| speedyHAM | 10-20-2006 09:01 AM |
I think the homologation would be fine, if it was only for one year. Three years is rediculous. Each team shows up at the start of a year with their new engine design and that's what they have to run for the year.
The rev limiting I am against, as I am against the FIA ECU that will be standardized. F1 is about the top of vehicle technology. If they want to limit the speed of the cars then limit the engine size. That's all you need to do. 1 liter turbo v6's would be pretty awesome. If they feel the need to slow them down in corners then limit the tire width.
I'd like to see Kimi win this one, but I don't think it's going to happen. I see Michael winning with Alonso not finishing the race due to mechanical problems.
The rev limiting I am against, as I am against the FIA ECU that will be standardized. F1 is about the top of vehicle technology. If they want to limit the speed of the cars then limit the engine size. That's all you need to do. 1 liter turbo v6's would be pretty awesome. If they feel the need to slow them down in corners then limit the tire width.
I'd like to see Kimi win this one, but I don't think it's going to happen. I see Michael winning with Alonso not finishing the race due to mechanical problems.
| bastich | 10-20-2006 09:25 AM |
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The rev limiting I am against, as I am against the FIA ECU that will be standardized. F1 is about the top of vehicle technology. If they want to limit the speed of the cars then limit the engine size. That's all you need to do. 1 liter turbo v6's would be pretty awesome. If they feel the need to slow them down in corners then limit the tire width.
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Don't expect to see turbos in F1 again unless they limit the size of the turbo as well. Forced induction in F1 is going to equate to over 1000hp per liter. Expect to see things stay NA.
The rev limiting I am against, as I am against the FIA ECU that will be standardized. F1 is about the top of vehicle technology. If they want to limit the speed of the cars then limit the engine size. That's all you need to do. 1 liter turbo v6's would be pretty awesome. If they feel the need to slow them down in corners then limit the tire width.
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Don't expect to see turbos in F1 again unless they limit the size of the turbo as well. Forced induction in F1 is going to equate to over 1000hp per liter. Expect to see things stay NA.
| TimStevens | 10-20-2006 09:32 AM |
.8 liter turbo'd motors would be pretty fuel efficient, I'd think :)
| Ferg | 10-20-2006 10:01 AM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15681443]It gives me great joy to see Imola mercifully pulled from the F1 calendar! The Tamburello chicanes are just horrible... and the Villeneuve chicane going down into Tosa are even worse![/QUOTE]
I agree 100% about the Villenueve chicane, but with Tamburello the circuit owners had no other choice. The needed to slow that corner and because of the location of the river there was no room to add runoff.
Oh the the Renaults aren't so much "detuned". Fisi is getting a new spec engine while Fernando is sticking with the tried and true spec.
I agree 100% about the Villenueve chicane, but with Tamburello the circuit owners had no other choice. The needed to slow that corner and because of the location of the river there was no room to add runoff.
Oh the the Renaults aren't so much "detuned". Fisi is getting a new spec engine while Fernando is sticking with the tried and true spec.
| Ferg | 10-20-2006 11:05 AM |
Raikonnen leads the way in first practice.
[QUOTE]Raikkonen quickest in practice 1 - Brazil
By Tim Collings Friday, October 20th 2006, 15:00 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen topped the times for McLaren-Mercedes in Friday morning's opening free practice for Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.
The Finn, in his final race for the team before he joins Ferrari, clocked a best time of 1:13.764 seconds to outpace nearest rival Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda.
Both Ferraris, driven by retirement-bound Michael Schumacher and his teammate Brazilian Felipe Massa, took no part in the session, nor did both Williams cars driven by Australian Mark Webber and German-born Nico Rosberg.
Defending world champion and current leader Fernando Alonso and his Renault teammate Italian Giancarlo Fisichella both did just one installation lap apiece.
Alonso leads the title race by 10 points and needs to score just one to clinch his second drivers' crown, while Schumacher can only win the title if he wins on Sunday and Alonso fails to score.
The session began in cool and overcast conditions, but without any of the heavy rain that had left much of Sao Paulo strewn with puddles for the previous 48 hours. The air temperature was 20 degrees Celsius and the track temperature was 27 degrees.
Crowds of fans and souvenir-salespeople created a hubbub outside the main entrance before the action began with the familiar men leading the way. Austrian Alexander Wurz, for Williams, was soon out on the track and soon, also, at the top of the laptimes.
Wurz, however, was overhauled after 20 minutes by Briton Davidson in his Honda, the test and reserve driver leading the way ahead of German teenager Sebastien Vettel who once again impressed quickly in his BMW Sauber.
After half an hour, it was Davidson, Vettel and Wurz at the top and there was no sign of any of the Ferrari or Renault drivers venturing out to join the fray.
There were few incidents at all before Alonso stirred increased interest when he went out on an installations lap with seven minutes of the hour remaining. His Renault teammate Fisichella also did one lap.
