| RB5 Clone | 05-19-2005 12:24 PM |
thread's not done, just getting, umm...interesting. lively. spirited, etc
must admit the street racing edge to some of these posts makes my skin crawl. who says there was "no one else on the dirt road" ?? was it closed off? doesn't sound like it, eeek! :confused:
if you wreck on stage or track, that's your business; wreck on a public road, that's a whole different deal
Dave G
must admit the street racing edge to some of these posts makes my skin crawl. who says there was "no one else on the dirt road" ?? was it closed off? doesn't sound like it, eeek! :confused:
if you wreck on stage or track, that's your business; wreck on a public road, that's a whole different deal
Dave G
| totoherbs | 05-19-2005 12:55 PM |
I do donuts in the local ball field(s).....
| 8Complex | 05-19-2005 12:58 PM |
How different is a "closed circuit" to an abondoned road, or a completely empty road? Oh, I forgot, you PAID to use a closed circuit, and you don't get fined for making an error and crashing. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I guess if a mod feels like splitting the crap out of this thread, go for it.
Anyway, I guess if a mod feels like splitting the crap out of this thread, go for it.
| AWDPilot | 05-19-2005 01:04 PM |
I live on a "dirt road" and if I catch any subaru or otherwise ****ing around on it prepare to get a call from the police on my behalf. It's still a public road, dirt or otherwise.
| totoherbs | 05-19-2005 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE=gibjer]I live on a "dirt road" and if I catch any subaru or otherwise ****ing around on it prepare to get a call from the police on my behalf. It's still a public road, dirt or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
The difference is no one lives off the bad roads in Temecula, yet. Maybe soon when Teh OC reaches all the way down to San Diego, but for now its just empty dirt roads, trails, or fields.
The difference is no one lives off the bad roads in Temecula, yet. Maybe soon when Teh OC reaches all the way down to San Diego, but for now its just empty dirt roads, trails, or fields.
| rallynutdon | 05-19-2005 01:49 PM |
[QUOTE=totoherbs]The difference is no one lives off the bad roads in Temecula, yet. Maybe soon when Teh OC reaches all the way down to San Diego, but for now its just empty dirt roads, trails, or fields.[/QUOTE]
It's only guaranteed empty if you post someone at both ends to block it off. I don't care how far out in the boonies it is. That's a fact Jack.
It's only guaranteed empty if you post someone at both ends to block it off. I don't care how far out in the boonies it is. That's a fact Jack.
| RB5 Clone | 05-19-2005 02:32 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]How different is a "closed circuit" to an abondoned road, or a completely empty road? Oh, I forgot, you PAID to use a closed circuit, and you don't get fined for making an error and crashing. :rolleyes:
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The difference is, racers in organized events PAY to have a closed off place to do their thing and not worry about smacking civilians who aren't aware of what's going on. They pay to have safety crews in place so that if things go wrong, there's somebody around to help pick up the pieces without getting the police involved.
And now, back to the original thread: shunt stories
Once we towed 1300 miles to a rally and only made it less than 2 stage miles before stuffing it big time at a 90 right downhill over crest. Hit a large rock in the ditch, which tore off the left front corner but at least kept us from T-boning 2 large trees. Stage notes didn't indicate the bend was quite off camber, but the crash was our fault due to a bad tire choice -- hard compound on partially thawed frozen dirt. Call it an expensive bump in the learning curve.
This was a bad ratio of miles towed vs miles raced before DNF, but not as bad as a certain other Canadian team, who crashed their new Evo less than 200 yards into the same stage the year before! ;)
Cheers,
Dave G
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The difference is, racers in organized events PAY to have a closed off place to do their thing and not worry about smacking civilians who aren't aware of what's going on. They pay to have safety crews in place so that if things go wrong, there's somebody around to help pick up the pieces without getting the police involved.
And now, back to the original thread: shunt stories
Once we towed 1300 miles to a rally and only made it less than 2 stage miles before stuffing it big time at a 90 right downhill over crest. Hit a large rock in the ditch, which tore off the left front corner but at least kept us from T-boning 2 large trees. Stage notes didn't indicate the bend was quite off camber, but the crash was our fault due to a bad tire choice -- hard compound on partially thawed frozen dirt. Call it an expensive bump in the learning curve.
This was a bad ratio of miles towed vs miles raced before DNF, but not as bad as a certain other Canadian team, who crashed their new Evo less than 200 yards into the same stage the year before! ;)
Cheers,
Dave G
| paultg | 05-19-2005 07:16 PM |
Lets not forget the emergency personel that would have been in danger if this guy messing around on the dirt road had been injured and needed assistance.
At the track it is not an issue, because you have trained professionals ready to help, and a way of controlling the situation all around to get help as quick as possible. Out on public roads means police and/or medical and fire have to race to the scene, which puts everyone involved and around them in danger.
I was at maine forrest rally one year out in the woods and a crashed car caught fire and set the woods on fire. It was a big deal, and a big PITA even with proper assistance around to help.
Paul G.
At the track it is not an issue, because you have trained professionals ready to help, and a way of controlling the situation all around to get help as quick as possible. Out on public roads means police and/or medical and fire have to race to the scene, which puts everyone involved and around them in danger.
I was at maine forrest rally one year out in the woods and a crashed car caught fire and set the woods on fire. It was a big deal, and a big PITA even with proper assistance around to help.
Paul G.
| totoherbs | 05-19-2005 08:10 PM |
[quote]Lets not forget the emergency personel that would have been in danger if this guy messing around on the dirt road had been injured and needed assistance. [/quote]
More then likely if something bad happend he would have been dead a wile before they got there.
Its basicly the same as the people who have been going out for high speed runs or off the trials at El Mirage ( [url]http://aeve.com/digitaldesert/aerial/aer10.html[/url] ) for the past 30 years.
Starting a fire could happen... but all the socal fires I remember were started by people setting the, nature or stupidly set camp fires.
More then likely if something bad happend he would have been dead a wile before they got there.
