| shrieden | 12-18-2003 10:58 AM |
WRC 'Retirement plan'
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Not sure how this is going to work, sounds like the FIA is meddling again just because it can
[URL=http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_fiaretirementplan.htm]New Proposal[/URL]
[URL=http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_fiaretirementplan.htm]New Proposal[/URL]
| cvalle-sd | 12-18-2003 11:16 AM |
From Autosport
Mosley calls for retirement shake-up
FIA president wants drivers allowed back into events if they crash out
>Psychiatrist calls for dosage "adjustment"<
Mosley wants cars that have retired to be allowed back into events
FIA president Max Mosley has come up with a revolutionary idea to allow drivers back into World Rally Championship rounds if they retire early, according to this week's AUTOSPORT magazine.
Mosley sees this as a sensible way to maintain interest in the championship rounds if some of the leading lights fall by the wayside on the opening two legs.
"I'd like to see a situation where, if a car retires on the opening day, like Marcus Gronholm on Wales Rally Great Britain this season, he can still run and maintain the opportunity to win on the second and third days," said Mosley.
"Rallying is supposed to be something the public watches � so what's the point in not allowing that car to run on Saturday and Sunday if it could have been fixed. You could have put the car on a trailer, taken it back, fixed it and then carried on over the following two days. You're never going to win the rally, but there could be a points system arranged to make this a viable method."
They should have this F1, too. And all sports, for that matter. Marathons, hockey, boxing - why end the fight because one fighter is unconscious and bleeding from the ears? When the final whistle goes at the World Cup final 2006, if Holland (yeh, right) is down 3 goals to Brasil, they should go to extra time....NO!PENALTY KICKS!
Worst Idea Ever - which is, of course, SOP for Mr. Max "Grooved Slick" Moseley. :mad: :furious: :rolleyes: :(
Mosley calls for retirement shake-up
FIA president wants drivers allowed back into events if they crash out
>Psychiatrist calls for dosage "adjustment"<
Mosley wants cars that have retired to be allowed back into events
FIA president Max Mosley has come up with a revolutionary idea to allow drivers back into World Rally Championship rounds if they retire early, according to this week's AUTOSPORT magazine.
Mosley sees this as a sensible way to maintain interest in the championship rounds if some of the leading lights fall by the wayside on the opening two legs.
"I'd like to see a situation where, if a car retires on the opening day, like Marcus Gronholm on Wales Rally Great Britain this season, he can still run and maintain the opportunity to win on the second and third days," said Mosley.
"Rallying is supposed to be something the public watches � so what's the point in not allowing that car to run on Saturday and Sunday if it could have been fixed. You could have put the car on a trailer, taken it back, fixed it and then carried on over the following two days. You're never going to win the rally, but there could be a points system arranged to make this a viable method."
They should have this F1, too. And all sports, for that matter. Marathons, hockey, boxing - why end the fight because one fighter is unconscious and bleeding from the ears? When the final whistle goes at the World Cup final 2006, if Holland (yeh, right) is down 3 goals to Brasil, they should go to extra time....NO!PENALTY KICKS!
Worst Idea Ever - which is, of course, SOP for Mr. Max "Grooved Slick" Moseley. :mad: :furious: :rolleyes: :(
| mykrrrr | 12-18-2003 11:27 AM |
Can anyone else see the slow stupid demise of the WRC???
If yer out yer out. :rolleyes:
-mykr.
If yer out yer out. :rolleyes:
-mykr.
| TimStevens | 12-18-2003 11:35 AM |
I can think of a better retirement plan... it involves Max Mosely and a condo in Florida...
| SubaruCO | 12-18-2003 11:50 AM |
Just a ploy for better TV coverage (i.e. more $$$) at the expense of competitive sport. It�s sad to see a governing body like the FIA so blind to the facts of WRC that rules like this �retirement plan� and the 2 driver rule are shoved into effect with no consideration of the consequences.
| Jaxx | 12-18-2003 11:51 AM |
yeah 187 Max Mosley
perhaps he should go to the retirement "home" and organise backgamon instead of world wide sporting events as he seems to have lost it
perhaps he should go to the retirement "home" and organise backgamon instead of world wide sporting events as he seems to have lost it
| cvalle-sd | 12-18-2003 11:55 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jaxx[/i]
[B] yeah 187 Max Mosley
perhaps he should go to the retirement "home" and organise backgamon instead of world wide sporting events as he seems to have lost it [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey, Hey! What did Backgammon ever do to you?! He'd probably just institute do-overs, and extra dice.