Ernesto Viso and Jarno Trulli both spun and continued as the pace increased in the final minutes, but there was no sign of activity in the Ferrari garage where Michael Schumacher, in his final Grand Prix, appeared to wait patiently, but without doing a lap.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.764 5
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:13.902 + 0.138 32
3. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:13.922 + 0.158 25
4. Vettel BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.204 + 0.440 29
5. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.237 + 0.473 5
6. Button Honda (M) 1:14.487 + 0.723 4
7. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:14.888 + 1.124 8
8. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.159 + 1.395 25
9. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:15.661 + 1.897 6
10. Ammermuller Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:15.711 + 1.947 22
11. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:16.168 + 2.404 6
12. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:16.534 + 2.770 16
13. Viso Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:16.737 + 2.973 32
14. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:17.047 + 3.283 14
15. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:17.311 + 3.547 8
16. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:17.388 + 3.624 14
17. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:17.744 + 3.980 6
18. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) No time 1
19. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) No time 1
20. Albers Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) No time 1
21. Monteiro Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) No time 1
22. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
23. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
24. Fisichella Renault (M) No time 1
25. Alonso Renault (M) No time 1
26. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B)
27. Massa Ferrari (B)
28. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B)
29. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B)
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Raikkonen quickest in practice 1 - Brazil
By Tim Collings Friday, October 20th 2006, 15:00 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen topped the times for McLaren-Mercedes in Friday morning's opening free practice for Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix.
The Finn, in his final race for the team before he joins Ferrari, clocked a best time of 1:13.764 seconds to outpace nearest rival Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda.
Both Ferraris, driven by retirement-bound Michael Schumacher and his teammate Brazilian Felipe Massa, took no part in the session, nor did both Williams cars driven by Australian Mark Webber and German-born Nico Rosberg.
Defending world champion and current leader Fernando Alonso and his Renault teammate Italian Giancarlo Fisichella both did just one installation lap apiece.
Alonso leads the title race by 10 points and needs to score just one to clinch his second drivers' crown, while Schumacher can only win the title if he wins on Sunday and Alonso fails to score.
The session began in cool and overcast conditions, but without any of the heavy rain that had left much of Sao Paulo strewn with puddles for the previous 48 hours. The air temperature was 20 degrees Celsius and the track temperature was 27 degrees.
Crowds of fans and souvenir-salespeople created a hubbub outside the main entrance before the action began with the familiar men leading the way. Austrian Alexander Wurz, for Williams, was soon out on the track and soon, also, at the top of the laptimes.
Wurz, however, was overhauled after 20 minutes by Briton Davidson in his Honda, the test and reserve driver leading the way ahead of German teenager Sebastien Vettel who once again impressed quickly in his BMW Sauber.
After half an hour, it was Davidson, Vettel and Wurz at the top and there was no sign of any of the Ferrari or Renault drivers venturing out to join the fray.
There were few incidents at all before Alonso stirred increased interest when he went out on an installations lap with seven minutes of the hour remaining. His Renault teammate Fisichella also did one lap.
Ernesto Viso and Jarno Trulli both spun and continued as the pace increased in the final minutes, but there was no sign of activity in the Ferrari garage where Michael Schumacher, in his final Grand Prix, appeared to wait patiently, but without doing a lap.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.764 5
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:13.902 + 0.138 32
3. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:13.922 + 0.158 25
4. Vettel BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.204 + 0.440 29
5. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.237 + 0.473 5
6. Button Honda (M) 1:14.487 + 0.723 4
7. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:14.888 + 1.124 8
8. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.159 + 1.395 25
9. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:15.661 + 1.897 6
10. Ammermuller Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:15.711 + 1.947 22
11. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:16.168 + 2.404 6
12. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:16.534 + 2.770 16
13. Viso Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:16.737 + 2.973 32
14. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:17.047 + 3.283 14
15. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:17.311 + 3.547 8
16. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:17.388 + 3.624 14
17. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:17.744 + 3.980 6
18. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) No time 1
19. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) No time 1
20. Albers Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) No time 1
21. Monteiro Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) No time 1
22. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
23. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
24. Fisichella Renault (M) No time 1
25. Alonso Renault (M) No time 1
26. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B)
27. Massa Ferrari (B)
28. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B)
29. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B)
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 10-20-2006 11:30 AM |
An ominous sign?
[QUOTE]Renault swap Alonso's engines
Friday, October 20th 2006, 15:23 GMT
The Renault team have made a last-minute change of engines in Fernando Alonso's car ahead of this weekend's Brazilian Grand Prix.
After dyno tests at the Viry factory, the team decided to switch Alonso's planned engine for the one in the spare car.
The engine the world champion will use is still the D5 specification, but has slightly different parts that the team preferred to go with.
[B]As the change was done before the first practice there is no penalty.[/B]
Alonso, who needs just one points to become world champion again, completed just an installation lap in practice and set not times.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Renault swap Alonso's engines
Friday, October 20th 2006, 15:23 GMT
The Renault team have made a last-minute change of engines in Fernando Alonso's car ahead of this weekend's Brazilian Grand Prix.
After dyno tests at the Viry factory, the team decided to switch Alonso's planned engine for the one in the spare car.
The engine the world champion will use is still the D5 specification, but has slightly different parts that the team preferred to go with.
