| Draken | 05-10-2005 10:39 PM |
With regard to street driving: I daily drive my STi. 10k/8k springs, 26-28mm front bar, 20-24mm rear bar. I noticed zero difference to ride quality when switching to the bigger front bar (from a 22mm bar.)
With regard to pushing in sweepers. Have you played with rear toe?
I learned to autocross in light and underpowered front drive cars. Then i raced my g-stock RS for a few years. When i jumped in the stock STi, i was having issues with oversteer. I guess it is just a different driving style. I tend to get a lot of rotation on entry, which can make putting power down on exit a bit of a challenge. I actually installed the front bar to help cure some of my corner exit oversteer. And it worked.
Chris H.
'04 STi
(#96 at nats in ESP)
With regard to pushing in sweepers. Have you played with rear toe?
I learned to autocross in light and underpowered front drive cars. Then i raced my g-stock RS for a few years. When i jumped in the stock STi, i was having issues with oversteer. I guess it is just a different driving style. I tend to get a lot of rotation on entry, which can make putting power down on exit a bit of a challenge. I actually installed the front bar to help cure some of my corner exit oversteer. And it worked.
Chris H.
'04 STi
(#96 at nats in ESP)
| Got Pink? | 05-11-2005 11:18 AM |
One of the main reasons I am getting the bar is to maintain some semblance of streetability by using such a large bar you can get good resistance to body roll with more reasonable front spring rates. My former stock class miata worked much better with a large front bar and i just used the koni's to balance it out since in stock class I couldn't play with rear bars or springs.
| AUTOwrXER | 05-11-2005 11:56 AM |
Regarding streetability, there are many larger bars on production cars than this model. A 350Z, for example, comes with a 35mm bar (I believe). I drove a Camaro around for a few hundred miles with a 35mm bar, and it was not noticable at street-legal speeds. I think my SE-R even has a 30+mm bar...
The dilemma is that we have poor suspension geometery up front. Any amount of roll is a bad thing. You can either control that roll with firm springs or with a big swaybar. Each solution has it's own advantages and disadvantages. I doubt if you want to run the spring rates required to get away with no front bar or a small front bar. You quickly get to the point where you have too much spring for compliance on a bumpy surface.
The dilemma is that we have poor suspension geometery up front. Any amount of roll is a bad thing. You can either control that roll with firm springs or with a big swaybar. Each solution has it's own advantages and disadvantages. I doubt if you want to run the spring rates required to get away with no front bar or a small front bar. You quickly get to the point where you have too much spring for compliance on a bumpy surface.
| DrBiggly | 05-11-2005 12:28 PM |
I have a 36mm front bar in my truck and folks marvel at the handling. (I went from a 24mm bar to a 36mm bar. Note: The truck is very nose heavy and it's curb weight is nearly identical to a WRX. :)
-Biggly
-Biggly
| AUTOwrXER | 05-11-2005 01:48 PM |
The point being that the bar is plenty "streetable". What I have been impressed with is that I have not noticed a difference in the independant movement of the suspension. I expected this is to be the biggest drawback, but I have not seen a difference.
| funsti | 05-13-2005 10:47 AM |
I just placed my order with Strano Parts for the 32mm hollow front sway bar! I was told they have already pre-sold half of the initial shipment of 30 they are getting.
I have a set of the new Whiteline G4 race coilovers on my 05 STi but everything else in the suspension is stock. I'm going to leave the rear sway stock and see how it drives before deciding if I want to order a bigger adjustable one. I am going to get front camber/caster plates (probably PDE), anti-lift kit and rear camber bolts and some alignments and leave it at that for my first evolution school. I will be running stock tires indefinitely until I learn how to drive.
Is there anything else I need to upgrade up front to run this super thick swaybar and not worry about breaking stuff? I'm pretty sure I have nothing to worry about because I was told the new sway bar will come with every part necessary for installation but it doesn't hurt to ask.
