| SloRice | 09-13-2005 11:07 AM |
wuss :lol:
285/30/18's for me :D
Oh yea, no clearance issues here. Tein Flex Coilovers and 245/45/17 V710's on the stock 7.5" BBS wheel.
285/30/18's for me :D
Oh yea, no clearance issues here. Tein Flex Coilovers and 245/45/17 V710's on the stock 7.5" BBS wheel.
| sciolist | 09-13-2005 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]I am running +48 offset + 5mm spacer....soo... I am starting off 10mm further from teh bar than stock wheels if that helps at all.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but isn't that with 255's? In that case you move outboard 5mm of offset + 5mm of spacer = 10mm, then back in 15mm of tire, so you would be 5mm closer than OEM (assuming the nominal tire widths were actual dimensions).
Yeah, but isn't that with 255's? In that case you move outboard 5mm of offset + 5mm of spacer = 10mm, then back in 15mm of tire, so you would be 5mm closer than OEM (assuming the nominal tire widths were actual dimensions).
| sciolist | 09-13-2005 11:20 AM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]they work fine, plenty of thread engagement still. I actually got them from a friend off of his VW beetle. They just slip over the stock studs and work well. I may buy some H+R trak+ spacers for next year as I am going to try to fit 275/40's.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean, "try"? ;)
What do you mean, "try"? ;)
| crystalhelix | 09-13-2005 12:23 PM |
[QUOTE=sciolist]Yeah, but isn't that with 255's? In that case you move outboard 5mm of offset + 5mm of spacer = 10mm, then back in 15mm of tire, so you would be 5mm closer than OEM (assuming the nominal tire widths were actual dimensions).
What do you mean, "try"? ;)
[/QUOTE]
I speaking of wheels "relatively." I wonder. There are probably only a small percentage of people running tires 255 plus. It's like and elite group or something as I can name a few people right of the bat that have helped me out. I know sciolist, I think you have already done it with my same wheel but with bigger spacers if I remember correctly.
Tim - 285's on 18" - jealousy:furious: - I really don't want to buy another set of rims. Do you plan on doing all the neccesary fender "modification"
I feel like I am threadjacking, so sorry for that. We can start another thread addressing huge tires for racing and their fitment issues. Hmmm...
[url="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11030355#post11030355"]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11030355#post11030355[/url]
What do you mean, "try"? ;)
[/QUOTE]
I speaking of wheels "relatively." I wonder. There are probably only a small percentage of people running tires 255 plus. It's like and elite group or something as I can name a few people right of the bat that have helped me out. I know sciolist, I think you have already done it with my same wheel but with bigger spacers if I remember correctly.
Tim - 285's on 18" - jealousy:furious: - I really don't want to buy another set of rims. Do you plan on doing all the neccesary fender "modification"
I feel like I am threadjacking, so sorry for that. We can start another thread addressing huge tires for racing and their fitment issues. Hmmm...
[url="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11030355#post11030355"]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11030355#post11030355[/url]
| Crash477 | 09-20-2005 05:13 PM |
well I called Strano today and talked with them for a bit. They said the bar should fit fine on an 02 WRX, so I ordered one! I hope to have it on by the Subaru Challenge.
| Scott Farmer | 09-26-2005 09:38 PM |
So, I'm about to order a set of 245/45 17 Hankooks...just to make sure, none of you autocrossers have experienced rubbing on the bar with this or larger sizes?
| Got Pink? | 09-26-2005 10:59 PM |
It fits fine on my car with those or the 245/45/17 RT215 Azenis. I have run both unshaved and the Azenis are much better at least for me.
| Crash477 | 09-29-2005 12:31 AM |
well I installed the 32mm bar on my 02 WRX today. Fitment was fine, except I had to grind a little off the mounting braket that mounts to the frame. Other than that it fit just fine! I havent driven it yet, but will tomorrow.
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?
| BlueSTI4Me | 09-29-2005 09:11 AM |
[QUOTE=Crash477]well I installed the 32mm bar on my 02 WRX today. Fitment was fine, except I had to grind a little off the mounting braket that mounts to the frame. Other than that it fit just fine! I havent driven it yet, but will tomorrow.
