| Cosworth | 11-14-2002 11:40 AM |
Tire width rule revision in STX yet?
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I remember a thread here in MS regarding the SCCA revising the total allowed tire width in STX to perhaps something greater than 225. Does anyone know the status of this yet?
| KC | 11-14-2002 11:48 AM |
What you are talking about is the STX Class Killer thread. It can be found here.... [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259925&perpage=25&pagenumber=4[/url]
Last post was on the 5th. Nothing's changed. It'll be in the next Fastrack (Janurary) if there is one. Is this question going to come up every week? ;)
It'll be posted here once a decision is made. Really. :)
--kC
Last post was on the 5th. Nothing's changed. It'll be in the next Fastrack (Janurary) if there is one. Is this question going to come up every week? ;)
It'll be posted here once a decision is made. Really. :)
--kC
| Orion | 11-14-2002 11:56 AM |
I don't see it going to 245. I actually hope it doesn't. Things are pretty fair on the 225's.
| Cosworth | 11-14-2002 02:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Is this question going to come up every week? ;)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry Big K, i didn't realize it came up every week. ;) I remember seeing tom post about it and have been frequenting this forum fairly regularly to see if anything came about. I thought there might be more info as tom claimed that fastrack might have a decision within a few days of that post. I suppose it might be delayed more until all points events are done across the country (if they already aren't).
[B]Is this question going to come up every week? ;)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry Big K, i didn't realize it came up every week. ;) I remember seeing tom post about it and have been frequenting this forum fairly regularly to see if anything came about. I thought there might be more info as tom claimed that fastrack might have a decision within a few days of that post. I suppose it might be delayed more until all points events are done across the country (if they already aren't).
| CamaroFS34 | 11-14-2002 07:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]I don't see it going to 245. I actually hope it doesn't. Things are pretty fair on the 225's. [/B][/QUOTE]Actually there is one fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.
:sigh:
Karen
[B]I don't see it going to 245. I actually hope it doesn't. Things are pretty fair on the 225's. [/B][/QUOTE]Actually there is one fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.
:sigh:
Karen
| TheWRX | 11-14-2002 08:15 PM |
I almost hope that it stays at 225. Mainly because there's a lack of good tire choices at 235 and 245. The only Azenis in that width (245/45-17) is too tall for our cars. Tirerack doesn't list a KD in a size that fits. The BFGoodrich site lists a 245/40-17, no price there, but probably well beyond $200. Add some lightweight 17x8" rims, and you're looking at $2500 for a wheel/tire combo. :eek:
| Orion | 11-14-2002 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CamaroFS34 [/i]
[B]Actually there is on fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.
:sigh:
Karen [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh, gotcha!;) Sorry I completely forgot about the pony cars!
Even as an owner of a '98 Z28 I'd never really thought of autoxing it. Suspension is WAY too mushy to start for my taste. Plus, I'm nowhere near a good enough driver to pilot it around the course safely!:lol:
One of these days I'll be on the track with it....
[B]Actually there is on fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.
:sigh:
Karen [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh, gotcha!;) Sorry I completely forgot about the pony cars!
Even as an owner of a '98 Z28 I'd never really thought of autoxing it. Suspension is WAY too mushy to start for my taste. Plus, I'm nowhere near a good enough driver to pilot it around the course safely!:lol:
One of these days I'll be on the track with it....
| Kostamojen | 11-15-2002 02:34 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]
Ahhh, gotcha!;) Sorry I completely forgot about the pony cars!
Even as an owner of a '98 Z28 I'd never really thought of autoxing it. Suspension is WAY too mushy to start for my taste. Plus, I'm nowhere near a good enough driver to pilot it around the course safely!:lol:
One of these days I'll be on the track with it.... [/B][/QUOTE]
At my last auto-x, there was a guy in a brand new Cobra that didnt know what the bajesus he was doing :lol: He went totally off course and nearly ran over some course workers, the whole time gunning it around corners as the spun all over the place...
I'm pretty sure you could do better than that ;)
[B]
Ahhh, gotcha!;) Sorry I completely forgot about the pony cars!