Its basicly the same as the people who have been going out for high speed runs or off the trials at El Mirage ( [url]http://aeve.com/digitaldesert/aerial/aer10.html[/url] ) for the past 30 years.
Starting a fire could happen... but all the socal fires I remember were started by people setting the, nature or stupidly set camp fires.
| 8Complex | 05-19-2005 08:42 PM |
****ing motorsports snobs. No wonder I stopped reading this forum for a while.
Go back to your "race cars" and back to your "safe events" and have a "nice day".
Go back to your "race cars" and back to your "safe events" and have a "nice day".
| AWDPilot | 05-19-2005 08:56 PM |
Do you always get this pissy when people disagree with you?
Seriously, mature a little and realize there is a time and place to drive to the limits of your car, the difference between doing it on these abandoned dirt roads and in a sanctioned event are obvious, if you feel that you don't posses the ability to see the difference between the two, then so be it. Putting yourself, and your passenger at risk, without (and I am taking a shot in the dark here) taking any safty measures, just proves my point.
Do what you want, be careful, don't kill yourself or your passengers, I don't know how many threads I have read in the past year about some idiot coming down a mountain road, driving off, and being left for dead.
Seriously, mature a little and realize there is a time and place to drive to the limits of your car, the difference between doing it on these abandoned dirt roads and in a sanctioned event are obvious, if you feel that you don't posses the ability to see the difference between the two, then so be it. Putting yourself, and your passenger at risk, without (and I am taking a shot in the dark here) taking any safty measures, just proves my point.
Do what you want, be careful, don't kill yourself or your passengers, I don't know how many threads I have read in the past year about some idiot coming down a mountain road, driving off, and being left for dead.
| totoherbs | 05-19-2005 09:05 PM |
Back hills of Temecula... in the few hours that this took place I don't remember seeing a car that was'nt one of us.
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| GarySheehan | 05-19-2005 11:25 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]****ing motorsports snobs. No wonder I stopped reading this forum for a while.
Go back to your "race cars" and back to your "safe events" and have a "nice day".[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to bet money you're having a bad day.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Go back to your "race cars" and back to your "safe events" and have a "nice day".[/QUOTE]
I'd be willing to bet money you're having a bad day.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| 8Complex | 05-20-2005 12:21 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I'd be willing to bet money you're having a bad day.[/QUOTE]Not really, just fed up with the stupidity in here from some people.
All I'm trying to get people to admit is that abondoned, empty roads is NOT street racing. The points about safety are well-taken, however that is just another risk that you have to factor in, just like weather, just like changing road conditions from someone in front of you going off and dragging stuff back onto the track, all of that.
The point about the emergency personnel set me off though... I don't know how anyone could think that more emergency personnel could possibly get hurt at roadside accidents than on the track. I've seen plenty of them get run down at the track while helping someone, but never once heard of one being hurt at a roadside incident.
And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. Above all things, experience teaches you the most, and I guarantee that noone here drives a track every single day. And the ironic part of that is that probably 95% of the rally stages run in the WRC is on public roadways.
And gibjer - the gang mentality in here is like a thick fog, and it's already chased off quite a few of the people that use their common sense when it comes to talking about driving on public roadways (in particular, empty ones). And I can only speak for myself, but I do take what I consider to be enough safety measures before even thinking about messing around where noone else would easily or quickly find me. And driving at 70% is most definitely one of them. :)
All I'm trying to get people to admit is that abondoned, empty roads is NOT street racing. The points about safety are well-taken, however that is just another risk that you have to factor in, just like weather, just like changing road conditions from someone in front of you going off and dragging stuff back onto the track, all of that.
The point about the emergency personnel set me off though... I don't know how anyone could think that more emergency personnel could possibly get hurt at roadside accidents than on the track. I've seen plenty of them get run down at the track while helping someone, but never once heard of one being hurt at a roadside incident.
And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. Above all things, experience teaches you the most, and I guarantee that noone here drives a track every single day. And the ironic part of that is that probably 95% of the rally stages run in the WRC is on public roadways.
And gibjer - the gang mentality in here is like a thick fog, and it's already chased off quite a few of the people that use their common sense when it comes to talking about driving on public roadways (in particular, empty ones). And I can only speak for myself, but I do take what I consider to be enough safety measures before even thinking about messing around where noone else would easily or quickly find me. And driving at 70% is most definitely one of them. :)
| hoche | 05-20-2005 03:13 AM |
Prescott Rally last year. I was co-driving not driving though.
We were in a '75 Scirocco and went around a left 3 a bit too fast. The driver almost saved it, but the rear wheels caught a shallow ditch which veered off from the road. The front wheels were scrabbling to pull us out but there was this rock about three feet high and right where the ditch split off from the road.
We were full-on sideways and I remember looking out my window and calmly thinking "hm. we're not going to make this." and then crossing my arms, and grabbing my belts.
The frame rail on my side hit the rock and we got tossed into the air and started rolling. We completely cleared the rock, a 6' high tree, another big rock, landed in some shrubs and then continued rolling, ending up wheels down about 10' off the road in a shallow ravine, halfway in another small tree that we'd bent over under the car.
We walked away from it. The car probably could have been salvaged - the cage had protected us and kept the frame mostly straight, but the right rear quarterpanel was crushed and the rear beam was mangled. Scirocco shells are kind of hard to find and not very good for rallying, so we ended up stripping the car and using much of its running gear in a later model GTI.
We were in a '75 Scirocco and went around a left 3 a bit too fast. The driver almost saved it, but the rear wheels caught a shallow ditch which veered off from the road. The front wheels were scrabbling to pull us out but there was this rock about three feet high and right where the ditch split off from the road.
We were full-on sideways and I remember looking out my window and calmly thinking "hm. we're not going to make this." and then crossing my arms, and grabbing my belts.
The frame rail on my side hit the rock and we got tossed into the air and started rolling. We completely cleared the rock, a 6' high tree, another big rock, landed in some shrubs and then continued rolling, ending up wheels down about 10' off the road in a shallow ravine, halfway in another small tree that we'd bent over under the car.
