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Weight Reduction part 16

68Cadillac 02-10-2011 01:25 PM

And back on topic...

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While the EVAP system is out for service, I noticed this tie down welded to the framerail. Bastard was on there with 12 spot welds. Took me 4 hours to remove it. The cramped area you have to work in to get at it prevents using the grinder for two-thirds of the spot welds and the spot weld remover can't get even close to a straight shot when you chuck it in a drill. I resorted to drilling at an angle with increasingly larger bits, bending, and prying. Broke one of my 1/8" bits. Frustrating.

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All for a pay off of [B]240 grams[/B] (0.529 lbm) removed. I know the picture reads 213 but there were metal shaving everywhere after grinding, sawing, drilling, and bending this off. I'm calling it 240; problem? :diaf:

[SIZE="1"]Current Mass of my Subaru [/SIZE]
1304.970 kg (2876.966 lbm): curb weight (full of fuel), or
1260.699 kg (2779.366 lbm): dry weight (no fuel)
Total mass removed: 130.651 kg (288.036 lbm)
gtasti 02-10-2011 02:38 PM

wow you really took off your stock tow hook

but can to post a picture of the tool to remove spot welds
I'd like to remove the jack plate inside the truck

i have the perrin pulley and a light weight flywheel and i do get mis fire codes time and time again but i have no idea if thats what causes it as i got a tonne of other mods on my car as well
68Cadillac 02-10-2011 03:00 PM

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Spot Weld Removal Tool

Just go slow or you burn up the teeth. Use cutting fluid and you'll get more life out of the the tool. See smoke? Slow down. Let the tool cool off.

Lay into it with the bit spinning at max speed and you'll be lucky to get 20 uses out of it.
Str8Gone 02-10-2011 06:56 PM

[quote=BeBop86;33262774]I've got a perrin lwcp and an ACT streetlite flywheel and I don't throw any codes...

I think it's the later years that are sensative.[/quote]

Im running a perrin lwcp and an exedy flywheel, and I dont throw any codes. also running a dss driveshaft :D
Kentrik 02-11-2011 02:43 AM

Nice.

I would love to run the Cobb one with my exedy and the DSS shaft. I think I may jump off the fence and try one of those LWCP's and see what the diff is. My car probably needs to have the plugs and coil packs taken care of anyway. Lol.

68, have you gone as far as to start cutting "speed holes" in anything yet? Lol. I'm trying to think of other brackets that can be lightened or replaced. I'm also thinking of picking up a carbon or FG trunk and using those neodymium magnets instead of the trunk springs...
A-man07 02-11-2011 05:48 AM

[quote=Kentrik;33270077]Nice.

I would love to run the Cobb one with my exedy and the DSS shaft. I think I may jump off the fence and try one of those LWCP's and see what the diff is. My car probably needs to have the plugs and coil packs taken care of anyway. Lol.

68, have you gone as far as to start cutting "speed holes" in anything yet? Lol. I'm trying to think of other brackets that can be lightened or replaced. I'm also thinking of picking up a carbon or FG trunk and using those neodymium magnets instead of the trunk springs...[/quote]

I have a Cobb lwcp and a CF driveshaft. Having an ACT Streetlight flywheel placed now as part of my engine build. Hoping for no codes :p.

Also, have a Spec C aluminum trunklid and am using the neodynium magnets. Works fine.
Kentrik 02-11-2011 05:51 AM

How much weight did you shed with the magnets/trunk? I know it works just fine, I'm just curious on the savings. It looks like Primitive has one more fiberglass trunk in stock, and I figured I would see if I can pick it up over the next few weeks to start shedding weight.
A-man07 02-11-2011 06:08 AM

I have an STi with the big wing so the combined weight of the OEM trunk/wing is 41 lbs (24 for the trunk and 17 for the wing). The Spec-C trunk was 13 lbs and I took off a couple of pounds in underbracing, badges and the lock mechanism, so I was able to shed 30 lbs + 1 lbs each for the trunk springs.
Kentrik 02-11-2011 06:11 AM

Nice!

