| bliu | 10-19-2001 10:40 AM |
Rally de Corse
not sure who 'watches' the rallies live on such sites as [URL=http://www.rally-live.com]Rally-Live[/URL] , but it's on hold currently, due to makinen's big off on SS5. it seems he had a big wreck, his co-driver was airlifted to a hospital, and the officials are deciding what to do with SS5 times for the rest of the field. not to be a poor sport, but that leaves only mcrae and gronholm for burns to catch on this rally ... more news available at [URL=http://www.worldrallynews.com]World Rally News[/URL] , too. seems the tarmac ringers are out for blood again, with puras taking wins on SS2,3 and panizzi taking wins on SS1,4.
| 10th Warrior | 10-19-2001 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE]Having hit the rails surrounding the road the four-time
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire.[/QUOTE]
geez, it sounds like a cartoon almost. they say the co-driver was just taken to the hospital for an overview and that its nothing serious. lets hope not anyway. they canceled the stage.
on a better note, after ss4, solberg is in 5th, the highest ranked non-frog car. of course, burns is sandbagging back in 14th. hell, even martin is in 7th. where's the speed burns? mcrae is in 12th, btw.
all i can say is:
GO JESUS!!!! :D
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire.[/QUOTE]
geez, it sounds like a cartoon almost. they say the co-driver was just taken to the hospital for an overview and that its nothing serious. lets hope not anyway. they canceled the stage.
on a better note, after ss4, solberg is in 5th, the highest ranked non-frog car. of course, burns is sandbagging back in 14th. hell, even martin is in 7th. where's the speed burns? mcrae is in 12th, btw.
all i can say is:
GO JESUS!!!! :D
| Shik | 10-19-2001 12:26 PM |
At the moment, a golden oportunity for Burns. Hopefully he gets things going and keeps the car together(what's left of it). Any points will be good ones as Burns will have a good shot at the remaining rallies.
Seems both Tommi and Freddy are having major problems again with the Lancer WRC. Makes you wonder if the new car had more then a little bit to do with Tommi's departure( probably still way too early to make judgements about it though). Hope all is well with Risto :(
Hopefully Prodrive signs Petter to a 20 year contract the next time around :lol:
Seems both Tommi and Freddy are having major problems again with the Lancer WRC. Makes you wonder if the new car had more then a little bit to do with Tommi's departure( probably still way too early to make judgements about it though). Hope all is well with Risto :(
Hopefully Prodrive signs Petter to a 20 year contract the next time around :lol:
| 10th Warrior | 10-19-2001 12:30 PM |
with makinen and sainz out of it already, it leaves a great oppurtunity for either burns or mcrae. they both have managed to stop and smell the daisies all the while damaging there cars :rolleyes: they are within 2 seconds of each other, but they are both over 2 minutes back already. we shall see.
| Thug | 10-19-2001 01:06 PM |
I think McRae probably has a better chance of winning this one seeing as the Ford has the short wheelbase. But honestly, I dont think either of them is gonna win. Id say look for one of the Peugeots to finish atop the list. Delecour perhaps?
| grimlock | 10-19-2001 01:54 PM |
Well, one thing's for sure. Francois will be on "maximum attack."
GOOOOO PETTER!
GOOOOO PETTER!
| 10th Warrior | 10-19-2001 03:31 PM |
i don't think delecour has the speed. my money is still on jesus puras, and if not him, then panizzi, who is the tarmac specialist for puegot.
| Thug | 10-19-2001 03:33 PM |
Yeah, Delecour appears to be a decent ways back in this rally. Odd because he was always one of the fastest on tarmac.
| Subie Gal | 10-19-2001 03:38 PM |
keep your eyes on Burns and McCrash...
likely they'll be moving up the overall list... quickly...
j.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
likely they'll be moving up the overall list... quickly...
j.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| bbbradley | 10-19-2001 03:45 PM |
Something doesn't make sense to me... One reports says the car "hit the rails surrounding the road the four-time
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire." But it also says "Co-driver Risto Mannisenmaki however elected to remain in the car, awaiting assistance from the medical team before being helped from the car with back pains." So, either Risto is fireproof or one of the reports is wrong (or good ol Tommi is handy with the fire extinguisher, but he never makes mentioin of it...)
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
/bill
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire." But it also says "Co-driver Risto Mannisenmaki however elected to remain in the car, awaiting assistance from the medical team before being helped from the car with back pains." So, either Risto is fireproof or one of the reports is wrong (or good ol Tommi is handy with the fire extinguisher, but he never makes mentioin of it...)
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
/bill
| johnfelstead | 10-19-2001 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]I think McRae probably has a better chance of winning this one seeing as the Ford has the short wheelbase. But honestly, I dont think either of them is gonna win. Id say look for one of the Peugeots to finish atop the list. Delecour perhaps? [/B][/QUOTE]
Looks can be deceptive!!
Wheelbase shortest first.
Peugeot 2.468m
Hyundai 2.475m
Mitsubishi 2.510m
Skoda 2.512m
Subaru 2.520m
Citroen 2.555m
Ford 2.635m
The ford is the longest wheelbase which is one reason why its not too competitive on events like corsica and san remo.
[B]I think McRae probably has a better chance of winning this one seeing as the Ford has the short wheelbase. But honestly, I dont think either of them is gonna win. Id say look for one of the Peugeots to finish atop the list. Delecour perhaps? [/B][/QUOTE]
Looks can be deceptive!!
Wheelbase shortest first.
Peugeot 2.468m
Hyundai 2.475m
Mitsubishi 2.510m
Skoda 2.512m
Subaru 2.520m
Citroen 2.555m
Ford 2.635m
The ford is the longest wheelbase which is one reason why its not too competitive on events like corsica and san remo.
| johnfelstead | 10-19-2001 03:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bbbradley [/i]
[B]Something doesn't make sense to me... One reports says the car "hit the rails surrounding the road the four-time
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire." But it also says "Co-driver Risto Mannisenmaki however elected to remain in the car, awaiting assistance from the medical team before being helped from the car with back pains." So, either Risto is fireproof or one of the reports is wrong (or good ol Tommi is handy with the fire extinguisher, but he never makes mentioin of it...)
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
/bill [/B][/QUOTE]
I'll tell you in an hour as its on TV here soon. :D
[B]Something doesn't make sense to me... One reports says the car "hit the rails surrounding the road the four-time
world champions barrelled into a gorge before catching fire." But it also says "Co-driver Risto Mannisenmaki however elected to remain in the car, awaiting assistance from the medical team before being helped from the car with back pains." So, either Risto is fireproof or one of the reports is wrong (or good ol Tommi is handy with the fire extinguisher, but he never makes mentioin of it...)
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
/bill [/B][/QUOTE]
I'll tell you in an hour as its on TV here soon. :D
| 10th Warrior | 10-19-2001 04:02 PM |
here's a pic from rally-live of the accident.
