| az ej20 fan | 01-28-2004 02:42 AM |
Heel & Toe downshift video?
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I am looking to see if anyone has a heel & toe downshift video where the instructor talks you through it. I was looking at the Gary Sheehan Footbox vid and I have read the Skip Barber's "Going Faster"...I would just like to see it done in real time with someone "talking me through". Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Dan
Thanks,
Dan
| supermarkus | 01-28-2004 02:53 AM |
[url]http://standardshift.com/videos.html[/url]
| az ej20 fan | 01-28-2004 02:57 AM |
Supermarkus: Thanks for the link...I'm sure you are helping more than just me with this. Hopefully my downshifting will be smoother as a result of putting this technique together.
Thanks again,
Dan
Thanks again,
Dan
| supermarkus | 01-28-2004 03:00 AM |
You'll love the M5 in those vids, I know I want one now because of them.:devil:
| az ej20 fan | 01-28-2004 03:04 AM |
Thanks again...:) I don't have time to d/l tonight but I will do it 1st thing tomorrow. I got hooked on the M5 watching the "Star" video from BMW films...and just in general since they have 400hp.
| ITWRX4ME | 01-28-2004 08:25 AM |
Don't bother with #11, Heel and Toe, Part 1 - A discussion of the technique.
It's useless.
It's useless.
| johnfelstead | 01-28-2004 06:47 PM |
Gary's Video isnt heal and toe technique per se, it's double declutching which is twice the effort, and something i havnt seen done for a long time on a modern transmition system.
Why do you need to do that Gary? It looks like a lot of work. Do you have issues if you dont double declutch?
Why do you need to do that Gary? It looks like a lot of work. Do you have issues if you dont double declutch?
| az ej20 fan | 01-28-2004 07:18 PM |
John: Loved you 'Ring footage...Is your video almost done? Do you have any vids that show the footbox in your Ring vids? Haven't had a chance to d/l them all yet.
| pio!pio! | 01-28-2004 07:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Gary's Video isnt heal and toe technique per se, it's double declutching which is twice the effort, and something i havnt seen done for a long time on a modern transmition system.
Why do you need to do that Gary? It looks like a lot of work. Do you have issues if you dont double declutch? [/B][/QUOTE]
Probably out of habit (ie learned to race/drive that way)
OTOH the 5spd is notoriously weak correct? So maybe double clutching can extend the life of the tranny in a race season
[B]Gary's Video isnt heal and toe technique per se, it's double declutching which is twice the effort, and something i havnt seen done for a long time on a modern transmition system.
Why do you need to do that Gary? It looks like a lot of work. Do you have issues if you dont double declutch? [/B][/QUOTE]
Probably out of habit (ie learned to race/drive that way)
OTOH the 5spd is notoriously weak correct? So maybe double clutching can extend the life of the tranny in a race season
| Rally Performance | 01-28-2004 08:09 PM |
Also...
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Also check out some of the driving tips on [url]www.wrxrally.com;[/url] we wrote a few of those as basic "walk throughs" and orientation to things like heel and toe, and double clutching.
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance
| GarySheehan | 01-28-2004 11:12 PM |
The video is both heel-toe braking as well as double-clutching.
My first 5 years of racing were using Hewland racing gearboxes. I learned both double-clutch and non-clutch shifting.
It's just something I do. I'm not even aware of it.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
My first 5 years of racing were using Hewland racing gearboxes. I learned both double-clutch and non-clutch shifting.
It's just something I do. I'm not even aware of it.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| johnfelstead | 01-29-2004 08:29 AM |
Thanks Gary, i was curious about that one. :D
All being well the Video will be finished next weekend, i have a 2 day session in the studio booked that should complete it. *crosses fingers*
I havnt videoed the footbox at the ring. I am at Oulton Park on Saturday so if posible i'll do a little bit of footage there. Not sure i will have time as the main aim of the day is to setup a tarmac rally car.
All being well the Video will be finished next weekend, i have a 2 day session in the studio booked that should complete it. *crosses fingers*
I havnt videoed the footbox at the ring. I am at Oulton Park on Saturday so if posible i'll do a little bit of footage there. Not sure i will have time as the main aim of the day is to setup a tarmac rally car.
| az ej20 fan | 01-29-2004 02:20 PM |
John,
Good luck finishing the vid. Are you going to be distributing it through a US vendor or will we go to you directly?
Dan
Good luck finishing the vid. Are you going to be distributing it through a US vendor or will we go to you directly?
Dan
| AndyRoo | 01-29-2004 03:03 PM |
thanks for the tips
| johnfelstead | 01-29-2004 08:35 PM |
I'll be doing this via Jamie so that it keeps shipping costs down and speeds up supply. If its sucessful it would be nice to have it in a few subaru/race specialists.
What i will do once completed is put up a few short clips giving you a feel for it, then have an email address you can contact showing your interest. That way i can guage the demand for NTSC and get the first batch made. The aim is to keep the costs under control, especially as the US $ is in pretty bad shape right now.
I am not sure how many of these are going to sell, so will need to guage that, cost will be affected by that purely because of reproduction fees being designed around lower costs for more copies.
