| 86B | 08-16-2004 10:39 AM |
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Where do i get the yellow fogs spray tint?
And which ones work best...
Thanks~ :p
And which ones work best...
Thanks~ :p
| darknightohio | 08-16-2004 10:49 AM |
Why not get the protective films from rockblocker? They are colored.
[url]http://www.rockblocker.com/coloredfilm.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.rockblocker.com/coloredfilm.htm[/url]
| satrya | 08-16-2004 11:16 AM |
I've done both.
(1) Yellow spray tint:
Used Krylon's Stain Glass spray paint, sold either at hardware stores or craft stores like Michael's. They're not like the real stained glass process of course. The cost is about US$3-5 per can, and can be used to coat at least 2 pairs of 6" dia. fogs.
The advantages: (*) less expensive per fog than the colored protective film, (*) adjustable hue (deep or light color), (*) easier installation (just mask irrelevant areas and spray)
(2) Colored film:
Used Lamin-X (which is offered by Rockblocker here @ NASIOC).
The advantages: (*) provides coloring [B][U]and[/U][/B] protection from road debris impact, (*) smooth surface finish compared to the spray approach, (*) easier to remove (just peel instead of scraping the tint) if need be.
Note: although tint is easier to install, imho, installing clear/colored film on the fogs is not difficult once you get the hang of it. You can go to rockblocker's site ([url]www.rockblocker.com[/url]) for a professional installer's tip on self install, or see amateur's take on self install. E.g.:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283179[/url]
(1) Yellow spray tint:
Used Krylon's Stain Glass spray paint, sold either at hardware stores or craft stores like Michael's. They're not like the real stained glass process of course. The cost is about US$3-5 per can, and can be used to coat at least 2 pairs of 6" dia. fogs.
The advantages: (*) less expensive per fog than the colored protective film, (*) adjustable hue (deep or light color), (*) easier installation (just mask irrelevant areas and spray)
(2) Colored film:
Used Lamin-X (which is offered by Rockblocker here @ NASIOC).
The advantages: (*) provides coloring [B][U]and[/U][/B] protection from road debris impact, (*) smooth surface finish compared to the spray approach, (*) easier to remove (just peel instead of scraping the tint) if need be.
Note: although tint is easier to install, imho, installing clear/colored film on the fogs is not difficult once you get the hang of it. You can go to rockblocker's site ([url]www.rockblocker.com[/url]) for a professional installer's tip on self install, or see amateur's take on self install. E.g.:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283179[/url]
| N'CTRL | 08-16-2004 11:45 AM |
I got mine from [url]www.lamin-x.com[/url]. Good stuff.
| 86B | 08-16-2004 04:45 PM |
Thanks for the great replys... but
I'm looking for dark yellow hue and after checking out the lamin-x site and it seems like the yellow film protector doesn't seem to make the light yellow enough for me... also is the ones offtered by Roadblocker the same ones as Lamin-x?
BTW does anyone have a good quality pic of the light beam at night? Thanks~
As for the Krylon stained glass spray paint i like it how i can adjust the hue and darkness of the yellow... but can the spray paint be removed later on if not needed anymore? Anyone know about that?
I'm looking for dark yellow hue and after checking out the lamin-x site and it seems like the yellow film protector doesn't seem to make the light yellow enough for me... also is the ones offtered by Roadblocker the same ones as Lamin-x?
BTW does anyone have a good quality pic of the light beam at night? Thanks~
As for the Krylon stained glass spray paint i like it how i can adjust the hue and darkness of the yellow... but can the spray paint be removed later on if not needed anymore? Anyone know about that?
| Pallendo | 08-16-2004 05:26 PM |
Have you ever thought about getting bulbs that are "selective Yellow"?? This removes any wavelength of light except the yellow color and it is really nice. You can get almost any fog/headlight bulb in Selective Yellow in France, so I'm sure that you would be able to find it on the internet.
-Peter
-Peter
| satrya | 08-16-2004 06:49 PM |
[QUOTE=86B] ..seems like the yellow film protector doesn't seem to make the light yellow enough for me... [/QUOTE]
Then the stained glass spray paint may be for you. Of course, you can also use more than one sheet to make the color darker.
