| 9vapors | 08-28-2005 11:05 AM |
Rollcages With Rear Seats
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Does anyone know any roll cages or bars that allow the use of the rear seats. I am really interested in the JSpeed setup, but can't find anyone that sells it in the US. Pics would also be nice, lets see em!
-John
-John
| Butt Dyno | 08-28-2005 12:06 PM |
[QUOTE=9vapors]Does anyone know any roll cages or bars that allow the use of the rear seats. I am really interested in the JSpeed setup, but can't find anyone that sells it in the US. Pics would also be nice, lets see em!
-John[/QUOTE]
I haven't researched it, but intuitively it seems like a pretty bad idea :) Are you talking about putting people back there or just stuff?
You could always get something bolt-in and remove it when you weren't using it but I suspect that would get old fast.
-John[/QUOTE]
I haven't researched it, but intuitively it seems like a pretty bad idea :) Are you talking about putting people back there or just stuff?
You could always get something bolt-in and remove it when you weren't using it but I suspect that would get old fast.
| Sean | 08-28-2005 03:46 PM |
This question has been asked many many times in the past and the overwhelming response has been [b]don't[/b]. A cage is dangerous enough for an unhelmeted and unharnessed driver; I don't even want to think about what would happen to rear passengers.
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| WRX_Mundi | 08-28-2005 09:32 PM |
I did briefly look into it. Bolt on parts might work, where you detach parts of it to clear out the back. While detached it's probably not good protection but would work for around town.
As for a cage built without cross members that destroy back seat space: cage builders I didn't really trust said they might be able to do it -- cage builders I do trust including some of the best in the nation said no way would they ever put their names and reputations to it. For non-bolting cages, the conclusion was do it right and end up losing use of the back seat, or don't do it at all.
As for a cage built without cross members that destroy back seat space: cage builders I didn't really trust said they might be able to do it -- cage builders I do trust including some of the best in the nation said no way would they ever put their names and reputations to it. For non-bolting cages, the conclusion was do it right and end up losing use of the back seat, or don't do it at all.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 08-28-2005 11:14 PM |
What about Cusco or STi? OR are they more of a bling cage?
| jam69007 | 08-29-2005 01:15 AM |
bolt in cages like the cusco=bling. bolt in cages r gay.
| mykrrrr | 08-29-2005 02:07 AM |
[QUOTE=jam69007]bolt in cages like the cusco=bling. bolt in cages r gay.[/QUOTE]
so since the Cusco cage is bling AND bolt in, does that make it gay bling???
:lol:
-mykr.
so since the Cusco cage is bling AND bolt in, does that make it gay bling???
:lol:
-mykr.
| akuhner | 08-29-2005 09:27 AM |
Once you get to the point that you need a cage to pass tech at the events you are going to, you have a race car, not a street car. You can still drive your race car on the street, I know a few people who do, but it's still a race car on the street. And when you have a cage, you must at all times wear at least a 5pt harness properly buckled.
(and if you read "pass tech at events" and that doesn't apply to you, then YOU DO NOT NEED A CAGE!)
(and if you read "pass tech at events" and that doesn't apply to you, then YOU DO NOT NEED A CAGE!)
| RB5 Clone | 08-29-2005 10:16 AM |
Why are you caging the car? What events you running, etc? Without this info, it's hard to do anything but conjecture (not that anybody on this board would EVAR do that!)
:eek:
Any cage that's worth a dang will have a big fat X between the main hoop and rear strut towers, which pretty much eliminates passengers. If there's room for people, you ain't got a good cage. Take yer pick.
Until I hear a good reason to have passengers riding in the back of a caged car, there's only one word to say: NO
Dave G
[url]www.lastditchracing.net[/url]
:eek:
Any cage that's worth a dang will have a big fat X between the main hoop and rear strut towers, which pretty much eliminates passengers. If there's room for people, you ain't got a good cage. Take yer pick.
Until I hear a good reason to have passengers riding in the back of a caged car, there's only one word to say: NO
Dave G
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| trhoppe | 08-29-2005 11:56 AM |
:lol: another one of these. Please don't cage your car with the cusco bolt together, bent in the wrong places, crap.
as far as
[quote]Any cage that's worth a dang will have a big fat X between the main hoop and rear strut towers[/quote] Why do you feel that way?
