| leecea | 09-20-2006 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15262653]
"Well, we built the car, who's gonna drive it?"
[/QUOTE]
It would be cool to get Julie Stepan, especially if the other team has no idea who she is.
"Well, we built the car, who's gonna drive it?"
[/QUOTE]
It would be cool to get Julie Stepan, especially if the other team has no idea who she is.
| QuikWgn | 09-20-2006 09:21 PM |
I'm going to try and talk to Nate when I go to the Pinks taping @ PTR this weekend in Seattle. They are already taping for next year (season 4) so we'll see what happens.
| TheDocta | 09-24-2006 06:21 PM |
[QUOTE=QuikWgn;15321155]I'm going to try and talk to Nate when I go to the Pinks taping @ PTR this weekend in Seattle. They are already taping for next year (season 4) so we'll see what happens.[/QUOTE]
what happened?
what happened?
| bobturismo | 09-24-2006 06:24 PM |
The problem is you need a car with a broad powerband that can accelerate well at any rpm. Trying to sandbag an AWD turbo 4 cylinder will jsut fall on it's face and needs an ultra perfect start to extract teh best time.
Rwd is the ultimate drag vehicle.
Rwd is the ultimate drag vehicle.
| TheDocta | 09-24-2006 06:32 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15365395]The problem is you need a car with a broad powerband that can accelerate well at any rpm. Trying to sandbag an AWD turbo 4 cylinder will jsut fall on it's face and needs an ultra perfect start to extract teh best time.
Rwd is the ultimate drag vehicle.[/QUOTE]
we would go up against an evo most likely and we would try to have it make power through most of the powerband and it would be an auto most likely so launching wouldnt be a problem
Rwd is the ultimate drag vehicle.[/QUOTE]
we would go up against an evo most likely and we would try to have it make power through most of the powerband and it would be an auto most likely so launching wouldnt be a problem
| WRXedUSA | 09-24-2006 06:35 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15319283]Motorsports? :huh:[/QUOTE]
This is the ultimate "vagabond" of a thread.
This is the ultimate "vagabond" of a thread.
| bobturismo | 09-24-2006 06:40 PM |
[QUOTE=TheDocta;15365468]we would go up against an evo most likely and we would try to have it make power through most of the powerband and it would be an auto most likely so launching wouldnt be a problem[/QUOTE]
See I wouldn't enter unless I had some edge, the problem with taht show it's a "best of" race not a "one time". On top of which, those guys on the show don't know what the **** they are talking about and it doesn't help when they interfere with negotiating. ALL the winning is done at the table and knowing what the other guy has and is capable of.
See I wouldn't enter unless I had some edge, the problem with taht show it's a "best of" race not a "one time". On top of which, those guys on the show don't know what the **** they are talking about and it doesn't help when they interfere with negotiating. ALL the winning is done at the table and knowing what the other guy has and is capable of.
| TheDocta | 09-24-2006 06:42 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15365547]See I wouldn't enter unless I had some edge, the problem with taht show it's a "best of" race not a "one time". On top of which, those guys on the show don't know what the **** they are talking about and it doesn't help when they interfere with negotiating. ALL the winning is done at the table and knowing what the other guy has and is capable of.[/QUOTE]
yup thats why we would need a dominate car from the start, we would need a car that could beat em by 4 or 5 cars easy every time, then just sand bag and fender race
yup thats why we would need a dominate car from the start, we would need a car that could beat em by 4 or 5 cars easy every time, then just sand bag and fender race
| 2002WRXSTi | 09-24-2006 08:02 PM |
A lot of the cars fail mechanically. Building a completely dominant car if not going to be possible for this. The auto will be a major advantage but also a large chunk of money!
It would be nice to hope that the EVO guys would build a big HP engine with NOS and break something in the drive train in the second round? There are way to many possibilities no matter what :(
It would be nice to hope that the EVO guys would build a big HP engine with NOS and break something in the drive train in the second round? There are way to many possibilities no matter what :(
| TheDocta | 09-24-2006 08:58 PM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;15366275]A lot of the cars fail mechanically. Building a completely dominant car if not going to be possible for this. The auto will be a major advantage but also a large chunk of money!
It would be nice to hope that the EVO guys would build a big HP engine with NOS and break something in the drive train in the second round? There are way to many possibilities no matter what :([/QUOTE]
yah but as a community im sure we could come up with something, we have a lot people are willing to donate plus what people would sponsor and we could also scrounge stuff here and there i think if we wanted to really get this going we could without a problem
we have guys willing to donate money, guys willing to give up cars, guys that will fly in to help build it
we just need a leader
It would be nice to hope that the EVO guys would build a big HP engine with NOS and break something in the drive train in the second round? There are way to many possibilities no matter what :([/QUOTE]
yah but as a community im sure we could come up with something, we have a lot people are willing to donate plus what people would sponsor and we could also scrounge stuff here and there i think if we wanted to really get this going we could without a problem
we have guys willing to donate money, guys willing to give up cars, guys that will fly in to help build it
we just need a leader
| 2002WRXSTi | 09-24-2006 09:17 PM |
[QUOTE=TheDocta;15366794]yah but as a community im sure we could come up with something, we have a lot people are willing to donate plus what people would sponsor and we could also scrounge stuff here and there i think if we wanted to really get this going we could without a problem
we have guys willing to donate money, guys willing to give up cars, guys that will fly in to help build it
we just need a leader[/QUOTE]
Yeah but what I'm saying is the Auto trans will cost more than an entire car unfortunately :(
we have guys willing to donate money, guys willing to give up cars, guys that will fly in to help build it
we just need a leader[/QUOTE]
Yeah but what I'm saying is the Auto trans will cost more than an entire car unfortunately :(
| Homemade WRX | 09-24-2006 11:06 PM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;15367000]Yeah but what I'm saying is the Auto trans will cost more than an entire car unfortunately :([/QUOTE]
that is why you run a ppg set...four shifts and hell, the evo is going to have to shift too...
that is why you run a ppg set...four shifts and hell, the evo is going to have to shift too...
| 2002WRXSTi | 09-24-2006 11:33 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;15367985]that is why you run a ppg set...four shifts and hell, the evo is going to have to shift too...[/QUOTE]
Yeah but your not all that far off of the Auto at that point ;)
Yeah but your not all that far off of the Auto at that point ;)
| ROC pit-bull | 09-25-2006 02:07 AM |
If this gets past the talking stage and someone becomes serious and begins a seriious effort I may be will to neg. something with my ej257 short block with cobb internals.
| Calamity Jesus | 09-25-2006 08:26 AM |
I had no idea so many people watched that dumb show, much less wanted to be on it... :confused:
| TheDocta | 09-25-2006 09:37 AM |
We Need Someone To Volenteer As The Leader Of The Project
| QuikWgn | 09-25-2006 04:52 PM |
Sorry...I had a death in the family that I was in the middle of dealing with while all this was going on. I was not that impressed when I went to the taping @ PTR in Seattle. They kept the gates closed til 5pm and there were miles of traffic backed up like it was the NHRA nationals. Even though we were there early by the time the gates opened, we were parked,(between 3 evos no less) and walked the mile to the willcall booth to get our prepaid tickets they had already run the first 2 passes of the first episode (a 69 Camaro vs an 80 Something turbo Malibu). They didn't broadcast the negotiations over the PA because it would cause reverb so you had to call in toll free but burning up minutes on your cell phone if you wanted to listen in. The entire "spectator side" where most of the people were had no concessions open except the $5 beer line and we waitied in line for over an hour for the one concession line that was serving food to everyone(the track rules state no coolers etc over a 6-pack size so bringing food and beverages for 5 people was out of the question though a lot of people who got to park close ferried their own beers etc from their cars). While we waited(and spent $50+) we missed the first 2 races of the second episode and got to see the last race of a 3 and out. They did say the cast would stay and sign autographs and stuff but so many people stayed that it would've been another couple hours(it was already almost 10pm and I had a 40+ mile drive home through metro Seattle still to go) before I got to talk to anyone, and the g/f was having none of that and I didn't see any sign up booths or places were you could talk to someone about participating in a future show. I won't go into how everyone thought they were John Force on the way out of the track but it took 45 mins just to make it to the first public road.
| TheDocta | 09-25-2006 08:10 PM |
[QUOTE=QuikWgn;15377466]Sorry...I had a death in the family that I was in the middle of dealing with while all this was going on. I was not that impressed when I went to the taping @ PTR in Seattle. They kept the gates closed til 5pm and there were miles of traffic backed up like it was the NHRA nationals. Even though we were there early by the time the gates opened, we were parked,(between 3 evos no less) and walked the mile to the willcall booth to get our prepaid tickets they had already run the first 2 passes of the first episode (a 69 Camaro vs an 80 Something turbo Malibu). They didn't broadcast the negotiations over the PA because it would cause reverb so you had to call in toll free but burning up minutes on your cell phone if you wanted to listen in. The entire "spectator side" where most of the people were had no concessions open except the $5 beer line and we waitied in line for over an hour for the one concession line that was serving food to everyone(the track rules state no coolers etc over a 6-pack size so bringing food and beverages for 5 people was out of the question though a lot of people who got to park close ferried their own beers etc from their cars). While we waited(and spent $50+) we missed the first 2 races of the second episode and got to see the last race of a 3 and out. They did say the cast would stay and sign autographs and stuff but so many people stayed that it would've been another couple hours(it was already almost 10pm and I had a 40+ mile drive home through metro Seattle still to go) before I got to talk to anyone, and the g/f was having none of that and I didn't see any sign up booths or places were you could talk to someone about participating in a future show. I won't go into how everyone thought they were John Force on the way out of the track but it took 45 mins just to make it to the first public road.[/QUOTE]
sorry about the loss and sad to hear that the event sucked
but hopefully we can still get this ball rolling
sorry about the loss and sad to hear that the event sucked
but hopefully we can still get this ball rolling
| bobturismo | 09-25-2006 09:22 PM |
if you guys are serious about this, you need a member who owns a shop. But someone that is uber reliable and isn't gonna be shady.
