| Fred | 03-05-2004 09:57 PM |
KC - could you dyno some brown stickers for me? I'm working on a little something for the RS...
:devil:
:devil:
| trhoppe | 03-06-2004 11:16 AM |
"My other ride is at the HUGGER"
Where is garfield when you need him?
Farm girl! Do it for Farm girl!!! :lol:
[quote]Don't foget, the larger, the more HP...[/quote]
:lol: You guys are in trouble then! KC youve seen my jpg right?
-Tom
Where is garfield when you need him?
Farm girl! Do it for Farm girl!!! :lol:
[quote]Don't foget, the larger, the more HP...[/quote]
:lol: You guys are in trouble then! KC youve seen my jpg right?
-Tom
| Templar | 03-06-2004 11:27 AM |
This thread should be a sticky. This is some of the best autocross advice I have ever read. But like all threads on NASIOC, you have to weed out the BS for the good info.
(in other words, ignore everything Tom says.:lol: :lol: ;) )
(in other words, ignore everything Tom says.:lol: :lol: ;) )
| trhoppe | 03-06-2004 11:45 AM |
[quote] (in other words, ignore everything Tom says. ) [/quote]
:furious: :furious:
It would be a good idea to take out all the junk out of the thread and make a "How to autox" FAQ.
-Tom
:furious: :furious:
It would be a good idea to take out all the junk out of the thread and make a "How to autox" FAQ.
-Tom
| Fastech | 03-06-2004 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]"My other ride is at the HUGGER"
Where is garfield when you need him?
Farm girl! Do it for Farm girl!!! :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Bugging me since the ATL Pro:
WHAT THE HELL IS "THE HUGGER"???:confused:
Your other semi-cryptic references make it all the more intriguing...:huh:
Brian Flanagan
Clueless and out of the loop
[B]"My other ride is at the HUGGER"
Where is garfield when you need him?
Farm girl! Do it for Farm girl!!! :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Bugging me since the ATL Pro:
WHAT THE HELL IS "THE HUGGER"???:confused:
Your other semi-cryptic references make it all the more intriguing...:huh:
Brian Flanagan
Clueless and out of the loop
| trhoppe | 03-06-2004 01:23 PM |
Come on flanagan! Don't tell me you have missed out at the hugger whenever youre in Peru ;)
For the unitiatied, its the #2 rated "club" in the country which is located in the heart of peru, indiana.
-Tom
For the unitiatied, its the #2 rated "club" in the country which is located in the heart of peru, indiana.
-Tom
| Storm | 03-06-2004 04:22 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
[B] Come on flanagan! Don't tell me you have missed out at the hugger whenever youre in Peru ;)
For the unitiatied, its the #2 rated "club" in the country which is located in the heart of peru, indiana.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]Scoob meet at the Hugger!!!!
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
[B] Come on flanagan! Don't tell me you have missed out at the hugger whenever youre in Peru ;)
For the unitiatied, its the #2 rated "club" in the country which is located in the heart of peru, indiana.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]Scoob meet at the Hugger!!!!
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| sdecker | 03-06-2004 07:28 PM |
So how do we sticky it? Report it to a Gary Sheehan?
I agree that it was incredibly helpful for me -- hopefully other people can benefit as well.
So, what other stupid n00b questions can I ask to keep it going? :lol: :lol:
I agree that it was incredibly helpful for me -- hopefully other people can benefit as well.
So, what other stupid n00b questions can I ask to keep it going? :lol: :lol:
| Kostamojen | 03-07-2004 12:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]
2) I know how my car works in terms of its dynamics. I know when it tends to understeer, oversteer, how it feels when hunkered down on the suspension, etc. Again, this is worth a lot as compared to a typical 'off the street' driver, I feel.
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
I should mention this is actually one of the areas that does differ between auto-x and road courses, and mostly due to speed. The car feels VERY different when you are throwing it around sharp corners at 10-20-30mph as opposed to 80mph sweepers.
[B]
2) I know how my car works in terms of its dynamics. I know when it tends to understeer, oversteer, how it feels when hunkered down on the suspension, etc. Again, this is worth a lot as compared to a typical 'off the street' driver, I feel.
