| KillerRex | 02-27-2002 02:59 AM |
How come the sedan doesn't have fold down seats?!
How come the WRX sedan doesn't have the ability to fold down the rear seats like the wagons do?!! I so would have bought a sedan, if it weren't for that annoying fact! Plus the sedan's trunk is so small and useless. How come on Hondas you can fold down the seats on all of them?! Why not Subarus?! Seems like something they need to change in the future. But is it possible to swap the seats out of a wagon and transplant them into the sedan? :confused:
| wolf8314 | 02-27-2002 03:34 AM |
ummmmm i dont know what to make of this thread???? The trunk isnt small.....you should have known this before you bought one you know......:rolleyes: :confused: :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:
Wolf
Wolf
| Kostamojen | 02-27-2002 03:34 AM |
Cause Honda values stuff like that over structural integrety of the car.
Go look at Audi, BMW, etc. they dont have it either. And the IS300, A4, and 3-series all have SMALLER trunks than the WRX.
So stop your barking and trade in your car for a Honda!
Go look at Audi, BMW, etc. they dont have it either. And the IS300, A4, and 3-series all have SMALLER trunks than the WRX.
So stop your barking and trade in your car for a Honda!
| KillerRex | 02-27-2002 04:14 AM |
I have the wagon. I'm not really "barking", just asking a simple question. Don't flame me because I used the word "Honda" in the same sentence with "Subaru". Also, who says BMW doesn't make cars with fold down rear seats??! I guess the E36 M3's don't count do they? I guess the M3 and Integra Type-R aren't as "solid" as a WRX because they have fold down rear seats. [IMG]http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emhammer.gif[/IMG] :rolleyes:
| GDA | 02-27-2002 04:41 AM |
i think killerex has a valid point.
That is really the only complaint i have about the my wrx sedan, i mean obviously it wasnt something that would stop me from buying it, but it would have seemed a worthwhile and logical effort for subaru who belives in function to have this small feature.
plus it would help me with my mobile gigs when i carry equipment to parties.
seemed like subaru was even more focused on labeling the whole child seats over something simple as split fold down seats.
i guess i appreciate subarus 1/2 arse attempt by offering the small ski pass thru.
still love the crap out of the car,
EJ20WRX
That is really the only complaint i have about the my wrx sedan, i mean obviously it wasnt something that would stop me from buying it, but it would have seemed a worthwhile and logical effort for subaru who belives in function to have this small feature.
plus it would help me with my mobile gigs when i carry equipment to parties.
seemed like subaru was even more focused on labeling the whole child seats over something simple as split fold down seats.
i guess i appreciate subarus 1/2 arse attempt by offering the small ski pass thru.
still love the crap out of the car,
EJ20WRX
| Frederf | 02-27-2002 05:32 AM |
Well, it's obvious that Subaru thought about putting fold down seats in the sedan (they couldn't have done it for the wagon and not thought maybe it should go on the sedan too).
Perhaps there's some reasons why they didnt:
(Just speculation)
1. Expense (probably not huge)
2. Structural rigity (maybe the panel between the trunk and the rear seats is structural)
3. Thickness of the mechanism restricting rear passenger legroom? (reaching on this one)
I'd probably guess #2
Perhaps there's some reasons why they didnt:
(Just speculation)
1. Expense (probably not huge)
2. Structural rigity (maybe the panel between the trunk and the rear seats is structural)
3. Thickness of the mechanism restricting rear passenger legroom? (reaching on this one)
I'd probably guess #2
| Rebellion | 02-27-2002 09:41 AM |
M3 + ITR are both coupes... don't know if this matters as far as a fold down seat... but I thought it might for comparison purposes... IS300 is a sedan... A4 is... etc etc.
| Julian | 02-27-2002 10:21 AM |
ITR is a hatchback. Probably all hatches have fold down rear seats.
KillerRex, no one cares that you used Subaru and Honda in the same sentence. But your first post and subject line seemed to indicate you were pissed off at something like not having fold down rear seats in the sedan. Then you say you have a wagon, and have fold down rear seats. So, you are pissed that a car you don't own doesn't have fold down rear seats?
