| Habu | 09-09-2003 07:02 PM |
Woohooo!!!! Rally Mexico!!!!
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That's it peoples! The news is FINALLY made official! I'm going to my home country to watch the WRC!!!!
Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!
Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!
I'm calling the relatives tonight!
GF!
Skippy
Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!
Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!Yes!!!
I'm calling the relatives tonight!
GF!
Skippy
| johnfelstead | 09-09-2003 07:05 PM |
Pity its going to suck compared to this years format.
| Habu | 09-09-2003 07:07 PM |
Rally Mexico: We're extremely proud
Australia � 09/09/2003 14:47:51
Organisers of the Corona Rally Mexico say they are 'overwhelmed' following the announcement the event is to be included in the 2004 FIA World Rally Championship.
The Leon-based rally will run as the third round of the series between 12-14 March and it marks the return of the sport at its highest level to the North American region after an absence of 15 years.
�I feel overwhelmed," said Juan Suberville, President of the Organising Committee. "There is not really any other way to describe the feeling of pride I have for everyone. We have been preparing for this moment for the last five years, working body and soul, and it is the achievement of a lifetime.
"Now we have more consciousness of the size of the package we have landed for our country, but we have no doubts we can do it. There is clearly a sense of nervous anticipation though," he continued. "Support from the State of Guanajuato is there, we know that, so we are moving ahead with confidence. Securing a round of the World Rally Championship for Mexico makes me extremely proud; now we can dream of having one of the best events in the series.�
The Corona Rally Mexico will be based in Leon, 300 kilometers to the north of teh country's capital Mexico City. It is the fifth biggest city in the country with 1.2 million inhabitants, the largest in the State of Guanajuato and boasts a population of 50 million within a 400-kilometre radius. The highly acclaimed Poliforum �Rally Campus�, in the centre of the city, will once again host Rally Headquarters.
�We feel honored that our State has been chosen to host Corona Rally Mexico, and on behalf of the people of Guanajuato I extend a warm welcome to the international rally community who will be honouring us with their presence and allowing us to enjoy a magnificent show," said Juan Carlos Romero Hicks, the Governor and highest ranking politician of the State of Guanajuato.
"Our State, by tradition, has always been a hospitable place; the friends who visit us can enjoy its beauty as well as visit cities of great industrial and cultural development; it is a unique place where people of all ages can join together.�
� Copyright wrc.com
GF!
Skippy
Australia � 09/09/2003 14:47:51
Organisers of the Corona Rally Mexico say they are 'overwhelmed' following the announcement the event is to be included in the 2004 FIA World Rally Championship.
The Leon-based rally will run as the third round of the series between 12-14 March and it marks the return of the sport at its highest level to the North American region after an absence of 15 years.
�I feel overwhelmed," said Juan Suberville, President of the Organising Committee. "There is not really any other way to describe the feeling of pride I have for everyone. We have been preparing for this moment for the last five years, working body and soul, and it is the achievement of a lifetime.
"Now we have more consciousness of the size of the package we have landed for our country, but we have no doubts we can do it. There is clearly a sense of nervous anticipation though," he continued. "Support from the State of Guanajuato is there, we know that, so we are moving ahead with confidence. Securing a round of the World Rally Championship for Mexico makes me extremely proud; now we can dream of having one of the best events in the series.�
The Corona Rally Mexico will be based in Leon, 300 kilometers to the north of teh country's capital Mexico City. It is the fifth biggest city in the country with 1.2 million inhabitants, the largest in the State of Guanajuato and boasts a population of 50 million within a 400-kilometre radius. The highly acclaimed Poliforum �Rally Campus�, in the centre of the city, will once again host Rally Headquarters.
�We feel honored that our State has been chosen to host Corona Rally Mexico, and on behalf of the people of Guanajuato I extend a warm welcome to the international rally community who will be honouring us with their presence and allowing us to enjoy a magnificent show," said Juan Carlos Romero Hicks, the Governor and highest ranking politician of the State of Guanajuato.
"Our State, by tradition, has always been a hospitable place; the friends who visit us can enjoy its beauty as well as visit cities of great industrial and cultural development; it is a unique place where people of all ages can join together.�
� Copyright wrc.com
GF!
Skippy
| Habu | 09-09-2003 07:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Pity its going to suck compared to this years format. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sir John....I know you're the jaded rally spectator, but for me it's a completely new experience, and having it in my home country just thrices the excitement. I'll take it any way I can get it. I'm peaches & tits right now....:banana:
GF!
Skippy
[B]Pity its going to suck compared to this years format. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sir John....I know you're the jaded rally spectator, but for me it's a completely new experience, and having it in my home country just thrices the excitement. I'll take it any way I can get it. I'm peaches & tits right now....:banana:
GF!
Skippy
| johnfelstead | 09-09-2003 07:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]
Sir John....I know you're the jaded rally spectator
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Not in the slightest, i am more disapointed for you than you could imagine. I am sure you will have fun.
[B]
Sir John....I know you're the jaded rally spectator
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Not in the slightest, i am more disapointed for you than you could imagine. I am sure you will have fun.
| Jejunum | 09-09-2003 10:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
Not in the slightest, i am more disapointed for you than you could imagine. I am sure you will have fun. [/B][/QUOTE]
tell another n00b what the big changes and suckage is from yah?
the only rally i get to watch are the video's I find online :(
[B]
Not in the slightest, i am more disapointed for you than you could imagine. I am sure you will have fun. [/B][/QUOTE]
tell another n00b what the big changes and suckage is from yah?
the only rally i get to watch are the video's I find online :(
| Habu | 09-09-2003 10:50 PM |
Yeah, John....maybe I totally missing something here, but what's the big deal? Subaru only ran two cars anyway, why the big bruhaha? Only Peugeot and Ford, and Citroen ran more than two drivers, and Colin or Carlos were gone anyway, what gives?
GF!
Skippy
GF!
Skippy
| In2Deep | 09-09-2003 11:44 PM |
Suhweet! How long of a drive is it from San Diego?
Mario :devil:
Mario :devil:
| Habu | 09-10-2003 01:42 AM |
Eh, I'd say about 20-24 hours. It's about 1600 miles, but it's the closest you can get on the American continent. ;)
GF!
