| TheRipler | 06-17-2005 07:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal]Sorry Danica... you may be able to drive
but you're no role model.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a bit harsh.
Is Jeff Gordon what you want you're little boy to grow up to be?
[IMG]http://www.exleyphoto.com/JEFF_GORDON_small.jpg[/IMG]
What's the difference? Women drool over this guy all the time... He plays into it. It doesn't make him a better or worse driver. It doesn't put him on pole, or in the winner's circle. I hear he does pretty well for himself. I don't see the other drivers saying how he makes it tougher on the rest of them to get any respect.
You'll never earn respect through any kind of photo shoot. Anyone can stand in front of a camera. I fail to see how it detracts from on-track performance.
All that stuff about degrading women, and being treated like a piece of meat should be left to the likes of Ariana Huffington. The US is far too sexually repressed, and that's the only reason this is an issue. How does it make it harder for everyone else? If she earns respect with good performances, a photoshoot doesn't take that away. It's like you're saying a woman doesn't have the right to express her sexuality while maintaining any type of proffession. You're promoting a double standard.
Are you saying the firemen on calendars aren't national heroes worthy of being a role model?
I would be proud to have a daughter do as well as Danica has, photoshoots and all. If Danica inspires 1000 little girls to think they can go racing, I'm all for it. If 1 of those 1000 turns out to be any good, she's done a great service for the sport.
Is there even a good famous role model like what you expect left in this country? male or female? Heck, the last 20 years, I wouldn't even use the president as a role model for my children!
Come to think of it, did Danica ask to be a role model? ..or was she just trying to go racing? hmmmm....
but you're no role model.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a bit harsh.
Is Jeff Gordon what you want you're little boy to grow up to be?
[IMG]http://www.exleyphoto.com/JEFF_GORDON_small.jpg[/IMG]
What's the difference? Women drool over this guy all the time... He plays into it. It doesn't make him a better or worse driver. It doesn't put him on pole, or in the winner's circle. I hear he does pretty well for himself. I don't see the other drivers saying how he makes it tougher on the rest of them to get any respect.
You'll never earn respect through any kind of photo shoot. Anyone can stand in front of a camera. I fail to see how it detracts from on-track performance.
All that stuff about degrading women, and being treated like a piece of meat should be left to the likes of Ariana Huffington. The US is far too sexually repressed, and that's the only reason this is an issue. How does it make it harder for everyone else? If she earns respect with good performances, a photoshoot doesn't take that away. It's like you're saying a woman doesn't have the right to express her sexuality while maintaining any type of proffession. You're promoting a double standard.
Are you saying the firemen on calendars aren't national heroes worthy of being a role model?
I would be proud to have a daughter do as well as Danica has, photoshoots and all. If Danica inspires 1000 little girls to think they can go racing, I'm all for it. If 1 of those 1000 turns out to be any good, she's done a great service for the sport.
Is there even a good famous role model like what you expect left in this country? male or female? Heck, the last 20 years, I wouldn't even use the president as a role model for my children!
Come to think of it, did Danica ask to be a role model? ..or was she just trying to go racing? hmmmm....
| johnfelstead | 06-17-2005 08:24 PM |
I dont think Subiegal works hard, i know she does, and i hope she gets the backing she deserves. Jamie is a major success story, if she gets her "lucky" break it will be down to shear determination and hard work putting her in a position to get "lucky".
90% isnt down to luck Cirrus. If you dont do the work in the first place you will never get that "lucky" break. That work may be at a marketing level for the likes of Unser Jr Jr, for most people it will be hard work at the more fundemental level. Most people will never get that "lucky" break, but dont be fooled, when they do get that "lucky" break it will be bacause of the hard work done in the past, most of which you will never see or even know about. Once they get that "lucky" break, if they dont do the hard work, they will soon be a thing of the past.
Anyway, sorry to go a bit OT on the main topic of the thread, i'll leave it at that. :)
90% isnt down to luck Cirrus. If you dont do the work in the first place you will never get that "lucky" break. That work may be at a marketing level for the likes of Unser Jr Jr, for most people it will be hard work at the more fundemental level. Most people will never get that "lucky" break, but dont be fooled, when they do get that "lucky" break it will be bacause of the hard work done in the past, most of which you will never see or even know about. Once they get that "lucky" break, if they dont do the hard work, they will soon be a thing of the past.