I have a set of the new Whiteline G4 race coilovers on my 05 STi but everything else in the suspension is stock. I'm going to leave the rear sway stock and see how it drives before deciding if I want to order a bigger adjustable one. I am going to get front camber/caster plates (probably PDE), anti-lift kit and rear camber bolts and some alignments and leave it at that for my first evolution school. I will be running stock tires indefinitely until I learn how to drive.
Is there anything else I need to upgrade up front to run this super thick swaybar and not worry about breaking stuff? I'm pretty sure I have nothing to worry about because I was told the new sway bar will come with every part necessary for installation but it doesn't hurt to ask.
| DrBiggly | 05-13-2005 11:09 AM |
funsti,
That all sounds like a plan except if you really want to play in autox, leave the ALK out. Don't worry, you won't miss it no matter how much marketing and rave reviews folks throw at you. Their KCA375 offset bushing though, is totally fine. :)
-Biggly
That all sounds like a plan except if you really want to play in autox, leave the ALK out. Don't worry, you won't miss it no matter how much marketing and rave reviews folks throw at you. Their KCA375 offset bushing though, is totally fine. :)
-Biggly
| funsti | 05-13-2005 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]funsti,
That all sounds like a plan except if you really want to play in autox, leave the ALK out. Don't worry, you won't miss it no matter how much marketing and rave reviews folks throw at you. Their KCA375 offset bushing though, is totally fine. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Ummmm well I sorta just ordered the ALK from boxer4racing today, doh! So you're saying the ALK is one of those things you probably won't ever notice but in theory it is good to have? Meh, it can't hurt..
Patrick with Boxer4Racing is still looking into finding some front camber plates that are compatible with the Whiteline coilovers. I think the issue is the size of the nut that holds the tophats to the struts.
So this KCA375 offset bushing can give you +/- 0.5 degrees of caster. Do you think it will be worth it to get that even when you have plates that allow caster adjustment?
That all sounds like a plan except if you really want to play in autox, leave the ALK out. Don't worry, you won't miss it no matter how much marketing and rave reviews folks throw at you. Their KCA375 offset bushing though, is totally fine. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Ummmm well I sorta just ordered the ALK from boxer4racing today, doh! So you're saying the ALK is one of those things you probably won't ever notice but in theory it is good to have? Meh, it can't hurt..
Patrick with Boxer4Racing is still looking into finding some front camber plates that are compatible with the Whiteline coilovers. I think the issue is the size of the nut that holds the tophats to the struts.
So this KCA375 offset bushing can give you +/- 0.5 degrees of caster. Do you think it will be worth it to get that even when you have plates that allow caster adjustment?
| afpdl | 05-13-2005 12:22 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]Ummmm well I sorta just ordered the ALK from boxer4racing today, doh! So you're saying the ALK is one of those things you probably won't ever notice but in theory it is good to have? Meh, it can't hurt..
[/QUOTE]
No what he means is, if you want to autox competively dont use an ALK because it will throw you into a class that you have no shot at. While the offset bushing is legal for all classes past stock and accomplishes much of the same goal.
[/QUOTE]
No what he means is, if you want to autox competively dont use an ALK because it will throw you into a class that you have no shot at. While the offset bushing is legal for all classes past stock and accomplishes much of the same goal.
| funsti | 05-13-2005 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE=afpdl]No what he means is, if you want to autox competively dont use an ALK because it will throw you into a class that you have no shot at. While the offset bushing is legal for all classes past stock and accomplishes much of the same goal.[/QUOTE]
DOH! So it's only legal for SM and beyond huh? I better get on the phone here..
DOH! So it's only legal for SM and beyond huh? I better get on the phone here..
| rankink | 05-13-2005 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]DOH! So it's only legal for SM and beyond huh? I better get on the phone here..[/QUOTE]
Yep, that is the kicker. Puts you right into SM.
Yep, that is the kicker. Puts you right into SM.
| DrBiggly | 05-13-2005 12:30 PM |
Actually it's still not legal for SM as far as I know and puts one into Prepared. There have been quite a few debates about it.
| rankink | 05-13-2005 01:16 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Actually it's still not legal for SM as far as I know and puts one into Prepared. There have been quite a few debates about it.[/QUOTE]
You are right. I got the class mixed up again. I have seen some of the discussions about it as well.
