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What INCAR camera are you using and what mount part 1

Scooby South 04-15-2006 08:50 PM

What INCAR camera are you using and what mount
Well...its come time to purchase a new camera system...

I know Cone cam which is just a little out of my price range.....but I want a normal digital Video Cam...to mount...

requirements:
-must use MPeG format or equivalent
-30 FPS a Must.
-not real Expensive..since its ONLY going to be used for Incar stuff...
-compact Flash Compatible
-the more zoom the better
-picture quality must be decent..


I am a digital Video nOOb....I had a incar before..but just a normal Compact VHS type...and all anolog...

Whats your setup...
Camera??
Mount???
type of Storage...

Thanks..

Bill
Scooby South 04-15-2006 08:53 PM

I will probably get the I/OPort mount..or theres actually one on Ebay that isn't bad...

what about multiple camera's....Footwork...Gauges....Course..

Thanks

Bill
Scooby South 04-15-2006 08:54 PM

my Budget is about $300...or less
jmolaver 04-15-2006 09:06 PM

$300 is just about right, assuming you're talking 1 camera, and 1 mount..

My brother just got this VS Billet camera mount for his Spec Miata, and he's liking it more then the IO Port so far, apparently much less vibration because the camera mount point is much closer to the pivot point..

[url]http://rivergate5speed.com/vs_camera_mount.html[/url]

As far as cameras, almost all the MiniDV setups are okay, but some of the digital stability systems are better then others. All of them can be dumped onto your PC / Mac and edited with any number of programs then output into Divx, Mpeg, WMV, etc...
Scooby South 04-15-2006 09:13 PM

[QUOTE=jmolaver]$300 is just about right, assuming you're talking 1 camera, and 1 mount..

My brother just got this VS Billet camera mount for his Spec Miata, and he's liking it more then the IO Port so far, apparently much less vibration because the camera mount point is much closer to the pivot point..

[url]http://rivergate5speed.com/vs_camera_mount.html[/url]

As far as cameras, almost all the MiniDV setups are okay, but some of the digital stability systems are better then others. All of them can be dumped onto your PC / Mac and edited with any number of programs then output into Divx, Mpeg, WMV, etc...[/QUOTE]


yep...thats the same thing as [URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8053849665&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT]This One[/URL] I like it...:)...Thanks
AndrewSS 04-15-2006 09:18 PM

if you are using a camcorder look into wide angle lenses, I am going to buy one shortly and I have seen how much better a proper wide angle lense improves the incar footage so much, especially when you have the mount between the 2 front seats (ex. harness bar, etc)

I use a chasecam mount on my harness bar
randy zimmer 04-16-2006 01:12 AM

I use a Panasonic SV-AV50 and a remote lens.
I have a second setup you could buy.
It meets your budget.
See stuff it does at randyzimmer.com
Using the extrafine setting and a 1gig card it runs over 2 hours
I don't use the superfine setting.
I haven't seen many chip cameras with inputs like this one has.
rz
Scooby South 04-16-2006 03:05 PM

cool thanks...I know you veterans out there have something to say...:)

Bill
mav1c 04-17-2006 07:32 AM

[QUOTE=AndrewSS]if you are using a camcorder look into wide angle lenses, I am going to buy one shortly and I have seen how much better a proper wide angle lense improves the incar footage so much, especially when you have the mount between the 2 front seats (ex. harness bar, etc)

I use a chasecam mount on my harness bar[/QUOTE]

I agree on the wide angle lens. I got a cheap "universal" one and it works great.

Something like this: [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/Raynox-QC-707-27-37mm-Insta-Wide-Super-Wide-Angle-Lens_W0QQitemZ7602208561QQcategoryZ29964QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

Here's a little video showing the results. The camera is on the passenger headrest and basically right next to my shoulder, but you can see it shows the ENTIRE front passenger section.

[url]http://www.awdcars.com/videos/Hyperfest_In_Car_Teaser.wmv[/url]
KC 04-17-2006 07:44 AM

[QUOTE=mav1c]Here's a little video showing the results. The camera is on the passenger headrest and basically right next to my shoulder, but you can see it shows the ENTIRE front passenger section.

