| Call_me_Tom | 07-27-2006 09:11 PM |
What preventive maintenance needed after AutoX/HPDE?
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After you guys get home from a road course, autoX, etc what are the preventive maintenance measures that you take with your ride?
Examples, changing oil or just checking it, bleeding brakes or flushing them, adjust tire pressure, tighten down something...lugnuts perhaps, etc, etc, etc.
Examples, changing oil or just checking it, bleeding brakes or flushing them, adjust tire pressure, tighten down something...lugnuts perhaps, etc, etc, etc.
| REX8 | 07-27-2006 09:22 PM |
Torque your lugs...change the oil...tire pressures of course
As for brake fluid...for an HPDE you better swap out to some ATE, etc fluid. You'll boil it if you don't. Gonna need track pads too.
^^^Biggest thing for track days is BRAKES BRAKES BRAKES. You can have fun on crap tires and a soft suspension, but you can't have fun without brakes!
The prep for track days vs autox are pretty different. You're talking about MAYBE 5 minutes of driving vs. 1+ hours of high speed/high RPM running.
Good luck and have fun...
As for brake fluid...for an HPDE you better swap out to some ATE, etc fluid. You'll boil it if you don't. Gonna need track pads too.
^^^Biggest thing for track days is BRAKES BRAKES BRAKES. You can have fun on crap tires and a soft suspension, but you can't have fun without brakes!
The prep for track days vs autox are pretty different. You're talking about MAYBE 5 minutes of driving vs. 1+ hours of high speed/high RPM running.
Good luck and have fun...
| flyboymike | 07-27-2006 09:31 PM |
Yeah, if my car isn't safe to autocross, it's not safe on the street. Tire pressure and oil is about it, since I don't swap wheels.
| BIGSKYWRX | 07-27-2006 09:56 PM |
Post and pre track day I definitely give it a good bleed (I'm also swapping pads at the same time). I like to look everything over pretty good too- I have a torque spec check list that I can get through in about 15-20 minutes. Lug nuts I'm torquing (checking torque anyways) between every session- they will loosen. I also keep an eye on fluid levels during th day.
Tire pressures pbviously adjusted as well :)
Tire pressures pbviously adjusted as well :)
| mesa50w | 07-27-2006 10:02 PM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]Post and pre track day I definitely give it a good bleed (I'm also swapping pads at the same time). I like to look everything over pretty good too- I have a torque spec check list that I can get through in about 15-20 minutes. Lug nuts I'm torquing (checking torque anyways) between every session- they will loosen. I also keep an eye on fluid levels during th day.
Tire pressures pbviously adjusted as well :)[/QUOTE]
hey BIGSKY whats been going on? Thanks again for your help when I was picking out my rcomps and rims! When you share your torque spec check list with all of us?
Tire pressures pbviously adjusted as well :)[/QUOTE]
hey BIGSKY whats been going on? Thanks again for your help when I was picking out my rcomps and rims! When you share your torque spec check list with all of us?
| Call_me_Tom | 07-27-2006 10:09 PM |
[quote=mesa50w ]When you share your torque spec check list with all of us?[/quote]I'm sure you meant [B]would[/B] you share...
A check list would be invaluable.
A check list would be invaluable.
| tuskenraider | 07-27-2006 10:28 PM |
Tire pressures at the event(autox) site before going home.
| Mykl | 07-28-2006 09:16 AM |
You may want to consider some fresh transmission oil depending on how many miles are on what's in it.
| Call_me_Tom | 07-28-2006 01:43 PM |
I'll go ahead and start up a check list. Sense a road course demands more of your car this list will cater towards that. I'll also put a * next to an item if it pertains to both road racing and AutoX.