We walked away from it. The car probably could have been salvaged - the cage had protected us and kept the frame mostly straight, but the right rear quarterpanel was crushed and the rear beam was mangled. Scirocco shells are kind of hard to find and not very good for rallying, so we ended up stripping the car and using much of its running gear in a later model GTI.
| silver04rs | 05-20-2005 06:10 AM |
^^ thanks for getting this thread back on the right track
| RB5 Clone | 05-20-2005 06:52 AM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]Not really, just fed up with the stupidity in here from some people.
All I'm trying to get people to admit is that abondoned, empty roads is NOT street racing.
And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. Above all things, experience teaches you the most, and I guarantee that noone here drives a track every single day. And the ironic part of that is that probably 95% of the rally stages run in the WRC is on public roadways.
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...and this is from a forum moderator?
if the road is not closed iff, it's street racing, period. just because most everyone has done it doesn't make it any less dumb. were those cars jumping on temecula back roads well maintained and carefully checked over before risking their necks? yeh, like the Loyale wagon with the gumby on top...
were the drivers and passengers wearing helmets, etc etc
the attitude of the motorsports pros is less the problem here than the attitude of some who refuse to face facts. it's like the vonage ads on tv -- "people do stupid stuff" contrary to evident popular opinion, people are not born with driving skills like WRC pilotes. They're learned and earned by hard work, sacrifice, dedication, all that sort of boring business.
not like auto racing on track or stage is exactly the smartest and safest undertaking...why else do the cars have cages and the drivers wear helmets nomex and all that?
yes, WRC stages run on public roads, so do 95% of stages in north america. but at least those stages are closed off.
sheesh.
Dave G
All I'm trying to get people to admit is that abondoned, empty roads is NOT street racing.
And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. Above all things, experience teaches you the most, and I guarantee that noone here drives a track every single day. And the ironic part of that is that probably 95% of the rally stages run in the WRC is on public roadways.
[/QUOTE]
...and this is from a forum moderator?
if the road is not closed iff, it's street racing, period. just because most everyone has done it doesn't make it any less dumb. were those cars jumping on temecula back roads well maintained and carefully checked over before risking their necks? yeh, like the Loyale wagon with the gumby on top...
were the drivers and passengers wearing helmets, etc etc
the attitude of the motorsports pros is less the problem here than the attitude of some who refuse to face facts. it's like the vonage ads on tv -- "people do stupid stuff" contrary to evident popular opinion, people are not born with driving skills like WRC pilotes. They're learned and earned by hard work, sacrifice, dedication, all that sort of boring business.
not like auto racing on track or stage is exactly the smartest and safest undertaking...why else do the cars have cages and the drivers wear helmets nomex and all that?
yes, WRC stages run on public roads, so do 95% of stages in north america. but at least those stages are closed off.
sheesh.
Dave G
| GQ | 05-20-2005 08:08 AM |
I have had a minor off in my Subaru at turn 1 VIR last November. Basically just a case of coming in too fast on a wet track. No biggie.
I had another minor off at turn 5 Summit Point in my kart last month. I actually went off on the inside. It was a practice session in which I was playing around with tire pressures and trail braking. The back end went out and I stayed on the gas, which shot me to the inside. I just keep the kart going and got it back on the track.
I had another minor off at turn 5 Summit Point in my kart last month. I actually went off on the inside. It was a practice session in which I was playing around with tire pressures and trail braking. The back end went out and I stayed on the gas, which shot me to the inside. I just keep the kart going and got it back on the track.
| akuhner | 05-20-2005 10:10 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Come on, Car #187, everybody knows that irresponsible driving on open roads is totally bitchin'! Later, we can post the "Coolest time I killed someone doing something stupid on open roads" thread.
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[QUOTE=gravel]Yes, however, this whole thread wasn't about what you pull off on the streets at all - please keep this stuff to OT where it belongs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rallynutdon]It's only guaranteed empty if you post someone at both ends to block it off. I don't care how far out in the boonies it is. That's a fact Jack.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gibjer]I live on a "dirt road" and if I catch any subaru or otherwise ****ing around on it prepare to get a call from the police on my behalf. It's still a public road, dirt or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gibjer]Seriously, mature a little and realize there is a time and place to drive to the limits of your car, the difference between doing it on these abandoned dirt roads and in a sanctioned event are obvious...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]...and this is from a forum moderator?
if the road is not closed iff, it's street racing, period. just because most everyone has done it doesn't make it any less dumb. Dave G[/QUOTE]
I like how it went from accusing me of being the only 'up tight' one here to the whole thread going the way of reason... :D
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[QUOTE=gravel]Yes, however, this whole thread wasn't about what you pull off on the streets at all - please keep this stuff to OT where it belongs[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rallynutdon]It's only guaranteed empty if you post someone at both ends to block it off. I don't care how far out in the boonies it is. That's a fact Jack.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gibjer]I live on a "dirt road" and if I catch any subaru or otherwise ****ing around on it prepare to get a call from the police on my behalf. It's still a public road, dirt or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gibjer]Seriously, mature a little and realize there is a time and place to drive to the limits of your car, the difference between doing it on these abandoned dirt roads and in a sanctioned event are obvious...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone]...and this is from a forum moderator?
if the road is not closed iff, it's street racing, period. just because most everyone has done it doesn't make it any less dumb. Dave G[/QUOTE]
I like how it went from accusing me of being the only 'up tight' one here to the whole thread going the way of reason... :D
| JC_595 | 05-20-2005 10:38 AM |
I wasnt going to pipe up, but I just read yet another thread that got my ire up.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9851190#post9851190[/url]
I blame the judicial system for not yankning licenses like they used to & should... Stupid lazy, litigious judicial system & this messed up way of thinkin you are entitled to everything just cuz you were born... :furious:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9851190#post9851190[/url]
I blame the judicial system for not yankning licenses like they used to & should... Stupid lazy, litigious judicial system & this messed up way of thinkin you are entitled to everything just cuz you were born... :furious:
| bjorn240 | 05-20-2005 12:20 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]All I'm trying to get people to admit is that abondoned, empty roads is NOT street racing.:)[/QUOTE]
Right, and when you have permits to close the road, ability to control acess, and workers with radios at both ends, and at all junctions, I'll agree. Your proclaiming that a road is "abandoned" and your unshakeable faith in God that there's not a pregnant woman in a Kia coming round that bend don't hold a lot of weight with me. Seriously, I grew up in northern Sweden. We've got plenty of dirt roads, and _very_ few people. But assuming that that road doesn't have a fisherman/ mushroom picker/birdwatcher/enduro rider on it is just plain stupid and could eventually prove lethal. Admit that, and then see how much water your argument holds. The idea that roads in the Inland Empire are somehow "abandoned" is so stupid as to defy even precursory belief.
