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Shaved, wire tucked, and custom engine bays? part 4

D Money 02-06-2009 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=mannslayer;25462073]:lol: comparing hydra to the likes of autronic and motec... their not even in the same league. you've got the best of everything, why skimp on engine control?

unless you're sponsored by hydra or one of their suppliers it doesnt seem too late to make a switch, and it doesnt seem like cash is much of an issue. you'll have much better engine management and a much cleaner engine bay.

heck you could even run real antilag and flip it on when u roll into those aggressive wheel meets :banana:[/QUOTE]

I will be running hydra. Thanks, you had some valuable advice up until your last comment. :unamused:

[QUOTE=007WRX;25463975]QTF :lol:[/QUOTE]

I hope you die.

[QUOTE=ekw;25465479]D -
did you ever look into the pros/cons of having sheet metal or aluminum "covers" made and then welded in over the existing panels?

then it would be "perfect" w/ no filler.

just curious. I have no actual practical experience w/ this, and I am not going to pretend to be an internet expert.
but it strikes me as a viable option.[/QUOTE]

Those are welded in metal plates. It's so hard to explain this over and over. The body filler is issed on the last stage to smooth the imperfections of the metal work out. You cannot get the metal work smooth enough without the body filler. This is how the process works...
ekw 02-06-2009 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=D Money;25483039]
Those are welded in metal plates. It's so hard to explain this over and over. The body filler is issed on the last stage to smooth the imperfections of the metal work out. You cannot get the metal work smooth enough without the body filler. This is how the process works...[/QUOTE]

I comprehend the use of the filler, tho I can understand how you might feel otherwise from my question.

when you say "plates" do you mean big enough to fill a small hole,
or a plate big enough to cover a large area?

I was under the impression that the individual holes had been welded up,
unneeded bosses & welds ground down, etc.

what I was referring to was an alternative to that process,
NOT a dig at the use of the filler.
just an alternative approach.
like the way that you cover a door w/ a door panel, as opposed to patching all the holes in it.

nevermind.
I am not explaining it very well.

and since you're pretty sure I'm not bright enough to read or look at the pictures,
it's unlikely that you're going to invest the effort to try to follow my crappy explanation.

it looks good.
looking forward to more pictures, unless the rest is too top secret for eventual release.
D Money 02-06-2009 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=ekw;25483749]I comprehend the use of the filler, tho I can understand how you might feel otherwise from my question.

when you say "plates" do you mean big enough to fill a small hole,
or a plate big enough to cover a large area?

I was under the impression that the individual holes had been welded up,
unneeded bosses & welds ground down, etc.

what I was referring to was an alternative to that process,
NOT a dig at the use of the filler.
just an alternative approach.
like the way that you cover a door w/ a door panel, as opposed to patching all the holes in it.

nevermind.
I am not explaining it very well.

and since you're pretty sure I'm not bright enough to read or look at the pictures,
it's unlikely that you're going to invest the effort to try to follow my crappy explanation.

it looks good.
looking forward to more pictures, unless the rest is too top secret for eventual release.[/QUOTE]

I in no way questioned your ability to comprehend the pictures or process. I apologize if you think that I was, I truely am.

The metal plates if you look in the 2nd set of pics I posted are huge and shaped as the sides of the engine bay are. That piece is about 12" by 12" by 10" or something wild, I don't exactly recal. For the little holes, those are each welded individually and the recessed bumps are cut out, welded in new patches, and grinded smooth. The last step is the body filler, a thin layer is always applied and smoothed down with hours of sanding and shaping. Then you get the finished product, throw it in primer and you're ready for paint. An engine bay like this is probably about a 40+hr job, EASILY. I'd reccommend that you only let a PRO do it. In this case, it was a hot-rod enthusiest shop which the owner has about 30+ years in expierience.
quadtard 02-06-2009 12:24 PM

Yeah, I think ekw is talking about redoing the whole shape of the fender walls with sheet metal, kinda like the JUN cars.

[IMG]http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9207/april6th2007039gt3.jpg[/IMG]

Except maybe not as aggressive.
D Money 02-06-2009 12:40 PM

Yes, fender tubs. I was going to go that route, but cutting out your shock towers is kinda sketchy. Those are a HUGE structural part on your car, I doubt little sheet metal ones welded in could be safe in a front end crash as they cannot be as good as the factory ones.