...now if only I could figure out a quick way to shave weight like that off the front end to help distribute it more evenly. Lol.
A-man07 02-11-2011 06:25 AM

[quote=Kentrik;33270391]...now if only I could figure out a quick way to shave weight like that off the front end to help distribute it more evenly. Lol.[/quote]

This is definitely an issue. I've left some obvious stuff on the back half of the car because I've already removed so much off the rear and don't want to futz with the weight distribution anymore.

Off the front I've removed the front bumper beam, the U-subframe and gone to a 9 lb battery (Braille). I've removed every conceivable bracket in the engine bay except the ABS one and I doubt I'll remove that one. I have lightweight rotors and coilovers as well as lighter wheels. I've done most of the brackets and plates under the dash and of course sound deadener. I've removed the windshield wipers and motor (8 lbs) but it's pretty much a sunny weather car anyway. I'm doing some further lightening of some engine components being swapped as part of my build like the turbine housing and a very lightweight UEL header. I plan to move the battery either to the trunk or in a plastic box under the passenger seat. I still have the stock seats in with plans to eventually go to lighter seats. Thinking of other custom things for the front end of the car as well. I'll post them here when I get around to doing all of it.
Kentrik 02-11-2011 06:49 AM

Well, I figure I'll relocate the batt to the trunk (possibly the window/intercooler spray as well) to help clean up and balance my weight a little more...besides, I will be running a medium-weight (around 22lbs) battery as it will still be powering some goodies (daily driven, just want to lighten it up a bit). Also, I'm running a FMIC, so my front bumper area is anything BUT normal. I still need to do the front subframe, and with 68Cadillac's inspiration, I will probably be doing some cutting of those front "fangs". I'm already running the front with no fender liners, so those are gone.

What exactly is the "u-subframe" to which you refer? Also, would it be possible to do some cutting out of the ABS bracket just to lighten it?
A-man07 02-11-2011 07:21 AM

Actually, I don't think your model had the U-subframe yet. Sure you could cut up the ABS bracket some.

You mentioned the washer fluid reservoir, I took that out as well as the hood insulation and the TMIC splitter as it didn't work with my Spearco anyway. This is my journal on IW as I'm forgetting other things anyway: [url]http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-members-journals/155041-mans-07-sti-dd-street-weapon-car-efi-logics.html[/url]
Kentrik 02-11-2011 07:38 AM

Sweet, A-man. Thanks for the link. I still haven't really started doing a TON of weight reduction (I have about 80lbs. off myself that I need to reduce as well :p), but I'm hoping that between your journal, Anorexic's journal, and the bracket modification that 68'lac is doing on here, I will get into this to reduce a LOT of stuff. :D
Splinter 02-11-2011 10:57 AM

My battery was in the trunk and I moved it back to the front, the amount of cabling you need to do it properly is very heavy.
A-man07 02-11-2011 11:58 AM

[quote=Splinter;33271836]My battery was in the trunk and I moved it back to the front, the amount of cabling you need to do it properly is very heavy.[/quote]

Which is why mine is still under the hood ;). Thinking about the passenger seat though.
DoinkMobb 02-11-2011 01:21 PM

Wow. I last posted in this thread about 8 years.

At age 22, I was interested in extracting every ounce of "performance" from my sad little 1.8L impreza. Annoying and buzzy was ok, as long as it was lighter and "faster".

At age 30, I'm more interested in making my commute more tolerable, so I added a ton of sound deadening material to my '96 Outback to make road noise less noticeable and make the stereo sound better.

I guess I'm old now...
u2_m4r1n3 02-11-2011 04:36 PM

[quote="A-man07"]

Which is why mine is still under the hood ;). Thinking about the passenger seat though.[/quote]

Mine is behind the passenger seat... :D
PestoSauce 02-11-2011 04:51 PM

How about a racing battery?
u2_m4r1n3 02-11-2011 07:38 PM

[quote="PestoSauce"]How about a racing battery?[/quote]

Mine is 15.5 lbs, didn't want to go too small.
68Cadillac 02-11-2011 08:28 PM

[quote=Kentrik;33270077]Nice.
68, have you gone as far as to start cutting "speed holes" in anything yet?[/quote]

It's tempting but I've restrained myself.

Went at it again...

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Noticed I forgot to remove sound deadening foam between the right front fender and the engine bay. What's up with that?

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Yanked it. [B]129 grams[/B].

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But what I really wanted to get at today was this area.

