| Wr4wrX | 07-12-2006 01:37 AM |
Formula 1, Round 11, Grand Prix of France
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Renault's home circuit, McLaren driver jumble, Red Bull hates France, on and on...
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[QUOTE]
TV Schecule
[B]***All Times Pacific***[/B]
5.00 AM Friday, July 14: Practice on Speed TV (Live)
5.00 AM Saturday, July 15: Qualifying on Speed TV (Live)
4.30 AM Sunday, July 16: Grand Prix on Speed TV (Live)
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Also, remember to make your picks for Pick 6 before the first practice session.
[url]http://motorsport.com/compete/[/url]
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[QUOTE]
TV Schecule
[B]***All Times Pacific***[/B]
5.00 AM Friday, July 14: Practice on Speed TV (Live)
5.00 AM Saturday, July 15: Qualifying on Speed TV (Live)
4.30 AM Sunday, July 16: Grand Prix on Speed TV (Live)
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Also, remember to make your picks for Pick 6 before the first practice session.
[url]http://motorsport.com/compete/[/url]
| bitterWRX | 07-12-2006 03:30 AM |
This looks like a fun race course.
1. Alonso
2. Raikkonnen
3. Schumi
4. De la Rosa :D
5. Button
1. Alonso
2. Raikkonnen
3. Schumi
4. De la Rosa :D
5. Button
| grandpa rex | 07-12-2006 06:50 AM |
1. Beldar Conehead
2. Charles DeGaulle
3. ZiZou
4. Brigette Bardot
5. Louis Pasteur
6. Jerry Lewis
2. Charles DeGaulle
3. ZiZou
4. Brigette Bardot
5. Louis Pasteur
6. Jerry Lewis
| finnRex | 07-12-2006 08:38 AM |
Let's hope for better results this week...
1. M.Schumacher
2. F.Alonso
3. K.Raikkonen
4. P.Rosa
5. G.Fisichella
6. F.Massa
7. R.Schumacher
8. R.Barrichello
Mika
1. M.Schumacher
2. F.Alonso
3. K.Raikkonen
4. P.Rosa
5. G.Fisichella
6. F.Massa
7. R.Schumacher
8. R.Barrichello
Mika
| Golfa | 07-12-2006 08:46 AM |
maybe this time everyone won't crash out at the beginning
1. Alonso
2. Fisi
3. Schumi
4. Kimi
There's no way renault won't win this, as much as i'd like to see Michael keep charging for championship points lead
1. Alonso
2. Fisi
3. Schumi
4. Kimi
There's no way renault won't win this, as much as i'd like to see Michael keep charging for championship points lead
| wvallwheeldrive | 07-12-2006 09:14 AM |
Back to the all Alonso all the time show.
1. F.Alonso
2. M.Schumacher
3. G.Fisichella
4. K.Raikkonen
5. F.Massa
6. M.Webber
7. R.Schumacher
8. S.Speed
1. F.Alonso
2. M.Schumacher
3. G.Fisichella
4. K.Raikkonen
5. F.Massa
6. M.Webber
7. R.Schumacher
8. S.Speed
| enduroshark | 07-12-2006 09:17 AM |
1. MSchu
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Fisi
5. Massa
6. Nico
7. Button
8. Heidfeld
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Fisi
5. Massa
6. Nico
7. Button
8. Heidfeld
| ccortinas | 07-12-2006 09:49 AM |
1. MSchu
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Fisi
5. Nico
6. Massa
7. Coulthard
8. Trulli
2. Alonso
3. Kimi
4. Fisi
5. Nico
6. Massa
7. Coulthard
8. Trulli
| Ferg | 07-12-2006 09:59 AM |
let's see...
1. Montoya
um....****!
Honestly I don't even feel like wathing the race this weekend. I think I may give the snooze fest that is Magny-Cours a pass.
1. Montoya
um....****!
Honestly I don't even feel like wathing the race this weekend. I think I may give the snooze fest that is Magny-Cours a pass.
| NYEJ25 | 07-12-2006 11:07 AM |
1. FA
2. MS
3. KR
4. GF
5. Ralf
6. FM
7. RB
8. Nico
2. MS
3. KR
4. GF
5. Ralf
6. FM
7. RB
8. Nico
| kfoote | 07-12-2006 11:43 AM |
I predict that the entire crowd, and all the French drivers will flee on the last lap of the race, when, unbeknownst to anyone, F1 decides to adopt the use of the waving white flag at start finish to indicate the last lap of the race.
Results:
1. Alonso
2. M. Schumacher
3. Fisi
4. Massa
5. de la Rosa
6. R. Schumacher
7. Barichello
8. Rosberg
Kimi will break something in the drivetrain coming out of the Adelaide hairpin while running third just after half way through the race. Button will mechanical DNF as well.
Results:
1. Alonso
2. M. Schumacher
3. Fisi
4. Massa
5. de la Rosa
6. R. Schumacher
7. Barichello
8. Rosberg
Kimi will break something in the drivetrain coming out of the Adelaide hairpin while running third just after half way through the race. Button will mechanical DNF as well.
| artkevin | 07-12-2006 12:02 PM |
I think Frank Montangy might headbutt Trulli or Fisi after an off color comment.
| NYEJ25 | 07-12-2006 12:28 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I think Frank Montangy might headbutt Trulli or Fisi after an off color comment.[/QUOTE]
ROFL, thats great! :banana:
ROFL, thats great! :banana:
| Dr. WOT | 07-12-2006 12:30 PM |
1. Alonso
2. Alonso
3. Alonso
4. Fernando
5. Alonso
6. The Spaniard in the Renault
7. Alonso
8. Fernando Alonso
9. ????