[url]http://www.awdcars.com/videos/Hyperfest_In_Car_Teaser.wmv[/url][/QUOTE]

Do you have any video as you're moving and recording at speed for more than 1 second at a time? I couldn't tell much from that above video as just as the motion registered to the brain, it was back to a still shot of your interior.
mav1c 04-17-2006 07:50 AM

No, nothing online. I made that video a LONG time ago as a teaser for a DVD I was going to make. Never happened, but I still have all the raw footage. I just wanted to show how wide a shot it was in the interior.
Scooby South 04-17-2006 09:32 AM

Well I ended up with a JVC Mini DV...JVC GR-DF550US it was $280 on Ebay...
Bought the wide angle lens also..looking forward to good Clips...and Evaluation..

[IMG]http://www.camcorderinfo.com/images/upload/JVC%20GR-DF550/JVC-GR-DF550_vanity.jpg[/IMG]

With this mount....Should be good to go...:) As I have a Harness bar..:)

[IMG]http://www.svtek.com/Images_2/vs2_assy_nsvb2.jpg[/IMG]
IBAUCLAPlaya 04-24-2006 03:55 PM

Will that eBay wide angle lens work w/ my JVC GR-DVL915U?

I'm looking at it and don't see how to change lenses and I'm not good w/ cameras at all. Can somebody please help me out?
SLIGHTLY 04-24-2006 04:08 PM

i have my opturia Xi and the speedware camera mount

[img]http://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/images/speedwarecameramount.jpg[/img]
mav1c 10-18-2006 09:29 AM

Resurecting an old thread...

I have 2 cameras I use at the track. My in-car is a little Canon Elura that works well, but it's getting old and starting to show more break-up. The picture is always pretty steady though. I also have a Panasonic 3CCD camera I use to record around the paddock, track shots, etc. I tried the Panasonic in the car and the vibration on the video is horrible. Makes it completely unwatchable. Now, the Canon has the digital anti-vibration, while the Panasonic is optical. I always though the optical was better, but apparently not. Anyone have any other ideas why one would show SO much vibration while the other looks nice and smooth?
jruben4 10-18-2006 10:08 AM

I also noticed my older camera (a JVC) with digital-only image stabilization had much less vibration than my new camera (a Canon) with optical image stabilization. My theory is that the fluid-lens thing is not designed for the high-freq vibration from the car and is making it worse through some sort of harmonic/physics thing. I am using a I/O Port mount.

What I've found is MUCH better is to use the camcorder just as a recording device, and use a external bullet camera mounted to my helmet as the video in. My neck apparently is a very good vibration reducer - no vibration through the helmet cam. I just bought a cheapo bullet camera from fry's for like 30$ and velcro'd it to my helmet.

I've also added some cool audio inputs - the L channel comes from the helmet intercom system and the R comes from a mic in my trunk. Very nice for reviewing instructor comments later!

Check out an example:

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2944271974508714728&q=rubyracing[/url]

This is at putnam park, and the voice is my instructor.
mav1c 10-18-2006 10:16 AM

Yeah, it seems that the optical stabilization can't hand the high levels of vibration in the car.

What input does the bullet camera use into the camera? I want to try to keep things at a digital level and all the bullet cameras I've seen use the lowest quality Composite video. I'd love to see some sort of bullet cam that used the firewire input, or at least the S-Video.

So I'm narrowing down the features I want...

Digital Image stabilization
Jack for an external mic
Small
MiniDV, and maybe a Hard-Drive version, but I wonder if the vibration would prematurely kill the HD.

Thanks for the input.
jruben4 10-18-2006 10:31 AM

I wasn't too worried about video quality, so I was OK with the composite inputs from the cheap bulletcam. I know sony sells bullet cams with higher resolution that would look better.

For the ultimate in image quality, you should check out the new sanyo HD solid-state camcorder:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Sanyo-Announces-$800-First-High-Definition-SD-Recording-Camcorder.htm

They aren't too expensive actually - like 700$ or so. I borrowed my buddies for a race weekend and it acutally worked great right on the I/O mount. Very little vibration, and a beautiful HD picture. The camcorder is pretty weak in low-light, but if it's for track-only use its a great option.
mav1c 10-18-2006 11:38 AM

Yeah, the problem with those little SD cameras is lack of recording time. I'm not bringin my laptop to the track to download the video after every session, and I don't want to have to buy 5 SD cards. I really like the idea of a 30GB HD camera that can record ~7 hours at the highest (DVD) quality. Just seems that none have the options I want.
jruben4 10-18-2006 11:53 AM

Can't you get one of those little portable HDs that will copy from a SD card? I thought canon and a few other people made them for pulling vacation photos off a flash card...
mav1c 10-18-2006 12:43 PM

