| del105 | 12-01-2004 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=ringthree]Selective quoting, thats great for constructive dialogue. Perhaps you can go back and respond to the reasoning behind my statements rather than just cutting them out.
I suppose you are allowed to have whatever assumptions you want about the WDCR. So far I have heard they are egotistical, "region-squeltching" synchophants. These are wonderful assumptions, as they are logical and completely based in reality. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Aren't you also making assumptions since you have no idea why they did it? :rolleyes:
I suppose you are allowed to have whatever assumptions you want about the WDCR. So far I have heard they are egotistical, "region-squeltching" synchophants. These are wonderful assumptions, as they are logical and completely based in reality. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Aren't you also making assumptions since you have no idea why they did it? :rolleyes:
| CamaroFS34 | 12-01-2004 06:06 PM |
Oh, ringthree, sorry for my "lack of contemporary context." :rolleyes: I think you need to get off your high horse, and understand that I could care less if there is a Tour at FedEx Field. I just want you to come to the realization that not everyone "likes" the DC region, nor their way of doing things, and that we just [i]may[/i] have very valid reasons for doing so. It's attitudes like your "like it or leave it" that make the DC region so infamous for their primadonna behaviors. I know plenty of people on the DC Region Solo Board, and I am also a member of Autocrossers, Inc. You might remember us -- we hosted the DC ProSolo last year at the behest of DC Region, who "couldn't be bothered to host the Pro, but, oh, [i]sigh[/i] National wants us to do both a Pro and a Tour." :rolleyes: You say we don't have "all of the information" on why DC doesn't want to do a Tour. I say that some of us are more in the know than you could fathom.
It's interesting that DC feels the "negatives of hosting a Tour" will be outweighed by the alleged East Coast Championship -- again, I ask, what other regions have been approached regarding this? -- when they have never done such an undertaking before? I'm guessing they will simply bill their existing series as an East Coast Championship, a mini-divisional series, as it were. A multitude of DC participants refuse to travel more than 60 minutes to an event -- and if you don't believe me, you can simply look at the archives of the yahoo group and see what's said any time alternate sites are brought up.
The topic of hosting a DC ProSolo or DC Tour was supposed to be brought up at last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting, since we already knew that the DC region wouldn't be hosting it. Of course, this was on the agenda before this tentative schedule was released. I, unfortunately, had to miss the meeting due to work, but I will be filled in on the details tonight. I will let you guys know what I learn, since I can guarantee most of our members are "in the know" regarding the intricacies of National level event scheduling.
Karen
It's interesting that DC feels the "negatives of hosting a Tour" will be outweighed by the alleged East Coast Championship -- again, I ask, what other regions have been approached regarding this? -- when they have never done such an undertaking before? I'm guessing they will simply bill their existing series as an East Coast Championship, a mini-divisional series, as it were. A multitude of DC participants refuse to travel more than 60 minutes to an event -- and if you don't believe me, you can simply look at the archives of the yahoo group and see what's said any time alternate sites are brought up.
The topic of hosting a DC ProSolo or DC Tour was supposed to be brought up at last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting, since we already knew that the DC region wouldn't be hosting it. Of course, this was on the agenda before this tentative schedule was released. I, unfortunately, had to miss the meeting due to work, but I will be filled in on the details tonight. I will let you guys know what I learn, since I can guarantee most of our members are "in the know" regarding the intricacies of National level event scheduling.
Karen
| Scoobie Doogie | 12-01-2004 09:34 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Well, the problem with Hershey, as I understand it, is the requirement to be off the site by 5:00PM. It's a great site, yes, but to get around that time constraint would probably require more $$$, and it's the cost of the lot that is part of the reason FedEx is off the schedule (that, and the elitists of the DC region feel that they can do a better job of running their own "championship series" -- any other East Coast regions been contacted regarding that?).
I wouldn't be surprised if the DC region also tries to squelch Philly and Susquehanna events at Ripken (which, technically is in their territory, and according to a ruling last year, means they can prevent other regions from getting an SCCA sanction to run there). They've already expressed some displeasure at the fact that Autocrossers Inc. (a Susquehanna club) has scheduled dates at Ripken with no consideration given to the DC region schedule.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Me thinks that we could get Hershey to work around the 5pm thing. I don't believe that anyone has ever asked them to extend the time. I also think we could do a 2 day event there too. I know how much the lot rent is off season and it is very reasonable. The costs will most likely go up for 2 consecutive days and an overnight allowance. I'll talk to Henry Brillinger about it and see if I can get him to be a little more agressive.
I can kind of understand the reason WDC might be irked by AI's scheduling of an event on the same dates. I think if someone called them ( I don't know if anyone did or did not) and said we are going to schedule the dates to catch overflow from WDC's event they "might" have been a little more amicable. (I don't know anyone from WDC so I cannot say.) This is just an observation and in no way a criticism. I like all my AI friends a whole bunch :) . I know AI's intentions are good. I believe that a conversation with the national office would be a good idea. Steve Johnson must know what a mess this can become. We just want to have fun, no more, no less. WDC fills up quickly and there are no other good alternatives for people who want to autocross on that weekend. I think having Ripken availalbe is great.