It would be better if you had a shop that was WELL known on here that everyone could just send parts/money too, one that would run a thread constantly updating it with teh list of parts/money people sent in and what was done to the car.
It would be better if you had a shop that was WELL known on here that everyone could just send parts/money too, one that would run a thread constantly updating it with teh list of parts/money people sent in and what was done to the car.
| TheDocta | 09-25-2006 09:43 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15381196]if you guys are serious about this, you need a member who owns a shop. But someone that is uber reliable and isn't gonna be shady.
It would be better if you had a shop that was WELL known on here that everyone could just send parts/money too, one that would run a thread constantly updating it with teh list of parts/money people sent in and what was done to the car.[/QUOTE]
i wask talking to a few guys on here and we were hoping to gain sponsorship from precision tuning in brick nj or another big auto shop in the tri state area as the main shop
but we wanted to make sure we were going to do it before we asked
It would be better if you had a shop that was WELL known on here that everyone could just send parts/money too, one that would run a thread constantly updating it with teh list of parts/money people sent in and what was done to the car.[/QUOTE]
i wask talking to a few guys on here and we were hoping to gain sponsorship from precision tuning in brick nj or another big auto shop in the tri state area as the main shop
but we wanted to make sure we were going to do it before we asked
| 2002WRXSTi | 09-25-2006 10:16 PM |
[QUOTE=TheDocta;15381469]i wask talking to a few guys on here and we were hoping to gain sponsorship from precision tuning in brick nj or another big auto shop in the tri state area as the main shop
but we wanted to make sure we were going to do it before we asked[/QUOTE]
I was just down at PT last week I think and was going to mention it to Rich but it completely slipped my mind :(
but we wanted to make sure we were going to do it before we asked[/QUOTE]
I was just down at PT last week I think and was going to mention it to Rich but it completely slipped my mind :(
| bobturismo | 09-25-2006 10:57 PM |
I would start a another thread and link it to this one, and list everyone's name that is interested in the first post, than edit it and add people as more people express interest. Once you start getting hte ball rolling, it might not be hard to get at least a several thousand if a bunch of people donate $1, if not $10k +
| TheDocta | 09-26-2006 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15382370]I would start a another thread and link it to this one, and list everyone's name that is interested in the first post, than edit it and add people as more people express interest. Once you start getting hte ball rolling, it might not be hard to get at least a several thousand if a bunch of people donate $1, if not $10k +[/QUOTE]
why dont u step up and start the thread and do the list?
why dont u step up and start the thread and do the list?
| 83Rabbit | 09-26-2006 06:34 PM |
[QUOTE=c'dalerider;15005260]Im surprised Crawford would not jump at this chance.
id donate money.
I also hope the theory that the looser gets his car back is true. I talked to my Boss.... i mean busness partner bout this awhile ago and he was concerned about loosing a car, but did tell me he would build a older vw rabbit 1.8-2.0 block (bulitproof blocks) and add like a 200-300 NO2 shot to it, into an old gutted and caged vw rabbit that he has. Loosing that car would not be as bad as loosing a suby.[/QUOTE]
you can build a 2.0 A3 8v Rabbit for less than a grand with a decent NO2 system... Youll still have tons of traction problems and I doubt the car would last with a 200-300 NO2 system lol.
Maybe if you threw in EI or an audi 5k fueling system or something, but still, to build a competetive rabbit would be VERY hard for something like pinks. Most 2.0 A3s or ABAs that are 8vs do 14s at best. A 16v can get you into the 13's.
id donate money.
I also hope the theory that the looser gets his car back is true. I talked to my Boss.... i mean busness partner bout this awhile ago and he was concerned about loosing a car, but did tell me he would build a older vw rabbit 1.8-2.0 block (bulitproof blocks) and add like a 200-300 NO2 shot to it, into an old gutted and caged vw rabbit that he has. Loosing that car would not be as bad as loosing a suby.[/QUOTE]
you can build a 2.0 A3 8v Rabbit for less than a grand with a decent NO2 system... Youll still have tons of traction problems and I doubt the car would last with a 200-300 NO2 system lol.
Maybe if you threw in EI or an audi 5k fueling system or something, but still, to build a competetive rabbit would be VERY hard for something like pinks. Most 2.0 A3s or ABAs that are 8vs do 14s at best. A 16v can get you into the 13's.
| 2002WRXSTi | 09-26-2006 07:11 PM |
[QUOTE=83Rabbit;15393620]you can build a 2.0 A3 8v Rabbit for less than a grand with a decent NO2 system... Youll still have tons of traction problems and I doubt the car would last with a 200-300 NO2 system lol.
Maybe if you threw in EI or an audi 5k fueling system or something, but still, to build a competetive rabbit would be VERY hard for something like pinks. Most 2.0 A3s or ABAs that are 8vs do 14s at best. A 16v can get you into the 13's.[/QUOTE]
Build a 60's Beetle, it will be cheaper and will really be a sleeper :devil:
Maybe if you threw in EI or an audi 5k fueling system or something, but still, to build a competetive rabbit would be VERY hard for something like pinks. Most 2.0 A3s or ABAs that are 8vs do 14s at best. A 16v can get you into the 13's.[/QUOTE]
Build a 60's Beetle, it will be cheaper and will really be a sleeper :devil:
| bobturismo | 09-28-2006 03:15 PM |
[QUOTE=TheDocta;15388488]why dont u step up and start the thread and do the list?[/QUOTE]
One, because most of you guys are on the other side of the country.
Two, I don't mind helpin out, but that's as far as my interest goes, my approach would be totally different than what everyone wants.
Three I was thinkin' that you would be a good candidate. I know alot of people chimed in at first, but it's real easy to lose interest, so it might take a little bit to see who's really interested.
One, because most of you guys are on the other side of the country.
Two, I don't mind helpin out, but that's as far as my interest goes, my approach would be totally different than what everyone wants.
Three I was thinkin' that you would be a good candidate. I know alot of people chimed in at first, but it's real easy to lose interest, so it might take a little bit to see who's really interested.
| TheDocta | 09-28-2006 06:38 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;15420195]One, because most of you guys are on the other side of the country.
Two, I don't mind helpin out, but that's as far as my interest goes, my approach would be totally different than what everyone wants.
Three I was thinkin' that you would be a good candidate. I know alot of people chimed in at first, but it's real easy to lose interest, so it might take a little bit to see who's really interested.[/QUOTE]
Who? me?
as interested as i am in this build and as much time as i would be willing to put into it, fact of the matter is that i am to young to be taken serious by most people, when i dont tell them my age they always listen but when they find out that i am young they automatically write me off no matter how much i know or how right i am, i know that i am qualified because i have a lot of trainning in building things of this nature, although i have never had chance to work on car in school i have a pretty extensive building background
Two, I don't mind helpin out, but that's as far as my interest goes, my approach would be totally different than what everyone wants.
Three I was thinkin' that you would be a good candidate. I know alot of people chimed in at first, but it's real easy to lose interest, so it might take a little bit to see who's really interested.[/QUOTE]
Who? me?
as interested as i am in this build and as much time as i would be willing to put into it, fact of the matter is that i am to young to be taken serious by most people, when i dont tell them my age they always listen but when they find out that i am young they automatically write me off no matter how much i know or how right i am, i know that i am qualified because i have a lot of trainning in building things of this nature, although i have never had chance to work on car in school i have a pretty extensive building background
| svx'ed | 03-10-2007 12:16 AM |
*crickets*
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This idea was awesome.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This idea was awesome.
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-10-2007 09:29 AM |
I just watched the last Pinks I had recorded on my Tivo and saw Rich Christensen go down on that crotch rocket :lol:
| Don-HRD | 03-10-2007 10:21 AM |
Funny how every forum I know of had a thread about this and almost nothing came out of any of them.
| QuikWgn | 03-10-2007 02:29 PM |
I had a wrecked gc8 all lined up for $1400 as a base for the project but nobody could agree on who should build or drive it!
| bobturismo | 03-10-2007 06:06 PM |
[QUOTE=QuikWgn;17309994]I had a wrecked gc8 all lined up for $1400 as a base for the project but nobody could agree on who should build or drive it![/QUOTE]
too flashy and too heavy. it would be better to do something like a brat or one of the older, lighter cars and just completely swap everything into it. So you would have an STI drivetrain with baically nothing on top.
too flashy and too heavy. it would be better to do something like a brat or one of the older, lighter cars and just completely swap everything into it. So you would have an STI drivetrain with baically nothing on top.
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-10-2007 06:19 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17311264]too flashy and too heavy. it would be better to do something like a brat or one of the older, lighter cars and just completely swap everything into it. So you would have an STI drivetrain with baically nothing on top.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but the lighter stuff is not a direct swap. I want to get a Brat and put my Spec-C engine in it but drivetrain problems will arise :(
Yeah but the lighter stuff is not a direct swap. I want to get a Brat and put my Spec-C engine in it but drivetrain problems will arise :(
| bobturismo | 03-10-2007 06:21 PM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17311345]Yeah but the lighter stuff is not a direct swap. I want to get a Brat and put my Spec-C engine in it but drivetrain problems will arise :([/QUOTE]
Not when you have a plasma cutter and a welder. I haven't looked at a brat, but once you take out those suspension cradles, you simply mount them to the chassis. I know a bunch of people in Austraila did, can't be THAThard.