Skippy
GF!
Skippy
| Habu | 09-10-2003 03:32 AM |
Sigh...what a bittersweet day it turned out to be after all. Now that I've had more time to absorb the outcome of the whole thing. Well come rally time in March, I hope things have gotten better. But I'll still be excited to be there.
GF!
Skippy
GF!
Skippy
| trev555 | 09-10-2003 03:56 AM |
The radical new calendar:
Monte Carlo January 23-25
Sweden February 6-8
Mexico March 12-14
Argentina April 30, May 1 & 2
Cyprus May 14-16
Greece May 28-30
Turkey June 25-27
New Zealand July 16-18
Finland August 6-8
Germany August 20-22
Japan September 3-5
Great Britain September 17-19
Italy October 1-3
France October 15-17
Spain October 29-31
Australia November 12-14
Wow!
Australia gets the finale! Let's just hope it goes down to the wire. (In my home town!)
Happy for Japan to finally be included - since they have supported the championship for so many years.
And Mexico, awesome. What sort of road characteristics will they face there? Similar to Argentina?
Monte Carlo January 23-25
Sweden February 6-8
Mexico March 12-14
Argentina April 30, May 1 & 2
Cyprus May 14-16
Greece May 28-30
Turkey June 25-27
New Zealand July 16-18
Finland August 6-8
Germany August 20-22
Japan September 3-5
Great Britain September 17-19
Italy October 1-3
France October 15-17
Spain October 29-31
Australia November 12-14
Wow!
Australia gets the finale! Let's just hope it goes down to the wire. (In my home town!)
Happy for Japan to finally be included - since they have supported the championship for so many years.
And Mexico, awesome. What sort of road characteristics will they face there? Similar to Argentina?
| Habu | 09-10-2003 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trev555 [/i]
[B]And Mexico, awesome. What sort of road characteristics will they face there? Similar to Argentina? [/B][/QUOTE]
Sort of, kind of, but not really. If you look at where it is on the globe, there aren't many rallies at that lattitude. Mexico will have its own unique flavor. It's a gravel rally, and the climate is usually warm, but not so much as Safari, or Cyprus. It's also mountainous, like Turkey. Good times to come.
GF!
Skippy
[B]And Mexico, awesome. What sort of road characteristics will they face there? Similar to Argentina? [/B][/QUOTE]
Sort of, kind of, but not really. If you look at where it is on the globe, there aren't many rallies at that lattitude. Mexico will have its own unique flavor. It's a gravel rally, and the climate is usually warm, but not so much as Safari, or Cyprus. It's also mountainous, like Turkey. Good times to come.
GF!
Skippy
| 10th Warrior | 09-10-2003 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]Yeah, John....maybe I totally missing something here, but what's the big deal? Subaru only ran two cars anyway, why the big bruhaha? Only Peugeot and Ford, and Citroen ran more than two drivers, and Colin or Carlos were gone anyway, what gives?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
i don't presume to speak for John, but i think he's refering to the BS new recce system. i was really hoping for inclusion of Mexico until in the same breath the stupid FIA desided to go with the Mille Piste or however its spelled. it angers me too much to look it up. the FIA wants me to spend hundreds of dollars to travel to mexico, take time off work, get raped on hotel rooms, so that i can waste half my time down there? f-that. i may go once, just to see WRC cars/teams, but if they don't un-destroy the format, i won't be back. besides, WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway.
[B]Yeah, John....maybe I totally missing something here, but what's the big deal? Subaru only ran two cars anyway, why the big bruhaha? Only Peugeot and Ford, and Citroen ran more than two drivers, and Colin or Carlos were gone anyway, what gives?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
i don't presume to speak for John, but i think he's refering to the BS new recce system. i was really hoping for inclusion of Mexico until in the same breath the stupid FIA desided to go with the Mille Piste or however its spelled. it angers me too much to look it up. the FIA wants me to spend hundreds of dollars to travel to mexico, take time off work, get raped on hotel rooms, so that i can waste half my time down there? f-that. i may go once, just to see WRC cars/teams, but if they don't un-destroy the format, i won't be back. besides, WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway.
| In2Deep | 09-10-2003 08:25 PM |
:eek: May and October are busy! btw, anyone on this board that made it to the Rally of Turkey?
Mario
Mario
| Mopho | 09-10-2003 10:39 PM |
[i]WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway.[/i]
I don't think so
I don't think so
| 10th Warrior | 09-11-2003 02:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B][i]WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway.[/i]
I don't think so [/B][/QUOTE]
read your latest FasTrack. 34mm restrictors and they're easing up the transmission rules. the open class cars are going to keep getting closer and closer to Group A.
[B][i]WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway.[/i]
I don't think so [/B][/QUOTE]
read your latest FasTrack. 34mm restrictors and they're easing up the transmission rules. the open class cars are going to keep getting closer and closer to Group A.
| Mopho | 09-11-2003 02:15 PM |
That is still not WRC cars. 34 mil because the rest of the world uses a 34 mil restrictor. They are only talking about allowing sequential gearboxes that are mechanical with a floor mounted shifter mechanism. WRC cars have electronic/hydraulic activated gear boxes with paddle shifters and they also have electronic/hydraulic activated differentials, both of which we will never see in SCCA rally because it will make the costs of rallying go through the roof (an active gearbox costs over $100,000) and no one outside the manufacturers could do it. Subaru brought a WRC car a few years ago and it ran away with two events, WRC cars have since been banned.
Even the WRC has been thinking about moving away from WRC cars and adopting something similiar to the US open class car.
Even the WRC has been thinking about moving away from WRC cars and adopting something similiar to the US open class car.
| 10th Warrior | 09-11-2003 03:49 PM |
i know "WRC cars" are banned. but my point is that Open is creeping ever closer to very similar regulations and that there's no point to speending $1-2k to go briefly see WRC cars in mexico.
| Habu | 09-11-2003 04:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 10th Warrior [/i]
[B]i know "WRC cars" are banned. but my point is that Open is creeping ever closer to very similar regulations and that there's no point to speending $1-2k to go briefly see WRC cars in mexico. [/B][/QUOTE]
So somehow WRC cars and drivers are going to magically appear in the US? :huh:
What do you mean it isn't worth it?
