| trhoppe | 08-02-2004 03:19 PM |
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Good job Mr. Sortor kicking ass in STX once again. Too bad there aren't any WRXs to give you some more competition over there on the other coast :)
How far did you get in the Honda/Super challenge?
I noticed Billy Brooks seemed to be a bit off his usual pace though??
-Tom
How far did you get in the Honda/Super challenge?
I noticed Billy Brooks seemed to be a bit off his usual pace though??
-Tom
| angryfist | 08-02-2004 03:28 PM |
i know billy was running the 17's on his car which he usually doesnt. they are a lot slower in the Pro's than his 16's.
-Jason
-Jason
| Corey | 08-02-2004 03:33 PM |
Jason, why was he running the 17's? Last time he and I talked, I thought we both agreed that they were slower. He figured he would give them one last try?
Corey #89 STS
Corey #89 STS
| zzyzx | 08-02-2004 03:40 PM |
Shh. He was in STX to prove a point, remember? ;)
| trhoppe | 08-02-2004 03:50 PM |
:lol: Josh did a lot more to prove any points then billy. He wooped STS by almost 2 secs ;)
-Tom
-Tom
| Jaxx | 08-02-2004 08:55 PM |
do you mean whendove[b]r[/b]?
| WRX_Mundi | 08-02-2004 09:11 PM |
Not many Subarus at the event -- Noah's wagon in SM (against Vic's M3 which ate my STi [i]alive[/i] on a practice start), Brooks and Sorter in STX which I didn't even get to watch :mad:, Karen Kraus in an STS RS, and my STi in ESP. I got some comments from the Evo guys that they were happy to finally see an STi show up -- in Idaho we get lots of STi's but never any Evos.
Unfortunately, while I think I drove reasonably well (I beat the next fastest rookie by 2 seconds in indexed time) and did fine compared to my local competition, I got spanked big-time, as I rather expected. Obviously as this is only my second year autocrossing my driving could be much better (as seen by Joshua beating my combined time, when obviously an STi on Hoosiers should be seriously outpacing a WRX on street tires, regardless of suspension and other stuff). It was a lot of fun watching the good drivers on course.
I did feel [i]seriously[/i] under-tired in my class. I got new 225/45-17 Hoosier A3S04's since they were out of the 245/40-17 Ecstas. The afternoon before I left I found out they bloody don't fit the car! They rub the strut on the inside, where the 245/40 Kumhos on the 8.5" SSRs had a finger width of room. Some spacers solved it, but they are really too big. The other 10 people in the class had 275 through 335 tires, either Hoosiers or (the Camaros) V710s. They were all surprised to see my little tires sticking out of the fenders. I guess big huge fender flares might be in my future since I need (ahem, want) about 2-3 inches more space.
The other thing I found was that neither the two Evos nor my car were able to get any wheel-spin at the start at all. They'd launch at red-line with the rev-limiter going and while it was fast, it did bog a bit. I'd launch mine between 5000 and 6000 RPM and narry a hint of wheel-spin. I got a single 1.9 60' time with a bunch of 2.0s (and a few 2.2s). The Camaros were, I believe, getting something like 2.2. They were not only losing little to no time at the start, but they were definitely faster than our cars down the straight. I don't have any ECU changes and just a TBE so this isn't too surprising, though Navid/Joe's car should have a bit more. Still, at 4000 feet you'd think the turbo would help a bit -- certainly nothing like the sccaforums cry of less weight and more power to boot.
I don't like the lights -- I'm not consistent enough yet, even after 12 practice starts and the 12 regular starts. After two red-lights on my best runs on Saturday, I decided on Sunday that I would give it more time and just concentrate on the course. I got 0.7+ reaction times, but I bettered my course times by half a second on each side. Still a second out of 7th place and 3.5 seconds off the leader (admittedly Conor would have been 3rd in SM so they were really flying).
Regardless, I had a lot of fun on the course and off. Joe and Navid were nice to meet, and the Botkins were friendly. Poor Scott Brown got bumped from FS, so he kept getting paired against me. Not his choice of cars to run against!