You are right. I got the class mixed up again. I have seen some of the discussions about it as well.
| funsti | 05-13-2005 02:08 PM |
Ok so ALK is definitely out of the question for me, probably forever, lol. Thanks for the info!! I couldn't tell about this from reading the 2005 rules PDF because I don't know much suspension terminology.
One more question I'm curious about, do coilovers force you into street prepared or are they ok for the street touring classes as long as the dampening isn't adjustable while the car is in motion?
Also, are those KCA375 offset bushings legal for street touring? I get the impression that these bushings are legal from what you posted Dr. Biggly but I'm not sure which class you were thinking of.
One more question I'm curious about, do coilovers force you into street prepared or are they ok for the street touring classes as long as the dampening isn't adjustable while the car is in motion?
Also, are those KCA375 offset bushings legal for street touring? I get the impression that these bushings are legal from what you posted Dr. Biggly but I'm not sure which class you were thinking of.
| DrBiggly | 05-13-2005 02:22 PM |
You have it right on the coilovers. Prepared class is different from Street Prepared. Prepared allows changing of suspension mounting points, stripped chassis, lots of wild stuff. Maybe even Tube-frame? Or perhaps that only Modified, which is not to be confused with Street Modified. That's where one could make a purpose-built racecar.
The ALK is legal, but not in a class that you'd want to run in. :)
-Biggly
The ALK is legal, but not in a class that you'd want to run in. :)
-Biggly
| funsti | 05-13-2005 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]You have it right on the coilovers. Prepared class is different from Street Prepared. Prepared allows changing of suspension mounting points, stripped chassis, lots of wild stuff. Maybe even Tube-frame? Or perhaps that only Modified, which is not to be confused with Street Modified. That's where one could make a purpose-built racecar.
The ALK is legal, but not in a class that you'd want to run in. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
OK cool so Ill be good to run STU then, phew. I called boxer4racing back and got them to change out the ALK for the offset bushings before shipping my order (I am also getting camber bolts for the rear).
Not to nitpick but I think that the ALK should be specifically allowed in at least SM because it's a cheap and non-extreme mod to make that just doesn't seem to fit with what Prepared is usually for.
P.S. Sorry for temporary thread hijacking!
The ALK is legal, but not in a class that you'd want to run in. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
OK cool so Ill be good to run STU then, phew. I called boxer4racing back and got them to change out the ALK for the offset bushings before shipping my order (I am also getting camber bolts for the rear).
Not to nitpick but I think that the ALK should be specifically allowed in at least SM because it's a cheap and non-extreme mod to make that just doesn't seem to fit with what Prepared is usually for.
P.S. Sorry for temporary thread hijacking!
| Got Pink? | 05-13-2005 02:59 PM |
The reason the ALK is not legal even in SM is that it changes the suspension pickup points on the chassis. That is essentially chassis modification and the whole idea behind SM is to allow unlimited drivetrain with a given chassis and even prohibits many chassis braces that are also common and cheap.
I am also on the bar list and still undecided on getting a bigger rear sway. I am getting KW V3 coilovers and plan to run STU and start with stiffer rear springs to offset the larger front bar.
Biggly and others how much of a pain is it to install the offset bushings and is worth the trouble?
Nate
I am also on the bar list and still undecided on getting a bigger rear sway. I am getting KW V3 coilovers and plan to run STU and start with stiffer rear springs to offset the larger front bar.
Biggly and others how much of a pain is it to install the offset bushings and is worth the trouble?
Nate
| funsti | 05-13-2005 03:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Got Pink?]The reason the ALK is not legal even in SM is that it changes the suspension pickup points on the chassis. That is essentially chassis modification and the whole idea behind SM is to allow unlimited drivetrain with a given chassis and even prohibits many chassis braces that are also common and cheap.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, I understand..
I guess there's always going to be little mods that can just tip toe across the class boundaries. I retract my former statement. :)
Ahh, I understand..