Anyway, sorry to go a bit OT on the main topic of the thread, i'll leave it at that. :)
| icantdrive75 | 06-17-2005 10:21 PM |
This thread seems to have shifted onto whether being hot makes a difference, and thats my fault. My only query was if you think she's as good as the media makes her out to be. I think it was a mechanical advantage that won her fourth, not skill. That she took out two drivers on a caution lap is evidence of that. I want to post videos of her technique. She's choppy, and the way she handles traffic shows her inexperience. All things being equal, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTION FOR WEIGHT. Take 50 lbs. off of the car of the guy who won fifth and I bet the results would be much different.
| RaceComp Engineering | 06-17-2005 10:42 PM |
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]Nope, your wrong. To be sucessful and achieve something in motor racing you have to work damn hard, the guys who luck into something dont acheive anything worth talking about and dont last long. The ones that work their asses off might apear to be lucky, but they are working damn hard to make happen what you think is luck. Getting connections to front the funds is hard work and a skill, it has nothing to do with being lucky.
You talk to any profesional racer and team and you will be shocked at the dedication it requires to be a success, people who rely on luck or think it's luck that gets their friends/rivals results will never be "lucky".[/QUOTE]
Hey Jon, knowing Chad, I know kinda what he is really saying. No one here dis-agrees with you at all man. I think where Block is coming from is that, we all work hard,..BUT there are ALOT of guys who work harder than you and I and are faster than you and I and they do EVERYTHING to make it in racing and they never get that "BREAK"..or they are in the right place at the right time and still dont get a "deal" or a ride. It pisses me off that I have to watch my buddy miss a LMP ride and instead some pinhead geek gets it, why?....because he knows that person , or because he was LUCKY in the same sense that the fastest guy isnt always the one who gets the opportunity. So in that sense,.............."LUCK" comes in. Owners make decisions for many reasons, and its not always about speed. Anyone in the business will tell you that.
Thsi is more ( 99%) directed to the forum and not you JON, . I respect you and just wanted to maybe shed some light on the way Chad said it.
Myles WIlliams
You talk to any profesional racer and team and you will be shocked at the dedication it requires to be a success, people who rely on luck or think it's luck that gets their friends/rivals results will never be "lucky".[/QUOTE]
Hey Jon, knowing Chad, I know kinda what he is really saying. No one here dis-agrees with you at all man. I think where Block is coming from is that, we all work hard,..BUT there are ALOT of guys who work harder than you and I and are faster than you and I and they do EVERYTHING to make it in racing and they never get that "BREAK"..or they are in the right place at the right time and still dont get a "deal" or a ride. It pisses me off that I have to watch my buddy miss a LMP ride and instead some pinhead geek gets it, why?....because he knows that person , or because he was LUCKY in the same sense that the fastest guy isnt always the one who gets the opportunity. So in that sense,.............."LUCK" comes in. Owners make decisions for many reasons, and its not always about speed. Anyone in the business will tell you that.
Thsi is more ( 99%) directed to the forum and not you JON, . I respect you and just wanted to maybe shed some light on the way Chad said it.
Myles WIlliams
| RaceComp Engineering | 06-17-2005 10:44 PM |
Sorry John, I ,mispelled your name like 5000 times in that last post.
Mw
Mw
| WRXMaster | 06-17-2005 11:01 PM |
[QUOTE=RaceComp Engineering]Hey Jon, knowing Chad, I know kinda what he is really saying. No one here dis-agrees with you at all man. I think where Block is coming from is that, we all work hard,..BUT there are ALOT of guys who work harder than you and I and are faster than you and I and they do EVERYTHING to make it in racing and they never get that "BREAK"..or they are in the right place at the right time and still dont get a "deal" or a ride. It pisses me off that I have to watch my buddy miss a LMP ride and instead some pinhead geek gets it, why?....because he knows that person , or because he was LUCKY in the same sense that the fastest guy isnt always the one who gets the opportunity. So in that sense,.............."LUCK" comes in. Owners make decisions for many reasons, and its not always about speed. Anyone in the business will tell you that.
Thsi is more ( 99%) directed to the forum and not you JON, . I respect you and just wanted to maybe shed some light on the way Chad said it.
Myles WIlliams[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you .... Its all about who you know and how much luck you have.... Or how much $$$ you can bring into a race team
Thsi is more ( 99%) directed to the forum and not you JON, . I respect you and just wanted to maybe shed some light on the way Chad said it.
