| TheVampire | 09-19-2004 10:32 PM |
We need a WRC rally here in the USA!
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Of course, it has to be tarmac. Where should it be held?
Being biased, I say it should be held in Western North Carolina. The Dragon could be one whole stage! :banana:
What do you think?
Being biased, I say it should be held in Western North Carolina. The Dragon could be one whole stage! :banana:
What do you think?
| Tensen | 09-19-2004 10:35 PM |
not gonna happen, not for awhile...sadly
| TheVampire | 09-19-2004 10:44 PM |
This is a wishlist. I know it's not likely, but what if?
| Tensen | 09-19-2004 10:47 PM |
it would be great, but the logistics are a huge problem...not many places in the us that actually could support an event like that..
people who want a wrc event in this country should go out and attend/spectate a SCCA ProRally or NASA Rally Sport event...if these events start getting huge, that could lead to other things...plus, more exposure for american rally is always good, and necessary
people who want a wrc event in this country should go out and attend/spectate a SCCA ProRally or NASA Rally Sport event...if these events start getting huge, that could lead to other things...plus, more exposure for american rally is always good, and necessary
| FaastLegacy | 09-19-2004 11:48 PM |
[QUOTE=TheVampire]Of course, it has to be tarmac. Where should it be held?
Being biased, I say it should be held in Western North Carolina. The Dragon could be one whole stage! :banana:
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
There used to be one in Washington in the 80's and LSPR(POR) used to be one a while ago too. We're not going to see one for a quite a while unfortunately. There's not enough fan interest and if there's not enough fan interest then there's not enough corporate interest to sponsor it. And WRC events require an obscene amount of money to set up. I think they dropped at least 50 million on WRC Mexico alone.
A good place to talk about this is [url]www.specialstage.com[/url], they're always debating this.
-faast
Being biased, I say it should be held in Western North Carolina. The Dragon could be one whole stage! :banana:
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
There used to be one in Washington in the 80's and LSPR(POR) used to be one a while ago too. We're not going to see one for a quite a while unfortunately. There's not enough fan interest and if there's not enough fan interest then there's not enough corporate interest to sponsor it. And WRC events require an obscene amount of money to set up. I think they dropped at least 50 million on WRC Mexico alone.
A good place to talk about this is [url]www.specialstage.com[/url], they're always debating this.
-faast
| WRXedUSA | 09-20-2004 01:51 AM |
Ask Ford what they think about another WRC event.
| ArnoldM | 09-20-2004 03:53 AM |
i say rallye de Malibu!
various stages through Mulholland and decker
various stages through Mulholland and decker
| joe z | 09-20-2004 10:29 AM |
rally Hawaii would be a good choice after going to maui some of the roads there are perfect .. single lane blind turns on the side of a cliff tarmac/gravel ... i just wish i had my car and not a rental when i was there...
| Patrick L | 09-20-2004 11:48 AM |
If it were to come to the US. Most likey be on the west coast in SoCal.
| Jaxx | 09-20-2004 12:04 PM |
the best chance would be a snow rally not tarmac
| Robin2 | 09-20-2004 12:38 PM |
and it would be Canada......
This has been discussed so much..... On the CDN series, Charlevoix rally and Quebec Rally were FIA sanctioned... For Charlevoix, Francois Duval competed it in 2000 (came in 2nd overall) in a Evo4 (group N class).... In 2001, Anthony Warmbold came over with Group A Toyota Corrolla (ex-works car)....
Robin
This has been discussed so much..... On the CDN series, Charlevoix rally and Quebec Rally were FIA sanctioned... For Charlevoix, Francois Duval competed it in 2000 (came in 2nd overall) in a Evo4 (group N class).... In 2001, Anthony Warmbold came over with Group A Toyota Corrolla (ex-works car)....
Robin
| SooobieSnack | 09-20-2004 01:17 PM |
I demand a Rally USA :D Give it to me now! :banana:
| afpdl | 09-20-2004 01:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Robin2]and it would be Canada......
This has been discussed so much..... On the CDN series, Charlevoix rally and Quebec Rally were FIA sanctioned... For Charlevoix, Francois Duval competed it in 2000 (came in 2nd overall) in a Evo4 (group N class).... In 2001, Anthony Warmbold came over with Group A Toyota Corrolla (ex-works car)....
Robin[/QUOTE]
If Canada counts then we already have a WRC rally in mexico.
This has been discussed so much..... On the CDN series, Charlevoix rally and Quebec Rally were FIA sanctioned... For Charlevoix, Francois Duval competed it in 2000 (came in 2nd overall) in a Evo4 (group N class).... In 2001, Anthony Warmbold came over with Group A Toyota Corrolla (ex-works car)....