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Bracket that holds the wiring harness for the engine. It's right behind the battery. Like a bridge tower I guess.

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[B]71 grams[/B] including screw.

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Is that a spot weld cutter hovering over the battery tray?

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Sh'bam. Battery tray [B]227 grams[/B]. Held on with 18 spot welds. :mad:!
68Cadillac 02-11-2011 08:38 PM

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And the window washer spray tank lower support bracket. 5 spot welds. [B]62 grams[/B].

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Random push in plastic hardware that held wires to the removed items above. [B]11 grams[/B] :rolleyes:

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Here's what that area looks like now.

Altogether that's[B] 0.500 kg (1.102lbm)[/B] I removed today.

[B][SIZE="1"]Current Mass of my Subaru[/SIZE][/B]
1304.47 kg (2875.864 lbm): curb weight (full of fuel), or
1260.199 kg (2778.263 lbm): dry weight (no fuel)
Total mass removed: 131.151 kg (289.138 lbm)
Kentrik 02-12-2011 12:18 AM

[quote=DoinkMobb;33273466]Wow. I last posted in this thread about 8 years.

At age 22, I was interested in extracting every ounce of "performance" from my sad little 1.8L impreza. Annoying and buzzy was ok, as long as it was lighter and "faster".

At age 30, I'm more interested in making my commute more tolerable, so I added a ton of sound deadening material to my '96 Outback to make road noise less noticeable and make the stereo sound better.

I guess I'm old now...[/quote]

Not entirely. I'm at 26 now, and for a short time, I was thinking of selling my car and picking up an S4 because they are still fast, but are more heavy and comfortable.

Instead, now I'm thinking of keeping this car since it's almost paid off, and picking up a leggy or outback for a DD. I hate how noisy my car is on the freeway as a DD. Not so fun. :P But, i figure that I may soon turn this car into a street/track/rX car, so I'm looking on how to improve it without paying too much. :D
bemani 02-12-2011 03:33 AM

[quote=68Cadillac;33277486]

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Here's what that area looks like now.
[/quote]

I use a zip tie for the battery instead of the brackets. No problem for a 15lb battery.
Splinter 02-12-2011 10:01 AM

I'm running a Miata battery, a little more dependable than a braille but still light

I mounted it lower though.

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A-man07 02-12-2011 10:11 AM

^^^That's pretty good. Unfortunately, that's right where the ABS unit is on the GD chassis.
Garandman 02-12-2011 10:15 AM

Where can you buy the Spec C aluminum hood in the US? Or must they be sourced overseas?

Anyone know the real weight delta for an 09?
u2_m4r1n3 02-12-2011 11:51 AM

[quote="Garandman"]Where can you buy the Spec C aluminum hood in the US? Or must they be sourced overseas?

Anyone know the real weight delta for an 09?[/quote]

Japanparts.com

What do you mean real weight Delta? Which 09?
68Cadillac 02-12-2011 02:41 PM

[quote=u2_m4r1n3;33280854]Japanparts.com

What do you mean real weight Delta? Which 09?[/quote]
Delta in this instance means 'quantitative change'. Or what would be the sum total mass removed by swapping to a lighter trunk. OEM trunk mass LESS overpriced JDM trunk mass EQUALS mass delta.
u2_m4r1n3 02-12-2011 03:08 PM

[quote="68Cadillac"]
Delta in this instance means 'quantitative change'. Or what would be the sum total mass removed by swapping to a lighter trunk. OEM trunk mass LESS overpriced JDM trunk mass EQUALS mass delta.[/quote]

Very well, thanks.
A-man07 02-12-2011 03:29 PM

[quote=Garandman;33280347]Where can you buy the Spec C aluminum hood in the US? Or must they be sourced overseas?

Anyone know the real weight delta for an 09?[/quote]

I bought mine used from a rally prep shop in New York - NASIOC classifieds. I would call Subaru race/rally shops in the NE to get leads on a used one.

No idea on the 09 weight.
Splinter 02-12-2011 04:29 PM

[quote=A-man07;33280326]^^^That's pretty good. Unfortunately, that's right where the ABS unit is on the GD chassis.[/quote]

That's right where the ABS unit was on the GC chassis too. It was heavy. :lol:
u2_m4r1n3 02-12-2011 10:40 PM

[quote="Splinter"]

That's right where the ABS unit was on the GC chassis too. It was heavy. :lol:[/quote]

Was....