GF!
Skippy
[B]i know "WRC cars" are banned. but my point is that Open is creeping ever closer to very similar regulations and that there's no point to speending $1-2k to go briefly see WRC cars in mexico. [/B][/QUOTE]
So somehow WRC cars and drivers are going to magically appear in the US? :huh:
What do you mean it isn't worth it?
GF!
Skippy
| Kitsune | 09-11-2003 04:33 PM |
Has anyone actually compared costs for Mexico event against say the British(ROC)Rally or say Argentina. Airfare prices can be a bit finacky, and it might actually be much cheaper getting to the UK or elsewhere, not mention other related costs. For someone in the NE myself, Corona is not really all that much closer in a relative sense then the UK. Not saying I'm about to look into that, just wanted to present the idea. :-P
Regardless, I would not waste my time spending so much time going too a WRC event that's been watered down into a bad show. Though with the SCCA's spectator controls causing just as much problems, I'd probably stay away from STPR or Maine until they find a better solution.
Rally will be in a terriable state next year. At least we've got one more great season in WRC and it's actually rather amazing to watch how dominate Higgins has been this year.
But, whoever goes to Mexico, hope you have a good time and can prove that cynasim wrong!
Regardless, I would not waste my time spending so much time going too a WRC event that's been watered down into a bad show. Though with the SCCA's spectator controls causing just as much problems, I'd probably stay away from STPR or Maine until they find a better solution.
Rally will be in a terriable state next year. At least we've got one more great season in WRC and it's actually rather amazing to watch how dominate Higgins has been this year.
But, whoever goes to Mexico, hope you have a good time and can prove that cynasim wrong!
| 10th Warrior | 09-11-2003 04:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]
So somehow WRC cars and drivers are going to magically appear in the US? :huh:
What do you mean it isn't worth it?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
ok, read what i said. i said that Open class cars are going more and more towards the WRC formula. i never mentioned the drivers, though there already are very competitive international level drivers competing here (the Higgins's, Laukkenen, Milner, Hagstrom, Lovell RIP). if you go to a ProRally, you will see great rallying for a fraction of the price it will cost to go to Mexico and see a half-assed afternoon rally. you really want to spend 3 days in mexico at no doubt outrageous prices to see cars zip by 3-6 times?
as for specator controls in the SCCA, its real simple to get around them, volunteer to be a marshal :) with the new RFOs we need even more marshalls now then in the past.
[B]
So somehow WRC cars and drivers are going to magically appear in the US? :huh:
What do you mean it isn't worth it?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
ok, read what i said. i said that Open class cars are going more and more towards the WRC formula. i never mentioned the drivers, though there already are very competitive international level drivers competing here (the Higgins's, Laukkenen, Milner, Hagstrom, Lovell RIP). if you go to a ProRally, you will see great rallying for a fraction of the price it will cost to go to Mexico and see a half-assed afternoon rally. you really want to spend 3 days in mexico at no doubt outrageous prices to see cars zip by 3-6 times?
as for specator controls in the SCCA, its real simple to get around them, volunteer to be a marshal :) with the new RFOs we need even more marshalls now then in the past.
| Habu | 09-11-2003 06:07 PM |
[QUOTE]Rally will be in a terriable state next year. [/QUOTE] just like your spelling!:lol: finacky? cynamism? :p
Ok, seriously now...
Yes, I've checked prices to Mexico, and they're not any more expensive than I've ever paid before. To me that's not the question. I'll most likely be flying into Mexico City and staying with my family for a couple days, so that's a big 0 spent on room & board for those days. Yes, I know not everyone has that advantage, I'm only speaking for myself. And I already know I'll have a good time in Mexico, even if every single stage is cancelled. Don't forget, I' was born there, my family lives there, I might not have been to Leon specifically, but I know the country, it's my country.
[QUOTE]ok, read what i said. i said that Open class cars are going more and more towards the WRC formula. i never mentioned the drivers, though there already are very competitive international level drivers competing here (the Higgins's, Laukkenen, Milner, Hagstrom, Lovell RIP). if you go to a ProRally, you will see great rallying for a fraction of the price it will cost to go to Mexico and see a half-assed afternoon rally. you really want to spend 3 days in mexico at no doubt outrageous prices to see cars zip by 3-6 times?[/QUOTE]
I did read what you said, but you're not understanding me. I have never been to WRC event....ok that is my goal. For better or worse, I know the rules suck,I never said I agreed with it. I've been to ProRally events, even worked them. They are great to watch, and I'll continue going to them. But I want to experience a WRC event, however watered down. Again, to me, the trip is worth it. And I've already addressed the cost issue. So the WRC is in a sorry state, or will be next year. SCCA is in a sorry state now, and I still go see it. What's the alternative?
GF!
Skippy
Ok, seriously now...
Yes, I've checked prices to Mexico, and they're not any more expensive than I've ever paid before. To me that's not the question. I'll most likely be flying into Mexico City and staying with my family for a couple days, so that's a big 0 spent on room & board for those days. Yes, I know not everyone has that advantage, I'm only speaking for myself. And I already know I'll have a good time in Mexico, even if every single stage is cancelled. Don't forget, I' was born there, my family lives there, I might not have been to Leon specifically, but I know the country, it's my country.
[QUOTE]ok, read what i said. i said that Open class cars are going more and more towards the WRC formula. i never mentioned the drivers, though there already are very competitive international level drivers competing here (the Higgins's, Laukkenen, Milner, Hagstrom, Lovell RIP). if you go to a ProRally, you will see great rallying for a fraction of the price it will cost to go to Mexico and see a half-assed afternoon rally. you really want to spend 3 days in mexico at no doubt outrageous prices to see cars zip by 3-6 times?[/QUOTE]
I did read what you said, but you're not understanding me. I have never been to WRC event....ok that is my goal. For better or worse, I know the rules suck,I never said I agreed with it. I've been to ProRally events, even worked them. They are great to watch, and I'll continue going to them. But I want to experience a WRC event, however watered down. Again, to me, the trip is worth it. And I've already addressed the cost issue. So the WRC is in a sorry state, or will be next year. SCCA is in a sorry state now, and I still go see it. What's the alternative?