If I welded them over top then well, that's kinda gay? The whole point of a fender tub is to fit bigger wheels without rubbing, or be lower without rubbing. That's where we all rub on our cars in the front, that dumb part that hangs down near the wheel.

Function over form on that one! lol

PS-that's a team orange car, not a JUN car.
ac1italiano 02-06-2009 02:11 PM

Do it
007WRX 02-06-2009 02:29 PM

Common Dim, you can give out critism but can't take a little..

:(
D Money 02-06-2009 02:39 PM

Who said I can't take critism? You just like to believe what you want to believe, I can't really change your mind. You have this view like this car doesn't get driven at all LOL.

Number 1, it gets parked outside on the street. Not even a garage queen, it sleeps OUTSIDE. Number 2, I drive it to every place I go, I do not own a trailer. No more numbers LOL. hahaha
007WRX 02-06-2009 02:42 PM

:lol: it's all in good fun, I like the build you have going.
D Money 02-06-2009 02:44 PM

I don't get you bro, I really don't.
007WRX 02-06-2009 02:53 PM

It's alright, most people don't. Just ask mannslayer :lol:
D Money 02-06-2009 03:07 PM

oh figures, that's your buddy huh? Nice....
ekw 02-06-2009 04:26 PM

[QUOTE=D Money;25483831]
The metal plates if you look in the 2nd set of pics I posted are huge and shaped as the sides of the engine bay are. That piece is about 12" by 12" by 10" or something wild, I don't exactly recal. For the little holes, those are each welded individually and the recessed bumps are cut out, welded in new patches, and grinded smooth. [/QUOTE]


maybe I AM a smacked ass . . . :lol:
so, you are kind of doing a hybrid approach between "spot by spot" and "full tub".

[SIZE="6"]NOW[/SIZE] I get it. :D

I was thinking it was all spot by spot, and was wondering if the plate or tub approach might be less labor intensive.

don't worry, my skin is pretty thick (it's a matched set w/ my head!)

when I read your first reply, I thought "Jeez, he thinks I think the whole thing is made of bondo!"
:lol:

it's looking good.
your patience is appreciated. ;)
D Money 02-06-2009 04:43 PM

haha. You see this picture?

[img]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/jakass76/WRX%20progress%20pics/get-attachment.jpg[/img]

That shinny part on the side of the fender well is one piece of sheet metal. If you go back and look at the stock pics, there are huge indents and ridges in that spot along with 3 huge holes. That sheet metal piece covered it all up and made it smooth.
TRooper 02-06-2009 05:08 PM

D money, I'm glad someone has decided to tackle this. Your progress really seems to be coming along rather well. I'm looking forward to seeing more pics of the process and a completed pic.

This has always been one my favorite Subaru enginebays.
[IMG]http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/ibtpicturesareugly/20050424aa184259P01.jpg[/IMG]

Rather than getting a Tilton style pedal assy, you may want to look into the STi Group N Brake servo spacer kit to get rid of the brake booster.
[img]http://www.rallispec.com/images_thumb/rstH200.jpg[/img]
D Money 02-07-2009 09:12 AM

^yes, that bay is nice. I posted it in this thread somewhere. It looks better now that the car is silver and he smoothed it a little better this time around.

What does that brake servo do? any links on how much or what it would get rid of? It looks like it replaces the booster and the msb screws onto that piece?
xdrian 02-07-2009 09:46 AM

[QUOTE=D Money;25494831]^yes, that bay is nice. I posted it in this thread somewhere. It looks better now that the car is silver and he smoothed it a little better this time around.

What does that brake servo do? any links on how much or what it would get rid of? It looks like it replaces the booster and the msb screws onto that piece?[/QUOTE]



[url]http://rallispec.com/prod_brake.htm[/url]

if you get it, let me know how it works out< im interested in this
D Money 02-07-2009 10:43 AM

^damn dude I really want that now. No modifications needed? It uses 4 washers and the pin behind the dash to connect to the firewall and then the mc connects to that piece? Wow I have to get it, just don't want to spend the money.