Not when you have a plasma cutter and a welder. I haven't looked at a brat, but once you take out those suspension cradles, you simply mount them to the chassis. I know a bunch of people in Austraila did, can't be THAThard.
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-10-2007 06:36 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17311369]Not when you have a plasma cutter and a welder. I haven't looked at a brat, but once you take out those suspension cradles, you simply mount them to the chassis. I know a bunch of people in Austraila did, can't be THAThard.[/QUOTE]
If ya think it's that easy go for it but I am a machinist and fabricator. So I know no matter how much you cut outta the way to make room you still need things to attach to after the cutting. Then comes drive shafts and axles cause they aren't Drive Shaft Shop normal order stuff.
The more different you make it the more it's gonna cost and the more headaches you gonna have.
If ya think it's that easy go for it but I am a machinist and fabricator. So I know no matter how much you cut outta the way to make room you still need things to attach to after the cutting. Then comes drive shafts and axles cause they aren't Drive Shaft Shop normal order stuff.
The more different you make it the more it's gonna cost and the more headaches you gonna have.
| r.o.b | 03-10-2007 09:24 PM |
i just jumped in on this thread and havent read all the pages, but instead of building something just for pinks why not get something for nasioc to drag around to different race events, maybe even a rally or two. Nasioc is a huge community and with the amount of ppl we have on here also lie a lot of contacts within. I'm sure we could get a well sponsored car and find a good driver on here (prob one of the owners of the site).
| silver arrow | 03-10-2007 11:20 PM |
I will let all of you sponsor me. I have a mildly prepped STi that I autocross in the Buccaneer Region. Did pretty well last year, but have been low on funds this year. I would be more than happy to let anyone of you sponsor me and co drive. :lol: :lol: :lol: BTW need a new get of AD07's next month so pay up bishes. :D
| bobturismo | 03-11-2007 03:05 AM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17311484]If ya think it's that easy go for it but I am a machinist and fabricator. So I know no matter how much you cut outta the way to make room you still need things to attach to after the cutting. Then comes drive shafts and axles cause they aren't Drive Shaft Shop normal order stuff.
The more different you make it the more it's gonna cost and the more headaches you gonna have.[/QUOTE]
axles? I don't know what you "machine" or "fabricate", but I build rifle systems for the military and build custom vehicles.
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.
The more different you make it the more it's gonna cost and the more headaches you gonna have.[/QUOTE]
axles? I don't know what you "machine" or "fabricate", but I build rifle systems for the military and build custom vehicles.
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.
| sperry7 | 03-11-2007 03:42 AM |
I made an effort to read all the pages but stopped at about seven...
Someone make some Cliff notes and put them in the first post. Thread like this needs more direction or it is worthless. OP want to step up I'm sure you have read all this.
I will paypal money no doubt if this goes down.
Someone make some Cliff notes and put them in the first post. Thread like this needs more direction or it is worthless. OP want to step up I'm sure you have read all this.
I will paypal money no doubt if this goes down.
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-11-2007 03:47 AM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17314433]axles? I don't know what you "machine" or "fabricate", but I build rifle systems for the military and build custom vehicles.
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you have done all this stuff to all these things with you welder and plasma cutter and it comes down to your experience form building rifle systems? Ok good luck with that then.
My stuff fought in the Gulf War, stuff orbiting the earth still and is controlling nuclear reactor cooling systems to this day. The shop where I had my personal machine shop was one of the top Super Stock engine builders in the world who's car sold for over 1 Million on Barret Jackson but I wouldn't be able to understand how to cut and smack a [B]STRUT SUSPENSION[/B] into a vehicle that is smaller and narrower than a STi.
You are talking about unibody cars with Strut suspensions. Please pick up a dirt cheap Brat someplace and do an STi swap to show me how wrong I am I beg of you. $60 drive shaft for a 9 sec car :confused:
You assemble guns for the US Military. I machined ALL components for air to surface missile systems. I machined circuit mounting housings for US satellites that are still letting you use your Cell Phones. I along with the Engineers modified the steam release cylinders for Nuclear Reactors. Not just followed instructions on putting it together and way back in the day before the lift laws hit the scene I was paid to build more lifted 4x4's than I care to remember. Ya know what? They where straight axles so it was real easy to cut and weld something onto em. Even the IFS front suspension ones where easy to modify cause the stuff you got for em specified what to cut off and move. Yeah you assemble guns, now when you go to work make a new half shaft and put it in your car and see how long it lasts??
Sorry but your stuff ain't gonna pass tech at a track for something that is going into the 9's. Your talking about making street and dirt toys :huh:
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you have done all this stuff to all these things with you welder and plasma cutter and it comes down to your experience form building rifle systems? Ok good luck with that then.
My stuff fought in the Gulf War, stuff orbiting the earth still and is controlling nuclear reactor cooling systems to this day. The shop where I had my personal machine shop was one of the top Super Stock engine builders in the world who's car sold for over 1 Million on Barret Jackson but I wouldn't be able to understand how to cut and smack a [B]STRUT SUSPENSION[/B] into a vehicle that is smaller and narrower than a STi.
You are talking about unibody cars with Strut suspensions. Please pick up a dirt cheap Brat someplace and do an STi swap to show me how wrong I am I beg of you. $60 drive shaft for a 9 sec car :confused:
You assemble guns for the US Military. I machined ALL components for air to surface missile systems. I machined circuit mounting housings for US satellites that are still letting you use your Cell Phones. I along with the Engineers modified the steam release cylinders for Nuclear Reactors. Not just followed instructions on putting it together and way back in the day before the lift laws hit the scene I was paid to build more lifted 4x4's than I care to remember. Ya know what? They where straight axles so it was real easy to cut and weld something onto em. Even the IFS front suspension ones where easy to modify cause the stuff you got for em specified what to cut off and move. Yeah you assemble guns, now when you go to work make a new half shaft and put it in your car and see how long it lasts??
Sorry but your stuff ain't gonna pass tech at a track for something that is going into the 9's. Your talking about making street and dirt toys :huh:
| White 2.5rs | 03-11-2007 04:17 AM |
*Yard Sticking*
Both of you...STHU now...
Both of you...STHU now...
| Homemade WRX | 03-11-2007 11:00 AM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17311264]too flashy and too heavy. it would be better to do something like a brat or one of the older, lighter cars and just completely swap everything into it. So you would have an STI drivetrain with baically nothing on top.[/QUOTE]
are you kidding me...from the factory a 94 L AWD (4 door of course) started at 2500 lbs...definately too heavy and how is it flashy? when the car is trapping 130 mph I think the aero might be a bit more beneficial on the impreza than on a box ;)
besides the headache (yes I build custom cars and ground up formula cars...big woop) the ease of getting off the shelf parts and not having to hack and ghetto fab an entire car together would be worth the time savings and money savings (no custom parts)
are you kidding me...from the factory a 94 L AWD (4 door of course) started at 2500 lbs...definately too heavy and how is it flashy? when the car is trapping 130 mph I think the aero might be a bit more beneficial on the impreza than on a box ;)
besides the headache (yes I build custom cars and ground up formula cars...big woop) the ease of getting off the shelf parts and not having to hack and ghetto fab an entire car together would be worth the time savings and money savings (no custom parts)
| rebizap | 03-11-2007 06:49 PM |
Just an idea but what about fabbed up sparse tube chassi with a subie drivetrain. In my opinion its more of a subie if its a subie drivetrain in a nonsubie body, than a V8 in a subie body. I would think that you could make the tube chassi and then just attach the body pannels of choice(Gc8, bugeye, brat or what ever can be scraped up.) weld the door pannels on climb through the windows. How does the phrase go? If it looks good at 50ft or 50mph!
| bobturismo | 03-11-2007 09:25 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;17315484]are you kidding me...from the factory a 94 L AWD (4 door of course) started at 2500 lbs...definately too heavy and how is it flashy? when the car is trapping 130 mph I think the aero might be a bit more beneficial on the impreza than on a box
besides the headache (yes I build custom cars and ground up formula cars...big woop) the ease of getting off the shelf parts and not having to hack and ghetto fab an entire car together would be worth the time savings and money savings (no custom parts)[/QUOTE]
what custom parts? there's no ghetto fabing or hacking?!
See, the difference, I can visually see what needs to be done, it would be easier than droppin vette suspension into a 57 chevy belair. Which involves mating frame sections.
The Subaru suspension comes on unboltable cradles, all you would have to do is make mounting points for the rear cradle, done.
Then basically the same for the front, but with more clearancing for the motor and what not.
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17314590]Yeah you have done all this stuff to all these things with you welder and plasma cutter and it comes down to your experience form building rifle systems? Ok good luck with that then.
My stuff fought in the Gulf War, stuff orbiting the earth still and is controlling nuclear reactor cooling systems to this day. The shop where I had my personal machine shop was one of the top Super Stock engine builders in the world who's car sold for over 1 Million on Barret Jackson but I wouldn't be able to understand how to cut and smack a [B]STRUT SUSPENSION[/B] into a vehicle that is smaller and narrower than a STi.