GF!
Skippy
| Mopho | 09-11-2003 07:22 PM |
First off, you stated [i]" WRC cars are looking to be legal in ProRally in 2005 anyway"[/i] which clearly means that WRC cars will be legal, not that Open cars will be close to a WRC car, there is a difference(which BTW the Subaru's already are close to a WRC as they are a WRC car without the electronics - the Evo's are modified Group N cars which means they are much closer to a street Evo than the Subaru). No biggie, but I just had to clarify what you said as you don't want to pass out false information on the internet. There is a significant difference between a WRC car and an Open class car, once you see the way a WRC car can pivot on it's axis around turns you will be blown away. Furthermore, at US events there is only 4-5 really fast drivers where in a WRC you will see a good 10-20. Also the US teams still don't have nearly the same budget as WRC teams and totaling a car is a big setback, so the drivers are not as committed as WRC drivers so you will see a lot more action at the WRC.
I went to the Corona this year and it was absolutely amazing!!! No rally in the US or Canada even compares (I have been to all the US Pro rallies for the past 5 years and a bunch of Canadian) The locale is incredible and there is places where you can see the cars coming for miles!. It was worth it for the trip alone and it was no more expensive than flying to a US rally.
How do you know it is going to be watered down? Recce won't take as long since it will be only one pass, so conceivably the drivers could be done with recce early in the morning. I am not going to pass judgement on it until I see the rally schedule. At a WRC event you would be lucky to see two or three stages anyway
I've posted these photos from the Corona Rally Mexico before, but here they are again
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/shakedown/]Shakedown[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day1/]Day one[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day2/]Day 2[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day3/]Day 3[/URL]
I went to the Corona this year and it was absolutely amazing!!! No rally in the US or Canada even compares (I have been to all the US Pro rallies for the past 5 years and a bunch of Canadian) The locale is incredible and there is places where you can see the cars coming for miles!. It was worth it for the trip alone and it was no more expensive than flying to a US rally.
How do you know it is going to be watered down? Recce won't take as long since it will be only one pass, so conceivably the drivers could be done with recce early in the morning. I am not going to pass judgement on it until I see the rally schedule. At a WRC event you would be lucky to see two or three stages anyway
I've posted these photos from the Corona Rally Mexico before, but here they are again
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/shakedown/]Shakedown[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day1/]Day one[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day2/]Day 2[/URL]
[URL=http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day3/]Day 3[/URL]
| Kitsune | 09-11-2003 10:36 PM |
One of the reasons that the WRC drivers/navigators are faster is that they have more information about the road they are driving on, not necessary because they are more committed. If the entire SCCA field had access to days of recon information and tailor
made pace notes then I would guarantee stage times would drop. Less recon being allowed too the WRC teams is going to make it more difficult for the drivers to be fast, I�d venture to say more dangerous as well. Especially at events with roads no one has driven before. Currently the WRC drivers can drive with more confidence. Less recon in the future is going to, well should, slow the field down. Problem is that these guys a lot more to gain and loose then the SCCA drivers, so they may end up pushing their luck and something...bad...could happen.
(And yes, I am aware that Pace Notes are made available to some teams, but they are still not tailor made over the course of several days leading up to the event. Well, not legally anyway)
made pace notes then I would guarantee stage times would drop. Less recon being allowed too the WRC teams is going to make it more difficult for the drivers to be fast, I�d venture to say more dangerous as well. Especially at events with roads no one has driven before. Currently the WRC drivers can drive with more confidence. Less recon in the future is going to, well should, slow the field down. Problem is that these guys a lot more to gain and loose then the SCCA drivers, so they may end up pushing their luck and something...bad...could happen.
(And yes, I am aware that Pace Notes are made available to some teams, but they are still not tailor made over the course of several days leading up to the event. Well, not legally anyway)
| quentinberg007 | 09-12-2003 02:00 AM |
Damnit! I'll be in the UK during Rally Mexico, and I'll be in the US during Rally of GB! I need to figure out how to get to a WRC event!
~~Quentin
~~Quentin
| tt_ttf | 09-12-2003 01:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Habu [/i]
[B]Yeah, John....maybe I totally missing something here, but what's the big deal? Subaru only ran two cars anyway, why the big bruhaha? Only Peugeot and Ford, and Citroen ran more than two drivers, and Colin or Carlos were gone anyway, what gives?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Habu
It has nothing to do with the number of cars (although there will be less)
Millie Piste format means recce in the morning and racing in the afternoon and means at a minmum 50% less racing and far less is a real likelyhood.
The point is we are going to get ripped a new one price wise as much as you would have in the past, for the chance to enjoy far less racing.
Given the logistics, it would not be unlikely that you would get to see only [b][i]ONE[/b][/i] stage per day!
If it is going to be that bad, I'll save the money and see a lot more ProRally rounds in the US and see a whole lote more racing
Yeah it might not be WRC but at least I won't be left feeling like I was worked over by FIA
[B]Yeah, John....maybe I totally missing something here, but what's the big deal? Subaru only ran two cars anyway, why the big bruhaha? Only Peugeot and Ford, and Citroen ran more than two drivers, and Colin or Carlos were gone anyway, what gives?
GF!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Habu
It has nothing to do with the number of cars (although there will be less)
Millie Piste format means recce in the morning and racing in the afternoon and means at a minmum 50% less racing and far less is a real likelyhood.
The point is we are going to get ripped a new one price wise as much as you would have in the past, for the chance to enjoy far less racing.
Given the logistics, it would not be unlikely that you would get to see only [b][i]ONE[/b][/i] stage per day!
If it is going to be that bad, I'll save the money and see a lot more ProRally rounds in the US and see a whole lote more racing
Yeah it might not be WRC but at least I won't be left feeling like I was worked over by FIA
| Mopho | 09-12-2003 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tt_ttf [/i]
[B]
Habu
It has nothing to do with the number of cars (although there will be less)
Millie Piste format means recce in the morning and racing in the afternoon and means at a minmum 50% less racing and far less is a real likelyhood.
The point is we are going to get ripped a new one price wise as much as you would have in the past, for the chance to enjoy far less racing.