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
I should mention this is actually one of the areas that does differ between auto-x and road courses, and mostly due to speed. The car feels VERY different when you are throwing it around sharp corners at 10-20-30mph as opposed to 80mph sweepers.
| Kostamojen | 03-07-2004 12:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]
1) I know how to brake HARD, and to the threshold. On a road course, just this skill alone is worth a ton of time.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ya, this is important, and one of the things it took me some time to learn how to use properly to get quick at autox... You need to go as fast as you can for as long as you can, which means... go FAAAST then slam on the brakes HARD before a corner, dont just slowly decelerate before the corner to the right speed!
And I should also mention the concept of NOT braking in a corner is of upmost importance... Left foot braking I have not found to be usefull in autox... Some people think it is, but I think KC mentioned he also doesnt use it :p In any rate, you really dont want to be braking in any other position than in a straight line, or you could end up facing the wrong way with 3 cones under your car :D
[B]
1) I know how to brake HARD, and to the threshold. On a road course, just this skill alone is worth a ton of time.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ya, this is important, and one of the things it took me some time to learn how to use properly to get quick at autox... You need to go as fast as you can for as long as you can, which means... go FAAAST then slam on the brakes HARD before a corner, dont just slowly decelerate before the corner to the right speed!
And I should also mention the concept of NOT braking in a corner is of upmost importance... Left foot braking I have not found to be usefull in autox... Some people think it is, but I think KC mentioned he also doesnt use it :p In any rate, you really dont want to be braking in any other position than in a straight line, or you could end up facing the wrong way with 3 cones under your car :D
| Storm | 03-07-2004 03:27 AM |
Without turning this into a LFB debate, I'll add that LFB can be useful in some situations for some drivers. If you're not used to doing it and don't have the left foot calibrated for feel....then it's probably better if you don't do it. If you have a good feel for it, it can help keep the car composed in some situations. A quick squeeze while holding steady on the gas can weight the front for instant response for a quick correction, wiggle, etc...without the time delay of moving feet and loss of momentum.
Some people find that modulating the brake while staying steady on the gas allows the car to "shoot forward" upon release of the brake. Civics and VWs in slaloms are classic examples of this.
Braking should be done in a straight line if possible....sometimes it's not possible and trailbraking is needed. It can be done effectively if you balance the steering input with the braking force. Your tires will tell you when you have and lose that balance.
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
Some people find that modulating the brake while staying steady on the gas allows the car to "shoot forward" upon release of the brake. Civics and VWs in slaloms are classic examples of this.
Braking should be done in a straight line if possible....sometimes it's not possible and trailbraking is needed. It can be done effectively if you balance the steering input with the braking force. Your tires will tell you when you have and lose that balance.
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| GarySheehan | 03-07-2004 03:56 AM |
Hey guys,
I already chimed in on page two. You've got my vote for sticky-status.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
I already chimed in on page two. You've got my vote for sticky-status.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| sdecker | 03-07-2004 07:41 AM |
My fault, Gary -- I meant report it to a mod, not the sponsor. :D
| sdecker | 03-07-2004 07:43 AM |
RE: trailbraking, you guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm going to use autox as a method to *learn* how to trailbrake while my safety exposure is low.
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott
| Storm | 03-07-2004 12:04 PM |
Absolutely! One of the greatest things about autocross is the ability of tring new things in a safe(er) environment.
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B] RE: trailbraking, you guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm going to use autox as a method to *learn* how to trailbrake while my safety exposure is low.
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B] RE: trailbraking, you guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm going to use autox as a method to *learn* how to trailbrake while my safety exposure is low.
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
| Kostamojen | 03-07-2004 10:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]RE: trailbraking, you guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm going to use autox as a method to *learn* how to trailbrake while my safety exposure is low.
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, thats a great idea. I was mostly talking about how to be competitive in autox, not about all the other fun stuff you can do :D :D :D :cool: :devil:
[B]RE: trailbraking, you guys might think I'm crazy, but I'm going to use autox as a method to *learn* how to trailbrake while my safety exposure is low.