As for the Tour situation; the big lot belongs to WDCR. It is theirs to do with as they please in the context of running events. It would be cool if they let a group of people from other regions run the tour for them. Obviously they don't want to go through the hassle of a national tour. There are certainly plenty of volunteers from other regions to help, I would.
I have heard nothing about an East Coast Championship. Maybe they were planning on getting the word out later on?
Dave M.
ITR-DS
I wouldn't be surprised if the DC region also tries to squelch Philly and Susquehanna events at Ripken (which, technically is in their territory, and according to a ruling last year, means they can prevent other regions from getting an SCCA sanction to run there). They've already expressed some displeasure at the fact that Autocrossers Inc. (a Susquehanna club) has scheduled dates at Ripken with no consideration given to the DC region schedule.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Me thinks that we could get Hershey to work around the 5pm thing. I don't believe that anyone has ever asked them to extend the time. I also think we could do a 2 day event there too. I know how much the lot rent is off season and it is very reasonable. The costs will most likely go up for 2 consecutive days and an overnight allowance. I'll talk to Henry Brillinger about it and see if I can get him to be a little more agressive.
I can kind of understand the reason WDC might be irked by AI's scheduling of an event on the same dates. I think if someone called them ( I don't know if anyone did or did not) and said we are going to schedule the dates to catch overflow from WDC's event they "might" have been a little more amicable. (I don't know anyone from WDC so I cannot say.) This is just an observation and in no way a criticism. I like all my AI friends a whole bunch :) . I know AI's intentions are good. I believe that a conversation with the national office would be a good idea. Steve Johnson must know what a mess this can become. We just want to have fun, no more, no less. WDC fills up quickly and there are no other good alternatives for people who want to autocross on that weekend. I think having Ripken availalbe is great.
As for the Tour situation; the big lot belongs to WDCR. It is theirs to do with as they please in the context of running events. It would be cool if they let a group of people from other regions run the tour for them. Obviously they don't want to go through the hassle of a national tour. There are certainly plenty of volunteers from other regions to help, I would.
I have heard nothing about an East Coast Championship. Maybe they were planning on getting the word out later on?
Dave M.
ITR-DS
| CamaroFS34 | 12-01-2004 10:22 PM |
From last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting :
A DC ProSolo is definitely a no-go. There are serious cutbacks in the ProSolo budget, and like KC said in the original post, there will be no additional dates for ProSolo.
AI is trying to work out something for a DC Tour, at FedEx if DC Region will let us use one of their FedEx Field dates that fits in with National's schedule. If not, then we'll look at Ripken.
Karen
A DC ProSolo is definitely a no-go. There are serious cutbacks in the ProSolo budget, and like KC said in the original post, there will be no additional dates for ProSolo.
AI is trying to work out something for a DC Tour, at FedEx if DC Region will let us use one of their FedEx Field dates that fits in with National's schedule. If not, then we'll look at Ripken.
Karen
| Butt Dyno | 12-01-2004 10:57 PM |
For those following along, a matching thread on sccaforums:
[url]http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/15/790[/url]
[url]http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/15/790[/url]
| Corey | 12-02-2004 08:12 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]From last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting :
we'll look at Ripken.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Eh? I don't see how that could work... Especially considering the turnout for the NE Tour last year. We'd have to paddock down on I-95
:lol:
Corey #89 STS
we'll look at Ripken.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Eh? I don't see how that could work... Especially considering the turnout for the NE Tour last year. We'd have to paddock down on I-95
:lol:
Corey #89 STS
| ringthree | 12-02-2004 09:31 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Oh, ringthree, sorry for my "lack of contemporary context." :rolleyes: I think you need to get off your high horse, and understand that I could care less if there is a Tour at FedEx Field. I just want you to come to the realization that not everyone "likes" the DC region, nor their way of doing things, and that we just [i]may[/i] have very valid reasons for doing so. It's attitudes like your "like it or leave it" that make the DC region so infamous for their primadonna behaviors. I know plenty of people on the DC Region Solo Board, and I am also a member of Autocrossers, Inc. You might remember us -- we hosted the DC ProSolo last year at the behest of DC Region, who "couldn't be bothered to host the Pro, but, oh, [i]sigh[/i] National wants us to do both a Pro and a Tour." :rolleyes: You say we don't have "all of the information" on why DC doesn't want to do a Tour. I say that some of us are more in the know than you could fathom.