How much would a pedal assembly be?
JeffrWRX 02-07-2009 11:16 AM

[QUOTE=D Money;25415217]I wish I lived in cali because I would delete the heater and **** as well haha.[/QUOTE]

Dont be a wuss! Just do it...You have heat in your DD...
D Money 02-07-2009 11:22 AM

Should I really delete the heater? I didn't fill those holes though so its too late. I did delete the window wipers hahahaha
JeffrWRX 02-07-2009 11:35 AM

My wipers are gone too...

Its up to you, you are in NJ...but how often will you drive the car in the winter?
D Money 02-07-2009 11:41 AM

To be honest, alot. It gets cold here in October and I usually drive the car here and there even in Jan, Feb, March etc...
Richardcranium419 02-07-2009 12:37 PM

keep up the good work guys. you are giving me some really good weight loss ideas. I will post up some pics as I get things going.
Richardcranium419 02-10-2009 04:32 PM

Bumping from pg 4 any updates?
9vapors 02-10-2009 05:32 PM

Go for the servo D! Anything is better than having that huge brake booster in your face as soon as you open the hood. I say go for it. As far as the heater, I would probably leave it. The only reason I say so is for when you want to use it to clear the windows... I don't know, I am keeping mine...
shep21 02-11-2009 01:37 AM

nice progress. had to subscribe to this one. last time I saw your car you had that super clean front bumper delete goin on. :D
D Money 02-11-2009 11:55 PM

Alright, thanks John. I have a pm in waiting on price and availability. I am keeping the heater, we need it where we live.

Shep, I still got that bumper and am willing to trade it for a completely stock bumper if you know anyone. I have new updates as the car is painted now, just don't want to release those photos as of yet. No sense in ruining the surprise. lol
Rice Devil 02-12-2009 03:30 AM

coming along nicely then D, shoot me a pic in PM!

Looking forward to seeing the finished bugeye of 2009!


Ricey
Dokturseuss 02-12-2009 09:25 AM

those engine bays look like they have so much more room then my 2.2 L ><
9vapors 02-12-2009 01:45 PM

D, sell me that bumper...
shep21 02-12-2009 04:33 PM

ha i gotcha.
Mechie3 02-12-2009 04:51 PM

Are there any issues to be had by extending the harness on the 02 sensor or the MAF?
girodisc 02-12-2009 06:17 PM

No if you extend the wires at closest to the pigtail. The MAF and O2 wires are isolated to protect them from the interference of the other wires in the harness but if your not grouping them together with other wires you can extend them with no issues. Or you can get a hydra and not worry about it :)

Johann
Mechie3 02-12-2009 09:39 PM

Ok. I actually extended mine last spring through the fender. I started having trouble several months later, but I'm pretty sure it's a vacuum/boost leak that I can't track down. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't screwed myself over some other way.
SubieWReX 02-13-2009 04:43 PM

These motors look so clean. If I had a car a non-DD car I would definitely do this
D Money 02-13-2009 04:49 PM

[QUOTE=9vapors;25563901]D, sell me that bumper...[/QUOTE]

It's all yours bro! I aready said, just find a used stock bumper not cut and I will give you mine. LMK, it would look great on your car.

[QUOTE=Mechie3;25566713]Are there any issues to be had by extending the harness on the 02 sensor or the MAF?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=girodisc;25567952]No if you extend the wires at closest to the pigtail. The MAF and O2 wires are isolated to protect them from the interference of the other wires in the harness but if your not grouping them together with other wires you can extend them with no issues. Or you can get a hydra and not worry about it :)

Johann[/QUOTE]

I have a hydra!:D
sleepersti04 02-13-2009 09:20 PM

we need pictures
Wintershredder 02-14-2009 11:58 AM

[QUOTE=sleepersti04;25584219]we need pictures[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I dont see why its such a big secret. It's not like anyone is going to print out a picture of your engine bay and lay it over theirs.:huh:
vtecTHIS 02-14-2009 12:56 PM

its prob more cuz everytime he posts pix ,the awesome nasioc e-tuners come out in all their infinite wisdom. and point out things they say are wrong, about something they know nothing about.
sleepersti04 02-14-2009 01:15 PM