You are talking about unibody cars with Strut suspensions. Please pick up a dirt cheap Brat someplace and do an STi swap to show me how wrong I am I beg of you. $60 drive shaft for a 9 sec car :confused:
You assemble guns for the US Military. I machined ALL components for air to surface missile systems. I machined circuit mounting housings for US satellites that are still letting you use your Cell Phones. I along with the Engineers modified the steam release cylinders for Nuclear Reactors. Not just followed instructions on putting it together and way back in the day before the lift laws hit the scene I was paid to build more lifted 4x4's than I care to remember. Ya know what? They where straight axles so it was real easy to cut and weld something onto em. Even the IFS front suspension ones where easy to modify cause the stuff you got for em specified what to cut off and move. Yeah you assemble guns, now when you go to work make a new half shaft and put it in your car and see how long it lasts??
Sorry but your stuff ain't gonna pass tech at a track for something that is going into the 9's. Your talking about making street and dirt toys [/QUOTE]
That's what my firends are for, I'm not afraid to ask someone for help. In my personal opinion, it wouldn't be that hard to do the swap, I'm not gonna actually do it, as I don't feel that's something I want to spend my time and money doing.
The machining part was irrelevant, that's why I brought it up. (as in "waht's your point")
I don't know why you are offended that I don't think it's that hard? I'd like to think I've done alot of fabrication for someone who doesn't do it for a living, getting help from friends or returning the favor. Everything from dropping vette c-4 stuff into a 57 chevy 2-dr, to building custom suspension.
Now, I don't have 15+ years of building 9 sec cars, but I know people who do. I call them up "hey, you got a guy who can hook me up with a driveshaft for a 9sec subaru"?, they say "yeah, sure". This is a guy who has a 69 Camaro, with a stock steel body that runs 8's, verging on 7's, taht he built in his garage.
Now, I don't know why you think a 9 sec subaru needs some crazy driveshaft, specailly considering a 9 sec, heavy RWD car with a longer shaft doesn't need anything crazy? When I say $60 I mean, go get the factory one shortened. Not build one from scratch. I figured you would've known taht since you are a "frabricator", I don't know about you, but I've had many a driveshaft sortened for various motor and trans swaps.
Honestly I'd be more concerned with other components breaking, well before a drivesahft that was shortened?
When you've cut the top half of a uni-body and repositioned it lower in relation to the floor, it doesn't seem alot harder to weld it onto another floor.
Okay, so it's "strut" suspension? how hard is take tube steel and bend hoop to mount it too, not that hard. Plenty of race cars are built similar, cars taht are strut setup, this isn't sopme new "crazy" technology. All this stuff, I'm talking about has been done, ad nauseam.
Here are some pics of vehicles that rolled out of the "shop".
[IMG]http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8392/digipics022mr0wa7.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1064/digipics013az8js3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3536/72ar8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4054/christruckiv4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8060/dimebaggedfi9rm2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5728/tracy1nl4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2065/badoltoytg4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2451/dimeididon2022tn3.png[/IMG]
I'm not saying "you're wrong" thats your opinion, my opinion is that it wouldn't be that hard. Just because "YOU" don't feel you can do it, doesn't mean that someone else can't.
Now in my opinion, it wouldn't be smart to build a 9 sec car, because between a 9 sec mitsu and subaru, I would put my money on the subaru breaking first.
I don't know why you think that it would be hard to meet the rules for a 9 sec car? As long as we don't raise the crank centerline and we have an approved cage and there is a way for someone outside of teh car to retrive the person in side?
LIKE I said, off the cuff suggestion, take it or leave, the people who organize this and put up the money will decide what happens.
Telling someone that their opinion is wrong is stupid, showing WHY you think it would be hard is not stupid.
besides the headache (yes I build custom cars and ground up formula cars...big woop) the ease of getting off the shelf parts and not having to hack and ghetto fab an entire car together would be worth the time savings and money savings (no custom parts)[/QUOTE]
what custom parts? there's no ghetto fabing or hacking?!
See, the difference, I can visually see what needs to be done, it would be easier than droppin vette suspension into a 57 chevy belair. Which involves mating frame sections.
The Subaru suspension comes on unboltable cradles, all you would have to do is make mounting points for the rear cradle, done.
Then basically the same for the front, but with more clearancing for the motor and what not.
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17314590]Yeah you have done all this stuff to all these things with you welder and plasma cutter and it comes down to your experience form building rifle systems? Ok good luck with that then.
My stuff fought in the Gulf War, stuff orbiting the earth still and is controlling nuclear reactor cooling systems to this day. The shop where I had my personal machine shop was one of the top Super Stock engine builders in the world who's car sold for over 1 Million on Barret Jackson but I wouldn't be able to understand how to cut and smack a [B]STRUT SUSPENSION[/B] into a vehicle that is smaller and narrower than a STi.
You are talking about unibody cars with Strut suspensions. Please pick up a dirt cheap Brat someplace and do an STi swap to show me how wrong I am I beg of you. $60 drive shaft for a 9 sec car :confused:
You assemble guns for the US Military. I machined ALL components for air to surface missile systems. I machined circuit mounting housings for US satellites that are still letting you use your Cell Phones. I along with the Engineers modified the steam release cylinders for Nuclear Reactors. Not just followed instructions on putting it together and way back in the day before the lift laws hit the scene I was paid to build more lifted 4x4's than I care to remember. Ya know what? They where straight axles so it was real easy to cut and weld something onto em. Even the IFS front suspension ones where easy to modify cause the stuff you got for em specified what to cut off and move. Yeah you assemble guns, now when you go to work make a new half shaft and put it in your car and see how long it lasts??
Sorry but your stuff ain't gonna pass tech at a track for something that is going into the 9's. Your talking about making street and dirt toys [/QUOTE]
That's what my firends are for, I'm not afraid to ask someone for help. In my personal opinion, it wouldn't be that hard to do the swap, I'm not gonna actually do it, as I don't feel that's something I want to spend my time and money doing.
The machining part was irrelevant, that's why I brought it up. (as in "waht's your point")
I don't know why you are offended that I don't think it's that hard? I'd like to think I've done alot of fabrication for someone who doesn't do it for a living, getting help from friends or returning the favor. Everything from dropping vette c-4 stuff into a 57 chevy 2-dr, to building custom suspension.
Now, I don't have 15+ years of building 9 sec cars, but I know people who do. I call them up "hey, you got a guy who can hook me up with a driveshaft for a 9sec subaru"?, they say "yeah, sure". This is a guy who has a 69 Camaro, with a stock steel body that runs 8's, verging on 7's, taht he built in his garage.
Now, I don't know why you think a 9 sec subaru needs some crazy driveshaft, specailly considering a 9 sec, heavy RWD car with a longer shaft doesn't need anything crazy? When I say $60 I mean, go get the factory one shortened. Not build one from scratch. I figured you would've known taht since you are a "frabricator", I don't know about you, but I've had many a driveshaft sortened for various motor and trans swaps.
Honestly I'd be more concerned with other components breaking, well before a drivesahft that was shortened?
When you've cut the top half of a uni-body and repositioned it lower in relation to the floor, it doesn't seem alot harder to weld it onto another floor.
Okay, so it's "strut" suspension? how hard is take tube steel and bend hoop to mount it too, not that hard. Plenty of race cars are built similar, cars taht are strut setup, this isn't sopme new "crazy" technology. All this stuff, I'm talking about has been done, ad nauseam.
Here are some pics of vehicles that rolled out of the "shop".
[IMG]http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8392/digipics022mr0wa7.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1064/digipics013az8js3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3536/72ar8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4054/christruckiv4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8060/dimebaggedfi9rm2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5728/tracy1nl4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2065/badoltoytg4.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2451/dimeididon2022tn3.png[/IMG]
I'm not saying "you're wrong" thats your opinion, my opinion is that it wouldn't be that hard. Just because "YOU" don't feel you can do it, doesn't mean that someone else can't.
Now in my opinion, it wouldn't be smart to build a 9 sec car, because between a 9 sec mitsu and subaru, I would put my money on the subaru breaking first.
I don't know why you think that it would be hard to meet the rules for a 9 sec car? As long as we don't raise the crank centerline and we have an approved cage and there is a way for someone outside of teh car to retrive the person in side?
LIKE I said, off the cuff suggestion, take it or leave, the people who organize this and put up the money will decide what happens.
Telling someone that their opinion is wrong is stupid, showing WHY you think it would be hard is not stupid.
| bobturismo | 03-11-2007 09:41 PM |
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/P1150002.jpg[/IMG]
10 sec brat - [url]http://www.tonyrigoliperformance.com.au/subaru-brumby_gold.html[/url]
[IMG]http://www.tonyrigoliperformance.com.au/Project_Cars/Subaru/Brumby_Dave/farlap_engine.jpg[/IMG]
10 sec brat - [url]http://www.tonyrigoliperformance.com.au/subaru-brumby_gold.html[/url]
[IMG]http://www.tonyrigoliperformance.com.au/Project_Cars/Subaru/Brumby_Dave/farlap_engine.jpg[/IMG]
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-11-2007 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17319651]Telling someone that their opinion is wrong is stupid, showing WHY you think it would be hard is not stupid.[/QUOTE]
I never said your opinion is wrong. I had the same thoughts and plans to use a Brat and have seen the Rigoli Brumby doing 10's. What I am saying is your quote of "plasma cutter and welder" ain't gonna just make it fit. I know what a Vette rear suspension looks like and fits as I was gonna swap one into my 67' C10 SB Step Side. Of course that is the latest swap into everything but it makes a pro chassis builder outta people that have done it then :confused:
That and if you where betting the Subaru would be breaking I can see why. You wanna throw a serious HP engine into a small chassis and use stock parts that you have shortened to fit. Yeah my "friend" put a SBC into a Mustang and won his class in early Pro 5.0 and is now well over 200mph with a big turbo and Ford sponsorship. Yes I threw in that I machine things cause you are saying you assemble Military gun systems but now your saying you want to call on people to put things together for you?