Yeah, I guess I could get one of those portable HD's, but it's just another thing to carry around and deal with. I figure with the HD camera I could put it in the car, and just turn and record for each session. Wouldn't have to change tapes, or anything. Maybe have to change the battery, but I'd definitely get a high capacity one anyway. Can you tell I really want on the the HD cameras? :)
Easy Rider 10-18-2006 01:49 PM

I have one of these
http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/cache/offonce/pid/2289?livid=80|81&idx=83
and one of these
[url]http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/site/manfrotto/cache/offonce/pid/3197?livid=103&lsf=103&child=6[/url]

Together they make it super easy to place the camera almost anywhere in the car.
javid 10-18-2006 03:26 PM

Not sure if its been mentioned but I love my wide angle clip on lense. IIRC it was ~$20 and is a must for incar video. Every wolf camera or equivalent will carry them. From a mount on a harness bar, you can get the whole track, shifter, steering wheel, and the top of your legs.


example (of me taking a spin at a T&T... twas cold pavement):
[url]http://www.6gunracing.com/videos/2005_12_21_Jacko_Tally.wmv[/url]
jruben4 10-18-2006 03:30 PM

[QUOTE=mav1c;15658805]Yeah, I guess I could get one of those portable HD's, but it's just another thing to carry around and deal with. I figure with the HD camera I could put it in the car, and just turn and record for each session. Wouldn't have to change tapes, or anything. Maybe have to change the battery, but I'd definitely get a high capacity one anyway. Can you tell I really want on the the HD cameras? :)[/QUOTE]


Well, that little sanyo can hold 60+ min of HD video on a big SD card. Thats all I get out of the mini-DV tapes anyway. I end up swapping them (on LP) every two 30-minute sessions - since I have to turn it on before I get the harnesses on, wait in the pits to go out, etc.
wrx2.0 555 10-18-2006 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=mav1c;15657801]Yeah, the problem with those little SD cameras is lack of recording time. I'm not bringin my laptop to the track to download the video after every session, and I don't want to have to buy 5 SD cards. I really like the idea of a 30GB HD camera that can record ~7 hours at the highest (DVD) quality. Just seems that none have the options I want.[/QUOTE]


I have one of the JVC HD cameras and I cant get it to work at an auto-x.
As soon as I launch it cuts off. I've tried duplicating the issue with it in hand and I cannot.
It stays on all the way up until I actually launch. You cant even see the launch itself in the playback. Its like as soon as I offer any input into the car, it shuts off. Its weird and renders the camera useless for in car... :furious:


p.s. You better have about 10 batteries to get 7 hours of recording time. ;)
chimchimm5 10-18-2006 04:24 PM

I found this one that mounts on the headrest. Great for me because I have no roll cage in the car.

[url]http://www.cruisecam.com/mounts.html[/url]

[IMG]http://www.cruisecam.com/mer_mount.jpg[/IMG]

$45

I just ordered it yesterday. I'll let you know how it works when it comes.

Since my 06 WRX doesn't have headrest poles, I was planning to mount it to a rear seat headrest. I'll be using my old miniDV camcorder with it.
AndrewSS 10-18-2006 04:35 PM

Here is the mount I use, I like it because the perspective is great for getting footage of what the driver does AND out the windshield. Also its bolted to the chassis so its a hardmount that will pass tech everywhere.

[img]http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6091/mountseatcameraonqh0.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1873/mountseaton1xw4.jpg[/img]

PM me if you want more info for this mount...

-Andrew
AndrewSS 10-18-2006 04:40 PM

Oh, and for my camcorder, I use the Canon Elura 100 ( [url]http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Elura-100-MiniDV-Camcorder/dp/B000DZH4D8[/url] )

Its great, I have no complaints, it has jacks for the external mic AND for external cameras (so you can hook up a bullet cam to it!) it shoots on mini-DV which works quite well IMO - never really any problems with it.

I also bought the canon wide angle lense with it - its really great :)

Here is a run of my codriver driving my car with my mount AND canon shooting - note how WIDE it is: [url]http://media.putfile.com/rob-incar-subieautox[/url] (note, in putfile there is an option to toggle the view sizes, so that will proportion it out to the way its shot in 16:9 ratio, not squeezed)

Here is a run of a friend using my mount with my camera, but we zoomed in to what I think is a good point so you can see the outside a bit better:
[url]http://media.putfile.com/hectors-incar-subieautox[/url] (it appears that he didnt tighten the camera down enough... it seemed to shift/bump a bit more than the 1st run up there in my car with the codriver...)

-Andrew
WgnWheel 10-18-2006 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=chimchimm5;15662263]I found this one that mounts on the headrest. Great for me because I have no roll cage in the car.