1. Bleed Brakes/Change Pads - Before and After*
2. Check Tire Pressure - Before, After, and During*
3. Torque Lug Nuts to Spec - Before and After*
4. Check radiator Fluid - Before
5. Check Transmission Oil - Before
6. Check Oil Level - Before and After (while at normal operating temp)
7. Check front Wheel Bearings - Before*
8. Clean front Windshield - Before and During*
9. Adjust Drivers Seat to proper position - Before*
10. Empty vehicle off all loose items - Before*
11. Check Throttle Return Spring - Before
12. Check Belts - Before
13. Ensure Battery is Secured -Before*
Input fellas?
1. Bleed Brakes/Change Pads - Before and After*
2. Check Tire Pressure - Before, After, and During*
3. Torque Lug Nuts to Spec - Before and After*
4. Check radiator Fluid - Before
5. Check Transmission Oil - Before
6. Check Oil Level - Before and After (while at normal operating temp)
7. Check front Wheel Bearings - Before*
8. Clean front Windshield - Before and During*
9. Adjust Drivers Seat to proper position - Before*
10. Empty vehicle off all loose items - Before*
11. Check Throttle Return Spring - Before
12. Check Belts - Before
13. Ensure Battery is Secured -Before*
Input fellas?
| mesa50w | 07-29-2006 12:04 AM |
[QUOTE=krazyK1371]I'm sure you meant [B]would[/B] you share...
A check list would be invaluable.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the help!
A check list would be invaluable.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the help!
| pio!pio! | 07-29-2006 12:19 AM |
check rad fluid after too (in case your head gasket starts leaking)
retq lug nuts after every session
i bleed my brakes before..and then use that fluid on the street till the next track session
inspect pad wear after a track day
retq lug nuts after every session
i bleed my brakes before..and then use that fluid on the street till the next track session
inspect pad wear after a track day
| BIGSKYWRX | 07-29-2006 12:48 AM |
Can't remember if I got this one on scoobymods or not, but this might help (I think even included wrench/socket sizes :)
[url]http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80548[/url]
[url]http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80548[/url]
| Paisan | 07-29-2006 01:35 AM |
For my HPDE car which is a nearly stock 94 Legacy Turbo....
Change Oil 1-2x a season (about 20-25 track days)
Check Oil, Coolant, Tranny Fluid before each event.
Bleed brakes every 4 or so days on track.
Replace HP+ every 4 or so days on track.
Torque Lugs before each event.
Check there is air pressure in the tires before each event, sometimes check during event.
That's about it for me.
-mike
Change Oil 1-2x a season (about 20-25 track days)
Check Oil, Coolant, Tranny Fluid before each event.
Bleed brakes every 4 or so days on track.
Replace HP+ every 4 or so days on track.
Torque Lugs before each event.
Check there is air pressure in the tires before each event, sometimes check during event.
That's about it for me.
-mike
| FromageTheDog | 08-07-2006 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]For my HPDE car which is a nearly stock 94 Legacy Turbo....
Change Oil 1-2x a season (about 20-25 track days)
Check Oil, Coolant, Tranny Fluid before each event.
Bleed brakes every 4 or so days on track.
Replace HP+ every 4 or so days on track.
Torque Lugs before each event.
Check there is air pressure in the tires before each event, sometimes check during event.
That's about it for me.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Having been told by another forum regular that I'm an idiot for tracking my car stock (at low-key HPDS[i]chool[/i] events, 7/10th max), I'm looking into what upgrades I can do before the next event (end of the month) that are in line with my experience (basically nill).
Your list looks refreshingly restrained, so I was hoping I'd get a more meaningful reply from you than this previous fellow -- basically, what should I be looking at? Aside from the basics like oils, coolant and tire pressure, would getting a set of more performance-oriented pads suffice? Or are there more items I should be looking at (braided lines, slotted rotors, brake fluid, etc.?). I'm probably looking at 3 track events a year, max.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Change Oil 1-2x a season (about 20-25 track days)
Check Oil, Coolant, Tranny Fluid before each event.
Bleed brakes every 4 or so days on track.
Replace HP+ every 4 or so days on track.
Torque Lugs before each event.