Myles WIlliams[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you .... Its all about who you know and how much luck you have.... Or how much $$$ you can bring into a race team
| rupertberr | 06-17-2005 11:15 PM |
Luck = Skill + Opportunity
She is doing pretty good for a 23 year old rookie. I would have given her another year in the junior ranks but considering she dropped out of High School to go to Europe and race she deserves where she is.
I wish her no ill will and the best of luck. ;)
She is doing pretty good for a 23 year old rookie. I would have given her another year in the junior ranks but considering she dropped out of High School to go to Europe and race she deserves where she is.
I wish her no ill will and the best of luck. ;)
| esteve | 06-17-2005 11:40 PM |
I just don't get how some people think she's hot. :confused:
She is average looking at best, around a 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10. And those FHM pics are really bad. She has no ass, no tits whatsoever, no sexy figure, and those funky eyes! I was sorry to see Michelle Spaziano go as the hostess of powerblock on Spike TV, that was a crying shame.
I do respect her as a driver though, she's obviously very talented and skilled.
She is average looking at best, around a 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10. And those FHM pics are really bad. She has no ass, no tits whatsoever, no sexy figure, and those funky eyes! I was sorry to see Michelle Spaziano go as the hostess of powerblock on Spike TV, that was a crying shame.
I do respect her as a driver though, she's obviously very talented and skilled.
| Bonzo | 06-18-2005 12:01 AM |
Here's another young woman with some obvious talent and cojones.
Anyone that has the gumption to mix it up in the winged sprint world gets a pat on the back from me.
She is now working towards that other very popular and successful race series.
[URL=www.erincrocker.com]Erin Crocker[/URL]
[IMG]http://www.autoracingdaily.com/images/photodb/pdb200503254579.jpg[/IMG]
Anyone that has the gumption to mix it up in the winged sprint world gets a pat on the back from me.
She is now working towards that other very popular and successful race series.
[URL=www.erincrocker.com]Erin Crocker[/URL]
[IMG]http://www.autoracingdaily.com/images/photodb/pdb200503254579.jpg[/IMG]
| Chaste Automotive | 06-18-2005 12:05 AM |
Well seeing as how she punted Tomas Scheckter out of the race, she has a very real weight advantage, and from experience in the Atlantic Pits she is not at all what she seems. That being said she does have talent but before everyone annoints here the savior of open wheel racing I would like to see her win a race, period.
Bottom Line folks Michelle Mouton is still the best professional racing driver to have come along and until another woman is fighting for a world championship I think it will remain that way.
Bottom Line folks Michelle Mouton is still the best professional racing driver to have come along and until another woman is fighting for a world championship I think it will remain that way.
| scooby888 | 06-18-2005 12:28 AM |
The weight advantage is due to the other drivers eating too much. Period. She goes in wearing the same equipment they all do and the other drivers whine about it. They need to do the "myself mod" and drop some pounds.
I wish her the best of luck.
I wish her the best of luck.
| leaknoil | 06-18-2005 12:51 AM |
[QUOTE=scooby888]The weight advantage is due to the other drivers eating too much. Period. She goes in wearing the same equipment they all do and the other drivers whine about it. They need to do the "myself mod" and drop some pounds.
I wish her the best of luck.[/QUOTE]
Men and women don't weigh the same and when they do it isn't good in either case. What are you on about ? Everyone else weighs drivers and cars together. You saying Indy has it right and everyone else has it wrong ?
I wish her the best of luck.[/QUOTE]
Men and women don't weigh the same and when they do it isn't good in either case. What are you on about ? Everyone else weighs drivers and cars together. You saying Indy has it right and everyone else has it wrong ?
| ebeck | 06-18-2005 01:41 AM |
[QUOTE]The weight advantage is due to the other drivers eating too much. Period. She goes in wearing the same equipment they all do and the other drivers whine about it. They need to do the "myself mod" and drop some pounds.[/QUOTE]
:huh:
She is not hot per say. But she is tiny and girly in a sport with manly men. Men like that. Men will tune in. It is a draw. Sorry were pigs. If she has talent more the better! Makes for good racing and gender banter. All in good fun and the sport benifits if you ask me.
Cheese cake shots make 0 difference to her credibility as a driver. To men at least or to me at least. It is the women that will have the issue. Alll ways do. My wife can't go into a store with out commenting on how she can't believe that girl wore those shoes with that skirt. :lol: Catty. Oh yes, another odd thing we men seem to like.