[QUOTE=8Complex]And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. [/QUOTE]
No, the attitude in this forum is that safety is paramount and that, secondly, street "racing" gives all forms of motorsport, and rally in particular a bad name. The difference between what we do and what Travis describes is that we:
[list][*]Have permission from local authorities[*]Control access to the stage[*]Ensure no other traffic[*]Have nearly immediate access to medical teams[*]Wear helmets, suits, underwear, 6-pt harnesses, HANS devices[*]Are in a specially prepared, fully-caged car[*]On new, gravel-specific tires[*]and still, with all those precautions...[*]endanger only our own lives, not anyone elses[/list]
I don't think you can make any comparison.
Oh, and I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to contemplate the relative safety and *experience* merits of these activities, given that while I've been rallying (fairly competitively) for 8 years without any major incident, Travis managed to put a car off on an uncontrolled, open road.
Yeah, Car #187, I agree with you.
- Christian
ObOnTopic: I've only ever had two minors:
Oregon 2001: Rolled (co side) it on a L3->. No damage, no injuries
Ramada 2004: Stuffed the (co side) front end on a Cr -> L5-. $500 damage, no injuries.
Right, and when you have permits to close the road, ability to control acess, and workers with radios at both ends, and at all junctions, I'll agree. Your proclaiming that a road is "abandoned" and your unshakeable faith in God that there's not a pregnant woman in a Kia coming round that bend don't hold a lot of weight with me. Seriously, I grew up in northern Sweden. We've got plenty of dirt roads, and _very_ few people. But assuming that that road doesn't have a fisherman/ mushroom picker/birdwatcher/enduro rider on it is just plain stupid and could eventually prove lethal. Admit that, and then see how much water your argument holds. The idea that roads in the Inland Empire are somehow "abandoned" is so stupid as to defy even precursory belief.
[QUOTE=8Complex]And yeah, the general attitude of this forum is "I'm better then you because I pay to race" and "you can't possibly know how to drive if you've never been to a track", and that is just sad and frustrating at the same time. [/QUOTE]
No, the attitude in this forum is that safety is paramount and that, secondly, street "racing" gives all forms of motorsport, and rally in particular a bad name. The difference between what we do and what Travis describes is that we:
[list][*]Have permission from local authorities[*]Control access to the stage[*]Ensure no other traffic[*]Have nearly immediate access to medical teams[*]Wear helmets, suits, underwear, 6-pt harnesses, HANS devices[*]Are in a specially prepared, fully-caged car[*]On new, gravel-specific tires[*]and still, with all those precautions...[*]endanger only our own lives, not anyone elses[/list]
I don't think you can make any comparison.
Oh, and I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to contemplate the relative safety and *experience* merits of these activities, given that while I've been rallying (fairly competitively) for 8 years without any major incident, Travis managed to put a car off on an uncontrolled, open road.
Yeah, Car #187, I agree with you.
- Christian
ObOnTopic: I've only ever had two minors:
Oregon 2001: Rolled (co side) it on a L3->. No damage, no injuries
Ramada 2004: Stuffed the (co side) front end on a Cr -> L5-. $500 damage, no injuries.
| JC_595 | 05-20-2005 12:33 PM |
understatement of the week:
Christian saying: "fairly competitively" :p
Christian saying: "fairly competitively" :p
| CBRDSpeedfactory | 05-20-2005 01:11 PM |
i went backwards into turn #3 at road atlanta at petite le mans (while running third overall behind to the two lead audi's... in 2003... ran over some oil/stones thrown/laid down by a GT car...
backwards into the tire barrier at 120-ish mph...did 140,000 worth of damage to the car, and i was still able to drive it back to the pits...
wasn't good!! that was really my only ever shunt in racing.
chad b
chadblock.com
backwards into the tire barrier at 120-ish mph...did 140,000 worth of damage to the car, and i was still able to drive it back to the pits...
wasn't good!! that was really my only ever shunt in racing.
chad b
chadblock.com
| akuhner | 05-20-2005 02:36 PM |
[QUOTE=CBRD]backwards into the tire barrier at 120-ish mph...did 140,000 worth of damage to the car, and i was still able to drive it back to the pits...
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140k of damage?! what was the car itself worth?? I may have missed something in your previous posts, but what do/did you drive?
Alex
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140k of damage?! what was the car itself worth?? I may have missed something in your previous posts, but what do/did you drive?
Alex
| paultg | 05-20-2005 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]
The point about the emergency personnel set me off though... I don't know how anyone could think that more emergency personnel could possibly get hurt at roadside accidents than on the track. I've seen plenty of them get run down at the track while helping someone, but never once heard of one being hurt at a roadside incident.[/QUOTE]
Well, since that was Imy comment I'll respond. I don't know what it is like where you live, but I have a friend (a former EMT) who lost his job after being involved in a accident while driving an ambulance to a call. A car did not yeild/stop for his siren, he had to take action and hit a parked car. Driver didn't stop either I think.
So I don't know how any person could see it as being safer driving a police/ambulance/fire truck/ etc. on public street going to a call than being a safety personnel at a race track.
Paul G.
