| grippgoat | 09-18-2006 05:51 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;15287995]Torsen will not solve the rear differential issue with inside rear wheel lift. [/QUOTE]
Actually, aren't Torsens notoriously bad for situations when one wheel is in the air, or on a drastically traction-limited surface compared to the other wheel?
-Mike
Actually, aren't Torsens notoriously bad for situations when one wheel is in the air, or on a drastically traction-limited surface compared to the other wheel?
-Mike
| MattNJ2.8 | 09-18-2006 06:03 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;15289686]Actually, aren't Torsens notoriously bad for situations when one wheel is in the air, or on a drastically traction-limited surface compared to the other wheel?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Yes. (Audi guy here)
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Yes. (Audi guy here)
| zzyzx | 09-18-2006 06:31 PM |
[QUOTE=AustinTX]The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now utilize solid rubber engine mounts[/quote]
Note sure what they mean by this. I'll have to see the part in question. the '04 mounts are the best as they're metal/rubber.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The Sodium filled exhaust valves have been deleted from the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a revised cylinder head design to improve cooling
[/quote]
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now comply with the LEV 2 emissions rating
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a secondary air pump to improve emissions
[/quote]
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have new gear ratios in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear for improved fuel economy and drivability
[/quote]
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now utilize a TORSEN Limited Slip Rear Differential in the for enhanced performance
[/quote]
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
Front:
The high caster settings used in 2006 have been changed to normal caster settings for 2007
Rear:
The 20mm rear stabilizer bar for 2006 has been changed to a 19mm stabilizer bar for 2007
[/quote]
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The wheelbase of the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited is 99.4 due to the normal castor settings of the suspension[/QUOTE]
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.
Note sure what they mean by this. I'll have to see the part in question. the '04 mounts are the best as they're metal/rubber.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The Sodium filled exhaust valves have been deleted from the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a revised cylinder head design to improve cooling
[/quote]
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now comply with the LEV 2 emissions rating
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a secondary air pump to improve emissions
[/quote]
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have new gear ratios in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear for improved fuel economy and drivability
[/quote]
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now utilize a TORSEN Limited Slip Rear Differential in the for enhanced performance
[/quote]
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
Front:
The high caster settings used in 2006 have been changed to normal caster settings for 2007
Rear:
The 20mm rear stabilizer bar for 2006 has been changed to a 19mm stabilizer bar for 2007
[/quote]
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
[QUOTE=AustinTX]
The wheelbase of the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited is 99.4 due to the normal castor settings of the suspension[/QUOTE]
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.
| WJM | 09-18-2006 07:24 PM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx;15290217]Note sure what they mean by this. I'll have to see the part in question. the '04 mounts are the best as they're metal/rubber.
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.[/QUOTE]
Ah, VERY well said. My thoughts exactly.
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.[/QUOTE]
Ah, VERY well said. My thoughts exactly.
| gbwrx | 09-18-2006 07:51 PM |
I was kinda regretting my decision to get an 06 and not wait for the 07....but not now.:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
| AustinTX | 09-18-2006 07:58 PM |
I saw the writing on the wall and grabbed a white/gold '06 last week :D
| AndyRoo | 09-18-2006 09:04 PM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx;15290217]Note sure what they mean by this. I'll have to see the part in question. the '04 mounts are the best as they're metal/rubber.
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.[/QUOTE]
well put.
07 is lame.
Sound like cost cutting measures to me.
I can't think of any emissions related changes that are a + for performance.
Could be good or bad depending on how they pan out. Reason behind it is not performance-related, however.
You should only utilize a Torsen type diff in the front of a Subaru. Modified Imprezas tend to lift rear wheels in high-G corners, which will render this diff useless. Torsen is a torque multiplier and 0 * 0 still equals 0.
Two changes that to me seem to have come for the legal department, not the performance department.
So, they have different front LCAs, with less castor. Not good at all.