If she wins and does real well what is the issue. Not being a good role model becasue of pics in short shorts? Male athletes Internationally do beefcake shots all the time. Ahh yes, the puritanical roots show themselves once again here in America. Gees were uptight. C'mon. :rolleyes:
I hope she wins. I bet she is great for the sport. I hope the rumor of fixing does not start though. Some men hate women beating them. Me I get my arse kicked at auto-X by some women. Some pretty some average. I suck. Talent is talent no matter the packaging. They all get the respect from me even if they are in a Bikini. shrug.
:huh:
She is not hot per say. But she is tiny and girly in a sport with manly men. Men like that. Men will tune in. It is a draw. Sorry were pigs. If she has talent more the better! Makes for good racing and gender banter. All in good fun and the sport benifits if you ask me.
Cheese cake shots make 0 difference to her credibility as a driver. To men at least or to me at least. It is the women that will have the issue. Alll ways do. My wife can't go into a store with out commenting on how she can't believe that girl wore those shoes with that skirt. :lol: Catty. Oh yes, another odd thing we men seem to like.
If she wins and does real well what is the issue. Not being a good role model becasue of pics in short shorts? Male athletes Internationally do beefcake shots all the time. Ahh yes, the puritanical roots show themselves once again here in America. Gees were uptight. C'mon. :rolleyes:
I hope she wins. I bet she is great for the sport. I hope the rumor of fixing does not start though. Some men hate women beating them. Me I get my arse kicked at auto-X by some women. Some pretty some average. I suck. Talent is talent no matter the packaging. They all get the respect from me even if they are in a Bikini. shrug.
| esteve | 06-18-2005 11:02 AM |
Someone who is noticeably lighter should be able to use and exploit that advantage.
When Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost were teammates at Ferrari, it was estimated that Prost's significant weight advantage was worth about .2 seconds a lap.
When Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost were teammates at Ferrari, it was estimated that Prost's significant weight advantage was worth about .2 seconds a lap.
| drdome99 | 06-18-2005 11:14 AM |
Danica reminds me of kournikova, hot but hasn't won anything in the big leagues. Then will probably retire before she wins anything and make money off tv shows, endorsements and magazine shoots like FHM.
| Butt Dyno | 06-18-2005 01:52 PM |
[QUOTE=drdome99]Danica reminds me of kournikova, hot but hasn't won anything in the big leagues. Then will probably retire before she wins anything and make money off tv shows, endorsements and magazine shoots like FHM.[/QUOTE]
Except Danica is a rookie, and Anna has been in tennis for a long time..
Criminy..
Except Danica is a rookie, and Anna has been in tennis for a long time..
Criminy..
| FaastLegacy | 06-18-2005 02:40 PM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]I just wanted to say what I have been saying since memorial day:
Danica deserves the cover of SI, and she deserves it more than Wheldon, more than Rice. And I say that even though I know Wheldon is a better driver. The reason is simply because what Danica did that day was important, and what Wheldon did simply was not.
This is not the era when Indy racing was alive, mainstrean and healthy. Most people today couldn't tell you who won last year, or the year before. When it takes effort to fill the grid of the supposed most "famos race in the world", then it obviously not that big a deal to win it. Winning it does not deserve any special attention.
But when you do something like Danica, which is to challenge people's narrow viewpoints, that is commendable and important. What she did that day was show that she was competitive. She showed people that women can also be successful in this man's arena, and not just "also rans". When athletes do this, they become more than athletes, they become ambassadors. For this, and not her racing skills, she deserves the cover of SI.
And we really should see this as positive. Just like Mia Hamm and Landon Donovan single handedly revived soccer in this country, Danica will inject new youth and enthusiam into our sport. (And for those of us looking for sponsors, $$$).
And yes, I agree cars should be weighed with drivers. But we all know that is not why she got 4th. Anyone complaining about that just knows that if they were given a 100lb weight advantage, they probably still couldn't beat her. Let's not forget her accomplishments to this point, especially those in europe. She can drive, so stop complaining.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
So basically you're confirming what we've all said, albeit in a round about way. She's one giant media tool, a talented one, but she's still exploiting herself. I don't blame her for that, but it doesn't make the unusually large amount of media coverage that's been focused on her right.