Robin[/QUOTE]
If Canada counts then we already have a WRC rally in mexico.
| ANZAC_1915 | 09-20-2004 02:49 PM |
Wild West has been FIA sanctioned for at least 2 years now.
Getting a WRC event takes a lot of work and money.
It has to be FIA observed for a number of years, and you need some serious sponsorship investment to bring it off.
I still think Las Vegas would be a great place to have it.
Glenn
Getting a WRC event takes a lot of work and money.
It has to be FIA observed for a number of years, and you need some serious sponsorship investment to bring it off.
I still think Las Vegas would be a great place to have it.
Glenn
| outback2.5HO | 09-20-2004 02:50 PM |
The Wild West International Rally [url]www.wildwestrally.com[/url] is sanctioned by FIA as well as SCCA.
That is "test" to see if we can get a WRC event over here, and how it would go. The FIA rules are a little different than SCCA's, but the entire event went very smoothly. Lots of FIA stewards out there taking notes and keeping tabs on how things were going.
Wild West is run in the same area and some of the same roads that the Olympus Rally (WRC) of the 80's was run. Chances are if there were going to be a WRC event, it would be up there. All of the facilities, great volunteers, die hard rally fans, great roads, and some good local talent too. :)
Laughlin, Nv. might be another potential area that could host a WRC event, as they are already holding an International Rally there as well.
It might be closer than you think in the US, until then there's Mexico... :D
That is "test" to see if we can get a WRC event over here, and how it would go. The FIA rules are a little different than SCCA's, but the entire event went very smoothly. Lots of FIA stewards out there taking notes and keeping tabs on how things were going.
Wild West is run in the same area and some of the same roads that the Olympus Rally (WRC) of the 80's was run. Chances are if there were going to be a WRC event, it would be up there. All of the facilities, great volunteers, die hard rally fans, great roads, and some good local talent too. :)
Laughlin, Nv. might be another potential area that could host a WRC event, as they are already holding an International Rally there as well.
It might be closer than you think in the US, until then there's Mexico... :D
| chairmandave | 09-20-2004 03:17 PM |
My money is on Canada, soley for the reason that the litigation/insurance laws might be less hazardous than the US. If it were held in the nifty fifty, my biggest fear is of an American spectator getting hit by a stray piece of gravel and filing a frivolous lawsuit against the FIA or WRC.
If I ever have a quadrillion dollars handy, my first investment will be to buy all of Bainbridge Island in Washington state and create the '24 hours of Rally Bainbridge'. The first 12 hours on gravel, the second 12 hours on tarmac. Anything not related to rally will be bulldozed!
If I ever have a quadrillion dollars handy, my first investment will be to buy all of Bainbridge Island in Washington state and create the '24 hours of Rally Bainbridge'. The first 12 hours on gravel, the second 12 hours on tarmac. Anything not related to rally will be bulldozed!
| jerseybrandon | 09-20-2004 04:21 PM |
Charlevoix would be a great WRC event. It would be tough to find a sponsor to put up the $20mil that was spent in Mexico here in the states with our limited rally interests.
Brandon
Brandon
| WRXXXual | 09-20-2004 04:29 PM |
Let me see...the rally would have to be mapped out on tough, intimidating land. Not only would it have to robustly test the driver's ability and nerve, but the ruggedness of the vehicle as well. Yes, a rally area that would accentuate the bold driver/co-driver; and waste the timid drivers like they were ballerinas in the pride fighting championship.
Obviously, this rally needs to be in S.E. Washington DC
Obviously, this rally needs to be in S.E. Washington DC
| TheVampire | 09-20-2004 06:50 PM |
[QUOTE=outback2.5HO]The Wild West International Rally [url]www.wildwestrally.com[/url] is sanctioned by FIA as well as SCCA.
That is "test" to see if we can get a WRC event over here, and how it would go. The FIA rules are a little different than SCCA's, but the entire event went very smoothly. Lots of FIA stewards out there taking notes and keeping tabs on how things were going.
Wild West is run in the same area and some of the same roads that the Olympus Rally (WRC) of the 80's was run. Chances are if there were going to be a WRC event, it would be up there. All of the facilities, great volunteers, die hard rally fans, great roads, and some good local talent too. :)
Laughlin, Nv. might be another potential area that could host a WRC event, as they are already holding an International Rally there as well.
It might be closer than you think in the US, until then there's Mexico... :D[/QUOTE]
Saw the wild west rally page. At least a Subaru won it! :banana:
Unfortunatly, it's not tarmac. sigh...