Even as an owner of a '98 Z28 I'd never really thought of autoxing it. Suspension is WAY too mushy to start for my taste. Plus, I'm nowhere near a good enough driver to pilot it around the course safely!:lol:
One of these days I'll be on the track with it.... [/B][/QUOTE]
At my last auto-x, there was a guy in a brand new Cobra that didnt know what the bajesus he was doing :lol: He went totally off course and nearly ran over some course workers, the whole time gunning it around corners as the spun all over the place...
I'm pretty sure you could do better than that ;)
| Orion | 11-15-2002 08:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]
At my last auto-x, there was a guy in a brand new Cobra that didnt know what the bajesus he was doing :lol: He went totally off course and nearly ran over some course workers, the whole time gunning it around corners as the spun all over the place...
I'm pretty sure you could do better than that ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
We [i]politley[/i] DQ those people and le them know that it's not the best way to navigate the course.;) We've had a handful of those (E46 M3, 5.0, WS6) in our region in the last couple years. Usually they don't come back even though we give them an opportunity to redeem themselves. The dangerous situation they cause doesn't enter into their heads. They see smoky burnouts in races on TV and think it's cool.:rolleyes:
I know I'd be decent in it, but I'll definitely be replacing the struts & springs on before it hits the track. 73K mi. and I can bounce the rear end like a basketball!
[B]
At my last auto-x, there was a guy in a brand new Cobra that didnt know what the bajesus he was doing :lol: He went totally off course and nearly ran over some course workers, the whole time gunning it around corners as the spun all over the place...
I'm pretty sure you could do better than that ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
We [i]politley[/i] DQ those people and le them know that it's not the best way to navigate the course.;) We've had a handful of those (E46 M3, 5.0, WS6) in our region in the last couple years. Usually they don't come back even though we give them an opportunity to redeem themselves. The dangerous situation they cause doesn't enter into their heads. They see smoky burnouts in races on TV and think it's cool.:rolleyes:
I know I'd be decent in it, but I'll definitely be replacing the struts & springs on before it hits the track. 73K mi. and I can bounce the rear end like a basketball!
| KC | 11-15-2002 08:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWRX [/i]
[B]I almost hope that it stays at 225. Mainly because there's a lack of good tire choices at 235 and 245. The only Azenis in that width (245/45-17) is too tall for our cars. Tirerack doesn't list a KD in a size that fits. The BFGoodrich site lists a 245/40-17, no price there, but probably well beyond $200. Add some lightweight 17x8" rims, and you're looking at $2500 for a wheel/tire combo. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]TireRack lists the Kumho MX in a 245/40-17 for $129.
--kC
[B]I almost hope that it stays at 225. Mainly because there's a lack of good tire choices at 235 and 245. The only Azenis in that width (245/45-17) is too tall for our cars. Tirerack doesn't list a KD in a size that fits. The BFGoodrich site lists a 245/40-17, no price there, but probably well beyond $200. Add some lightweight 17x8" rims, and you're looking at $2500 for a wheel/tire combo. :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]TireRack lists the Kumho MX in a 245/40-17 for $129.
--kC
| trhoppe | 11-15-2002 08:46 AM |
Also the BFG KD is not no their website for some reason, but is available if you call. $245 a pop. Ouchie.
Speed costs $$, how fast do you want to go. I know Im not compromising with the rest of my car, so if the 245 rule goes through, then 17" rota attacks with some 245/40/17 KDs for me.
-Tom
The other, other STX #5
Speed costs $$, how fast do you want to go. I know Im not compromising with the rest of my car, so if the 245 rule goes through, then 17" rota attacks with some 245/40/17 KDs for me.
-Tom
The other, other STX #5
| Orion | 11-15-2002 08:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Also the BFG KD is not no their website for some reason, but is available if you call. $245 a pop. Ouchie.
Speed costs $$, how fast do you want to go. I know Im not compromising with the rest of my car, so if the 245 rule goes through, then 17" rota attacks with some 245/40/17 KDs for me.
-Tom
The fast, other STX #5 [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I'll be class filler for you then! I'll go with the $129 MX's and pray you cone every run!:lol: Racing is fun, but I'm not gonna shell out $245 for ONE tire when I can get a whole set of 225/45-17 Azenis for not much more.