10. Alonso
2. Alonso
3. Alonso
4. Fernando
5. Alonso
6. The Spaniard in the Renault
7. Alonso
8. Fernando Alonso
9. ????
10. Alonso
| tdm74 | 07-12-2006 01:36 PM |
I think Michelin went conservative for the USGP, so I have the feeling the Renaults will be more competitive
1) F.Alonso
2) M.Schumacher
3) G.Fisichella
4) K.Raikkonen
5) P.de la Rosa
6) J.Button
7) F.Massa
8) N.Heidfeld
1) F.Alonso
2) M.Schumacher
3) G.Fisichella
4) K.Raikkonen
5) P.de la Rosa
6) J.Button
7) F.Massa
8) N.Heidfeld
| ptclaus98 | 07-12-2006 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=kfoote]I predict that the entire crowd, and all the French drivers will flee on the last lap of the race, when, unbeknownst to anyone, F1 decides to adopt the use of the waving white flag at start finish to indicate the last lap of the race.
Results:
1. Alonso
2. M. Schumacher
3. Fisi
4. Massa
5. de la Rosa
6. R. Schumacher
7. Barichello
8. Rosberg
Kimi will break something in the drivetrain coming out of the Adelaide hairpin while running third just after half way through the race. Button will mechanical DNF as well.[/QUOTE]
WTF is up with everyone jinxing Kimi? I mean, we all know he's gonna break down sometime, but don't say it, it's implied(sp?). :mad:
1.Fisi
2.Alonso
3.Schumi
4.Kimi
5.Webbo
6.Woobens
7.Trulli
8.Massa
Results:
1. Alonso
2. M. Schumacher
3. Fisi
4. Massa
5. de la Rosa
6. R. Schumacher
7. Barichello
8. Rosberg
Kimi will break something in the drivetrain coming out of the Adelaide hairpin while running third just after half way through the race. Button will mechanical DNF as well.[/QUOTE]
WTF is up with everyone jinxing Kimi? I mean, we all know he's gonna break down sometime, but don't say it, it's implied(sp?). :mad:
1.Fisi
2.Alonso
3.Schumi
4.Kimi
5.Webbo
6.Woobens
7.Trulli
8.Massa
| kfoote | 07-12-2006 05:59 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]WTF is up with everyone jinxing Kimi? I mean, we all know he's gonna break down sometime, but don't say it, it's implied(sp?). :mad:
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Kimi, and McLaren, have enough of a bad mechanical history on point and squirt tracks over the last few years, such as Magny Cours, Monaco, Hockenheim, and San Marino. From my memory (which could be totally off base), it's always been coming out of slow corners where the problems have surfaced. Given that Mangy Cours is a relatively short track, with 4 such corners, I don't like Kimi's chances.
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Kimi, and McLaren, have enough of a bad mechanical history on point and squirt tracks over the last few years, such as Magny Cours, Monaco, Hockenheim, and San Marino. From my memory (which could be totally off base), it's always been coming out of slow corners where the problems have surfaced. Given that Mangy Cours is a relatively short track, with 4 such corners, I don't like Kimi's chances.
| ptclaus98 | 07-12-2006 06:23 PM |
[QUOTE=kfoote]Kimi, and McLaren, have enough of a bad mechanical history on point and squirt tracks over the last few years, such as Magny Cours, Monaco, Hockenheim, and San Marino. From my memory (which could be totally off base), it's always been coming out of slow corners where the problems have surfaced. Given that Mangy Cours is a relatively short track, with 4 such corners, I don't like Kimi's chances.[/QUOTE]
Oh.
Well, you don't have to say it, it is [I]implied[/I]
Oh.
Well, you don't have to say it, it is [I]implied[/I]
| StuBeck | 07-12-2006 08:18 PM |
I think its good Montangy (even if I don't care enough to spell his name correctly) is getting to drive in his home race. I think Renault will win with Kimi getting second (the whole team now behind him) and Schumi hopefully crashing out.
| MattDell | 07-12-2006 08:28 PM |
[QUOTE=Dr. WOT]1. Alonso
2. Alonso
3. Alonso
4. Fernando
5. Alonso
6. The Spaniard in the Renault
7. Alonso
8. Fernando Alonso
9. ????
10. Alonso[/QUOTE]
You win! :lol:
2. Alonso
3. Alonso
4. Fernando
5. Alonso
6. The Spaniard in the Renault
7. Alonso
8. Fernando Alonso
9. ????
10. Alonso[/QUOTE]
You win! :lol:
| ArtGecko | 07-13-2006 12:43 AM |
F.Alonso
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
F.Massa
G.Fisichella
J.Villeneuve
J.Button
N.Heidfeld
Steve (mid pack - no Krisy Kremes this year...)
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen
F.Massa
G.Fisichella
J.Villeneuve
J.Button
N.Heidfeld
Steve (mid pack - no Krisy Kremes this year...)
| OnTheGas | 07-13-2006 10:42 AM |
There's a place in France...
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[list=1][*][b]Fernando[/b] - Michelin will be better here, and french car, french tires, french race...[*][b]Michael[/b] - Michael and Ferrari are the equal of Alonso and Renault, if not superior... this is only a tire war and B'stone is losing[*][b]Giancarlo[/b] - Good car on good tires... race day performance always an unknown[*][b]Kimi[/b] - McLaren will begin focusing on 2007, but Kimi will drive the crap outta this silver thing[*][b]Felipe[/b] - It would be good for Ferrari if Felipe steps it up on race day[*][b]Nick[/b] - BMW Sauber have been impressive recently[*][b]Jenson[/b] - Honda is supposedly showing up with faster bits[*][b]Jarno[/b] - Toyota may step it up... Jarno qualifies well here[/list]
So I think that the last four races have shown that Ferrari and Michael are the equal of Fernando and Renault, and the difference in performance comes down to the tires... The drivers and constructors championships are essentially a [b]B'stone vs. Michelin tire war[/b]... While B'stone has stepped up their performance from last season, they are still need to step it up more to better Michelin. I predict B'stones will suffer from graining on Friday, if it is dry.