[url]http://www.cruisecam.com/mounts.html[/url]

[IMG]http://www.cruisecam.com/mer_mount.jpg[/IMG]

$45

I just ordered it yesterday. I'll let you know how it works when it comes.

Since my 06 WRX doesn't have headrest poles, I was planning to mount it to a rear seat headrest. I'll be using my old miniDV camcorder with it.[/QUOTE]

I have that mount, on the rear seat of my wagon...works very well. I now use the i/o port mount, on the harness bar. I also have the panasonic 3ccd camera, and am very unhappy with the vibration.
Mykl 10-18-2006 06:16 PM

I understand that this is an "in car" camera thread, but I found this, and while expensive... looks pretty slick.

[url]http://www.pfyc.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=GN2022&Category_Code=VTOTHER&AFFIL=froogle[/url]
pornie 10-31-2006 09:57 PM

[QUOTE=jruben4;15656523]I also noticed my older camera (a JVC) with digital-only image stabilization
[i]*edited*[/i]

Check out an example:

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2944271974508714728&q=rubyracing[/url]

This is at putnam park, and the voice is my instructor.[/QUOTE]

"whenever i tell you something, i'm always right"

man that instructor cracked me up.


any recommendations on a camera? something like [url=http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/JVC-Everio-G-Camcorder-GZ-MG21US/sem/rpsm/oid/145408/catOid/-13063/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do]this?[/url]
Robin2 10-31-2006 11:12 PM

I use an archos pvr and a bullet camera.... it's great... cause the pvr is 30 gigs.. i recorded my last drivex tsd rally (300+ kms and overnight event) and never had a prob....

I always use it for track and also for my solo2 events.
ratt_finkel 11-01-2006 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=porn;15822360]"whenever i tell you something, i'm always right"

man that instructor cracked me up.


any recommendations on a camera? something like [url=http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/JVC-Everio-G-Camcorder-GZ-MG21US/sem/rpsm/oid/145408/catOid/-13063/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do]this?[/url][/QUOTE]

haha, he was pretty funny. Though I couldn't put up with someone barking orders like that at me.
ToddStratton 11-01-2006 01:15 PM

I use a bullet cam wedged in the visor and it works surprisingly well. My old Hi8 camcorder is starting to go, though, so I'm looking at the Sony DCR-SR100. Analog inputs (for bullet cam) and 30 GB HDD, with a good overall review at camcorderinfo.com.

Todd
misterau 11-01-2006 04:06 PM

I removed the passengerside "A" plastic bezel. Drill two holes and installed two crush sleeves inside the pillar. I bent a piece of metal into an "L" shape and bolted into the pillar. When im done race for the day, i unbolt it off the "A" pillar and put my plastic bezel back on.
pornie 11-02-2006 08:54 PM

[QUOTE=ToddStratton;15828979]I use a bullet cam wedged in the visor and it works surprisingly well. My old Hi8 camcorder is starting to go, though, so I'm looking at the Sony DCR-SR100. Analog inputs (for bullet cam) and 30 GB HDD, with a good overall review at camcorderinfo.com.

Todd[/QUOTE]

yea, im not looking to drop $1k on a camera for strictly track day usage ;) . I am looking more around ~$400-$500.

i think for now i am just going to try out the crappy vid on my A530. :lol:

thanks to all for the input though!
racekar 11-03-2006 09:47 AM

crusi cam
[QUOTE=WgnWheel;15663910]I have that mount, on the rear seat of my wagon...works very well. I now use the i/o port mount, on the harness bar. I also have the panasonic 3ccd camera, and am very unhappy with the vibration.[/QUOTE]

i use this one also
it works
JamesWilson 11-03-2006 10:11 AM

Man, I am gone for a few days and miss all the action.....

Our new PDR100 is a broadcast and production-quality MPEG2 (full screen 720x480) solid state digital recorder with onboard audio, at 30 frames per second. The unit weighs under 14oz with batteries, and can be run by hard-wired 12v DC or a cig ligher adapter, and records directly onto a compact flash card in MPG format. The device powers our bullet camera that is 520-line and a high enough LUX to not white-out in high light situations. We have at least 25 teams using our systems at the Baja 1000, we have set up many Rally America teams, hundreds of autocrossers and track day guys have been using our recorders and mounts for years. If the video quality and durability is good enough for use by SPEED Channel, the BBC, and two top Formula One teams, then it should be okay for the rest of us :-)

We are at SEMA right now (last day, hurray!). The device retails for under $500, and completely BLOWS AWAY those cheapo 460x280 MPEG4 recorders in terms of durability and definitely video quality (I know, we used to sell them before we engineered our own!).