Orion
The slow, original STX #5
[B]Also the BFG KD is not no their website for some reason, but is available if you call. $245 a pop. Ouchie.
Speed costs $$, how fast do you want to go. I know Im not compromising with the rest of my car, so if the 245 rule goes through, then 17" rota attacks with some 245/40/17 KDs for me.
-Tom
The fast, other STX #5 [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, I'll be class filler for you then! I'll go with the $129 MX's and pray you cone every run!:lol: Racing is fun, but I'm not gonna shell out $245 for ONE tire when I can get a whole set of 225/45-17 Azenis for not much more.
Orion
The slow, original STX #5
| trhoppe | 11-15-2002 08:58 AM |
My reasoning is the contingency cash. With subaru paying $500 for the Pros, Hancook paying for the Pros AND tours, Honduh paying for the Pros, and the BFG contingency, if I win I can get my $$ back.
-Tom
-Tom
| Orion | 11-15-2002 09:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]My reasoning is the contingency cash. With subaru paying $500 for the Pros, Hankook paying for the Pros AND tours, Honduh paying for the Pros, and the BFG contingency, if I win I can get my $$ back.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Good point! I'll have to wait till 2004 to consider those options though. I can't afford the initial investment after buying a house.
[B]My reasoning is the contingency cash. With subaru paying $500 for the Pros, Hankook paying for the Pros AND tours, Honduh paying for the Pros, and the BFG contingency, if I win I can get my $$ back.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Good point! I'll have to wait till 2004 to consider those options though. I can't afford the initial investment after buying a house.
| KC | 11-15-2002 09:04 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]My reasoning is the contingency cash. With subaru paying $500 for the Pros, Hancook paying for the Pros AND tours, Honduh paying for the Pros, and the BFG contingency, if I win I can get my $$ back.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]You sound so sure of yourself. :)
What I mean is: Last year, BFG only paid for STS/STSL. Are they even going to pick up STX/STXL this year?
Also, you have to eventually get the money from the SCCA. Still waiting for the Honda money from the ProFinale. :mad: Would like to have it in time for x-mas.
--kC
[B]My reasoning is the contingency cash. With subaru paying $500 for the Pros, Hancook paying for the Pros AND tours, Honduh paying for the Pros, and the BFG contingency, if I win I can get my $$ back.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]You sound so sure of yourself. :)
What I mean is: Last year, BFG only paid for STS/STSL. Are they even going to pick up STX/STXL this year?
Also, you have to eventually get the money from the SCCA. Still waiting for the Honda money from the ProFinale. :mad: Would like to have it in time for x-mas.
--kC
| trhoppe | 11-15-2002 09:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]You sound so sure of yourself. :)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE] Me? no WAY!!
Thats why I put "If" :lol:
Im just saying that there is a lot of $$ out there if you win. If it costs an extra $500 to get on the winning tires, you could make it up in 1 event IF you win.
-Tom
[B]You sound so sure of yourself. :)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE] Me? no WAY!!
Thats why I put "If" :lol:
Im just saying that there is a lot of $$ out there if you win. If it costs an extra $500 to get on the winning tires, you could make it up in 1 event IF you win.
-Tom
| KC | 11-15-2002 09:11 AM |
Ahh. Missed the If. :D Hehe.
Good thing I clarified before your Sloowwwwww response.
--kC
(Desparately trying not to be like OT today)
Good thing I clarified before your Sloowwwwww response.
--kC
(Desparately trying not to be like OT today)
| TheWRX | 11-15-2002 10:13 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]TireRack lists the Kumho MX in a 245/40-17 for $129.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, there's also a 245/45-16 SO3-PP. Both of these are probably not quite as sticky as the Azenis or KD, hard to say if the added width will (more) than make up for the compound. The 245/40-17 MX also requires an 8" wide rim if you want to stay within the specs.