This will seal the fate of the Evo vs. STi battle. Sadly, this release of the STi is one to avoid. Go with an earlier one, or wait untill the next generation.[/QUOTE]
well put.
07 is lame.
| midlifecrisis | 09-18-2006 10:22 PM |
I'm sure that there was a cost reduction goal in here somewhere; however the plan around the changes could have gone something like this:
- Change to a Torsen rear diff to reduce the "push" that occurs in corners under partial throttle in prior model years. At the cornering limit, a little more throttle pushes my '05 wide. Hard throttle will snap to oversteer. Evos don't do this. This could be a significant improvement in the stock car.
- Since the new diff needs both tires on the ground to work well, change to a smaller sway bar. Still has reduced understeer.
- Decided that the additional caster wasn't helping much - could go to the steel (cheap) control arm yet still net a car with less understeer.
- Gearing change to improve 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for the magazines.
Just trying to rationalize the decisions that Subaru made. It will be interesting to see the first test results from C&D or? My bet is that the magazine data looks better than the '05-'06.
BTW, for all of you interested in the '05s, my '05 STi will be for sale when the MY08 comes out.
- Change to a Torsen rear diff to reduce the "push" that occurs in corners under partial throttle in prior model years. At the cornering limit, a little more throttle pushes my '05 wide. Hard throttle will snap to oversteer. Evos don't do this. This could be a significant improvement in the stock car.
- Since the new diff needs both tires on the ground to work well, change to a smaller sway bar. Still has reduced understeer.
- Decided that the additional caster wasn't helping much - could go to the steel (cheap) control arm yet still net a car with less understeer.
- Gearing change to improve 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for the magazines.
Just trying to rationalize the decisions that Subaru made. It will be interesting to see the first test results from C&D or? My bet is that the magazine data looks better than the '05-'06.
BTW, for all of you interested in the '05s, my '05 STi will be for sale when the MY08 comes out.
| REX8 | 09-18-2006 10:32 PM |
[QUOTE=salisburyv;15175372]But 04 is the lightest...and 06 is the fastest out of the box....they all feel the same to me, well.....except mine is faster lol!!![/QUOTE]
No, the EARLY 04's with the jacked up timing were the FASTEST out of the box...
No, the EARLY 04's with the jacked up timing were the FASTEST out of the box...
| nxttruck2002 | 09-18-2006 11:09 PM |
[B]The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now utilize solid rubber engine mounts[/B]
That's good. No more gel filled mounts to complain about or break.
[B]The Sodium filled exhaust valves have been deleted from the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a revised cylinder head design to improve cooling[/B]
I don't see any down-grade... Any help guys? :)
[B]Front:
The high caster settings used in 2006 have been changed to normal caster settings for 2007
Rear:
The 20mm rear stabilizer bar for 2006 has been changed to a 19mm stabilizer bar for 2007[/B]
I'm probably going to change the sway bars, anyways. :D
[B]The wheelbase of the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited is 99.4 due to the normal castor settings of the suspension[/B]
Is the caster adjustable(don't you have to get coilovers?)?
That's good. No more gel filled mounts to complain about or break.
[B]The Sodium filled exhaust valves have been deleted from the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited
The WRX STI and WRX STI Limited now have a revised cylinder head design to improve cooling[/B]
I don't see any down-grade... Any help guys? :)
[B]Front:
The high caster settings used in 2006 have been changed to normal caster settings for 2007
Rear:
The 20mm rear stabilizer bar for 2006 has been changed to a 19mm stabilizer bar for 2007[/B]
I'm probably going to change the sway bars, anyways. :D
[B]The wheelbase of the WRX STI and WRX STI Limited is 99.4 due to the normal castor settings of the suspension[/B]
Is the caster adjustable(don't you have to get coilovers?)?