But the good news is that there is [b]rain[/b] predicted [b]all three days[/b] at Magny-Cours... Passing is difficult in the dry at this track, but a wet race would be delightful race long dog fight!
:banana:
So I think that the last four races have shown that Ferrari and Michael are the equal of Fernando and Renault, and the difference in performance comes down to the tires... The drivers and constructors championships are essentially a [b]B'stone vs. Michelin tire war[/b]... While B'stone has stepped up their performance from last season, they are still need to step it up more to better Michelin. I predict B'stones will suffer from graining on Friday, if it is dry.
But the good news is that there is [b]rain[/b] predicted [b]all three days[/b] at Magny-Cours... Passing is difficult in the dry at this track, but a wet race would be delightful race long dog fight!
:banana:
| Bonzo | 07-13-2006 11:32 AM |
As for driving thsi si a fun course. As for racing not to sure about that.
Plus the French are going to be pissy because one of there own just lost the Yellow Jersey (TdF) to another American. :banana:
Plus the French are going to be pissy because one of there own just lost the Yellow Jersey (TdF) to another American. :banana:
| MattDell | 07-13-2006 02:32 PM |
I'm going for the Renault 1-2, Ferrari 3-4, Honda 7-8
[list=1][*]F.Alonso[*]G.Fisichella[*]M.Schumacher[*]F.Massa[*]K.Raikkonen[*]J.Trulli[*]R.Barrichello[*]J.Button[/list]
-Matt
[list=1][*]F.Alonso[*]G.Fisichella[*]M.Schumacher[*]F.Massa[*]K.Raikkonen[*]J.Trulli[*]R.Barrichello[*]J.Button[/list]
-Matt
| rupertberr | 07-13-2006 03:07 PM |
Le Grand Prix de Tour
1. Menchov - Best mountain team Rabobank?!
2. Landis - Engine is there but team isn't
3. Kloden - Close but no cigar
4. Evans - We're not in OZ anymore
5. Rogers - 2nd best OZzy
6. Sastra - Will close in the Alps and then fail on the TT just outside of Paris
7. Leipheimer - If he hadn't choked in the TT
8. Boogard - Where did he learn to climb?
Schumacher disqualified for using motorbike and then blocking track when he runs out gas.
McEwan Points
Rasmussen KOM
1. Menchov - Best mountain team Rabobank?!
2. Landis - Engine is there but team isn't
3. Kloden - Close but no cigar
4. Evans - We're not in OZ anymore
5. Rogers - 2nd best OZzy
6. Sastra - Will close in the Alps and then fail on the TT just outside of Paris
7. Leipheimer - If he hadn't choked in the TT
8. Boogard - Where did he learn to climb?
Schumacher disqualified for using motorbike and then blocking track when he runs out gas.
McEwan Points
Rasmussen KOM
| meebs | 07-13-2006 06:47 PM |
Hmm, I was hoping for rain, but it looks like it will be nice. [url]http://fr.weather.com/weather/local/FRXX0164?x=0&y=0[/url]
| OnTheGas | 07-14-2006 10:40 AM |
Bridgestones are competitive!
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Many racers didn't run the 1st practice, so only 2nd practice times are significant, and are presented below...
The ambient temps were ~97 degrees, under clear skies w/light breeze. Track temps were ~127.
Note the tires, (B) & (M), below... The mix of B'Stone competitors near the top is very similar to the Indy 2nd Friday practice times. Which means that it is very likely that the Bridgestones are competitive this weekend. And we are likely to see a Ferrari team who are very focused on a race win this weekend. However, w/the Renault's working well, it should be a good dog fight for the win.
:banana:
The open question is the durability of the tires. However, w/the short pit lane, a 3 stop pit strategy is in play.
Here are the Friday 2nd practice times:
[CODE]Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:16.902 33
2. Alonso Renault (M) 1:17.498 + 0.596 14
3. Davidson Honda (M) 1:17.750 + 0.848 37
4. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:17.859 + 0.957 29
5. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:17.916 + 1.014 13
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:17.938 + 1.036 16
7. Sutil MF1-Toyota (B) 1:18.049 + 1.147 31
8. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.175 + 1.273 28
9. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:18.274 + 1.372 21
10. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:18.639 + 1.737 32
11. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:18.721 + 1.819 23
12. Button Honda (M) 1:19.005 + 2.103 18
13. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:19.013 + 2.111 20
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:19.108 + 2.206 15
15. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:19.140 + 2.238 9
16. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.183 + 2.281 21
17. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:19.259 + 2.357 5
18. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:19.413 + 2.511 10
19. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:19.589 + 2.687 14
20. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:19.692 + 2.790 19
21. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.701 + 2.799 19
22. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:19.809 + 2.907 14
23. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:19.996 + 3.094 22
24. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:20.003 + 3.101 12
25. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:20.135 + 3.233 12
26. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:20.154 + 3.252 11
27. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:20.409 + 3.507 14
28. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.132 + 4.230 14
29. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.969 + 5.067 32[/CODE]
The ambient temps were ~97 degrees, under clear skies w/light breeze. Track temps were ~127.