I guess there's always going to be little mods that can just tip toe across the class boundaries. I retract my former statement. :)
| Got Pink? | 05-13-2005 03:15 PM |
Also just in case you don't know already any changes to boost controls on a turbo car puts it in SM. Even the Cobb AP maps are all illegal in STU and ESP. They have an STX map for the WRX but no STU/ESP map for the STi. So you need a custom tune to get more power and still be legal. The autox rules are just like that. The whole progression for turbo cars makes no logical sense at all.
| DrBiggly | 05-13-2005 03:19 PM |
[QUOTE=Got Pink?]Also just in case you don't know already any changes to boost controls on a turbo car puts it in SM. Even the Cobb AP maps are all illegal in STU and ESP. They have an STX map for the WRX but no STU/ESP map for the STi. So you need a custom tune to get more power and still be legal. The autox rules are just like that. The whole progression for turbo cars makes no logical sense at all.[/QUOTE]
That's because for many years the SCCA believed that if you had a turbo car, you were cheating and nothing else mattered. They still can't figure out how to regulate it; they should just allow unlimited boost (as that's really not worth a whole lot more horsepower on a stock turbo, like 10-15 more for me I think it was when we tested just to see?) to be honest but I doubt they'll do that anytime soon if ever.
They think turbos can be turned up to unlimited horsepower and 60+ psi monster when in reality, turbo efficiencies come into play and there just isn't but so much more power capable out of one.
Regardless, we're limited in what one can do for turbo things so unless you want a custom ECU tune or have an AP and want to use the STX map, just leave the ECU alone and don't worry about it. :)
-Biggly
That's because for many years the SCCA believed that if you had a turbo car, you were cheating and nothing else mattered. They still can't figure out how to regulate it; they should just allow unlimited boost (as that's really not worth a whole lot more horsepower on a stock turbo, like 10-15 more for me I think it was when we tested just to see?) to be honest but I doubt they'll do that anytime soon if ever.
They think turbos can be turned up to unlimited horsepower and 60+ psi monster when in reality, turbo efficiencies come into play and there just isn't but so much more power capable out of one.
Regardless, we're limited in what one can do for turbo things so unless you want a custom ECU tune or have an AP and want to use the STX map, just leave the ECU alone and don't worry about it. :)
-Biggly
| AUTOwrXER | 05-13-2005 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]They think turbos can be turned up to unlimited horsepower and 60+ psi monster when in reality, turbo efficiencies come into play and there just isn't but so much more power capable out of one. -Biggly[/QUOTE]
They're really not that dumb. There are some very technically adept people on the SEB. They have considered allowing unlimited boost on stock hardware, but it would involve a major reclassification. They have always struggled with ways to police boost, but have not decided to let it go unchecked yet.
Back on topic, it's good to see some folks ordering the bar. I think the results will speak for themselves...
They're really not that dumb. There are some very technically adept people on the SEB. They have considered allowing unlimited boost on stock hardware, but it would involve a major reclassification. They have always struggled with ways to police boost, but have not decided to let it go unchecked yet.
Back on topic, it's good to see some folks ordering the bar. I think the results will speak for themselves...
| orthikon | 05-14-2005 11:28 PM |
Would this bar fit a WRX? Right now I have my eyes on Whiteline's 25-27 front swaybar.
| AUTOwrXER | 05-16-2005 02:56 PM |
I'm really not sure as I didn't test fit this. My understanding is that it is the same fitment, but I'm not positive of that...
| DrBiggly | 05-16-2005 03:05 PM |
Joel,
From what I understand the clearance on the STi is smaller than the WRX so if it fits an STi, it should fit a WRX just fine. I just read this morning about folks who were having trouble with Whiteline's bar on an STi but it fit just fine on a WRX. :)
-Biggly
From what I understand the clearance on the STi is smaller than the WRX so if it fits an STi, it should fit a WRX just fine. I just read this morning about folks who were having trouble with Whiteline's bar on an STi but it fit just fine on a WRX. :)
-Biggly
| AUTOwrXER | 05-19-2005 03:06 PM |
FYI, I just got off the phone with Sam from Stranoparts.com. Addco has started making the bars, and should have them shipped next week. They were pushed back in the schedule a bit, but they are being made now. Just wanted to pass along the info.