[QUOTE]also is the ones offtered by Roadblocker the same ones as Lamin-x?[/QUOTE]
Afaik, yes.
[QUOTE]As for the Krylon stained glass spray paint i like it how i can adjust the hue and darkness of the yellow... but can the spray paint be removed later on if not needed anymore? Anyone know about that?[/QUOTE]
If the lens surface is glass, you can scrape the color off, although it might take some time. If the lens surface is plastic, then the plastic lens surface may scar.
For the spray paint approach, I applied it on a clear lens protection film. So I can just peel the lens film off if I want to get rid of the color.
Regarding Pallendo's recommendation on selective yellow bulbs, there are a lot of them. Hella Yellowstars or some other bulbs that use the term "gold" should give out a yellow hue good for inclement weather. One example site is [url]www.suvlights.com[/url]
Then the stained glass spray paint may be for you. Of course, you can also use more than one sheet to make the color darker.
[QUOTE]also is the ones offtered by Roadblocker the same ones as Lamin-x?[/QUOTE]
Afaik, yes.
[QUOTE]As for the Krylon stained glass spray paint i like it how i can adjust the hue and darkness of the yellow... but can the spray paint be removed later on if not needed anymore? Anyone know about that?[/QUOTE]
If the lens surface is glass, you can scrape the color off, although it might take some time. If the lens surface is plastic, then the plastic lens surface may scar.
For the spray paint approach, I applied it on a clear lens protection film. So I can just peel the lens film off if I want to get rid of the color.
Regarding Pallendo's recommendation on selective yellow bulbs, there are a lot of them. Hella Yellowstars or some other bulbs that use the term "gold" should give out a yellow hue good for inclement weather. One example site is [url]www.suvlights.com[/url]
| brunetmj | 08-16-2004 07:07 PM |
Just get yellow bulbs. Darn if i can remember the name but Daniel Stern lighting sells them. google his name for the web site. Mine are a very deep yellow.
| 86B | 08-16-2004 09:00 PM |
Oops i forgot to mention that i want the Yellow Fogs color... but it is not for my foglights... BTW i also don't have a suby :p
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
Also i don't think there is bulb condoms for HIDs... and i have checked out 3100k HID bulbs... but they have a bad rep for burning out quickly and they don't produce the amount of yellow i would like just makes your car look like u have hologen instead of HIDs... i wouldn't want to spend $200 on bulbs that only last 6months... if they were $20 that would be a different story...
So i think my only solution is to go with the Yellow Lamin-X and if that doesn't work i'll have to go with Satrya's menthod with the clear Lamin-X and Krylon Glass Stain...
Everyone thanks for all your help... i guess now is to try it out ;)
Subys rock!!
Wish i had one... :(
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
Also i don't think there is bulb condoms for HIDs... and i have checked out 3100k HID bulbs... but they have a bad rep for burning out quickly and they don't produce the amount of yellow i would like just makes your car look like u have hologen instead of HIDs... i wouldn't want to spend $200 on bulbs that only last 6months... if they were $20 that would be a different story...
So i think my only solution is to go with the Yellow Lamin-X and if that doesn't work i'll have to go with Satrya's menthod with the clear Lamin-X and Krylon Glass Stain...
Everyone thanks for all your help... i guess now is to try it out ;)
Subys rock!!
Wish i had one... :(
| RockBlocker | 08-16-2004 11:50 PM |
[QUOTE=86B]Oops i forgot to mention that i want the Yellow Fogs color... but it is not for my foglights... BTW i also don't have a suby :p
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
So i think my only solution is to go with the Yellow Lamin-X and if that doesn't work i'll have to go with Satrya's menthod with the clear Lamin-X and Krylon Glass Stain...
Everyone thanks for all your help... i guess now is to try it out ;)
Subys rock!!
Wish i had one... :([/QUOTE]
If you need the Lamin-x let me know what you want and I will beat their prices to you. We have a sale going in the Vendor section right now.
Chad
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
So i think my only solution is to go with the Yellow Lamin-X and if that doesn't work i'll have to go with Satrya's menthod with the clear Lamin-X and Krylon Glass Stain...
Everyone thanks for all your help... i guess now is to try it out ;)
Subys rock!!