Unfortunately, while I think I drove reasonably well (I beat the next fastest rookie by 2 seconds in indexed time) and did fine compared to my local competition, I got spanked big-time, as I rather expected. Obviously as this is only my second year autocrossing my driving could be much better (as seen by Joshua beating my combined time, when obviously an STi on Hoosiers should be seriously outpacing a WRX on street tires, regardless of suspension and other stuff). It was a lot of fun watching the good drivers on course.
I did feel [i]seriously[/i] under-tired in my class. I got new 225/45-17 Hoosier A3S04's since they were out of the 245/40-17 Ecstas. The afternoon before I left I found out they bloody don't fit the car! They rub the strut on the inside, where the 245/40 Kumhos on the 8.5" SSRs had a finger width of room. Some spacers solved it, but they are really too big. The other 10 people in the class had 275 through 335 tires, either Hoosiers or (the Camaros) V710s. They were all surprised to see my little tires sticking out of the fenders. I guess big huge fender flares might be in my future since I need (ahem, want) about 2-3 inches more space.
The other thing I found was that neither the two Evos nor my car were able to get any wheel-spin at the start at all. They'd launch at red-line with the rev-limiter going and while it was fast, it did bog a bit. I'd launch mine between 5000 and 6000 RPM and narry a hint of wheel-spin. I got a single 1.9 60' time with a bunch of 2.0s (and a few 2.2s). The Camaros were, I believe, getting something like 2.2. They were not only losing little to no time at the start, but they were definitely faster than our cars down the straight. I don't have any ECU changes and just a TBE so this isn't too surprising, though Navid/Joe's car should have a bit more. Still, at 4000 feet you'd think the turbo would help a bit -- certainly nothing like the sccaforums cry of less weight and more power to boot.
I don't like the lights -- I'm not consistent enough yet, even after 12 practice starts and the 12 regular starts. After two red-lights on my best runs on Saturday, I decided on Sunday that I would give it more time and just concentrate on the course. I got 0.7+ reaction times, but I bettered my course times by half a second on each side. Still a second out of 7th place and 3.5 seconds off the leader (admittedly Conor would have been 3rd in SM so they were really flying).
Regardless, I had a lot of fun on the course and off. Joe and Navid were nice to meet, and the Botkins were friendly. Poor Scott Brown got bumped from FS, so he kept getting paired against me. Not his choice of cars to run against!
| WRX_Mundi | 08-02-2004 09:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Jaxx]do you mean whendove[b]r[/b]?[/QUOTE]I believe the Utah pronunciation is [b]Bendover[/b]. :devil:
| angryfist | 08-02-2004 10:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Corey]Jason, why was he running the 17's? Last time he and I talked, I thought we both agreed that they were slower. He figured he would give them one last try?
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
he drove the car down there on the 17's and didnt bring the 16's with him. he didnt trailer down. he will be back on the 16's for Peru.
-Jason
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
he drove the car down there on the 17's and didnt bring the 16's with him. he didnt trailer down. he will be back on the 16's for Peru.
-Jason
| zzyzx | 08-03-2004 12:22 AM |
[QUOTE=WRX_Mundi]The afternoon before I left I found out they bloody don't fit the car! They rub the strut on the inside, where the 245/40 Kumhos on the 8.5" SSRs had a finger width of room. Some spacers solved it, but they are really too big.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, 225s are like bicycle tires when you're in ESP.
I don't know what is causing the clearance issue, but I know for a fact that you can run 245/40-17 Hoosier A3S04s on the stock STi wheels w/o an issue at all on the stock struts. Either you have an offset issue or your coilovers are just wrong :(
You wouldn't have that issue on the coilovers I designed. :)
- Steve Sulatycki
[URL="zzyzxmotorsports.com"]Zzyzx Motorsports[/URL]
Yeah, 225s are like bicycle tires when you're in ESP.