Note the tires, (B) & (M), below... The mix of B'Stone competitors near the top is very similar to the Indy 2nd Friday practice times. Which means that it is very likely that the Bridgestones are competitive this weekend. And we are likely to see a Ferrari team who are very focused on a race win this weekend. However, w/the Renault's working well, it should be a good dog fight for the win.
:banana:
The open question is the durability of the tires. However, w/the short pit lane, a 3 stop pit strategy is in play.
Here are the Friday 2nd practice times:
[CODE]Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:16.902 33
2. Alonso Renault (M) 1:17.498 + 0.596 14
3. Davidson Honda (M) 1:17.750 + 0.848 37
4. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:17.859 + 0.957 29
5. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:17.916 + 1.014 13
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:17.938 + 1.036 16
7. Sutil MF1-Toyota (B) 1:18.049 + 1.147 31
8. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.175 + 1.273 28
9. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:18.274 + 1.372 21
10. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:18.639 + 1.737 32
11. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:18.721 + 1.819 23
12. Button Honda (M) 1:19.005 + 2.103 18
13. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:19.013 + 2.111 20
14. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:19.108 + 2.206 15
15. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:19.140 + 2.238 9
16. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.183 + 2.281 21
17. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:19.259 + 2.357 5
18. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:19.413 + 2.511 10
19. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:19.589 + 2.687 14
20. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:19.692 + 2.790 19
21. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.701 + 2.799 19
22. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:19.809 + 2.907 14
23. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:19.996 + 3.094 22
24. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:20.003 + 3.101 12
25. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:20.135 + 3.233 12
26. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:20.154 + 3.252 11
27. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:20.409 + 3.507 14
28. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.132 + 4.230 14
29. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:21.969 + 5.067 32[/CODE]
| Bonzo | 07-14-2006 11:20 AM |
[QUOTE=rupertberr]Le Grand Prix de Tour
1. Menchov - Best mountain team Rabobank?!
2. Landis - Engine is there but team isn't
3. Kloden - Close but no cigar
4. Evans - We're not in OZ anymore
5. Rogers - 2nd best OZzy
6. Sastra - Will close in the Alps and then fail on the TT just outside of Paris
7. Leipheimer - If he hadn't choked in the TT
8. Boogard - Where did he learn to climb?
Schumacher disqualified for using motorbike and then blocking track when he runs out gas.
McEwan Points
Rasmussen KOM[/QUOTE]
:lol: :twothumbsup:
fwiw OT (*gasp*) has a big TdF thread.
1. Menchov - Best mountain team Rabobank?!
2. Landis - Engine is there but team isn't
3. Kloden - Close but no cigar
4. Evans - We're not in OZ anymore
5. Rogers - 2nd best OZzy
6. Sastra - Will close in the Alps and then fail on the TT just outside of Paris
7. Leipheimer - If he hadn't choked in the TT
8. Boogard - Where did he learn to climb?
Schumacher disqualified for using motorbike and then blocking track when he runs out gas.
McEwan Points
Rasmussen KOM[/QUOTE]
:lol: :twothumbsup:
fwiw OT (*gasp*) has a big TdF thread.
| artkevin | 07-14-2006 12:36 PM |
Think Trulli is happy about the World Cup results?
[IMG]http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/photos/2006/gpmagny-cours/diapo_009.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/photos/2006/gpmagny-cours/diapo_009.jpg[/IMG]
| MattDell | 07-14-2006 01:05 PM |
I like his man-purse.
| Wr4wrX | 07-14-2006 03:47 PM |
[QUOTE]
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:16.902 33
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Looking at the practice times, seems as though those antennae-thingies on the BMW might be alright (albeit utterly hideous).
[IMG]http://www.planet-f1.com/Images/67127.jpg[/IMG]
When did the BMW F1.06 sprout McLaren horns? I didn't notice them until this weekend.
[IMG]http://www.planet-f1.com/Images/67128.jpg[/IMG]
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:16.902 33
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Looking at the practice times, seems as though those antennae-thingies on the BMW might be alright (albeit utterly hideous).
[IMG]http://www.planet-f1.com/Images/67127.jpg[/IMG]
When did the BMW F1.06 sprout McLaren horns? I didn't notice them until this weekend.
[IMG]http://www.planet-f1.com/Images/67128.jpg[/IMG]
| pio!pio! | 07-14-2006 03:49 PM |
they didn't sprout those horns until this weekend, which is why you haven't noticed :)
they work in conjunction w/ those antenna wings
they work in conjunction w/ those antenna wings
| StuBeck | 07-14-2006 04:25 PM |
Their rear wing is new too.
Its amazing watching the cars go through the chicanes and them just bouncing around. I don't think Bridgestone will be as good as they were last weekend, the tyres on Micheals car were looking really bad after a few laps.
Its amazing watching the cars go through the chicanes and them just bouncing around. I don't think Bridgestone will be as good as they were last weekend, the tyres on Micheals car were looking really bad after a few laps.
| KAX | 07-14-2006 07:39 PM |
bmw were complaining of tire problems though too. hopefully its just the track and not a michelin problem again.
i wonder how long itll take for some other team to give the antennae wings a chance.
i wonder how long itll take for some other team to give the antennae wings a chance.
| XenoWolf | 07-14-2006 08:55 PM |
I don't mind the new vertical spoilers, but I bet the drivers do. That has to be right in thier line of sight...
| artkevin | 07-14-2006 09:33 PM |
OMG, when I 1st saw the vertical slacks on the BMW I thought it was new and inventive and not too bad. After seeing it run today I have made up my mind that they are God awful. I mean, damn.
| REX8 | 07-14-2006 10:15 PM |
Is anyone else impressed with that Polish guy out there? Week inn, week out, he's at the top. And idea on if he'll ever get race ride?
| MattDell | 07-14-2006 10:39 PM |
Was practice show today? Because my TiVo didn't catch anything....
| OnTheGas | 07-14-2006 10:54 PM |
The Beemers' wings...