That is "test" to see if we can get a WRC event over here, and how it would go. The FIA rules are a little different than SCCA's, but the entire event went very smoothly. Lots of FIA stewards out there taking notes and keeping tabs on how things were going.
Wild West is run in the same area and some of the same roads that the Olympus Rally (WRC) of the 80's was run. Chances are if there were going to be a WRC event, it would be up there. All of the facilities, great volunteers, die hard rally fans, great roads, and some good local talent too. :)
Laughlin, Nv. might be another potential area that could host a WRC event, as they are already holding an International Rally there as well.
It might be closer than you think in the US, until then there's Mexico... :D[/QUOTE]
Saw the wild west rally page. At least a Subaru won it! :banana:
Unfortunatly, it's not tarmac. sigh...
| outback2.5HO | 09-20-2004 07:18 PM |
A Subaru did win it (Paul Eklund, Primitive Racing), and actually 4 out 5 of the top finishers were in Subarus too. The other was an Evo..
Even though it wasn't tarmac, it still has some of the best gravel roads in the US. Not enough tarmac rallies at all in the US. Hopefully that will change.
Even though it wasn't tarmac, it still has some of the best gravel roads in the US. Not enough tarmac rallies at all in the US. Hopefully that will change.
| Mopho | 09-20-2004 07:52 PM |
FYI Charlevoix and Rally Quebec are Defunct so they are not going to be getting a WRC. Even if they come back they will not be in a position to pull it off. While they were both great rallies, they were not even in the same league in terms of organization as the Corona Rally Mexico. Charlevoix does not have the infrastructure to support a WRC either.
Wild West has practically no chance of becoming a WRC (unless they get a huge influx of money and new organizers), the fact that it is FIA sanctioned does not mean much. Last year the FIA observers were furious that they wasted their time observing the event ( I talked to them personally). WW was removed from the US national schedule after that episode. (and some other political BS)
IMO The only way a WRC event could ever happen in the US is if some outside organization (not SCCA) with a lot of money and a lot of experience came in and started a rally from scratch.
Mexico is much more interesting place for a rally than the US and it will cost you the same kind of money to go down and see it as it would here.
Corona Rally Mexico is Amazing!!!!
Wild West has practically no chance of becoming a WRC (unless they get a huge influx of money and new organizers), the fact that it is FIA sanctioned does not mean much. Last year the FIA observers were furious that they wasted their time observing the event ( I talked to them personally). WW was removed from the US national schedule after that episode. (and some other political BS)
IMO The only way a WRC event could ever happen in the US is if some outside organization (not SCCA) with a lot of money and a lot of experience came in and started a rally from scratch.
Mexico is much more interesting place for a rally than the US and it will cost you the same kind of money to go down and see it as it would here.
Corona Rally Mexico is Amazing!!!!
| Rallycarperson | 09-20-2004 08:46 PM |
I talked to Colin Mcrae and Malcom Willson in 99'. They said they looked into it and were very interested. But, that was years ago, and it looks like they didnt do much. :(
What ever happened to that rumor of a WRC in Chatanooga, TN??
-Mark
[url="http://www.MAPmotors.com"]www.MAPmotors.com[/url]
What ever happened to that rumor of a WRC in Chatanooga, TN??
-Mark
[url="http://www.MAPmotors.com"]www.MAPmotors.com[/url]
| Rebellion | 09-21-2004 09:01 AM |
Chattanooga? Is that Cherokee Trails? After the way the Forest Service handled that event, I highly doubt that would EVER be considered for a WRC event.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 09-21-2004 09:25 AM |
our roads here are too long and open for tarmac.
i say take em to the soft plyable dirt of moab, nice beatifully red dirt. and watch one of the fastest rallies on the books.
moab dirt is the funnest i've ever driven on. :)
i would rather have one for the east and west ideally, this country is too big to go all the way to the other end for a race.
i say take em to the soft plyable dirt of moab, nice beatifully red dirt. and watch one of the fastest rallies on the books.
moab dirt is the funnest i've ever driven on. :)
i would rather have one for the east and west ideally, this country is too big to go all the way to the other end for a race.
| Bonzo | 09-21-2004 09:36 AM |
Tamac? Bahhhhh.
Gravel all the way. Out west has wide open spaces and lotsa roads. I personally know of hundreds of miles and of gravel and pavement in a national forest just north of me.
Gravel all the way. Out west has wide open spaces and lotsa roads. I personally know of hundreds of miles and of gravel and pavement in a national forest just north of me.
| ANZAC_1915 | 09-21-2004 10:34 AM |
[QUOTE=outback2.5HO]Laughlin, Nv. might be another potential area that could host a WRC event, as they are already holding an International Rally there as well.