-Tom
as far as
[quote]Any cage that's worth a dang will have a big fat X between the main hoop and rear strut towers[/quote] Why do you feel that way?
-Tom
| RB5 Clone | 08-29-2005 12:08 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]
as far as
Why do you feel that way?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Cause that's what is standard practice in caging rally spec Subarus as approved by FIA, CARS, NASA, Rally America, etc. I'm not an engineer, just a car owner/builder, driver and co'driver. IE, have tested this type of cage the hard way several times and the Xes have worked so far.
Cages braced with something other than a big X between main hoop and top of rear strut towers may well be the norm in road race applications and/or in other cars than Subarus, natch.
Dave G
as far as
Why do you feel that way?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Cause that's what is standard practice in caging rally spec Subarus as approved by FIA, CARS, NASA, Rally America, etc. I'm not an engineer, just a car owner/builder, driver and co'driver. IE, have tested this type of cage the hard way several times and the Xes have worked so far.
Cages braced with something other than a big X between main hoop and top of rear strut towers may well be the norm in road race applications and/or in other cars than Subarus, natch.
Dave G
| trhoppe | 08-29-2005 12:54 PM |
Gotchya. Our Subaru cage for T2 does not have the X and the cage shop (who builds quite a few cages for SCCA world challenge cars) believes that it just adds weight without offering any addition chassis stiffening. We did get a rear strut tower bar put in for chassis stiffening.
-Tom
-Tom
| Fitz | 08-29-2005 01:13 PM |
Ever sat in the back seat of a caged car? It's downright disturbing... and that's with padding.
Fitz
Fitz
| greg donovan | 08-29-2005 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Gotchya. Our Subaru cage for T2 does not have the X and the cage shop (who builds quite a few cages for SCCA world challenge cars) believes that it just adds weight without offering any addition chassis stiffening. We did get a rear strut tower bar put in for chassis stiffening.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
yep, you guys dont hit objects about 10-24 inches in diameter w/the side/rear quarter of the car very often.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
yep, you guys dont hit objects about 10-24 inches in diameter w/the side/rear quarter of the car very often.
| RB5 Clone | 08-29-2005 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]yep, you guys dont hit objects about 10-24 inches in diameter w/the side/rear quarter of the car very often.[/QUOTE]
I take it you are referring to vertical cellulose-intensive objects known as "trees" ? ;)
Dave G
I take it you are referring to vertical cellulose-intensive objects known as "trees" ? ;)
Dave G
| Sean | 08-29-2005 02:45 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]I take it you are referring to vertical cellulose-intensive objects known as "trees" ? ;)[/QUOTE]
Or really skinny spectators... :lol:
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Or really skinny spectators... :lol:
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| bjorn240 | 08-29-2005 02:48 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]I take it you are referring to vertical cellulose-intensive objects known as "trees" ? ;) [/QUOTE]
According to Travis, trees are about 90% air. Which is a good thing, as I'm sure we passed right through one on SS14 at Ojibwe.
- Christian
According to Travis, trees are about 90% air. Which is a good thing, as I'm sure we passed right through one on SS14 at Ojibwe.
- Christian
| greg donovan | 08-29-2005 03:07 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]According to Travis, trees are about 90% air. Which is a good thing, as I'm sure we passed right through one on SS14 at Ojibwe.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
i didnt know the STi came w/the ability to phase through solid objects. thats way too cool.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
i didnt know the STi came w/the ability to phase through solid objects. thats way too cool.
| bjorn240 | 08-29-2005 03:17 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]i didnt know the STi came w/the ability to phase through solid objects. thats way too cool.[/QUOTE]
Yes, though I believe it's a special Option Variant. And you have to use the side skirts with it.
- Christian
Yes, though I believe it's a special Option Variant. And you have to use the side skirts with it.
- Christian
| Sean | 08-29-2005 03:18 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]i didnt know the STi came w/the ability to phase through solid objects. thats way too cool.[/QUOTE]
A Dimensional Warp Generator may be required:
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| scooby_x | 08-29-2005 03:27 PM |
this cage looks like it people could sit in the back. wierd design that ends in the trunk.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-SUBARU-WRX-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-LOW-MILES-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ4571629679QQcategoryZ31868QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-SUBARU-WRX-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-LOW-MILES-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ4571629679QQcategoryZ31868QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
| trhoppe | 08-29-2005 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=scooby_x]this cage looks like it people could sit in the back. wierd design that ends in the trunk.