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Last week, Jacques and Kubica were testing BMW's new nose wings (upside down nose hairs?) at Jerez. Nick Heidfeld was given the week off to rest his neck after his violent roll at Indy.
So earlier today was the first time that Nick was able to run the car like this, and he said,[quote]It is the first time I have driven the car with the new nose wings, and I agree with my team-mates that they do not interfere with my line of vision.[/quote]
So besides the bird deflectors, and the new viking horns (a la McLaren), the other thing that would be different about the beemer this weekend would be the rear wings. On Friday at Canada, a photog was able to show that the rear wing was flexing at speed. However, the FIA, (Charlie Whiting) checked out the Beemer's rear wing, and found them to be legal. Later, the FIA told BMW to stiffen up the rear wings for France.
But having a stiff rear wing didn't hurt, since last week at Jerez the BMW's were setting very good times, and obviously Kubica did well here today as well.
So earlier today was the first time that Nick was able to run the car like this, and he said,[quote]It is the first time I have driven the car with the new nose wings, and I agree with my team-mates that they do not interfere with my line of vision.[/quote]
So besides the bird deflectors, and the new viking horns (a la McLaren), the other thing that would be different about the beemer this weekend would be the rear wings. On Friday at Canada, a photog was able to show that the rear wing was flexing at speed. However, the FIA, (Charlie Whiting) checked out the Beemer's rear wing, and found them to be legal. Later, the FIA told BMW to stiffen up the rear wings for France.
But having a stiff rear wing didn't hurt, since last week at Jerez the BMW's were setting very good times, and obviously Kubica did well here today as well.
| OnTheGas | 07-14-2006 11:23 PM |
Friday's Chewed Up Tires
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Many drivers enjoy Magny Cours, but a small problem with the track is that it is fairly green on F1 Fridays because the track is not heavily used.
However, the teams are apparently calculating that the track will rubber in fairly well by Sunday. As it rubbers in, the grip levels will climb. The tire companies are bringing tires from the medium to soft compound ranges that will work well on Sunday with a different track than what was seen today.
So I believe that is why teams and tire companies were saying that tire graining was an issue today. Someone more knowledgeable than I should correct me if I'm wrong, but tire graining is when a race tire is not quite getting up to its optimal heat range, and is sliding around and chewing itself up. On the other end would be a tire which is over it's optimal heat range and then blisters (which is what Montoya will likely to do to his stock car tires ;) sorry! that's another thread!).
The other thing about tires at Magny Cours is the difference between the performance over one lap vs. the performance over a long run. Over a long run, one would want their tires to be steady in performance, & not degrade. Bridgestone and Ferrari indicated that they are good this weekend in that regard.
But one lap performance is also very important at Magny Cours because it is so damned difficult to pass here (unless it rains). So on Saturday, during qualifying, if your tire can provide very high grip levels as it comes to temp during a qualifying flyer lap, you've got a leg up on your competition. Ferrari sounded a little worried about this issue in their [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225063]Friday practice notes[/URL].
Saturday should be interesting...
[COLOR=Silver][SIZE=1]Now it's time for a cocktail![/SIZE][/COLOR] :)
However, the teams are apparently calculating that the track will rubber in fairly well by Sunday. As it rubbers in, the grip levels will climb. The tire companies are bringing tires from the medium to soft compound ranges that will work well on Sunday with a different track than what was seen today.
So I believe that is why teams and tire companies were saying that tire graining was an issue today. Someone more knowledgeable than I should correct me if I'm wrong, but tire graining is when a race tire is not quite getting up to its optimal heat range, and is sliding around and chewing itself up. On the other end would be a tire which is over it's optimal heat range and then blisters (which is what Montoya will likely to do to his stock car tires ;) sorry! that's another thread!).
The other thing about tires at Magny Cours is the difference between the performance over one lap vs. the performance over a long run. Over a long run, one would want their tires to be steady in performance, & not degrade. Bridgestone and Ferrari indicated that they are good this weekend in that regard.
But one lap performance is also very important at Magny Cours because it is so damned difficult to pass here (unless it rains). So on Saturday, during qualifying, if your tire can provide very high grip levels as it comes to temp during a qualifying flyer lap, you've got a leg up on your competition. Ferrari sounded a little worried about this issue in their [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225063]Friday practice notes[/URL].
Saturday should be interesting...
[COLOR=Silver][SIZE=1]Now it's time for a cocktail![/SIZE][/COLOR] :)
| KAX | 07-15-2006 05:22 AM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]tire graining is when a race tire is not quite getting up to its optimal heat range, and is sliding around and chewing itself up. On the other end would be a tire which is over it's optimal heat range and then blisters (which is what Montoya will likely to do to his stock car tires ;) sorry! that's another thread!).
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that is correct. they explained it in montreal on speed.
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that is correct. they explained it in montreal on speed.
| Wr4wrX | 07-15-2006 05:45 AM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]they didn't sprout those horns until this weekend, which is why you haven't noticed :)
they work in conjunction w/ those antenna wings[/QUOTE]
Maybe McLaren will sprout some BMW antennae.
they work in conjunction w/ those antenna wings[/QUOTE]
Maybe McLaren will sprout some BMW antennae.
| OnTheGas | 07-15-2006 11:34 AM |
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a dog fight for the F1 championships!