| AUTOwrXER | 09-20-2006 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;15289686]Actually, aren't Torsens notoriously bad for situations when one wheel is in the air, or on a drastically traction-limited surface compared to the other wheel?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That is why I said it would NOT solve the issue with rear wheel lift. If both rear wheels are on the ground, however, it will probably work better than the Sure-trac rear diff. It would be hard for anything not to work better than a Sure-trac.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
Exactly. That is why I said it would NOT solve the issue with rear wheel lift. If both rear wheels are on the ground, however, it will probably work better than the Sure-trac rear diff. It would be hard for anything not to work better than a Sure-trac.
| 10th Warrior | 09-20-2006 11:55 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;15312990]Exactly. That is why I said it would NOT solve the issue with rear wheel lift. If both rear wheels are on the ground, however, it will probably work better than the Sure-trac rear diff. It would be hard for anything not to work better than a Sure-trac.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.napsusa.com/cgi-bin/napsusa/LSD-182-L15.html]Problem solved :) [/url]
[url=http://www.napsusa.com/cgi-bin/napsusa/LSD-182-L15.html]Problem solved :) [/url]
| jjjheimer | 09-20-2006 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=midlifecrisis;15293065]
- Since the new diff needs both tires on the ground to work well, change to a smaller sway bar. Still has reduced understeer.
[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting nugget - so if one upgrades to a 22mm or 24mm RSB and blows the Torsen diff kiss replacement under warranty goodbye.
- Since the new diff needs both tires on the ground to work well, change to a smaller sway bar. Still has reduced understeer.
[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting nugget - so if one upgrades to a 22mm or 24mm RSB and blows the Torsen diff kiss replacement under warranty goodbye.
| thehollowrift | 09-20-2006 12:25 PM |
bummer.
I would still bet money on a modded sti vs a modded evo...
I think this MY is amusing because of all those little SPT parts they released semi-recently....
Most people who do some serious racing prefer to have ppg gear sets. Hell I thought about picking 1-6th up for my daily driver sti.... and then the finances hit me!
I realize that SOA and Subaru Japan can't really release the same car in both places for marketing reasons.... but you would think by now that SOA would realize that we love the asian market stuff right down to the dang jdm headlights..... COME ON SOA GIVE US SOMETHING GOOD FOR 08.......
IF SUBARU OF AMERICA WANTED AN ECONOMICAL CAR...... THEY SHOULD BRING THE SUBARU STELLA TO THE US.......... who knows what im talkin about?
I would still bet money on a modded sti vs a modded evo...
I think this MY is amusing because of all those little SPT parts they released semi-recently....
Most people who do some serious racing prefer to have ppg gear sets. Hell I thought about picking 1-6th up for my daily driver sti.... and then the finances hit me!
I realize that SOA and Subaru Japan can't really release the same car in both places for marketing reasons.... but you would think by now that SOA would realize that we love the asian market stuff right down to the dang jdm headlights..... COME ON SOA GIVE US SOMETHING GOOD FOR 08.......
IF SUBARU OF AMERICA WANTED AN ECONOMICAL CAR...... THEY SHOULD BRING THE SUBARU STELLA TO THE US.......... who knows what im talkin about?
| Call_me_Tom | 09-20-2006 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;15293192]No, the EARLY 04's with the jacked up timing were the FASTEST out of the box...[/QUOTE]
The '04 had a more aggressive tune out of the box. The '06 is faster around a track out of the box.
The '04 had a more aggressive tune out of the box. The '06 is faster around a track out of the box.
| ToddStratton | 09-21-2006 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE=krazyK1371;15322166]The '04 had a more aggressive tune out of the box. The '06 is faster around a track out of the box.[/QUOTE]
Probably true, but it'd be interesting to put bone stock 04, 05, 06, and 07 STis through a track and test course regime...with one experienced driver. And new RE07s...
Happy with my jacked-up-fast-outta the box 04...
Todd
Probably true, but it'd be interesting to put bone stock 04, 05, 06, and 07 STis through a track and test course regime...with one experienced driver. And new RE07s...
Happy with my jacked-up-fast-outta the box 04...