Danica Patrick isn't groundbreaking or a trend setter, people tend to forget there were 3 or 4 women before her that ran Indy too. She just happens to be young and have what some would call a pretty face. Two things that the others didn't have.
Danica deserves the cover of SI, and she deserves it more than Wheldon, more than Rice. And I say that even though I know Wheldon is a better driver. The reason is simply because what Danica did that day was important, and what Wheldon did simply was not.
This is not the era when Indy racing was alive, mainstrean and healthy. Most people today couldn't tell you who won last year, or the year before. When it takes effort to fill the grid of the supposed most "famos race in the world", then it obviously not that big a deal to win it. Winning it does not deserve any special attention.
But when you do something like Danica, which is to challenge people's narrow viewpoints, that is commendable and important. What she did that day was show that she was competitive. She showed people that women can also be successful in this man's arena, and not just "also rans". When athletes do this, they become more than athletes, they become ambassadors. For this, and not her racing skills, she deserves the cover of SI.
And we really should see this as positive. Just like Mia Hamm and Landon Donovan single handedly revived soccer in this country, Danica will inject new youth and enthusiam into our sport. (And for those of us looking for sponsors, $$$).
And yes, I agree cars should be weighed with drivers. But we all know that is not why she got 4th. Anyone complaining about that just knows that if they were given a 100lb weight advantage, they probably still couldn't beat her. Let's not forget her accomplishments to this point, especially those in europe. She can drive, so stop complaining.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
So basically you're confirming what we've all said, albeit in a round about way. She's one giant media tool, a talented one, but she's still exploiting herself. I don't blame her for that, but it doesn't make the unusually large amount of media coverage that's been focused on her right.
Danica Patrick isn't groundbreaking or a trend setter, people tend to forget there were 3 or 4 women before her that ran Indy too. She just happens to be young and have what some would call a pretty face. Two things that the others didn't have.
| Homemade WRX | 06-18-2005 03:09 PM |
I drive the Old Dominion University Formula SAE car and am among the heaviest of our drivers and consistantly the fastest at our Auto-x's...one team racing is 80 lbs lighter than me...we are working witha 500 lb vehicle with 80 whp...
| gearhead | 06-18-2005 04:05 PM |
any body who brings in more viewers to motorsports is a good thing . Magazine layout tacky, Would i call her a slut for it, no. Its marketing of a driver and team. She has allready got EVERYONE talking, thats good. If she wins a couple of races great, more attention to motorsports. Is she over hyped yea i think she is.
| moodyracing | 06-18-2005 04:14 PM |
Indy drivers are alway made a big deal of. Remember Danny Sullivan? He won the indy in the '80's. He was good looking and played on it. If I recall correctly he did a "guest spot" on Miami Vice after winning and many "spreads". Talk about hype and all he did was win the race and not another after. His further career was less than stellar.
[url]http://f1rejects.com/drivers/sullivan/[/url]
My point is the winner or "special rookie" of "big" events, ie, indy, daytona, etc., alway get alot of unwarranted hype. snore :o Show me a rookie who can go out and win the championship, that warrants major hype.
But I really wish chicks that race would stop posing for cheesecake T&A shots, as a chick is annoys the p*** out of me. Go out and race, kick some guy a** and do us proud.
kathy
[url]http://f1rejects.com/drivers/sullivan/[/url]
My point is the winner or "special rookie" of "big" events, ie, indy, daytona, etc., alway get alot of unwarranted hype. snore :o Show me a rookie who can go out and win the championship, that warrants major hype.
But I really wish chicks that race would stop posing for cheesecake T&A shots, as a chick is annoys the p*** out of me. Go out and race, kick some guy a** and do us proud.
kathy
| cooleyjb | 06-18-2005 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE=Homemade WRX]I drive the Old Dominion University Formula SAE car and am among the heaviest of our drivers and consistantly the fastest at our Auto-x's...one team racing is 80 lbs lighter than me...we are working witha 500 lb vehicle with 80 whp...[/QUOTE]
equal driver talent and lighter weight will win every time. according to the results so far the rest of your team is not as good of a driver as you are.
equal driver talent and lighter weight will win every time. according to the results so far the rest of your team is not as good of a driver as you are.
| cooleyjb | 06-18-2005 05:15 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Except Danica is a rookie, and Anna has been in tennis for a long time..
Criminy..[/QUOTE]
Ummm.. Danica has been racing for a long time. Longer than most people on this board is my guess. She may be a rookie at the Indy series but that doesn't mean she is a rookie at racing.