Check out [url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url] for our PDR100 solid state recorder and our huge lineup of suction and clamp mounts. Our triple suction cup mount can hold up to 75lbs of dead weight, and can handle a bullet camera or a small comcorder....we have larger mounts for bigger camcorders as well, tested to 200mph.

Thanks!

-James Wilson
ChaseCam.com
'98 Impreza H-Stock Solo/ProSolo
mikehoyer 11-07-2006 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555;15661523]I have one of the JVC HD cameras and I cant get it to work at an auto-x.
As soon as I launch it cuts off. I've tried duplicating the issue with it in hand and I cannot.
It stays on all the way up until I actually launch. You cant even see the launch itself in the playback. Its like as soon as I offer any input into the car, it shuts off. Its weird and renders the camera useless for in car... :furious:[/QUOTE]

Does the camera have a hard drive? The hard drive is protected by a shutdown feature that turns off the drive if it senses rapid acceleration--that is, dropping the camera.
mav1c 11-07-2006 02:00 PM

[QUOTE=mikehoyer;15901128]Does the camera have a hard drive? The hard drive is protected by a shutdown feature that turns off the drive if it senses rapid acceleration--that is, dropping the camera.[/QUOTE]

That's good to know. I guess I'll be avoiding the HDD cameras for incar. :(
mav1c 11-07-2006 02:01 PM

[QUOTE=JamesWilson;15854456]Man, I am gone for a few days and miss all the action.....

Our new PDR100 is a broadcast and production-quality MPEG2 (full screen 720x480) solid state digital recorder with onboard audio, at 30 frames per second. The unit weighs under 14oz with batteries, and can be run by hard-wired 12v DC or a cig ligher adapter, and records directly onto a compact flash card in MPG format. The device powers our bullet camera that is 520-line and a high enough LUX to not white-out in high light situations. We have at least 25 teams using our systems at the Baja 1000, we have set up many Rally America teams, hundreds of autocrossers and track day guys have been using our recorders and mounts for years. If the video quality and durability is good enough for use by SPEED Channel, the BBC, and two top Formula One teams, then it should be okay for the rest of us :-)

We are at SEMA right now (last day, hurray!). The device retails for under $500, and completely BLOWS AWAY those cheapo 460x280 MPEG4 recorders in terms of durability and definitely video quality (I know, we used to sell them before we engineered our own!).

Check out [url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url] for our PDR100 solid state recorder and our huge lineup of suction and clamp mounts. Our triple suction cup mount can hold up to 75lbs of dead weight, and can handle a bullet camera or a small comcorder....we have larger mounts for bigger camcorders as well, tested to 200mph.

Thanks!

-James Wilson
ChaseCam.com
'98 Impreza H-Stock Solo/ProSolo[/QUOTE]

What I don't like about this is the limited space on Compact Flash cards. You'd need multiple cards to record every session, or download them between each session, which I don't want to do.
JamesWilson 11-07-2006 06:58 PM

[quote=mav1c;15901327]What I don't like about this is the limited space on Compact Flash cards. You'd need multiple cards to record every session, or download them between each session, which I don't want to do.[/quote]


Weeeeellll, CF seems to be the best recording media at this time for higher-quality, higher-resolution digital video AND still not have issues with vibration or damage. An SD card is nice, but too small and not fast enough to record 8.0 megabits per second at 740x480 NTSC. The PVR's were okay (small and cheap), but the resolution is just not up to par.

FWIW, a lot of our guys are running cheap-o 2gig and 4gig cards. Those will hold about 34 minutes of high quality video AND on-board audio (at full-screen 740x480) [B]per gig[/B]. That is an hour or two ready to go, and available at most electronic stores. A lot of guys also run the 8gig cards....that's [B]4 hours of video and audio[/B] at twice the video resolution of a PVR/PAV MPEG4 recorder! All of our Baja 1000 teams are running 8gig cards, and will change them at fuel stops or driver's changes.

How long are your sessions? Most trackday sessions are only 20-25min each.....6 sessions per day is only one 2gig card, those are stupid-cheap. A 4gig card will do an entire weekend without downloading. You can also playback the MPEG files directly off of the PDR100 without downloading them, as well as delete files again without needing a computer/laptop.