:eek:
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/2001/photos/2001/corse/diapo_111.jpg[/IMG]
its amazing either of them is ok. geezzz...
:eek:
[IMG]http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/2001/photos/2001/corse/diapo_111.jpg[/IMG]
its amazing either of them is ok. geezzz...
| Thug | 10-19-2001 04:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
Looks can be deceptive!!
Wheelbase shortest first.
Peugeot 2.468m
Hyundai 2.475m
Mitsubishi 2.510m
Skoda 2.512m
Subaru 2.520m
Citroen 2.555m
Ford 2.635m
The ford is the longest wheelbase which is one reason why its not too competitive on events like corsica and san remo. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow, ive been had. :)
[B]
Looks can be deceptive!!
Wheelbase shortest first.
Peugeot 2.468m
Hyundai 2.475m
Mitsubishi 2.510m
Skoda 2.512m
Subaru 2.520m
Citroen 2.555m
Ford 2.635m
The ford is the longest wheelbase which is one reason why its not too competitive on events like corsica and san remo. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow, ive been had. :)
| Thug | 10-19-2001 04:45 PM |
That doesnt even look like Tommi's worst off though. Back in '97(i think) he hit a bull and went about 100km down a cliff.
| bliu | 10-19-2001 05:20 PM |
short wheelbase...
i'm wondering about the whole 'short wheelbase theory' - why is it that they say the short wheelbased cars have an advantage on the tarmac courses? or at least the -supposed- short wheelbased cars, such as peugeot and citroen? or is it just that those teams employ tarmac specialists? or perhaps does the fact that those cars are hatchbacks have anything to do with it?
(apologize for all the questions, but i don't think there's any point to hiding my newbie-ness here!:o )
any info is much appreciated. :)
(apologize for all the questions, but i don't think there's any point to hiding my newbie-ness here!:o )
any info is much appreciated. :)
| johnfelstead | 10-19-2001 05:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]That doesnt even look like Tommi's worst off though. Back in '97(i think) he hit a bull and went about 100km down a cliff. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow, thats what i call a drop. 100Km!!!!! ahahaha :lol:
Just watched the footage. Ouch!!!!!
the front wheel asembly was ripped from the car and lay in the road on fire.
That picture doesnt show it but the car is teetering on the edge of a 100 ft drop. The reason Risto didnt get extracted immediately was cos if they worked on the car it would have dropped off the edge! :eek:
They had to wait for a land rover with a tow rope to stabalise the car.
They airlifted him to hospital but both are OK, just sore backs. :)
Now to the rally. You can forget Colin, he is not a happy bunny, slagging the car on TV for being too slow. He isnt trying at all now, no way will he make the points.
Burns is trying, he will still need some luck to make up so much time. He is losing a golden oportunity now to score big, he misheard a pace not and stuffed the front in earlier, dropping a lot of time.
Scary rally, lots of nasty crashes. Arai ended up on his roof. Petter is driving well. He hit a mountain side when blinded by the sun but got away with it lightly.
Carlos's was weird. They hit a rock in the road, that got lodged under the sumpguard and they drove for a couple hundred yards with no steering hardly as the car sort of skidded along on this big mother of a rock. That damaged the sump and the engine expired.
I wonder whats gonna happen next? :lol:
[B]That doesnt even look like Tommi's worst off though. Back in '97(i think) he hit a bull and went about 100km down a cliff. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow, thats what i call a drop. 100Km!!!!! ahahaha :lol:
Just watched the footage. Ouch!!!!!
the front wheel asembly was ripped from the car and lay in the road on fire.
That picture doesnt show it but the car is teetering on the edge of a 100 ft drop. The reason Risto didnt get extracted immediately was cos if they worked on the car it would have dropped off the edge! :eek:
They had to wait for a land rover with a tow rope to stabalise the car.
They airlifted him to hospital but both are OK, just sore backs. :)
Now to the rally. You can forget Colin, he is not a happy bunny, slagging the car on TV for being too slow. He isnt trying at all now, no way will he make the points.
Burns is trying, he will still need some luck to make up so much time. He is losing a golden oportunity now to score big, he misheard a pace not and stuffed the front in earlier, dropping a lot of time.
Scary rally, lots of nasty crashes. Arai ended up on his roof. Petter is driving well. He hit a mountain side when blinded by the sun but got away with it lightly.
Carlos's was weird. They hit a rock in the road, that got lodged under the sumpguard and they drove for a couple hundred yards with no steering hardly as the car sort of skidded along on this big mother of a rock. That damaged the sump and the engine expired.
I wonder whats gonna happen next? :lol:
| johnfelstead | 10-19-2001 05:33 PM |
Re: short wheelbase...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bliu [/i]
[B]i'm wondering about the whole 'short wheelbase theory' - why is it that they say the short wheelbased cars have an advantage on the tarmac courses? or at least the -supposed- short wheelbased cars, such as peugeot and citroen? or is it just that those teams employ tarmac specialists? or perhaps does the fact that those cars are hatchbacks have anything to do with it?
(apologize for all the questions, but i don't think there's any point to hiding my newbie-ness here!:o )
any info is much appreciated. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Wheelbase isnt a tar/gravel issue so much as a change of direction issue.
The longer the wheelbase the more stable the car, however that makes it less agile to change of direction. If you want a car with great high speed stability you go long wheelbase. If you want max agility you go short wheelbase.
Corsica and san remo are very very tight roads with lots of tight corners, many flowing from one to the next. Thats perfect for short wheelbase, bad for long wheelbase.
On gravel you are better off with a more stable car as you can make it more unstable at will due to low grip levels but you dont want it twitching about constantly or your gona be bolloxed trying to control it.
Certain drivers also excell on diferent surfaces. The french in the main rally on tar. Brits and scandanavians rally on gravel at home.
Dont forget also, Citroen are concentrating on tar this year, they are not doing the full WRC so they should be exceptional on tarmac.
[B]i'm wondering about the whole 'short wheelbase theory' - why is it that they say the short wheelbased cars have an advantage on the tarmac courses? or at least the -supposed- short wheelbased cars, such as peugeot and citroen? or is it just that those teams employ tarmac specialists? or perhaps does the fact that those cars are hatchbacks have anything to do with it?
(apologize for all the questions, but i don't think there's any point to hiding my newbie-ness here!:o )
any info is much appreciated. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Wheelbase isnt a tar/gravel issue so much as a change of direction issue.
The longer the wheelbase the more stable the car, however that makes it less agile to change of direction. If you want a car with great high speed stability you go long wheelbase. If you want max agility you go short wheelbase.
Corsica and san remo are very very tight roads with lots of tight corners, many flowing from one to the next. Thats perfect for short wheelbase, bad for long wheelbase.
