| Don Arm | 04-30-2006 06:57 PM |
U.S.G.P. Dead?
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I got my U.S.G.P. tickets today and no renewal form. But, I got a letter stating that "until a new contract is in place orders will not be taken nor monies collected for the 2007 race". CRAP !!! I hope it doesn't get dropped.
Anyway comments, opinions and thought's or inside info :devil: would be welcome in this dicussion.
And vote !!!
Anyway comments, opinions and thought's or inside info :devil: would be welcome in this dicussion.
And vote !!!
| stil2stock | 04-30-2006 07:05 PM |
If it dies, i will cry. until it comes back. that is all.
| 05WRXwagon | 04-30-2006 07:11 PM |
The tire fiasco really damaged a fragile race, but they should give the race more than one year to pull out of it. The problem is, they don't have much patience with other circuits wanting to get on board. If it goes, I hope they still race in the US somewhere, but there is just no where else as classy as Indy.
| finnRex | 04-30-2006 07:13 PM |
U.S. interests have been doing ok at best. Last year's fiasco sure as crap didn't help out at all. I'd like to see the U.S.G.P. come back next year, simply 'cuz there isn't a closer one;). That and my family has been to every once since '00.
Classy? Indy? Are you sure? I will say that there is a lot of heritage at Indy, but class, meh. I've seen more rednecks in that state than in Texas;).
Mika
Classy? Indy? Are you sure? I will say that there is a lot of heritage at Indy, but class, meh. I've seen more rednecks in that state than in Texas;).
Mika
| stil2stock | 04-30-2006 07:16 PM |
[QUOTE=05WRXwagon]The tire fiasco really damaged a fragile race, but they should give the race more than one year to pull out of it. The problem is, they don't have much patience with other circuits wanting to get on board. If it goes, I hope they still race in the US somewhere, but there is just no where else as classy as Indy.[/QUOTE]
nowhere as classy as Indy??!!! uh....Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sears Point and a little place called Laguna Seca
nowhere as classy as Indy??!!! uh....Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sears Point and a little place called Laguna Seca
| Don Arm | 04-30-2006 07:31 PM |
Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sears Point and a little place called Laguna Seca. Don't have the money!!!!!! All of them would have to spend a few, wait, more than a few million to meet FIA/F1 track specs.
Nice track but not F1 material right now.
Nice track but not F1 material right now.
| XenoWolf | 04-30-2006 07:48 PM |
[SIZE=7][B][CENTER]Laguna Seca!!!![/CENTER] [/B] [/SIZE]
| themarxist | 04-30-2006 08:01 PM |
[QUOTE=stil2stock]nowhere as classy as Indy??!!! uh....Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sears Point and a little place called Laguna Seca[/QUOTE]
Totally! I can't imagine how much it would rock to see modern F1 cars coming down that corkscrew. Not to mention the fact that it's a real road course instead of a bastardized ASSCAR track.
Totally! I can't imagine how much it would rock to see modern F1 cars coming down that corkscrew. Not to mention the fact that it's a real road course instead of a bastardized ASSCAR track.
| dark knight | 04-30-2006 08:10 PM |
The U.S. race needs to be in Indy, lets just forget last year, perhaps Im just selfish because Indy is near enough for me to drive to each year
| johnei | 04-30-2006 09:02 PM |
Yeah it will probably be somewhere else in 2007. However, this scenario seems to occur every year for about 5 different track in Europe - all at risk because the organizers can't agree with Bernie and Max. The race that most often seems about to be cancelled is the British GP. Anyways it will be interesting to see what happens.
| Ferg | 05-01-2006 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE=stil2stock]nowhere as classy as Indy??!!! uh....Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sears Point and a little place called Laguna Seca[/QUOTE]
The only track you listed that would do a modern F1 car justice is Road America, and then maybe Road Atlanta.
Laguna, Watkins Glen, and Sears Point would be horrible places to hold a Grand Prix, the tracks are just not fast enough. :(
The only track you listed that would do a modern F1 car justice is Road America, and then maybe Road Atlanta.