Todd
| widespread panic | 09-21-2006 05:00 PM |
I was at the East coast shootout. Subaru had a '07 STI on display. This is what I noticed.
1)The green brackets that are over the WRX injectors are now on the STI,only silver.
2) All STI's that have BBS wheels(non-limited) now have the cool STI center caps that are on the S-204 wheels. The subaru rep said ALL will have these center caps.
1)The green brackets that are over the WRX injectors are now on the STI,only silver.
2) All STI's that have BBS wheels(non-limited) now have the cool STI center caps that are on the S-204 wheels. The subaru rep said ALL will have these center caps.
| rbahr | 09-21-2006 09:46 PM |
Hi All,
my $.02...
Changing to the JDM 5th & 6th gears was one of the best things I did to my car (along with going from the 04 front spindles to the 05)
Sodium valves are good for cooling, bad for environment and $$$ when repacing (I think they are a nice touch as heat is the single biggest problem with this car)
Rear bar - who cares - it is one of the 1st things I change, same with the front bar and the motor mounts etc (anything that has a group N replacement)
Steel front arms - cheap...
All in All, this car is going up scale and becomming less of a near track car - I would gladly pay more for a car that came with a close ratio box, upgraded bushings, adjustable suspension, cooling ducts, oil coolers etc - but then this is a track car for me and YMMV...
Ray
my $.02...
Changing to the JDM 5th & 6th gears was one of the best things I did to my car (along with going from the 04 front spindles to the 05)
Sodium valves are good for cooling, bad for environment and $$$ when repacing (I think they are a nice touch as heat is the single biggest problem with this car)
Rear bar - who cares - it is one of the 1st things I change, same with the front bar and the motor mounts etc (anything that has a group N replacement)
Steel front arms - cheap...
All in All, this car is going up scale and becomming less of a near track car - I would gladly pay more for a car that came with a close ratio box, upgraded bushings, adjustable suspension, cooling ducts, oil coolers etc - but then this is a track car for me and YMMV...
Ray
| DTECH-WRX | 10-21-2006 11:42 AM |
I can't believe how many changes Subaru has made to the STi and some of the other vehicles year to year. :eek:
I guess better or worse is all a matter of opinion and personal preference.
Bottom line for me, I'm extremely happy with my '06! :banana:
I guess better or worse is all a matter of opinion and personal preference.
Bottom line for me, I'm extremely happy with my '06! :banana:
| AUTOwrXER | 10-26-2006 12:11 AM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior;15313110][url=http://www.napsusa.com/cgi-bin/napsusa/LSD-182-L15.html]Problem solved :) [/url][/QUOTE]
Or you could pay half of that and get a better diff :D
Or you could pay half of that and get a better diff :D
| RAAZ227 | 10-26-2006 12:51 AM |
Let's just wait till there is a full test on the 07. A lot of guessing here. I don't think Subaru would intentionally hurt a successful car. There has to be proper reasoning for these changes. As for the valves, I thing the revised cylinder head design makes up for that change. This is a performance car not a highly produced city commuter. People will still pay the price for a STi, that has never been an issue. If STi's were sitting on the lot I could see a cost issue.
Just my 02
Just my 02
| 10th Warrior | 10-26-2006 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;15752756]Or you could pay half of that and get a better diff :D[/QUOTE]
pshaw :p
pshaw :p
| Scooby South | 10-26-2006 10:38 AM |
[QUOTE=Uber Wagon;15174610]Looks to me like the '05 is still the winner....[/QUOTE]
Ding...
Ding...
| Mad06STi | 10-26-2006 12:26 PM |
I've noticed alot of people choosing the 04 or 05 STi's as the obvious winners and I wanted to ask why that is?
I bought my 06 in february, coming off an AWD DSM. My two upgrade choices obviously were between an EVO IX and the STi...
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
I didn't do INTENSE research on the STi lineup, so I'm wondering if I made the right choice here. Any reason I should have gone 05 instead?