On gravel you are better off with a more stable car as you can make it more unstable at will due to low grip levels but you dont want it twitching about constantly or your gona be bolloxed trying to control it.
Certain drivers also excell on diferent surfaces. The french in the main rally on tar. Brits and scandanavians rally on gravel at home.
Dont forget also, Citroen are concentrating on tar this year, they are not doing the full WRC so they should be exceptional on tarmac.
| bliu | 10-19-2001 05:42 PM |
john-
the promptness of your replies is starting to scare me!:p
thanks as always for the willingness to educate a newbie ... i must admit i am a bit jealous of your 'instantaneous' coverage - instantaneous relative to our 2 week delay stuff. :mad:
...but you left out one of my questions ... heh. does the 'balance' of the hatchbacks make them handle differently than the sedans? i guess what i'm getting at is which affects the car's handling more - wheelbase or weight distribution (?). sorry if i'm sounding like i don't know -anything-, but perhaps it's not too far from the truth...:o
the promptness of your replies is starting to scare me!:p
thanks as always for the willingness to educate a newbie ... i must admit i am a bit jealous of your 'instantaneous' coverage - instantaneous relative to our 2 week delay stuff. :mad:
...but you left out one of my questions ... heh. does the 'balance' of the hatchbacks make them handle differently than the sedans? i guess what i'm getting at is which affects the car's handling more - wheelbase or weight distribution (?). sorry if i'm sounding like i don't know -anything-, but perhaps it's not too far from the truth...:o
| johnfelstead | 10-19-2001 06:26 PM |
Hatchback/saloon used to make more diference in GroupA and still does in some GroupN cars because the suspension layout is usually diferent in a hatch to a saloon with respect to damper angles. WRC cars have done away with that idiosincrecy.
Saloons used to have an advantage in torsional rigidity over hatches because of the rear bulkheads in a saloon but that isnt really an issue either now with the advances in cage design.
As to weight distribution. The main name of the game there is to keep the maximum weight posible within the wheelbase and have a small an amount of weight external to it. That aids change of direction in particular.
You also want a low centre of gravity. Hence the canted back engines and low down transmision systems. The Impreza has an inherently good design from the CofG perspective and gearbox positioning being a longitudinal engine.
The WRC cars are using very clever transmisions with the main gerbox now in a longitudinal position even when the engine is transverse.
I looked at building a Focus home built WRC car a couple of years ago using the running gear from our Escort Cosworth but the more i looked at the shell the more it didnt make sense. There is a huge amount of weight outside the wheelbase on that shell, especially up front due to the design of the chasis. It's very strong but jeez is it heavy. I can see why it took MSport so long to get the Focus competitive.
The new Impreza is the same phylosophy up front as the Focus. Its all to do with crash testing for the road cars. Subaru have done a great job to get the car up to speed so quickly i think because the shell is very diferent even though the running gear is similar.
Saloons used to have an advantage in torsional rigidity over hatches because of the rear bulkheads in a saloon but that isnt really an issue either now with the advances in cage design.
As to weight distribution. The main name of the game there is to keep the maximum weight posible within the wheelbase and have a small an amount of weight external to it. That aids change of direction in particular.
You also want a low centre of gravity. Hence the canted back engines and low down transmision systems. The Impreza has an inherently good design from the CofG perspective and gearbox positioning being a longitudinal engine.
The WRC cars are using very clever transmisions with the main gerbox now in a longitudinal position even when the engine is transverse.
I looked at building a Focus home built WRC car a couple of years ago using the running gear from our Escort Cosworth but the more i looked at the shell the more it didnt make sense. There is a huge amount of weight outside the wheelbase on that shell, especially up front due to the design of the chasis. It's very strong but jeez is it heavy. I can see why it took MSport so long to get the Focus competitive.
The new Impreza is the same phylosophy up front as the Focus. Its all to do with crash testing for the road cars. Subaru have done a great job to get the car up to speed so quickly i think because the shell is very diferent even though the running gear is similar.
| johnfelstead | 10-20-2001 10:51 AM |
End of dat 2!
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 2h47'24"700 91.3 km/h 1 1
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 2h47'48"200 + 00'23"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 2h48'14"600 + 00'49"90 3 3
4. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 2h50'03"100 + 02'38"40 4 4
5. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 2h50'47"300 + 03'22"60 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 2h51'05"100 + 03'40"40 6 6
7. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 2h51'43"900 + 04'19"20 7 7
8. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 2h52'49"300 + 05'24"60 8 8
9. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 2h52'59"300 + 05'34"60 9 9
10. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 2h53'25"000 + 06'00"30 10 10
11. 25 MOERTL-EICHHORN Subaru Impr A8 2h54'56"300 + 07'31"60 11 11
12. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 2h56'04"000 + 08'39"30 12 12
13. 38 WEARDEN-AGNEW Peugeot 206 A8 2h56'51"100 + 09'26"40 13 13
14. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 2h58'16"400 + 10'51"70 14 14
15. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 3h00'20"200 + 12'55"50 15 1
16. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 3h00'38"200 + 13'13"50 16 2
17. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 3h04'23"600 + 16'58"90 17 3
McRae was shooting up the order but had a bad last 2 stages due to power steering failure. So i think he is out of this. It's been raining on some stages which has helped the Fords in particular but the last few were dry and the normal order resumed.
If things stay as they are then Martin will be asked to drop behind Burns so he scores some points.
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 2h47'48"200 + 00'23"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 2h48'14"600 + 00'49"90 3 3
4. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 2h50'03"100 + 02'38"40 4 4
5. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 2h50'47"300 + 03'22"60 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 2h51'05"100 + 03'40"40 6 6
7. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 2h51'43"900 + 04'19"20 7 7
8. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 2h52'49"300 + 05'24"60 8 8
9. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 2h52'59"300 + 05'34"60 9 9
10. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 2h53'25"000 + 06'00"30 10 10
11. 25 MOERTL-EICHHORN Subaru Impr A8 2h54'56"300 + 07'31"60 11 11
12. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 2h56'04"000 + 08'39"30 12 12
13. 38 WEARDEN-AGNEW Peugeot 206 A8 2h56'51"100 + 09'26"40 13 13
14. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 2h58'16"400 + 10'51"70 14 14
15. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 3h00'20"200 + 12'55"50 15 1
16. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 3h00'38"200 + 13'13"50 16 2
17. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 3h04'23"600 + 16'58"90 17 3
McRae was shooting up the order but had a bad last 2 stages due to power steering failure. So i think he is out of this. It's been raining on some stages which has helped the Fords in particular but the last few were dry and the normal order resumed.