[B] yeah 187 Max Mosley
perhaps he should go to the retirement "home" and organise backgamon instead of world wide sporting events as he seems to have lost it [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey, Hey! What did Backgammon ever do to you?! He'd probably just institute do-overs, and extra dice.
| Ryouga | 12-18-2003 11:57 AM |
I can understand thinking out of the box, but this is so far out of the box, you have to wonder if Max Mosley is really an alien from another planet under the leadership of Clive "No Neck" Anderson. :p
| Hawk-Eye | 12-18-2003 01:01 PM |
Points for the day
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I think the idea does have some merrit. I didn't see any detail so I can't say if I like the idea or not. What if they just gave a bonus point for fastest time of the day? Would that be enough to entice retired drivers to compete again the next day? Is this what they are talking about?
| Templar | 12-18-2003 01:02 PM |
I am starting to believe that greenpeace has spies that have infiltrated the leadership of the FIA, CART, and the IRL. They are changing the rules to tick more and more viewers off and get them to not support the sport. Thereby killing motorsports.
They have as of yet been unable to get anyone into the leadership of NASCAR as none of there spies has yet passed the "screw a sheep" test.
They have as of yet been unable to get anyone into the leadership of NASCAR as none of there spies has yet passed the "screw a sheep" test.
| 10th Warrior | 12-18-2003 01:13 PM |
last i checked, rally was a sport of speed [i]and[/i] endurance :rolleyes:
| rexxer | 12-18-2003 01:25 PM |
I don't like this idea, but the only way I can see this working is by giving either a lot more points per rally, or start giving out fractions of points. Maybe give a certain amount of points per result in each day. Still... I don't like this. Then you are taking reliability, luck and driver concentration out of the sport (albeit, not completely).
| sha_zapple | 12-18-2003 10:22 PM |
Wow, its slowly becoming NASCAR, the anti-strategy sport.
Slow down to keep my position? nah, if i break it I can get a new one! GOGOGO!
Slow down to keep my position? nah, if i break it I can get a new one! GOGOGO!
| GuidoThePenguin | 12-19-2003 12:46 AM |
ES MUY ESTUPIDO!!!!!
| Dr. WOT | 12-19-2003 08:14 AM |
Max Mosley is a very smart man with some very dimwitted ideas.
| kfoote | 12-19-2003 09:19 AM |
Re: Points for the day
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hawk-Eye [/i]
[B]I think the idea does have some merrit. I didn't see any detail so I can't say if I like the idea or not. What if they just gave a bonus point for fastest time of the day? Would that be enough to entice retired drivers to compete again the next day? Is this what they are talking about? [/B][/QUOTE]
This makes by far the most sense of anything I can come up with. The only other way I can think of would be to institute a maximum time per stage missed behind the stage winner (I would vote for +15 sec/km of special stage, but if this type of rule is instituted it would more likely be something like 5 sec/km).
[B]I think the idea does have some merrit. I didn't see any detail so I can't say if I like the idea or not. What if they just gave a bonus point for fastest time of the day? Would that be enough to entice retired drivers to compete again the next day? Is this what they are talking about? [/B][/QUOTE]
This makes by far the most sense of anything I can come up with. The only other way I can think of would be to institute a maximum time per stage missed behind the stage winner (I would vote for +15 sec/km of special stage, but if this type of rule is instituted it would more likely be something like 5 sec/km).
| johnfelstead | 12-19-2003 07:32 PM |
This "idea" is probably as a result of the FIA sudenly realising that 2 works cars per event isnt enough to put on a show on the rougher events, because you could end up with 2 works cars finishing in places like cyprus. Thats going to look crap for TV if they continue this nonsensicle aproach to just covering the works WRC entries and ignoring the F1600 and PWRC cars and the privateers.