We designed these units to meet the needs of both the weekend autocrosser and professional road racer. In 4 weeks, a free software download will allow the PDR100 to interface and overlay with data aquisition systems without doing any type of post-production or file synching at home. As we continue to develop new product features and upgrades, these will be made available for free on our web site.

[url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url]

EDIT-- a little research puts 14gig and 16gig CF cards available now...that's 7-8 hours of video. Still not enough? :)

-JW
'98 Impreza, H-Stock
jweiss 11-07-2006 09:17 PM

I'm using this mounted on a I/O Port mount in my 911:

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-MPVR-MPEG4-Digital-Camcorder/dp/B000AV14J0"]Aiptek MPVR[/URL]

640x480x30 fps, records to 2 GB SD cards. Works quite well, especially given the price. My only complaint is wind noise at high speed. I taped over the microphone and that helped quite a bit.

Next year I may try a remote microphone since the recorder has inputs for both a separate camera (i.e. bullet cam) and microphone.
mav1c 11-08-2006 05:51 PM

[QUOTE=JamesWilson;15905883]Weeeeellll, CF seems to be the best recording media at this time for higher-quality, higher-resolution digital video AND still not have issues with vibration or damage. An SD card is nice, but too small and not fast enough to record 8.0 megabits per second at 740x480 NTSC. The PVR's were okay (small and cheap), but the resolution is just not up to par.

FWIW, a lot of our guys are running cheap-o 2gig and 4gig cards. Those will hold about 34 minutes of high quality video AND on-board audio (at full-screen 740x480) [B]per gig[/B]. That is an hour or two ready to go, and available at most electronic stores. A lot of guys also run the 8gig cards....that's [B]4 hours of video and audio[/B] at twice the video resolution of a PVR/PAV MPEG4 recorder! All of our Baja 1000 teams are running 8gig cards, and will change them at fuel stops or driver's changes.

How long are your sessions? Most trackday sessions are only 20-25min each.....6 sessions per day is only one 2gig card, those are stupid-cheap. A 4gig card will do an entire weekend without downloading. You can also playback the MPEG files directly off of the PDR100 without downloading them, as well as delete files again without needing a computer/laptop.

We designed these units to meet the needs of both the weekend autocrosser and professional road racer. In 4 weeks, a free software download will allow the PDR100 to interface and overlay with data aquisition systems without doing any type of post-production or file synching at home. As we continue to develop new product features and upgrades, these will be made available for free on our web site.

[url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url]

EDIT-- a little research puts 14gig and 16gig CF cards available now...that's 7-8 hours of video. Still not enough? :)

-JW
'98 Impreza, H-Stock[/QUOTE]

Once you put it like that, it sounds a lot more appealling.

So, could I run 2 bullet cams, the PIP, and the recorder, all off of one cigarette lighter connection?

:)

Thanks
digitalseance 11-08-2006 06:03 PM

[url]http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n230/digitalseance/car3.jpg[/url]

It's kind of hard to see but I use a Sony handycam (I think, it's pretty old) that uses DVI on high 8 tapes. When it was purchased (about 4 years ago) with all the accessories, it came up to just under $1,000. The mount is one that I picked up from a local photography store as it was the best thing I could get with a short time frame. It ran me $75 but it was well worth it. The camera doesn't move around on it at all and it stays bolted to the aluminum rod very well.
JamesWilson 11-08-2006 06:17 PM

[quote=mav1c;15919142]Once you put it like that, it sounds a lot more appealling.

So, could I run 2 bullet cams, the PIP, and the recorder, all off of one cigarette lighter connection?

:)

Thanks[/quote]

YES! It's that easy.....there would be only ONE wire coming from each bullet camera (video + power together in one weathertight connector) into the SS1000 Split Screen Processor, and ONE wire from that unit into the PDR100 solid-state recorder. No external mic required (dual mono interior mics = no wind noise), no external power packs for each camera, etc.

Check out the latest issue of Grassroots Motorsports, pages 70 and 124...December '06.

-James W
[url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url]
SWortham 11-08-2006 06:24 PM

I use the mount AndrewSS sells.

And I'm using my Sony HC96 Handycam. It's a little bit overkill for an in-car camera though. A lightweight digital camera w/ video capabilities would be better in some ways. For one, MiniDV or any tape-based video camera can rattle.

Anyway, here's a short video clip I made from my setup...
[url]http://www.gldomain.com/STI/RallyRoad/Highway-AndrewSSMountTest.wmv[/url] (2.3 MB, right-click > Save Target As...)
MaxSTi05 11-08-2006 07:26 PM

[QUOTE=mav1c;15656631]Yeah, it seems that the optical stabilization can't hand the high levels of vibration in the car.