If things stay as they are then Martin will be asked to drop behind Burns so he scores some points.
| 10th Warrior | 10-20-2001 03:18 PM |
Risto is apparently going to under go back surgery next week, though he is in pretty good shape.
solberg continues to impress me, more and more with each rally.
solberg continues to impress me, more and more with each rally.
| Shik | 10-20-2001 06:42 PM |
4. Solberg
6. Martin
7. Burns
Team orders to come maybe? I've heard of one team mate slowing, but two?! :)
6. Martin
7. Burns
Team orders to come maybe? I've heard of one team mate slowing, but two?! :)
| johnfelstead | 10-20-2001 07:16 PM |
It's illegal to swap drivers with team orders ;) so i cant see petter slowing as that would be indisputable. Martin defo will drop back though. Subaru wouldnt drop manufacturer points for Burns so unless Delecour drops behind it wont even be a slight posibility.
I have seen two slow, but that was back in the Lancia S4 GroupB era. :D
I have seen two slow, but that was back in the Lancia S4 GroupB era. :D
| Shik | 10-21-2001 01:31 AM |
Mr. WRC :)
Thanks John, that makes things a bit clearer.
BTW, just for the heck of it since you are in the thick of things over there and have a wealth of knowledge pertaining to the WRC, what are your opinions of Petter and Martin. Do you think they can consistenly run with the front-runners next year(at least Petter)?
BTW, just for the heck of it since you are in the thick of things over there and have a wealth of knowledge pertaining to the WRC, what are your opinions of Petter and Martin. Do you think they can consistenly run with the front-runners next year(at least Petter)?
| go go go | 10-21-2001 04:46 AM |
Pic of the Makinen's accident
I want to post the pic here but i know Rally-live.com hate i-club so I'll put a link. I hope it won't cause further problem with them.
[URL=http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/2001/photos/2001/corse/diapo_111.jpg]rally-live.com -the pic of Makinen's accident[/URL]
Look how close the car is to the edge of the cliff.
Co-driver might have broken his back.
Arai went off the cliff as well because he didn't see a water spring running across the road.
[URL=http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/2001/photos/2001/corse/diapo_111.jpg]rally-live.com -the pic of Makinen's accident[/URL]
Look how close the car is to the edge of the cliff.
Co-driver might have broken his back.
Arai went off the cliff as well because he didn't see a water spring running across the road.
| Puff Daft | 10-21-2001 05:17 AM |
My lord Puras is raping everyone!!! Come on Engine Failure! :lol: Solberg and Burns are in a definately position to rack up some points and it looks like Burns is gonna capitalize on the oppurtuninty after all.
Stupid Citroen...
Stupid Citroen...
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 08:42 AM |
Its Done!
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h58'35"500 92.1 km/h 1 1
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h58'53"000 + 00'17"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 3h59'47"400 + 01'11"90 3 3
4. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 4h01'29"400 + 02'53"90 4 4
5. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 4h03'28"600 + 04'53"10 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 4h03'57"100 + 05'21"60 6 6
7. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 4h06'02"400 + 07'26"90 7 7
8. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 4h06'44"700 + 08'09"20 8 8
9. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 4h07'28"200 + 08'52"70 9 9
10. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 4h08'01"600 + 09'26"10 10 10
11. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 4h08'56"800 + 10'21"30 11 11
12. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 4h11'50"200 + 13'14"70 12 12
13. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 4h16'16"400 + 17'40"90 13 1
14. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 4h16'24"900 + 17'49"40 14 2
15. 56 BASSO-GUGLIELMI Fiat Punto A6 4h21'25"700 + 22'50"20 15 3
16. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 4h21'47"900 + 23'12"40 16 4
17. 28 TRELLES-DEL BUO Mitsubishi N4 4h22'51"300 + 24'15"80 1 1
18. 41 SANCHEZ-SCELO Mitsubishi N4 4h23'43"400 + 25'07"90 2 2
19. 58 VALLEJO-VALLEJO Fiat Punto A6 4h24'13"400 + 25'37"90 17 5
20. 50 STOHL-MULLER Fiat Punto A6 4h26'36"100 + 28'00"60 18 6
21. 68 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h28'54"900 + 30'19"40 19 7
Congrats to Citroen and Puras with their first ever WRC win witha WRC car.
Burns could have done so much more if he didnt screw up on day one, he missheard a pacenote and was damn lucky to continue.
Looks like i was right on the team orders thing so Burns gets 5th and 2 points. That puts Burns joint 3rd with Sainz on 33 points. Colin and Tommi are on 40 points. [b]That is Mega Important!![/b]
This is the situation in the Drivers championship now.
[b]IF[/b] Burns wins the next two events, Australia and RallyGB he cannot be beaten in the championship and will win by 1 point on 53 points to a posible 52 for colin/tommi for 2 second places!!!!!!
It's entirely in Burns hands now. Does he have the balls to withstand the presure? The Subaru is the car to have in Australia and GB IMHO and with the two rallies running a start order of the first in the WRC chooses where in the top10 to start on the leg, 2nd gets second pick and so on.... we wont see the stupid jokeying for position at the end of legs we have been seeing to date. They all have to drive flat out, the top4 will have a cleaned road to work with.
This is going to be interesting! ;)
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h58'53"000 + 00'17"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 3h59'47"400 + 01'11"90 3 3
4. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 4h01'29"400 + 02'53"90 4 4
5. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 4h03'28"600 + 04'53"10 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 4h03'57"100 + 05'21"60 6 6
7. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 4h06'02"400 + 07'26"90 7 7
8. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 4h06'44"700 + 08'09"20 8 8
9. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 4h07'28"200 + 08'52"70 9 9
10. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 4h08'01"600 + 09'26"10 10 10
11. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 4h08'56"800 + 10'21"30 11 11
12. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 4h11'50"200 + 13'14"70 12 12
13. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 4h16'16"400 + 17'40"90 13 1
14. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 4h16'24"900 + 17'49"40 14 2
15. 56 BASSO-GUGLIELMI Fiat Punto A6 4h21'25"700 + 22'50"20 15 3
16. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 4h21'47"900 + 23'12"40 16 4
17. 28 TRELLES-DEL BUO Mitsubishi N4 4h22'51"300 + 24'15"80 1 1
18. 41 SANCHEZ-SCELO Mitsubishi N4 4h23'43"400 + 25'07"90 2 2
19. 58 VALLEJO-VALLEJO Fiat Punto A6 4h24'13"400 + 25'37"90 17 5
20. 50 STOHL-MULLER Fiat Punto A6 4h26'36"100 + 28'00"60 18 6
21. 68 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h28'54"900 + 30'19"40 19 7
Congrats to Citroen and Puras with their first ever WRC win witha WRC car.
Burns could have done so much more if he didnt screw up on day one, he missheard a pacenote and was damn lucky to continue.
Looks like i was right on the team orders thing so Burns gets 5th and 2 points. That puts Burns joint 3rd with Sainz on 33 points. Colin and Tommi are on 40 points. [b]That is Mega Important!![/b]
This is the situation in the Drivers championship now.