I bought my 06 in february, coming off an AWD DSM. My two upgrade choices obviously were between an EVO IX and the STi...
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
I didn't do INTENSE research on the STi lineup, so I'm wondering if I made the right choice here. Any reason I should have gone 05 instead?
| Scooby South | 10-26-2006 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE=Mad06STi;15757755]I've noticed alot of people choosing the 04 or 05 STi's as the obvious winners and I wanted to ask why that is?
I bought my 06 in february, coming off an AWD DSM. My two upgrade choices obviously were between an EVO IX and the STi...
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
I didn't do INTENSE research on the STi lineup, so I'm wondering if I made the right choice here. Any reason I should have gone 05 instead?[/QUOTE]
05>06= styling...same drivetrain for the most part...Steering angle sensor and more agressive castor setting on the 06...not enough to make a huge difference...however the 06's seem to come fast out of the box for AutoX...Some supension tweaks on the 05..its right there...the jury is still out on the 07's...but for what its worth..I am glad I have an 05...;)..Steering rack change in 05 and rear fender flares also make the 05 + more disireable....as well as the new interior....bigger Sway's and better wheel bearing assembly for 05 was also in the mix...:)
Your 06 is up there as well...but most of the changes the 06 has are minor compared to the 04 to 05 MY....then it just comes down to styling..:)..hope that helps...The gearing changes, different colors.., STi center caps, the ltd package makes a nice package...but the most RAW STi was the 04-05 cars...with some super aggressive in your face styling..:)...
Bill
I bought my 06 in february, coming off an AWD DSM. My two upgrade choices obviously were between an EVO IX and the STi...
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
I didn't do INTENSE research on the STi lineup, so I'm wondering if I made the right choice here. Any reason I should have gone 05 instead?[/QUOTE]
05>06= styling...same drivetrain for the most part...Steering angle sensor and more agressive castor setting on the 06...not enough to make a huge difference...however the 06's seem to come fast out of the box for AutoX...Some supension tweaks on the 05..its right there...the jury is still out on the 07's...but for what its worth..I am glad I have an 05...;)..Steering rack change in 05 and rear fender flares also make the 05 + more disireable....as well as the new interior....bigger Sway's and better wheel bearing assembly for 05 was also in the mix...:)
Your 06 is up there as well...but most of the changes the 06 has are minor compared to the 04 to 05 MY....then it just comes down to styling..:)..hope that helps...The gearing changes, different colors.., STi center caps, the ltd package makes a nice package...but the most RAW STi was the 04-05 cars...with some super aggressive in your face styling..:)...
Bill
| Fred | 10-26-2006 09:36 PM |
I'm pretty happy with my stock 04. :) Makes a great daily driver, and we have lots of fun on autox, rallyx & road courses. And unless I'm up against a really good driver with $$$ in suspension & power, it does ok.
[QUOTE]the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer[/QUOTE]
If you go to manual mode and drive it the way it was meant to be driven (which involves lots of sliding & spinning of tires)... what understeer? :lol:
[QUOTE]the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer[/QUOTE]
If you go to manual mode and drive it the way it was meant to be driven (which involves lots of sliding & spinning of tires)... what understeer? :lol:
| afpdl | 10-26-2006 10:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Mad06STi;15757755]
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
[/QUOTE]
In regards to on throttle oversteer they have actually tightened the car up since the 04 each year.
I would not have even considered the 06 STi had it not been for the improvements to the diff and other improvements that (to my knowledge) cured the previous STi's notoriously bad understeer.
[/QUOTE]
In regards to on throttle oversteer they have actually tightened the car up since the 04 each year.
| Warp3 | 10-27-2006 11:45 AM |
...and the 05 STi weighs 88 lbs less than the 06 STi...
| AUTOwrXER | 10-27-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=Warp3;15771394]...and the 05 STi weighs 88 lbs less than the 06 STi...[/QUOTE]
Ding.