[B]As the change was done before the first practice there is no penalty.[/B]
Alonso, who needs just one points to become world champion again, completed just an installation lap in practice and set not times.[/QUOTE]
| meebs | 10-20-2006 12:54 PM |
uh ohhhhh....
I still don't know who I *want* to win this weekend. :(
I still don't know who I *want* to win this weekend. :(
| OnTheGas | 10-20-2006 04:30 PM |
Tamburello chicanes & Renault's Motors
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[QUOTE=Ferg;15683407]I agree 100% about the Villenueve chicane, but with Tamburello the circuit owners had no other choice. The needed to slow that corner and because of the location of the river there was no room to add runoff.[/QUOTE]I'm not questioning whether or not a chicane needs to be at Tamburello, as I know the river is right there. It is the design and implementation of the chicane @ Tamburello which could be much better to my amateur eyes.
[QUOTE=Ferg;15683407]Oh the the Renaults aren't so much "detuned". Fisi is getting a new spec engine while Fernando is sticking with the tried and true spec.[/QUOTE]By "detuned" I'm only thinking of the on-board, and trackside ecu tuning, and turning down the revs, etc.
I could be wrong here, but my thinking is that Renault has everything to lose if they push both motors hard, and blow one, or both, of them up. Their chassis is cream of the crop, as is their lead driver, so they could turn down the revs a bit, baby the motor some during the race, and still finish well up in the points. Just speculating as to Renault's weekend strategy...
[QUOTE=Ferg;15683407]Oh the the Renaults aren't so much "detuned". Fisi is getting a new spec engine while Fernando is sticking with the tried and true spec.[/QUOTE]By "detuned" I'm only thinking of the on-board, and trackside ecu tuning, and turning down the revs, etc.
I could be wrong here, but my thinking is that Renault has everything to lose if they push both motors hard, and blow one, or both, of them up. Their chassis is cream of the crop, as is their lead driver, so they could turn down the revs a bit, baby the motor some during the race, and still finish well up in the points. Just speculating as to Renault's weekend strategy...
| OnTheGas | 10-20-2006 04:43 PM |
Wurz & Bridgestone Fastest in 2nd Friday Practice
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Check out these 2nd session practice times! Of the 3rd drivers, the fastest was Wurz, who is B'Stone's lead Friday 3rd driver. The fastest of the racing drivers was Trulli in his B'Stone shod Toyota just ahead of Button's Honda.
So, of course, reading Friday practice times is as scientific as reading tea-leaves, but...
It is worth noting that the worst thing that could happen for Renault, tire-wise, is for the B'Stone's to be significantly faster in qualifying and race pace, because it would result in two things: First, it would force Renault to run their motors at higher levels for longer periods of time, and second it would bring Toyota up high into the points.
That probably won't happen (that is B'Stones being superior in qual and race pace), but something to keep in mind.
[CODE]Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:12.547 33
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:12.653 + 0.106 37
3. Vettel BMW-Sauber (M) 1:12.870 + 0.323 33
4. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:13.483 + 0.936 21
5. Button Honda (M) 1:13.485 + 0.938 13
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:13.713 + 1.166 15
7. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:13.765 + 1.218 22
8. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:13.792 + 1.245 20
9. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.803 + 1.256 8
10. Alonso Renault (M) 1:13.820 + 1.273 16
11. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.926 + 1.379 16
12. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:14.053 + 1.506 17
13. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:14.434 + 1.887 17
14. Ammermuller Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:14.436 + 1.889 31
15. Monteiro Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.468 + 1.921 18
16. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.510 + 1.963 15
17. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:14.561 + 2.014 15
18. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.793 + 2.246 13
19. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:14.839 + 2.292 15
20. Viso Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.972 + 2.425 26
21. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:15.023 + 2.476 27
22. Albers Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:15.086 + 2.539 21
23. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:15.124 + 2.577 14
24. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:15.214 + 2.667 21
25. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.737 + 3.190 22
26. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.855 + 3.308 28
27. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.868 + 3.321 22
28. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.251 + 3.704 8
29. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:18.321 + 5.774 9[/CODE]
So, of course, reading Friday practice times is as scientific as reading tea-leaves, but...
It is worth noting that the worst thing that could happen for Renault, tire-wise, is for the B'Stone's to be significantly faster in qualifying and race pace, because it would result in two things: First, it would force Renault to run their motors at higher levels for longer periods of time, and second it would bring Toyota up high into the points.
That probably won't happen (that is B'Stones being superior in qual and race pace), but something to keep in mind.