[b]IF[/b] Burns wins the next two events, Australia and RallyGB he cannot be beaten in the championship and will win by 1 point on 53 points to a posible 52 for colin/tommi for 2 second places!!!!!!
It's entirely in Burns hands now. Does he have the balls to withstand the presure? The Subaru is the car to have in Australia and GB IMHO and with the two rallies running a start order of the first in the WRC chooses where in the top10 to start on the leg, 2nd gets second pick and so on.... we wont see the stupid jokeying for position at the end of legs we have been seeing to date. They all have to drive flat out, the top4 will have a cleaned road to work with.
This is going to be interesting! ;)
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 09:02 AM |
Re: Mr. WRC :)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shik [/i]
[B]Thanks John, that makes things a bit clearer.
BTW, just for the heck of it since you are in the thick of things over there and have a wealth of knowledge pertaining to the WRC, what are your opinions of Petter and Martin. Do you think they can consistenly run with the front-runners next year(at least Petter)? [/B][/QUOTE]
Daft as this may sound i genuinely believe Subaru will be the Team next year. I dont think people realise quite what a task it was swapping to the WRX shell. It is ver diferent and Prodrive have done an incredible job to get the car up to speed.
On the Petter/Martin front it's hard to make a call on Martin, i think it's too early to say. He hasnt done anything that screams out to me he has massive talent though. It's tricky too in that Martin is not as PR savvy as Solberg so he may just be getting a bumb deal with the media. I'll reserve judgement on him for a while but first impresions are no.
Petter, absolutely no question he has the speed, i think having Tommi in the team will give Petter that final piece in the Jigsaw he needs. Burns is an incredibly quick driver, he does himself no favours with his tantrums though. (he does has them, hehehe:D)
I think Tommi will be a better influence on Petter than Richard and thats not taking anything away from Richard, it's just the personality of these guys. Because they are top drivers doent mean they aren't human and still have their own idiosincrecies.
Subaru next year will be THE team IMHO.
Just to clear something up. Arai didnt go off a cliff, he rolled it in the middle of the road, i saw it on TV 2 nights ago. :D
[B]Thanks John, that makes things a bit clearer.
BTW, just for the heck of it since you are in the thick of things over there and have a wealth of knowledge pertaining to the WRC, what are your opinions of Petter and Martin. Do you think they can consistenly run with the front-runners next year(at least Petter)? [/B][/QUOTE]
Daft as this may sound i genuinely believe Subaru will be the Team next year. I dont think people realise quite what a task it was swapping to the WRX shell. It is ver diferent and Prodrive have done an incredible job to get the car up to speed.
On the Petter/Martin front it's hard to make a call on Martin, i think it's too early to say. He hasnt done anything that screams out to me he has massive talent though. It's tricky too in that Martin is not as PR savvy as Solberg so he may just be getting a bumb deal with the media. I'll reserve judgement on him for a while but first impresions are no.
Petter, absolutely no question he has the speed, i think having Tommi in the team will give Petter that final piece in the Jigsaw he needs. Burns is an incredibly quick driver, he does himself no favours with his tantrums though. (he does has them, hehehe:D)
I think Tommi will be a better influence on Petter than Richard and thats not taking anything away from Richard, it's just the personality of these guys. Because they are top drivers doent mean they aren't human and still have their own idiosincrecies.
Subaru next year will be THE team IMHO.
Just to clear something up. Arai didnt go off a cliff, he rolled it in the middle of the road, i saw it on TV 2 nights ago. :D
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 09:41 AM |
Naughty Subaru!!!!!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, playing with fire!!!!
[quote]Richard Burns ended the rally on a high note claiming victory on the stage and finishing fifth overall. He beat Colin McRae, Piero Liatti, and Harri Rovanpera, who finished 11th, 8th and 7th overall. Petter Solberg set the fifth best time in his Subaru to secure fourth place, however he was then penalised two minutes for arriving early at the time control. It was a tactical move by Subaru to allow Burns to increase his points tally, as because of the penalty Burns was moved up into fourth place, while Solberg dropped to fifth. Meanwhile their teammate Markko Martin finished in sixth place.
[/quote]
So Burns is now 1 point ahead of Sainz on 34 points.
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h58'35"500 92.1 km/h 1 1
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h58'53"000 + 00'17"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 3h59'47"400 + 01'11"90 3 3
4. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 4h03'28"600 + 04'53"10 4 4
5. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 4h03'29"400 + 04'53"90 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 4h03'57"100 + 05'21"60 6 6
7. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 4h06'02"400 + 07'26"90 7 7
8. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 4h06'44"700 + 08'09"20 8 8
9. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 4h07'28"200 + 08'52"70 9 9
10. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 4h08'41"600 + 10'06"10 10 10
11. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 4h08'56"800 + 10'21"30 11 11
12. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 4h11'50"200 + 13'14"70 12 12
13. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 4h16'16"400 + 17'40"90 13 1
14. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 4h16'24"900 + 17'49"40 14 2
15. 56 BASSO-GUGLIELMI Fiat Punto A6 4h21'25"700 + 22'50"20 15 3
16. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 4h21'47"900 + 23'12"40 16 4
17. 28 TRELLES-DEL BUO Mitsubishi N4 4h22'51"300 + 24'15"80 1 1
18. 41 SANCHEZ-SCELO Mitsubishi N4 4h23'43"400 + 25'07"90 2 2