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?[/QUOTE]
Crash,
The endlinks need to be one or two turns over snug to slightly compress the bushings. You may notice some clunk after use and may need to adjust.
Read a few threads up for more on the clunking and other views on tightness.
Blue
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?[/QUOTE]
Crash,
The endlinks need to be one or two turns over snug to slightly compress the bushings. You may notice some clunk after use and may need to adjust.
Read a few threads up for more on the clunking and other views on tightness.
Blue
| Smittys_STi | 09-29-2005 09:29 AM |
Also, make sure the brackets that hold the endlinks to the a-arms are uber tight. Go back and tighten them down after a few miles as well. That was the source of my clunking, twice.
| Crash477 | 09-30-2005 01:10 AM |
I tightened the brackets down pretty damn tight, and the endlinks have between 1/4" and 1/2" of thread showing above the nut. I think Im good then.. Thanks
| AUTOwrXER | 10-20-2005 05:04 PM |
I talked to Sam this afternoon, and he mentioned he has some bars in stock and ready to ship. Just though I'd mention it for those who are still considering the bar.
| DrBiggly | 10-20-2005 07:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Crash477]well I installed the 32mm bar on my 02 WRX today. Fitment was fine, except I had to grind a little off the mounting braket that mounts to the frame. Other than that it fit just fine! I havent driven it yet, but will tomorrow.
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?[/QUOTE]
Did you mean the mounting bracket that came with the bar or the mounting for the stock subframe (u-brace, whatever you'd like to call it)? :)
-Biggly is pondering doing it
Also, how much did you all tighten the endlinks down?[/QUOTE]
Did you mean the mounting bracket that came with the bar or the mounting for the stock subframe (u-brace, whatever you'd like to call it)? :)
-Biggly is pondering doing it
| crystalhelix | 10-20-2005 08:18 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Did you mean the mounting bracket that came with the bar or the mounting for the stock subframe (u-brace, whatever you'd like to call it)? :)
-Biggly is pondering doing it[/QUOTE]
Biggly, I had to do this on my STi a while back, there are pic's posted othewise PM me for them. This is a tolerance issue with the frame I think. I have an 04 STi and still had to grind some adjustments. ;)
[IMG]http://spryracing.com/Technical/addcobar/DSCF2671.JPG[/IMG]
-Biggly is pondering doing it[/QUOTE]
Biggly, I had to do this on my STi a while back, there are pic's posted othewise PM me for them. This is a tolerance issue with the frame I think. I have an 04 STi and still had to grind some adjustments. ;)
[IMG]http://spryracing.com/Technical/addcobar/DSCF2671.JPG[/IMG]
| DrBiggly | 10-20-2005 08:31 PM |
The reason I ask is that grinding swaybar mounting bracket: Legal. Grinding something else on the car to make a swaybar fit: Not legal. Thanks for the clarification! :)
-Biggly
-Biggly
| crystalhelix | 10-20-2005 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]The reason I ask is that grinding swaybar mounting bracket: Legal. Grinding something else on the car to make a swaybar fit: Not legal. Thanks for the clarification! :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
w3rd, no problem. You don't need to do anything to the car, only the brackets. Best o luck.
Justin
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
w3rd, no problem. You don't need to do anything to the car, only the brackets. Best o luck.
Justin
| Virgil | 10-21-2005 09:23 AM |
I've had to re-lube the brackets on the bar a couple of times now. I was thinking of drilling a hole through the brackets and the busings and taping in a grease fitting so I could just slap on a grease gun and be done rather than having to take half the car apart. DOes anyone see any major problems with doing this? I'm not sure if it will weaken the bracket or mess up how the bushings work, It doesn't seem like it woul but I thought I'd ask.
| AUTOwrXER | 10-21-2005 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE=Virgil]I've had to re-lube the brackets on the bar a couple of times now. I was thinking of drilling a hole through the brackets and the busings and taping in a grease fitting so I could just slap on a grease gun and be done rather than having to take half the car apart. DOes anyone see any major problems with doing this? I'm not sure if it will weaken the bracket or mess up how the bushings work, It doesn't seem like it woul but I thought I'd ask.[/QUOTE]
That's what Hotchkiss does on their brackets. I would think that you would be fine, unless you plan to cut a big hole.