Joel
Joel
| funsti | 05-19-2005 04:15 PM |
Thanks for the update Joel!
If I'm lucky I'll get the bar before my first evolution school on May 28.
If I'm lucky I'll get the bar before my first evolution school on May 28.
| AUTOwrXER | 05-19-2005 04:37 PM |
Very cool, but I wouldn't worry about having it on the car for a phase 1. It's really not important what type of car you take that school in, as it's all about working on you as a driver. I took the phase one in a borrowed 94 Civc 4-door, and it was revolutionary for me.
| Scott Farmer | 06-06-2005 03:29 AM |
Anyone know what the ETA is on the bar yet?
| funsti | 06-06-2005 11:02 AM |
I just called Strano parts and they said "Any time now".
I hope any time now means I'll get it before the 16th of June because that's the day before my first HPDE. I want to get some seat time with it on before SE-Div #2!
I hope any time now means I'll get it before the 16th of June because that's the day before my first HPDE. I want to get some seat time with it on before SE-Div #2!
| [email�protected] | 06-10-2005 11:16 PM |
The bars should either be in PA now or on the way. Strano said they would ship as soon as they received them. I talked to them Thursday June 9, 2005
| [email�protected] | 06-10-2005 11:22 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]They're really not that dumb. There are some very technically adept people on the SEB. They have considered allowing unlimited boost on stock hardware, but it would involve a major reclassification. They have always struggled with ways to police boost, but have not decided to let it go unchecked yet.
Back on topic, it's good to see some folks ordering the bar. I think the results will speak for themselves...[/QUOTE]
According to PA I am #3 on the bar list. Do you know if changing my STi struts for WRX with Koni inserts would still allow me to run A Stock??
Back on topic, it's good to see some folks ordering the bar. I think the results will speak for themselves...[/QUOTE]
According to PA I am #3 on the bar list. Do you know if changing my STi struts for WRX with Koni inserts would still allow me to run A Stock??
| afpdl | 06-11-2005 12:01 AM |
Ive never measured the 2 but comparing sti struts and wrx struts side by side I could tell no differences besides color and the sti struts are inverted. So I dont see why they wouldnt be legal for AS.
| AUTOwrXER | 06-13-2005 11:26 AM |
Strut inserts are AS legal.
| AUTOwrXER | 06-15-2005 06:19 PM |
I just wanted to let everyone know that the first of the production bars is done. It is going to a shop near Sam for test fitment before they are all sent out. Once the fitment is verified, they will be sent out right away.
| Scott Farmer | 06-15-2005 10:28 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]I just wanted to let everyone know that the first of the production bars is done. It is going to a shop near Sam for test fitment before they are all sent out. Once the fitment is verified, they will be sent out right away.[/QUOTE]
:banana:
:banana:
| Virgil | 06-30-2005 07:27 PM |
Any update???? I've got one on order but haven't heard anything.
| Corn-Picker | 07-01-2005 10:16 AM |
I'll probably order one as soon. I'm waiting for current customers to get their bars, as well as some more customer impressions.
| ericdc | 07-01-2005 10:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Corn-Picker]I'll probably order one as soon. I'm waiting for current customers to get their bars, as well as some more customer impressions.[/QUOTE]
Morgantown eh? I live in Uniontown and work in Morgantown. Do you autocross anywhere?
Morgantown eh? I live in Uniontown and work in Morgantown. Do you autocross anywhere?
| Corn-Picker | 07-01-2005 11:35 AM |
[QUOTE=ericdc]Morgantown eh? I live in Uniontown and work in Morgantown. Do you autocross anywhere?[/QUOTE]
I, and other Subaru guys from WVU, make almost every Sunday autocross in Cumberland Maryland. Their website is [url]http://www.nationalroadrally.com/[/url]
There are many cool cars that attend the Cumberland series -- GT-40 kit cars, new C6s, an Audi RS-6, and Porsche GT3s are some of the more memorable cars I've seen there. Their course layouts are good and their attention to safety is top notch. The region isn't too competitive, a lot of the drivers are older guys looking to have some weekend fun with their expensive toys.