Given the logistics, it would not be unlikely that you would get to see only [b][i]ONE[/b][/i] stage per day!
If it is going to be that bad, I'll save the money and see a lot more ProRally rounds in the US and see a whole lote more racing
Yeah it might not be WRC but at least I won't be left feeling like I was worked over by FIA [/B][/QUOTE]
If you read my previous post you will see that I said that it cost about the same as going to a US rally. I also noted that they are only to make one pass in the morning recce which means they [b]may[/b] be back early in the morning if they leave at crack of dawn (since we don't know the schedule we can't make assumptions). The fact that the stages will be fresh in their mind may even mean they will be going faster. You will see more top notch action in one stage of a WRC rally than in a whole SCCA rally. And to top it off the location is far more interesting and exotic than any US rally and there is not many trees so you can see many corners at once-not too many rallies on this side of the border that you can say that.
Did I mention the women?!
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day1/images/DSC_0258.jpg[/IMG]
[B]
Habu
It has nothing to do with the number of cars (although there will be less)
Millie Piste format means recce in the morning and racing in the afternoon and means at a minmum 50% less racing and far less is a real likelyhood.
The point is we are going to get ripped a new one price wise as much as you would have in the past, for the chance to enjoy far less racing.
Given the logistics, it would not be unlikely that you would get to see only [b][i]ONE[/b][/i] stage per day!
If it is going to be that bad, I'll save the money and see a lot more ProRally rounds in the US and see a whole lote more racing
Yeah it might not be WRC but at least I won't be left feeling like I was worked over by FIA [/B][/QUOTE]
If you read my previous post you will see that I said that it cost about the same as going to a US rally. I also noted that they are only to make one pass in the morning recce which means they [b]may[/b] be back early in the morning if they leave at crack of dawn (since we don't know the schedule we can't make assumptions). The fact that the stages will be fresh in their mind may even mean they will be going faster. You will see more top notch action in one stage of a WRC rally than in a whole SCCA rally. And to top it off the location is far more interesting and exotic than any US rally and there is not many trees so you can see many corners at once-not too many rallies on this side of the border that you can say that.
Did I mention the women?!
[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/events/2003/mexico/day1/images/DSC_0258.jpg[/IMG]
| tt_ttf | 09-12-2003 03:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]
If you read my previous post you will see that I said that it cost about the same as going to a US rally. [/B][/QUOTE]
How on earth do you figure that?
I have not paid a cent to attend any of the NWR ProRallies I have attended
[B]
If you read my previous post you will see that I said that it cost about the same as going to a US rally. [/B][/QUOTE]
How on earth do you figure that?
I have not paid a cent to attend any of the NWR ProRallies I have attended
| Mopho | 09-12-2003 03:12 PM |
If the rally is in your own backyard, of course it won't cost you anything, but most people can't say that now can they?
The closest rally to me is a four hour drive and I have to fly to most of them, so it costs about the same.
By your standard you would be getting "ripped a new one" at any rally but Wild West (and Oregon Trail?)and how many stages did you see there?
The closest rally to me is a four hour drive and I have to fly to most of them, so it costs about the same.
By your standard you would be getting "ripped a new one" at any rally but Wild West (and Oregon Trail?)and how many stages did you see there?
| tt_ttf | 09-12-2003 03:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]If the rally is in your own backyard, of course it won't cost you anything, but most people can't say that now can they?
The closest rally to me is a four hour drive and I have to fly to most of them, so it costs about the same.
By what your standard you would be getting "ripped a new one" at any rally but Wild West and how many stages did you see there? [/B][/QUOTE]
Mopho - the operative word here is attend
Most WRC events charge a substaintial amount of ENTRY fee for spectators - It is not free!:lol:
You don't get to service areas, Special stages or even normal stages without coughing up $$$$ for each of those.
So it ain't just travel cost..................but then you will also find that 'cause it is a WRC event all the hotel and flight costs will double to get to Leon.....
And I will wager very large odds that the rallies will not be reducing the costs of those tickets in return for far less to see.
[B]If the rally is in your own backyard, of course it won't cost you anything, but most people can't say that now can they?
The closest rally to me is a four hour drive and I have to fly to most of them, so it costs about the same.
By what your standard you would be getting "ripped a new one" at any rally but Wild West and how many stages did you see there? [/B][/QUOTE]
Mopho - the operative word here is attend
Most WRC events charge a substaintial amount of ENTRY fee for spectators - It is not free!:lol:
You don't get to service areas, Special stages or even normal stages without coughing up $$$$ for each of those.
So it ain't just travel cost..................but then you will also find that 'cause it is a WRC event all the hotel and flight costs will double to get to Leon.....
And I will wager very large odds that the rallies will not be reducing the costs of those tickets in return for far less to see.
| Mopho | 09-12-2003 03:34 PM |
Most, but not all charge, so wait and see before you jump to conclusions. I got a plane ticket for $560 four days before the event (I have paid more to fly withen the US), so it would be much cheaper under normal circumstances.
If you don't want to go, that is fine, but don't tell everyone it is going to suck when you have never been and you don't know how the new rules will play out. I have been and I was there with people from Subaru, people from motorsport magazines and people from the WRC, all who have plenty of rally experience and we could not stop giggling the whole time, we had such a blast!
It will be fun I promise! This is the year to go too as it will not be as big and popular as some of the European events
Did I mention there was [b]Free[/b] Corona at the after party?!
If you don't want to go, that is fine, but don't tell everyone it is going to suck when you have never been and you don't know how the new rules will play out. I have been and I was there with people from Subaru, people from motorsport magazines and people from the WRC, all who have plenty of rally experience and we could not stop giggling the whole time, we had such a blast!
It will be fun I promise! This is the year to go too as it will not be as big and popular as some of the European events
Did I mention there was [b]Free[/b] Corona at the after party?!
| tt_ttf | 09-12-2003 03:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]when you have never been
and you don't know how the new rules will play out. [/B][/QUOTE]
The first is a really big assumption :lol: and the second does not take a lot to understand
Take one look at what the teams and the drivers and most people who have been to a WRC event are saying
Millie Piste is a HUGE step in the wrong direction for safety, TV coverage, spectators and the health of the sport and every one of the justifcations that FIA used to support it is bunk
Given the chance, I would got to [i]another[/i] WRC event but in the short term I am not going to support what FIA is doing by going to one.