I don't know what is causing the clearance issue, but I know for a fact that you can run 245/40-17 Hoosier A3S04s on the stock STi wheels w/o an issue at all on the stock struts. Either you have an offset issue or your coilovers are just wrong :(
You wouldn't have that issue on the coilovers I designed. :)
- Steve Sulatycki
[URL="zzyzxmotorsports.com"]Zzyzx Motorsports[/URL]
| bbimpreza | 08-03-2004 12:24 AM |
Congratulations to Josh. He is a great driver. I decided to run on the 17s because I did not believe I would have enough tire left to run the 16s through Topeka. The extra tire sure helped out with the high speeds of the course, but were terrible at the starts. I definitely lost a lot of time there. The course was a blast and super fast. I think it was faster than Toledo. I was in mid third gear up until the cross over, and the brakes were only used at the point of the course. The rest of the course was full throttle with slight lifting to get the car to rotate. Quite a hoot. Congrates again to everyone that competed.
| WRX_Mundi | 08-03-2004 02:27 AM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]Yeah, 225s are like bicycle tires when you're in ESP.
I don't know what is causing the clearance issue, but I know for a fact that you can run 245/40-17 Hoosier A3S04s on the stock STi wheels w/o an issue at all on the stock struts. Either you have an offset issue or your coilovers are just wrong :([/quote]Stock struts, pink springs. SSR Competition 17x8.5" wheels, 48mm offset vs. the 53mm stock wheels.
If I understand offset correctly and my math is right, the 17x8.5 SSR wheel extends an extra 0.3 inches toward the inside and 0.7 inches toward the outside. This obviously makes a big difference in clearance. I suppose I could put big tires on my 17x7.5 Rotas. But that's just hiding the issue (e.g. when asked what wheel by one of the Evo drivers he asked if I was using a 9.5" or just a 9" wheel).
I assume the reason the 245's clear with the stock wheels is both the farther inside initial point and being pulled in more by the smaller wheel. Since a 0.3" spacer solved the inside clearance on my larger wheel, that means the stock wheel should have no issues (it's the "rim guard" that was hitting, not the tire top), and I imagine the outside is pretty similar. Which is the better choice to run? Obviously best is the wider tire [i]and[/i] the wider wheel, which is what the other cars get to do.
I don't know what is causing the clearance issue, but I know for a fact that you can run 245/40-17 Hoosier A3S04s on the stock STi wheels w/o an issue at all on the stock struts. Either you have an offset issue or your coilovers are just wrong :([/quote]Stock struts, pink springs. SSR Competition 17x8.5" wheels, 48mm offset vs. the 53mm stock wheels.
If I understand offset correctly and my math is right, the 17x8.5 SSR wheel extends an extra 0.3 inches toward the inside and 0.7 inches toward the outside. This obviously makes a big difference in clearance. I suppose I could put big tires on my 17x7.5 Rotas. But that's just hiding the issue (e.g. when asked what wheel by one of the Evo drivers he asked if I was using a 9.5" or just a 9" wheel).
I assume the reason the 245's clear with the stock wheels is both the farther inside initial point and being pulled in more by the smaller wheel. Since a 0.3" spacer solved the inside clearance on my larger wheel, that means the stock wheel should have no issues (it's the "rim guard" that was hitting, not the tire top), and I imagine the outside is pretty similar. Which is the better choice to run? Obviously best is the wider tire [i]and[/i] the wider wheel, which is what the other cars get to do.