Laguna, Watkins Glen, and Sears Point would be horrible places to hold a Grand Prix, the tracks are just not fast enough. :(
| artkevin | 05-01-2006 01:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]The only track you listed that would do a modern F1 car justice is Road America, and then maybe Road Atlanta.
Laguna, Watkins Glen, and Sears Point would be horrible places to hold a Grand Prix, the tracks are just not fast enough. :([/QUOTE]
Agreed
I think one of the major issues is the Tony George vs. Bernie. I don't think they like each other at all and Tony blamed the FIA for all of thr 05 diaster. He took no credit/blame for having diamond ground the track that screwed up not only F1 but IRL and NASCAR. Tony thinks he doesn't need F1 and he may be right but it sounds like he wants Bernie to get down on his knees, which as we all know, will NEVER happen.
Vegas would be great. Someone poseted a link to [url]www.grandprix.com[/url] saying that the Vegas city council is putting up for vote to get money for a "street race" on the strip. :banana:
Laguna, Watkins Glen, and Sears Point would be horrible places to hold a Grand Prix, the tracks are just not fast enough. :([/QUOTE]
Agreed
I think one of the major issues is the Tony George vs. Bernie. I don't think they like each other at all and Tony blamed the FIA for all of thr 05 diaster. He took no credit/blame for having diamond ground the track that screwed up not only F1 but IRL and NASCAR. Tony thinks he doesn't need F1 and he may be right but it sounds like he wants Bernie to get down on his knees, which as we all know, will NEVER happen.
Vegas would be great. Someone poseted a link to [url]www.grandprix.com[/url] saying that the Vegas city council is putting up for vote to get money for a "street race" on the strip. :banana:
| turboICE | 05-01-2006 02:02 PM |
Indy, has history and maybe grandeur - but class, please.
Watkins Glen not fast enough? Again, please, plenty fast enough as long as something other than NASCAR is on the track. And more class and history related to GP than Indy. However, there isn't nearly enough interest to even come close to justifying the cost of updating for FIA. Could well be the best track for a USGP and also the most expensive to update for FIA, likely more than an new track. Desirable, yes, feasible, no - not now, not ever.
The majority of the US population has two motorsports views - those that hate NASCAR and those that love NASCAR. They don't even know or care about much of anything else. Not that the egos and personalities behind US road racing and their complete divergence in what package to deliver and to work together doesn't hurt the sport substantially as well. I enjoy what all of them offer, but none have the draw to be truly successful.
F1 in the US? Dead. Even if they do have a race after 2006 it has been dead for a long time - except for the tire/race debacle mainstream media wouldn't cover it - there are no numbers of people who care, unless a good looking girl might do well, a fist fight breaks out or someone dies. Reverse immigrate to Canada or Mexico for motorsports asylum.
Watkins Glen not fast enough? Again, please, plenty fast enough as long as something other than NASCAR is on the track. And more class and history related to GP than Indy. However, there isn't nearly enough interest to even come close to justifying the cost of updating for FIA. Could well be the best track for a USGP and also the most expensive to update for FIA, likely more than an new track. Desirable, yes, feasible, no - not now, not ever.
The majority of the US population has two motorsports views - those that hate NASCAR and those that love NASCAR. They don't even know or care about much of anything else. Not that the egos and personalities behind US road racing and their complete divergence in what package to deliver and to work together doesn't hurt the sport substantially as well. I enjoy what all of them offer, but none have the draw to be truly successful.
F1 in the US? Dead. Even if they do have a race after 2006 it has been dead for a long time - except for the tire/race debacle mainstream media wouldn't cover it - there are no numbers of people who care, unless a good looking girl might do well, a fist fight breaks out or someone dies. Reverse immigrate to Canada or Mexico for motorsports asylum.
| bitterWRX | 05-01-2006 02:03 PM |
I think Vegas would be a great venue as well. No where as galmorous or historically defining as Monte Carlo/Monaco but I think it will be great for the spectators. Or better yet, bring it back to Long Beach!
| Ferg | 05-01-2006 02:42 PM |
[QUOTE=turboICE]Watkins Glen not fast enough? Again, please, plenty fast enough as long as something other than NASCAR is on the track. [/QUOTE]
Not for the current crop of Grand Prix cars. It's almost too little track for the IRL.