What I am saying and I know where I come from with this is that to do what you where saying is a serious affair. Yeah you could find someone that would drive a 800hp Brat but I don't think I would take that risk with stock parts that are shortened to fit. Why, cause I have made drive shafts and have worked doing stuff like this.
I just don't think you have enough favors to be asked to build a car of this magnitude and as someone else mentioned in this post about making a tube frame car with a Subaru body on it. Hmmm ain't ESX doing that?
This was a good idea in the get go but people have taken what it was originally supposed to be and are making full on sponsored cars deal outta it :huh: Besides we already have our own deal like this with Big Valley vs Al and we won because of someones driver error :lol:
I never said your opinion is wrong. I had the same thoughts and plans to use a Brat and have seen the Rigoli Brumby doing 10's. What I am saying is your quote of "plasma cutter and welder" ain't gonna just make it fit. I know what a Vette rear suspension looks like and fits as I was gonna swap one into my 67' C10 SB Step Side. Of course that is the latest swap into everything but it makes a pro chassis builder outta people that have done it then :confused:
That and if you where betting the Subaru would be breaking I can see why. You wanna throw a serious HP engine into a small chassis and use stock parts that you have shortened to fit. Yeah my "friend" put a SBC into a Mustang and won his class in early Pro 5.0 and is now well over 200mph with a big turbo and Ford sponsorship. Yes I threw in that I machine things cause you are saying you assemble Military gun systems but now your saying you want to call on people to put things together for you?
What I am saying and I know where I come from with this is that to do what you where saying is a serious affair. Yeah you could find someone that would drive a 800hp Brat but I don't think I would take that risk with stock parts that are shortened to fit. Why, cause I have made drive shafts and have worked doing stuff like this.
I just don't think you have enough favors to be asked to build a car of this magnitude and as someone else mentioned in this post about making a tube frame car with a Subaru body on it. Hmmm ain't ESX doing that?
This was a good idea in the get go but people have taken what it was originally supposed to be and are making full on sponsored cars deal outta it :huh: Besides we already have our own deal like this with Big Valley vs Al and we won because of someones driver error :lol:
| bobturismo | 03-11-2007 10:46 PM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17320173]I never said your opinion is wrong. I had the same thoughts and plans to use a Brat and have seen the Rigoli Brumby doing 10's. What I am saying is your quote of "plasma cutter and welder" ain't gonna just make it fit. I know what a Vette rear suspension looks like and fits as I was gonna swap one into my 67' C10 SB Step Side. Of course that is the latest swap into everything but it makes a pro chassis builder outta people that have done it then :confused: [/QUOTE]never claimed to be a pro chassis builder?!
[QUOTE]
That and if you where betting the Subaru would be breaking I can see why. You wanna throw a serious HP engine into a small chassis and use stock parts that you have shortened to fit.[/QUOTE]
Uh, one driveshaft? With welds as good as the factory ones? I'm sure that what driveshaft is in that 10 sec brat is not made of unobtainium, besides that's all semantics.
I do know that there are PLENTY of 9 sec mitsu AWD cars, plenty of parts and experience out there. Cars going back alot of years, while subaru falls kinda short.
[QUOTE] Yeah my "friend" put a SBC into a Mustang and won his class in early Pro 5.0 and is now well over 200mph with a big turbo and Ford sponsorship. [/QUOTE]"Yes, Ford tough with chevy stuff" we joke about doing that all the time, I just don't care enough to do it untill I come across an f-body for free and rebuild one of the 6 small blocks on the side of me house.
[QUOTE]Yes I threw in that I machine things cause you are saying you assemble Military gun systems but now your saying you want to call on people to put things together for you?[/QUOTE]
?
um..no.
you were the first to say you were a "machinist" and a "frabicator", but have yet to see any real proof of such. I mentioned what I do, to show that is neither here or there.
These make money.
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/36/ch8abo6fi0.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/351/dsc01690ib4fk1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/623/dsc01716st8dx7.jpg[/IMG]
Bulding toys does not.
Calling on friends is using your resources. If I still want to build an SPR rifle, I have to call a certain person and get certain parts from him, ones that were actually used in the batch for the contract. Or it isn't a real "SPR".
Now I don't have acess to millions of dollars in tools, nor have a full shop. The only reason half the garage shows on TV have "TV shows" are because they have all the tools. I watch these guys and alot of times they are complete idots and teh bicker about stupid ****.
I've watched guys that were involved with teh minitruckin scene, who've build "okay" vehicles, end up on "monster garage" and I just shake my head.
Now, I can do pretty much damn near everything myself. BUT, one of the things I don't so, is set pinion depth and mess with auto trans. I'll put a shift kit in, but that's it. A properly built auto will last 10x longer than an improperly built one. When you go through 3-4 turbo 350s and 400s, it seems like a better idea.
[QUOTE]
What I am saying and I know where I come from with this is that to do what you where saying is a serious affair.
[/QUOTE]That's fine, thats [I]your[/I] opinion, I don't dissagree that you think it's a "serious affair". I on the other hand, I don't. As I have done and been involved in more "serious affairs"
[QUOTE] Yeah you could find someone that would drive a 800hp Brat but I don't think I would take that risk with stock parts that are shortened to fit. Why, cause I have made drive shafts and have worked doing stuff like this.
[/QUOTE]If you have, then you would know it's usually not the actual shaft that fails, but you all ready knew that.
Course I have a nice hole in the underside of S-10 from teh 3rd time I broke a driveshaft.
[QUOTE]
I just don't think you have enough favors to be asked to build a car of this magnitude [/QUOTE]
Okay? wouldn't need that much, but you seem to know me REALLY well for never having met me?
[QUOTE]and as someone else mentioned in this post about making a tube frame car with a Subaru body on it. Hmmm ain't ESX doing that?
This was a good idea in the get go but people have taken what it was originally supposed to be and are making full on sponsored cars deal outta it :huh: Besides we already have our own deal like this with Big Valley vs Al and we won because of someones driver error :lol:[/QUOTE]Yes, I wouldn't recommend this.
[QUOTE]
That and if you where betting the Subaru would be breaking I can see why. You wanna throw a serious HP engine into a small chassis and use stock parts that you have shortened to fit.[/QUOTE]
Uh, one driveshaft? With welds as good as the factory ones? I'm sure that what driveshaft is in that 10 sec brat is not made of unobtainium, besides that's all semantics.
I do know that there are PLENTY of 9 sec mitsu AWD cars, plenty of parts and experience out there. Cars going back alot of years, while subaru falls kinda short.
[QUOTE] Yeah my "friend" put a SBC into a Mustang and won his class in early Pro 5.0 and is now well over 200mph with a big turbo and Ford sponsorship. [/QUOTE]"Yes, Ford tough with chevy stuff" we joke about doing that all the time, I just don't care enough to do it untill I come across an f-body for free and rebuild one of the 6 small blocks on the side of me house.
[QUOTE]Yes I threw in that I machine things cause you are saying you assemble Military gun systems but now your saying you want to call on people to put things together for you?[/QUOTE]
?
um..no.
you were the first to say you were a "machinist" and a "frabicator", but have yet to see any real proof of such. I mentioned what I do, to show that is neither here or there.
These make money.
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/36/ch8abo6fi0.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/351/dsc01690ib4fk1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/623/dsc01716st8dx7.jpg[/IMG]
Bulding toys does not.
Calling on friends is using your resources. If I still want to build an SPR rifle, I have to call a certain person and get certain parts from him, ones that were actually used in the batch for the contract. Or it isn't a real "SPR".
Now I don't have acess to millions of dollars in tools, nor have a full shop. The only reason half the garage shows on TV have "TV shows" are because they have all the tools. I watch these guys and alot of times they are complete idots and teh bicker about stupid ****.
I've watched guys that were involved with teh minitruckin scene, who've build "okay" vehicles, end up on "monster garage" and I just shake my head.
Now, I can do pretty much damn near everything myself. BUT, one of the things I don't so, is set pinion depth and mess with auto trans. I'll put a shift kit in, but that's it. A properly built auto will last 10x longer than an improperly built one. When you go through 3-4 turbo 350s and 400s, it seems like a better idea.
[QUOTE]
What I am saying and I know where I come from with this is that to do what you where saying is a serious affair.
[/QUOTE]That's fine, thats [I]your[/I] opinion, I don't dissagree that you think it's a "serious affair". I on the other hand, I don't. As I have done and been involved in more "serious affairs"
[QUOTE] Yeah you could find someone that would drive a 800hp Brat but I don't think I would take that risk with stock parts that are shortened to fit. Why, cause I have made drive shafts and have worked doing stuff like this.
[/QUOTE]If you have, then you would know it's usually not the actual shaft that fails, but you all ready knew that.
Course I have a nice hole in the underside of S-10 from teh 3rd time I broke a driveshaft.
[QUOTE]
I just don't think you have enough favors to be asked to build a car of this magnitude [/QUOTE]
Okay? wouldn't need that much, but you seem to know me REALLY well for never having met me?
[QUOTE]and as someone else mentioned in this post about making a tube frame car with a Subaru body on it. Hmmm ain't ESX doing that?