Check there is air pressure in the tires before each event, sometimes check during event.
That's about it for me.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Having been told by another forum regular that I'm an idiot for tracking my car stock (at low-key HPDS[i]chool[/i] events, 7/10th max), I'm looking into what upgrades I can do before the next event (end of the month) that are in line with my experience (basically nill).
Your list looks refreshingly restrained, so I was hoping I'd get a more meaningful reply from you than this previous fellow -- basically, what should I be looking at? Aside from the basics like oils, coolant and tire pressure, would getting a set of more performance-oriented pads suffice? Or are there more items I should be looking at (braided lines, slotted rotors, brake fluid, etc.?). I'm probably looking at 3 track events a year, max.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
| WgnWheel | 08-07-2006 02:43 PM |
^ put in some good oil, flush the brakes, add ate super blue/motul fluid, change to a slightly more aggressive pad(hawk hps is a great street pad, better than oem on track) and go have some fun!!! don't listen to people telling you not to go out with a stock car...........hpde is all about FUN and LEARNING. Upgrade the car, when you have more experience. It will make you a better driver.
| fantomrex24 | 08-08-2006 11:25 AM |
why would you be an idiot for tracking your car? i mean for 1. its your car, 2. its a great way to learn what your car can do under load, 3. it lets you see where you wanna go when you start modding it. but when i autoX, i check the tranny fluid, change the oil, check my pads, & ofcourse my tires. i need to start checking them during the event as well. but ill start next event. :banana: damn thats a happy tighter banana!
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| heet | 08-08-2006 12:53 PM |
I just started doing hpdes this year and I can tell you a couple things -
change the pads to at least HP+, my HPS pads faded badly at the end of the day
change the fluid, the valvoline synthetic at pep boys is great and cheap...
check oil level before and during the track day... my STI burned about a quart over 2 days at the track (about 4 hours on track).
after the track day, switch your pads back to oem and check oil
before the next track day, flush/bleed your brakes, check oil, and change pads to HP+
buy new tires and pads when they wear out. change oil/filter at 3k miles.
change the pads to at least HP+, my HPS pads faded badly at the end of the day
change the fluid, the valvoline synthetic at pep boys is great and cheap...
check oil level before and during the track day... my STI burned about a quart over 2 days at the track (about 4 hours on track).
after the track day, switch your pads back to oem and check oil
before the next track day, flush/bleed your brakes, check oil, and change pads to HP+
buy new tires and pads when they wear out. change oil/filter at 3k miles.
| FromageTheDog | 08-08-2006 02:55 PM |
Folks -- I really appreciate your input. I'm really quite new to this, so when someone with guru status freaked out when I asked about tracking my stock WRX (not STi), I got a little worried. In the end it probably wasn't a bad thing, since it has forced me to sit up, take notice and implement some fairly simple mods (pads and fluid) which will hopefully make this a safer event for all involved... ;)
WgnWheel -- I'll look into the Hawk HPS/HP+ pads, along with ATE/Motul fluid. On paper at least, the Motul stuff looks better (not to mention that's the brand of choice for the Subaru WRC team) -- any thoughts there? Also, with pads, folks either seem to recommend the Hawk HP+, or Carbotech Panther+. I'm leaning towards the Carbotech pads simply because they claim to be nicer to the rotors, but the Hawk stuff is much easier to find. All seems the same price-wise (for the curious: when I asked Carbotech directly, they recommended XP10/XP8 (front/rear) pads for my particular application).
fantomrex24 -- we're on the same wavelength: the reasons you stated are exactly mine. :D
heet -- thanks for the tip about oil. I'll make sure I travel with a qt or two just in case...
And a basic question -- everyone seems to recommend swapping pads specifically for the track event. Why not just leave the track pads on? Is it a matter of economics, comfort, noise, safety, all of the above?