Learning how to trailbrake on a road course at 90 mph with people all around is not my idea of fun. The armco is damn close at RA, too, but maybe I'm just old. :D
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, thats a great idea. I was mostly talking about how to be competitive in autox, not about all the other fun stuff you can do :D :D :D :cool: :devil:
| sdecker | 03-08-2004 08:09 AM |
I got some practice in yesterday while at Road Atlanta. :devil:
Near the parking area in turn 6-7, there is a skid pad (I guess 200 foot diameter, or whatever the standard is) and a paved autox section/kart track.
Now, normally, I wouldn't do this...BUT there was literally no one in the entire area. I was about two hours early for the race. The SCCA workers/officials weren't even in the area, so I decided to take my chances.
I buckled in the son and just started pounding the autox section pretty hard in both directions. It was great fun.
I found it difficult to rotate the car at low speeds. This would seem to be a key component to driving the point-to-point line we discussed earlier in this thread. I can rotate it, but that seemed to require me going in way too hot and forcing it by lifting or trail braking. The rear tires really weren't engaged very much by looking at the amount of sidewall rollover relative to the fronts.
I can make RSB, tire pressure, and/or Koni adjustments...but before I tweak the car, I thought I would try and tweak the driver. :D
So, to keep it on topic: as a driver, how can I engage the rear of the car a little more WITHOUT making car changes? Surely it's possible.
(and hey, it's Monday, so why not start the week with another stupid n00b autox question?)
Scott
Near the parking area in turn 6-7, there is a skid pad (I guess 200 foot diameter, or whatever the standard is) and a paved autox section/kart track.
Now, normally, I wouldn't do this...BUT there was literally no one in the entire area. I was about two hours early for the race. The SCCA workers/officials weren't even in the area, so I decided to take my chances.
I buckled in the son and just started pounding the autox section pretty hard in both directions. It was great fun.
I found it difficult to rotate the car at low speeds. This would seem to be a key component to driving the point-to-point line we discussed earlier in this thread. I can rotate it, but that seemed to require me going in way too hot and forcing it by lifting or trail braking. The rear tires really weren't engaged very much by looking at the amount of sidewall rollover relative to the fronts.
I can make RSB, tire pressure, and/or Koni adjustments...but before I tweak the car, I thought I would try and tweak the driver. :D
So, to keep it on topic: as a driver, how can I engage the rear of the car a little more WITHOUT making car changes? Surely it's possible.
(and hey, it's Monday, so why not start the week with another stupid n00b autox question?)
Scott
| wrx2.0 555 | 03-08-2004 08:13 AM |
Hopefully this isnt "off topic" for this thread, but I have a question.
We usually auto-x on an old airstrip, Whitehouse for those that have been there, and it is concrete. Its very grippy.
Yesterday, I did an event at Gainesville International Raceway and its asphalt, like roebling road, quite a bit less grippy.
Are there any obvious car setup changes that you guys would do for these two different types of surfaces?
I know a lot will depend on the car/tires etc., but what would be the FIRST thing you would think of to change?
I run in STX on Azenis'. My first run out felt like I was running on ICE. It could of just been me trying to drive like I was at Whitehouse, but the car was all over the place. My second and third runs were much more controlled and improved times.
I ended up actually winning STX, but was disappointed with my times. 3 runs was not enough time to get completely adjusted. (but thats off topic, just me whining :alien: )
Scott
We usually auto-x on an old airstrip, Whitehouse for those that have been there, and it is concrete. Its very grippy.
Yesterday, I did an event at Gainesville International Raceway and its asphalt, like roebling road, quite a bit less grippy.
Are there any obvious car setup changes that you guys would do for these two different types of surfaces?
I know a lot will depend on the car/tires etc., but what would be the FIRST thing you would think of to change?
I run in STX on Azenis'. My first run out felt like I was running on ICE. It could of just been me trying to drive like I was at Whitehouse, but the car was all over the place. My second and third runs were much more controlled and improved times.