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I had been guessing that Bridgestone had a competitive tire for the race on Sunday. But I was wondering whether or not they had a tire which will do well on a single flyer hot lap in qualifying today... Now we know![CODE]French GP qualifying breakdown Session 1 Session 2 Session 3
Pos Driver Team Tire Pos Time Laps Pos Time Laps Pos Time Laps
1 M.Schumacher Ferrari B 2 01:15.87 4 1 01:15.11 3 1 01:15.49 12
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari B 5 01:16.28 3 3 01:15.68 3 2 01:15.51 12
3 F. Alonso Renault M 6 01:16.33 3 4 01:15.71 3 3 01:15.79 12
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota B 1 01:15.55 6 6 01:15.78 3 4 01:16.04 12
5 R.Schumacher Toyota B 3 01:15.95 6 2 01:15.63 3 5 01:16.09 12
6 Raikkonen McLaren M 4 01:16.15 6 5 01:15.74 3 6 01:16.28 11
7 Fisichella Renault M 12 01:16.83 3 7 01:15.90 3 7 01:16.35 12
8 de la Rosa McLaren M 10 01:16.68 5 8 01:15.90 6 8 01:16.63 12
9 Nico Rosberg William B 9 01:16.53 6 9 01:15.93 6 9 01:18.27 12
10 Coulthard Red Bul M 7 01:16.35 6 10 01:15.97 6 10 01:18.66 12
11 Mark Webber William B 8 01:16.53 6 11 01:16.13 6
12 Heidfeld BMW M 11 01:16.69 7 12 01:16.29 6
13 C. Klien Red Bul M 13 01:16.92 6 13 01:16.43 6
14 Barrichello Honda M 15 01:17.02 6 14 01:17.03 6
15 Scott Speed Toro R M 16 01:17.12 9 15 01:17.06 8
16 Chris. Albers Midland B 14 01:16.96 8 16 01:17.11 3
17 V. Liuzzi Toro R M 17 01:17.16 8
18 Villeneuve BMW M 18 01:17.30 3
19 J. Button Honda M 19 01:17.50 7
20 Monteiro Midland B 20 01:17.59 7
21 Montagny Super A B 21 01:18.64 6
22 Takuma Sato Super A B 22 01:18.85 6
[/CODE]Pardon the wide, horizontal scrolling table, but I think there are a number significant things here in this time sheet...
Pos Driver Team Tire Pos Time Laps Pos Time Laps Pos Time Laps
1 M.Schumacher Ferrari B 2 01:15.87 4 1 01:15.11 3 1 01:15.49 12
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari B 5 01:16.28 3 3 01:15.68 3 2 01:15.51 12
3 F. Alonso Renault M 6 01:16.33 3 4 01:15.71 3 3 01:15.79 12
4 Jarno Trulli Toyota B 1 01:15.55 6 6 01:15.78 3 4 01:16.04 12
5 R.Schumacher Toyota B 3 01:15.95 6 2 01:15.63 3 5 01:16.09 12
6 Raikkonen McLaren M 4 01:16.15 6 5 01:15.74 3 6 01:16.28 11
7 Fisichella Renault M 12 01:16.83 3 7 01:15.90 3 7 01:16.35 12
8 de la Rosa McLaren M 10 01:16.68 5 8 01:15.90 6 8 01:16.63 12
9 Nico Rosberg William B 9 01:16.53 6 9 01:15.93 6 9 01:18.27 12
10 Coulthard Red Bul M 7 01:16.35 6 10 01:15.97 6 10 01:18.66 12
11 Mark Webber William B 8 01:16.53 6 11 01:16.13 6
12 Heidfeld BMW M 11 01:16.69 7 12 01:16.29 6
13 C. Klien Red Bul M 13 01:16.92 6 13 01:16.43 6
14 Barrichello Honda M 15 01:17.02 6 14 01:17.03 6
15 Scott Speed Toro R M 16 01:17.12 9 15 01:17.06 8
16 Chris. Albers Midland B 14 01:16.96 8 16 01:17.11 3
17 V. Liuzzi Toro R M 17 01:17.16 8
18 Villeneuve BMW M 18 01:17.30 3
19 J. Button Honda M 19 01:17.50 7
20 Monteiro Midland B 20 01:17.59 7
21 Montagny Super A B 21 01:18.64 6
22 Takuma Sato Super A B 22 01:18.85 6
[/CODE]Pardon the wide, horizontal scrolling table, but I think there are a number significant things here in this time sheet...
| OnTheGas | 07-15-2006 12:14 PM |
Starting Grid
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Nico Rosberg's Cosworth was over-revved at Indy, so Williams changed it out prior to qualifying. Nico's aggressive qualifying earned him a 9th position, but a 10 position starting grid penalty puts him at the back.