Hope you guys like it. :eek:
Sorry for the OT. :)
What i will do once completed is put up a few short clips giving you a feel for it, then have an email address you can contact showing your interest. That way i can guage the demand for NTSC and get the first batch made. The aim is to keep the costs under control, especially as the US $ is in pretty bad shape right now.
I am not sure how many of these are going to sell, so will need to guage that, cost will be affected by that purely because of reproduction fees being designed around lower costs for more copies.
Hope you guys like it. :eek:
Sorry for the OT. :)
| az ej20 fan | 01-29-2004 08:49 PM |
John,
Glad to see the vid is almost done...you can sign me up for a copy when it's finished.
If you haven't see his vids before check out:
[url]http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/videos.htm[/url]
BTW, nice to see that EVO selected the STi Spec C Greatest Real-World drivers' car.
(Sorry for the OT as well....of course I started the thread... :)
Glad to see the vid is almost done...you can sign me up for a copy when it's finished.
If you haven't see his vids before check out:
[url]http://www.johnfelstead.co.uk/videos/videos.htm[/url]
BTW, nice to see that EVO selected the STi Spec C Greatest Real-World drivers' car.
(Sorry for the OT as well....of course I started the thread... :)
| drees | 01-30-2004 03:24 AM |
I'm not impressed by the driving by the M3 guy. If you try to upshift as fast as him in a WRX, you'll strip your gears and get lots of clunking! He is definitely NOT smooth, watch how violently his keys swing back and forth when he shifts. And don't pay any attention to how he uses his hands on the steering wheel, or shifter, or the fact that he's exploring the limits of his M3 on public roads. Those poor cyclists! "Yee haw!" Enough ranting.
If you watch Gary Sheehan driving you'll immediately notice how smooth he is compared to M3 guy. Gary takes his time upshifting and doesn't force the tranny.
[url=http://www.teamsmr.com/html/videos.html]teamSMR Videos[/url]
The video you want showing off Gary's skills are the "2003 USTCC - Round 7 - Infineon Raceway" video.
Shiny side up,
-Dave
If you watch Gary Sheehan driving you'll immediately notice how smooth he is compared to M3 guy. Gary takes his time upshifting and doesn't force the tranny.
[url=http://www.teamsmr.com/html/videos.html]teamSMR Videos[/url]
The video you want showing off Gary's skills are the "2003 USTCC - Round 7 - Infineon Raceway" video.
Shiny side up,
-Dave
| az ej20 fan | 01-30-2004 03:51 PM |
I have to say that the standardshift.com vids were not a huge help. The guy just talks and you can't even see the footbox. What's up with the "yee-haw"? Guess I'll have towork from Gary's footbox vid and the Skip Barber book again...
| drees | 01-30-2004 04:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by az ej20 fan [/i]
[B]What's up with the "yee-haw"?[/B][/QUOTE] LOL, watch his last video and you'll see what I mean.
[B]What's up with the "yee-haw"?[/B][/QUOTE] LOL, watch his last video and you'll see what I mean.
| az ej20 fan | 01-30-2004 04:18 PM |
I know...that's what I was referring to...not to mention the guy seems to be doing this on a PUBLIC ROAD!! :eek:
| drees | 01-30-2004 04:46 PM |
LOL, just a misunderstanding then, thought you didn't know why I quoted him. "Yee haw!"
| johnfelstead | 01-30-2004 05:35 PM |
The guy is showing you nothing useful as he is doing a gear change and blipping the throttle at a set speed. Any idiot can do that. You only need to do this type of gear change on the brakes losing speed, and that takes a lot more dexterity and timing to combine the use of brakes, throttle, clutch, gear stick and steering wheel.
Yeeehaw indeed. :D
Yeeehaw indeed. :D
| GarySheehan | 01-30-2004 09:27 PM |
We're not using a lightened flywheel. It's the original stock flywheel that came with the car, as is the clutch. We are using a shorter final drive, though. Everything else in the transmission (other than diffs) is stock.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| drees | 01-30-2004 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GarySheehan [/i]
[B]We're not using a lightened flywheel. It's the original stock flywheel that came with the car, as is the clutch. We are using a shorter final drive, though. Everything else in the transmission (other than diffs) is stock.[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]I should have looked it up before guessing, thanks for correcting me. I'm impressed with your smooth your shifting is, it takes a lot of coordination to time those double-clutching down shifts! Have you guys considered a lightened flywheel to improve throttle response?
-Dave
[B]We're not using a lightened flywheel. It's the original stock flywheel that came with the car, as is the clutch. We are using a shorter final drive, though. Everything else in the transmission (other than diffs) is stock.[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]I should have looked it up before guessing, thanks for correcting me. I'm impressed with your smooth your shifting is, it takes a lot of coordination to time those double-clutching down shifts! Have you guys considered a lightened flywheel to improve throttle response?
-Dave
| GarySheehan | 01-31-2004 05:41 PM |
Lightening the flywheel is not legal for the class.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| az ej20 fan | 01-31-2004 06:12 PM |
Gary,
Thanks for your input...are you racing the same car this season?