| Jsortor | 08-03-2004 09:08 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Good job Mr. Sortor kicking ass in STX once again. Too bad there aren't any WRXs to give you some more competition over there on the other coast :)
How far did you get in the Honda/Super challenge?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
You will be happy to know that my Super challenge was a complete disaster. 2nd qualifier, and I "bagged" during my runs (could have done high 37's) so I would be set up to do well in the challenge. Well, I caught only my second cone of the weekend on my second side during my first pairing. :mad: This should only bump my Super points 1 or 2 because of second q points, and my Honda points went no where with another third place finish. Thomason finished first in Honda points and Sias was second. Should put Thomason in the lead, or close.. On a brighter note, I dont get much practice on concrete and learned a lot at this event that should help at Topeka. I would have liked to have had a bigger points gap, but it looks like I am just going to have to win the challenge at Topeka to take it all. :lol:
How far did you get in the Honda/Super challenge?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
You will be happy to know that my Super challenge was a complete disaster. 2nd qualifier, and I "bagged" during my runs (could have done high 37's) so I would be set up to do well in the challenge. Well, I caught only my second cone of the weekend on my second side during my first pairing. :mad: This should only bump my Super points 1 or 2 because of second q points, and my Honda points went no where with another third place finish. Thomason finished first in Honda points and Sias was second. Should put Thomason in the lead, or close.. On a brighter note, I dont get much practice on concrete and learned a lot at this event that should help at Topeka. I would have liked to have had a bigger points gap, but it looks like I am just going to have to win the challenge at Topeka to take it all. :lol:
| jbrennen | 08-03-2004 09:15 AM |
[QUOTE=WRX_Mundi]The other thing I found was that neither the two Evos nor my car were able to get any wheel-spin at the start at all. They'd launch at red-line with the rev-limiter going and while it was fast, it did bog a bit. I'd launch mine between 5000 and 6000 RPM and narry a hint of wheel-spin. I got a single 1.9 60' time with a bunch of 2.0s (and a few 2.2s). The Camaros were, I believe, getting something like 2.2. They were not only losing little to no time at the start, but they were definitely faster than our cars down the straight. I don't have any ECU changes and just a TBE so this isn't too surprising, though Navid/Joe's car should have a bit more. Still, at 4000 feet you'd think the turbo would help a bit -- certainly nothing like the sccaforums cry of less weight and more power to boot.[/QUOTE]
That seems a bit surprising that the AWD turbos were lamenting a lack of wheel-spin. Of course, I wasn't there, so I don't know the start layout or how much traction there was... If Sias was running away from you, sounds like there was a ton of traction. Not exactly primo conditions for AWD -- we like it slippery, you know... But an ESP Evo on wide Hoosiers should be capable of running 1.7/1.8 60' times with no wheelspin at all -- although I guess it might be hard if they're running a very "grabby" clutch.
Don't sweat the 0.7 RTs. If you aim for 0.7, at least you won't redlight away your best run like I did in Oscoda, with a heartbreaking 0.498 RT. When you aim for 5's, occasionally you hit a 4. :furious:
That seems a bit surprising that the AWD turbos were lamenting a lack of wheel-spin. Of course, I wasn't there, so I don't know the start layout or how much traction there was... If Sias was running away from you, sounds like there was a ton of traction. Not exactly primo conditions for AWD -- we like it slippery, you know... But an ESP Evo on wide Hoosiers should be capable of running 1.7/1.8 60' times with no wheelspin at all -- although I guess it might be hard if they're running a very "grabby" clutch.