Modern F1 cars could never run at a place like the Glen, not anymore. Keep in mind we're talking about cars that are now capable of taking a truly monster track like Silverstone at nearly 75% full throttle for the entire lap. They're [i]flat out[/i] for the first nine corners!
The Glen, as great a track as it is, is simply not big or fast enough for today's machinery.
Not for the current crop of Grand Prix cars. It's almost too little track for the IRL.
Modern F1 cars could never run at a place like the Glen, not anymore. Keep in mind we're talking about cars that are now capable of taking a truly monster track like Silverstone at nearly 75% full throttle for the entire lap. They're [i]flat out[/i] for the first nine corners!
The Glen, as great a track as it is, is simply not big or fast enough for today's machinery.
| MPME | 05-01-2006 02:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Not for the current crop of Grand Prix cars. It's almost too little track for the IRL.
Modern F1 cars could never run at a place like the Glen, not anymore. Keep in mind we're talking about cars that are now capable of taking a truly monster track like Silverstone at nearly 75% full throttle for the entire lap. They're [i]flat out[/i] for the first nine corners!
The Glen, as great a track as it is, is simply not big or fast enough for today's machinery.[/QUOTE]
Have you been to Watkins?
F1 cars would be perfect there--and there are multiple layouts to choose from. Don't confuse heavy/wide/underpowered IRL cars for what light/narrow/powerful F1 machinery would do there. The cambered curves and elevation changes are nothing like the boring Silverstone--except for Maggots/Chapel and Bridge, it's one of the least technically challenging tracks on the calendar.
Granted, it'd never happen as the safety regs aren't up to full FIA/F1 specs, but if it was, Watkins would be a natural.
Modern F1 cars could never run at a place like the Glen, not anymore. Keep in mind we're talking about cars that are now capable of taking a truly monster track like Silverstone at nearly 75% full throttle for the entire lap. They're [i]flat out[/i] for the first nine corners!
The Glen, as great a track as it is, is simply not big or fast enough for today's machinery.[/QUOTE]
Have you been to Watkins?
F1 cars would be perfect there--and there are multiple layouts to choose from. Don't confuse heavy/wide/underpowered IRL cars for what light/narrow/powerful F1 machinery would do there. The cambered curves and elevation changes are nothing like the boring Silverstone--except for Maggots/Chapel and Bridge, it's one of the least technically challenging tracks on the calendar.
Granted, it'd never happen as the safety regs aren't up to full FIA/F1 specs, but if it was, Watkins would be a natural.
| turboICE | 05-01-2006 03:17 PM |
LOL the silverstone comparison has to be a joke right?
F1 is still also about driving isn't it?
They would reach the same speeds at the Glen, but would have the added benefit of accelerating through the uphill esses coming out of 1-2, charging down hill in a sweeper towards the boot, the challenge of dealing with the whole boot section in general - there isn't a part of that course that isn't technically challenging to drivers. I can't imagine how anyone that enjoys F1 honestly wouldn't love to see them at the Glen. It can't happen, but everyone should wish to see today's drivers in today's cars on that course. IRL doesn't nearly do it justice, those are momentum cars with no power, hardly relevant in an F1 conversation.
[url]http://209.196.5.67/documents/ElevationMap.pdf[/url]
Ed.
F1 is still also about driving isn't it?
They would reach the same speeds at the Glen, but would have the added benefit of accelerating through the uphill esses coming out of 1-2, charging down hill in a sweeper towards the boot, the challenge of dealing with the whole boot section in general - there isn't a part of that course that isn't technically challenging to drivers. I can't imagine how anyone that enjoys F1 honestly wouldn't love to see them at the Glen. It can't happen, but everyone should wish to see today's drivers in today's cars on that course. IRL doesn't nearly do it justice, those are momentum cars with no power, hardly relevant in an F1 conversation.