Wish i had one... :([/QUOTE]
If you need the Lamin-x let me know what you want and I will beat their prices to you. We have a sale going in the Vendor section right now.
Chad
| satrya | 08-16-2004 11:54 PM |
[QUOTE=86B]So i think my only solution is to go with the Yellow Lamin-X and if that doesn't work i'll have to go with Satrya's menthod with the clear Lamin-X and Krylon Glass Stain...[/QUOTE]
I thought the IS300 already have yellow tinted fogs.
As far as the lens protection sheets, the Lamin-X ones are available in yellow, smoked, and "HID look". There are also other brands with different thickness that is clear, like the ones that Rockblocker sells.
By the way, some vendors like Rockblocker have both the colored and clear in uncut sheets as well as those cut to match specific car models. For your particular purpose, I'd go with uncut sheets, and put on 1 layer, and possibly a second layer if it isn't dark enough. Beyond that, I'd start using the spray paint. 3 layers is probably not a good idea.
I thought the IS300 already have yellow tinted fogs.
As far as the lens protection sheets, the Lamin-X ones are available in yellow, smoked, and "HID look". There are also other brands with different thickness that is clear, like the ones that Rockblocker sells.
By the way, some vendors like Rockblocker have both the colored and clear in uncut sheets as well as those cut to match specific car models. For your particular purpose, I'd go with uncut sheets, and put on 1 layer, and possibly a second layer if it isn't dark enough. Beyond that, I'd start using the spray paint. 3 layers is probably not a good idea.
| 86B | 08-17-2004 02:59 AM |
[QUOTE=RockBlocker]If you need the Lamin-x let me know what you want and I will beat their prices to you. We have a sale going in the Vendor section right now.
Chad[/QUOTE]
Do you have the ones that are pre-cut to fit the IS300 front headlighs?
Chad[/QUOTE]
Do you have the ones that are pre-cut to fit the IS300 front headlighs?
| Pallendo | 08-17-2004 03:25 AM |
[QUOTE=86B]Oops i forgot to mention that i want the Yellow Fogs color... but it is not for my foglights... BTW i also don't have a suby :p
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
Also i don't think there is bulb condoms for HIDs... and i have checked out 3100k HID bulbs... but they have a bad rep for burning out quickly and they don't produce the amount of yellow i would like just makes your car look like u have hologen instead of HIDs... i wouldn't want to spend $200 on bulbs that only last 6months... if they were $20 that would be a different story...[/QUOTE]
One problem I can see with HID's and yellow tinting... HID's don't produce much light in the yellow range, so if you block out all the light except the yellow, you will have almost NO LIGHT at all. Please re-consider this one.
I'm looking to tint my front lens on my IS300 yellow to get the Altezza touring cup look... ;)
(JDM :D )
Also i don't think there is bulb condoms for HIDs... and i have checked out 3100k HID bulbs... but they have a bad rep for burning out quickly and they don't produce the amount of yellow i would like just makes your car look like u have hologen instead of HIDs... i wouldn't want to spend $200 on bulbs that only last 6months... if they were $20 that would be a different story...[/QUOTE]
One problem I can see with HID's and yellow tinting... HID's don't produce much light in the yellow range, so if you block out all the light except the yellow, you will have almost NO LIGHT at all. Please re-consider this one.
| Wolfen42 | 08-17-2004 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE=Pallendo]One problem I can see with HID's and yellow tinting... HID's don't produce much light in the yellow range, so if you block out all the light except the yellow, you will have almost NO LIGHT at all. Please re-consider this one.[/QUOTE]
That's funny... I have HID's in my fogs with two layers of that Lamin-X Yellow film and they STILL produce significantly more light than my stock fogs did. (And it's still nicely spread out along the ground so no glare for others)
That's funny... I have HID's in my fogs with two layers of that Lamin-X Yellow film and they STILL produce significantly more light than my stock fogs did. (And it's still nicely spread out along the ground so no glare for others)
| 86B | 08-17-2004 12:47 PM |
Pallendo thanks for your concern... but i think i'm still going to try it out and see how that turns out... it's not expensive and it's reversible so no harm in trying... :p
Wolfen42 do you have any night time pics of your fogs? If so can you please post it because i want to see the result in 2 layers of Lamin-X and what it looks like... Thanks~ :)
Wolfen42 do you have any night time pics of your fogs? If so can you please post it because i want to see the result in 2 layers of Lamin-X and what it looks like... Thanks~ :)
| RockBlocker | 08-18-2004 10:26 AM |
[QUOTE=86B]Do you have the ones that are pre-cut to fit the IS300 front headlighs?[/QUOTE]
I only have bulk film for the IS300 lights right now. Let me know.