Out of curiosity, what type of grease are you using? Mine has lasted since April without the need to re-lube.
That's what Hotchkiss does on their brackets. I would think that you would be fine, unless you plan to cut a big hole.
Out of curiosity, what type of grease are you using? Mine has lasted since April without the need to re-lube.
| Virgil | 10-21-2005 11:52 AM |
I can't remember exactly what kind it is. It's just some generic black grease. Says something like for all domestics or some BS like that.
As far as the size of hole I was gonna drill just big enough to tap threads for the fitting.
As far as the size of hole I was gonna drill just big enough to tap threads for the fitting.
| crystalhelix | 10-21-2005 01:15 PM |
Valvoline Synthetic Grease/Lube is what I used (black narsty stuff). It collect's small rocks and it looks like I haven't had single drop of it fall off. It has worked really well. I also coated around the bar to the left and right of the urethane bushing for about 0.5inches to keep the bar lubed.
FYI,
Justin
FYI,
Justin
| AUTOwrXER | 10-21-2005 01:42 PM |
Sam just told me that you should not try to drill the mounts for zirc fittings. They've tried it before and the big bars break them, even the pre-made Energy Suspension kind. Also, try a synthetic wheel bearing grease. It should last much longer.
| sciolist | 10-21-2005 02:03 PM |
As far as bushing lube goes, I've had very good results with this:
[url]http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/drivewerks/wurth/cu1100.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/drivewerks/wurth/cu1100.jpg[/url]
| AUTOwrXER | 10-21-2005 03:28 PM |
[QUOTE=sciolist]As far as bushing lube goes, I've had very good results with this:
[url]http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/drivewerks/wurth/cu1100.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Wurth products rock. Never used this particular kind though...
[url]http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/images/drivewerks/wurth/cu1100.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Wurth products rock. Never used this particular kind though...
| DrBiggly | 10-21-2005 04:40 PM |
Joel,
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly
| afpdl | 10-21-2005 05:50 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Joel,
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Its there, its just hard to find. On the front page put in Subaru, Suspension and Stranoparts as the brand. Then just pick wrx as the model and leave the rest blank.
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Its there, its just hard to find. On the front page put in Subaru, Suspension and Stranoparts as the brand. Then just pick wrx as the model and leave the rest blank.
| crystalhelix | 10-21-2005 07:08 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Joel,
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Calling is super easy. ;)
I briefly searched his site for the bar but did not find it. Is this a "call and ask" item only? :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Calling is super easy. ;)
| Crash477 | 10-22-2005 01:19 AM |
[QUOTE=afpdl]Its there, its just hard to find. On the front page put in Subaru, Suspension and Stranoparts as the brand. Then just pick wrx as the model and leave the rest blank.[/QUOTE]
i did all that exept i selected swaybars instead of wrx. Then I called and talked to them and ordered over the phone. it came in 3 days!!
i did all that exept i selected swaybars instead of wrx. Then I called and talked to them and ordered over the phone. it came in 3 days!!
| afpdl | 10-22-2005 01:28 AM |
The site isnt the most organized Ive ever seen. Arlyn had to tell me where to look as I kept coming up with nothing under Impreza. Its also odd that the sways are advertised on the first page but there is no link to buy.
| Virgil | 10-22-2005 08:28 AM |
Thanks for the update on the fitting Joel. Guess I'll just have to find some better grease and tear her all down again.
| makofoto | 11-02-2005 11:39 AM |
Just weighed a 27 mm Whiteline bar ... 10 lbs. Do we know how much the Stranos bar weighs. Sorry ... haven't read the whole thread if this has already been revealed.
Anyone have any issues with the fact that this high performance Stranos bar has so much compliance with it's rubber insulators ... compared to the usual metal to metal attachment to endlinks ?