Here is the starting grid:[CODE]Pos Driver Tire Team Qual time Notes
1 M.Schumacher B Ferrari 01:15.49
2 Felipe Massa B Ferrari 01:15.51
3 F. Alonso M Renault 01:15.79
4 Jarno Trulli B Toyota 01:16.04
5 R.Schumacher B Toyota 01:16.09
6 Raikkonen M McLaren 01:16.28
7 Fisichella M Renault 01:16.35
8 de la Rosa M McLaren 01:16.63
9 Coulthard M Red Bul 01:18.66
10 Mark Webber B William 01:16.13
11 Heidfeld M BMW 01:16.29
12 C. Klien M Red Bul 01:16.43
13 Barrichello M Honda 01:17.03
14 Scott Speed M Toro R 01:17.06
15 Chris. Albers B Midland 01:17.11
16 V. Liuzzi M Toro R 01:17.16
17 Villeneuve M BMW 01:17.30
18 J. Button M Honda 01:17.50
19 Nico Rosberg B William 01:18.27 Penalty
20 Monteiro B Midland 01:17.59
21 Montagny B Super A 01:18.64
22 Takuma Sato B Super A 01:18.85
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Here is the starting grid:[CODE]Pos Driver Tire Team Qual time Notes
1 M.Schumacher B Ferrari 01:15.49
2 Felipe Massa B Ferrari 01:15.51
3 F. Alonso M Renault 01:15.79
4 Jarno Trulli B Toyota 01:16.04
5 R.Schumacher B Toyota 01:16.09
6 Raikkonen M McLaren 01:16.28
7 Fisichella M Renault 01:16.35
8 de la Rosa M McLaren 01:16.63
9 Coulthard M Red Bul 01:18.66
10 Mark Webber B William 01:16.13
11 Heidfeld M BMW 01:16.29
12 C. Klien M Red Bul 01:16.43
13 Barrichello M Honda 01:17.03
14 Scott Speed M Toro R 01:17.06
15 Chris. Albers B Midland 01:17.11
16 V. Liuzzi M Toro R 01:17.16
17 Villeneuve M BMW 01:17.30
18 J. Button M Honda 01:17.50
19 Nico Rosberg B William 01:18.27 Penalty
20 Monteiro B Midland 01:17.59
21 Montagny B Super A 01:18.64
22 Takuma Sato B Super A 01:18.85
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| f1vlad | 07-15-2006 11:07 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Is anyone else impressed with that Polish guy out there? Week inn, week out, he's at the top. And idea on if he'll ever get race ride?[/QUOTE]
I really hope so! I am a little bit polish, too :) that is why.
I really hope so! I am a little bit polish, too :) that is why.
| fogdor | 07-16-2006 01:15 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]I like his man-purse.[/QUOTE]
It may be a fruity Italian jobby, but that looks like a briefcase to me...
It may be a fruity Italian jobby, but that looks like a briefcase to me...
| NYEJ25 | 07-16-2006 01:24 AM |
Thats Right!!! My boy qualified 4th!!!!!!! :banana: :disco: :banana: :disco:
| Tokudai | 07-16-2006 03:22 AM |
[QUOTE=fogdor]It may be a fruity Italian jobby, but that looks like a briefcase to me...[/QUOTE]
And considering it might have one of those steering wheels in there makes it BADASS lol
And considering it might have one of those steering wheels in there makes it BADASS lol
| KAX | 07-16-2006 09:18 AM |
ah man. kimi coulda had 2nd place. his tires obviously werent doing too badly, running 17.9s over and over.
| ptclaus98 | 07-16-2006 09:22 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX]ah man. kimi coulda had 2nd place. his tires obviously werent doing too badly, running 17.9s over and over.[/QUOTE]
Macca is just having a bad year. Assuming that was part of the pit strategy, they have dropped the ball twice in three races. I can't wait for Kimi to compete for the DC next year, in a better car, with a better team.
Macca is just having a bad year. Assuming that was part of the pit strategy, they have dropped the ball twice in three races. I can't wait for Kimi to compete for the DC next year, in a better car, with a better team.
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 10:10 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX]ah man. kimi coulda had 2nd place. his tires obviously werent doing too badly, running 17.9s over and over.[/QUOTE]
Second would have been tough. 3rd was more likely...
And thats' not even including the fact that he would have run heavier, slowing him down somewhat.
Second would have been tough. 3rd was more likely...
And thats' not even including the fact that he would have run heavier, slowing him down somewhat.
| ptclaus98 | 07-16-2006 11:00 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Second would have been tough. 3rd was more likely...
And thats' not even including the fact that he would have run heavier, slowing him down somewhat.[/QUOTE]
Kimi was 2 secs down and gaining fast.
And thats' not even including the fact that he would have run heavier, slowing him down somewhat.[/QUOTE]
Kimi was 2 secs down and gaining fast.
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]Kimi was 2 secs down and gaining fast.[/QUOTE]
In part, because he was on a lighter fuel load....a fuel load that couldn't get him to the finish.
There was about he finished what, 33 bacK? And 2nd was about 11 back? Thats a 22 second difference...which is longer than the pit stop...
He would have been a couple seconds back, fighting for the spot...
In part, because he was on a lighter fuel load....a fuel load that couldn't get him to the finish.
There was about he finished what, 33 bacK? And 2nd was about 11 back? Thats a 22 second difference...which is longer than the pit stop...
He would have been a couple seconds back, fighting for the spot...
| ptclaus98 | 07-16-2006 03:12 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]In part, because he was on a lighter fuel load....a fuel load that couldn't get him to the finish.
There was about he finished what, 33 bacK? And 2nd was about 11 back? Thats a 22 second difference...which is longer than the pit stop...
He would have been a couple seconds back, fighting for the spot...[/QUOTE]
:confused:
He didn't get gas on the last pit. He had the gas to finish.
EDIT: You were right.
There was about he finished what, 33 bacK? And 2nd was about 11 back? Thats a 22 second difference...which is longer than the pit stop...
He would have been a couple seconds back, fighting for the spot...[/QUOTE]
:confused:
He didn't get gas on the last pit. He had the gas to finish.
EDIT: You were right.
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 03:21 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]:confused:
He didn't get gas on the last pit. He had the gas to finish.
EDIT: You were right.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I was just goign to say you were right...because I was half asleep during the race and thought I had mis-heard/saw what was going on.
He definately would've been in the fight for 2nd...
He didn't get gas on the last pit. He had the gas to finish.