I, and other Subaru guys from WVU, make almost every Sunday autocross in Cumberland Maryland. Their website is [url]http://www.nationalroadrally.com/[/url]
There are many cool cars that attend the Cumberland series -- GT-40 kit cars, new C6s, an Audi RS-6, and Porsche GT3s are some of the more memorable cars I've seen there. Their course layouts are good and their attention to safety is top notch. The region isn't too competitive, a lot of the drivers are older guys looking to have some weekend fun with their expensive toys.
| ericdc | 07-01-2005 01:45 PM |
Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. I did most every event last year in a red CRX, and will do most every event there this year. I also have a WR Blue STi. Hmm, now that I think of it I think I may have talked to you last year. See ya next event.
| Smittys_STi | 07-01-2005 02:57 PM |
[QUOTE=Virgil]Any update???? I've got one on order but haven't heard anything.[/QUOTE]
Word is that one of the production bars is being shipped to someone to test fit it. I'd expect news about it pretty soon ....
Word is that one of the production bars is being shipped to someone to test fit it. I'd expect news about it pretty soon ....
| funsti | 07-19-2005 01:22 PM |
I just got a call from someone at Strano, the bars are shipping out this week! They should ship by the 22nd of July at the latest.
The delay they had was because the customer they sent the first bar to for test fitting still hadn't installed it after a whole month. So they sent another one out to a different customer and they got the ball rolling quickly. They found that the mounting hardware needed some tweaking (apparrently mostly stuff Joel had already done himself with the prototype) and they have been working on that in the meantime. They are making up all the final kits and painting the bars so they can go out this week!! :D :D :D
The delay they had was because the customer they sent the first bar to for test fitting still hadn't installed it after a whole month. So they sent another one out to a different customer and they got the ball rolling quickly. They found that the mounting hardware needed some tweaking (apparrently mostly stuff Joel had already done himself with the prototype) and they have been working on that in the meantime. They are making up all the final kits and painting the bars so they can go out this week!! :D :D :D
| Smittys_STi | 07-19-2005 01:54 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]I just got a call from someone at Strano, the bars are shipping out this week! They should ship by the 22nd of July at the latest.
The delay they had was because the customer they sent the first bar to for test fitting still hadn't installed it after a whole month. So they sent another one out to a different customer and they got the ball rolling quickly. They found that the mounting hardware needed some tweaking (apparrently mostly stuff Joel had already done himself with the prototype) and they have been working on that in the meantime. They are making up all the final kits and painting the bars so they can go out this week!! :D :D :D[/QUOTE]
I'm that second customer. :devil:
The bar was test fit on Wednesday, and is currently on my car. It saw it's first use/abuse this weekend for the Car and Driver Race Series in Detroit. (Which I won, so it must have at least worked a little bit) ;)
So far, Sam has all of my comments on fitment and suggestions for improvement. It's definitely a marked improvement in transitions.
If you guys have any questions, let me know.
Smitty
EDIT: Also a big thanks to bluesti4me for helping me with the test fit/install, and volunteering his time/hoist/tools
The delay they had was because the customer they sent the first bar to for test fitting still hadn't installed it after a whole month. So they sent another one out to a different customer and they got the ball rolling quickly. They found that the mounting hardware needed some tweaking (apparrently mostly stuff Joel had already done himself with the prototype) and they have been working on that in the meantime. They are making up all the final kits and painting the bars so they can go out this week!! :D :D :D[/QUOTE]
I'm that second customer. :devil:
The bar was test fit on Wednesday, and is currently on my car. It saw it's first use/abuse this weekend for the Car and Driver Race Series in Detroit. (Which I won, so it must have at least worked a little bit) ;)
So far, Sam has all of my comments on fitment and suggestions for improvement. It's definitely a marked improvement in transitions.
If you guys have any questions, let me know.