19. 58 VALLEJO-VALLEJO Fiat Punto A6 4h24'13"400 + 25'37"90 17 5
20. 63 STENSHORNE-JENK Ford Puma A6 4h25'52"100 + 27'16"60 18 6
21. 69 BERNARDI-CAVALI Peugeot 206 A6 4h26'00"500 + 27'25"00 19 7
22. 50 STOHL-MULLER Fiat Punto A6 4h26'36"100 + 28'00"60 20 8
23. 68 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h28'54"900 + 30'19"40 21 9
24. 48 GRIAZINE-EREMEE Mitsubishi N4 4h28'59"500 + 30'24"00 3 3
25. 65 GALANTI-AMIGO Ford Puma A6 4h29'35"000 + 30'59"50 22 10
26. 83 MERCIER-VERET Renault Cli N3 4h30'23"800 + 31'48"30 4 1
27. 54 COLS-GERARD Peugeot 206 A6 4h32'20"300 + 33'44"80 23 11
28. 34 MARIANI-MARIANI Citroen Sax A6 4h33'50"500 + 35'15"00 24 12
29. 62 VALIMAKI-HONKAN Peugeot 206 A6 4h34'44"100 + 36'08"60 25 13
30. 82 BOURCIER-DUCOUS Renault Cli N3 4h37'12"200 + 38'36"70 5 2
31. 47 AYME-AYME Mitsubishi N4 4h38'05"000 + 39'29"50 6 4
32. 36 PEREIRA-FERRERO Subaru Impr A8 4h39'26"500 + 40'51"00 26 13
33. 45 CANDIAN-BIOTTI Mitsubishi N4 4h40'38"700 + 42'03"20 7 5
34. 88 ROVINA-ROVINA Peugeot 306 N3 4h41'20"500 + 42'45"00 8 3
35. 81 FAGGIANELLI-MAT Renault Cli N3 4h43'07"600 + 44'32"10 9 4
36. 87 PUGLIESE-GIAMBI Peugeot 306 N3 4h46'55"600 + 48'20"10 10 5
37. 46 JONES-COWAN Mitsubishi N4 4h46'59"200 + 48'23"70 11 6
38. 96 CHKONDALI-RAVIO Honda Integ N3 4h47'02"300 + 48'26"80 12 6
39. 67 LLOVERA-CORRAL Fiat Punto A6 4h48'00"900 + 49'25"40 27 14
40. 95 LAMONATO-SCATTO Opel Astra N3 4h49'15"500 + 50'40"00 13 7
41. 89 LAURENCE-GUINCH Peugeot 306 N3 4h49'56"200 + 51'20"70 14 8
42. 93 BASTELICA-PAOLI Renault Cli N3 4h52'31"100 + 53'55"60 15 9
43. 91 FILIPPI-MIZAEL Peugeot 306 N3 4h52'37"700 + 54'02"20 16 10
44. 97 LEONETTI-MAZOTT Peugeot 106 A6 4h52'38"700 + 54'03"20 28 15
45.102 WILDERS-AREND Honda Civic N2 4h54'05"100 + 55'29"60 17 1
46.100 DARD-DU FAYET D Honda Civic N2 4h56'05"000 + 57'29"50 18 2
47. 78 MICHELI-POYO Renault Max A7 4h58'13"400 + 59'37"90 29 1
48.101 POISSON-LESIGNE Honda Civic N2 5h12'03"500 + 1h13'28" 19 3
49.104 TOMASELLI-BONIF Peugeot 106 N1 5h20'29"800 + 1h21'54" 20 1
50. 99 CARTA-BRACCONI Citroen AX A5 5h28'34"600 + 1h29'59" 30 1
[quote]Richard Burns ended the rally on a high note claiming victory on the stage and finishing fifth overall. He beat Colin McRae, Piero Liatti, and Harri Rovanpera, who finished 11th, 8th and 7th overall. Petter Solberg set the fifth best time in his Subaru to secure fourth place, however he was then penalised two minutes for arriving early at the time control. It was a tactical move by Subaru to allow Burns to increase his points tally, as because of the penalty Burns was moved up into fourth place, while Solberg dropped to fifth. Meanwhile their teammate Markko Martin finished in sixth place.
[/quote]
So Burns is now 1 point ahead of Sainz on 34 points.
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h58'35"500 92.1 km/h 1 1
2. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 3h58'53"000 + 00'17"50 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 3h59'47"400 + 01'11"90 3 3
4. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 4h03'28"600 + 04'53"10 4 4
5. 6 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 4h03'29"400 + 04'53"90 5 5
6. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 4h03'57"100 + 05'21"60 6 6
7. 29 ROVANPERA-PIETI Peugeot 206 A8 4h06'02"400 + 07'26"90 7 7
8. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA Hyundai Acc A8 4h06'44"700 + 08'09"20 8 8
9. 10 A.McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 4h07'28"200 + 08'52"70 9 9
10. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 4h08'41"600 + 10'06"10 10 10
11. 4 C.McRAE-GRIST Ford Focus A8 4h08'56"800 + 10'21"30 11 11
12. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 4h11'50"200 + 13'14"70 12 12
13. 53 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Sax A6 4h16'16"400 + 17'40"90 13 1
14. 52 DALLAVILLA-BERN Fiat Punto A6 4h16'24"900 + 17'49"40 14 2
15. 56 BASSO-GUGLIELMI Fiat Punto A6 4h21'25"700 + 22'50"20 15 3
16. 55 McSHEA-ORR Citroen Sax A6 4h21'47"900 + 23'12"40 16 4
17. 28 TRELLES-DEL BUO Mitsubishi N4 4h22'51"300 + 24'15"80 1 1
18. 41 SANCHEZ-SCELO Mitsubishi N4 4h23'43"400 + 25'07"90 2 2
19. 58 VALLEJO-VALLEJO Fiat Punto A6 4h24'13"400 + 25'37"90 17 5
20. 63 STENSHORNE-JENK Ford Puma A6 4h25'52"100 + 27'16"60 18 6
21. 69 BERNARDI-CAVALI Peugeot 206 A6 4h26'00"500 + 27'25"00 19 7
22. 50 STOHL-MULLER Fiat Punto A6 4h26'36"100 + 28'00"60 20 8
23. 68 CECCATO-DOTTA Fiat Punto A6 4h28'54"900 + 30'19"40 21 9
24. 48 GRIAZINE-EREMEE Mitsubishi N4 4h28'59"500 + 30'24"00 3 3
25. 65 GALANTI-AMIGO Ford Puma A6 4h29'35"000 + 30'59"50 22 10
26. 83 MERCIER-VERET Renault Cli N3 4h30'23"800 + 31'48"30 4 1
27. 54 COLS-GERARD Peugeot 206 A6 4h32'20"300 + 33'44"80 23 11
28. 34 MARIANI-MARIANI Citroen Sax A6 4h33'50"500 + 35'15"00 24 12
29. 62 VALIMAKI-HONKAN Peugeot 206 A6 4h34'44"100 + 36'08"60 25 13
30. 82 BOURCIER-DUCOUS Renault Cli N3 4h37'12"200 + 38'36"70 5 2
31. 47 AYME-AYME Mitsubishi N4 4h38'05"000 + 39'29"50 6 4
32. 36 PEREIRA-FERRERO Subaru Impr A8 4h39'26"500 + 40'51"00 26 13
33. 45 CANDIAN-BIOTTI Mitsubishi N4 4h40'38"700 + 42'03"20 7 5
34. 88 ROVINA-ROVINA Peugeot 306 N3 4h41'20"500 + 42'45"00 8 3
35. 81 FAGGIANELLI-MAT Renault Cli N3 4h43'07"600 + 44'32"10 9 4
36. 87 PUGLIESE-GIAMBI Peugeot 306 N3 4h46'55"600 + 48'20"10 10 5
37. 46 JONES-COWAN Mitsubishi N4 4h46'59"200 + 48'23"70 11 6
38. 96 CHKONDALI-RAVIO Honda Integ N3 4h47'02"300 + 48'26"80 12 6
39. 67 LLOVERA-CORRAL Fiat Punto A6 4h48'00"900 + 49'25"40 27 14
40. 95 LAMONATO-SCATTO Opel Astra N3 4h49'15"500 + 50'40"00 13 7
41. 89 LAURENCE-GUINCH Peugeot 306 N3 4h49'56"200 + 51'20"70 14 8
42. 93 BASTELICA-PAOLI Renault Cli N3 4h52'31"100 + 53'55"60 15 9
43. 91 FILIPPI-MIZAEL Peugeot 306 N3 4h52'37"700 + 54'02"20 16 10
44. 97 LEONETTI-MAZOTT Peugeot 106 A6 4h52'38"700 + 54'03"20 28 15
45.102 WILDERS-AREND Honda Civic N2 4h54'05"100 + 55'29"60 17 1
46.100 DARD-DU FAYET D Honda Civic N2 4h56'05"000 + 57'29"50 18 2
47. 78 MICHELI-POYO Renault Max A7 4h58'13"400 + 59'37"90 29 1
48.101 POISSON-LESIGNE Honda Civic N2 5h12'03"500 + 1h13'28" 19 3
49.104 TOMASELLI-BONIF Peugeot 106 N1 5h20'29"800 + 1h21'54" 20 1
50. 99 CARTA-BRACCONI Citroen AX A5 5h28'34"600 + 1h29'59" 30 1
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 09:52 AM |
championship standings, still a weird season!