This was a good idea in the get go but people have taken what it was originally supposed to be and are making full on sponsored cars deal outta it :huh: Besides we already have our own deal like this with Big Valley vs Al and we won because of someones driver error :lol:[/QUOTE]Yes, I wouldn't recommend this.
| Homemade WRX | 03-12-2007 02:48 AM |
bob, my main bit is CV's...none custom one's are expensive enough...the suspension isn't really a problem...
the rest of the fab work isn't too bad, I just see it turning into a hack job though...unless you stay strict on quality.
drivetrain/enigne not an issue...I've seen a brat done with an EJ swap before...it is still a brick and with speeds I'd be seeing the car do, an impreza would be beneficial...hell, a wagon would be ideal...and as for getting the impreza to weigh less than a brat, that is easier and cheaper to do...
the rest of the fab work isn't too bad, I just see it turning into a hack job though...unless you stay strict on quality.
drivetrain/enigne not an issue...I've seen a brat done with an EJ swap before...it is still a brick and with speeds I'd be seeing the car do, an impreza would be beneficial...hell, a wagon would be ideal...and as for getting the impreza to weigh less than a brat, that is easier and cheaper to do...
| godfather2112 | 03-12-2007 03:37 AM |
Is this show still aired on tv?
| bobturismo | 03-12-2007 05:15 AM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;17322449]bob, my main bit is CV's...none custom one's are expensive enough...the suspension isn't really a problem...
the rest of the fab work isn't too bad, I just see it turning into a hack job though...unless you stay strict on quality.
drivetrain/enigne not an issue...I've seen a brat done with an EJ swap before...it is still a brick and with speeds I'd be seeing the car do, an impreza would be beneficial...hell, a wagon would be ideal...and as for getting the impreza to weigh less than a brat, that is easier and cheaper to do...[/QUOTE]
It would use the stock STI CV's. The whole suspension is attached almost completely to the cradles. It would retain all the factory geometry and mounting locations. At that point, it would be doing some research and seeing what big valley, esx and so on were using for axles.
The reason the brat popped in my head, because it doesn't look fast, and that it's light weight. I think that blue one weighs 2,500lbs, full interior and what not. But stripped out for racing.... It's a mental game, if you show up with a car that looks like a 10 sec car and you are supposed to be racing a 12 sec car, it won't be easy to negotiate. Show with s car like that red brat, it doesn't [I]look[/I] like it runs 10s, but it does.
When I first dropped a small block into my S-10, people would hear the exahust (which sounds like a pro street car) and scream "What the hell you got in that thing?", joking I would say "V-6!"
"Really??!" they would say, even though it clearly sounds like a V-8. I've watched people drive my truck around in a parking lot, what you hear doesn't match what you see. Like something in the head says, "1 + 1 does not equal what I see". I'll sit in traffic, and people will be looking all around to see what vehicle is idling like that. They crane their necks, ignoring my truck, because "no way that is coming from there."
Don't get me wrong, I've owned 4 GC's, I like them alot, I plan on building a 2-dr soon, with a 22b body.
If that's what you guys want, then that's what you want. You do get the additional weight, which comes from the extra glass and whatnot. You could do plexi all the way around and carbon fiber doors though.
But that's the thing, all it takes is someone showing up with a early 90's eclipse with an EVO drivetrain and alot of the advantadge is gone. Let me tell you, a buddy of mine had built one of these, before the EVO came here.
I drove this car, it would get sideways when you shifted it into 2nd. I don't mean, the backend would swing out, the whole car did a 4 wheel drift into the next lane. If I remember correctly it ran near flat 11's, car was nasty fast.
But again, the trick isn't to build the "fastest" car, specailly if for some reason the car gets lost. Most importantly, it has to be consistent. Once the car was built, it would smart to take the driver and have him bracket race it. It would also be a good idea to setup the car so that it was setup to run on wastegate boost, controlled boost and different maps, specially for different tracks.
I live in az, they've filmed a bunch of episodes here, we also have more than 3 AWD dynos here and alot of suppliers and tuners. If the car was built here and they goto Atco, the car might get creamed if the other car tunes there. Atco has the best corrected alttitude track in the country.
You could take the fastest car on that show and lose, VERY EASILY. I watch it happen all the time, all these guys who race pro street, don't understand what happens on the show and get destroyed on there.
IMHO, please do not try to "prove" that my opinions are wrong, anyone. Thanks
the rest of the fab work isn't too bad, I just see it turning into a hack job though...unless you stay strict on quality.
drivetrain/enigne not an issue...I've seen a brat done with an EJ swap before...it is still a brick and with speeds I'd be seeing the car do, an impreza would be beneficial...hell, a wagon would be ideal...and as for getting the impreza to weigh less than a brat, that is easier and cheaper to do...[/QUOTE]
It would use the stock STI CV's. The whole suspension is attached almost completely to the cradles. It would retain all the factory geometry and mounting locations. At that point, it would be doing some research and seeing what big valley, esx and so on were using for axles.
The reason the brat popped in my head, because it doesn't look fast, and that it's light weight. I think that blue one weighs 2,500lbs, full interior and what not. But stripped out for racing.... It's a mental game, if you show up with a car that looks like a 10 sec car and you are supposed to be racing a 12 sec car, it won't be easy to negotiate. Show with s car like that red brat, it doesn't [I]look[/I] like it runs 10s, but it does.
When I first dropped a small block into my S-10, people would hear the exahust (which sounds like a pro street car) and scream "What the hell you got in that thing?", joking I would say "V-6!"
"Really??!" they would say, even though it clearly sounds like a V-8. I've watched people drive my truck around in a parking lot, what you hear doesn't match what you see. Like something in the head says, "1 + 1 does not equal what I see". I'll sit in traffic, and people will be looking all around to see what vehicle is idling like that. They crane their necks, ignoring my truck, because "no way that is coming from there."
Don't get me wrong, I've owned 4 GC's, I like them alot, I plan on building a 2-dr soon, with a 22b body.
If that's what you guys want, then that's what you want. You do get the additional weight, which comes from the extra glass and whatnot. You could do plexi all the way around and carbon fiber doors though.
But that's the thing, all it takes is someone showing up with a early 90's eclipse with an EVO drivetrain and alot of the advantadge is gone. Let me tell you, a buddy of mine had built one of these, before the EVO came here.
I drove this car, it would get sideways when you shifted it into 2nd. I don't mean, the backend would swing out, the whole car did a 4 wheel drift into the next lane. If I remember correctly it ran near flat 11's, car was nasty fast.
But again, the trick isn't to build the "fastest" car, specailly if for some reason the car gets lost. Most importantly, it has to be consistent. Once the car was built, it would smart to take the driver and have him bracket race it. It would also be a good idea to setup the car so that it was setup to run on wastegate boost, controlled boost and different maps, specially for different tracks.
I live in az, they've filmed a bunch of episodes here, we also have more than 3 AWD dynos here and alot of suppliers and tuners. If the car was built here and they goto Atco, the car might get creamed if the other car tunes there. Atco has the best corrected alttitude track in the country.
You could take the fastest car on that show and lose, VERY EASILY. I watch it happen all the time, all these guys who race pro street, don't understand what happens on the show and get destroyed on there.
IMHO, please do not try to "prove" that my opinions are wrong, anyone. Thanks
| Homemade WRX | 03-12-2007 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17322874]It would use the stock STI CV's. The whole suspension is attached almost completely to the cradles. It would retain all the factory geometry and mounting locations. At that point, it would be doing some research and seeing what big valley, esx and so on were using for axles.
The reason the brat popped in my head, because it doesn't look fast, and that it's light weight. I think that blue one weighs 2,500lbs, full interior and what not. But stripped out for racing.... It's a mental game, if you show up with a car that looks like a 10 sec car and you are supposed to be racing a 12 sec car, it won't be easy to negotiate. Show with s car like that red brat, it doesn't [I]look[/I] like it runs 10s, but it does.
You could take the fastest car on that show and lose, VERY EASILY. I watch it happen all the time, all these guys who race pro street, don't understand what happens on the show and get destroyed on there.
IMHO, please do not try to "prove" that my opinions are wrong, anyone. Thanks[/QUOTE]
My point that you still don't get is my bone stock full interior, looks like a slow pos 94 impreza 4 door weighed in at 2582 when I bought it (AC, powersteering, cruise control, power everything) and its drag at 100+ vs the brat is much lower and that equates to walking away at those speeds. I know the car can be much lighter. I sleep on people all day in my car. It is all about appearance and playing dumb. My small block volvo isn't quite the same though ;)
The show of pinks isn't about who has the fastest car but who has the best strategy in playing the other "team". If you can get the entire drivetrain to bolt in then beefing it up is simple..never looked at the brat to see for mounting positions for basically doing a body swap onto an impreza suspension/drivetrain but I will take your word for it...
Personally seeing a complete POS like a brat, I would suspect it to be much faster than say a normal looking swapped impreza...just because people do stupid crazy $hit to cars like that...
I never said you were wrong, just saying you are neglecting aero as many racers do. Go for it...build that brat...just saying with the same power I would put money on the impreza being faster as they will weigh damn near the same if the impreza isn't lighter as it had more potential for weight savings. Lots more glass, sound deadening, safety equipment (ABS and SRS) and interior in my 4 door. Not to mention all the carbon panels I can buy for it.
so, don't get all pissy and think everyone is telling you are wrong just because we all have differing opinions...and a two door weighs more than a 4 door anyhow...not to mention just looks faster ruining the whole game.
The reason the brat popped in my head, because it doesn't look fast, and that it's light weight. I think that blue one weighs 2,500lbs, full interior and what not. But stripped out for racing.... It's a mental game, if you show up with a car that looks like a 10 sec car and you are supposed to be racing a 12 sec car, it won't be easy to negotiate. Show with s car like that red brat, it doesn't [I]look[/I] like it runs 10s, but it does.