WgnWheel -- I'll look into the Hawk HPS/HP+ pads, along with ATE/Motul fluid. On paper at least, the Motul stuff looks better (not to mention that's the brand of choice for the Subaru WRC team) -- any thoughts there? Also, with pads, folks either seem to recommend the Hawk HP+, or Carbotech Panther+. I'm leaning towards the Carbotech pads simply because they claim to be nicer to the rotors, but the Hawk stuff is much easier to find. All seems the same price-wise (for the curious: when I asked Carbotech directly, they recommended XP10/XP8 (front/rear) pads for my particular application).
fantomrex24 -- we're on the same wavelength: the reasons you stated are exactly mine. :D
heet -- thanks for the tip about oil. I'll make sure I travel with a qt or two just in case...
And a basic question -- everyone seems to recommend swapping pads specifically for the track event. Why not just leave the track pads on? Is it a matter of economics, comfort, noise, safety, all of the above?
| heet | 08-08-2006 05:14 PM |
in general track pads are noisy, dust alot, and wear rotors compared to oem/HPS. There are some who say certain track pads don't do some/all of these things but I haven't tried them...
| Kostamojen | 08-08-2006 05:56 PM |
FYI, some track day events require that you have an inspection done before the track day, and that you bring a copy of the inspection sheet to the track with you.
| FromageTheDog | 08-08-2006 06:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Kostamojen]FYI, some track day events require that you have an inspection done before the track day, and that you bring a copy of the inspection sheet to the track with you.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reminder. I notice you're in the BAIC -- I'll be going to the Thunderhill HPDS at the end of the month, and there is in fact an inspection sheet that I need to bring in the day of. I was planning on doing the inspection myself the night before; it all looks like fairly straightforward stuff.
Thanks for the reminder. I notice you're in the BAIC -- I'll be going to the Thunderhill HPDS at the end of the month, and there is in fact an inspection sheet that I need to bring in the day of. I was planning on doing the inspection myself the night before; it all looks like fairly straightforward stuff.
| WgnWheel | 08-08-2006 07:05 PM |
good for you! i only recommended hps pads, because you mentioned only doing maybe 3 events a year and figured you a)wouldn't want to swap pads back and forth b)wouldnt want to drive around on noisy, dusty pads all the time. The hp+ or Carbotechs would certainly be superior at the track, and still be daily driveable, with compromise.
As for motul/ate..........take your pick. i use both, and neither have let me down. ate is nice for the first time, because it will allow you to see when all the old fluid is bled(ate is blue in color).
As for motul/ate..........take your pick. i use both, and neither have let me down. ate is nice for the first time, because it will allow you to see when all the old fluid is bled(ate is blue in color).
| skilit | 08-08-2006 07:22 PM |
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Just wanted to subscribe to this thread as I just did my first track(HPDE) event last month and I'm definitely going to be a regular! Does Surge carry ATE/Motul? Nevermind I'll check the website :) Thanks.
| andysf | 08-08-2006 07:25 PM |
[QUOTE=FromageTheDog]
WgnWheel -- I'll look into the Hawk HPS/HP+ pads, along with ATE/Motul fluid. On paper at least, the Motul stuff looks better (not to mention that's the brand of choice for the Subaru WRC team) -- any thoughts there?
And a basic question -- everyone seems to recommend swapping pads specifically for the track event. Why not just leave the track pads on? Is it a matter of economics, comfort, noise, safety, all of the above?[/QUOTE]
You're right that the Motul fluid is better on paper, but ATE Super Blue is nearly as good, spec-wise, but A LOT less hydroscopic... meaning it absorbs less water and lasts longer... which IMO makes it a better (lower maintenance) fluid for track/street combo duty.
And you never want to leave dedicated track pads on for the street... they take a certain level of heat before they work correctly, which means you won't be able to stop until they're heated up.
WgnWheel -- I'll look into the Hawk HPS/HP+ pads, along with ATE/Motul fluid. On paper at least, the Motul stuff looks better (not to mention that's the brand of choice for the Subaru WRC team) -- any thoughts there?