[CODE]Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:12.547 33
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:12.653 + 0.106 37
3. Vettel BMW-Sauber (M) 1:12.870 + 0.323 33
4. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:13.483 + 0.936 21
5. Button Honda (M) 1:13.485 + 0.938 13
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:13.713 + 1.166 15
7. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:13.765 + 1.218 22
8. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:13.792 + 1.245 20
9. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.803 + 1.256 8
10. Alonso Renault (M) 1:13.820 + 1.273 16
11. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:13.926 + 1.379 16
12. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:14.053 + 1.506 17
13. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:14.434 + 1.887 17
14. Ammermuller Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:14.436 + 1.889 31
15. Monteiro Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.468 + 1.921 18
16. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.510 + 1.963 15
17. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:14.561 + 2.014 15
18. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:14.793 + 2.246 13
19. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:14.839 + 2.292 15
20. Viso Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.972 + 2.425 26
21. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:15.023 + 2.476 27
22. Albers Spyker MF1-Toyota (B) 1:15.086 + 2.539 21
23. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:15.124 + 2.577 14
24. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:15.214 + 2.667 21
25. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.737 + 3.190 22
26. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.855 + 3.308 28
27. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:15.868 + 3.321 22
28. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.251 + 3.704 8
29. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:18.321 + 5.774 9[/CODE]
| ArtGecko | 10-20-2006 06:59 PM |
These were titled your "worst picks"???? I hope not, as the first six of them are exactly the same as mine, and I sure hope to not drop out of third. But, my tendency at the end of the season is to blow it big time...
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15681359]
So yet again, more stupid picks:[LIST=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He'll win, or blow it up! :-D[*][b]Felipe[/b] - Despite the added pressure of a home GP, he'll beat the detuned Renaults[*][b]Fernando[/b] - It's unusual for him to finish below 2nd...[*][b]Kimi[/b] - He's gonna look good in red on the top spot of the podium next season![*][b]Giancarlo[/b] - Kimi in a lessor car will beat him again[*][b]Jenson[/b] - Will dogfight Pedro for these points[*][b]Pedro[/b] - Grabbing the scraps[*][b]Rubens[/b] - He used to be the young brazilian supporting Michael @ Ferrari[/LIST][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15681359]
So yet again, more stupid picks:[LIST=1][*][b]Michael[/b] - He'll win, or blow it up! :-D[*][b]Felipe[/b] - Despite the added pressure of a home GP, he'll beat the detuned Renaults[*][b]Fernando[/b] - It's unusual for him to finish below 2nd...[*][b]Kimi[/b] - He's gonna look good in red on the top spot of the podium next season![*][b]Giancarlo[/b] - Kimi in a lessor car will beat him again[*][b]Jenson[/b] - Will dogfight Pedro for these points[*][b]Pedro[/b] - Grabbing the scraps[*][b]Rubens[/b] - He used to be the young brazilian supporting Michael @ Ferrari[/LIST][/QUOTE]
| rupertberr | 10-21-2006 10:06 AM |
Here are the picks I sent in Wednesday:
1. M.Schumacher
2. G.Fisichella
3. F.Alonso
4. F.Massa
5. J.Button
6. R.Barrichello
7. R.Kubica
8. J.Trulli
In other words, I don't know.:confused:
[CODE]8. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:13.792 + 1.245 20[/CODE]
:eek:
1. M.Schumacher
2. G.Fisichella
3. F.Alonso
4. F.Massa
5. J.Button
6. R.Barrichello
7. R.Kubica
8. J.Trulli
In other words, I don't know.:confused:
[CODE]8. Montagny Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:13.792 + 1.245 20[/CODE]
:eek:
| rupertberr | 10-21-2006 12:32 PM |
Gun men shoot up Toyota team!
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[QUOTE]SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) � Four members of the Toyota Formula One team were ambushed Friday by a group of gunmen near the Interlagos circuit in Brazil, but no one was injured.
"About 20 teenagers stopped us and other cars as we left the track Friday afternoon," Toyota spokeswoman Fernanda Villas-Boas said Saturday. "Some people tried to escape and they started shooting, we lowered our heads and were able to flee. Thankfully nothing more serious happened."
The ambush occurred about 1.8 miles away from the track on the Interlagos Avenue, the main road used by teams and drivers to access the circuit.
Villas-Boas was among members of the Toyota team in the car.
"One of them pointed the gun to my head and tried breaking the window of the car with his foot," she said. "No one was hurt, but everybody was really upset afterward."
Team drivers Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli were not present. Armed robberies are not uncommon in Sao Paulo, a city of more than 12 million people.
"We have to make it clear this was not related to the Brazilian Grand Prix, they didn't know we were with Toyota," Villas-Boas said.
The Brazilian GP takes place Sunday, with the title still undecided between seven-time champion Michael Schumacher of Ferrari and Fernando Alonso or Renault.
Alonso has a 10-point lead and can clinch the title � his second consecutive � by finishing eighth or better. Schumacher must win the race and hope Alonso fails to earn any points.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) � Four members of the Toyota Formula One team were ambushed Friday by a group of gunmen near the Interlagos circuit in Brazil, but no one was injured.
"About 20 teenagers stopped us and other cars as we left the track Friday afternoon," Toyota spokeswoman Fernanda Villas-Boas said Saturday. "Some people tried to escape and they started shooting, we lowered our heads and were able to flee. Thankfully nothing more serious happened."
The ambush occurred about 1.8 miles away from the track on the Interlagos Avenue, the main road used by teams and drivers to access the circuit.
Villas-Boas was among members of the Toyota team in the car.