You could take the fastest car on that show and lose, VERY EASILY. I watch it happen all the time, all these guys who race pro street, don't understand what happens on the show and get destroyed on there.
IMHO, please do not try to "prove" that my opinions are wrong, anyone. Thanks[/QUOTE]
My point that you still don't get is my bone stock full interior, looks like a slow pos 94 impreza 4 door weighed in at 2582 when I bought it (AC, powersteering, cruise control, power everything) and its drag at 100+ vs the brat is much lower and that equates to walking away at those speeds. I know the car can be much lighter. I sleep on people all day in my car. It is all about appearance and playing dumb. My small block volvo isn't quite the same though ;)
The show of pinks isn't about who has the fastest car but who has the best strategy in playing the other "team". If you can get the entire drivetrain to bolt in then beefing it up is simple..never looked at the brat to see for mounting positions for basically doing a body swap onto an impreza suspension/drivetrain but I will take your word for it...
Personally seeing a complete POS like a brat, I would suspect it to be much faster than say a normal looking swapped impreza...just because people do stupid crazy $hit to cars like that...
I never said you were wrong, just saying you are neglecting aero as many racers do. Go for it...build that brat...just saying with the same power I would put money on the impreza being faster as they will weigh damn near the same if the impreza isn't lighter as it had more potential for weight savings. Lots more glass, sound deadening, safety equipment (ABS and SRS) and interior in my 4 door. Not to mention all the carbon panels I can buy for it.
so, don't get all pissy and think everyone is telling you are wrong just because we all have differing opinions...and a two door weighs more than a 4 door anyhow...not to mention just looks faster ruining the whole game.
| bobturismo | 03-12-2007 07:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;17325928]My point that you still don't get is my bone stock full interior, looks like a slow pos 94 impreza 4 door weighed in at 2582 when I bought it (AC, powersteering, cruise control, power everything) and its drag at 100+ vs the brat is much lower and that equates to walking away at those speeds.
[/QUOTE]I know all about it, I had a 95 L with an EJ22T, I always wanted to swap a full STI into a bone stock looking L, with my 500hp setup that's in my wrx
[QUOTE] I know the car can be much lighter. I sleep on people all day in my car. It is all about appearance and playing dumb. My small block volvo isn't quite the same though ;)
The show of pinks isn't about who has the fastest car but who has the best strategy in playing the other "team". If you can get the entire drivetrain to bolt in then beefing it up is simple..never looked at the brat to see for mounting positions for basically doing a body swap onto an impreza suspension/drivetrain but I will take your word for it...
[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with the baja, if you want, find a pic of a stripped out STI or subaru. The whole front suspension unbolts into one unit, attached to the front crossmember.
It looks like the baja has struts, so it's a matter of simply making holes and bolting the struts in, unless they have the same bolt pattern.
[QUOTE]
Personally seeing a complete POS like a brat, I would suspect it to be much faster than say a normal looking swapped impreza...just because people do stupid crazy $hit to cars like that...[/QUOTE] But it's the illusion that it's slow, you might think it's fast but would really think one ran 10's? Plus you know Subarus, so you can make the distinction.
[QUOTE]
I never said you were wrong, just saying you are neglecting aero as many racers do. Go for it...build that brat...just saying with the same power I would put money on the impreza being faster as they will weigh damn near the same if the impreza isn't lighter as it had more potential for weight savings. Lots more glass, sound deadening, safety equipment (ABS and SRS) and interior in my 4 door. Not to mention all the carbon panels I can buy for it.
[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
so, don't get all pissy and think everyone is telling you are wrong just because we all have differing opinions...[/QUOTE]
:lol: I'm not getting pissy, not once did I utter a word of condescension or say anything negative.
That was a sarcastic disclaimer, directed elsewhere, not at you. I have NO problem having a mature argument with anyone. There are times when I'm wrong about facts, but if someone presents evidence, I'll definietly take it into consideration and make an informed desicion on the matter.
You'll probably never see me type things out of anger, like "YOUR A DOO DOO HEAD, YOU SUCK!!!", I rather post my evidence showing that I'm right and letting the other person back off.
[QUOTE]and a two door weighs more than a 4 door anyhow...not to mention just looks faster ruining the whole game.[/QUOTE]I wasn't saying "you" guys should build a 2dr.
[QUOTE=bobturismo]
Don't get me wrong, I've owned 4 GC's, I like them alot, I plan on building a 2-dr soon, with a 22b body.[/QUOTE]
Like I said for the third time, whatever you guys wanna build, that was a real quick suggestion about the baja.
I only got into it because 2002wrxsti (or whatever his name is) thought it would be complicated, but I made my case that I don't think it would be.
I have a bunch of other ideas for cars, other than the normal one's, but I haven't had a chance to suggest them :lol:
[/QUOTE]I know all about it, I had a 95 L with an EJ22T, I always wanted to swap a full STI into a bone stock looking L, with my 500hp setup that's in my wrx
[QUOTE] I know the car can be much lighter. I sleep on people all day in my car. It is all about appearance and playing dumb. My small block volvo isn't quite the same though ;)
The show of pinks isn't about who has the fastest car but who has the best strategy in playing the other "team". If you can get the entire drivetrain to bolt in then beefing it up is simple..never looked at the brat to see for mounting positions for basically doing a body swap onto an impreza suspension/drivetrain but I will take your word for it...
[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with the baja, if you want, find a pic of a stripped out STI or subaru. The whole front suspension unbolts into one unit, attached to the front crossmember.
It looks like the baja has struts, so it's a matter of simply making holes and bolting the struts in, unless they have the same bolt pattern.
[QUOTE]
Personally seeing a complete POS like a brat, I would suspect it to be much faster than say a normal looking swapped impreza...just because people do stupid crazy $hit to cars like that...[/QUOTE] But it's the illusion that it's slow, you might think it's fast but would really think one ran 10's? Plus you know Subarus, so you can make the distinction.
[QUOTE]
I never said you were wrong, just saying you are neglecting aero as many racers do. Go for it...build that brat...just saying with the same power I would put money on the impreza being faster as they will weigh damn near the same if the impreza isn't lighter as it had more potential for weight savings. Lots more glass, sound deadening, safety equipment (ABS and SRS) and interior in my 4 door. Not to mention all the carbon panels I can buy for it.
[QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
so, don't get all pissy and think everyone is telling you are wrong just because we all have differing opinions...[/QUOTE]
:lol: I'm not getting pissy, not once did I utter a word of condescension or say anything negative.
That was a sarcastic disclaimer, directed elsewhere, not at you. I have NO problem having a mature argument with anyone. There are times when I'm wrong about facts, but if someone presents evidence, I'll definietly take it into consideration and make an informed desicion on the matter.
You'll probably never see me type things out of anger, like "YOUR A DOO DOO HEAD, YOU SUCK!!!", I rather post my evidence showing that I'm right and letting the other person back off.
[QUOTE]and a two door weighs more than a 4 door anyhow...not to mention just looks faster ruining the whole game.[/QUOTE]I wasn't saying "you" guys should build a 2dr.
[QUOTE=bobturismo]
Don't get me wrong, I've owned 4 GC's, I like them alot, I plan on building a 2-dr soon, with a 22b body.[/QUOTE]
Like I said for the third time, whatever you guys wanna build, that was a real quick suggestion about the baja.
I only got into it because 2002wrxsti (or whatever his name is) thought it would be complicated, but I made my case that I don't think it would be.
I have a bunch of other ideas for cars, other than the normal one's, but I haven't had a chance to suggest them :lol:
| 2002WRXSTi | 03-12-2007 09:09 PM |
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17311369]Not when you have a plasma cutter and a welder. [B]I haven't looked at a brat[/B], but once you take out those suspension cradles, you simply mount them to the chassis. I know a bunch of people in Austraila did, can't be THAThard.[/QUOTE]
Must be easy so bust out your plasma and welder and go for it.
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17314433]axles? I don't know what you "machine" or "fabricate", but I build rifle systems for the military and build custom vehicles.
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah a Subaru is just like a Low Rider mini truck with a Vette suspension right! They both have opposed engines and trans axles with a torque splitting transfer case. Oh and lets not forget they both have front and rear sub frames that unbolt. I keep forgetting how similar they all are :rolleyes:
Guess assembling machine guns teaches you how to see past the obvious differences right?
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17330338]I
I only got into it because 2002wrxsti (or whatever his name is) thought it would be complicated, but I made my case that I don't think it would be.
[/QUOTE]
Yes you don't think it would be but you also will not attempt to do it and prove yourself wrong. I am saying that even if you looked at them and see a similarity in them they are not near the same but hey if someone you know in Australia did it I must be wrong then :eek:
Must be easy so bust out your plasma and welder and go for it.
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17314433]axles? I don't know what you "machine" or "fabricate", but I build rifle systems for the military and build custom vehicles.
It is that simple. you use the complete suspension attached to the cradles. You may have to get the driveshaft shortened or use one from another vehicle, that might cost you $60. Fab your mounting points and drop the wiring.
Anything can be done to a vehicle with a plasma cutter and welder.
My buddies and I have built many custom trucks and cars. Dropped all kinds of motors into cars that the motor wasn't made for. Body dropped (channeled) many vehicles to lay on the ground with custom, built from scratch air suspension setups.
It wouldn't be any different than putting corvette suspension into anything.