The point about the emergency personnel set me off though... I don't know how anyone could think that more emergency personnel could possibly get hurt at roadside accidents than on the track. I've seen plenty of them get run down at the track while helping someone, but never once heard of one being hurt at a roadside incident.[/QUOTE]
Well, since that was Imy comment I'll respond. I don't know what it is like where you live, but I have a friend (a former EMT) who lost his job after being involved in a accident while driving an ambulance to a call. A car did not yeild/stop for his siren, he had to take action and hit a parked car. Driver didn't stop either I think.
So I don't know how any person could see it as being safer driving a police/ambulance/fire truck/ etc. on public street going to a call than being a safety personnel at a race track.
Paul G.
| bjorn240 | 05-20-2005 02:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]140k of damage?! what was the car itself worth?? I may have missed something in your previous posts, but what do/did you drive?
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Chad drove an MG/Lola LeMans Prototype car at that event, if I remember correctly. It is one sexy car. Oh, and it's definitely in the realm of, "If you have to ask..."
- Christian
[/QUOTE]
Chad drove an MG/Lola LeMans Prototype car at that event, if I remember correctly. It is one sexy car. Oh, and it's definitely in the realm of, "If you have to ask..."
- Christian
| CBRDSpeedfactory | 05-20-2005 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]140k of damage?! what was the car itself worth?? I may have missed something in your previous posts, but what do/did you drive?
Alex[/QUOTE]
the car was worth over 500K...
motors are 135K rebuilds are 75K
chad b
chadblock.com
Alex[/QUOTE]
the car was worth over 500K...
motors are 135K rebuilds are 75K
chad b
chadblock.com
| Jtree | 05-20-2005 03:15 PM |
best was STPR in '01 as a co-driver, riding in a way fast Eclipse we came at a 4 left at a sort of side road going a good speed, right rear wheel got of into some soft/loose stuff, I figured we'd slide a bit through the little bit of brush at the intersection and be o.k., so i look back down at the route book to check the next instruction, we then collect a hidden stump in my door which pivots us into another hidden stump flipping us up into the air and we land about 2 car lengths away on our roof, dead stop from 40-50ish mph in like 1.5sec, no marks in the dirt from point of impact to landing site, very disorentating. many thanks to that rollcage builder.
| Audi_S4 | 05-21-2005 02:16 AM |
Can't go to sleep so here goes. I feel kinda silly posting this in light of 150k+ incidents :)
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata
| RB5 Clone | 05-22-2005 09:29 PM |
aww, shunt stories are so much fun. here's one that didn't involve us directly, but almost did!
STPR, 2003 night stage. foggy wicked foggy deep dark Penna mountain woods. following stage notes on faith, literally. come flying around a turn and there's a Neon on its roof in middle of road, steam coming out from under engine. somehow we miss punting their car. codriver still crawling out of the side window, gives us thumbs up, all OK. is that cool or what?!
STPR, 2003 night stage. foggy wicked foggy deep dark Penna mountain woods. following stage notes on faith, literally. come flying around a turn and there's a Neon on its roof in middle of road, steam coming out from under engine. somehow we miss punting their car. codriver still crawling out of the side window, gives us thumbs up, all OK. is that cool or what?!
| Cody | 06-05-2005 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE=Audi_S4]Can't go to sleep so here goes. I feel kinda silly posting this in light of 150k+ incidents :)
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
Dang Jeff, that was scarry as ****. I'm stoked your "frantic paddeling" translated into the correct imputs to avoid disaster. :disco:
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
Dang Jeff, that was scarry as ****. I'm stoked your "frantic paddeling" translated into the correct imputs to avoid disaster. :disco:
| banman | 06-06-2005 05:14 PM |
EDIT - Uh, oh, I just read some of the flamage above regarding "public road incidents". Yes, it was a public road. No, I wasn't speeding (speed limit is 80km/h on logging roads, I was doing less than that). Yes, it was a "sanctioned" event (WCRA).
EDIT2 - Nevermind, I'm pulling the whole thing. It's not worth the flame-fest that will ensue.
EDIT2 - Nevermind, I'm pulling the whole thing. It's not worth the flame-fest that will ensue.
| kfoote | 06-06-2005 06:21 PM |
From the land of the bizzarre from this weekend, I was crew chifing the car that eventually won ITS and finished 2nd overall at the 12-hour race at Summit Point.
Dad (driving): Someone just hit a deer in front of me in turn 4!!!!!!
me: Did YOU hit it?
Dad: No, it was the Blue Miata in front of me.
me: Where is it?
Dad: It's about 30 ft off track.
He was the first car behind the Miata (Driven at the time by Payton Wilson, co driving with Jeff Altenburg), and when he first saw it the deer was 5' in the air just after it had been hit. Payton said part of the deer spun into the driver's compartmant and hit him inside the car (!!!!). After removing the windshield, they eventually got going again and finished the race.
For those that don't know Summit Point, in a Miata, it's downhill, and you're going about 100 MPH at the apex where he hit the deer.
Dad (driving): Someone just hit a deer in front of me in turn 4!!!!!!
me: Did YOU hit it?
Dad: No, it was the Blue Miata in front of me.
me: Where is it?
Dad: It's about 30 ft off track.
He was the first car behind the Miata (Driven at the time by Payton Wilson, co driving with Jeff Altenburg), and when he first saw it the deer was 5' in the air just after it had been hit. Payton said part of the deer spun into the driver's compartmant and hit him inside the car (!!!!). After removing the windshield, they eventually got going again and finished the race.
For those that don't know Summit Point, in a Miata, it's downhill, and you're going about 100 MPH at the apex where he hit the deer.
| GQ | 06-07-2005 06:53 AM |
King RAT rocks. I was crew for the 06 ITA Integra up the pits from them. They did an awesome job getting that car back out into the race.
[QUOTE=kfoote]From the land of the bizzarre from this weekend, I was crew chifing the car that eventually won ITS and finished 2nd overall at the 12-hour race at Summit Point.
Dad (driving): Someone just hit a deer in front of me in turn 4!!!!!!
me: Did YOU hit it?
Dad: No, it was the Blue Miata in front of me.
me: Where is it?
Dad: It's about 30 ft off track.