We already now have the nonsense of the 1000 pistes format for next year, where you will only get to see the cars once in the afternoon, twice if you are very lucky, how is that going to be good for TV program production or the fans who visit each event. I hate what is happening to my sport, it's tragic.
We already now have the nonsense of the 1000 pistes format for next year, where you will only get to see the cars once in the afternoon, twice if you are very lucky, how is that going to be good for TV program production or the fans who visit each event. I hate what is happening to my sport, it's tragic.
| mykrrrr | 12-20-2003 07:50 PM |
The entire rally world is imploding right now. :(
-mykr.
-mykr.
| CoiloverKid | 12-20-2003 09:25 PM |
boy, US rallying is more pure than this right now...
| PsychO | 12-21-2003 03:19 PM |
STUPIDEST idea I've ever heard.
What will be the point of pushing hard to be as high as possible in the rankings when you can score points by retiring on the 1st day.
Dumb dumb dumb
What will be the point of pushing hard to be as high as possible in the rankings when you can score points by retiring on the 1st day.
Dumb dumb dumb
| meebs | 12-21-2003 06:19 PM |
Does Max Mosley even consider that this should be MotorSPORT? What an idiot. Even if it was enstated, what are their chances of winning or even getting up to the podium?
So if you retire in the first day, you are behind by how many minutes, or hours even??? What's the point?
You would have people intentionally retireing ala Burnsie's "my tire is flat", so they wouldn't have to run for the day! A cheap move, but hey what a way to save wear and tear on your car eh?
DUMB!
So if you retire in the first day, you are behind by how many minutes, or hours even??? What's the point?
You would have people intentionally retireing ala Burnsie's "my tire is flat", so they wouldn't have to run for the day! A cheap move, but hey what a way to save wear and tear on your car eh?
DUMB!
| cvalle-sd | 12-22-2003 11:03 AM |
Lawyerball Ensues.
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| fuzzy13 | 12-22-2003 01:52 PM |
Apparently they do this in the Australian Rally Championship:
[URL=link]http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/031222142454.shtml[/URL]
I thought the point of rallying was to see who can go the fastest and keep the car together for the whole event. I must've been mistaken.
I wish we could go back to motorsports being a sport and not a TV event.
[URL=link]http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/031222142454.shtml[/URL]
I thought the point of rallying was to see who can go the fastest and keep the car together for the whole event. I must've been mistaken.
I wish we could go back to motorsports being a sport and not a TV event.
| Jaxx | 12-22-2003 04:20 PM |
[quote] my next plan is to remove all those pesky right hand turns from the special stages, they are making it to darn difficult[/quote]
| Rapid_Roo | 12-22-2003 05:53 PM |
...from the guy who put grooves in tires but left the giant wings in F1.
what an A$$:furious:
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what an A$$:furious:
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| Turbogeek | 12-23-2003 05:53 AM |
Crikey, give the retirement plan a chance. Yes, it's used in Australia and it works bloody well. I very much doubt spectactors and competiors are complaining. Oh yeah, we heard these arguments before the idea came into effect, but now it's been in effect for some years, it's proven it works.
And what's this about rallying being about reliability? That went out the window 10 years ago. It's forest racing now and the old rallying is dead and gone.
And what's this about rallying being about reliability? That went out the window 10 years ago. It's forest racing now and the old rallying is dead and gone.
| cvalle-sd | 12-23-2003 10:18 AM |
So it makes sense for someone who crashes out of ss1 to get a point or two by running well on leg2 or 3, but the guy/gal who finishes the rally in 9th place gets f'all?:confused:
-or is it 11th - I forgot how many points-paying positions there are now.
-or is it 11th - I forgot how many points-paying positions there are now.
| eastbaysubaru | 12-23-2003 05:44 PM |
^Word!
As John mentioned, I don't like the sound of this 1000 pistes format either. The only WRC event I've been to (Acropolis) was hard enough to spectate at. I think we managed 2 stages a day in addition to a service and the opening/closing ceremonys.
-Brian
As John mentioned, I don't like the sound of this 1000 pistes format either. The only WRC event I've been to (Acropolis) was hard enough to spectate at. I think we managed 2 stages a day in addition to a service and the opening/closing ceremonys.
-Brian
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