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-SUBARU-WRX-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-LOW-MILES-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ4571629679QQcategoryZ31868QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats safe for driving if by driving you mean having the car towed to shows :rolleyes:
-Tom
[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-SUBARU-WRX-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-LOW-MILES-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ4571629679QQcategoryZ31868QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats safe for driving if by driving you mean having the car towed to shows :rolleyes:
-Tom
| UCD-WRX | 08-29-2005 03:49 PM |
[QUOTE=scooby_x]this cage looks like it people could sit in the back. wierd design that ends in the trunk.[/QUOTE]
Hey scooby_x,
There isn't a rule of cage building that that car does not break. That "wierd design" ensures that the roof can still cave in, the fronts don't protect you in a side or front impact, etc etc etc.
Scary cage. Its only function is to crack open the skulls of rear seat passengers in a head-on accident (as the car stops, their heads will slam into that "harness bar" portion of the cage.
UCD-WRX
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Hey scooby_x,
There isn't a rule of cage building that that car does not break. That "wierd design" ensures that the roof can still cave in, the fronts don't protect you in a side or front impact, etc etc etc.
Scary cage. Its only function is to crack open the skulls of rear seat passengers in a head-on accident (as the car stops, their heads will slam into that "harness bar" portion of the cage.
UCD-WRX
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| AlbaScoob | 08-29-2005 03:50 PM |
what the heck is that?
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| racerjon1 | 08-29-2005 03:52 PM |
While we are on the subject (sorry to semi-hijack) who here might have cage specs for WRC. (STi/Evo builds) I have looked at these, and decided its what I want. (and it works for two people in case we end up doing Targa next year)
Jon K
[url]www.seat-time.com[/url]
[url]www.racerjon.com[/url]
Jon K
[url]www.seat-time.com[/url]
[url]www.racerjon.com[/url]
| CirrusWRX | 08-29-2005 04:07 PM |
That gold cage only works to protect the occupants if you install the obligatory "F16 Fighter Pilot Shift Kn0b"
[img]http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/d1/dd/a8_1_b.JPG[/img]
I say install a weld-in cage AND put passengers back there. Buck the trend, screw what these people say! Just get your lawyer to draft up a quick release form and make your passengers sign it. Then they'll contort themselves and monkey swing while you drive to the movies. If they start getting annoying, just mash the brakes real quick- they'll get real quiet real quick.
Screw what other people say- don't follow the sheep- think for yourself!!!
Cage + Passengers in the back seat = GOOD TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
[img]http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/d1/dd/a8_1_b.JPG[/img]
I say install a weld-in cage AND put passengers back there. Buck the trend, screw what these people say! Just get your lawyer to draft up a quick release form and make your passengers sign it. Then they'll contort themselves and monkey swing while you drive to the movies. If they start getting annoying, just mash the brakes real quick- they'll get real quiet real quick.
Screw what other people say- don't follow the sheep- think for yourself!!!
Cage + Passengers in the back seat = GOOD TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
| RB5 Clone | 08-29-2005 04:10 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]i didnt know the STi came w/the ability to phase through solid objects. thats way too cool.[/QUOTE]
I dunno about "ability to phase through" solid objects...from what I've seen, STIs DO have quite remarkable abilities to "bulldoze straight through" or "flatten" or "graze" or perhaps "bounce off" those pesky 10% cellulose dealies.... :huh:
Dave G
PS -- if trees are indeed only 10% cellulose, then I'm super glad they're not 100%. Hitting one of those would really HURT!
I dunno about "ability to phase through" solid objects...from what I've seen, STIs DO have quite remarkable abilities to "bulldoze straight through" or "flatten" or "graze" or perhaps "bounce off" those pesky 10% cellulose dealies.... :huh:
Dave G
PS -- if trees are indeed only 10% cellulose, then I'm super glad they're not 100%. Hitting one of those would really HURT!
| Sean | 08-29-2005 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Thats safe for driving if by driving you mean having the car towed to shows :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I can't tell where the cage ends and the exhaust begins. :lol:
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Yeah, I can't tell where the cage ends and the exhaust begins. :lol:
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