He was the first car behind the Miata (Driven at the time by Payton Wilson, co driving with Jeff Altenburg), and when he first saw it the deer was 5' in the air just after it had been hit. Payton said part of the deer spun into the driver's compartmant and hit him inside the car (!!!!). After removing the windshield, they eventually got going again and finished the race.
For those that don't know Summit Point, in a Miata, it's downhill, and you're going about 100 MPH at the apex where he hit the deer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kfoote]From the land of the bizzarre from this weekend, I was crew chifing the car that eventually won ITS and finished 2nd overall at the 12-hour race at Summit Point.
Dad (driving): Someone just hit a deer in front of me in turn 4!!!!!!
me: Did YOU hit it?
Dad: No, it was the Blue Miata in front of me.
me: Where is it?
Dad: It's about 30 ft off track.
He was the first car behind the Miata (Driven at the time by Payton Wilson, co driving with Jeff Altenburg), and when he first saw it the deer was 5' in the air just after it had been hit. Payton said part of the deer spun into the driver's compartmant and hit him inside the car (!!!!). After removing the windshield, they eventually got going again and finished the race.
For those that don't know Summit Point, in a Miata, it's downhill, and you're going about 100 MPH at the apex where he hit the deer.[/QUOTE]
| kfoote | 06-07-2005 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE=GQ]King RAT rocks. I was crew for the 06 ITA Integra up the pits from them. They did an awesome job getting that car back out into the race.[/QUOTE]
Updates with new info:
The deer went THROUGH the windshield on the passenger's side. You were probably a bit closer, as we were at the other end of the pits to see the carnage left behind
and from the :confused: :huh: :eek: :eek: :eek: file, they set their fastest lap of the race AFTER they hit the deer.
(BTW, I was crew chief for the #23 Team CRS ITS Miata. We had a pretty good run :D :banana: )
Updates with new info:
The deer went THROUGH the windshield on the passenger's side. You were probably a bit closer, as we were at the other end of the pits to see the carnage left behind
and from the :confused: :huh: :eek: :eek: :eek: file, they set their fastest lap of the race AFTER they hit the deer.
(BTW, I was crew chief for the #23 Team CRS ITS Miata. We had a pretty good run :D :banana: )
| RB5 Clone | 06-08-2005 10:05 AM |
Deer hits, eeeeewww!
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OK, yet another shunt from STPR 2003...
Factory Evo on shakedown stage, going maybe 80. Smacks a deer, instantly transforming gorgeous perfect red Evo into a smoking pile on roadside. Windshield vaporized, hood vacu-formed over mechanicals underneath. Indescribable yuckiness in cockpit. Crew is shaken but OK, a real testament to car/cage builder.
Car is repaired in time to race next day. Amazing.
Dave G
Factory Evo on shakedown stage, going maybe 80. Smacks a deer, instantly transforming gorgeous perfect red Evo into a smoking pile on roadside. Windshield vaporized, hood vacu-formed over mechanicals underneath. Indescribable yuckiness in cockpit. Crew is shaken but OK, a real testament to car/cage builder.
Car is repaired in time to race next day. Amazing.
Dave G
| sdecker | 06-26-2005 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Audi_S4]Can't go to sleep so here goes. I feel kinda silly posting this in light of 150k+ incidents :)
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
Jeff -- I was there on crew actually. :D
Never saw the video though...any chance of you re-posting?
TIA,
Scott
My second race after my SCCA school. I entered the Pro-IT so I was borrowing/renting a buddies 3 year old bias-ply hoosiers. Needless to say, they were pretty darn hard.
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/1888537/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
Basically, turned in too early and was a little rough on the stick. With some frantic paddling of the wheel, it luckily straightened out.
It may not look like much, but those concrete walls are feet from the edge of the track.
I do remember three things going through my head:
"Crap" (only more explicitly)
"I'm glad no one's behind me"
then
"I can't afford to rebuild the miata if I wad it up...oh well"
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
Jeff -- I was there on crew actually. :D
Never saw the video though...any chance of you re-posting?
TIA,
Scott
| Audi_S4 | 06-27-2005 11:06 AM |
[QUOTE=sdecker]Jeff -- I was there on crew actually. :D
Never saw the video though...any chance of you re-posting?
TIA,
Scott[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
There you go.
It really doesn't look like much in the vid, but in the car, it felt pretty big.
[QUOTE=Cody]Dang Jeff, that was scarry as ****. I'm stoked your "frantic paddeling" translated into the correct imputs to avoid disaster.[/quote]
I was too. :) I hope to never be in that situation again.
Excuse me, I've got to go buy a rabbit's foot, knock on some wood and find a four-leaf clover.
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata
Never saw the video though...any chance of you re-posting?
TIA,
Scott[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
There you go.
It really doesn't look like much in the vid, but in the car, it felt pretty big.
[QUOTE=Cody]Dang Jeff, that was scarry as ****. I'm stoked your "frantic paddeling" translated into the correct imputs to avoid disaster.[/quote]
I was too. :) I hope to never be in that situation again.
Excuse me, I've got to go buy a rabbit's foot, knock on some wood and find a four-leaf clover.
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata
| Calamity Jesus | 06-27-2005 11:16 AM |
That looked very very scary. Nice catch. You barely even lost any time :D
| WRX 2002 | 06-27-2005 11:42 AM |
This is a reasonably close call at a Road America Track day last Oct. I had a car right behind me also. Next time need a rear view camera as well.!
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2635699/RA_Oct_04_-_Yellow_Car_Spin.wmv.html[/url]
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2635699/RA_Oct_04_-_Yellow_Car_Spin.wmv.html[/url]
| WRX 2002 | 06-27-2005 11:49 AM |
A friend using my STi during night ice racing in WI on snow tires. Nothing to scary as nothing to hit in the middle of the lake.