Criminy..[/QUOTE]
Ummm.. Danica has been racing for a long time. Longer than most people on this board is my guess. She may be a rookie at the Indy series but that doesn't mean she is a rookie at racing.
| Butt Dyno | 06-18-2005 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]Ummm.. Danica has been racing for a long time. Longer than most people on this board is my guess. She may be a rookie at the Indy series but that doesn't mean she is a rookie at racing.[/QUOTE]
Right, and AnnaK played tennis before she turned pro. I was just disputing the analogy.
edit: And Danica did the FHM shoot over two years ago, before landing an Indy ride. Has she done anything offensive since?
Right, and AnnaK played tennis before she turned pro. I was just disputing the analogy.
edit: And Danica did the FHM shoot over two years ago, before landing an Indy ride. Has she done anything offensive since?
| cooleyjb | 06-18-2005 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Right, and AnnaK played tennis before she turned pro. I was just disputing the analogy.
[/QUOTE]
works for me
Also I don't care what she does off the track to be honest. She can do whatever she wants to get sponsor money extra money or whatever. I think everyone here will still judge her by her merits on the track as to what kind of driver she is. To be in the hunt at the Indy level you have to be a GREAT driver, which she apparently is. There are a lot of drivers out there that have not won at the pinnacle levels of motorsports that are still considered unbelievable drivers. Hans Stuck is one that comes to mind, I don't think he won an F1 race but I would be hard pressed to find a better driver out there. She's a great driver, is she the best female driver ever, jury is out because she is only 23, but she does have the opportunity to be considered the best ever. Let's see what she does with it.
[/QUOTE]
works for me
Also I don't care what she does off the track to be honest. She can do whatever she wants to get sponsor money extra money or whatever. I think everyone here will still judge her by her merits on the track as to what kind of driver she is. To be in the hunt at the Indy level you have to be a GREAT driver, which she apparently is. There are a lot of drivers out there that have not won at the pinnacle levels of motorsports that are still considered unbelievable drivers. Hans Stuck is one that comes to mind, I don't think he won an F1 race but I would be hard pressed to find a better driver out there. She's a great driver, is she the best female driver ever, jury is out because she is only 23, but she does have the opportunity to be considered the best ever. Let's see what she does with it.
| hotrod | 06-18-2005 06:41 PM |
[quote] I don't think she's worth all the fuss. It's not like there's never been a woman at Indy before, and frankly she made a fool out of herself there. Sure, she finished well, but she spun on a yellow flag and took out two competitors. Reeeal nice job.
[/quote]
If you do some homework you'll find that a very large percentage of rookies in Indy racing have had "incidents" the first few years they run. People that are big name race drivers included.
[quote]"2005 ...helped by a crash by fellow rookie Sebastien Bourdais one lap from the end. Wheldon ran out of fuel on his cooldown lap."[/quote]
[quote]"2003
Rookie Dan Wheldon brought out the last of eight caution flags in the race when he slammed into the fourth turn wall, flew into the air and landed upside down. Wheldon, who had been running in the top six most of the day, was not injured. [/quote]
[quote]Another rookie, Scott Dixon, held up the restart when he scraped the wall and spun on the main straightaway"[/quote]
As far as the promotions are concerned, a lot of rookie drivers have little control over the promotion spots they have to do. The boss says go here do that and if you want to keep your ride you do as your told. Shirley Muldowny is a good example. She was promoted as Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowny thanks to her boss. She absolutely detested that, but didn't have sufficient control over things to stop it until she became a world champion.
There is in my mind little difference between Danika being promoted as an attractive girl and big name drivers like Dale Earnhardt being promoted as "the intimidator". They find a promo angle that works with the fans and they use it.
At this level of racing, the sponsor is buying a complete package both a talented driver and a good promotional asset to get exposure for his advertising dollar. Not much difference between that and a big name celebrity actor that can stand on the quality of their acting skill doing publicity stunts to hype a new movie.
I wish Danika well, I think she has the talent to be competitive, and I hope her press coverage revives interest in open wheel racing here in the U.S.. Most of you are too young to remember the hype that surrounded the likes of Jimmy Clark, or Graham Hill showing up at Indy, or the press coverage that Janet Guthrie, Lyn St. James , and Sara fisher got in their turns as the only "lady" in the field.