It's interesting that DC feels the "negatives of hosting a Tour" will be outweighed by the alleged East Coast Championship -- again, I ask, what other regions have been approached regarding this? -- when they have never done such an undertaking before? I'm guessing they will simply bill their existing series as an East Coast Championship, a mini-divisional series, as it were. A multitude of DC participants refuse to travel more than 60 minutes to an event -- and if you don't believe me, you can simply look at the archives of the yahoo group and see what's said any time alternate sites are brought up.
The topic of hosting a DC ProSolo or DC Tour was supposed to be brought up at last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting, since we already knew that the DC region wouldn't be hosting it. Of course, this was on the agenda before this tentative schedule was released. I, unfortunately, had to miss the meeting due to work, but I will be filled in on the details tonight. I will let you guys know what I learn, since I can guarantee most of our members are "in the know" regarding the intricacies of National level event scheduling.
Karen[/QUOTE]
So, your argument is that you dont like the WDCR. Fair enough. Your attitude speaks to this pretty clearly. You have no intentions of listening, so there is no need to continue. Keep your assumptions, they seem to make you happy.
Karen, I also find that your attitude difference from here and SCCAForums to be quite disturbing. Do you not feel you can call out the Garfield's and their synchophants in a place they could actually see it?
It's interesting that DC feels the "negatives of hosting a Tour" will be outweighed by the alleged East Coast Championship -- again, I ask, what other regions have been approached regarding this? -- when they have never done such an undertaking before? I'm guessing they will simply bill their existing series as an East Coast Championship, a mini-divisional series, as it were. A multitude of DC participants refuse to travel more than 60 minutes to an event -- and if you don't believe me, you can simply look at the archives of the yahoo group and see what's said any time alternate sites are brought up.
The topic of hosting a DC ProSolo or DC Tour was supposed to be brought up at last night's Autocrossers, Inc. meeting, since we already knew that the DC region wouldn't be hosting it. Of course, this was on the agenda before this tentative schedule was released. I, unfortunately, had to miss the meeting due to work, but I will be filled in on the details tonight. I will let you guys know what I learn, since I can guarantee most of our members are "in the know" regarding the intricacies of National level event scheduling.
Karen[/QUOTE]
So, your argument is that you dont like the WDCR. Fair enough. Your attitude speaks to this pretty clearly. You have no intentions of listening, so there is no need to continue. Keep your assumptions, they seem to make you happy.
Karen, I also find that your attitude difference from here and SCCAForums to be quite disturbing. Do you not feel you can call out the Garfield's and their synchophants in a place they could actually see it?
| ringthree | 12-02-2004 09:33 AM |
[QUOTE=del105]Aren't you also making assumptions since you have no idea why they did it? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Assumptions? I dont know, I call it the innocent until proven guilty route. But hey, it seems like reverse is the majority opinion.
Assumptions? I dont know, I call it the innocent until proven guilty route. But hey, it seems like reverse is the majority opinion.
| KC | 12-02-2004 09:33 AM |
[QUOTE=ringthree]So, your argument is that you dont like the WDCR. Fair enough. Your attitude speaks to this pretty clearly. You have no intentions of listening, so there is no need to continue. Keep your assumptions, they seem to make you happy.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Dude... just wow. :huh:
What a way to win friends and influence people.
Can you for just one second STOP with the freaking personal attacks?
Wow. Dude... just wow. :huh:
What a way to win friends and influence people.
Can you for just one second STOP with the freaking personal attacks?
| ringthree | 12-02-2004 09:42 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Wow. Dude... just wow. :huh:
What a way to win friends and influence people.
Can you for just one second STOP with the freaking personal attacks?[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, I think you need to go back and read just how offensive Karen's posts have been. I haven't even said anything personal besides the fact that she can have her attitude if she wants, I just dont want to listen to it anymore.
But then again, I am just a synchophant, right?
What a way to win friends and influence people.
Can you for just one second STOP with the freaking personal attacks?[/QUOTE]
Excuse me, I think you need to go back and read just how offensive Karen's posts have been. I haven't even said anything personal besides the fact that she can have her attitude if she wants, I just dont want to listen to it anymore.
But then again, I am just a synchophant, right?
| DrBiggly | 12-02-2004 12:41 PM |
You know what, this crap has got to stop. This thread went from a good discussion of the '05 schedule and some complaints to personal attacks faster than the SRT-4.
ringthree:
You don't have to worry about your council members or Jim; I'm sure that they can handle themselves and do not need you to defend them or their decisions. Stop the defensiveness on their behalf; they can handle themselves. If they want to come in and argue, point them to this thread. :)
Either you folks should take this to PMs since that's what they are there for or a mod should close this thread.
ringthree:
You don't have to worry about your council members or Jim; I'm sure that they can handle themselves and do not need you to defend them or their decisions. Stop the defensiveness on their behalf; they can handle themselves. If they want to come in and argue, point them to this thread. :)
Either you folks should take this to PMs since that's what they are there for or a mod should close this thread.
| CamaroFS34 | 12-02-2004 12:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Corey]Eh? I don't see how that could work... Especially considering the turnout for the NE Tour last year. We'd have to paddock down on I-95
:lol: [/QUOTE]
And that would be different from the traffic jams we see there every time we have an event? ;)
If Ripken was the option, I'm not sure what the entry cap would be, but I guess it's pretty obvious it would have to be lower. :( How many ended up at FedEx this past year? Almost 400? That was too many.... I was in heat [i]6[/i], and on Saturday, I didn't finish my runs until 8PM. I was blinded by the setting sun as I went through the finish lights! Granted, the timer issues didn't help...