Don't sweat the 0.7 RTs. If you aim for 0.7, at least you won't redlight away your best run like I did in Oscoda, with a heartbreaking 0.498 RT. When you aim for 5's, occasionally you hit a 4. :furious:
| Jsortor | 08-03-2004 09:19 AM |
[QUOTE=jbrennen]That seems a bit surprising that the AWD turbos were lamenting a lack of wheel-spin. Of course, I wasn't there, so I don't know the start layout or how much traction there was... If Sias was running away from you, sounds like there was a ton of traction. [/QUOTE]
Everybody I talked to said that this surface is virtually identical to Topeka North. Only all the concrete squares were level (no jumps)
Everybody I talked to said that this surface is virtually identical to Topeka North. Only all the concrete squares were level (no jumps)
| trhoppe | 08-03-2004 09:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]You will be happy to know that my Super challenge was a complete disaster. 2nd qualifier, and I "bagged" during my runs (could have done high 37's) so I would be set up to do well in the challenge. Well, I caught only my second cone of the weekend on my second side during my first pairing. :mad: This should only bump my Super points 1 or 2 because of second q points, and my Honda points went no where with another third place finish. Thomason finished first in Honda points and Sias was second. Should put Thomason in the lead, or close.. On a brighter note, I dont get much practice on concrete and learned a lot at this event that should help at Topeka. I would have liked to have had a bigger points gap, but it looks like I am just going to have to win the challenge at Topeka to take it all. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Wow, if you would have gone high 37s thats INSANE fast compared to other classes. Holy schmoley. Sucks (for you :lol: ) on the challenge results. Thomason will still be 2nd behind you (1st 1st 4th to your 1st 1st 3rd) but I'm coming after you boys in Peru. What do you mean by "bigger points gap" though ;) After peru we *should* be tied for 1st in STX and I'll have the lead in honda challenge :lol: :lol: :devil:
Even as we sit right now before Peru, the winner in topeka takes all ;)
-Tom
Wow, if you would have gone high 37s thats INSANE fast compared to other classes. Holy schmoley. Sucks (for you :lol: ) on the challenge results. Thomason will still be 2nd behind you (1st 1st 4th to your 1st 1st 3rd) but I'm coming after you boys in Peru. What do you mean by "bigger points gap" though ;) After peru we *should* be tied for 1st in STX and I'll have the lead in honda challenge :lol: :lol: :devil:
Even as we sit right now before Peru, the winner in topeka takes all ;)
-Tom
| zzyzx | 08-03-2004 11:21 AM |
[QUOTE=WRX_Mundi]Stock struts, pink springs. SSR Competition 17x8.5" wheels, 48mm offset vs. the 53mm stock wheels.
[/QUOTE]
That offset is too high for a 8.5" wheel with the stock struts. However, with it being too high at least you can run spacers like you did. You didn't mention whether it cleared the fender lip, but given your offset, I'm assuming that wasn't an issue. An 8.5" width wheel is not an issue if it's the correct offset and/or use of spacers puts it at the right offset.
The real setup to run though is a 285/30-18 on a nice 18x10 wheel. :devil:
- Steve Sulatycki
[URL="zzyzxmotorsports.com"]Zzyzx Motorsports[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
That offset is too high for a 8.5" wheel with the stock struts. However, with it being too high at least you can run spacers like you did. You didn't mention whether it cleared the fender lip, but given your offset, I'm assuming that wasn't an issue. An 8.5" width wheel is not an issue if it's the correct offset and/or use of spacers puts it at the right offset.
The real setup to run though is a 285/30-18 on a nice 18x10 wheel. :devil:
- Steve Sulatycki
[URL="zzyzxmotorsports.com"]Zzyzx Motorsports[/URL]
| Corey | 08-03-2004 11:31 AM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]2nd qualifier, and I "bagged" during my runs (could have done high 37's) so I would be set up to do well in the challenge.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I was looking at the results and it shows serious "bagging"... I just didn't want to come out and ask.
Corey #89 STS/X
Yea, I was looking at the results and it shows serious "bagging"... I just didn't want to come out and ask.
Corey #89 STS/X
| Jsortor | 08-03-2004 11:49 AM |
[QUOTE=Corey]Yea, I was looking at the results and it shows serious "bagging"... I just didn't want to come out and ask.
Corey #89 STS/X[/QUOTE]
I've heard of competitors getting angry about other people bagging and finding it insulting maybe. IMO, this is national competition and any advatage a competitor can gain seems perfectly fine to me.