Anyone have any issues with the fact that this high performance Stranos bar has so much compliance with it's rubber insulators ... compared to the usual metal to metal attachment to endlinks ?
| crystalhelix | 11-02-2005 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Just weighed a 27 mm Whiteline bar ... 10 lbs. Do we know how much the Stranos bar weighs. Sorry ... haven't read the whole thread if this has already been revealed.
Anyone have any issues with the fact that this high performance Stranos bar has so much compliance with it's rubber insulators ... compared to the usual metal to metal attachment to endlinks ?[/QUOTE]
9lbs plus endlinks. I didn't actually weight it but this is what Sam relayed to me.
Anyone have any issues with the fact that this high performance Stranos bar has so much compliance with it's rubber insulators ... compared to the usual metal to metal attachment to endlinks ?[/QUOTE]
9lbs plus endlinks. I didn't actually weight it but this is what Sam relayed to me.
| AndrewSS | 11-02-2005 01:09 PM |
hey, i just thought i would ask, are you guys using aftermarket endlinks with your big FSB's? I have the whiteline x3006 fsb (27-29) and i am still using the stock endlinks, they seem to be holding up ok, but i was wondering what you guys have done, stock or aftermarket... and if aftermarket which ones?
oh and do you think for winter i should adjust the bar down to 27 instead of the current 29.
and i really like my bar btw im in AS and its a good mod for sure.
oh and do you think for winter i should adjust the bar down to 27 instead of the current 29.
and i really like my bar btw im in AS and its a good mod for sure.
| Crash477 | 11-02-2005 01:12 PM |
the 32mm strano bar comes with endlinks.
| DrBiggly | 11-02-2005 01:23 PM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]hey, i just thought i would ask, are you guys using aftermarket endlinks with your big FSB's? I have the whiteline x3006 fsb (27-29) and i am still using the stock endlinks, they seem to be holding up ok, but i was wondering what you guys have done, stock or aftermarket... and if aftermarket which ones?
oh and do you think for winter i should adjust the bar down to 27 instead of the current 29.
and i really like my bar btw im in AS and its a good mod for sure.[/QUOTE]
The stock endlinks are fine if it's STI or WRX non-wagon. The stock ones are metal pillow-ball style endlinks. The wagon ones are plastic and it wouldn't hurt to be replaced, but otherwise they're fine. Like $30 each from the dealership if you ever manage to break one.
Mako,
As far as the Strano bar goes, I simply look at it as a system. Softer endlinks, but stiffer bar. The endlinks aren't going to make for a whole terrible lot of compliance and even though they are a system, the overall stiffer bar bit should win out in the end. It's all roll reduction as bar/endlinks are doing essentially the same thing when one goes to upgrade.
Hence why I never recommend upgrading stock front endlinks. :)
-Biggly
oh and do you think for winter i should adjust the bar down to 27 instead of the current 29.
and i really like my bar btw im in AS and its a good mod for sure.[/QUOTE]
The stock endlinks are fine if it's STI or WRX non-wagon. The stock ones are metal pillow-ball style endlinks. The wagon ones are plastic and it wouldn't hurt to be replaced, but otherwise they're fine. Like $30 each from the dealership if you ever manage to break one.
Mako,
As far as the Strano bar goes, I simply look at it as a system. Softer endlinks, but stiffer bar. The endlinks aren't going to make for a whole terrible lot of compliance and even though they are a system, the overall stiffer bar bit should win out in the end. It's all roll reduction as bar/endlinks are doing essentially the same thing when one goes to upgrade.
Hence why I never recommend upgrading stock front endlinks. :)
-Biggly
| crystalhelix | 11-02-2005 04:12 PM |
Sam has aske me to relay this message to this thread.
[QUOTE=Sam Strano(verbatim)]
"Let me begin by saying that I have tried time and time to post
responses to specific questions posted here. While I can log into the site, I
cannot actually reply or respond to this (or any) thread. I've
contacted the webmaster several times about this issue with not one response.
So if you have a specific question about the bar, I ask you to please
contact me directly by phone or e-mail. I'm not a sponsor here (and
won't be as long as I can't even "test drive" the site and don't get any
response from the webmaster), so I cannot in good conscience post my
information here. Justin, Joel and others have my contact information if
you'd like to speak to me, and I highly suggest you come to the source
if you'd like solid information.