[url]http://209.196.5.67/documents/ElevationMap.pdf[/url]
Ed.
| Ferg | 05-01-2006 03:30 PM |
I haven't been to Watkins in about twenty years or so.
I respect your opinion Marshall, but I'm standing by my feelings, I just don't think the Glen would do justice to a modern Grand Prix machine. Not to say they wouldn't look spectacular going through the Esses, they certainly would! The rest of the course I fear would provide nowhere near the high cornering speeds we've all come to expect from F1.
I don't think you're giving Silverstone a fair shake either, it may have been a bit pedestrian the last few years, but with the new regs it's been raised to a whole new level. Copse, Becketts, and Stowe are now flat, but not always flat...that's a sign (to me at least) of a monster track. A track where only the truly brave or mad can commit themselves and their cars fully.
Suzuka, Spa, Istanbul, Silverstone, Monza, ect ect, those are tracks for Grand Prix racing.
I respect your opinion Marshall, but I'm standing by my feelings, I just don't think the Glen would do justice to a modern Grand Prix machine. Not to say they wouldn't look spectacular going through the Esses, they certainly would! The rest of the course I fear would provide nowhere near the high cornering speeds we've all come to expect from F1.
I don't think you're giving Silverstone a fair shake either, it may have been a bit pedestrian the last few years, but with the new regs it's been raised to a whole new level. Copse, Becketts, and Stowe are now flat, but not always flat...that's a sign (to me at least) of a monster track. A track where only the truly brave or mad can commit themselves and their cars fully.
Suzuka, Spa, Istanbul, Silverstone, Monza, ect ect, those are tracks for Grand Prix racing.
| artkevin | 05-01-2006 03:37 PM |
As much as I love the tracks the Ferg listed one of the most impressive places to see a F1 car be a F1 car is the low angle shot at the swiming pool in Monaco. The change of direction is amazing. ANd they aren't even going "that" fast.
But yes, Monza, 130 R the 3 apex Istanbul etc. are what brings the truly great above the extremely good.
But yes, Monza, 130 R the 3 apex Istanbul etc. are what brings the truly great above the extremely good.
| turboICE | 05-01-2006 03:47 PM |
I guess that is a difference in what people like to see in motorsports. Exclusively high speed corners (which Glen has at least four high speed corners that require a quite a large pair to take at the edge, especially the 120' drop from the bus stop) don't do it for me. I would rather see a course that has speed changes through highly technical sections than flat out with little speed change the entire way through - its getting closer and closer to oval driving skills rather than road course driving to me.
Istanbul and Brazil are great current courses IMO.
Istanbul and Brazil are great current courses IMO.
| Dan00RS | 05-02-2006 08:29 AM |
Doesn't anybody pay attention to the news? USGP at Daytona in 2007!
[url]http://www.autoracingdaily.com/article.php?cid=7987[/url]
[url]http://www.autoracingdaily.com/article.php?cid=7987[/url]
| artkevin | 05-02-2006 09:32 AM |
I think Champ Car may have stolen F1's thunder on the Vegas issue.
Vegas, Phoenix may join calendar
By David Malsher Tuesday, May 2nd 2006, 12:50 GMT
Champ Car World Series bosses have admitted they are aiming for street races in Las Vegas and Phoenix to add on the championship's 2007 calendar.
Las Vegas City Council will meet tomorrow to vote on the 2.44-mile 14-turn course that has been devised at the North End of the Strip. Should it win approval, the race is likely to be held on April 6-8, possibly as the championship's season-opener.
Champ Car World Series co-owner Kevin Kalkhoven commented: "The situation is that if the City Council approve, then we are there. We have a promoter in place, and a Las Vegas Grand Prix would be a perfect fit for the series, and a perfect fit for Vegas, the entertainment capital of the world."
Meanwhile, Champ Car president Steve Johnson has admitted he is in talks with Phoenix city councillors.
"We are in negotiations with the city, and we are very interested in Phoenix," he told AZ Central. "As a matter of fact, our officials are going to be out there this week to talk to people."