I ended up actually winning STX, but was disappointed with my times. 3 runs was not enough time to get completely adjusted. (but thats off topic, just me whining :alien: )
Scott
| KC | 03-08-2004 09:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B] So, to keep it on topic: as a driver, how can I engage the rear of the car a little more WITHOUT making car changes? Surely it's possible.
(and hey, it's Monday, so why not start the week with another stupid n00b autox question?)
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Not much as a driver you can do at that point. Toe out in the rear would be of help in those low speed situations.
[B] So, to keep it on topic: as a driver, how can I engage the rear of the car a little more WITHOUT making car changes? Surely it's possible.
(and hey, it's Monday, so why not start the week with another stupid n00b autox question?)
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
Not much as a driver you can do at that point. Toe out in the rear would be of help in those low speed situations.
| sdecker | 03-08-2004 09:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Not much as a driver you can do at that point. Toe out in the rear would be of help in those low speed situations. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, really? That was not the answer I expected...
I'm in SM, so I have lots of latitude to make mechanical changes. However, I'm going to basically set the car up as vanilla as possible considering all the mods I already have, and just concentrate on improving the driver.
I would rather be a fast driver in a slow car than vice versa. :lol:
Scott
[B]Not much as a driver you can do at that point. Toe out in the rear would be of help in those low speed situations. [/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, really? That was not the answer I expected...
I'm in SM, so I have lots of latitude to make mechanical changes. However, I'm going to basically set the car up as vanilla as possible considering all the mods I already have, and just concentrate on improving the driver.
I would rather be a fast driver in a slow car than vice versa. :lol:
Scott
| trhoppe | 03-08-2004 09:39 AM |
What KC said :)
As far as the concrete to asphalt question.
Concrete obviously is far more grippy then asphalt. In a WRX the way it works (for me and everyone else I talked to) that the slippier the surface the easier the car rotates. I usually turn down the rear pressures or change a rear bar or tow in a tad on asphalt compared to concrete.
-Tom
As far as the concrete to asphalt question.
Concrete obviously is far more grippy then asphalt. In a WRX the way it works (for me and everyone else I talked to) that the slippier the surface the easier the car rotates. I usually turn down the rear pressures or change a rear bar or tow in a tad on asphalt compared to concrete.
-Tom
| DrBiggly | 03-08-2004 10:25 AM |
I know I've personally seen tire pressure in the rear make a notable difference as far as rotation goes. In fact it helped to induce the longest and best drift I have ever seen on an autox course. *cough* Tom and 80psi in the rear *cough* ;) :lol:
The information in this thread is great, by the way. :)
The information in this thread is great, by the way. :)
| sdecker | 03-08-2004 11:25 AM |
Hopefully this isn't WTLW...
For any other autox rookies (or vets, for that matter) who are following this thread, I found an excellent article on the net.
It is technically an autocross course design guide by Roger Johnson, but underneath the title it is great reading, at least for me personally. Having never really seen an autox course before, I found it very helpful in getting a feel for what things may or may not be used, and *why*.
The link leads to a .zip file of a PDF and is roughly 3 megs in size.
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url]
Also from Houston Region -- tons of course maps to look through. I may not have mentioned it yet, but I'm a 'visual' learner and these work great for me.
Hope these folks don't mind me linking their goodness.
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/course_maps.aspx[/url]
Enjoy,
Scott
For any other autox rookies (or vets, for that matter) who are following this thread, I found an excellent article on the net.
It is technically an autocross course design guide by Roger Johnson, but underneath the title it is great reading, at least for me personally. Having never really seen an autox course before, I found it very helpful in getting a feel for what things may or may not be used, and *why*.
The link leads to a .zip file of a PDF and is roughly 3 megs in size.
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url]
Also from Houston Region -- tons of course maps to look through. I may not have mentioned it yet, but I'm a 'visual' learner and these work great for me.
Hope these folks don't mind me linking their goodness.
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/course_maps.aspx[/url]
Enjoy,
Scott
| TyrannoSullyRex | 03-08-2004 11:34 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B]Hope these folks don't mind me linking their goodness.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, we don't mind.