When Janet Guthrie qualified to run the first time at Indy, there was a huge pre-race debate on how they would handle the traditional "gentlemen start your engines" call.
That first year it was changed to "Lady and Gentlemen start your engines" and that has been the traditional starting call ever since when the grid is a mixed gender field.
There are lots of men that everyone thought were talented race drivers that could never even qualify for the race, let alone finish it in the top 2/3'ds of the field.
I say give her her due. I understand where Jamie is coming from, but in a sponsor driven big money environment like Indy, Nascar,NHRA drag racing, FIA WRC, or F1, many drivers are on a very short leash until they have a fan base of their own to give them clout when it comes to decisions about what they can and cannot do, or will or will not do.
I would love to see more women in the upper levels of racing, there are certainly many that have the talent. Only time will tell I guess.
Larry
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If you do some homework you'll find that a very large percentage of rookies in Indy racing have had "incidents" the first few years they run. People that are big name race drivers included.
[quote]"2005 ...helped by a crash by fellow rookie Sebastien Bourdais one lap from the end. Wheldon ran out of fuel on his cooldown lap."[/quote]
[quote]"2003
Rookie Dan Wheldon brought out the last of eight caution flags in the race when he slammed into the fourth turn wall, flew into the air and landed upside down. Wheldon, who had been running in the top six most of the day, was not injured. [/quote]
[quote]Another rookie, Scott Dixon, held up the restart when he scraped the wall and spun on the main straightaway"[/quote]
As far as the promotions are concerned, a lot of rookie drivers have little control over the promotion spots they have to do. The boss says go here do that and if you want to keep your ride you do as your told. Shirley Muldowny is a good example. She was promoted as Shirley "Cha Cha" Muldowny thanks to her boss. She absolutely detested that, but didn't have sufficient control over things to stop it until she became a world champion.
There is in my mind little difference between Danika being promoted as an attractive girl and big name drivers like Dale Earnhardt being promoted as "the intimidator". They find a promo angle that works with the fans and they use it.
At this level of racing, the sponsor is buying a complete package both a talented driver and a good promotional asset to get exposure for his advertising dollar. Not much difference between that and a big name celebrity actor that can stand on the quality of their acting skill doing publicity stunts to hype a new movie.
I wish Danika well, I think she has the talent to be competitive, and I hope her press coverage revives interest in open wheel racing here in the U.S.. Most of you are too young to remember the hype that surrounded the likes of Jimmy Clark, or Graham Hill showing up at Indy, or the press coverage that Janet Guthrie, Lyn St. James , and Sara fisher got in their turns as the only "lady" in the field.
When Janet Guthrie qualified to run the first time at Indy, there was a huge pre-race debate on how they would handle the traditional "gentlemen start your engines" call.
That first year it was changed to "Lady and Gentlemen start your engines" and that has been the traditional starting call ever since when the grid is a mixed gender field.
There are lots of men that everyone thought were talented race drivers that could never even qualify for the race, let alone finish it in the top 2/3'ds of the field.
I say give her her due. I understand where Jamie is coming from, but in a sponsor driven big money environment like Indy, Nascar,NHRA drag racing, FIA WRC, or F1, many drivers are on a very short leash until they have a fan base of their own to give them clout when it comes to decisions about what they can and cannot do, or will or will not do.
I would love to see more women in the upper levels of racing, there are certainly many that have the talent. Only time will tell I guess.
Larry
| Fubaru | 06-18-2005 06:47 PM |
She's hot
I like looking at her
I like looking at her
| Bloodline_Rex | 06-18-2005 06:53 PM |
She is a really good rookie driver. She is doing alot better than most rookies plus it takes alot of skill to drive those cars. Yes there is a little more hype on her because she is a woman but there is more pressure on her to. She is handling it well to still hang in the pack with the rest of the vets.
| johnfelstead | 06-18-2005 09:14 PM |
[QUOTE=RaceComp Engineering]Sorry John, I ,mispelled your name like 5000 times in that last post.
Mw[/QUOTE]
No probs Myles, i am used to it. :D (i do hate it though :D)
I know what he is getting at, but to say 90% of racing sucess is luck is not a fair statement, it's especially misleading for people who might think they just have to get a lucky break and they will be set, life doesnt work that way for 99.99% of people.