Smitty
EDIT: Also a big thanks to bluesti4me for helping me with the test fit/install, and volunteering his time/hoist/tools
| rkevans | 07-19-2005 02:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Smittys_STi]
If you guys have any questions, let me know.
Smitty
[/QUOTE]
I also got a call from Strano today. One question: Are you still running the stock rear sway bar? I'm undecided on whether to upgrade that one and jump to ESP/STU permanently or just leave it alone and run an AS-legal car in ESP/STU...
Rick
If you guys have any questions, let me know.
Smitty
[/QUOTE]
I also got a call from Strano today. One question: Are you still running the stock rear sway bar? I'm undecided on whether to upgrade that one and jump to ESP/STU permanently or just leave it alone and run an AS-legal car in ESP/STU...
Rick
| Smittys_STi | 07-19-2005 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=rkevans]I also got a call from Strano today. One question: Are you still running the stock rear sway bar? I'm undecided on whether to upgrade that one and jump to ESP/STU permanently or just leave it alone and run an AS-legal car in ESP/STU...
Rick[/QUOTE]
Yep, I'm still running the stock rear sway in AS. I only got 3 autoX runs on it this weekend, so I'll reserve my full comments on the dynamics until later ... but overall the front end of the car seemed to tuck into the slaloms much better. That was the biggest improvement I noticed.
Rick[/QUOTE]
Yep, I'm still running the stock rear sway in AS. I only got 3 autoX runs on it this weekend, so I'll reserve my full comments on the dynamics until later ... but overall the front end of the car seemed to tuck into the slaloms much better. That was the biggest improvement I noticed.
| Scott Farmer | 07-19-2005 06:36 PM |
I see my credit card has been charged, I guess it really is shipping!
| AUTOwrXER | 07-19-2005 08:23 PM |
Hey guys. I talked to Arlen at Stranoparts today. She called me to let me know that Sam Strano is sick with menangitis, and he's really struggling right now. He hardly ever misses work, but he's been out since the middle of last week. They are really behind with Sam out and they haven't been able to return all the calls. Please don't feel like you're being ignored if you called and haven't heard back.
The good news is that the bars are shipping right now. Arlen was hoping that everybody would see this message and it would save her from trying to make all the call-backs. Enjoy the bars! I'm eager to hear all the feedback. I've been enjoying mine.
The good news is that the bars are shipping right now. Arlen was hoping that everybody would see this message and it would save her from trying to make all the call-backs. Enjoy the bars! I'm eager to hear all the feedback. I've been enjoying mine.
| funsti | 07-20-2005 10:10 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Hey guys. I talked to Arlen at Stranoparts today. She called me to let me know that Sam Strano is sick with menangitis, and he's really struggling right now. He hardly ever misses work, but he's been out since the middle of last week[/QUOTE]
Dude, I hope it's not too serious! I don't like the looks of this:
[QUOTE=Dictionary.com]Main Entry: men�in�gi�tis
Pronunciation: "men-&n-'jIt-&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural men�in�git�i�des /-'jit-&-"dEz/
1 : inflammation of the meninges and especially of the pia mater and the arachnoid
2 : a disease that may be either a mild illness caused by a virus (as the coxsackievirus) or a more severe usually life-threatening illness caused by a bacterium (especially the meningococcus or the serotype designated B of Hemophilus influenzae), that may be associated with fever, headache, vomiting, malaise, and stiff neck, and that if untreated in bacterial forms may progress to confusion, stupor, convulsions, coma, and death
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Dude, I hope it's not too serious! I don't like the looks of this:
[QUOTE=Dictionary.com]Main Entry: men�in�gi�tis
Pronunciation: "men-&n-'jIt-&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural men�in�git�i�des /-'jit-&-"dEz/
1 : inflammation of the meninges and especially of the pia mater and the arachnoid
2 : a disease that may be either a mild illness caused by a virus (as the coxsackievirus) or a more severe usually life-threatening illness caused by a bacterium (especially the meningococcus or the serotype designated B of Hemophilus influenzae), that may be associated with fever, headache, vomiting, malaise, and stiff neck, and that if untreated in bacterial forms may progress to confusion, stupor, convulsions, coma, and death
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| AUTOwrXER | 07-20-2005 11:04 AM |
They think it's viral, as he would probably be dead by now if it was bacterial. He has all the crappy effects though; naseau, fever of 103.8, headache, etc...
| Smittys_STi | 07-20-2005 02:31 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]They think it's viral, as he would probably be dead by now if it was bacterial. He has all the crappy effects though; naseau, fever of 103.8, headache, etc...[/QUOTE]
Wow, hope he gets well soon then ... that sounds like a rough week or two.