Ding.
| Scooby South | 10-27-2006 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Warp3;15771394]...and the 05 STi weighs 88 lbs less than the 06 STi...[/QUOTE]
that too...:)
Bill
that too...:)
Bill
| grippgoat | 10-27-2006 02:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Warp3;15771394]...and the 05 STi weighs 88 lbs less than the 06 STi...[/QUOTE]
But like 40 pounds more than 04, only a certain amount of which can be explained by the stereo.
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike
But like 40 pounds more than 04, only a certain amount of which can be explained by the stereo.
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike
| Mad06STi | 10-27-2006 02:56 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;15774230]But like 40 pounds more than 04, only a certain amount of which can be explained by the stereo.
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
I *do* have a second wing :lol:
But on that note its probably body work or some miscellaneous crap. I was also inlove w/ the 04-05 styling and hated the 06 at first. But when i saw it at the dealership it looked completely different than the pictures and its grown on me.
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
I *do* have a second wing :lol:
But on that note its probably body work or some miscellaneous crap. I was also inlove w/ the 04-05 styling and hated the 06 at first. But when i saw it at the dealership it looked completely different than the pictures and its grown on me.
| Fred | 10-27-2006 06:12 PM |
side curtain airbags & other safety-related crap, probably.
| Fred | 10-27-2006 06:16 PM |
Oh, and the 06 is around 500 lbs heavier than my 2.5RS - so why isn't the RS faster? :lol:
(actually it is at certain events :devil: )
(actually it is at certain events :devil: )
| AUTOwrXER | 10-27-2006 07:22 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred;15776791]Oh, and the 06 is around 500 lbs heavier than my 2.5RS - so why isn't the RS faster? :lol:
(actually it is at certain events :devil: )[/QUOTE]
Its the powa!
(actually it is at certain events :devil: )[/QUOTE]
Its the powa!
| AUTOwrXER | 10-27-2006 07:23 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat;15774230]
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
The underbody has more plastic than a Ford interior, so that's probably part of it as well.
But seriously, how the heck did subaru add *88* pounds for 06?
-Mike[/QUOTE]
The underbody has more plastic than a Ford interior, so that's probably part of it as well.
| RAAZ227 | 10-28-2006 09:56 PM |
Motor Trend is clocking the 06 @ [email�protected] compared to the 04 clocking [email�protected] (MT 2004)? Some are saying with the revised 07 tranny it's faster then the 06 in the 1/4....
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.
| Fred | 10-29-2006 08:57 AM |
Did the cornering and braking numbers improve? We don't all live life 1/4 mile at a time. :rolleyes:
| Mad06STi | 10-29-2006 12:57 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred;15789285]Did the cornering and braking numbers improve? We don't all live life 1/4 mile at a time. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
We don't all live for 1/4 mile times, but I was under the impression that the 06 was better balanced. Am I wrong?
We don't all live for 1/4 mile times, but I was under the impression that the 06 was better balanced. Am I wrong?
| RAAZ227 | 10-29-2006 02:56 PM |
Well actually it did!
The 04 ran the 600ft slalom 69.1MPH Where the 06 ran the slalom at 68.8MPH. They didnt have the road course to compare so I could only use the slalom.
The 04 ran the 600ft slalom 69.1MPH Where the 06 ran the slalom at 68.8MPH. They didnt have the road course to compare so I could only use the slalom.
| zoomfactor | 10-29-2006 03:31 PM |
[QUOTE=RAAZ227;15791525]Well actually it did!
The 04 ran the 600ft slalom 69.1MPH Where the 06 ran the slalom at 68.8MPH. They didnt have the road course to compare so I could only use the slalom.[/QUOTE]
So close as to be almost meaningless - you could get this difference just due to treadwear - not to mention tire compound, or minor alignment changes due to the beating the automotive press gives the cars.