I only have bulk film for the IS300 lights right now. Let me know.
| JeffInMonterey | 10-23-2004 03:20 AM |
[QUOTE=Wolfen42]That's funny... I have HID's in my fogs with two layers of that Lamin-X Yellow film and they STILL produce significantly more light than my stock fogs did. (And it's still nicely spread out along the ground so no glare for others)[/QUOTE]
Wolfen42:
How do you like the Lamin-X yellow film? I am getting some for my lights, and some clear for the regular lights.
What kind of HID set up did you get for your fogs?
Jeff
Wolfen42:
How do you like the Lamin-X yellow film? I am getting some for my lights, and some clear for the regular lights.
What kind of HID set up did you get for your fogs?
Jeff
| imprezavness | 10-24-2004 01:04 AM |
woah i wanna see pics of the yellow and smoke if any one has em
| ChrisRC | 10-24-2004 02:02 AM |
Will I get better fog light output with clear bulbs, yellow bulbs, or aftermarket HIDs? Any recommendations? Thanks.
| AspWhtRex | 10-24-2004 11:37 AM |
I have the lamin x covers and also catz gold foglights bulbs and all i got to say is they are very yellow and i love them!!
| satrya | 10-24-2004 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisRC]Will I get better fog light output with clear bulbs, yellow bulbs, or aftermarket HIDs?[/QUOTE]
Output depends on what you need the fogs for.
(1) Color
For lighting up the road & sides in foul weather, filtering the light such that yellow is emphasized reduces glare caused by colors on the shorter wavelength like blue & green, at the expense of some/minor reduced intensity even in the yellow range. Afaik, there is hardly any difference between using a yellow tinted bulb vs yellow tint on the lens cover, although it is probably better to do the filtering on the lens instead on the bulb surface for heat dissipation consideration.
For lighting up the road & sides in normal weather, imho having a balanced color close to white allows you to see colors the way you see them in daylight. Also, I believe there is no benefit in filtering out the shorter wavelength unless you're talking about seeing very far distances that legal lighting systems cannot reach.
(2) HID or Halogen
Whether this is achieved with a halogen or HID is a separate matter imho.
If we're talking about retrofitting an existing foglight unit with reflectors designed for Halogen bulbs, then the HID will definitely [U]look[/U] brighter. However, the beam pattern will most likely be different. Chances are, increase in brightness also results in more light aimed above the horizontal plane, blinding oncoming traffic.
If we're talking about comparing a foglight with Halogen bulbs vs a foglight with a HID (that is designed for the HID), then watt-for-watt, the HID will be able to throw more light.
my 2 cents
Output depends on what you need the fogs for.
(1) Color
For lighting up the road & sides in foul weather, filtering the light such that yellow is emphasized reduces glare caused by colors on the shorter wavelength like blue & green, at the expense of some/minor reduced intensity even in the yellow range. Afaik, there is hardly any difference between using a yellow tinted bulb vs yellow tint on the lens cover, although it is probably better to do the filtering on the lens instead on the bulb surface for heat dissipation consideration.
For lighting up the road & sides in normal weather, imho having a balanced color close to white allows you to see colors the way you see them in daylight. Also, I believe there is no benefit in filtering out the shorter wavelength unless you're talking about seeing very far distances that legal lighting systems cannot reach.
(2) HID or Halogen
Whether this is achieved with a halogen or HID is a separate matter imho.
If we're talking about retrofitting an existing foglight unit with reflectors designed for Halogen bulbs, then the HID will definitely [U]look[/U] brighter. However, the beam pattern will most likely be different. Chances are, increase in brightness also results in more light aimed above the horizontal plane, blinding oncoming traffic.