About the endlinks. Our endlinks are NOT rubber. They are urethane.
This is an important distinction as urethane is much firmer and has
less distortion than does rubber. Also the endlink itself does not
compromise to add stiffness to the rate of a swaybar. The bar is what the
bar is. However, endlinks with play in them make the bar respond more
slowly than tight links do. There is practically no slop in a properly
tightened urethane endlink. Properly being when the bushings have a
slight bulge in them, not hammered flat and not loose enough to be turned
by hand.
If you are worried about any play, you can tighten the links up further
and basically "pre-compress" the bushings even more. However the
result of this is a very sudden car that has a tendency to skate on turn it
because you are bringing a big bar in very quickly and give the tires
no time to deal with the change in load. Basically you can shock the
outside tire into a loss of grip which results in a slide." [/QUOTE]
Thanks,
Justin
[QUOTE=Sam Strano(verbatim)]
"Let me begin by saying that I have tried time and time to post
responses to specific questions posted here. While I can log into the site, I
cannot actually reply or respond to this (or any) thread. I've
contacted the webmaster several times about this issue with not one response.
So if you have a specific question about the bar, I ask you to please
contact me directly by phone or e-mail. I'm not a sponsor here (and
won't be as long as I can't even "test drive" the site and don't get any
response from the webmaster), so I cannot in good conscience post my
information here. Justin, Joel and others have my contact information if
you'd like to speak to me, and I highly suggest you come to the source
if you'd like solid information.
About the endlinks. Our endlinks are NOT rubber. They are urethane.
This is an important distinction as urethane is much firmer and has
less distortion than does rubber. Also the endlink itself does not
compromise to add stiffness to the rate of a swaybar. The bar is what the
bar is. However, endlinks with play in them make the bar respond more
slowly than tight links do. There is practically no slop in a properly
tightened urethane endlink. Properly being when the bushings have a
slight bulge in them, not hammered flat and not loose enough to be turned
by hand.
If you are worried about any play, you can tighten the links up further
and basically "pre-compress" the bushings even more. However the
result of this is a very sudden car that has a tendency to skate on turn it
because you are bringing a big bar in very quickly and give the tires
no time to deal with the change in load. Basically you can shock the
outside tire into a loss of grip which results in a slide." [/QUOTE]
Thanks,
Justin
| austinpike | 11-02-2005 06:17 PM |
Does the subframe need to come off to install the Whiteline bar?
| afpdl | 11-02-2005 06:20 PM |
[QUOTE=austinpike]Does the subframe need to come off to install the Whiteline bar?[/QUOTE]
Yes. It isnt hard to remove though.
Yes. It isnt hard to remove though.
| DrBiggly | 11-02-2005 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=austinpike]Does the subframe need to come off to install the Whiteline bar?[/QUOTE]
It's just a big piece of structural metal under the car held on by bolts. Nothing weird or out of the ordinary.
The bark is far worse than the bite. Perhaps a few extra minutes to remove the bolts? Just seems like a daunting task when in reality it is not. :)
-Biggly
It's just a big piece of structural metal under the car held on by bolts. Nothing weird or out of the ordinary.
The bark is far worse than the bite. Perhaps a few extra minutes to remove the bolts? Just seems like a daunting task when in reality it is not. :)
-Biggly
| crystalhelix | 11-02-2005 06:47 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]It's just a big piece of structural metal under the car held on by bolts. Nothing weird or out of the ordinary.
The bark is far worse than the bite. Perhaps a few extra minutes to remove the bolts? Just seems like a daunting task when in reality it is not. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Or under a minute with an air gun, lol. It's those plastic clippy things that are a pain in the ass.
The bark is far worse than the bite. Perhaps a few extra minutes to remove the bolts? Just seems like a daunting task when in reality it is not. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Or under a minute with an air gun, lol. It's those plastic clippy things that are a pain in the ass.
| makofoto | 11-03-2005 01:40 AM |
A friend took his new 27 mm Whiteline bar to the post office to get an accurate weight on it ... 11.48 lbs.