Anyway, that, along with many other minor skimps here and there are what allows Subaru to bring a car like the WRX to market for the price that it does. Would you rather have RS seats? Or Euro WRX power?
KillerRex, no one cares that you used Subaru and Honda in the same sentence. But your first post and subject line seemed to indicate you were pissed off at something like not having fold down rear seats in the sedan. Then you say you have a wagon, and have fold down rear seats. So, you are pissed that a car you don't own doesn't have fold down rear seats?
Anyway, that, along with many other minor skimps here and there are what allows Subaru to bring a car like the WRX to market for the price that it does. Would you rather have RS seats? Or Euro WRX power?
| SlideWRX | 02-27-2002 01:19 PM |
I had the rear seat out of my WRX sedan this last weekend, and noticed the child tether attachments. There are two struts running from the child tethers on the bottom, up to the rear shelf - these look like the the only thing in the way for subaru to to put in fold down seats.
My question is, does the wagon have the same child tethers? if they do, it might be that the cost to put the tethers in the seat was a lot higher than putting it on the rear shelf, so for the sedans they did it the easy way.
My question is, does the wagon have the same child tethers? if they do, it might be that the cost to put the tethers in the seat was a lot higher than putting it on the rear shelf, so for the sedans they did it the easy way.
| topcover | 02-27-2002 01:54 PM |
Quick question... does the GC8 have fold down seats?
| Herbie | 02-27-2002 02:26 PM |
[QUOTE]Quick question... does the GC8 have fold down seats?[/QUOTE]
Newer ones DO NOT, but some of the older coupes and sedans here in the US DID have fold down seats. (Same in JDM, some do, some don't).
Mainly I think it was a cost issue since the folding rear seats were eliminated at the same time as the trunk light, etc. when Subaru went to an all-AWD lineup (i.e. when the FWDs were dropped)
Newer ones DO NOT, but some of the older coupes and sedans here in the US DID have fold down seats. (Same in JDM, some do, some don't).
Mainly I think it was a cost issue since the folding rear seats were eliminated at the same time as the trunk light, etc. when Subaru went to an all-AWD lineup (i.e. when the FWDs were dropped)
| subarumantoo | 02-27-2002 02:53 PM |
The very idea of not making the rear seat fold is ridiculous. Bad move Subaru...
| Zahnster | 02-27-2002 03:02 PM |
The best excuse someone has ever suggested:
To guranttee the wagon was economically viable.
To guranttee the wagon was economically viable.
| Hazdaz | 02-27-2002 03:15 PM |
KILLERREX has a totaly valid point. I bitched and complained about it too right before I bought my Sedan.
And then there is the usual B.S. about structural integrity and all that jive. Bull - the main point is its not there because of cost-cutting reasons. IF ya haven't noticed, there are quite a few other cust cutting measures on our WRX's... stuff like REALLY cheap sun-visors, or no heated mirrors, and many others. And for the most part, I don't care that much about the other cost-cutting issues that Subaru used to keep the price down (and I thank them for keepin it well below $25K). BUT the folding rear seat SHOULD have been an option. I would have been willing to drop a couple of hundred bux for a folding rear seat - and I think quite a few people would have too.
On the structural side, its total bull that it would have weaked it. The Wagon has them- and if anything, the wagon is open back there, thus creating an even less solid structure. Also, if they can make a convertible with ALMOST the same structural integrity as a sedan, I think they could have added some bracing either above or below the opening to compensate. In other words, it NOT a structural issue - its a cost cutting one. And a poor choice at that.
ANYWAYS... for anyone that would like to have folding seating in the sedan, I plan on checking it out and possibly jerry-rigging a folding seat for mine if its possible. If you want, I'll give you guys an update - but I won;t be able to look at it till spring time comes (if anyone wants to help, let me know).
And then there is the usual B.S. about structural integrity and all that jive. Bull - the main point is its not there because of cost-cutting reasons. IF ya haven't noticed, there are quite a few other cust cutting measures on our WRX's... stuff like REALLY cheap sun-visors, or no heated mirrors, and many others. And for the most part, I don't care that much about the other cost-cutting issues that Subaru used to keep the price down (and I thank them for keepin it well below $25K). BUT the folding rear seat SHOULD have been an option. I would have been willing to drop a couple of hundred bux for a folding rear seat - and I think quite a few people would have too.