I know the idea was to try for a Maryland Tour date around the "usual time of year," and the tentative schedule has Wendover on May 21st-22nd, and Toledo as June 11th-12th. The plan seems to try to get a date either Memorial Day weekend or the first weekend in June (like last year). Our next AI meeting is 12/18. We will hopefully know more then!
Karen
:lol: [/QUOTE]
And that would be different from the traffic jams we see there every time we have an event? ;)
If Ripken was the option, I'm not sure what the entry cap would be, but I guess it's pretty obvious it would have to be lower. :( How many ended up at FedEx this past year? Almost 400? That was too many.... I was in heat [i]6[/i], and on Saturday, I didn't finish my runs until 8PM. I was blinded by the setting sun as I went through the finish lights! Granted, the timer issues didn't help...
I know the idea was to try for a Maryland Tour date around the "usual time of year," and the tentative schedule has Wendover on May 21st-22nd, and Toledo as June 11th-12th. The plan seems to try to get a date either Memorial Day weekend or the first weekend in June (like last year). Our next AI meeting is 12/18. We will hopefully know more then!
Karen
| dwx | 12-02-2004 12:58 PM |
In the end, it's the regions that put on the events. They can choose to put them on or not to put them on. I can't fault an organizer for not wanting to put an event on if it's a burden to them and they have good reasons for it. I wouldn't be blaming the WDC region for there not being a national event in the northeast, I'd be blaming the national staff. They should take a proactive approach at scheduling and if they knew WDC didn't want to do an event, they should have looked for someone who would. They can read a map just as good as anyone else.
From what I gather from the posts is that the WDC region has the best chance to put on a national event in the NE, and they have said they don't want to do it. People feel they are doing a disservice to the autox community in the NE by not doing the event. I would suggest letting them know how you feel, and offer help in coordinating the event if they need it.
Now if they are trying to shut out some other local group from doing an event at FedEx when they could do one, that's another thing altogether, but I haven't seen any real factual information in this read that is the case.
From what I gather from the posts is that the WDC region has the best chance to put on a national event in the NE, and they have said they don't want to do it. People feel they are doing a disservice to the autox community in the NE by not doing the event. I would suggest letting them know how you feel, and offer help in coordinating the event if they need it.
Now if they are trying to shut out some other local group from doing an event at FedEx when they could do one, that's another thing altogether, but I haven't seen any real factual information in this read that is the case.
| ringthree | 12-02-2004 01:32 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]You know what, this crap has got to stop. This thread went from a good discussion of the '05 schedule and some complaints to personal attacks faster than the SRT-4.
ringthree:
You don't have to worry about your council members or Jim; I'm sure that they can handle themselves and do not need you to defend them or their decisions. Stop the defensiveness on their behalf; they can handle themselves. If they want to come in and argue, point them to this thread. :)
Either you folks should take this to PMs since that's what they are there for or a mod should close this thread.[/QUOTE]
I am sure they can, too. But they obviously dont come here, and some people were making statements here that they choose not to make on SCCAForums. I just found that to be pretty low.
ringthree:
You don't have to worry about your council members or Jim; I'm sure that they can handle themselves and do not need you to defend them or their decisions. Stop the defensiveness on their behalf; they can handle themselves. If they want to come in and argue, point them to this thread. :)
Either you folks should take this to PMs since that's what they are there for or a mod should close this thread.[/QUOTE]
I am sure they can, too. But they obviously dont come here, and some people were making statements here that they choose not to make on SCCAForums. I just found that to be pretty low.
| KC | 12-02-2004 01:38 PM |
I'm not putting down WDC at all. I even said they have every right to refuse to do a tour or any national event. I wholly agree with that. Every region has that right and I fully support every region to do so. I thank them for what they did last year.
My whole point of contention was the REASON they don't want to hold a tour when Jim said on behalf of WDC:
[QUOTE]However, the primary concern that drove the decision of the 20+ member WDCR Solo II committee was that we believe that [B]we can serve the members of SCCA much better[/B] by attempting to do an East Coast Championship series with our neighboring Regions without National involvement.[/QUOTE]
They said "we can serve the members of SCCA much better without National involvement." Hello?
Is WDC an SCCA chapter? [url]http://www.wdcr-scca.org/[/url] Well lookie here, yes they are.