Drivers
Tommi MAKINEN (FIN) 10 0 10 4 3 0 3 10 0 0 0 0 -- -- 40
Colin MCRAE (GB) 0 0 0 0 10 10 10 0 4 6 0 0 -- -- 40
Richard BURNS (GB) 0 0 3 0 6 6 0 0 6 10 0 3 -- -- 34
Carlos SAINZ (E) 6 4 6 2 4 4 0 0 1 3 3 0 -- -- 33
Harri ROVANPERA (FIN) -- 10 0 -- 0 0 4 6 3 4 0 0 -- -- 27
Gilles PANIZZI (F) 0 -- 0 6 -- 0 0 -- 0 -- 10 6 -- -- 22
Didier AURIOL (F) 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 4 -- -- 19
Marcus GRONHOLM (FIN) 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 10 2 0 0 -- -- 16
François DELECOUR (F) 4 2 2 1 0 0 2 3 0 0 1 0 -- -- 15
Petter SOLBERG (N) 0 1 0 0 2 0 6 0 0 0 0 2 -- -- 11
Jesus PURAS (E) -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 10 -- -- 10
Freddy LOIX (B) 1 0 0 3 1 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 -- -- 9
Armin SCHWARZ (D) 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 7
Thomas RADSTROM (S) -- 6 0 -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- 6
Sébastien LOEB (F) 0 0 -- 0 -- -- 0 -- 0 -- 6 0 -- -- 6
Toni GARDEMEISTER (FIN) 2 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 0 -- -- -- -- 5
Toshihiro ARAI (J) -- -- -- -- 0 3 0 0 -- 0 0 0 -- -- 3
Markko MARTIN (EST) 0 0 0 0 -- -- 0 -- 2 -- 0 1 -- -- 3
Renato TRAVAGLIA (I) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 -- -- -- 2
Alister MCRAE (GB) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -- 0 0 0 0 -- -- 1
Pasi HAGSTROM (FIN) -- 0 0 0 -- 1 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- -- -- 1
Philippe BUGALSKI (F) 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 1 -- -- -- 0 0 -- -- 1
Gabriel POZZO (RA) -- -- 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 1
Maunfacturers
FORD 6 8 6 2 14 14 10 0 6 10 7 0 -- -- 83
PEUGEOT 0 0 4 16 0 0 0 6 13 5 16 16 -- -- 76
MITSUBISHI 13 10 10 7 4 3 6 13 0 0 1 0 -- -- 67
SUBARU 0 4 3 1 8 6 6 0 7 11 2 7 -- -- 55
SKODA 5 1 0 0 0 1 4 4 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 15
HYUNDAI 2 3 3 0 0 2 0 -- 0 0 0 3 -- -- 13
Tommi MAKINEN (FIN) 10 0 10 4 3 0 3 10 0 0 0 0 -- -- 40
Colin MCRAE (GB) 0 0 0 0 10 10 10 0 4 6 0 0 -- -- 40
Richard BURNS (GB) 0 0 3 0 6 6 0 0 6 10 0 3 -- -- 34
Carlos SAINZ (E) 6 4 6 2 4 4 0 0 1 3 3 0 -- -- 33
Harri ROVANPERA (FIN) -- 10 0 -- 0 0 4 6 3 4 0 0 -- -- 27
Gilles PANIZZI (F) 0 -- 0 6 -- 0 0 -- 0 -- 10 6 -- -- 22
Didier AURIOL (F) 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 4 -- -- 19
Marcus GRONHOLM (FIN) 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 10 2 0 0 -- -- 16
François DELECOUR (F) 4 2 2 1 0 0 2 3 0 0 1 0 -- -- 15
Petter SOLBERG (N) 0 1 0 0 2 0 6 0 0 0 0 2 -- -- 11
Jesus PURAS (E) -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 10 -- -- 10
Freddy LOIX (B) 1 0 0 3 1 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 -- -- 9
Armin SCHWARZ (D) 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 7
Thomas RADSTROM (S) -- 6 0 -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- 0 -- -- -- 6
Sébastien LOEB (F) 0 0 -- 0 -- -- 0 -- 0 -- 6 0 -- -- 6
Toni GARDEMEISTER (FIN) 2 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- 0 0 -- -- -- -- 5
Toshihiro ARAI (J) -- -- -- -- 0 3 0 0 -- 0 0 0 -- -- 3
Markko MARTIN (EST) 0 0 0 0 -- -- 0 -- 2 -- 0 1 -- -- 3
Renato TRAVAGLIA (I) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2 -- -- -- 2
Alister MCRAE (GB) 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -- 0 0 0 0 -- -- 1
Pasi HAGSTROM (FIN) -- 0 0 0 -- 1 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- -- -- 1
Philippe BUGALSKI (F) 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 1 -- -- -- 0 0 -- -- 1
Gabriel POZZO (RA) -- -- 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -- -- 1
Maunfacturers
FORD 6 8 6 2 14 14 10 0 6 10 7 0 -- -- 83
PEUGEOT 0 0 4 16 0 0 0 6 13 5 16 16 -- -- 76
MITSUBISHI 13 10 10 7 4 3 6 13 0 0 1 0 -- -- 67
SUBARU 0 4 3 1 8 6 6 0 7 11 2 7 -- -- 55
SKODA 5 1 0 0 0 1 4 4 0 -- 0 0 -- -- 15
HYUNDAI 2 3 3 0 0 2 0 -- 0 0 0 3 -- -- 13
| Shik | 10-21-2001 10:09 AM |
John, thanks for the insight on the team and drivers next year. I enjoy reading your posts more then the rally web sites sometimes :)
As for the "penalty", you almost knew something like that was going to happen ;)
I also enjoyed Markko's comment when asked if team orders were going to take place..." [i]What do you think![/i]"
Can't wait for Austrailia!!!