I agree^^ but your going to have that no matter what your doing.
just make sure it has rims, lowered, and a lip and 99% of people here will like it
Wintershredder 02-14-2009 04:20 PM

**** it, its gonna be all show, no go anyway. Until your god awful interior is stripped and caged, its still a magazine whore car.
D Money 02-14-2009 09:12 PM

[QUOTE=Wintershredder;25590353]**** it, its gonna be all show, no go anyway. Until your god awful interior is stripped and caged, its still a magazine whore car.[/QUOTE]

haha this is great. My motor/drivetrain/turbo setup will put down the same or more power than most these race car subaru's you see. I didn't know 650whp is considered no go these days. :rolleyes:

And god awful interior, seriously? 4k on two front seats that are one of the rarest seats on the market is awful? The only thing that will be stripped is my trunk and that will be filled up with my fuel cell, battery box, fuel surge tank setup, more -an fittings than you know existed and my external fuel pump(s)......

[QUOTE=sleepersti04;25588955]I agree^^ but your going to have that no matter what your doing.
just make sure it has rims, lowered, and a lip and 99% of people here will like it[/QUOTE]

Whatever I do people will like. When was the last time you've read any posts about me?

[QUOTE=vtecTHIS;25588802]its prob more cuz everytime he posts pix ,the awesome nasioc e-tuners come out in all their infinite wisdom. and point out things they say are wrong, about something they know nothing about.[/QUOTE]

haha quoted for truth.

[QUOTE=Wintershredder;25588362]Agreed. I dont see why its such a big secret. It's not like anyone is going to print out a picture of your engine bay and lay it over theirs.:huh:[/QUOTE]

The car is a secret because I chose it to be that way. I don't want people taking my ideas or ruining the revealing of the car. When it's finshed in about a month or two, I guarantee your mouth hits the floor.
9vapors 02-14-2009 10:02 PM

I hate when people come into a thread and act like they know what the **** peoples intentions are. D is doing it different this time. Show and go, a little something for everyone. Haters doing work...
5spdfrk 02-14-2009 10:04 PM

I'm excited! I can't wait to see what's been cooking in the lab!
Wintershredder 02-15-2009 02:55 AM

My mouth already hit the floor when i realized i payed that much for that crap issue of subiesport. I think its hilarious that you are saying it will produce 650whp without anything in the car. if you come close to that number, i will simply be amazed. Plus, i bet a real driver with a stock sti will still beat you at the track:p

About the interior, i have an opinion, as do you. You cant base how much moniez you spent on how nice it is. Rare=who the hell cares. My two front seats were more than yours and probably way more rare than yours, especially in the subaru scene, but i dont go flaunting or bragging. I dont give a **** how much you spend. I dont try to impress others by spending ungodly amounts of money. :devil:
D Money 02-15-2009 03:20 AM

Subiesport was in 07', we're in 09' so you have no idea.

You ask where I get those numbers? Well asking my tuner, engine builder, and gauging the numbers from others with similiar less setup cars than mine.

Run better times with a stock sti? Search me on youtube. I drive the **** out of this car. In 04' I went 12.6 on a vf34, in 05' I went 12.2 on a 18g ewg, and the list can keep going. Don't talk **** when you have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even seen you post but it looks like you're just a hater. I'm not too worried about you, you're probably just some scrub. lol But in all honesty, why would you come out of no where and talk ****? Be honest, I have no idea who you are and have never done or said anything to you before in my life. Makes absolutely no sense at all....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymdNknd8Xo[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgcd1Sc2buU[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XeFrQMnko8&feature=related[/url]
Wintershredder 02-15-2009 12:26 PM

[QUOTE=D Money;25594925]Subiesport was in 07', we're in 09' so you have no idea.

You ask where I get those numbers? Well asking my tuner, engine builder, and gauging the numbers from others with similiar less setup cars than mine.

Run better times with a stock sti? Search me on youtube. I drive the **** out of this car. In 04' I went 12.6 on a vf34, in 05' I went 12.2 on a 18g ewg, and the list can keep going. Don't talk **** when you have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even seen you post but it looks like you're just a hater. I'm not too worried about you, you're probably just some scrub. lol But in all honesty, why would you come out of no where and talk ****? Be honest, I have no idea who you are and have never done or said anything to you before in my life. Makes absolutely no sense at all....