Essentially, they stated they can do better than SCCA currently provides. Besides reeking of EGO, ***IMHO*** they just bit the hand that feeds them. If I were in any position to make decisions about clubs... WDCR would no longer be covered under the SCCA umbrella. Period. You just don't publicly state stuff like that on a public forum, when you count on said organization for insurance among other things.
IMHO that statement is a big slap on the face to SCCA [B]AND[/B] I also look at it as a wake up call to the SCCA that some regions aren't happy with the way National Office is conducting things. (Which as a member driven organization, everyone has the right to speak out about... on an individual level... not on a clubs level.
I'm done with this. :) I'm not mad at the club for deciding not to do a tour. That's their right. I'm mad at the reason they decided to do so.
My whole point of contention was the REASON they don't want to hold a tour when Jim said on behalf of WDC:
[QUOTE]However, the primary concern that drove the decision of the 20+ member WDCR Solo II committee was that we believe that [B]we can serve the members of SCCA much better[/B] by attempting to do an East Coast Championship series with our neighboring Regions without National involvement.[/QUOTE]
They said "we can serve the members of SCCA much better without National involvement." Hello?
Is WDC an SCCA chapter? [url]http://www.wdcr-scca.org/[/url] Well lookie here, yes they are.
Essentially, they stated they can do better than SCCA currently provides. Besides reeking of EGO, ***IMHO*** they just bit the hand that feeds them. If I were in any position to make decisions about clubs... WDCR would no longer be covered under the SCCA umbrella. Period. You just don't publicly state stuff like that on a public forum, when you count on said organization for insurance among other things.
IMHO that statement is a big slap on the face to SCCA [B]AND[/B] I also look at it as a wake up call to the SCCA that some regions aren't happy with the way National Office is conducting things. (Which as a member driven organization, everyone has the right to speak out about... on an individual level... not on a clubs level.
I'm done with this. :) I'm not mad at the club for deciding not to do a tour. That's their right. I'm mad at the reason they decided to do so.
| AUTOwrXER | 12-02-2004 03:12 PM |
If we can put emotions aside for a minute, I think there are some important lessons to be learned from DC pulling out. It is very difficult to host one of these events. It was by far the hardest event that I did last year. In the end, many of the people that helped me put it on felt like we had just thrown a big party for a bunch of guests we had never met. I don't mean that in a bad way, but you have to remember that National Solo II competitors are only a small percentage of overall Solo II participants. Most of the people that helped me pull this off did not even run in the Prosolo. That being said, we are looking forward to doing two events next year. The Tour appeals to much more of my team, and many are looking forward to running in their first National event.
Essentially, I think we need to focus more on how these events can be a help to the host regions, given how much effort they require. That, or we could focus on making them easier to organize. Here are some things I think can help:
1) Make the financial contribution to the region more significant. Right now it doesn't pay much at all, and there are many associated costs above and beyond a normal event (i.e. welcome party, paid challenge workers, etc.). A larger hosting payout would help me motivate my team by working towards something that we really want as a region, plus I could offer other club members a modest payout to work the 45 hours per event at the waiver station.
2) Compensated entry fees for host region workers, either at the hosted event or at a future date. Volunteers LOVE running for free, and the cost associated with this is relatively very small.
3) Offset the organizational effort by asking for help from routine participants. Some do this by their own volunteerism, but essentially the National staff would be expanded greatly if they reached out and asked for regulars to help. I know many of my folks would have appreciated it.
4) Better communication between the National staff and the host region. Enough said. I hope this improves in 2005. This is not meant as a knock on anyone in particular, but with the travel schedule involved it sometimes took me over a month to get a response to a routine question.
I suspect, and I am speculating now, that these are some of the reasons that DC decided not to host an event. I doubt that they are Satan's spawn. I also don't think it's reasonable to ask folks to make a large personal sacrifice without fair compensation (of one form or another) in return. We can either reduce the sacrifice or increase the compensation. Would the folks who trailer hundreds of miles, stay in hotels for 3 days, and dump $1000s into their cars give an extra $5 or a helping hand to make it worth a region's time? I think so.
Joel Fehrman
Atlanta Region Solo II Chair
Essentially, I think we need to focus more on how these events can be a help to the host regions, given how much effort they require. That, or we could focus on making them easier to organize. Here are some things I think can help:
1) Make the financial contribution to the region more significant. Right now it doesn't pay much at all, and there are many associated costs above and beyond a normal event (i.e. welcome party, paid challenge workers, etc.). A larger hosting payout would help me motivate my team by working towards something that we really want as a region, plus I could offer other club members a modest payout to work the 45 hours per event at the waiver station.
2) Compensated entry fees for host region workers, either at the hosted event or at a future date. Volunteers LOVE running for free, and the cost associated with this is relatively very small.
3) Offset the organizational effort by asking for help from routine participants. Some do this by their own volunteerism, but essentially the National staff would be expanded greatly if they reached out and asked for regulars to help. I know many of my folks would have appreciated it.