Every year in Houston Region we have an autox school for noobs where Roger teaches a bit on lines, "visual garbage" and how to pick your way through the cones. We then have a 2 to 1 student/teacher session (in-car) with activities like trail braking, apexes and slaloms. Then we have lunch and have a full course that all of the students run with the instructors to put the whole thing together. It's not Evolution School but it does help the new people get into enjoying the sport quicker. Plus they get a TON of seat time in one day.
[B]Hope these folks don't mind me linking their goodness.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Nope, we don't mind.
Every year in Houston Region we have an autox school for noobs where Roger teaches a bit on lines, "visual garbage" and how to pick your way through the cones. We then have a 2 to 1 student/teacher session (in-car) with activities like trail braking, apexes and slaloms. Then we have lunch and have a full course that all of the students run with the instructors to put the whole thing together. It's not Evolution School but it does help the new people get into enjoying the sport quicker. Plus they get a TON of seat time in one day.
| hillman | 03-08-2004 11:39 AM |
I haven't been reading this thread, and I hope no one minds if I go back to the original question for a moment.
The answer is two-fold, partly related to the tightness of the corners in an autocross, and partly to the frequency.
First, the difference in distance between a wide-line and a tight-line around a sharp corner ( with a small radius ) is larger than around a curve with a larger radius. Since most Solo2 corners have smaller radii than most track corners, the "shortest distance" line is more advantageous than it would be on a track. Another factor is that you spend essentially all your time on Solo2 course cornering, but a much smaller percentage is spent cornering on a track.
Far more importantly, a given corner on a Solo2 course is far less likely to be a Type 1 corner than a corner on a track. That means your exit speed, which is crucial on track, is less important for most Solo2 corners. There are still Type 1 corners on Solo2 courses, but you won't generally see fast people sacrificing their exit speed by driving them tight.
Hope that helps someone.
As an aside, I think smoothness is over-rated. Not that it shouldn't be strived for, but I know fast people who are not at all smooth, and smooth people who are not fast. I'm slower when I'm smooth. It's good to be smooth, but it won't make you fast all by itself.
The answer is two-fold, partly related to the tightness of the corners in an autocross, and partly to the frequency.
First, the difference in distance between a wide-line and a tight-line around a sharp corner ( with a small radius ) is larger than around a curve with a larger radius. Since most Solo2 corners have smaller radii than most track corners, the "shortest distance" line is more advantageous than it would be on a track. Another factor is that you spend essentially all your time on Solo2 course cornering, but a much smaller percentage is spent cornering on a track.
Far more importantly, a given corner on a Solo2 course is far less likely to be a Type 1 corner than a corner on a track. That means your exit speed, which is crucial on track, is less important for most Solo2 corners. There are still Type 1 corners on Solo2 courses, but you won't generally see fast people sacrificing their exit speed by driving them tight.
Hope that helps someone.
As an aside, I think smoothness is over-rated. Not that it shouldn't be strived for, but I know fast people who are not at all smooth, and smooth people who are not fast. I'm slower when I'm smooth. It's good to be smooth, but it won't make you fast all by itself.
| Watkinsm3 | 03-08-2004 11:52 AM |
Roger Johnson's course design is a great read even if you never plan to build a course your whole life. It gives great insight into how they're going to try and trick you with course flow. It helped me make more use of my course walks as well. I just suggested that to another 2nd year autocrosser last week to read. Excellent addition to this thread.
-Matt
-Matt
| ITWRX4ME | 03-08-2004 03:26 PM |
Matt, where can we get a copy of Roger Johnson's book(?)?
| TyrannoSullyRex | 03-08-2004 03:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ITWRX4ME[/i]
[B] Matt, where can we get a copy of Roger Johnson's book(?)? [/B][/QUOTE]
From the link above in sdecker's post.
this one:
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url]
[B] Matt, where can we get a copy of Roger Johnson's book(?)? [/B][/QUOTE]
From the link above in sdecker's post.
this one:
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url]
| sdecker | 03-08-2004 03:36 PM |
w00t for kick ass, *FREE* info!
:banana:
:banana:
| Watkinsm3 | 03-08-2004 03:40 PM |
I'm so slow to respond... I hope my driving isn't that slow this weekend!!!