A race in Arizona's capital city will probably be the final round of the season, and therefore a November event. Many of the Champ Car community have for some time expressed the opinion that a US-based series should hold its finale in the USA.
Mexico City is currently the last round of the championship, and has held this position four times in the last five years.
Champ Car is set also to announce the cancellation of the South Korean race, in Ansan, for the second year in succession.
A source who did not wish to be named stated that it is "due to a breakdown in communication with the race promoters... brought about by a breakdown in communication within the ranks of promoters."
It is thought Ansan is unlikely to appear on the 2007 schedule, and that its place will be taken in 2007 by a race in Zhuhai, China.
Vegas, Phoenix may join calendar
By David Malsher Tuesday, May 2nd 2006, 12:50 GMT
Champ Car World Series bosses have admitted they are aiming for street races in Las Vegas and Phoenix to add on the championship's 2007 calendar.
Las Vegas City Council will meet tomorrow to vote on the 2.44-mile 14-turn course that has been devised at the North End of the Strip. Should it win approval, the race is likely to be held on April 6-8, possibly as the championship's season-opener.
Champ Car World Series co-owner Kevin Kalkhoven commented: "The situation is that if the City Council approve, then we are there. We have a promoter in place, and a Las Vegas Grand Prix would be a perfect fit for the series, and a perfect fit for Vegas, the entertainment capital of the world."
Meanwhile, Champ Car president Steve Johnson has admitted he is in talks with Phoenix city councillors.
"We are in negotiations with the city, and we are very interested in Phoenix," he told AZ Central. "As a matter of fact, our officials are going to be out there this week to talk to people."
A race in Arizona's capital city will probably be the final round of the season, and therefore a November event. Many of the Champ Car community have for some time expressed the opinion that a US-based series should hold its finale in the USA.
Mexico City is currently the last round of the championship, and has held this position four times in the last five years.
Champ Car is set also to announce the cancellation of the South Korean race, in Ansan, for the second year in succession.
A source who did not wish to be named stated that it is "due to a breakdown in communication with the race promoters... brought about by a breakdown in communication within the ranks of promoters."
It is thought Ansan is unlikely to appear on the 2007 schedule, and that its place will be taken in 2007 by a race in Zhuhai, China.
| ArtGecko | 05-02-2006 08:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Dan00RS]Doesn't anybody pay attention to the news?[/QUOTE]
Made me look! ;)
Made me look! ;)
| gills | 05-02-2006 11:26 PM |
Indy is such a friggin dump. Going to 2 years of the grand prix did enough justice for me to realize the surrounding area is a complete sheethole with disgusting strippers :lol: The actual city of Indy is actually not that bad for some night life, but around the race track there is absolutely nothing.
Watkins Glen GP would be nostalgic and represent F1 properly.
Watkins Glen GP would be nostalgic and represent F1 properly.
| RaceComp Engineering | 05-02-2006 11:33 PM |
[SIZE=6]F1 @ Summit Point and no traction control.....[/SIZE]
ok let me set the beer down.
mw
ok let me set the beer down.
mw
| turboICE | 05-02-2006 11:56 PM |
Shenandoah? Jefferscon? or Main?
I'm with you Myles, since I consider summit my home track...
But I didn't want to lose all ability to post with a straight face!
Ed.
I'm with you Myles, since I consider summit my home track...
But I didn't want to lose all ability to post with a straight face!
Ed.
| JZ oo7 | 05-03-2006 01:18 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]I think Vegas would be a great venue as well. No where as galmorous or historically defining as Monte Carlo/Monaco but I think it will be great for the spectators. Or better yet, bring it back to Long Beach![/QUOTE]
Caesars Palace GP? :lol:
also, sears point and laguna seca would have to go through huge changes to meet F1 standards. laguna seca already has problems hosting AMA.
Caesars Palace GP? :lol:
also, sears point and laguna seca would have to go through huge changes to meet F1 standards. laguna seca already has problems hosting AMA.
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