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2635955/IceRacing_Feb_05_-_Hubert_Spin.wmv.html[/url]
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2635955/IceRacing_Feb_05_-_Hubert_Spin.wmv.html[/url]
| Roy Dietsch | 06-27-2005 11:56 AM |
[url]http://www.beatracing.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=68[/url]
under Show all and then Roy Practices Drifting, Really I had some good drifts to I just only put the bad ones up...
also [url]www.beatracing.com/roy/videos/SCCASPEC_2005/spec.wmv[/url]
nothing to stupid, but we will see when Im at RA in the kink...
Roy
under Show all and then Roy Practices Drifting, Really I had some good drifts to I just only put the bad ones up...
also [url]www.beatracing.com/roy/videos/SCCASPEC_2005/spec.wmv[/url]
nothing to stupid, but we will see when Im at RA in the kink...
Roy
| WRX 2002 | 06-27-2005 12:27 PM |
Roy,you should be OK at the kink if you don't take this line. Another track day at RA made a big mistake on the entry to the kink, entry around 100mph. Scared the crap out of my passenger, I didn't have enough time to get scared. Got a good wave from the down stream marshal tho. I was running on Azenis sports but tend to over heat in a lap or 2. Now I run RA1s much better consistancy and grip.
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2636688/RA_03_-_The_Kink.wmv.html[/url]
[url]http://rapidshare.de/files/2636688/RA_03_-_The_Kink.wmv.html[/url]
| sdecker | 06-28-2005 06:37 AM |
[QUOTE=Audi_S4][URL=http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html]http://rapidshare.de/files/2634312/Turn12Fun.wmv.html[/URL]
There you go.
It really doesn't look like much in the vid, but in the car, it felt pretty big.
I was too. :) I hope to never be in that situation again.
Excuse me, I've got to go buy a rabbit's foot, knock on some wood and find a four-leaf clover.
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
How much seat upholstery did you have to remove from your backside? That is some major pucker factor. Talk about pinball alley -- I have seen some really nasty incidents there between 12 and 1. You were damn close, man! Nice work.
There you go.
It really doesn't look like much in the vid, but in the car, it felt pretty big.
I was too. :) I hope to never be in that situation again.
Excuse me, I've got to go buy a rabbit's foot, knock on some wood and find a four-leaf clover.
--Jeff Walter
#79 Spec Miata[/QUOTE]
How much seat upholstery did you have to remove from your backside? That is some major pucker factor. Talk about pinball alley -- I have seen some really nasty incidents there between 12 and 1. You were damn close, man! Nice work.
| GarySheehan | 06-28-2005 12:23 PM |
Here's another one I was involved in. My car faired OK, but the other car was a write-off after rolling 6 times. The driver was OK.
[url]http://teamsmr.com/movies/Vanni_Sheehan_Crash.wmv[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
[url]http://teamsmr.com/movies/Vanni_Sheehan_Crash.wmv[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| BriDrive | 06-28-2005 12:49 PM |
So...3 wide isn't reserved for just NAS.....uhh...err...sorry, nervermind :eek: :)
| lukerussell | 06-28-2005 01:27 PM |
ok. i'll do mine. one lap of america '05. summit point shenandoah circuit. problem with the one lap is you get one recon (practice lap) then it's green flag time. i was off line on my practice lap, and i was off line on my first green flag lap and this is what happened:
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed.
5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed.
5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke
| Roy Dietsch | 06-28-2005 01:36 PM |
go go gadget download speed
Roy
Roy
| Roy Dietsch | 06-28-2005 02:38 PM |
[QUOTE=lukerussell]ok. i'll do mine. one lap of america '05. summit point shenandoah circuit. problem with the one lap is you get one recon (practice lap) then it's green flag time. i was off line on my practice lap, and i was off line on my first green flag lap and this is what happened:
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed. 5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke[/QUOTE]
wow that sucks, it doesnt really appear that you did anything wrong just got a little air at a bad angle, luckily you brought it back on track and slowed down the best you could or else that could have been really nasty...
Roy
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed. 5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke[/QUOTE]
wow that sucks, it doesnt really appear that you did anything wrong just got a little air at a bad angle, luckily you brought it back on track and slowed down the best you could or else that could have been really nasty...
Roy
| GarySheehan | 06-28-2005 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Roy Dietsch]wow that sucks, it doesnt really appear that you did anything wrong just got a little air at a bad angle, luckily you brought it back on track and slowed down the best you could or else that could have been really nasty...[/QUOTE]
The bad angle would have been the driving error that caused the incident.
Man, that was a long time to be knowing you were a passenger in that car...
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
The bad angle would have been the driving error that caused the incident.
Man, that was a long time to be knowing you were a passenger in that car...
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| pittspilot | 06-28-2005 05:24 PM |
[QUOTE=lukerussell]ok. i'll do mine. one lap of america '05. summit point shenandoah circuit. problem with the one lap is you get one recon (practice lap) then it's green flag time. i was off line on my practice lap, and i was off line on my first green flag lap and this is what happened:
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed.
5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke[/QUOTE]
Man, Luke you were flying (Sorry bad pun) in that event.
10/10's means that the tiniest mistake is going to cost you, whether you be Schumey or an amateur. No shame in it, it's the name of the game. Plus, I think you did a great job saving that from being a really bad shunt.
You did the Scooby community proud.
(right click, save as)
[url]http://www.lake-effect-racing.com/onelap/2005/day04/video/td04v02.wmv[/url]
from the driver's seat, that hill is so steep, all you see is sky about half way up it. i should of been looking out my side window to see where i was on track. it felt like i jumped, landed in the grass, brakes no worky in grass, wrestled it back on the asphalt, attempted to slow down, not enough time, holy crap that concrete curb nurburgring carousel replica thing sure is steep, can't go over it sideway without flipping, only alternative is to launch it, lanched it and landed in the tire wall.
it was my first ever crash. even though i was dominating the class until then and in the top 5 overall, i remembering it being more embarrassing than anything else. it definetely taught me some valuable lessons.
(semi-sarcastic)
1. chill out.
2. you're not invincible.
3. adrenaline isn't as cool when you hit a wall.
4. if something feels weird the first time, don't do it again at a much faster speed.
5. crashing is really expensive.
6. crashing is embarassing.
7. you can't win when you crash.