[B]when you have never been
and you don't know how the new rules will play out. [/B][/QUOTE]
The first is a really big assumption :lol: and the second does not take a lot to understand
Take one look at what the teams and the drivers and most people who have been to a WRC event are saying
Millie Piste is a HUGE step in the wrong direction for safety, TV coverage, spectators and the health of the sport and every one of the justifcations that FIA used to support it is bunk
Given the chance, I would got to [i]another[/i] WRC event but in the short term I am not going to support what FIA is doing by going to one.
| Mopho | 09-12-2003 04:00 PM |
I did not suggest that you had never been to a WRC event, I suggested you had never been to Corona Rally Mexico, am I wrong?
I am not suggesting the rules are good, I am suggesting that you don't jump to conclusions and try to sway everyones opinion negatively towards the rally. The Corona is counting on people to show up. I know a few of the organizers, whom are all great people and deserve the event to go off well, and not have people sway public opinion against it before it even starts.
For me personally, I am not sure how I feel about the new rules, I suppose I would have preferred it left the way it is, but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior. Regardless, it will still be a good show
Who cares about supporting the FIA, Support the Corona Rally Organizers and the manufacturers who put on the show! Most people in US rally don't agree with the SCCA, so should we not support the Rallies and the teams?
I've made my point, I am done with this.
I am not suggesting the rules are good, I am suggesting that you don't jump to conclusions and try to sway everyones opinion negatively towards the rally. The Corona is counting on people to show up. I know a few of the organizers, whom are all great people and deserve the event to go off well, and not have people sway public opinion against it before it even starts.
For me personally, I am not sure how I feel about the new rules, I suppose I would have preferred it left the way it is, but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior. Regardless, it will still be a good show
Who cares about supporting the FIA, Support the Corona Rally Organizers and the manufacturers who put on the show! Most people in US rally don't agree with the SCCA, so should we not support the Rallies and the teams?
I've made my point, I am done with this.
| tt_ttf | 09-12-2003 04:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]
For me personally, I am not sure how I feel about the new rules, I suppose I would have preferred it left the way it is, but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior. [/B][/QUOTE]
The issues are
1 - they don't get to see the stages as often - currently the stages gets run at least 3 times by either the crews themselves and/or their gravel crew
2 - they lose the use of gravel crews who do a critical safety role of sweeping through at the last minute with changes to the road, conditions etc that gets fed back to the teams
There is some very very real safetyconcerns with this format
[B]
For me personally, I am not sure how I feel about the new rules, I suppose I would have preferred it left the way it is, but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior. [/B][/QUOTE]
The issues are
1 - they don't get to see the stages as often - currently the stages gets run at least 3 times by either the crews themselves and/or their gravel crew
2 - they lose the use of gravel crews who do a critical safety role of sweeping through at the last minute with changes to the road, conditions etc that gets fed back to the teams
There is some very very real safetyconcerns with this format
| Mopho | 09-12-2003 04:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tt_ttf [/i]
[B]
The issues are
1 - they don't get to see the stages as often - currently the stages gets run at least 3 times by either the crews themselves and/or their gravel crew
2 - they lose the use of gravel crews who do a critical safety role of sweeping through at the last minute with changes to the road, conditions etc that gets fed back to the teams
There is some very very real safetyconcerns with this format [/B][/QUOTE]
OK one more and then I have to get back to work
1- Every other pacenoted rally series in the world only gets two passes in the recce. If more passes equals more safety, well then why not allow ten passes? Our series allows zero passes and until recently was mostly blind. Actually, the recce is more dangerous than the rally- Possum was killed in a recce, Pat Richard was hit head on by a civilian in a recce and his co-driver was put out of the rally, there have been quite a few recce accidents.
A lot of WRC drivers don't do the recce themselves anymore as they rely on last years notes and have their co driver go through and make any changes
2- If the drivers actually see for themselves what the conditions are before the rally, how is that less safe than letting someone else do it for them?
Like I said I am not for the changes, I just don't believe your argument sticks. It is my understanding the manufacturers are having a meeting to discuss what to do about it anyway and it is likely there will be some changes.
Regardless, this has little effect on having a good time in Mexico, it would be fun even if there was no rally
Pleasure debating with you
[B]
The issues are
1 - they don't get to see the stages as often - currently the stages gets run at least 3 times by either the crews themselves and/or their gravel crew
2 - they lose the use of gravel crews who do a critical safety role of sweeping through at the last minute with changes to the road, conditions etc that gets fed back to the teams
There is some very very real safetyconcerns with this format [/B][/QUOTE]
OK one more and then I have to get back to work
1- Every other pacenoted rally series in the world only gets two passes in the recce. If more passes equals more safety, well then why not allow ten passes? Our series allows zero passes and until recently was mostly blind. Actually, the recce is more dangerous than the rally- Possum was killed in a recce, Pat Richard was hit head on by a civilian in a recce and his co-driver was put out of the rally, there have been quite a few recce accidents.
A lot of WRC drivers don't do the recce themselves anymore as they rely on last years notes and have their co driver go through and make any changes
2- If the drivers actually see for themselves what the conditions are before the rally, how is that less safe than letting someone else do it for them?
Like I said I am not for the changes, I just don't believe your argument sticks. It is my understanding the manufacturers are having a meeting to discuss what to do about it anyway and it is likely there will be some changes.
Regardless, this has little effect on having a good time in Mexico, it would be fun even if there was no rally
Pleasure debating with you
| johnfelstead | 09-16-2003 06:24 AM |
�For me personally, I am not sure how I feel about the new rules�
I know how I feel about them, they are unsafe and water down what the spectator will see, they could lead to the withdrawal of teams/drivers on top of the current loss of Colin McRae from the series; they already result in the loss of 30% of the top cars.
�but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior.�
You don�t understand the sport or the workload the co-driver has, this format is going to be exhausting for a co-driver, add to the fact the gravel crews won�t be checking the notes and therefore not correcting any mistakes made, this is going to increase the likelihood of a fatal accident for either the crew or the spectators.