On the structural side, its total bull that it would have weaked it. The Wagon has them- and if anything, the wagon is open back there, thus creating an even less solid structure. Also, if they can make a convertible with ALMOST the same structural integrity as a sedan, I think they could have added some bracing either above or below the opening to compensate. In other words, it NOT a structural issue - its a cost cutting one. And a poor choice at that.
ANYWAYS... for anyone that would like to have folding seating in the sedan, I plan on checking it out and possibly jerry-rigging a folding seat for mine if its possible. If you want, I'll give you guys an update - but I won;t be able to look at it till spring time comes (if anyone wants to help, let me know).
| Frederf | 02-27-2002 05:39 PM |
Hard to believe it costs that much for the fold down seats. Keep us apprised of any success with adding them
| Sweder21 | 02-27-2002 06:13 PM |
HEHE
Just do what I did, introduce your chainsaw to the rear seats. "Mr. Rear Seats, this is Mr. Chainsaw, Mr. Chainsaw this is Mr. Rear Seats." Problem solved. ;)
| KillerRex | 02-27-2002 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebellion [/i]
[B]M3 + ITR are both coupes... don't know if this matters as far as a fold down seat... but I thought it might for comparison purposes... IS300 is a sedan... A4 is... etc etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even the 4 door M3 sedans have fold down seats. And in Japan, the ITR came in a sedan also. Even the Skyline GT-R sedans have seats that can fold down.
I'm just hoping Subaru is aware of all the people who need the extra cargo space, maybe they'll change the design in the future. I for one, would love to trade in my wagon for an STi sedan...just wish it was a little bit more practical, that's all. :)
[B]M3 + ITR are both coupes... don't know if this matters as far as a fold down seat... but I thought it might for comparison purposes... IS300 is a sedan... A4 is... etc etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
Even the 4 door M3 sedans have fold down seats. And in Japan, the ITR came in a sedan also. Even the Skyline GT-R sedans have seats that can fold down.
I'm just hoping Subaru is aware of all the people who need the extra cargo space, maybe they'll change the design in the future. I for one, would love to trade in my wagon for an STi sedan...just wish it was a little bit more practical, that's all. :)
| Spooled | 02-27-2002 06:52 PM |
Are you kidding me? The trunk-space in the WRX is NOT small!!! It's more than big enough, and if you think it isn't big enough and that factor FORCED you to get the wagon, you mite as well trade in your car for something w/ a bigger trunk and fold-down seats. Cuz you see, when I got my car, I wasn't thinking about passengers (screw them in every area except for safety). Fold-down seats is the last thing I'd consider. But that's my opinion.
| kgb | 02-27-2002 07:08 PM |
I have been reading this thread, and one thing is missing: snowboards! I know you can buy a rack and stick you snowboard up top, but having the seats fold down would solve the problem just as well with less money. I would have to say it's cost cutting measure on Subaru 's part, and I think they should have at least offered it as an option. :(
| Spooled | 02-27-2002 07:25 PM |
Doesn't the pass-through solve that?
| Hazdaz | 02-27-2002 07:47 PM |
Ya can't fit a Mt. Bike thru that pass-thru, thats for damn sure.
In my old car I could easily fit 2 bikes back there with the seat folded. FINE, this is a little smaller car - I could understand that I couldn't fit TWO bikes, but without a folding seat, I can't fit ANY. And sure sure, someones got a "Great" answer of why not get a bike rack. Not as secure. And for stuff other than a bike, I couldn't use the rack - a folding seat, however i COULD. Some of the boxes for work that I might have been able to fit in my old car can't even come close to fitting in this new one cuz the seat doesn't fold.
Also, SPOOLED mentioned that the trunk in the WRX is not small. Well, even for cars that are smaller/same-size as it, such as the Corolla, Civic, Sentra and Focus, the WRX has a smaller trunk by about 10 to 20%. And really, the size of the trunk would be a moot point for me if the seat folded, cuz then there would be tons of usable space.