Wow, hope he gets well soon then ... that sounds like a rough week or two.
| Scoobie Doogie | 07-20-2005 04:48 PM |
Wowzers...I hope Sammy's getting better. I saw him a few weeks ago at a CPR-SCCA event at Mid-State airport and he seemed fine then. I guess he won't be there this weekend then...of course maybe he'll come out anyway. :devil:
Dave
Dave
| ericdc | 07-21-2005 10:07 AM |
Any idea of how long this will take to install? I figure it will get here Friday after work and I have an autocross Saturday morning... Is it like a 1 hour thing or an all nighter?
| Smittys_STi | 07-21-2005 10:15 AM |
[QUOTE=ericdc]Any idea of how long this will take to install? I figure it will get here Friday after work and I have an autocross Saturday morning... Is it like a 1 hour thing or an all nighter?[/QUOTE]
If all the issues were fixed and you have:
1. the right tools (read: ramps, all the sockets, possibly air tools for the subframe bolts)
2. a helping hand
3. a decent set of instructions
... then I don't see why you can't get it on your car in a few hours.
My process was much longer, but mostly because we were taking notes and pictures for Sam, and we originally tried to install the endlinks and bar in the wrong orientations.
Good luck, and let us know how it goes,
Smitty
If all the issues were fixed and you have:
1. the right tools (read: ramps, all the sockets, possibly air tools for the subframe bolts)
2. a helping hand
3. a decent set of instructions
... then I don't see why you can't get it on your car in a few hours.
My process was much longer, but mostly because we were taking notes and pictures for Sam, and we originally tried to install the endlinks and bar in the wrong orientations.
Good luck, and let us know how it goes,
Smitty
| Virgil | 07-21-2005 06:29 PM |
[QUOTE=ericdc]Any idea of how long this will take to install? I figure it will get here Friday after work and I have an autocross Saturday morning... Is it like a 1 hour thing or an all nighter?[/QUOTE]
Am I to take it you recieved your already????
Am I to take it you recieved your already????
| funsti | 07-22-2005 09:10 PM |
I received my bar today! I am going to install it tomorrow.. just in time for the autocross the day after!
| funsti | 07-24-2005 12:19 AM |
Ahh crap. I couldn't get anyone to help me install the bar today. Oh well at least I got my oil changed and my brake fluid flushed. Man, it was one hot day in the garage!
Brakes > Sway bar.
Brakes > Sway bar.
| Virgil | 07-26-2005 02:46 PM |
Got my bar yesterday, will put in tomorrow. I'll try to remember to post my thoughts.
Joel I just shot you a PM.
Joel I just shot you a PM.
| Virgil | 07-27-2005 03:09 PM |
Well I just got the bar in. Wasn't terribly easy as the tolerances are so tight. Not hard just took some determination. I had already put in a whiteline 24mm and it was much easier. Luckily this time I had a borrowed cordless impact and that made the tough stuff easier. All I can say is take your time when acctually fitting the bar there may be a little forcing needed but be cautious. Gonna take a shower(damn Florida heat) then make the test run. I'll post on that later.
| Virgil | 07-27-2005 05:22 PM |
Well the bar feels good. i took a turn that I usually use a outside inside outside line for. This time at the same speed it just held the inside. I will have to wiat for an event to really try it but it looks promissing
| sciolist | 07-28-2005 02:20 PM |
32mm seems like a LOT of front bar. Has anyone used this bar in wet conditions? I'm looking to try a bigger front bar, but I'm a little leary about not being able to adjust it down.
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