Matt, Praying for a his first dry (and non-snow covered) event with the STi.
Matt, Praying for a his first dry (and non-snow covered) event with the STi.
| KC | 03-08-2004 03:54 PM |
Heh. I know the feeling. April still brings snow to our 1st events every few years... but I'll be out in Sunny San Bernadino this weeked for the Pro. :p
| Watkinsm3 | 03-08-2004 06:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC[/i]
[B] but I'll be out in Sunny San Bernadino this weeked for the Pro. :p [/B][/QUOTE]
Soooo jealous...
[B] but I'll be out in Sunny San Bernadino this weeked for the Pro. :p [/B][/QUOTE]
Soooo jealous...
| sdecker | 03-09-2004 07:53 AM |
Looks like [COLOR=crimson]Complete n00b Racing[/COLOR] (heh) is going to have a high of 63 and 40 percent chance of scattered t-storms on Sunday...
I'm guessing that would normally be a good thing, but most of the other cars entered in SM are also Scoobies. :(
Scott
I'm guessing that would normally be a good thing, but most of the other cars entered in SM are also Scoobies. :(
Scott
| ITWRX4ME | 03-09-2004 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TyrannoSullyRex[/i]
[B] From the link above in sdecker's post.
this one:
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B] w00t for kick ass, *FREE* info!
:banana: [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks! Sorry I missed it the first time. Now let's see if I can get it passed the network nannies (ninnies) at work. :devil:
[B] From the link above in sdecker's post.
this one:
[url]http://www.houscca.com/solo2/coursedesign.zip[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker[/i]
[B] w00t for kick ass, *FREE* info!
:banana: [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks! Sorry I missed it the first time. Now let's see if I can get it passed the network nannies (ninnies) at work. :devil:
| sdecker | 03-09-2004 08:42 AM |
If you have trouble, let me know. I'm unusually...gifted...in that department. :D
| wrx2.0 555 | 03-10-2004 07:18 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]If you have trouble, let me know. I'm unusually...gifted...in that department. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I think a lot of us could use a "How to Bypass Surf Control" manual. ;) :D :devil:
[B]If you have trouble, let me know. I'm unusually...gifted...in that department. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I think a lot of us could use a "How to Bypass Surf Control" manual. ;) :D :devil:
| sdecker | 03-14-2004 09:28 PM |
Well, just to bump this back up, as promised:
My first autox was today, and boy, did I have fun!
I must admit that it was more fun than I expected to have. I can certainly see where the shorter line is more advantageous in certain areas now, so this thread was extremely helpful in that way. If I had stubbornly insisted on the road race line, I would have done much worse.
I ran in SM, not novice. My car is not prepped anywhere near the limits of the rules at this point.
I took three ride-alongs with my co-driver Wayne to get the feel of the course, then went for it.
First run was a 56.xx with 2 cones. I let a pointer cone fool me into early apexing a sweeper, heh.
2nd and 3rd runs were 53.4x and no cones on either. I was pretty happy about that, actually.
Anyway, I wanted to take the time to say 'thanks' to everyone for all the helpful advice. I really appreciate it and I'm sure that the advice was worth quite a few seconds out there. I plan to autox for the rest of the summer and for the foreseeable future. It's much cheaper than track time. :D
Thanks again, all!
Scott
My first autox was today, and boy, did I have fun!
I must admit that it was more fun than I expected to have. I can certainly see where the shorter line is more advantageous in certain areas now, so this thread was extremely helpful in that way. If I had stubbornly insisted on the road race line, I would have done much worse.
I ran in SM, not novice. My car is not prepped anywhere near the limits of the rules at this point.
I took three ride-alongs with my co-driver Wayne to get the feel of the course, then went for it.
First run was a 56.xx with 2 cones. I let a pointer cone fool me into early apexing a sweeper, heh.
2nd and 3rd runs were 53.4x and no cones on either. I was pretty happy about that, actually.
Anyway, I wanted to take the time to say 'thanks' to everyone for all the helpful advice. I really appreciate it and I'm sure that the advice was worth quite a few seconds out there. I plan to autox for the rest of the summer and for the foreseeable future. It's much cheaper than track time. :D
Thanks again, all!