"One of them pointed the gun to my head and tried breaking the window of the car with his foot," she said. "No one was hurt, but everybody was really upset afterward."
Team drivers Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli were not present. Armed robberies are not uncommon in Sao Paulo, a city of more than 12 million people.
"We have to make it clear this was not related to the Brazilian Grand Prix, they didn't know we were with Toyota," Villas-Boas said.
The Brazilian GP takes place Sunday, with the title still undecided between seven-time champion Michael Schumacher of Ferrari and Fernando Alonso or Renault.
Alonso has a 10-point lead and can clinch the title � his second consecutive � by finishing eighth or better. Schumacher must win the race and hope Alonso fails to earn any points.[/QUOTE]
| HomerJay | 10-21-2006 12:52 PM |
Yeah, I saw that story also. I used to want to visit Brazil, but no thanks. I think I'll stay out of 3rd world countries.
| OnTheGas | 10-21-2006 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE=ArtGecko;15690534]These were titled your "worst picks"???? I hope not, as the first six of them are exactly the same as mine...[/QUOTE]:lol: :lol:
I'm not saying you made poor picks... At least you have a good B'Stone runner, Webber in your picks. My picks were poor because I didn't put a Toyota in them, and Trulli is likely to do well (if the B'Stones are fast for Williams and Toyota, and it turns they are pretty good). So... my picks suck, but I've been sucking all season. My only pleasure is offer a box of Krispy Kreme donuts to the winner! (Old skool!) :D
I'm not saying you made poor picks... At least you have a good B'Stone runner, Webber in your picks. My picks were poor because I didn't put a Toyota in them, and Trulli is likely to do well (if the B'Stones are fast for Williams and Toyota, and it turns they are pretty good). So... my picks suck, but I've been sucking all season. My only pleasure is offer a box of Krispy Kreme donuts to the winner! (Old skool!) :D
| OnTheGas | 10-21-2006 01:50 PM |
Q2 session just finished, and here are some surprises as to who did not make the top ten:
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...
| OnTheGas | 10-21-2006 02:04 PM |
Wow!
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Schumacher's Ferrari broke in q3, so he q'd #10... don't know if the engine broke, and they have to swap, or what...
This would be two races in a row that would have been easy wins for Schumacher where his car has failed. Amazing!
This would be two races in a row that would have been easy wins for Schumacher where his car has failed. Amazing!
| bitterWRX | 10-21-2006 02:04 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15696138]Q2 session just finished, and here are some surprises as to who did not make the top ten:
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...[/QUOTE]
Qualifyings? I thought they were LIVE at 12pm (PST)
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...[/QUOTE]
Qualifyings? I thought they were LIVE at 12pm (PST)
| OnTheGas | 10-21-2006 03:06 PM |
Engines Key to Championship Showdown?
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This contains a little bit of insight on Ferrari's engine failures, as well as how they use the low, medium, and high rev limits during the weekend.
[quote][i][URL="http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/33514/"]Adam Cooper, RACER Magazine[/URL] Sao Paulo, Brazil � 10/21/2006[/i]
Renault and Ferrari are both entering Sunday�s title showdown with doubts about engine reliability, despite the fact that all four drivers in the two teams start this weekend with new engines that have to run only one meeting.
Ferrari has suffered two high-profile failures, with Felipe Massa in practice in China, and Michael Schumacher in the race in Japan. Both were related to valves, but were different problems.
Worryingly for Ferrari, the engine in Robert Doornbos�s Red Bull had a failure on Friday which he reported was similar to that in Massa�s Shanghai engine. All three failures occurred in engine that were on their second weekend and thus had done a relatively high number of laps.
�The Suzuka problem was a one off, we hope,� said Ross Brawn. �And it was a failure of the top end of a valve where it connects to the collets around the pneumatic piston; nothing we�ve seen before, so we�ve been super-vigilant � we always are � but super vigilant on the build of these engines to try and make sure that we can avoid the problem occurring again, but we don�t have a complete explanation for what happened.�
Both teams have the capacity to use higher revs for longer on their one-race engines, but the concerns may force them to be more conservative than planned.
�Over the life of two race engines, we have a certain number of higher rev laps you can do, and they are generally spread over two races,� said Brawn. �I think all of us run low revs in practice, run medium revs in a race and then high revs in qualifying, and occasionally higher revs in a race if you need them. Of course, having a one race engine, those higher revs are available over one race instead of two, so if we need to, there�s a greater opportunity to run revs. We won�t do it unless we have to and we�ve always taken that approach: you don�t use the revs unless you have to but we know they�re there if we need them.�
Meanwhile, Fernando Alonso suffered an expensive failure in Monza, but the team had thought that the problems were behind them until a failure on the dyno on Thursday. It was discovered that the offending part came from a batch that also provided bits for the engine that was in Alonso�s car, which had been the T-car engine back in Japan.
As a precaution it was decided to give the Spaniard a newer but identical engine that had been fitted in the T-car for Brazil. Since the switch happened before practice started, there was no grid penalty. Alonso is using a slightly more conservative spec than Giancarlo Fisichella.