If we're talking about comparing a foglight with Halogen bulbs vs a foglight with a HID (that is designed for the HID), then watt-for-watt, the HID will be able to throw more light.
my 2 cents
| ChrisRC | 10-24-2004 03:24 PM |
Thanks for the information, Satrya. I've heard the bright foglights can actually reduce your night vision while driving. Apparently your eyes will have a more difficult time adjusting to see in the distance with the closer and bright(er) light from the fogs present. I have no idea if this is true, but it seems logical. Any ideas on where to purchase HIDs for 2004+ foglights? Thanks.
| sirbryanclark | 10-24-2004 04:11 PM |
i think hella makes some yellow bulbs...
| satrya | 10-24-2004 06:03 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisRC]Thanks for the information, Satrya. I've heard the bright foglights can actually reduce your night vision while driving.[/QUOTE]
No problem. The reduced night vision argument is similar to the initial difficulty seeing things in a dark room after coming from a very bright room.
The question is, given a certain % increase in brightness of your fogs, what is the % deterioriation on your night vision. I'm sure if we're talking about a 130+ W foglight, used while driving on highways in fair weather, night vision can be significantly affected. But a properly aimed, mere 35W foglight, that supplements the dark spot of US code headlights a little should be OK.
In any case, I believe the idea is that a foglight should not be used in normal weather at highway speeds.
[QUOTE]Any ideas on where to purchase HIDs for 2004+ foglights? [/QUOTE]
If you mean a retrofit that will fit the oem fog projectors of the my2004+s, I don't know. Assuming that the intention is to use foglights as a visibility aid in inclement weather, imho, the whiter/bluer hue of the HIDs need to be taken care of with some filtering.
Hella makes a Micro DE line, which comes in Halogen and HID variants, and your choice of Driving (the 20 degree spot beam I believe) and Fog patterns. They have a small profile which should make fitting them onto the foglight location simple enough. You may be able to keep the original foglight trim, perhaps with a little gasket to fill the gap.
One reputable place I know of that sell the Micro DEs is Susquehanna Motorsports: [url]http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Auxiliary_Lamps.htm[/url]
(Note: I had some trouble navigating just now, so in case you're also having trouble when you try that url, they also sell their products on eBay).
No problem. The reduced night vision argument is similar to the initial difficulty seeing things in a dark room after coming from a very bright room.
The question is, given a certain % increase in brightness of your fogs, what is the % deterioriation on your night vision. I'm sure if we're talking about a 130+ W foglight, used while driving on highways in fair weather, night vision can be significantly affected. But a properly aimed, mere 35W foglight, that supplements the dark spot of US code headlights a little should be OK.
In any case, I believe the idea is that a foglight should not be used in normal weather at highway speeds.
[QUOTE]Any ideas on where to purchase HIDs for 2004+ foglights? [/QUOTE]
If you mean a retrofit that will fit the oem fog projectors of the my2004+s, I don't know. Assuming that the intention is to use foglights as a visibility aid in inclement weather, imho, the whiter/bluer hue of the HIDs need to be taken care of with some filtering.
Hella makes a Micro DE line, which comes in Halogen and HID variants, and your choice of Driving (the 20 degree spot beam I believe) and Fog patterns. They have a small profile which should make fitting them onto the foglight location simple enough. You may be able to keep the original foglight trim, perhaps with a little gasket to fill the gap.
One reputable place I know of that sell the Micro DEs is Susquehanna Motorsports: [url]http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Auxiliary_Lamps.htm[/url]
(Note: I had some trouble navigating just now, so in case you're also having trouble when you try that url, they also sell their products on eBay).
| ChrisRC | 10-24-2004 06:30 PM |
Those look pretty nice, though I did encounter the navigation problems. I wonder if anyone has already installed the Micro DEs in the fog light surround . . . I don't really want to be the first! :)
| satrya | 10-24-2004 08:13 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisRC]I wonder if anyone has already installed the Micro DEs in the fog light surround[/QUOTE]
I'm quite sure it has been done. Iirc, a member by the name of brunetmj tried it at one point. brunetmj posted about the Micro DE in the past. The post(s) should come up in the search.
I'm quite sure it has been done. Iirc, a member by the name of brunetmj tried it at one point. brunetmj posted about the Micro DE in the past. The post(s) should come up in the search.
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