Dan
Thanks for your input...are you racing the same car this season?
Dan
| aspera | 02-01-2004 12:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]The guy is showing you nothing useful as he is doing a gear change and blipping the throttle at a set speed. Any idiot can do that. You only need to do this type of gear change on the brakes losing speed, and that takes a lot more dexterity and timing to combine the use of brakes, throttle, clutch, gear stick and steering wheel.
Yeeehaw indeed. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I just watched the Round 7 video. Gary can dance! He's kicking the pedals like crazy and all I see is the shadows moving around and loud tire squeals.:lol:
[B]The guy is showing you nothing useful as he is doing a gear change and blipping the throttle at a set speed. Any idiot can do that. You only need to do this type of gear change on the brakes losing speed, and that takes a lot more dexterity and timing to combine the use of brakes, throttle, clutch, gear stick and steering wheel.
Yeeehaw indeed. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I just watched the Round 7 video. Gary can dance! He's kicking the pedals like crazy and all I see is the shadows moving around and loud tire squeals.:lol:
| johnfelstead | 02-01-2004 12:57 PM |
the guy i am refering to is the muppet in the BMW, just incase that isnt clear. :o:D
| az ej20 fan | 02-01-2004 05:28 PM |
After watching almost all of the vids from standardshift.com (and it was painful...sorry Supermarkus) I think that most of us could do a better job. No view of the footbox, public road, etc. John's and Gary's vids are light years ahead of the guy in the BMW. Too bad they can't instruct while flying around the track. :)
John...just downloaded the doormirror vid ("Notzing Else Matters"...German remake of Metallica? Very cool!!)
John...just downloaded the doormirror vid ("Notzing Else Matters"...German remake of Metallica? Very cool!!)
| aspera | 02-01-2004 06:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]the guy i am refering to is the muppet in the BMW, just incase that isnt clear. :o:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I just quoted you because of the way you mentioned doing everything all at once. Gary's video showed exactly that. He kicks the clutch a couple of times while he heel and toes AND he shifts AND steers. Basically, he uses all of the controls at the same time while obviously braking, cornering, and accelerating hard. The moving shadows and squealing tires are the evidence.
I can do all of those things....just not at the same time. :p
[B]the guy i am refering to is the muppet in the BMW, just incase that isnt clear. :o:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I just quoted you because of the way you mentioned doing everything all at once. Gary's video showed exactly that. He kicks the clutch a couple of times while he heel and toes AND he shifts AND steers. Basically, he uses all of the controls at the same time while obviously braking, cornering, and accelerating hard. The moving shadows and squealing tires are the evidence.
I can do all of those things....just not at the same time. :p
| johnfelstead | 02-01-2004 10:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by az ej20 fan [/i]
[B]John...just downloaded the doormirror vid ("Notzing Else Matters"...German remake of Metallica? Very cool!!) [/B][/QUOTE]
Glad you like the Video, the music is by a Belgium friend of mine. It's kindoff spooky. :D
[B]John...just downloaded the doormirror vid ("Notzing Else Matters"...German remake of Metallica? Very cool!!) [/B][/QUOTE]
Glad you like the Video, the music is by a Belgium friend of mine. It's kindoff spooky. :D
| RichQY | 02-05-2004 05:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GarySheehan [/i]
[B]The video is both heel-toe braking as well as double-clutching.
My first 5 years of racing were using Hewland racing gearboxes. I learned both double-clutch and non-clutch shifting.
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Gary.. your videos are awesome..
i ve heard about H&T and double clutching at the same time but never seen a footage of it..
how does non clutch shifting work?
i think there was a single non clutch shift in that foot cam video, correct?
will it be in your DVD?
thanks a lot
[B]The video is both heel-toe braking as well as double-clutching.
My first 5 years of racing were using Hewland racing gearboxes. I learned both double-clutch and non-clutch shifting.
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Gary.. your videos are awesome..
i ve heard about H&T and double clutching at the same time but never seen a footage of it..
how does non clutch shifting work?
i think there was a single non clutch shift in that foot cam video, correct?
will it be in your DVD?
thanks a lot
| GarySheehan | 02-05-2004 01:29 PM |
Non-clutch shifting is just that. With a racing gearbox, there are no synchro's in the way, so if you match revs, the gear just snicks right into place.
So you only use the clutch to get the car rolling. After that, you forget about the clutch. Left foot for brake, right foot for gas.
Shifting without the clutch on these gearboxes was probably good for a 1/10th of a second or two per lap.
There were no clutchless shifts in the footbox video. Clutchless shifts in a synchro gearbox are too slow and inconsistent. The engine doesn't drop revs quickly enough to make it feasible.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
So you only use the clutch to get the car rolling. After that, you forget about the clutch. Left foot for brake, right foot for gas.
Shifting without the clutch on these gearboxes was probably good for a 1/10th of a second or two per lap.
There were no clutchless shifts in the footbox video. Clutchless shifts in a synchro gearbox are too slow and inconsistent. The engine doesn't drop revs quickly enough to make it feasible.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
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