�Actually, the recee is more dangerous than the rally- Possum was killed in a recee, Pat Richard was hit head on by a civilian in a recee and his co-driver was put out of the rally, there have been quite a few recee accidents.�
And now they will be receeing in hire cars without rollcages, or maybe using their rally cars, this is making recee even more dangerous, have you ever tried to recee in a stage rally car with stiff suspension? You can�t write. Hire cars on stages used for recee is more dangerous, that doesn�t take much thinking about.
�A lot of WRC drivers don't do the recee themselves anymore as they rely on last years notes and have their co driver go through and make any changes�
That is completely untrue; ALL crews write their stage notes with the driver/codriver in the car.
�If the drivers actually see for themselves what the conditions are before the rally, how is that less safe than letting someone else do it for them?�
Again, you don�t understand the sport; the gravel crews fulfil a major role in safety, especially on events with changeable conditions. Robert Reid wrote about how the co-drivers workload is going to be stretched to the limit with these rules and says it�s unsafe. I believe Robert over the FIA, he is about as level headed a person you will ever meet.
�Regardless, this has little effect on having a good time in Mexico, it would be fun even if there was no rally�
It won�t be much fun if one of the crews gets killed; we have seen enough of this already. These new rules are making the sport MORE DANGEROUS, which is a bad thing. The fact it also makes the rally less of a spectator friendly place to be is important too.
I know how I feel about them, they are unsafe and water down what the spectator will see, they could lead to the withdrawal of teams/drivers on top of the current loss of Colin McRae from the series; they already result in the loss of 30% of the top cars.
�but I don't see how having the drivers see the stages for themselves right before the rally starts is less safe compared to seeing the stages two or three days prior.�
You don�t understand the sport or the workload the co-driver has, this format is going to be exhausting for a co-driver, add to the fact the gravel crews won�t be checking the notes and therefore not correcting any mistakes made, this is going to increase the likelihood of a fatal accident for either the crew or the spectators.
�Actually, the recee is more dangerous than the rally- Possum was killed in a recee, Pat Richard was hit head on by a civilian in a recee and his co-driver was put out of the rally, there have been quite a few recee accidents.�
And now they will be receeing in hire cars without rollcages, or maybe using their rally cars, this is making recee even more dangerous, have you ever tried to recee in a stage rally car with stiff suspension? You can�t write. Hire cars on stages used for recee is more dangerous, that doesn�t take much thinking about.
�A lot of WRC drivers don't do the recee themselves anymore as they rely on last years notes and have their co driver go through and make any changes�
That is completely untrue; ALL crews write their stage notes with the driver/codriver in the car.
�If the drivers actually see for themselves what the conditions are before the rally, how is that less safe than letting someone else do it for them?�
Again, you don�t understand the sport; the gravel crews fulfil a major role in safety, especially on events with changeable conditions. Robert Reid wrote about how the co-drivers workload is going to be stretched to the limit with these rules and says it�s unsafe. I believe Robert over the FIA, he is about as level headed a person you will ever meet.
�Regardless, this has little effect on having a good time in Mexico, it would be fun even if there was no rally�
It won�t be much fun if one of the crews gets killed; we have seen enough of this already. These new rules are making the sport MORE DANGEROUS, which is a bad thing. The fact it also makes the rally less of a spectator friendly place to be is important too.
| Mopho | 09-16-2003 10:12 AM |
John, I do understand the sport, I am in involved with it for a living!! I have competed as a navigator and worked as service as well. I am not trying to defend the new rules, I am just providing a counterpoint to the argument.
I agree, I don't like the new driver rule, but Collin McRae having no ride has as much to do with him wanting too much money and not producing any results, as the rule change does. The workload may be exhausting for the co-driver, but don't forget these guys do it for a living! It is not like they have day jobs (like most rally crews) to get in the way. Additionally, they have huge teams with people who take care of the logistics, so arguably, they are doing less work than amateur co-drivers.
Everytime I and everyone I have known has been involved with recces it has been in hire cars on open roads, they are not "supposed" to be speeding, so why should they need a fully prepped car? The downside is it won't take long for the hire car companies to catch on and not rent them to the teams anymore. Overall I agree I don't like this rule either, as what is the point?
I had read somewhere that on rallies where the stages have not changed from previous years the drivers (with lots of experience)did not do the recce and let the co-driver check the notes. Since I can't find where I read that I will take your word that I am wrong.
Now if a gravel note crew goes through and checks the conditions at 5 or 6 am, how is that better than having the drivers see for themselves the conditions at a later hour? The only bit I buy on that argument is that a gravel crew might find a big mistake in the notes. But then again, most of the rest of the world survives without gravel crews.
Yes it is no fun if a crew gets killed, I experienced it first hand two months ago!
You and tt_fff are missing the point, which was not meant to debate the new rule changes (which as I mentioned before, I don't necessarily support), the point is don't rain on the parade! While some people, like yourself, may find it a let down, that is no reason to ruin it with your personal opinion for everyone else!! Most people in North America only get to see one maybe two rallies a year if at all and never get a chance to see a WRC. The point is to encourage people to go and support the event (not the FIA) so that it happens again in 2005. The point is to support the event so that it helps the sport grow in the US!
I agree, I don't like the new driver rule, but Collin McRae having no ride has as much to do with him wanting too much money and not producing any results, as the rule change does. The workload may be exhausting for the co-driver, but don't forget these guys do it for a living! It is not like they have day jobs (like most rally crews) to get in the way. Additionally, they have huge teams with people who take care of the logistics, so arguably, they are doing less work than amateur co-drivers.
Everytime I and everyone I have known has been involved with recces it has been in hire cars on open roads, they are not "supposed" to be speeding, so why should they need a fully prepped car? The downside is it won't take long for the hire car companies to catch on and not rent them to the teams anymore. Overall I agree I don't like this rule either, as what is the point?
I had read somewhere that on rallies where the stages have not changed from previous years the drivers (with lots of experience)did not do the recce and let the co-driver check the notes. Since I can't find where I read that I will take your word that I am wrong.
Now if a gravel note crew goes through and checks the conditions at 5 or 6 am, how is that better than having the drivers see for themselves the conditions at a later hour? The only bit I buy on that argument is that a gravel crew might find a big mistake in the notes. But then again, most of the rest of the world survives without gravel crews.