Scott
| Kostamojen | 03-14-2004 10:23 PM |
Awesome, glad you had fun :D Was your body shaking because of the adreneline rush after the first run?
| AndyRoo | 03-14-2004 10:41 PM |
this is a great thread, thanks everyone
| sdecker | 03-15-2004 07:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]Awesome, glad you had fun :D Was your body shaking because of the adreneline rush after the first run? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it was. Overall it was a very cool experience and I will continue to participate, at least locally. Atlanta region claims they had ~260 cars -- their biggest turnout ever. :eek:
Scott
[B]Awesome, glad you had fun :D Was your body shaking because of the adreneline rush after the first run? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, it was. Overall it was a very cool experience and I will continue to participate, at least locally. Atlanta region claims they had ~260 cars -- their biggest turnout ever. :eek:
Scott
| Storm | 03-15-2004 08:51 AM |
That's a mighty big event! Glad you had a great time and were able to see where some of the traditionally unorthodox advice came into play on course.
I still get the shakes after a good run too!
Have fun,
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
I still get the shakes after a good run too!
Have fun,
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| sdecker | 03-15-2004 08:57 AM |
Will do, Jay -- and thanks for the advice!
Scott
Scott
| sdecker | 03-15-2004 10:19 AM |
Also, I forgot to mention -- I was very impressed by the harnesses I installed (Schroth). It was *so* much easier to tell what the car was doing underneath me. Harnesses are expensive, but worth it IMHO.
The results came out this morning. Out of 250+ registered drivers I pax'ed 121st. Certainly leaves a lot on the table, doesn't it!!! But I had great fun at my first autox, so who cares!
Take care folks!
Scott
The results came out this morning. Out of 250+ registered drivers I pax'ed 121st. Certainly leaves a lot on the table, doesn't it!!! But I had great fun at my first autox, so who cares!
Take care folks!
Scott
| Storm | 03-15-2004 12:47 PM |
Well, being your first event...don't weigh too heavily on the PAX results. You're in a pretty tough class. Much tougher than STS or X anyway. As long as your times improved from the first run to the last....you did well. If you beat a few guys along the way, that's even better. It sounds like you have the right outlook on it though. Just keep going and getting better & better.
Just don't try to use all that autocross knowledge when you get back out onto the track.....
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
Just don't try to use all that autocross knowledge when you get back out onto the track.....
Jay Storm
[url]www.sourcemotorsports.com[/url]
| lo-buck | 03-16-2004 02:21 PM |
:banana:
| Kostamojen | 03-16-2004 05:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sdecker [/i]
[B]Also, I forgot to mention -- I was very impressed by the harnesses I installed (Schroth). It was *so* much easier to tell what the car was doing underneath me. Harnesses are expensive, but worth it IMHO.
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
I concure 100% with that.
[B]Also, I forgot to mention -- I was very impressed by the harnesses I installed (Schroth). It was *so* much easier to tell what the car was doing underneath me. Harnesses are expensive, but worth it IMHO.
Scott [/B][/QUOTE]
I concure 100% with that.
| thechickencow | 03-17-2004 01:44 AM |
Hehe, that link to the course design book says:
"Number of pylons hit:
-The goal is zero
-Acceptable is 1 car in 10 hitting any; no more than 3 for any one car"
I think I now have an excuse for mowing down multiple cones on 50% of my runs!
"Number of pylons hit:
-The goal is zero
-Acceptable is 1 car in 10 hitting any; no more than 3 for any one car"
I think I now have an excuse for mowing down multiple cones on 50% of my runs!
| sdecker | 03-17-2004 07:29 AM |
I took out 4 on my first run ever...I was originally going to use the excuse of cold tires, but I think I like 'poor course design' even better. :D
Scott
Scott
| Kostamojen | 03-17-2004 05:24 PM |
It took me 3 autox's to hit any cones :p (My car couldnt be pushed that hard at first, so I never ended up in any situations where I would hit any) Now I hit at least 1-3 every event :)
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