4) Better communication between the National staff and the host region. Enough said. I hope this improves in 2005. This is not meant as a knock on anyone in particular, but with the travel schedule involved it sometimes took me over a month to get a response to a routine question.
I suspect, and I am speculating now, that these are some of the reasons that DC decided not to host an event. I doubt that they are Satan's spawn. I also don't think it's reasonable to ask folks to make a large personal sacrifice without fair compensation (of one form or another) in return. We can either reduce the sacrifice or increase the compensation. Would the folks who trailer hundreds of miles, stay in hotels for 3 days, and dump $1000s into their cars give an extra $5 or a helping hand to make it worth a region's time? I think so.
Joel Fehrman
Atlanta Region Solo II Chair
| CamaroFS34 | 12-02-2004 04:31 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]2) Compensated entry fees for host region workers, either at the hosted event or at a future date. Volunteers LOVE running for free, and the cost associated with this is relatively very small. [/QUOTE]
You know, this used to be the case, at least for ProSolos? When you sent in your entry, if you were a member of the host region, you got an automatic break on the entry fee ($45 vs. the then-$55 entry fee). The assumption was that if you were a region member, you were working the challenge. Also, if you were a "coreworker" (ie., you worked all three heats, instead of the mandatory 2), you also got a break on the entry fee.
I'd have to look at some old entry forms in Fastrack to see just when that practice stopped. I'm thinking 2001-2002, somewhere in that time frame.
Karen
You know, this used to be the case, at least for ProSolos? When you sent in your entry, if you were a member of the host region, you got an automatic break on the entry fee ($45 vs. the then-$55 entry fee). The assumption was that if you were a region member, you were working the challenge. Also, if you were a "coreworker" (ie., you worked all three heats, instead of the mandatory 2), you also got a break on the entry fee.
I'd have to look at some old entry forms in Fastrack to see just when that practice stopped. I'm thinking 2001-2002, somewhere in that time frame.
Karen
| TyrannoSullyRex | 12-02-2004 05:01 PM |
Just curious as to why can't another region host the event at FedEx field? We've done this before in Houston Region when Texas Region hosted an event at Gulf Greyhound Park when we were tired of hosting "big" events (National Tour and two divisionals) as well as 12 "normal" regional events. It was nice to show up and just work a corner.
| jbrennen | 12-02-2004 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE=ringthree]Karen, I also find that your attitude difference from here and SCCAForums to be quite disturbing. Do you not feel you can call out the Garfield's and their synchophants in a place they could actually see it?[/QUOTE]
At the risk of dipping my foot into this mess, this is certainly not an accurate characterization. Karen is about as "up-front" and "in-your-face" as anyone can be while still being a likeable person. (I hope that came out right...) :)
And if you're lucky enough to deal with her face-to-face, you'll realize that she's a real class act. Like offering her car to a competitor with car trouble, or offering the floor in her hotel room when you can't get a reservation -- both of which happened this past summer.
And at the risk of being accused of being a Karen Kraus sycophant... :lol: I think she's way off base about the Evo/STi Street Prepared classing. :devil:
At the risk of dipping my foot into this mess, this is certainly not an accurate characterization. Karen is about as "up-front" and "in-your-face" as anyone can be while still being a likeable person. (I hope that came out right...) :)
And if you're lucky enough to deal with her face-to-face, you'll realize that she's a real class act. Like offering her car to a competitor with car trouble, or offering the floor in her hotel room when you can't get a reservation -- both of which happened this past summer.
And at the risk of being accused of being a Karen Kraus sycophant... :lol: I think she's way off base about the Evo/STi Street Prepared classing. :devil:
| CamaroFS34 | 12-03-2004 12:01 AM |
[QUOTE=jbrennen]And at the risk of being accused of being a Karen Kraus sycophant... :lol: ...[/quote]
Don't worry... I think I'm the only one who had a cheering section (complete with signs!) at the DC Tour this past year! ;) A couple of my students showed up to root for me. :lol:
[quote]I think she's way off base about the Evo/STi Street Prepared classing. :devil:[/QUOTE]
:devil: yourself!! You know I recently drove both Sam Strano's ESP Camaro [i]and[/i] what's probably the best setup ESP STi (so far), right? Oh, and better yet.... my name's in for an SEB opening! They just have to decide which opening I'm eligible for -- the SEDiv one (since I'm an SEDiv member, being a Blue Ridge Region member since '94) or the NEDiv one (since I live in Maryland... even if it is western Maryland). :cool: ;)
Karen
Don't worry... I think I'm the only one who had a cheering section (complete with signs!) at the DC Tour this past year! ;) A couple of my students showed up to root for me. :lol:
[quote]I think she's way off base about the Evo/STi Street Prepared classing. :devil:[/QUOTE]
:devil: yourself!! You know I recently drove both Sam Strano's ESP Camaro [i]and[/i] what's probably the best setup ESP STi (so far), right? Oh, and better yet.... my name's in for an SEB opening! They just have to decide which opening I'm eligible for -- the SEDiv one (since I'm an SEDiv member, being a Blue Ridge Region member since '94) or the NEDiv one (since I live in Maryland... even if it is western Maryland). :cool: ;)
Karen
| adhowe70 | 12-03-2004 12:04 AM |
Karen would kick your ass if you tried to be a Karen Kraus sycophant! Or at least make you wear the Bud dress and be subject to endless ridicule from your colleagues.