I like that, haha.
gtasti 02-21-2011 10:22 AM

anyone remove there AC and have problems defrosting the window in colder weather ?
WRX 2002 02-21-2011 11:18 AM

No problem....Chicago...
gtasti 02-21-2011 11:21 AM

ok thanks I've been thinking of removing the ac for awhile
A-man07 02-21-2011 12:00 PM

Actually, it's warmer more humid weather that causes trouble defogging the glass without an A/C.
gtasti 02-21-2011 12:36 PM

yea i didnt think of that

either way my car isnt a DD i drive it once or twice a week in the warmer month only no winter
68Cadillac 03-03-2011 03:37 AM

Over the past few weeks I got a bit more done.

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took this out from underneath the center console. The rear off the console can now flop around a bit if you push on it or lift up on the back of it. It doesn't move during the daily thrash. Definally can't put my 20 lb lead brick in there anymore. Lost [B]226 grams[/B]. Yes I tared out the 1.5g ziptie.

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Horns. Maybe not the wisest decision. [B]392 grams[/B].

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Tempted to remove the front grill but the Sube just looks silly without it. Kept it. It's 597 grams just so you know.

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Because of some [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33461371&postcount=58"]unforeseen complications with a drive shaft install[/URL] I had the differential mount subframe out.

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Clearanced a bit for the drive shaft. Also cut two large "speed" holes, and removed some welded on weight from the differential mount subframe. [B]733 grams[/B] removed.

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After paint.

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My eye caught the differential mount subframe braces sitting on the floor.

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Hole sawed [B]96 grams[/B] lighter.

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[URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33461371&postcount=58"]Installed a Driveshaft Shop aluminum propeller shaft. (SUSH1).[/URL] OEM weighed in at 10.25 kg (22.6 lbm). DSS 5.70 kg (12.6 lbm). ~4.55 kg loss, had to use the bathroom scale which measures in 0.2 lb increments :(.

For this update I removed 5.947 kg (13.111 lbm), and reached my goal! Over 300 lb removed.

[B][SIZE="1"]Current Mass of my Subaru[/SIZE][/B]
1298.523 kg (2862.753 lbm): curb weight (full of fuel), or
1254.252 kg (2765.152 lbm): dry weight (no fuel)
Total mass removed: 137.098 kg (302.249 lbm)
Kentrik 03-03-2011 03:54 AM

Woot! :banana: I love seeing all the random stuff you seem to find to cut and drill through to reduce weight.
Frank_Zuccarini 03-03-2011 08:24 AM

Congratulations on having removed over 300 lbs! That is no small accomplishment.

Frank
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 09:28 AM

Nice!

I can't wait till I reach over 360 lbm off the car. Before headers, up-pipe, and carbon hood the car was at about 3200 lbm, wet (full tank).
Splinter 03-03-2011 12:45 PM

My lightweight alternator crapped out on me, it gets too hot trying to keep up with the power demands. Had to go back to the stocker. :(
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 12:54 PM

[quote="Splinter"]My lightweight alternator crapped out on me, it gets too hot trying to keep up with the power demands. Had to go back to the stocker. :([/quote]

No bueno. At least you have the stock one.
Str8Gone 03-03-2011 12:55 PM

I had to do the same thing to my rear crossmember for the DSS driveshaft, just clearanced it with a torch with the member still on the car. Got my car weighed last Saturday at IAG perf. 2865 the way it sits with spare tire, AC and stock bumper beams and quarter tank of gas. Im deleting the AC real soon, also looking into a titanium catback

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68Cadillac 03-03-2011 12:56 PM

Glad to see my efforts inspire. :)

Meeting my goal of 300lb removed, is bittersweet. My efforts paid off, but my goal is past. The journey is where I find enjoyment.

Next goal: [B]316.5lbm (143.6kg)[/B] mass removed. Why so such an odd number? It's 10% of the OEM curb weight right off the ship, 3165lbm.
Str8Gone 03-03-2011 01:01 PM

I was wondering if the factory weights are dry weights? I know the 04 wrx is 3085 in the manual but idk if thats with or without fluids.
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 01:14 PM

[quote="68Cadillac"]Glad to see my efforts inspire. :)

Meeting my goal of 300lb removed, is bittersweet. My efforts paid off, but my goal is past. The journey is where I find enjoyment.