Yes it is no fun if a crew gets killed, I experienced it first hand two months ago!
You and tt_fff are missing the point, which was not meant to debate the new rule changes (which as I mentioned before, I don't necessarily support), the point is don't rain on the parade! While some people, like yourself, may find it a let down, that is no reason to ruin it with your personal opinion for everyone else!! Most people in North America only get to see one maybe two rallies a year if at all and never get a chance to see a WRC. The point is to encourage people to go and support the event (not the FIA) so that it happens again in 2005. The point is to support the event so that it helps the sport grow in the US!
| Habu | 09-16-2003 12:26 PM |
Wow! I'm gone for four days and a debate ensues! ;) It's cool, all in good argument. I've read all the replies and you all have good points. However, I'm gonna agree with Moph on the fact that yeah...don't rain on the parade! We know the rule changes suck, but we're being forced to live with it for now. There's not much we can do, especially as North American rally fans. My faith is in the teams to argue the point for us, as they're the ones directly affected and if the rules are as bad as you say, then maybe they'll effect change soon. Don't count on it you say? Ok, fine...
So no changes come about, doesn't change the fact that the rally will go on, and I will still enjoy it, no matter what. So what if I only get to see on stage per day? That's all I get to see in ProRally anyway. Anyway, enough about the rules....
I do agree that we should support the sport regardless. And getting more people to go, that truly want to enjoy and learn about the sport will help support it. My only reservation is that it doesn't get SO popular, it becomes another NASCRAP or Indy Reject League. Knowing Americans, that tends to happen with something new and 'cool'. I'm going to my home country to see my family, see a part of the country even I've never been to, and see some rally cars in the process. Eat drink and be merry, that's my goal, and there's nothing the FIA can do that would stop that, short of cancelling the event.
GF!
Skippy
So no changes come about, doesn't change the fact that the rally will go on, and I will still enjoy it, no matter what. So what if I only get to see on stage per day? That's all I get to see in ProRally anyway. Anyway, enough about the rules....
I do agree that we should support the sport regardless. And getting more people to go, that truly want to enjoy and learn about the sport will help support it. My only reservation is that it doesn't get SO popular, it becomes another NASCRAP or Indy Reject League. Knowing Americans, that tends to happen with something new and 'cool'. I'm going to my home country to see my family, see a part of the country even I've never been to, and see some rally cars in the process. Eat drink and be merry, that's my goal, and there's nothing the FIA can do that would stop that, short of cancelling the event.
GF!
Skippy
| bjorn240 | 09-16-2003 05:11 PM |
Regarding co-drivers, Morgan wrote:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B] Additionally, they have huge teams with people who take care of the logistics, so arguably, they are doing less work than amateur co-drivers.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is very true, though the expectation that you do the co-driving part of the job exactly right does increase. I'd venture a guess that their job isn't too easy either, especially the part about calculating splits on stage while reading notes.
Also, as far as the hire cars are concerned, the companies have already figured it out -- already, the teams are required to sign additional waivers beyond the standard rental contracts. The idea that the teams could have used locally-hired cars is absolutely silly.
The manufacturers have already approached FIA about this, and FIA has recognized that hire cars won't work, and have in practice now amended this to say "totally unmodified production cars."
Upon which the manufacturers have asked about the addition of suspension, underguard protection, and light communication equipment (transit headsets). The FIA seems inclined to grant these exceptions and BOOM! what do we have? Recce cars.
The Mille Piste system will likely be in place, at least for 2004, but they won't be using hire cars (Hertz, Avis, Europcar won't let them) and they won't be using rally cars (would require 2 add'l cars for a 2 car team).
Godwilling, I'll be at Corono Rally MX, likely in a Gr. N car.
Cheers,
- Christian
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B] Additionally, they have huge teams with people who take care of the logistics, so arguably, they are doing less work than amateur co-drivers.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is very true, though the expectation that you do the co-driving part of the job exactly right does increase. I'd venture a guess that their job isn't too easy either, especially the part about calculating splits on stage while reading notes.
Also, as far as the hire cars are concerned, the companies have already figured it out -- already, the teams are required to sign additional waivers beyond the standard rental contracts. The idea that the teams could have used locally-hired cars is absolutely silly.
The manufacturers have already approached FIA about this, and FIA has recognized that hire cars won't work, and have in practice now amended this to say "totally unmodified production cars."
Upon which the manufacturers have asked about the addition of suspension, underguard protection, and light communication equipment (transit headsets). The FIA seems inclined to grant these exceptions and BOOM! what do we have? Recce cars.
The Mille Piste system will likely be in place, at least for 2004, but they won't be using hire cars (Hertz, Avis, Europcar won't let them) and they won't be using rally cars (would require 2 add'l cars for a 2 car team).
Godwilling, I'll be at Corono Rally MX, likely in a Gr. N car.
Cheers,
- Christian
| tt_ttf | 09-16-2003 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bjorn240 [/i]
[B]The Mille Piste system will likely be in place, at least for 2004, but they won't be using hire cars (Hertz, Avis, Europcar won't let them) and they won't be using rally cars (would require 2 add'l cars for a 2 car team).
[/B][/QUOTE]
FIA was trying to force the teams into doing the morning recce (and possibly the earlier ones) in their race car.......NOT allowing an additional 2 cars at all
And any more changes just adds to the farse
The last 3 months has seen ----- 3 drivers...No....only 2.....Mille Piste.....recce in Rally cars....recce in hire cars.....ok you maybe can mod them............
I just wonder what lame brained idea will come up next
[B]The Mille Piste system will likely be in place, at least for 2004, but they won't be using hire cars (Hertz, Avis, Europcar won't let them) and they won't be using rally cars (would require 2 add'l cars for a 2 car team).
[/B][/QUOTE]
FIA was trying to force the teams into doing the morning recce (and possibly the earlier ones) in their race car.......NOT allowing an additional 2 cars at all
And any more changes just adds to the farse
The last 3 months has seen ----- 3 drivers...No....only 2.....Mille Piste.....recce in Rally cars....recce in hire cars.....ok you maybe can mod them............
I just wonder what lame brained idea will come up next
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