Agreed though, you'll always know where you stand with Karen.
As for another region at FedEx, it sounds like WDCR has already bartered for all the dates that SCCA can get. Or at least their not willing to let anyone else barter for dates on their "turf." So, another region can't host a tour at FedEx unless WDCR gives up one of their weekends there.
Andy H.
Edit: Damn Karen... it must be midnight! And a school night! Why aren't you in bed?!?
Agreed though, you'll always know where you stand with Karen.
As for another region at FedEx, it sounds like WDCR has already bartered for all the dates that SCCA can get. Or at least their not willing to let anyone else barter for dates on their "turf." So, another region can't host a tour at FedEx unless WDCR gives up one of their weekends there.
Andy H.
Edit: Damn Karen... it must be midnight! And a school night! Why aren't you in bed?!?
| AUTOwrXER | 12-03-2004 10:40 AM |
Karen - It was raining and we were on Radial Wets. My car is not really very fast.
| AUTOwrXER | 12-03-2004 10:42 AM |
FWIW, my position is the same now as before; I wouldn't care if the rally cars were moved to their own SP class. Just don't move them to BSP and kill off a growing segment.
| CamaroFS34 | 12-03-2004 11:10 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Karen - It was raining and we were on Radial Wets. My car is not really very fast.[/QUOTE]
Who said I was talking about your STi? ;)
Karen
[on edit] : Andy -- I was up late because I was getting things ready for work today! What, you think I stay up late just pondering things to post on NASIOC? ;)
Who said I was talking about your STi? ;)
Karen
[on edit] : Andy -- I was up late because I was getting things ready for work today! What, you think I stay up late just pondering things to post on NASIOC? ;)
| AUTOwrXER | 12-03-2004 02:02 PM |
Karen - I wish you wouldn't address me with such a biased tone. Clearly you have some long-standing issues with me that are irrelevant to this topic ;)
| jbrennen | 12-03-2004 02:18 PM |
[QUOTE=adhowe70]Or at least make you wear the Bud dress and be subject to endless ridicule from your colleagues.[/QUOTE]
Look out, here comes #6 SM[b]"L"[/b], sponsored by the undisputed King of Beers...
Look out, here comes #6 SM[b]"L"[/b], sponsored by the undisputed King of Beers...
| KC | 12-03-2004 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Karen - I wish you wouldn't address me with such a biased tone. Clearly you have some long-standing issues with me that are irrelevant to this topic ;)[/QUOTE]
It's always gotta be about you, huh? :D
Anyways... here's what I'm looking at:
1) San Diego Tour in a Borrowed Ride (March 12/13)
2) Possibly Atlanta ProSolo (Depending on entry requirements) (April 16/17)
3) Toledo Tour (June 11/12)
4) Oscoda Pro (June 25/26)
5) Toledo Pro (August 6/7)
I, for one, am very happy NOT to see events on back to back weekends when considering the amt of travel and time off required from work to attend. A couple days here and there is good... but consecutive weekends... not good.
Thank you SCCA for listening to that 'request'.
--kC
It's always gotta be about you, huh? :D
Anyways... here's what I'm looking at:
1) San Diego Tour in a Borrowed Ride (March 12/13)
2) Possibly Atlanta ProSolo (Depending on entry requirements) (April 16/17)
3) Toledo Tour (June 11/12)
4) Oscoda Pro (June 25/26)
5) Toledo Pro (August 6/7)
I, for one, am very happy NOT to see events on back to back weekends when considering the amt of travel and time off required from work to attend. A couple days here and there is good... but consecutive weekends... not good.
Thank you SCCA for listening to that 'request'.
--kC
| Patrick L | 12-03-2004 09:43 PM |
Arkansas Region had its board meeting the other night from what I heard from a firend in the area. The date is a go. However, the Tour is at the airport in Walnut Ridge, not Blytheville.
| MNbiker | 12-04-2004 12:37 AM |
[QUOTE=Top_Dog]Arkansas Region had its board meeting the other night from what I heard from a firend in the area. The date is a go. However, the Tour is at the airport in Walnut Ridge, not Blytheville.[/QUOTE]
So, what are the chances we'll get a warm, dry event in Northern Arkansas in mid-March? Is this one going to be a crap shoot like Atlanta?
-Steve
So, what are the chances we'll get a warm, dry event in Northern Arkansas in mid-March? Is this one going to be a crap shoot like Atlanta?