Anyways, I hope someone can answer me this:
Why is it that no one can say ANYTHING "bad" about this car? If you do, you immediately have people that say "oh, then you shouldn't have bought this car, go sell it and buy another"... or some other lame excuse. SURE, the car is cool... I like it (alot), I think we all like the car, but geez, its not the bestest car ever built. How the heck is the next generation WRX going to be better if people don't vent alittle with their frustrations, and complain a little about some things that they see as incorrect????
In my old car I could easily fit 2 bikes back there with the seat folded. FINE, this is a little smaller car - I could understand that I couldn't fit TWO bikes, but without a folding seat, I can't fit ANY. And sure sure, someones got a "Great" answer of why not get a bike rack. Not as secure. And for stuff other than a bike, I couldn't use the rack - a folding seat, however i COULD. Some of the boxes for work that I might have been able to fit in my old car can't even come close to fitting in this new one cuz the seat doesn't fold.
Also, SPOOLED mentioned that the trunk in the WRX is not small. Well, even for cars that are smaller/same-size as it, such as the Corolla, Civic, Sentra and Focus, the WRX has a smaller trunk by about 10 to 20%. And really, the size of the trunk would be a moot point for me if the seat folded, cuz then there would be tons of usable space.
Anyways, I hope someone can answer me this:
Why is it that no one can say ANYTHING "bad" about this car? If you do, you immediately have people that say "oh, then you shouldn't have bought this car, go sell it and buy another"... or some other lame excuse. SURE, the car is cool... I like it (alot), I think we all like the car, but geez, its not the bestest car ever built. How the heck is the next generation WRX going to be better if people don't vent alittle with their frustrations, and complain a little about some things that they see as incorrect????
| dubX1 | 02-27-2002 07:51 PM |
the pass through is to small for multiple boards. Four door jettas also have fold down seats to right. There is definately no reason the sedans shouldn't have fold downs. I agree com[pletely w/ Hazdaz
| Dolphin Overton | 02-27-2002 07:54 PM |
I would like a fold down 60/40 rear seat also. Structural integrity has absolutely noyjing to do with it. Hav you ever taken out your rear seat. It's not exactly an aluminium rollcage, it's a peice of foam.
| korpse | 02-27-2002 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hazdaz [/i]
[B]Ya can't fit a Mt. Bike thru that pass-thru, thats for damn sure.
In my old car I could easily fit 2 bikes back there with the seat folded. FINE, this is a little smaller car - I could understand that I couldn't fit TWO bikes, but without a folding seat, I can't fit ANY. And sure sure, someones got a "Great" answer of why not get a bike rack. Not as secure. And for stuff other than a bike, I couldn't use the rack - a folding seat, however i COULD. Some of the boxes for work that I might have been able to fit in my old car can't even come close to fitting in this new one cuz the seat doesn't fold.
Also, SPOOLED mentioned that the trunk in the WRX is not small. Well, even for cars that are smaller/same-size as it, such as the Corolla, Civic, Sentra and Focus, the WRX has a smaller trunk by about 10 to 20%. And really, the size of the trunk would be a moot point for me if the seat folded, cuz then there would be tons of usable space.
Anyways, I hope someone can answer me this:
Why is it that no one can say ANYTHING "bad" about this car? If you do, you immediately have people that say "oh, then you shouldn't have bought this car, go sell it and buy another"... or some other lame excuse. SURE, the car is cool... I like it (alot), I think we all like the car, but geez, its not the bestest car ever built. How the heck is the next generation WRX going to be better if people don't vent alittle with their frustrations, and complain a little about some things that they see as incorrect???? [/B][/QUOTE]
well said!
[B]Ya can't fit a Mt. Bike thru that pass-thru, thats for damn sure.
In my old car I could easily fit 2 bikes back there with the seat folded. FINE, this is a little smaller car - I could understand that I couldn't fit TWO bikes, but without a folding seat, I can't fit ANY. And sure sure, someones got a "Great" answer of why not get a bike rack. Not as secure. And for stuff other than a bike, I couldn't use the rack - a folding seat, however i COULD. Some of the boxes for work that I might have been able to fit in my old car can't even come close to fitting in this new one cuz the seat doesn't fold.