Luck and exploiting that luck can be factors, but small in comparison to the other requirements to suceed, especially so for the vast majority of racers and the readers of this forum who choose to compete. (we all need our heads testing for taking on this rediculous sport in the first place. ;) )
Mw[/QUOTE]
No probs Myles, i am used to it. :D (i do hate it though :D)
I know what he is getting at, but to say 90% of racing sucess is luck is not a fair statement, it's especially misleading for people who might think they just have to get a lucky break and they will be set, life doesnt work that way for 99.99% of people.
Luck and exploiting that luck can be factors, but small in comparison to the other requirements to suceed, especially so for the vast majority of racers and the readers of this forum who choose to compete. (we all need our heads testing for taking on this rediculous sport in the first place. ;) )
| esteve | 06-18-2005 11:13 PM |
[QUOTE=drdome99]Danica reminds me of kournikova, hot but hasn't won anything in the big leagues. Then will probably retire before she wins anything and make money off tv shows, endorsements and magazine shoots like FHM.[/QUOTE]
Kournikova is really hot, Patrick is not, but I see what you're getting at.
Kournikova is really hot, Patrick is not, but I see what you're getting at.
| CirrusWRX | 06-18-2005 11:29 PM |
FWIW the FHM spots appear to have been in the #31 issue in 2003, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Does that change anybody's opinion if she did the spread 2 years ago?
Does that change anybody's opinion if she did the spread 2 years ago?
| Opal | 06-19-2005 12:05 AM |
Does anyone know who Danica's parents are and how they got her to where she is at today? Someone of her age must have had some significant financial support to get where she is at. Sure, Bill Gates has done well with microsoft, but he also started off with piles of daddy's money.
Opal
Opal
| Chuck H | 06-19-2005 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Subie Gal]
what do you think of when you see her in FHM?
T&A
not a race car driver
Just good ole' T&A
[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that. From what I saw in those pics, she doesn't have any T or A. :lol: What I saw was a very skinny girl who needs to eat a little more.
But I agree that what she's doing to promote herself isn't helping other women atheletes be taken seriously as real competitors and not just as eye candy.
what do you think of when you see her in FHM?
T&A
not a race car driver
Just good ole' T&A
[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that. From what I saw in those pics, she doesn't have any T or A. :lol: What I saw was a very skinny girl who needs to eat a little more.
But I agree that what she's doing to promote herself isn't helping other women atheletes be taken seriously as real competitors and not just as eye candy.
| drdome99 | 06-19-2005 04:39 PM |
[QUOTE=esteve]Kournikova is really hot, Patrick is not, but I see what you're getting at.[/QUOTE]
Yea kournikova is definitley a TON hotter, but Danica is as hot as they come in her sport. And they did the same thing about Kournikova when she was a hot female rookie too, hoping she would "save" women's tennis. Until Danica actually wins something she is still just another "kournikova"
And indy racing gets some of the worst ratings (in the U.S.) of any televised sport, down on the NHL level, which is why they are pimping her out there on every other commercial to try to boost their ratings, you can't really blame them.
Yea kournikova is definitley a TON hotter, but Danica is as hot as they come in her sport. And they did the same thing about Kournikova when she was a hot female rookie too, hoping she would "save" women's tennis. Until Danica actually wins something she is still just another "kournikova"
And indy racing gets some of the worst ratings (in the U.S.) of any televised sport, down on the NHL level, which is why they are pimping her out there on every other commercial to try to boost their ratings, you can't really blame them.
| Butt Dyno | 06-19-2005 04:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Chuck H]I don't know about that. From what I saw in those pics, she doesn't have any T or A. :lol: What I saw was a very skinny girl who needs to eat a little more.
But I agree that what she's **doing** to promote herself isn't helping other women atheletes be taken seriously as real competitors and not just as eye candy.[/QUOTE]
She isn't DOING FHM shots. She DID one two years ago :)
But I agree that what she's **doing** to promote herself isn't helping other women atheletes be taken seriously as real competitors and not just as eye candy.[/QUOTE]
She isn't DOING FHM shots. She DID one two years ago :)
| WagonMonster | 06-19-2005 04:50 PM |
Danica has already proven to be better as a driver than Kournikova ever was as a tennis player.
| johnfelstead | 06-19-2005 06:08 PM |
not really, Anna was in many grand slam Quarter, Semis and Finals at the major events like Wimbledon early in her carreer as a tennis player, she was better than some people remember but was injured which screwed her tennis playing ability. She then chose to milk the model side of her potential instead.
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