And a basic question -- everyone seems to recommend swapping pads specifically for the track event. Why not just leave the track pads on? Is it a matter of economics, comfort, noise, safety, all of the above?[/QUOTE]
You're right that the Motul fluid is better on paper, but ATE Super Blue is nearly as good, spec-wise, but A LOT less hydroscopic... meaning it absorbs less water and lasts longer... which IMO makes it a better (lower maintenance) fluid for track/street combo duty.
And you never want to leave dedicated track pads on for the street... they take a certain level of heat before they work correctly, which means you won't be able to stop until they're heated up.
| Kostamojen | 08-08-2006 11:19 PM |
I'd run my street pads on a track day, but my car doesnt weighs ~500lbs less than a WRX :p
[QUOTE=FromageTheDog]Thanks for the reminder. I notice you're in the BAIC -- I'll be going to the Thunderhill HPDS at the end of the month, and there is in fact an inspection sheet that I need to bring in the day of. I was planning on doing the inspection myself the night before; it all looks like fairly straightforward stuff.[/QUOTE]
The one I went to at Thunderhill required the sheet done before hand by a shop. Are they doing on site inspections at your event? (it kind of depends on the organizers of the event I believe, along with the specific track regulations)
[QUOTE=FromageTheDog]Thanks for the reminder. I notice you're in the BAIC -- I'll be going to the Thunderhill HPDS at the end of the month, and there is in fact an inspection sheet that I need to bring in the day of. I was planning on doing the inspection myself the night before; it all looks like fairly straightforward stuff.[/QUOTE]
The one I went to at Thunderhill required the sheet done before hand by a shop. Are they doing on site inspections at your event? (it kind of depends on the organizers of the event I believe, along with the specific track regulations)
| HighLife | 08-09-2006 12:42 AM |
My track chores for my GC8 WRX which is basically stock (TBE and minor suspension/brake mods):
1. Change oil(full synth racing oil) after at least every 2 events.
2. Bleed brakes before an event(after as well if required)
3. Check coolant level and gearbox oil.
4 Tyre pressures (before - after warm up - then after each session whilst still hot)
Our track meets in Aust appear to be a little more strict, we have scrutineering before each event where the car is inspected by track officials for certain safety criteria before they will allow you on the track ie. we must have all loose objects removed from the car(jack, spare wheel, floor mats, anything in the glovebox etc.), we must have all forward facing glass covered with clear plastic film and up until recently we had to have a secondary bonnet restraint system.
We run a "Standard" WRX class in our championship in which the car has to be stock standard to be eligible - there is no problem taking a stock car onto the race track. It gets to me how some people have the excuse that they have to do certain mods to their car befoer they can take it on the track. These people generally get to the track and then are put to shame by the lap times of the guys in standard class. Its better to have a slow car and make it lap quick then to have a fast car and be beaten by a slower car!
1. Change oil(full synth racing oil) after at least every 2 events.
2. Bleed brakes before an event(after as well if required)
3. Check coolant level and gearbox oil.
4 Tyre pressures (before - after warm up - then after each session whilst still hot)
Our track meets in Aust appear to be a little more strict, we have scrutineering before each event where the car is inspected by track officials for certain safety criteria before they will allow you on the track ie. we must have all loose objects removed from the car(jack, spare wheel, floor mats, anything in the glovebox etc.), we must have all forward facing glass covered with clear plastic film and up until recently we had to have a secondary bonnet restraint system.
We run a "Standard" WRX class in our championship in which the car has to be stock standard to be eligible - there is no problem taking a stock car onto the race track. It gets to me how some people have the excuse that they have to do certain mods to their car befoer they can take it on the track. These people generally get to the track and then are put to shame by the lap times of the guys in standard class. Its better to have a slow car and make it lap quick then to have a fast car and be beaten by a slower car!
| FromageTheDog | 08-09-2006 05:28 PM |
Re: post-maintenance: when swapping pads back and forth, I see in the factory service manual that they suggest using "Molykote" on the pad guides and backing plate. Does anyone have any recommended brand for this sort of thing?