Another friend installed his 24 mm Whiteline bar yesterday ... w/o taking off the subframe. Just removed the wheels, lift plate and those STI lateral supports (off of the lift plate). Then work it in from the side. Not 100% sure it works with the 27 mm bar ... we'll find out this Sunday however.
Tip ... if you do remove the Subframe ... to re-install ... you put in the rear two bolts ... part way ... and you can then "hang" the subframe off of those two bolts while you start putting in the other bolts. The rear of the subframe is slotted so that it pushes over those two rear bolts. Allows single person installation.
Another friend installed his 24 mm Whiteline bar yesterday ... w/o taking off the subframe. Just removed the wheels, lift plate and those STI lateral supports (off of the lift plate). Then work it in from the side. Not 100% sure it works with the 27 mm bar ... we'll find out this Sunday however.
Tip ... if you do remove the Subframe ... to re-install ... you put in the rear two bolts ... part way ... and you can then "hang" the subframe off of those two bolts while you start putting in the other bolts. The rear of the subframe is slotted so that it pushes over those two rear bolts. Allows single person installation.
| AUTOwrXER | 11-03-2005 04:21 PM |
I'm not surprised about the weight of the solid Whiteline bar. Stock was about 9 lbs IIRC. With the Strano bar you get the weight of the stock piece with more force than the Whiteline 29mm ;)
Hollow bars are always the way to go IMO, except in applications where there is not enough space to go as large as you'd like to.
Hollow bars are always the way to go IMO, except in applications where there is not enough space to go as large as you'd like to.
| AtomicRacer | 11-03-2005 05:36 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]I'm not surprised about the weight of the solid Whiteline bar. Stock was about 9 lbs IIRC. With the Strano bar you get the weight of the stock piece with more force than the Whiteline 29mm ;)
Hollow bars are always the way to go IMO, except in applications where there is not enough space to go as large as you'd like to.[/QUOTE]
If I recall your numbers Joel, didn't you state some time ago that the 32mm hollow bar = a 29+mm solid? So they are pretty damn close (with the hollow being lighter by 2.5lbs). Or is my feeble 39 year old memory failing me?
-Paul
Hollow bars are always the way to go IMO, except in applications where there is not enough space to go as large as you'd like to.[/QUOTE]
If I recall your numbers Joel, didn't you state some time ago that the 32mm hollow bar = a 29+mm solid? So they are pretty damn close (with the hollow being lighter by 2.5lbs). Or is my feeble 39 year old memory failing me?
-Paul
| trhoppe | 11-03-2005 05:42 PM |
Its a little big stiffer then the 29mm.
-Tom
-Tom
| AtomicRacer | 11-03-2005 07:42 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]OK so I broke out my notes this morning. The Strano bar is 45% stiffer than a solid 27mm. The solid equivalent bar would be 29.64mm.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected.
-Paul
I stand corrected.
-Paul
| AndrewSS | 11-03-2005 08:18 PM |
do you think that you would actually notice an advantage of the strano 32 vs the whiteline 29 ?
| funsti | 11-03-2005 08:25 PM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]do you think that you would actually notice an advantage of the strano 32 vs the whiteline 29 ?[/QUOTE]
Well your wallet will notice the advantage that's for sure. The Strano comes with endlinks.
-JWM
Well your wallet will notice the advantage that's for sure. The Strano comes with endlinks.
-JWM
| AndrewSS | 11-03-2005 08:28 PM |
from what i have heard the front stock endlinks are fine on the STi
| funsti | 11-03-2005 08:40 PM |
The stock endlinks won't work with the Strano bar but that's ok because it comes with its own. Here's a [url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10741499&postcount=242]picture[/url] of what the bar looks like installed.
-JWM
-JWM
| drees | 11-03-2005 09:25 PM |
Right, but the stock links will work with the Whiteline bar.
| makofoto | 11-03-2005 09:27 PM |
When do you know you have too much front bar ?
What's the maximum spring rate one might run with the Stranos bar ... using 245 Kuhmo 710's ...