Not that I should worry too much, my main problem is lack of driving skills. :o
[B]TireRack lists the Kumho MX in a 245/40-17 for $129.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, there's also a 245/45-16 SO3-PP. Both of these are probably not quite as sticky as the Azenis or KD, hard to say if the added width will (more) than make up for the compound. The 245/40-17 MX also requires an 8" wide rim if you want to stay within the specs.
Not that I should worry too much, my main problem is lack of driving skills. :o
| paultg | 11-15-2002 12:04 PM |
Are any of you guys concerend about fitment issues with the larger tire size a possiblity? I know things are pretty difficult on the WRX to begin with, expecially the wagon. I know many of you use coilover setup that clear some room up inside the wheel well, but if your lowing your cars, etc.. won't it be a very tight fit? Or, are you all prepared to roll the fenders if required?
Paul G.
Paul G.
| Orion | 11-15-2002 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by paultg [/i]
[B]Are any of you guys concerend about fitment issues with the larger tire size a possiblity? I know things are pretty difficult on the WRX to begin with, expecially the wagon. I know many of you use coilover setup that clear some room up inside the wheel well, but if your lowing your cars, etc.. won't it be a very tight fit? Or, are you all prepared to roll the fenders if required?
Paul G. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not using coilovers, yet. Rubbing with a 245 will be a definite concern. I know it's unfair to the pony cars, but I still hope the 225 stays. Sorry Karen!
[B]Are any of you guys concerend about fitment issues with the larger tire size a possiblity? I know things are pretty difficult on the WRX to begin with, expecially the wagon. I know many of you use coilover setup that clear some room up inside the wheel well, but if your lowing your cars, etc.. won't it be a very tight fit? Or, are you all prepared to roll the fenders if required?
Paul G. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not using coilovers, yet. Rubbing with a 245 will be a definite concern. I know it's unfair to the pony cars, but I still hope the 225 stays. Sorry Karen!
| slowWS6 | 11-16-2002 12:07 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CamaroFS34 [/i]
[B]Actually there is one fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.[/B][/QUOTE]
What she said. :D Seems kind of silly to allow 5-liter Mustangs and F Bodies in the class then make them [i]minus[/i]-size down to 225s while everybody is plus-sizing from their OE tire size.
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI), stock-width wheels (8") and tires (245 Bridgestones)
[B]Actually there is one fairly compelling reason for it to go to 245s -- the fact that two models of car (at least) that are allowed in the class come with 245s as OE. Yeah, of course, coming from me, you know those two cars would be Mustangs and F-bodies (Camaros/Firebirds). The problem is that the STAC didn't do their homework before allowing the 5.0s in the class, which is why the rim width had to be changed mid-season too (yeah, they also come with 8" wide rims). If they'd paid attention to anything besides their little Hondas, they may have noticed their mistake initially, and then this whole 225/245 argument would never have come up.[/B][/QUOTE]
What she said. :D Seems kind of silly to allow 5-liter Mustangs and F Bodies in the class then make them [i]minus[/i]-size down to 225s while everybody is plus-sizing from their OE tire size.
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI), stock-width wheels (8") and tires (245 Bridgestones)
| KC | 11-16-2002 08:45 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by slowWS6 [/i]
[B]
What she said. :D Seems kind of silly to allow 5-liter Mustangs and F Bodies in the class then make them [i]minus[/i]-size down to 225s while everybody is plus-sizing from their OE tire size.
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI), stock-width wheels (8") and tires (245 Bridgestones) [/B][/QUOTE]You comin to play next year? :)
[B]
What she said. :D Seems kind of silly to allow 5-liter Mustangs and F Bodies in the class then make them [i]minus[/i]-size down to 225s while everybody is plus-sizing from their OE tire size.