8. if you crash again, let go of the steering wheel.
9. packing up after a track day or race isn't very fun, it's much less fun when you've crashed your car and can't use your hand.
luke[/QUOTE]
Man, Luke you were flying (Sorry bad pun) in that event.
10/10's means that the tiniest mistake is going to cost you, whether you be Schumey or an amateur. No shame in it, it's the name of the game. Plus, I think you did a great job saving that from being a really bad shunt.
You did the Scooby community proud.
| trhoppe | 06-28-2005 05:27 PM |
[QUOTE=pittspilot]Man, Luke you were flying (Sorry bad pun) in that event.
10/10's means that the tiniest mistake is going to cost you, whether you be Schumey or an amateur. No shame in it, it's the name of the game. Plus, I think you did a great job saving that from being a really bad shunt.
You did the Scooby community proud.[/QUOTE] 12345!
10/10's means that the tiniest mistake is going to cost you, whether you be Schumey or an amateur. No shame in it, it's the name of the game. Plus, I think you did a great job saving that from being a really bad shunt.
You did the Scooby community proud.[/QUOTE] 12345!
| Roy Dietsch | 06-28-2005 05:28 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan] Man, that was a long time to be knowing you were a passenger in that car...
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
what?
Roy
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
what?
Roy
| GarySheehan | 06-28-2005 06:21 PM |
Once he hit the grass, he was essentially a passenger that was going to hit the tire barrier. Seemed to last a long time.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| pittspilot | 06-28-2005 08:00 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]Once he hit the grass, he was essentially a passenger that was going to hit the tire barrier. Seemed to last a long time.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't really want to disagree with you in light of our experience gap. Read that you have tons, and I have very little.
But I think that Luke did a fairly decent job with what he had. Pulling it out without damaging the car was not in the cards. However, it looks to me that he did a pretty good job of braking while bringing it back to the pavement before jumping and piling into the wall. If he would have quit on the thing, I think he would have rolled it, and possibly hurt himself.
In other words it doesn't look like Luke was a passenger, but was, frantically I bet, trying to salvage the situation. And considering what little control he had, I think he did a pretty good job. Could have been much worse if he had quit, or really screwed up the recovery.
Am I wrong?
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't really want to disagree with you in light of our experience gap. Read that you have tons, and I have very little.
But I think that Luke did a fairly decent job with what he had. Pulling it out without damaging the car was not in the cards. However, it looks to me that he did a pretty good job of braking while bringing it back to the pavement before jumping and piling into the wall. If he would have quit on the thing, I think he would have rolled it, and possibly hurt himself.
In other words it doesn't look like Luke was a passenger, but was, frantically I bet, trying to salvage the situation. And considering what little control he had, I think he did a pretty good job. Could have been much worse if he had quit, or really screwed up the recovery.
Am I wrong?
| GarySheehan | 06-28-2005 11:26 PM |
I'm not criticizing Luke in any way. I'm saying that sliding through the grass, without any effective braking, while watching the end of the track approach, for that length of time, must've sucked. More than enough time to realize and understand that it wasn't going to end well. Not fun.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| M. Hurst | 06-29-2005 10:12 AM |
I never crash...
[URL=http://fyrhstrm.com/photos/1995_magnum_opus/images/18/500x339.aspx]1995 Munising Magnum Opus roll[/URL]
..but I have used some "creative parking methods".
[URL=http://fyrhstrm.com/photos/1995_magnum_opus/images/18/500x339.aspx]1995 Munising Magnum Opus roll[/URL]
..but I have used some "creative parking methods".
| Roy Dietsch | 06-29-2005 10:50 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I'm not criticizing Luke in any way. I'm saying that sliding through the grass, without any effective braking, while watching the end of the track approach, for that length of time, must've sucked. More than enough time to realize and understand that it wasn't going to end well. Not fun.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats the way I interpreted it...
I don't think this post is ment to criticize anyway...we are all admitting we F'ed up but when your racing its bound to happen, its like tripping or stubbing your toe, you may be damn good at walking but every once and a while something catches you off gaurd.
Roy
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats the way I interpreted it...
I don't think this post is ment to criticize anyway...we are all admitting we F'ed up but when your racing its bound to happen, its like tripping or stubbing your toe, you may be damn good at walking but every once and a while something catches you off gaurd.
Roy
| Shag-e | 06-29-2005 11:37 AM |
I was there for that race, though not at that turn for the crash. I did however see the aftermath and always wondered what happened.
Crappy way to hit the wall, but glad you are okay.
Maybe I'll run into you at the Glen sometime!
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I think most here have seen this one...
[URL=http://www.teamsmr.com/movies/WatkinsGlenCrash.wmv]Video of Grand-Am Cup Crash at The Glen[/URL]
[img]http://www.teamsmr.com/images/294_19a.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.teamsmr.com/images/CrushedS4.jpg[/img]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Crappy way to hit the wall, but glad you are okay.
Maybe I'll run into you at the Glen sometime!
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I think most here have seen this one...
[URL=http://www.teamsmr.com/movies/WatkinsGlenCrash.wmv]Video of Grand-Am Cup Crash at The Glen[/URL]
[img]http://www.teamsmr.com/images/294_19a.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.teamsmr.com/images/CrushedS4.jpg[/img]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
| GhostRide | 06-29-2005 09:26 PM |
Heh best "racing" shunt was a little off me and Erik earned at Doowops 05 when we decided to go find grandmothers house through the woods. Thanks to the spectators for gettin us going again. Most fun "racing" shunt was competing with the space shuttle for vertical lift in a dune buggy, tacoed the chassis, at about 90.
Best street accident was in a borrowed 95 M3, I was driving like batman after a little rain and managed to swap lanes with oncoming traffic, wrapped the Bmw around a tree and had to chip in to replace. Have to dig up some photos.
J
Best street accident was in a borrowed 95 M3, I was driving like batman after a little rain and managed to swap lanes with oncoming traffic, wrapped the Bmw around a tree and had to chip in to replace. Have to dig up some photos.
J
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