�We�ve actually got two different specs of engines in the car,� said Renault�s Pat Symonds. �Giancarlo has got an E-spec and Fernando a D5-spec. The E-spec is slightly better but it�s really a very small difference. Our approach is that the performance is there, we will use it if we need to, we won�t use it if we don�t need to, and this really is our approach every weekend.�[/quote]
[quote][i][URL="http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/33514/"]Adam Cooper, RACER Magazine[/URL] Sao Paulo, Brazil � 10/21/2006[/i]
Renault and Ferrari are both entering Sunday�s title showdown with doubts about engine reliability, despite the fact that all four drivers in the two teams start this weekend with new engines that have to run only one meeting.
Ferrari has suffered two high-profile failures, with Felipe Massa in practice in China, and Michael Schumacher in the race in Japan. Both were related to valves, but were different problems.
Worryingly for Ferrari, the engine in Robert Doornbos�s Red Bull had a failure on Friday which he reported was similar to that in Massa�s Shanghai engine. All three failures occurred in engine that were on their second weekend and thus had done a relatively high number of laps.
�The Suzuka problem was a one off, we hope,� said Ross Brawn. �And it was a failure of the top end of a valve where it connects to the collets around the pneumatic piston; nothing we�ve seen before, so we�ve been super-vigilant � we always are � but super vigilant on the build of these engines to try and make sure that we can avoid the problem occurring again, but we don�t have a complete explanation for what happened.�
Both teams have the capacity to use higher revs for longer on their one-race engines, but the concerns may force them to be more conservative than planned.
�Over the life of two race engines, we have a certain number of higher rev laps you can do, and they are generally spread over two races,� said Brawn. �I think all of us run low revs in practice, run medium revs in a race and then high revs in qualifying, and occasionally higher revs in a race if you need them. Of course, having a one race engine, those higher revs are available over one race instead of two, so if we need to, there�s a greater opportunity to run revs. We won�t do it unless we have to and we�ve always taken that approach: you don�t use the revs unless you have to but we know they�re there if we need them.�
Meanwhile, Fernando Alonso suffered an expensive failure in Monza, but the team had thought that the problems were behind them until a failure on the dyno on Thursday. It was discovered that the offending part came from a batch that also provided bits for the engine that was in Alonso�s car, which had been the T-car engine back in Japan.
As a precaution it was decided to give the Spaniard a newer but identical engine that had been fitted in the T-car for Brazil. Since the switch happened before practice started, there was no grid penalty. Alonso is using a slightly more conservative spec than Giancarlo Fisichella.
�We�ve actually got two different specs of engines in the car,� said Renault�s Pat Symonds. �Giancarlo has got an E-spec and Fernando a D5-spec. The E-spec is slightly better but it�s really a very small difference. Our approach is that the performance is there, we will use it if we need to, we won�t use it if we don�t need to, and this really is our approach every weekend.�[/quote]
| OnTheGas | 10-21-2006 03:43 PM |
Starting Grid
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[CODE]Pos Driver Tire Team Qualifying time Notes
1. Massa B Ferrari 1:10.680
2. Raikkonen M McLaren-Mercedes 1:11.299
3. Trulli B Toyota 1:11.328
4. Alonso M Renault 1:11.567
5. Barrichello M Honda 1:11.619
6. Fisichella M Renault 1:11.629
7. RSchumacher B Toyota 1:11.695
8. Heidfeld M BMW 1:11.882
9. Kubica M BMW 1:12.131
10. MSchumacher B Ferrari no time Fuel pressure
11. Webber B Williams-Cosworth 1:11.650
12. de la Rosa M McLaren-Mercedes 1:11.658
13. Rosberg B Williams-Cosworth 1:11.679
14. Button M Honda 1:11.742
15. Liuzzi M Toro Rosso-Cosworth 1:12.861
16. Speed M Toro Rosso-Cosworth 1:12.856
17. Albers B Spyker MF1-Toyota 1:13.138
18. Coulthard M Red Bull-Ferrari 1:13.249
19. Sato B Super Aguri-Honda 1:13.269
20. Yamamoto B Super Aguri-Honda 1:13.357
21. Monteiro B Spyker MF1-Toyota no time Spun
22. Doornbos M Red Bull-Ferrari 1:12.591 Engine
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Notice the fast guys loaded into the middle of the grid... Button, de la Rosa, Webber, and of course Michael all gridded 'tween 10th and 14th...