As for the "penalty", you almost knew something like that was going to happen ;)
I also enjoyed Markko's comment when asked if team orders were going to take place..." [i]What do you think![/i]"
Can't wait for Austrailia!!!
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 10:33 AM |
Thanks. :D
There was a lot of talk by the FIA last year about team orders, this was aimed at the F1 world championship in the main but they said the WRC was being looked at closely.
I doubt they have the guts to actually enforce their own rules in this but they could. It only takes one wound up Steward to exclude the Subaru team from this rally. Pretty unlikely i know but the FIA did threaten this last year.
The rule in question..................
[quote]3.3.6 Any incorrect, fraudulent or unsporting action carried out by the competitor or members of the crew
will be judged by the Stewards who may impose a penalty which can go as far as exclusion.[/quote]
There was a lot of talk by the FIA last year about team orders, this was aimed at the F1 world championship in the main but they said the WRC was being looked at closely.
I doubt they have the guts to actually enforce their own rules in this but they could. It only takes one wound up Steward to exclude the Subaru team from this rally. Pretty unlikely i know but the FIA did threaten this last year.
The rule in question..................
[quote]3.3.6 Any incorrect, fraudulent or unsporting action carried out by the competitor or members of the crew
will be judged by the Stewards who may impose a penalty which can go as far as exclusion.[/quote]
| johnfelstead | 10-21-2001 01:48 PM |
Happy campers all round
The Subaru team had a very successful rally. The manufacturer secured seven championship points and the event saw brilliant performances from the driving trio of Burns, Solberg and Märtin. Burns staged a spectacular comeback after nearly crashing out of the rally on the second stage. He was quickest through the final test today and finished fourth overall to collect four manufacturers' points and three for the drivers' contest.
Burns said: "The result and these points are a lot better than I expected. I made a mistake on the first day and when I hit that bank I didn't think I'd be carrying on. Petter and Phil have been thoroughly professional and I really appreciate what they've done for Robert and myself - reducing my points deficit helps my title aspirations. The last two rallies of the year will be incredibly exciting and I'm glad that I can fight until the end."
Subaru's 25-year old Estonian hero Markko Martin produced an astonishing debut drive on the Corsican asphalt. He finished seventh and in the points for Subaru. Martin said: "I'm really pleased to get to the finish, that as what I was concentrating on. I brought the car back with no scratches on it, which was important after Sanremo and good for my confidence. Michael and I are obviously delighted to finish in the top six - it's been a excellent weekend."
Petter Solberg and Phil Mills put in one of the best drives of their career and also demonstrated an unselfish attitude to achieving a great team result. At the final time control the pair deliberately incurred a time penalty to assist their teammate Burns with his championship aspirations.
Solberg said: "I have to say I'm very very happy, it's been an unbelievable rally and the result is fantastic - I really can't complain. It's my first time finishing this event, and I'm really looking forward to the future. It didn't matter about where I finished, it's not my time yet to prove anything, my time will come. I've learned a lot, and I'll go back to Norway with a big smile on my face!"
David Lapworth added: "Our realistic objective before the event was for Richard to score three points more than Tommi or Colin - to achieve 4th, 5th and 6th place here is the best possible result. The team is delighted and we have exceeded our expectations. All the drivers have done a great job, they've performed perfectly and with a very professional attitude. There's a whole team of people behind the drivers and we've seen a fantastic team effort."
With two gravel rallies remaining until the 2001 championship race is over there are still six drivers who can mathematically win the title. Burns is now third in the fight, just six points off the leaders, with another twenty points still available.
Burns said: "The result and these points are a lot better than I expected. I made a mistake on the first day and when I hit that bank I didn't think I'd be carrying on. Petter and Phil have been thoroughly professional and I really appreciate what they've done for Robert and myself - reducing my points deficit helps my title aspirations. The last two rallies of the year will be incredibly exciting and I'm glad that I can fight until the end."
Subaru's 25-year old Estonian hero Markko Martin produced an astonishing debut drive on the Corsican asphalt. He finished seventh and in the points for Subaru. Martin said: "I'm really pleased to get to the finish, that as what I was concentrating on. I brought the car back with no scratches on it, which was important after Sanremo and good for my confidence. Michael and I are obviously delighted to finish in the top six - it's been a excellent weekend."
Petter Solberg and Phil Mills put in one of the best drives of their career and also demonstrated an unselfish attitude to achieving a great team result. At the final time control the pair deliberately incurred a time penalty to assist their teammate Burns with his championship aspirations.
Solberg said: "I have to say I'm very very happy, it's been an unbelievable rally and the result is fantastic - I really can't complain. It's my first time finishing this event, and I'm really looking forward to the future. It didn't matter about where I finished, it's not my time yet to prove anything, my time will come. I've learned a lot, and I'll go back to Norway with a big smile on my face!"
David Lapworth added: "Our realistic objective before the event was for Richard to score three points more than Tommi or Colin - to achieve 4th, 5th and 6th place here is the best possible result. The team is delighted and we have exceeded our expectations. All the drivers have done a great job, they've performed perfectly and with a very professional attitude. There's a whole team of people behind the drivers and we've seen a fantastic team effort."
With two gravel rallies remaining until the 2001 championship race is over there are still six drivers who can mathematically win the title. Burns is now third in the fight, just six points off the leaders, with another twenty points still available.
| jaybird | 10-22-2001 09:21 AM |
Thanks for the insights John! This is ending up to be one heck of a season! WRC rules. What other motor sports series is this close with only two events left? SWRT will be the team to beat next year.
| Subie Gal | 10-22-2001 11:10 AM |
Burnsy i loooove u!
Burnsy!!!!
go for it baby!!!!
4 more weeks!! 4 more weeks!! :D (RAC)
roooooll on November! :D
j.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
go for it baby!!!!
4 more weeks!! 4 more weeks!! :D (RAC)
roooooll on November! :D
j.
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| johnfelstead | 10-22-2001 10:32 PM |
Calm down Jamie!!!! :D;)
Anyway, it's the Network Q Rally Great Britain, :p:lol:
[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=4]RAC[/SIZE] [/COLOR] to the real fans. *cough* ;)
I can't wait either. ;):D
Anyway, it's the Network Q Rally Great Britain, :p:lol:
[COLOR=darkred][SIZE=4]RAC[/SIZE] [/COLOR] to the real fans. *cough* ;)
I can't wait either. ;):D
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