So for the record -- I gave Thunderhill a call and asked if the pre-inspection for their HPDS ([url]http://www.thunderhillhpds.com/[/url]) had to be done by a professional shop. The answer was no -- you're totally welcome to DIY, if you are able.
So for the record -- I gave Thunderhill a call and asked if the pre-inspection for their HPDS ([url]http://www.thunderhillhpds.com/[/url]) had to be done by a professional shop. The answer was no -- you're totally welcome to DIY, if you are able.
| Call_me_Tom | 08-09-2006 11:26 PM |
updated the check list in post 9
anymore input?
anymore input?
| Paisan | 08-09-2006 11:52 PM |
[QUOTE=HighLife]
We run a "Standard" WRX class in our championship in which the car has to be stock standard to be eligible - there is no problem taking a stock car onto the race track. It gets to me how some people have the excuse that they have to do certain mods to their car befoer they can take it on the track. These people generally get to the track and then are put to shame by the lap times of the guys in standard class. Its better to have a slow car and make it lap quick then to have a fast car and be beaten by a slower car![/QUOTE]
Can't preach how true this is. I've shown up to the track in anything and everything. Started with my bone-stock 1992 SVX with 80k miles. Moved to a 1996 Impreza L w/AT which I eventually converted to a race car but still nearly stock. Then I started using my 1994 Legacy Turbo, started stock w/RE92s and all in fact 2 days after it was delivered from TX to me I took it to Summit for an HPDE with 100k miles. This is now my track-only car still running nearly stock (brake, rims, tires, Turbo-back, coilovers) and it embarasses a lot of cars out there. :)
-mike
We run a "Standard" WRX class in our championship in which the car has to be stock standard to be eligible - there is no problem taking a stock car onto the race track. It gets to me how some people have the excuse that they have to do certain mods to their car befoer they can take it on the track. These people generally get to the track and then are put to shame by the lap times of the guys in standard class. Its better to have a slow car and make it lap quick then to have a fast car and be beaten by a slower car![/QUOTE]
Can't preach how true this is. I've shown up to the track in anything and everything. Started with my bone-stock 1992 SVX with 80k miles. Moved to a 1996 Impreza L w/AT which I eventually converted to a race car but still nearly stock. Then I started using my 1994 Legacy Turbo, started stock w/RE92s and all in fact 2 days after it was delivered from TX to me I took it to Summit for an HPDE with 100k miles. This is now my track-only car still running nearly stock (brake, rims, tires, Turbo-back, coilovers) and it embarasses a lot of cars out there. :)
-mike
| infantsam | 08-10-2006 11:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]Can't preach how true this is. I've shown up to the track in anything and everything. Started with my bone-stock 1992 SVX with 80k miles. Moved to a 1996 Impreza L w/AT which I eventually converted to a race car but still nearly stock. Then I started using my 1994 Legacy Turbo, started stock w/RE92s and all in fact 2 days after it was delivered from TX to me I took it to Summit for an HPDE with 100k miles. This is now my track-only car still running nearly stock (brake, rims, tires, Turbo-back, coilovers) and it embarasses a lot of cars out there. :)
-mike[/QUOTE]
I rode shotgun about 20-30 laps in this car at VIR last Feb. He can get it around there thats for sure.
And while we did get passed by some M3's w/ BBK's and this that - they only ran away on the straights.
It's a well sorted car that can hold it's own w/ simple effective mods - especially the short tires to make up for some gearing.
-mike[/QUOTE]
I rode shotgun about 20-30 laps in this car at VIR last Feb. He can get it around there thats for sure.
And while we did get passed by some M3's w/ BBK's and this that - they only ran away on the straights.
It's a well sorted car that can hold it's own w/ simple effective mods - especially the short tires to make up for some gearing.
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