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymdNknd8Xo[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgcd1Sc2buU[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XeFrQMnko8&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]

Those videos are a dime a dozen on youtube. I didnt see anything special, just some people doing a few rolling start pulls. So, you are a drag racer? I wouldnt consider drag racing, "driving the **** out of your car", more driving the **** out of your transmission.

I am going to guess you have at least a large frame gt40 in the works. You will also be running high boost and racefuel to get near those number. Stock redline is obviously going to be out of the question with a turbo that big. As far as the 650whp claim, prove me wrong.

As far as me being a scrub, i am white and have no idea what that slang means. So, okay.

Anyway, good luck, you will need it.
Rice Devil 02-15-2009 01:10 PM

Wintershredder, if your not interested in the thread dont read it or post!!!

Your boring and just wanting to start a wind up!


Ricey
5spdfrk 02-15-2009 01:13 PM

Agreed! Take it to PMs if you're that bent on spewing trash. Keep this thread clean.
island boyeee 02-15-2009 01:18 PM

i'm sensing a "ban" here... anyone?
9vapors 02-15-2009 03:03 PM

[QUOTE=Wintershredder;25596611]
As far as me being a scrub, i am white and have no idea what that slang means. So, okay.

Anyway, good luck, you will need it.[/QUOTE]

You are a douchebag, know what that means? GTFO ass...
sleepersti04 02-15-2009 04:06 PM

[quote=sleepersti04;25588955]I agree^^ but your going to have that no matter what your doing.
just make sure it has rims, lowered, and a lip and 99% of people here will like it[/quote]


I didn't mean anything bad, I meant that I like what your doing and people will always hate on new ideas. I love the idea of what your doing and can't wait to see it done.

sorry for the confusion
Wintershredder 02-15-2009 04:31 PM

Ban me fanboys, i dont give a ****. :)
iheartmysuby 02-15-2009 04:40 PM

people are going to hate no matter what you do D. but please, screw drag and go to an actual track with the beast when its done.
Dom Terreto 02-15-2009 05:56 PM

gheyboy... I'm still waitin on some teasers... Oh and shredder would definitely pwn you big time... lolollolo
domestic_abuser 02-15-2009 06:23 PM

[quote=D Money;25393954]Labor, tuning, fabrication was all sponsored, so what are you talking about? I've got 25k just in drivetrain PARTS. ;)

Then if you want to talk about jdm parts, wheels, interior, paint, body work, etc...

Sure you do the work yourself, that's why your **** looks terrible. My work is done by professionals. I want to see you show me a nicer engine bay when it's all said and done.

Exactly, it's only that homo. I would fight him if I ever met him. :banana:[/quote]

D your funny as hell, who needs to fight when you can crush a guy with your wallet?...but come on man...I did all my own work:sadbanana: lol

One day I'll shave my engine bay so I can be as cool as you, until then I'll rub my hood in your face lol. :banana:

looks good homie
007WRX 02-15-2009 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=D Money;25592522]haha this is great. My motor/drivetrain/turbo setup will put down the same or more power than most these race car subaru's you see. I didn't know 650whp is considered no go these days. :rolleyes:

And god awful interior, seriously? 4k on two front seats that are one of the rarest seats on the market is awful? The only thing that will be stripped is my trunk and that will be filled up with my fuel cell, battery box, fuel surge tank setup, more -an fittings than you know existed and my external fuel pump(s)......
[/QUOTE]

Why is it that every comeback you say involves how much money you have put into your car. And common, AN fittings, who give a **** how many you have, thats just ridiculous.

I can't wait to see 650whp on your dyno sheet.

Cheers.
007WRX 02-15-2009 07:54 PM

And post some pictures or something, this thread is seriously lacking content :)
Dom Terreto 02-15-2009 07:58 PM

I've definitely learned one thing over the years tho... never predict a number for power!! Too many factors and possibilities
mannslayer 02-15-2009 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=D Money;25592522]The only thing that will be stripped is my trunk and that will be filled up with my fuel cell, battery box, fuel surge tank setup, more -an fittings than you know existed and my external fuel pump(s)......[/QUOTE]

:lol:.

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