Well, you guys do what you want, these are just my "off the cuff" suggestions, as I am probably not gonna be involved with this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah a Subaru is just like a Low Rider mini truck with a Vette suspension right! They both have opposed engines and trans axles with a torque splitting transfer case. Oh and lets not forget they both have front and rear sub frames that unbolt. I keep forgetting how similar they all are :rolleyes:
Guess assembling machine guns teaches you how to see past the obvious differences right?
[QUOTE=bobturismo;17330338]I
I only got into it because 2002wrxsti (or whatever his name is) thought it would be complicated, but I made my case that I don't think it would be.
[/QUOTE]
Yes you don't think it would be but you also will not attempt to do it and prove yourself wrong. I am saying that even if you looked at them and see a similarity in them they are not near the same but hey if someone you know in Australia did it I must be wrong then :eek:
| bobturismo | 03-12-2007 09:33 PM |
[QUOTE=2002WRXSTi;17331686]Must be easy so bust out your plasma and welder and go for it.
[/QUOTE]Uh oh, someones getting upset!
[QUOTE]
Yeah a Subaru is just like a Low Rider mini truck with a Vette suspension right! They both have opposed engines and trans axles with a torque splitting transfer case. Oh and lets not forget they both have front and rear sub frames that unbolt. I keep forgetting how similar they all are :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]Those were jsut finished picture that I all ready had hosted. I've stripped many a subaru, including several STI's. Yeah it's different, but not THAT much different than doing any other longitudal mounted drivetrain.
[QUOTE]
Guess assembling machine guns teaches you how to see past the obvious differences right?
[/QUOTE]see, that's condescending.
I've been building vehicles since I was 16, I was involved in the minitruckin scene back then, along with hot rods. Everyone of those vehicles, has EXTENSIVE frame, body work, there not jsut "lowered". The frame and body were completely relocated to be flush on the ground when layed out. That includes COMPLETELY cutting the body off and sectioning the frame in certain spots.
Next time you see an S-10, look how much frame hangs below the pinch molding.
I got into the gun thing, becasue I'm fairly intelligent, dextirous, resourceful and all kinds of other crap. The same abilities that allow me to do all kinds of other things, I also installed car audio and alarms professionally for several years, I used to buy cars and trucks at auction for a huge salvage yard company, I even installed satellite dishes, the list goes on.
I spent MANY years going to the salvage yard 2-3 times a week, pulling parts with minimal tools, using objects around me to do what need to be done. Then fitting those parts in to vehicles that they didn't belong to.
I have an EXTENSIVE knowledge of vehicle design, which parts will bolt into what vehicles.
[QUOTE]
Yes you don't think it would be but you also will not attempt to do it and prove yourself wrong. I am saying that even if you looked at them and see a similarity in them they are not near the same but hey if someone you know in Australia did it I must be wrong then :eek:[/QUOTE]
I NEVER said you were wrong, I COMPLETELY AGREE that YOU think it's almost impossible. But I've done similar pojects and other that were even more intensive.
I got other **** I'd rather do :lol: I'm not gonna go build one because YOU pressured me :lol: Right now I have an S-10 that I'm fixing up to sell (probably my 9th S-10/blazer) and a Integra that I am throwing air cylinders to sell so some kid for a good profit.
I'll tell you what, let me dig up some pictures of some bodydrops, custom fraame work and some other stuff I have laying around. I've done a bit of work on uni-bodys, replaced WHOLE rear sections and rebuilt WHOLE frontends.
I also have TWO spare subaru rear cradles and one front crossmember, I'll go take pics and show you what I'm talking about.
Also, I'll dig up some pics rom the build up of that brumby, you'll see it's not [I]that[/I] different.
[/QUOTE]Uh oh, someones getting upset!
[QUOTE]
Yeah a Subaru is just like a Low Rider mini truck with a Vette suspension right! They both have opposed engines and trans axles with a torque splitting transfer case. Oh and lets not forget they both have front and rear sub frames that unbolt. I keep forgetting how similar they all are :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]Those were jsut finished picture that I all ready had hosted. I've stripped many a subaru, including several STI's. Yeah it's different, but not THAT much different than doing any other longitudal mounted drivetrain.
[QUOTE]
Guess assembling machine guns teaches you how to see past the obvious differences right?
[/QUOTE]see, that's condescending.
I've been building vehicles since I was 16, I was involved in the minitruckin scene back then, along with hot rods. Everyone of those vehicles, has EXTENSIVE frame, body work, there not jsut "lowered". The frame and body were completely relocated to be flush on the ground when layed out. That includes COMPLETELY cutting the body off and sectioning the frame in certain spots.
Next time you see an S-10, look how much frame hangs below the pinch molding.
I got into the gun thing, becasue I'm fairly intelligent, dextirous, resourceful and all kinds of other crap. The same abilities that allow me to do all kinds of other things, I also installed car audio and alarms professionally for several years, I used to buy cars and trucks at auction for a huge salvage yard company, I even installed satellite dishes, the list goes on.
I spent MANY years going to the salvage yard 2-3 times a week, pulling parts with minimal tools, using objects around me to do what need to be done. Then fitting those parts in to vehicles that they didn't belong to.
I have an EXTENSIVE knowledge of vehicle design, which parts will bolt into what vehicles.
[QUOTE]
Yes you don't think it would be but you also will not attempt to do it and prove yourself wrong. I am saying that even if you looked at them and see a similarity in them they are not near the same but hey if someone you know in Australia did it I must be wrong then :eek:[/QUOTE]
I NEVER said you were wrong, I COMPLETELY AGREE that YOU think it's almost impossible. But I've done similar pojects and other that were even more intensive.
I got other **** I'd rather do :lol: I'm not gonna go build one because YOU pressured me :lol: Right now I have an S-10 that I'm fixing up to sell (probably my 9th S-10/blazer) and a Integra that I am throwing air cylinders to sell so some kid for a good profit.
I'll tell you what, let me dig up some pictures of some bodydrops, custom fraame work and some other stuff I have laying around. I've done a bit of work on uni-bodys, replaced WHOLE rear sections and rebuilt WHOLE frontends.
I also have TWO spare subaru rear cradles and one front crossmember, I'll go take pics and show you what I'm talking about.
Also, I'll dig up some pics rom the build up of that brumby, you'll see it's not [I]that[/I] different.
| bobturismo | 03-12-2007 09:45 PM |
In fact, the guy who owns that blue brumby is on here, "Lew" is his name
Here is the brat stripped out, not a difficult task
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0450_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
Here's dude, cutting out the body (I assume) for clearance, with what looks to be a grinder. This is the part where I use the plasma.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0456_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
This part looks like the cradle (corssmember) is bolted in and the struts are coming up right to the factory mounts, doesn't look like anything was cut at all? Maybe subaru retained alot of design over the years? (maybe that's why I like Subarus)
From the looks of it, the corssmember is bolted in the factory location, he might have used the brumby one and bolted the suspension into that crossmember
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0432_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
Rest of the pics can be found here
[url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/?[/url]
Unfortunately, he doesn't have any pics of the rearend, that way I could show you what I'm talking about.
Here is the brat stripped out, not a difficult task
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0450_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
Here's dude, cutting out the body (I assume) for clearance, with what looks to be a grinder. This is the part where I use the plasma.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0456_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
This part looks like the cradle (corssmember) is bolted in and the struts are coming up right to the factory mounts, doesn't look like anything was cut at all? Maybe subaru retained alot of design over the years? (maybe that's why I like Subarus)
From the looks of it, the corssmember is bolted in the factory location, he might have used the brumby one and bolted the suspension into that crossmember
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/104-0432_AUT.jpg[/IMG]
Rest of the pics can be found here
[url]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v347/lewlew/?[/url]
Unfortunately, he doesn't have any pics of the rearend, that way I could show you what I'm talking about.
| PaulRex | 03-12-2007 10:37 PM |
I like where he mounted the battery, that whole car is extremely well done.. imagine if you get the guy that built that to consult for you guys during the build youd be set.
| Homemade WRX | 03-12-2007 11:06 PM |
he called me a doo doo head ;)
anyhow, I would build a gutted 93 or 94 wagon...wagons look slow and has good aero. Also the ease of doing it to the chassis and the light weight bits already available would have my vote...
anyhow, I would build a gutted 93 or 94 wagon...wagons look slow and has good aero. Also the ease of doing it to the chassis and the light weight bits already available would have my vote...
| bobturismo | 03-12-2007 11:25 PM |
[QUOTE=PaulRex;17332851]I like where he mounted the battery, that whole car is extremely well done.. imagine if you get the guy that built that to consult for you guys during the build youd be set.[/QUOTE]Yeah, definetly, I sent him a PM, I'm really curious how he set up the rearend.
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;17333212]he called me a doo doo head ;)
[/QUOTE]no, no I didn't :p
[QUOTE]
anyhow, I would build a gutted 93 or 94 wagon...wagons look slow and has good aero. Also the ease of doing it to the chassis and the light weight bits already available would have my vote...[/QUOTE]
I just had a jdm GC WRX hatch too...I've still got a spare WRX GC JDM trunk lid though..
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX;17333212]he called me a doo doo head ;)
[/QUOTE]no, no I didn't :p
[QUOTE]
anyhow, I would build a gutted 93 or 94 wagon...wagons look slow and has good aero. Also the ease of doing it to the chassis and the light weight bits already available would have my vote...[/QUOTE]
I just had a jdm GC WRX hatch too...I've still got a spare WRX GC JDM trunk lid though..
| darksc00by | 03-14-2007 02:37 PM |
this would be fun
| AbACUZ | 01-27-2009 03:29 PM |
Well . that was a bunch of Smoke ... and nothing got done ...
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