1. Massa B Ferrari 1:10.680
2. Raikkonen M McLaren-Mercedes 1:11.299
3. Trulli B Toyota 1:11.328
4. Alonso M Renault 1:11.567
5. Barrichello M Honda 1:11.619
6. Fisichella M Renault 1:11.629
7. RSchumacher B Toyota 1:11.695
8. Heidfeld M BMW 1:11.882
9. Kubica M BMW 1:12.131
10. MSchumacher B Ferrari no time Fuel pressure
11. Webber B Williams-Cosworth 1:11.650
12. de la Rosa M McLaren-Mercedes 1:11.658
13. Rosberg B Williams-Cosworth 1:11.679
14. Button M Honda 1:11.742
15. Liuzzi M Toro Rosso-Cosworth 1:12.861
16. Speed M Toro Rosso-Cosworth 1:12.856
17. Albers B Spyker MF1-Toyota 1:13.138
18. Coulthard M Red Bull-Ferrari 1:13.249
19. Sato B Super Aguri-Honda 1:13.269
20. Yamamoto B Super Aguri-Honda 1:13.357
21. Monteiro B Spyker MF1-Toyota no time Spun
22. Doornbos M Red Bull-Ferrari 1:12.591 Engine
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Notice the fast guys loaded into the middle of the grid... Button, de la Rosa, Webber, and of course Michael all gridded 'tween 10th and 14th...
| Ferg | 10-21-2006 04:59 PM |
Michael lost the fuel pump which they can change without taking a penalty.
It aint over yet but the mountain just got quite a bit higher.
It aint over yet but the mountain just got quite a bit higher.
| soldmyboxster | 10-21-2006 07:54 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15696221]Schumacher's Ferrari broke in q3, so he q'd #10... don't know if the engine broke, and they have to swap, or what...
This would be two races in a row that would have been easy wins for Schumacher where his car has failed. Amazing![/QUOTE]
^^^
Damnit, quali had just started and I open this thread. What's the first thing I see? EASY WITH THE SPOILERS!
This would be two races in a row that would have been easy wins for Schumacher where his car has failed. Amazing![/QUOTE]
^^^
Damnit, quali had just started and I open this thread. What's the first thing I see? EASY WITH THE SPOILERS!
| Ferg | 10-21-2006 08:04 PM |
Indeed...
I didn't realize Speed was doing a same day delay with quali..opened this thread and BAM!
Next season there's going to be a zero tolerance rule for posting spoilers, at least in the F1 threads!
I didn't realize Speed was doing a same day delay with quali..opened this thread and BAM!
Next season there's going to be a zero tolerance rule for posting spoilers, at least in the F1 threads!
| artkevin | 10-21-2006 08:43 PM |
I didn't realise that is was tape delayed either. I was wondering why the race was so early compared to quali.
Just as a rule fo thumb I don't click ANYTHING F1 until I have seen that day's action. It sucks when you travel though.
Just as a rule fo thumb I don't click ANYTHING F1 until I have seen that day's action. It sucks when you travel though.
| bemani | 10-21-2006 09:08 PM |
As soon as Ferrari announced that they signed Kimi, their cars start breaking.
Kimi's jinxed!
Kimi's jinxed!
| ptclaus98 | 10-22-2006 01:33 AM |
[QUOTE=bemani;15698943]As soon as Ferrari announced that they signed Kimi, their cars start breaking.
Kimi's jinxed![/QUOTE]
:mad:
Kimi's jinxed![/QUOTE]
:mad:
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2006 02:38 AM |
Massa and Raikonnen on the front row.. a sign of things to come?
| bitterWRX | 10-22-2006 04:24 AM |
Ferrari... what is going on?? Get your act together. I'm not usually a fan of Ferrari but they are embarassing themselves especially with a last race as great as Schumacher's.
Congrats to Massa though. Pole at a home track is probably an amazing feeling. Hope he can keep it up tomorrow.
Congrats to Massa though. Pole at a home track is probably an amazing feeling. Hope he can keep it up tomorrow.
| StuBeck | 10-22-2006 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15696138]Q2 session just finished, and here are some surprises as to who did not make the top ten:
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...[/QUOTE]
You realize Nico was .029 slower than his teammate who has run at the track 5 times more than him right? Thats not really "slow."
P11 Webber - Had been faster earlier this weekend
[b]P12 de la Rosa[/b] - What's up w/that?
P13 Rosberg - Just joking! This is no surprise... Nico has been slow all season!
[b]P14 Button[/b] - Formula1.com mentioned traction control problems...[/QUOTE]
You realize Nico was .029 slower than his teammate who has run at the track 5 times more than him right? Thats not really "slow."
| REX8 | 10-22-2006 11:29 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;15701139]Ferrari... what is going on?? Get your act together. I'm not usually a fan of Ferrari but they are embarassing themselves especially with a last race as great as Schumacher's.
Congrats to Massa though. Pole at a home track is probably an amazing feeling. Hope he can keep it up tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
How can Ferrari guard against a freak fuel pump failer???
You guys take it too far. MS reliability has been GREAT all year. You can't expect them never to have a failure. They obviously have a VERY reliable engine, they could only have expected it to stay that way.
And teh fuel-pump, that is a freak failure that you never see....again, how is that their fault???
Congrats to Massa though. Pole at a home track is probably an amazing feeling. Hope he can keep it up tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
How can Ferrari guard against a freak fuel pump failer???
You guys take it too far. MS reliability has been GREAT all year. You can't expect them never to have a failure. They obviously have a VERY reliable engine, they could only have expected it to stay that way.