Next goal: 316.5lbm (143.6kg) mass removed. Why so such an odd number? It's 10% of the OEM curb weight right off the ship, 3165lbm.[/quote]

Hard for the GR to lose weight, so heavy stock. I was hoping I'd be under 3100 by now but with deployments and all that other busy work its slowing me down.
I don't think I'll get as low as you, but I'd like to shoot for under 3000 lbm this year.

CF drive shaft, CF door cards, and CF center console is all in my possession.... just need to install it all. Then, CF roof and hatch is in the near future, along with some lightweight floating brake rotors and brake booster delete (STI brake servo kit). Maybe lexan glass on the hatch, not sure yet. All expensive but once the CF is painted, it should last as long as I take care of it. Hoping that will take around 100 lbm off then do some chassis management ;)

Also going to do an air pump delete.
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 01:16 PM

[quote="Str8Gone"]I was wondering if the factory weights are dry weights? I know the 04 wrx is 3085 in the manual but idk if thats with or without fluids.[/quote]

They are the wet weight.
gtasti 03-03-2011 02:40 PM

I picked up the pst carbon shaft very nice piece
also removed the shield so i lost a few lbs there i should be under 3000lbs now
:)
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 02:49 PM

[quote="gtasti"]I picked up the pst carbon shaft very nice piece
also removed the shield so i lost a few lbs there i should be under 3000lbs now
:)[/quote]

Nice. What's stock weight?
gtasti 03-03-2011 02:59 PM

not sure its a 04 sti so

but i did have it on professional scales that my bro has for his race car so it was dead on
I'll weight it again this year on his scales see where its at

or did you mean stock weight of the drive shaft ?
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 03:10 PM

[quote="gtasti"]not sure its a 04 sti so

but i did have it on professional scales that my bro has for his race car so it was dead on
I'll weight it again this year on his scales see where its at

or did you mean stock weight of the drive shaft ?[/quote]

Sorry, stock weight of the car. But other weights would be neat to know. I want to say the 04 STIs were under 3200 stock, but idk.
68Cadillac 03-03-2011 03:30 PM

[URL="http://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/wrxsti2004.html"]CARS101[/URL] has the 2004 curb weights listed as:[INDENT][B]WRX Sedan[/B]
manual:3085lbs
auto:3140lbs
[I]Premium Pkg[/I]
manual 3,126lbs
auto: 3,181lbs

[B]WRX Sport Wagon[/B]
manual: 3,165lbs
auto:3,220lbs

[B]STi sedan[/B]
manual:3,263lbs[/INDENT]
gtasti 03-03-2011 04:34 PM

thats alright so i removed about 250lbs to 270 from the car not bad
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 04:39 PM

[quote="gtasti"]thats alright so i removed about 250lbs to 270 from the car not bad[/quote]

Not bad at all.

Keep going! :D
gtasti 03-03-2011 05:19 PM

I am I really want that tomei Ti exhaust but can't afford it atm unless my exhaust sell and the aps intercooler i got :(
Str8Gone 03-03-2011 05:24 PM

^Yea im waiting on that litespec exhaust, about half the price of tomei and it looks better imo
u2_m4r1n3 03-03-2011 05:28 PM

I'd like to do Ti too... but damn, it's expensive. I'd want a custom axle back though, so it's the same as I have now... but that means more money!

For now I'll pull weight from everywhere else, I'd rather lower the CG and take more weight off the front.
gtasti 03-03-2011 05:42 PM

[quote=Str8Gone;33467913]^Yea im waiting on that litespec exhaust, about half the price of tomei and it looks better imo[/quote]


but if you grab the tomei one you can also remove the left exhaust hanger lol a little more weight saving there as well :D

yea i saw litespec is releasing one soon I'll have to take a look at that one too
Str8Gone 03-03-2011 05:50 PM

I figure my car is already light as hell, anymore weightloss is just a bonus. The extra 600$ for the tomei is def not worth it. The tomei weighs 11.5 and the litespec is 15, I dont think 3.5 lbs is worth 600$ haha

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