EDIT: You were right.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I was just goign to say you were right...because I was half asleep during the race and thought I had mis-heard/saw what was going on.
He definately would've been in the fight for 2nd...
| OnTheGas | 07-16-2006 03:25 PM |
Wow! Hello Toyota!
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Toyota had a very real chance to have been on the podium today... Ralf's race pace was very strong, and Jarno's was almost as fast.
Jarno broke, but he had been in position to fight for the podium.
Ralf suffered a long 1st pit-stop due to a stuck wheel nut... but was still had the pace to pass both Fisichella's Renault, and Kimi's McLaren for 4th place.
Talk about adding salt to Honda's wounds... Honda was lost this weekend, and they broke both motors in the race! Rough times indeed for our friends at Honda!
One of the more interesting races this season is to see which team will finish 4th in the constructor's championship. Here are the five "2nd tier" teams in contention for the 4th spot and their current championship positions:[list][*][b]4th Honda[/b] 32 points - They are here because the kicked a$$ early in the season, averaging more than 4 points per race for the first 7 races of the season.[*][b]5th Toyota[/b] 21 points - After Silverstone, Toyo had only 8 points, and were in 7th place![*][b]6th BMW Sauber[/b] 20 points - For the last 7 races they have been averaging ~1.5 points per race by getting one or two cars in the points, as did Nick today w/1 point for 8th[*][b]7th Red Bull[/b] 11 points - Coulthard grabbed most of these points w/his podium finish at Monaco[*][b]8th Williams Cosworth[/b] 10 points - The last time Williams scored any points was Nurburgring, which was May 7th... They have lost their way.[/list]
Jarno broke, but he had been in position to fight for the podium.
Ralf suffered a long 1st pit-stop due to a stuck wheel nut... but was still had the pace to pass both Fisichella's Renault, and Kimi's McLaren for 4th place.
Talk about adding salt to Honda's wounds... Honda was lost this weekend, and they broke both motors in the race! Rough times indeed for our friends at Honda!
One of the more interesting races this season is to see which team will finish 4th in the constructor's championship. Here are the five "2nd tier" teams in contention for the 4th spot and their current championship positions:[list][*][b]4th Honda[/b] 32 points - They are here because the kicked a$$ early in the season, averaging more than 4 points per race for the first 7 races of the season.[*][b]5th Toyota[/b] 21 points - After Silverstone, Toyo had only 8 points, and were in 7th place![*][b]6th BMW Sauber[/b] 20 points - For the last 7 races they have been averaging ~1.5 points per race by getting one or two cars in the points, as did Nick today w/1 point for 8th[*][b]7th Red Bull[/b] 11 points - Coulthard grabbed most of these points w/his podium finish at Monaco[*][b]8th Williams Cosworth[/b] 10 points - The last time Williams scored any points was Nurburgring, which was May 7th... They have lost their way.[/list]
| finnRex | 07-16-2006 04:13 PM |
Did Kimi flat-spot his tires 2 times this race? Is that why he had that 3rd pit stop?
Mika
Mika
| KAX | 07-16-2006 04:26 PM |
no, he needed 6 more laps of fuel to make it to the finish. his tires were fine.
he could have had 2nd place, but i doubt he would have fought for it. he would have been behind alonso for alittle while and not been able to pass, then give up, much like he ended up doing but in 5th place rather then 3rd. he was 22 seconds back because he stopped trying, not because he was slower.
he could have had 2nd place, but i doubt he would have fought for it. he would have been behind alonso for alittle while and not been able to pass, then give up, much like he ended up doing but in 5th place rather then 3rd. he was 22 seconds back because he stopped trying, not because he was slower.
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 04:50 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]no, he needed 6 more laps of fuel to make it to the finish. his tires were fine.
he could have had 2nd place, but i doubt he would have fought for it. he would have been behind alonso for alittle while and not been able to pass, then give up, much like he ended up doing but in 5th place rather then 3rd. he was 22 seconds back because he stopped trying, not because he was slower.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're making the HUGE assumption that on HEAVIER fuel, he wouldn't been able to catch and pass the current champion. Who's to say Alonso wouldn't have picked up the pace???
Again, Kimi was lighter on fuel, to say that with a heavier car, coupled with the fact you have no idea how Alonso would have reacted, and the HUGE GIGANTIC IF Kimi would have been able to pass him, which is not easy...ask Schuey...
Its takes a heck of a fanboy to say Kimi wouldn't had second if he tried...
Kimi being faster (which you don't even know...He was running LIGHTER!)...and Kimi passing FA are two entirely different things...
he could have had 2nd place, but i doubt he would have fought for it. he would have been behind alonso for alittle while and not been able to pass, then give up, much like he ended up doing but in 5th place rather then 3rd. he was 22 seconds back because he stopped trying, not because he was slower.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're making the HUGE assumption that on HEAVIER fuel, he wouldn't been able to catch and pass the current champion. Who's to say Alonso wouldn't have picked up the pace???
Again, Kimi was lighter on fuel, to say that with a heavier car, coupled with the fact you have no idea how Alonso would have reacted, and the HUGE GIGANTIC IF Kimi would have been able to pass him, which is not easy...ask Schuey...
Its takes a heck of a fanboy to say Kimi wouldn't had second if he tried...
Kimi being faster (which you don't even know...He was running LIGHTER!)...and Kimi passing FA are two entirely different things...
| KAX | 07-16-2006 04:53 PM |
i just said he probably wouldnt have passed him. he could have if he really tried, but i know he wouldnt have because hed gain very little and it wouldnt be worth it to him. he would have caught up to about 1 sec behind and then follow him to the finish, much like he did with ralf.
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