-Steve
| ChrisDP | 12-04-2004 12:59 AM |
I would just like to say that this schedule cramps my style which means it should be change, and Karen's hotel room floors are teh best!
#5,193,168,743 Kraus sycophant,
-Chris P
Oscoda Pro hotel floor room occupant
#5,193,168,743 Kraus sycophant,
-Chris P
Oscoda Pro hotel floor room occupant
| CamaroFS34 | 12-04-2004 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=ChrisDP]...Karen's hotel room floors are teh best![/QUOTE]
Especially when Team Blenderblaster stops by for additional entertainment, eh? ;)
Karen
Especially when Team Blenderblaster stops by for additional entertainment, eh? ;)
Karen
| AUTOwrXER | 12-06-2004 10:57 AM |
[QUOTE=MNbiker]So, what are the chances we'll get a warm, dry event in Northern Arkansas in mid-March? Is this one going to be a crap shoot like Atlanta?
-Steve[/QUOTE]
Atlanta was mid-February last year. It should be warmer in Arkansas in mid-March. As for the rain, well, that's always a toss-up. The SE gets a lot of rain in the spring.
-Steve[/QUOTE]
Atlanta was mid-February last year. It should be warmer in Arkansas in mid-March. As for the rain, well, that's always a toss-up. The SE gets a lot of rain in the spring.
| lo-buck | 12-06-2004 12:32 PM |
i just heard about the dc events being taken off the tour. i may as well stop working on next year's car now :(
| MNbiker | 12-06-2004 03:47 PM |
Just got a letter in the mail from Tasha today. It's official - 6 ProSolo events, plus the Finale. Best 2 of your first 3 events, plus the Finale for total points.
-Steve
-Steve
| KC | 12-06-2004 03:53 PM |
Then I guess Atlanta is on the schedule for me since there's only 3 on this side of the country.
--kC
--kC
| AUTOwrXER | 12-06-2004 06:00 PM |
KC - Let me know if you need a place to crash. You and Karen can fight over the spare bedroom vs. the couch. Westside Atl > Northeast Atl (Gwinnett).
Joel
Joel
| Corey | 12-06-2004 06:04 PM |
Since we're talking Atlanta here... anybody have a nice safe place for a car and trailer that they could offer up for the week between the Tour and the Pro?
Corey #89 STS
Corey #89 STS
| KC | 12-06-2004 07:02 PM |
I'll take floor if the need be. :) Thanks!
I just hope I have everything for the car before then. :D
--kC
I just hope I have everything for the car before then. :D
--kC
| CamaroFS34 | 12-07-2004 10:28 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]KC - Let me know if you need a place to crash. You and Karen can fight over the spare bedroom vs. the couch. Westside Atl > Northeast Atl (Gwinnett).[/QUOTE]
I've got dibs on the bedroom? Cool! Guess I'm going to the Atlanta events then! :banana: :lol: :D
Karen
I've got dibs on the bedroom? Cool! Guess I'm going to the Atlanta events then! :banana: :lol: :D
Karen
| AUTOwrXER | 12-07-2004 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Corey]Since we're talking Atlanta here... anybody have a nice safe place for a car and trailer that they could offer up for the week between the Tour and the Pro?
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
Trailer parking will be available at the site between events ;)
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
Trailer parking will be available at the site between events ;)
| CivicSiRacer | 12-09-2004 01:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Corey]Eh? I don't see how that could work... Especially considering the turnout for the NE Tour last year. We'd have to paddock down on I-95
:lol:
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
The Ripken lot is like 1/3 the size of FedEx! Can't imagine a tour at Ripken...
:lol:
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
The Ripken lot is like 1/3 the size of FedEx! Can't imagine a tour at Ripken...
| KC | 12-09-2004 07:46 AM |
[QUOTE=CivicSiRacer]The Ripken lot is like 1/3 the size of FedEx! Can't imagine a tour at Ripken...[/QUOTE]
Combine it with a rally-x on the infield. :D
Combine it with a rally-x on the infield. :D
| DrBiggly | 12-09-2004 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Combine it with a rally-x on the infield. :D[/QUOTE]
Oh like THAT would happen. :lol:
Although it was pretty funny to see the folks trying to move the diamond cover around during the Subaru Challenge when the winds were gusting up to like 35-40mph. :lol:
Oh like THAT would happen. :lol:
Although it was pretty funny to see the folks trying to move the diamond cover around during the Subaru Challenge when the winds were gusting up to like 35-40mph. :lol:
| CivicSiRacer | 12-28-2004 02:00 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Combine it with a rally-x on the infield. :D[/QUOTE]
Sorry for bringing this back from the dead. But I remember a certain black Porsche almost doing a rally-x this past year :)
Sorry for bringing this back from the dead. But I remember a certain black Porsche almost doing a rally-x this past year :)
| dwx | 12-28-2004 09:52 AM |
I saw a guy rally-x a 3rd gen RX-7 once.
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