What's the maximum spring rate one might run with the Stranos bar ... using 245 Kuhmo 710's ...
| funsti | 11-03-2005 09:57 PM |
Yea the stock endlinks will work fine on a car with full suspension I'm sure. I got the Whiteline endlinks with my Whiteline RSB out of paranoia. I (now) know others who use the stock endlinks with no problems (dowroa). Isn't it just on huge race tires and stock springs that people start breaking wimpy stock endlinks (i.e. A-stock)?
-JWM
-JWM
| DrBiggly | 11-03-2005 11:46 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]Yea the stock endlinks will work fine on a car with full suspension I'm sure. I got the Whiteline endlinks with my Whiteline RSB out of paranoia. I (now) know others who use the stock endlinks with no problems (dowroa). Isn't it just on huge race tires and stock springs that people start breaking wimpy stock endlinks (i.e. A-stock)?
-JWM[/QUOTE]
Wimpy stock endlink list:
WRX Sedan rear.
WRX Wagon front and rear.
STi: None.
2.5RS: Unknown
The STi and WRX both comes with beefy solid-metal pillowball endlinks on the front, and the STi has another pair of beefy solid endlinks in the rear. Folks commonly bend the STi rear ones when they install the bar improperly and it gets "flipped." Seen many a post about it.
The "wimpy" stock endlinks are the plastic bits which could bend practically in half before breaking is my bet. I've yet to hear of anyone breaking a crappy stock plastic one at this point; likely due to the huge amount of compliance that they have. They just don't contribute in any meaningful way to overall roll stiffness like a solid endlink or aftermarket endlink does. :)
-Biggly
-JWM[/QUOTE]
Wimpy stock endlink list:
WRX Sedan rear.
WRX Wagon front and rear.
STi: None.
2.5RS: Unknown
The STi and WRX both comes with beefy solid-metal pillowball endlinks on the front, and the STi has another pair of beefy solid endlinks in the rear. Folks commonly bend the STi rear ones when they install the bar improperly and it gets "flipped." Seen many a post about it.
The "wimpy" stock endlinks are the plastic bits which could bend practically in half before breaking is my bet. I've yet to hear of anyone breaking a crappy stock plastic one at this point; likely due to the huge amount of compliance that they have. They just don't contribute in any meaningful way to overall roll stiffness like a solid endlink or aftermarket endlink does. :)
-Biggly
| AUTOwrXER | 11-10-2005 11:14 PM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]do you think that you would actually notice an advantage of the strano 32 vs the whiteline 29 ?[/QUOTE]
The Strano bar is about 10% stiffer and significantly lighter.
The Strano bar is about 10% stiffer and significantly lighter.
| crystalhelix | 11-11-2005 12:07 AM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]do you think that you would actually notice an advantage of the strano 32 vs the whiteline 29 ?[/QUOTE]
On that same note, lol. IT LOOKS MEAN! You could protect yourself in a dark NewYork alley with this thing. :devil:
On that same note, lol. IT LOOKS MEAN! You could protect yourself in a dark NewYork alley with this thing. :devil:
| AndrewSS | 11-11-2005 01:15 AM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]On that same note, lol. IT LOOKS MEAN! You could protect yourself in a dark NewYork alley with this thing. :devil:[/QUOTE]
but..... the whiteline x3006 is a bit heavier so, you could do more damage :lol: :banana:
but..... the whiteline x3006 is a bit heavier so, you could do more damage :lol: :banana:
| bfarm | 11-11-2005 09:11 AM |
[QUOTE=AndrewSS]but..... the whiteline x3006 is a bit heavier so, you could do more damage :lol: :banana:[/QUOTE]
You could accelerate the swing of the Strano bar more with the same force of swing due to less mass :lol: :disco:
You could accelerate the swing of the Strano bar more with the same force of swing due to less mass :lol: :disco:
| makofoto | 11-11-2005 09:18 AM |
Although National Champ Josh Sortor was still using the stock WRX rear endlinks last time I looked. :p :huh:
| rkevans | 11-15-2005 04:39 PM |
1. I have the big (32mm Strano) bar. I need to take it off this weekend to re-lube and adjust. It's starting to get noisy.