And teh fuel-pump, that is a freak failure that you never see....again, how is that their fault???
| spazegun2213 | 10-22-2006 01:13 PM |
Nice shout out to us :)
| cdvma | 10-22-2006 01:13 PM |
Cool, we got a shoutout :)
| cooleyjb | 10-22-2006 01:13 PM |
[QUOTE=spazegun2213;15702668]Nice shout out to us :)[/QUOTE]
dang you're fast
dang you're fast
| Dogbert2 | 10-22-2006 01:13 PM |
Woot! Shout out! :lol: :banana:
EDIT: ha ha
EDIT: ha ha
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2006 01:14 PM |
We're teh famous! :banana:
| Leonardo | 10-22-2006 01:15 PM |
YES!!!!!!!
We made it into the show!!!!!
We made it into the show!!!!!
| ptclaus98 | 10-22-2006 01:16 PM |
[QUOTE=cdvma;15702670]Cool, we got a shoutout :)[/QUOTE]
Did I miss the ****ing shout out?!!:mad: :mad: :mad:
Did I miss the ****ing shout out?!!:mad: :mad: :mad:
| S4toSTI | 10-22-2006 01:18 PM |
Just heard the shout out sweet he bobbled it alittle tho.
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2006 01:18 PM |
Oi, so much for the championship. Congrats Alonso.
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:20 PM |
This race sucks already...
| John__Gotti | 10-22-2006 01:21 PM |
Nice one, we got on Bob's shout outs. Good job to you guys for getting us on. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
| S4toSTI | 10-22-2006 01:21 PM |
Ends on a tire insane.
| boost junkie | 10-22-2006 01:22 PM |
Dammit! What a crappy way to end his career...he was so close too. He'd be in 4th right now if it weren't for that tire. Oh well, he won't go out on top but he's still pretty damn close.
| ptclaus98 | 10-22-2006 01:24 PM |
Is Mike just racing for dignity now?
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:24 PM |
A bad day for any Toyota, or Williams fans...
| Scooby-Doode | 10-22-2006 01:25 PM |
[QUOTE=spazegun2213;15702668]Nice shout out to us :)[/QUOTE]
YEAH BABY!!! Nice job Bob Varsha. :D :D :D :D :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
YEAH BABY!!! Nice job Bob Varsha. :D :D :D :D :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
| S4toSTI | 10-22-2006 01:25 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;15702737]Is Mike just racing for dignity now?[/QUOTE]
He can't just stop.
He can't just stop.
| psg | 10-22-2006 01:26 PM |
Didn't Fisi make contact with the tire that went down? So, why isn't anyone ripping him a new one?
I'm not a Schumacher fan, but boy, I hate Renault.
I'm not a Schumacher fan, but boy, I hate Renault.
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:27 PM |
Michael is now 17th thanks to the Toyotas collapsing, the Williams taking each other out, and now Coulthard's RedBull dying...
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=psg;15702750]Didn't Fisi make contact with the tire that went down? So, why isn't anyone ripping him a new one?[/QUOTE]Is that what happened? It could have been debris from the slow one's crash, I mean Nico's crash.
| ptclaus98 | 10-22-2006 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=S4toSTI;15702744]He can't just stop.[/QUOTE]
Good point.
Good point.
| psg | 10-22-2006 01:31 PM |
Fisi made contact with his right front endplate to Michael's left rear tire after Michael turned down into him on T1; Michael had the position, but Fisi didn't budge. Two corners later, the tire went down. I'm going to safely assume Fisichella did it. Can't beat him? Have your teammate take him out.
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:34 PM |
Fisi the hitman
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[QUOTE=psg;15702765]Fisi made contact with his right front endplate to Michael's left rear tire after Michael turned down into him on T1; Michael had the position, but Fisi didn't budge. Two corners later, the tire went down. I'm going to safely assume Fisichella did it. Can't beat him? Have your teammate take him out.[/QUOTE]That mofo! That is disgusting! :mad: :mad:
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2006 01:38 PM |
Fisi didn't take him out... jesus! Schumacher came down on him too early and ran over the front wing. Fisi didn't have any room to move over, and didn't have a reason to back off the throttle.
ibmoreconspiracytheories
ibmoreconspiracytheories
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:42 PM |
heidfeld is pitting now, so he should get around PdlR... why is Pedro so slow?
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:44 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf;15702816]Fisi didn't take him out... jesus! Schumacher came down on him too early and ran over the front wing. Fisi didn't have any room to move over, and didn't have a reason to back off the throttle.[/QUOTE]OK, I'll have to watch the tape then...
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;15702847]heidfeld is pitting now, so he should get around PdlR... why is Pedro so slow?[/QUOTE]To answer my own question... PdlR is 1 stopping, so he was fat w/fuel...
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:47 PM |
Michael is now 11th...
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:52 PM |
Michael in the points @ 8th now...
| OnTheGas | 10-22-2006 01:54 PM |
Michael will pit soon, he's turning fastest laps...
| cdvma | 10-22-2006 01:56 PM |
Fisi didn't take out his tire, thats a ludicrous statement.
Now his car is messed up ...maybee....ugh poor guy.
Now his car is messed up ...maybee....ugh poor guy.
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