The 04 ran the 600ft slalom 69.1MPH Where the 06 ran the slalom at 68.8MPH. They didnt have the road course to compare so I could only use the slalom.[/QUOTE]
So close as to be almost meaningless - you could get this difference just due to treadwear - not to mention tire compound, or minor alignment changes due to the beating the automotive press gives the cars.
| Fred | 10-29-2006 03:56 PM |
I guess it's time to go test drive an 06, so I'll know firsthand what the differences are... :devil:
| RAAZ227 | 10-30-2006 08:42 AM |
[QUOTE=zoomfactor;15791807]So close as to be almost meaningless - you could get this difference just due to treadwear - not to mention tire compound, or minor alignment changes due to the beating the automotive press gives the cars.[/QUOTE]
Agreed..
Agreed..
| AtomicRacer | 10-30-2006 08:56 AM |
[QUOTE=RAAZ227;15786404]Motor Trend is clocking the 06 @ [email�protected] compared to the 04 clocking [email�protected] (MT 2004)? Some are saying with the revised 07 tranny it's faster then the 06 in the 1/4....
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.[/QUOTE]
Those no driving idiots. There isn't a major car magazine (C&D, MT, etc) writer born yet who can drive worth a spit.
-Paul
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.[/QUOTE]
Those no driving idiots. There isn't a major car magazine (C&D, MT, etc) writer born yet who can drive worth a spit.
-Paul
| Mykl | 10-30-2006 09:15 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;15312990]Exactly. That is why I said it would NOT solve the issue with rear wheel lift. If both rear wheels are on the ground, however, it will probably work better than the Sure-trac rear diff. It would be hard for anything not to work better than a Sure-trac.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with the Sure-Trac? It seems to work just fine. It doesn't bite as dramatically as a helical diff, but when it grabs it grabs hard.
Do you have practical experience with it that goes beyond a couple of autocross runs or are you just saying that because you have an '05?
What's wrong with the Sure-Trac? It seems to work just fine. It doesn't bite as dramatically as a helical diff, but when it grabs it grabs hard.
Do you have practical experience with it that goes beyond a couple of autocross runs or are you just saying that because you have an '05?
| Mad06STi | 10-30-2006 09:51 AM |
[QUOTE=RAAZ227;15786404]Motor Trend is clocking the 06 @ [email�protected] compared to the 04 clocking [email�protected] (MT 2004)? Some are saying with the revised 07 tranny it's faster then the 06 in the 1/4....
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.[/QUOTE]
Given those trap speeds it looks like the 04 is noticably faster, ET is more an indication of the driver really.
So.. I don't see the extra weight being an issue.[/QUOTE]
Given those trap speeds it looks like the 04 is noticably faster, ET is more an indication of the driver really.
| jtsimaras | 11-19-2006 12:20 AM |
My .02 $ 07 was a cost saving year for the imprezza line. I just traded my 06 wagon 2.5i in for an 06 wagon wrx. Some notable differences on the 2.5i where exterior short cuts such as no chrome exhaust tip, no body skirts and chrome tail lights instead of painted dark grey. I picked up an aspen white wrx the new pearly girly white is too much acura/honda color for me.
| K1WRC | 11-19-2006 02:42 PM |
I was wondering if someone could straighten this out for me.
I thought that the base wrx's had 3.5 degrees of caster
the '04 STi had 4.5
and the '05, '06 had 5.5
am I right? just wondering because after reading this there were people saying the '06 had more caster.
Thanks,
Ken
I thought that the base wrx's had 3.5 degrees of caster
the '04 STi had 4.5
and the '05, '06 had 5.5
am I right? just wondering because after reading this there were people saying the '06 had more caster.
Thanks,
Ken
| afpdl | 11-19-2006 02:51 PM |
The 04,05 and 06 all had the same lower control arm so they should have the same caster. Ive never seen anything saying they were different.
| Impreza01 | 11-19-2006 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE=afpdl;16045173]The 04,05 and 06 all had the same lower control arm so they should have the same caster. Ive never seen anything saying they were different.[/QUOTE]
+1
Then Subaru cheaps out for less caster on the 2007MY. Bad play. :(
+1
Then Subaru cheaps out for less caster on the 2007MY. Bad play. :(
| eld4au6 | 11-19-2006 04:46 PM |
whats wrong with subaru? evo's keep getting better and better, but the sti?
they better pull something out in 08
they better pull something out in 08
| joey1313 | 11-19-2006 05:17 PM |
I wish Subaru would move the engine back a good bit. There is alot of weight in front of the front axle line on the STi.