2. I have been autocrossing for almost 2 years, but not every month. Roughly 12 events total.
3. I'm jumping from AS to BSP/STU next season. I know I will be grossly underprepped, but I'm tired of living by the Stock class rules... Trophies are less important to me right now than 'grin factor.' I'm not even sure I know what that means... :)
4. The big front bar is currently my only performance mod. ('04 STi)
5. I have a small collection of tires for next year. Kumho MX 245/40 and Victoracer 225/45 on stock-sized wheels. I'd prefer to use these choices for now. Next time I see a great deal on wider wheels, I might buy them, but that's hard to schedule.
6. Other mods I'm considering (strongly) are 'Pink' (or similar) springs and RCE front camber plates. For the purposes of this posting, it would be fair to assume I'd install them by April '06. Steering bushings will be installed the moment they're legal (Jan '06, I think).
7. I intend to take another 2 or 3 Evo schools next season. I've taken 5 days so far. I understand that I should really improve my driving before making changes to the car.
8. I've only driven at one autox with the big bar. It was great in the slalom section(s) but seemed to have worse understeer than stock in two 'sweeper' sections. I'm willing to accept that this is entirely my fault...
I want to buy a rear sway bar. I'm looking at Whiteline, but I'm not married to the brand.
Should I buy the 22 or 24mm bar?
Rick
2. I have been autocrossing for almost 2 years, but not every month. Roughly 12 events total.
3. I'm jumping from AS to BSP/STU next season. I know I will be grossly underprepped, but I'm tired of living by the Stock class rules... Trophies are less important to me right now than 'grin factor.' I'm not even sure I know what that means... :)
4. The big front bar is currently my only performance mod. ('04 STi)
5. I have a small collection of tires for next year. Kumho MX 245/40 and Victoracer 225/45 on stock-sized wheels. I'd prefer to use these choices for now. Next time I see a great deal on wider wheels, I might buy them, but that's hard to schedule.
6. Other mods I'm considering (strongly) are 'Pink' (or similar) springs and RCE front camber plates. For the purposes of this posting, it would be fair to assume I'd install them by April '06. Steering bushings will be installed the moment they're legal (Jan '06, I think).
7. I intend to take another 2 or 3 Evo schools next season. I've taken 5 days so far. I understand that I should really improve my driving before making changes to the car.
8. I've only driven at one autox with the big bar. It was great in the slalom section(s) but seemed to have worse understeer than stock in two 'sweeper' sections. I'm willing to accept that this is entirely my fault...
I want to buy a rear sway bar. I'm looking at Whiteline, but I'm not married to the brand.
Should I buy the 22 or 24mm bar?
Rick
| funsti | 11-15-2005 06:24 PM |
Yes the Strano 32mm FSB is begging to be balanced out by a stiffer rear bar IMO. BUT that doesn't mean getting a bar with similar stiffness to the 32mm Strano; if you do I can guarantee the car will be sliding all over the place!
I've had wonderful results from my Whiteline BSR37XZ 24mm adjustable rear bar.
STU/BSP? [jedi mind trick]STU is the class you want to be in.[/jedi mind trick]
-JWM
I've had wonderful results from my Whiteline BSR37XZ 24mm adjustable rear bar.
STU/BSP? [jedi mind trick]STU is the class you want to be in.[/jedi mind trick]
-JWM
| rkevans | 11-15-2005 07:07 PM |
[QUOTE=funsti]I've had wonderful results from my Whiteline BSR37XZ 24mm adjustable rear bar.
STU/BSP? [jedi mind trick]STU is the class you want to be in.[/jedi mind trick]
-JWM[/QUOTE]
[glazed expression] I think I'll compete in STU next year... [/glazed expression]
That's one vote for the 24mm...
Rick
STU/BSP? [jedi mind trick]STU is the class you want to be in.[/jedi mind trick]
-JWM[/QUOTE]
[glazed expression] I think I'll compete in STU next year... [/glazed expression]
That's one vote for the 24mm...
Rick
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