Corey #89 STS/X[/QUOTE]
I've heard of competitors getting angry about other people bagging and finding it insulting maybe. IMO, this is national competition and any advatage a competitor can gain seems perfectly fine to me.
| trhoppe | 08-03-2004 11:52 AM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]I've heard of competitors getting angry about other people bagging and finding it insulting maybe. IMO, this is national competition and any advatage a competitor can gain seems perfectly fine to me.[/QUOTE]
I think there a few people that are "sensitive" about it and I have a feeling Corey didn't want to hit any nerves ;)
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom
I think there a few people that are "sensitive" about it and I have a feeling Corey didn't want to hit any nerves ;)
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom
| Jsortor | 08-03-2004 11:59 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I think there a few people that are "sensitive" about it and I have a feeling Corey didn't want to hit any nerves ;)
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Yup, just part of the game! :banana:
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Yup, just part of the game! :banana:
| jbrennen | 08-03-2004 12:01 PM |
I don't know, I'm kind of new to ProSolo, having only started this year, but I sort of [b]expect[/b] sandbagging when appropriate.
In DC, Matt Braun was the last competitor to run in SM (the only 2nd driver), and had the class win firmly in hand before his final run. I was sitting about 0.8 seconds behind, and figured that I would make the Challenge because he would sandbag the final run... I was a bit surprised to see him actually [b]not[/b] sandbag, and he dropped another 0.5 seconds on his final run. At first I was a little perturbed that he knocked me out of the Challenge, but when I found out later that his last run moved him up to eighth qualifier (prize money), I couldn't stay mad at him... Well, that and the fact that he's just a nice guy. :)
In DC, Matt Braun was the last competitor to run in SM (the only 2nd driver), and had the class win firmly in hand before his final run. I was sitting about 0.8 seconds behind, and figured that I would make the Challenge because he would sandbag the final run... I was a bit surprised to see him actually [b]not[/b] sandbag, and he dropped another 0.5 seconds on his final run. At first I was a little perturbed that he knocked me out of the Challenge, but when I found out later that his last run moved him up to eighth qualifier (prize money), I couldn't stay mad at him... Well, that and the fact that he's just a nice guy. :)
| WRX_Mundi | 08-03-2004 12:40 PM |
[QUOTE=jbrennen]That seems a bit surprising that the AWD turbos were lamenting a lack of wheel-spin. Of course, I wasn't there, so I don't know the start layout or how much traction there was... If Sias was running away from you, sounds like there was a ton of traction. Not exactly primo conditions for AWD -- we like it slippery, you know... But an ESP Evo on wide Hoosiers should be capable of running 1.7/1.8 60' times with no wheelspin at all -- although I guess it might be hard if they're running a very "grabby" clutch.[/quote]I was a bit surprised at the 60' times as well, thinking they'd be lower. Regarding Sias, he has [i]far[/i] more experience at launching than I, and huge tires as well (plus gobs of HP and over 500 pounds less weight). A guy in a Cobra replica said he'd launch at 2000 rpm to get good times -- much more and he'd just spin in place. So wheel spin was possible, though it was still remarkably grippy.
Wendover is probably my least favorite surface -- very expensive on tire wear and tons of grip doesn't do AWD any help.
[quote]Don't sweat the 0.7 RTs. If you aim for 0.7, at least you won't redlight away your best run like I did in Oscoda, with a heartbreaking 0.498 RT. When you aim for 5's, occasionally you hit a 4. :furious:[/QUOTE]Yeah. After a couple 0.48x redlights on Saturday, inevitably on my best runs, I decided to give it more time. I knew I'd lose a few tenths on the start, but that's the price I pay for making my runs count. It wasn't like I was in a tight race here -- final results were 1.1s behind the person in front and 1.7s ahead of the one behind. I also remembered throughout the weekend the advice you guys gave me -- don't forget there is an autocross after the lights! For those vying for 1st place, the lights can be very important, but for me the real job is to drive well on course while not redlighting and not getting above say 0.8.
Joshua, doing 37s in STX on that course is ... wow. Awesome driving. It makes me really mad that I didn't get to see you run! Maybe next year.
Wendover is probably my least favorite surface -- very expensive on tire wear and tons of grip doesn't do AWD any help.