[/QUOTE]
Laughlin is the armpit of the universe.
[/QUOTE]
Laughlin is the armpit of the universe.
| Ananda | 09-23-2004 03:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]
Wild West has practically no chance of becoming a WRC (unless they get a huge influx of money and new organizers), the fact that it is FIA sanctioned does not mean much. Last year the FIA observers were furious that they wasted their time observing the event ( I talked to them personally). WW was removed from the US national schedule after that episode. (and some other political BS)
IMO The only way a WRC event could ever happen in the US is if some outside organization (not SCCA) with a lot of money and a lot of experience came in and started a rally from scratch.
Mexico is much more interesting place for a rally than the US and it will cost you the same kind of money to go down and see it as it would here.
Corona Rally Mexico is Amazing!!!![/QUOTE]
One half of the problems was actually caused by the FIA observers from what I saw. They created a separate time card without notifying the competitors thru a drivers bulletin.
The other half was caused by a suspension of the clubrally program that helped pay for the Wild West Prorally and a mandatory fire schedule.
The volunteers up here are more and more familiar with FIA rules and timecards. And the rally organizers are professionalizing their group to attract more sponsors as well as impress the future FIA observers.
If you have access to FIA observers, try talking with them again regarding the last Wild West rally. I think you may get a more positive opinion.
I know WRC would love to have an event in the USA. But they are worried about the culture of litigation. That view can be overcome if a location in the US builds the necessary infrastructure to house WRC command stations, service areas, and transportation. It is much like trying to prepare for the Olympics.
The Seattle area has some possible buildings in place... the rally organizers just have to get permission.
The other obstacle is to get a $20 million budget in place before you can approach WRC. That means the rally organizers have to get a paid staff dedicated to attracting that sponsorship first.
Wild West has practically no chance of becoming a WRC (unless they get a huge influx of money and new organizers), the fact that it is FIA sanctioned does not mean much. Last year the FIA observers were furious that they wasted their time observing the event ( I talked to them personally). WW was removed from the US national schedule after that episode. (and some other political BS)
IMO The only way a WRC event could ever happen in the US is if some outside organization (not SCCA) with a lot of money and a lot of experience came in and started a rally from scratch.
Mexico is much more interesting place for a rally than the US and it will cost you the same kind of money to go down and see it as it would here.
Corona Rally Mexico is Amazing!!!![/QUOTE]
One half of the problems was actually caused by the FIA observers from what I saw. They created a separate time card without notifying the competitors thru a drivers bulletin.
The other half was caused by a suspension of the clubrally program that helped pay for the Wild West Prorally and a mandatory fire schedule.
The volunteers up here are more and more familiar with FIA rules and timecards. And the rally organizers are professionalizing their group to attract more sponsors as well as impress the future FIA observers.
If you have access to FIA observers, try talking with them again regarding the last Wild West rally. I think you may get a more positive opinion.
I know WRC would love to have an event in the USA. But they are worried about the culture of litigation. That view can be overcome if a location in the US builds the necessary infrastructure to house WRC command stations, service areas, and transportation. It is much like trying to prepare for the Olympics.
The Seattle area has some possible buildings in place... the rally organizers just have to get permission.
The other obstacle is to get a $20 million budget in place before you can approach WRC. That means the rally organizers have to get a paid staff dedicated to attracting that sponsorship first.
| Capt Crunch | 09-23-2004 08:32 PM |
I think they should have SS1 in my hometown on Farifax Station Rd. God that road is sweet.
| brentlz | 09-24-2004 01:33 AM |
After working Laughlin, Rim, Prescott, & Quartzsite rallies the past years, I'd hazard that Laughlin & Rim would be towards the top of the list of potential WRC USA events...Very dedicated organizers & staff at both events(many the same folk's). My thoughts are that Rim has the most potential...especially if the HQ would move down into LA instead of Lancaster/Palmdale. The long transits for Laughlin would kill it IMO: 99% of the racing is over here in AZ. FWIW "Hollywood" (AKA Petter Solberg) seemed to have a good time at Rim a few years back ;)
Brent.
Brent.
| RacingBlue | 09-24-2004 09:15 AM |
I just drove through the (NEW RIM) New Anteleope Valley Fairgrounds yesterday. They have added more tarmac parking, landscaping, grass for tent camping, Two roofed and fully ceiling illuminated stock exhibit halls with no sides, full cement floor. These are huge with no obstructions. Fantastic if used for covered pit area for service breaks. They seem to be adding more stuff every day to this location. The Special Stage area has also had a number of improvements added. Should be even better in '05.
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