What input does the bullet camera use into the camera? I want to try to keep things at a digital level and all the bullet cameras I've seen use the lowest quality Composite video. I'd love to see some sort of bullet cam that used the firewire input, or at least the S-Video.

So I'm narrowing down the features I want...

Digital Image stabilization
Jack for an external mic
Small
MiniDV, and maybe a Hard-Drive version, but I wonder if the vibration would prematurely kill the HD.

Thanks for the input.[/QUOTE]

Anyone else using a digital-only image stabilization camcorder (what brand/model?) AND actual video clips? Wide angle lens samples also?
I may step up to a bullet cam later but have the svtek cam mount already.
JamesWilson 11-09-2006 12:34 AM

The nice thing about the ChaseCam PDR100 solid-state recorder is that there is no need for image stabilization.....with no moving parts in either the bullet cam or the recorder, the video is as rock-solid as the mounts (which we have also designed to work with other camcorders).

SWortham- the problem with digital cameras is just plain poor quality with MPEG4 format. You end up sacrificing way too much, especially if you want to overlay data acquisition on your video, or compress the files for sharing on YouTube/GoogleVideo/etc.

Max-- Are you going to be at the San Diego Region autocross this weekend? If you would like, you can "borrow" a ChaseCam bullet camera system for use with your camcorder, or try out the new PDR100. I will have a new version in use at the PCA event on Friday at Qualcomm, and then again on Sunday for the SCCA event. Let me know so I can plan for it. Then you can tell us all what you think :)

-James W
[url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url]
'98 Impreza, H-Stock
JamesWilson 11-11-2006 02:10 PM

This month's issue of AutoCar magazine from the UK features our ChaseCam PDR100 and our 520-line bullet camera on the new Porsche Le Mans RS Spyder. Watch the whole video!!

[URL="http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=223023"]http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=223023[/URL]

[IMG]http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsche/Concepts/101166545421.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.autocar.co.uk/Car/Porsche/Concepts/10116653231.jpg[/IMG]

-James Wilson
[url]www.ChaseCam.com[/url]
BlueSTI4Me 11-11-2006 08:07 PM

Chasecam Bulletcam with a Canon Elura 70.

2 Minutes at Grattan Raceway in a friends STi:

[URL="http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y287/dousolo2/?action=view&current=brianatgrattan72706.flv"]http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y287/dousolo2/?action=view&current=brianatgrattan72706.flv[/URL]
mikehoyer 11-11-2006 08:48 PM

which chasecam? That's a really clear picture. There was a little bit too much wind noise, but I liked how the mic was picking up your shifts.
BlueSTI4Me 11-11-2006 09:05 PM

[QUOTE=mikehoyer;15955834]which chasecam? That's a really clear picture. There was a little bit too much wind noise, but I liked how the mic was picking up your shifts.[/QUOTE]

520 resolution camera....Wasn't my car....I was the passenger and the mic was stuck between the I/P and the door panel. Not where I normally mount the mic. Friend wanted some footage of him driving.....swapped the setup in our last session that day. Power cable disconnected from the camera, that was the reason for starting and ending abruptly.

Good setup, but my Canon camera now has a glitch from too much vibration...will have to get that fixed...otherwise love the setup!
JamesWilson 11-11-2006 10:47 PM

[quote=BlueSTI4Me;15955999]520 resolution camera....Wasn't my car....I was the passenger and the mic was stuck between the I/P and the door panel. Not where I normally mount the mic. Friend wanted some footage of him driving.....swapped the setup in our last session that day. Power cable disconnected from the camera, that was the reason for starting and ending abruptly.

Good setup, but my Canon camera now has a glitch from too much vibration...will have to get that fixed...otherwise love the setup![/quote]


Yeah, that's the tough part about using the bullet cameras with a camcorder, you still have to supply external power to the camera itself. The PDR100 not only takes the vibration (no moving parts), but powers the camera within the miniDIN connector cable (which locks in pretty tight).

I got to drive a Noble M400 yesterday....the camera got a tad hot after 6 laps, shouldn't have placed it in the path of the radiator exit :)

[IMG]http://www.pcasdr.org/img/2006/photos/2006NovAutoX10/DSC05786.JPG[/IMG]
BlueSTI4Me 11-12-2006 12:00 PM

[QUOTE=JamesWilson;15956854]Yeah, that's the tough part about using the bullet cameras with a camcorder, you still have to supply external power to the camera itself. The PDR100 not only takes the vibration (no moving parts), but powers the camera within the miniDIN connector cable (which locks in pretty tight).