[quote]Don't sweat the 0.7 RTs. If you aim for 0.7, at least you won't redlight away your best run like I did in Oscoda, with a heartbreaking 0.498 RT. When you aim for 5's, occasionally you hit a 4. :furious:[/QUOTE]Yeah. After a couple 0.48x redlights on Saturday, inevitably on my best runs, I decided to give it more time. I knew I'd lose a few tenths on the start, but that's the price I pay for making my runs count. It wasn't like I was in a tight race here -- final results were 1.1s behind the person in front and 1.7s ahead of the one behind. I also remembered throughout the weekend the advice you guys gave me -- don't forget there is an autocross after the lights! For those vying for 1st place, the lights can be very important, but for me the real job is to drive well on course while not redlighting and not getting above say 0.8.
Joshua, doing 37s in STX on that course is ... wow. Awesome driving. It makes me really mad that I didn't get to see you run! Maybe next year.
| PseudoRealityX | 08-03-2004 02:29 PM |
Sandbagging is understandable. It's a tad annoying when you don't have the chance and go into the Final against someone who's got a half second on each side that he hasn't even shown so far at an event though.
Like in Oscoda, I'm not "mad" at Tom for doing it, but it's just frustrating knowing that you HAVE TO DEPEND on the other guy hitting a cone or redlighting, because you simply cannot go fast enough to beat him straight up.
Like in Oscoda, I'm not "mad" at Tom for doing it, but it's just frustrating knowing that you HAVE TO DEPEND on the other guy hitting a cone or redlighting, because you simply cannot go fast enough to beat him straight up.
| CamaroFS34 | 08-03-2004 02:50 PM |
I was surprised by the lack of Subarus at this year's event! The first year I went to Wendover, it was Subaru-City, but like Dana said, there were only a handful this year.
[i]Huge[/i] thanks to Billy for letting me drive the car again! Billy and his dad are two of the greatest guys out there, and are [i]way[/i] too generous!!! I just wish I'd been able to get by at least one of the Civics! :) Still, that 60mph slide through the finish will be one of the highlights of the weekend for sure! :D We were still talking about it Sunday night at dinner, and even now, it's bringing a big ass grin to my face! :lol:
Karen
[i]"overly optimistic"[/i]
[i]Huge[/i] thanks to Billy for letting me drive the car again! Billy and his dad are two of the greatest guys out there, and are [i]way[/i] too generous!!! I just wish I'd been able to get by at least one of the Civics! :) Still, that 60mph slide through the finish will be one of the highlights of the weekend for sure! :D We were still talking about it Sunday night at dinner, and even now, it's bringing a big ass grin to my face! :lol:
Karen
[i]"overly optimistic"[/i]
| PhilC | 08-03-2004 10:57 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I think there a few people that are "sensitive" about it and I have a feeling Corey didn't want to hit any nerves ;)
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
As one of the people who wasn't challenging you I take that personally. :lol:
Seriously though it's part of the game and it's what I expected to see you do, you had the time to spare and it helped you win the challenge. At least at Oscoda I think I know where the time was unlike Toledo where I had no clue.
Up until the last Oscoda event, I've never had an "opportunity" to sandbag, but given the chance at Oscoda I kinda did. If you have a huge lead and no one is challenging you I don't see a point in NOT sandbagging. You just have to be careful as it can bite you (ahemcoughmikekingindcandtoledocoughcough) ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
As one of the people who wasn't challenging you I take that personally. :lol:
Seriously though it's part of the game and it's what I expected to see you do, you had the time to spare and it helped you win the challenge. At least at Oscoda I think I know where the time was unlike Toledo where I had no clue.
| trhoppe | 08-03-2004 11:08 PM |
:lol:
Peru should be fun!
-Tom
Peru should be fun!
-Tom
| MNbiker | 08-04-2004 12:53 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]:lol:
Peru should be fun!
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Assuming
A) I don't drive like a complete idiot, like I did in Oscoda. :rolleyes:
B) I get my broken tow vehicle back from Iowa by then. :(
-Steve
Peru should be fun!
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Assuming
A) I don't drive like a complete idiot, like I did in Oscoda. :rolleyes:
B) I get my broken tow vehicle back from Iowa by then. :(
-Steve
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