I had mine weighed at the track this weekend. No spare or jack. Nothing else had been removed. Stock car with a cd player added and Advan 032r tires being the only changes. 1\2 tank of fuel. 1\2 the washer bottle full. 1\4 full on the intercooler tank.
3202lbs.
lf 961 rf 957
lr 653 rr 631
I was not in car when weighed.
I had mine weighed at the track this weekend. No spare or jack. Nothing else had been removed. Stock car with a cd player added and Advan 032r tires being the only changes. 1\2 tank of fuel. 1\2 the washer bottle full. 1\4 full on the intercooler tank.
3202lbs.
lf 961 rf 957
lr 653 rr 631
I was not in car when weighed.
| afpdl | 11-19-2006 05:32 PM |
The only way they are going to move the engine back, will involve either ditching the boxer engine or getting rid of AWD.
| joey1313 | 11-19-2006 05:35 PM |
I am pretty sure they could keep the awd and the boxer. Maybe redesign the gear box to be shorter or something. Sooner or later they are going to have to design a smaller package to go in a smaller car to keep up with the short wheelbase hatches that are dominating WRC these days.
Sorry....back on topic for me from now on.
Sorry....back on topic for me from now on.
| afpdl | 11-19-2006 05:40 PM |
A shorter tranny wouldn't do anything as it still has to be even with the front two wheels, as that is where the axles connect to. So as long as your engine is in front of your tranny, it is going to be in front of the axles.
| Jaylyons1 | 11-19-2006 10:39 PM |
glad i own an 05 ^_^
| jamesohoh7 | 11-20-2006 08:03 AM |
On one-half coff of cuppee, my thoughts :) ...
I haven't looked at it recently, but there is a chance they could move the motor back if they had what ammounted to an external transfer case + diff for the front axles. The trans housing the front diff is the issue, like afpdl is saying... you are limited by the interface between the trans + motor..."it can only be so far rearward"... though I suppose you could have the front diff 'complex' in the trans protrude 'under' the motor with a proboscis type setup off the front of the trans. It would likely hang far too low though.
If the front diff was set up like the rear (w/an actual separate diff-housing etc...), you could move the motor back some. The trans would have an output shaft that ran forwards to the front diff. It'd have to be offset most likely to make room for the motor + oil-pan, whatever. This setup would be like a lot of 4X4 trucks, except obviously it'd be designed differently for this application.
I think this gets you more trouble than it's worth b/c w/an offset front-diff, you get more issues w/torque steer and most likely a lot more weight. It would be easier to swap out diffs for a better unit though w/the front being 'stand-alone' :)
I haven't looked at it recently, but there is a chance they could move the motor back if they had what ammounted to an external transfer case + diff for the front axles. The trans housing the front diff is the issue, like afpdl is saying... you are limited by the interface between the trans + motor..."it can only be so far rearward"... though I suppose you could have the front diff 'complex' in the trans protrude 'under' the motor with a proboscis type setup off the front of the trans. It would likely hang far too low though.
If the front diff was set up like the rear (w/an actual separate diff-housing etc...), you could move the motor back some. The trans would have an output shaft that ran forwards to the front diff. It'd have to be offset most likely to make room for the motor + oil-pan, whatever. This setup would be like a lot of 4X4 trucks, except obviously it'd be designed differently for this application.
I think this gets you more trouble than it's worth b/c w/an offset front-diff, you get more issues w/torque steer and most likely a lot more weight. It would be easier to swap out diffs for a better unit though w/the front being 'stand-alone' :)
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