I got to drive a Noble M400 yesterday....the camera got a tad hot after 6 laps, shouldn't have placed it in the path of the radiator exit :)

[IMG]http://www.pcasdr.org/img/2006/photos/2006NovAutoX10/DSC05786.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Yeah, the PDR100 is on my wish list. It's like do I spend money to get the Canon fixed or put it towards the PDR....I'll decide in a couple of months as this is the off-season.

And did I say I H*te you!;) A Noble you got to drive! One showed up at an autocross this summer and sat in the parking lot for all to see. Quite a piece...wish I could drive one.

DB
mikehoyer 11-19-2006 11:32 PM

I have a 2006 WRX with the fixed integrated head restraints. Are there camera mounts to attach a camera to the passenger seat?
JamesWilson 11-20-2006 12:17 AM

[quote=mikehoyer;16049827]I have a 2006 WRX with the fixed integrated head restraints. Are there camera mounts to attach a camera to the passenger seat?[/quote]

We sold the CruiseCam headrest mounts a few years back. Biggest drawback is too much movement on the seat, especially when using larger camcorders....yeah there will always be those that say "no, it's fine!", but there are certainly better options out there.

The ChaseCam SM30 triple suction cup mount can be placed on the rear window facing forward, or on the passenger rear/side window and aimed back at the driver or through the windshield. I did my last autocross with this shot, I will have Randy move the full-size video (as taken from the ChaseCam PDR100 and 520-line bullet camera) into a public directory on our server. The same mount can be placed anywhere inside or outside the car, on any clean flat surface, glass or metal, for more interesting and professional video. The mount is designed to accept either a bullet camera, camcorder, or digital camera.

SM30 with cradle for extra stability, holds to 75lbs dead weight--

[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/pics/mount/cradle/cc10-sm30.jpg[/IMG]

SM31 with multi-articulating arm / angled extension, tested to 200mph+ and 75lbs dead weight:
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/mounts/wm-side-sm.jpg[/IMG]

SM40 for larger camcorders, tested to 175mph+ on the 'Ring.
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/mount/P1010002.JPG[/IMG]

The idea behind the suction mounts is to [B]not [/B]be limited to the standard shot just behind the driver.

With tethers, these are also approved for most SCCA and NASA regional and National events...Scotty White in his T1 Vipers used to run the SM30 outside his car, until the trailers got broken into this past year...now he solid-mounts the Cradles under his side-view mirrors! Again, not limited to a seat mount.

We are updating our web site over the next week, hopefully you can see some of our work in action and get some good ideas!!


ChaseCam PDR100 solid-state video recorder, on-board audio, powers bullet camera = no extra wires, batteries, mics, etc.
[IMG]http://www.chasecam.com/recorders/pdr100-conn-tn.jpg[/IMG]

-JW
'98 Impreza L, H-Stock
JamesWilson 11-20-2006 01:24 PM

Check out the latest issue of SportsCar magazine (Dec '06), page 18 and page 104.
mikehoyer 11-20-2006 02:33 PM

[IMG]http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/8998/my06interioruq8.jpg[/IMG]

I [B]am[/B] looking for the standard behind the driver shot with a wide angle lense. Unfortunately I don't think anything's made to mount a camcorder to this kind of seat. Do suction cups work on leather? :lol:

I just picked up a JVC GR-DVL505U camcorder from ebay for $99.99 plus $12.99 for a 2 year warranty. This is going to be a "budget" setup. No chasecam for me. :(

I'll probably get the suction cups, or the rear deck mount AndrewSS sells. My other option is to see if the camera fits in that hole in the seat and strap it in with some load straps.

Update: I just had an idea. I think I'm going to mount the camcorder to the underside of the sunroof.
Draken 11-20-2006 02:47 PM

I use a very cheap ghetto setup. I got a Target gift card for my birfday, and purchased a cheap digital video camera that was on sale for $79. I forget the specs, but tt uses the little flash cards for memory, so I also found a 2g card on sale for $39. I had zero out of pocket.

I have a little too much wind noise on the straights, but I'm happy with the end result. Just a fun way for me to review my laps. Here is a quick lap from Saturday at Thunderhill. It was in the early 8am session, so there is some sun glare through turn 1. I also plan on positioning the camera a little higher.

[url]http://www.subrew.com//tmp/Thunderhil.WMV[/url]

Obviously I wish i had top of the line gear, but for now, this works for me.

Chris H.

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