Also, SPOOLED mentioned that the trunk in the WRX is not small. Well, even for cars that are smaller/same-size as it, such as the Corolla, Civic, Sentra and Focus, the WRX has a smaller trunk by about 10 to 20%. And really, the size of the trunk would be a moot point for me if the seat folded, cuz then there would be tons of usable space.
Anyways, I hope someone can answer me this:
Why is it that no one can say ANYTHING "bad" about this car? If you do, you immediately have people that say "oh, then you shouldn't have bought this car, go sell it and buy another"... or some other lame excuse. SURE, the car is cool... I like it (alot), I think we all like the car, but geez, its not the bestest car ever built. How the heck is the next generation WRX going to be better if people don't vent alittle with their frustrations, and complain a little about some things that they see as incorrect???? [/B][/QUOTE]
well said!
| Cliff Ditchhanger | 02-27-2002 08:05 PM |
My GC8 has fold down rear seats...:D
| Cofusion | 02-27-2002 11:30 PM |
MY 99 RS back seats don't fold down either.
| moogooob | 02-27-2002 11:43 PM |
my gc8 does not have fold down seats. I just thought that had something to do with the leather package. I would like to have em fold down though.
| Jsunn | 02-27-2002 11:46 PM |
hummm......
My honda had folding rear seats......
Then I sold it and bought a WRX!! :lol:
-J
Then I sold it and bought a WRX!! :lol:
-J
| jrotten | 02-28-2002 12:09 AM |
The Jetta I had before the WRX had a HUGE trunk compared to the WRX, especially when you consider the cars are virtually the same size. Once when caravaning to the east coast, my brother's car broke down. He abandoned the POS and we put all his stuff in my Jetta (the seats folded too). We managed to get 3 bankers boxes, 2 huge carryall bags, 2 or 3 smaller bags, 1 book box size box, a laptop, a printer, a large plastic tub and TWO MOUNTAIN BIKES (wheels off) and a bunch of other smaller stuff in that poor car. Of course it was stacked to the ceiling and I had a bike fork in my ear, but we got it all in there. However, I knew the WRX would never match that kind of capacity, and bought the car with my eyes wide open. And, besides, I won't have to bail my skinflint brother out next time he buys a car WAY cheaper than he can afford. Ha.
| zabutter | 02-28-2002 12:40 AM |
I love wagons but if the rex had fold down seats, I would have bought one. Why they don't, IDK
| White02WRX | 02-28-2002 01:01 AM |
just to add something real quick, if the cost weren't overly great to put them into the wagon without to much of a price diff. then why aren't they in the sedan? i mean they already have seats made for the wagon for putting them in the sedan from the factory couldn't be that hard.
later
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later
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| well_armed | 02-28-2002 01:25 AM |
All the new subaru sedan's I believe do not have fold-down rear seats, I think it is totally a marketing ploy to put you in a wagon model.
| Kostamojen | 02-28-2002 03:33 AM |
bark bark bark. Theres still tons of cars without this option on the market, stop picking on subaru like they are the only ones!
Sure, I would like 60/40 split seats just as much as anyone, but you folks need to pull out a non-fold down seat, and then pull out a fold down seat, and compair them to know whats going on with the design requirements between the two. And no, the wagon 60/40 seats cant just pop in like some sort of simple erector set piece, sheesh! :rolleyes:
Sure, I would like 60/40 split seats just as much as anyone, but you folks need to pull out a non-fold down seat, and then pull out a fold down seat, and compair them to know whats going on with the design requirements between the two. And no, the wagon 60/40 seats cant just pop in like some sort of simple erector set piece, sheesh! :rolleyes:
| Brady | 02-28-2002 12:05 PM |
I *THINK* that the reason for a lack of folding seats has something to do with the 3rd shoulder belt for center passengers in sedans. they use a different design in the wagons, so maybe the engineers thought one was more practical/feasible in one or the other. I don't really know. As for the child anchors, all new subies have those anchors. it is going to be one of those laws that all manufacturers will have to comply with or something, and the sedan still has the tethers on the deck too. as far as i've noticed, no subaru sedans have the fold down seats. i'll ask at work today if anyone knows why.
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