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI), stock-width wheels (8") and tires (245 Bridgestones) [/B][/QUOTE]You comin to play next year? :)
| slowWS6 | 11-16-2002 11:35 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]You comin to play next year? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
If they allow 245's. :)
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI)
[B]You comin to play next year? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
If they allow 245's. :)
Pat
'90 Formula WS6 (305 TPI)
| KC | 11-16-2002 11:40 AM |
Schweet. :)
| Orion | 11-16-2002 11:54 AM |
Well, after some thought I'm gonna change my mind and hope it comes through too. It'd be fun to switch back and forth between my Z28 and WRX!:D
Bilsteins for the Z are fairly cheap!:)
Bilsteins for the Z are fairly cheap!:)
| CamaroFS34 | 11-16-2002 02:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]Well, after some thought I'm gonna change my mind and hope it comes through too. It'd be fun to switch back and forth between my Z28 and WRX!:D
Bilsteins for the Z are fairly cheap!:) [/B][/QUOTE]Except that the limit for STX is 5.0L..... and 5.7L is a bit above that. Believe me.... I know.... ;)
Come to FS.... you know you wanna..... we're a bunch of wild and crazy people, and we definitely know how to have fun! In what other class would you find people with red, white and blue hair? ;)
Karen
[B]Well, after some thought I'm gonna change my mind and hope it comes through too. It'd be fun to switch back and forth between my Z28 and WRX!:D
Bilsteins for the Z are fairly cheap!:) [/B][/QUOTE]Except that the limit for STX is 5.0L..... and 5.7L is a bit above that. Believe me.... I know.... ;)
Come to FS.... you know you wanna..... we're a bunch of wild and crazy people, and we definitely know how to have fun! In what other class would you find people with red, white and blue hair? ;)
Karen
| Orion | 11-16-2002 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CamaroFS34 [/i]
[B]Except that the limit for STX is 5.0L..... and 5.7L is a bit above that. Believe me.... I know.... ;)
Come to FS.... you know you wanna..... we're a bunch of wild and crazy people, and we definitely know how to have fun! In what other class would you find people with red, white and blue hair? ;)
Karen [/B][/QUOTE]
That's right.:( Oh well, it was a fun thought while it lasted!
FS in my car would be SCARY!:eek: My OEM panhard bent when i hit a pothole that took out a BBS wheel in the process. I replaced it with a tubular panhard and was planning SLP's suspension kit (Bilstein's, Springs, RCA's and sway bars) for $700 next spring.
Looks like ESP would be the destination, but I'll have to check on legality of the Z06 clutch.
[B]Except that the limit for STX is 5.0L..... and 5.7L is a bit above that. Believe me.... I know.... ;)
Come to FS.... you know you wanna..... we're a bunch of wild and crazy people, and we definitely know how to have fun! In what other class would you find people with red, white and blue hair? ;)
Karen [/B][/QUOTE]
That's right.:( Oh well, it was a fun thought while it lasted!
FS in my car would be SCARY!:eek: My OEM panhard bent when i hit a pothole that took out a BBS wheel in the process. I replaced it with a tubular panhard and was planning SLP's suspension kit (Bilstein's, Springs, RCA's and sway bars) for $700 next spring.
Looks like ESP would be the destination, but I'll have to check on legality of the Z06 clutch.
| CamaroFS34 | 11-16-2002 03:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]FS in my car would be SCARY!:eek: My OEM panhard bent when i hit a pothole that took out a BBS wheel in the process. I replaced it with a tubular panhard and was planning SLP's suspension kit (Bilstein's, Springs, RCA's and sway bars) for $700 next spring.
Looks like ESP would be the destination, but I'll have to check on legality of the Z06 clutch. [/B][/QUOTE]I do believe clutches are open in ESP; I know plenty of ESPers with Centerforce clutches that would otherwise be illegal! :)
ESP is fun too.... heck, that's where FS goes when we get tired of shelling out for OE replacement parts!
Karen
[i]getting tired of OE parts for a car with 240K![/i]
[B]FS in my car would be SCARY!:eek: My OEM panhard bent when i hit a pothole that took out a BBS wheel in the process. I replaced it with a tubular panhard and was planning SLP's suspension kit (Bilstein's, Springs, RCA's and sway bars) for $700 next spring.
Looks like ESP would be the destination, but I'll have to check on legality of the Z06 clutch. [/B][/QUOTE]I do believe clutches are open in ESP; I know plenty of ESPers with Centerforce clutches that would otherwise be illegal! :)
ESP is fun too.... heck, that's where FS goes when we get tired of shelling out for OE replacement parts!
Karen
[i]getting tired of OE parts for a car with 240K![/i]
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