| KC | 02-22-2006 08:54 PM |
DC Pro - Register yet?
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Limited to 200 entrants... up to 103 now... and only a couple days into it.
--kC
--kC
| solo2wrx | 02-22-2006 09:43 PM |
I am registered. I will be 57 ES.
| crystalhelix | 02-22-2006 09:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Limited to 200 entrants... up to 103 now... and only a couple days into it.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my co-driver is unsure whether he can make it or not and it is still a ways out. I am waiting to here back from him.
SO....I have never done a ProSolo before. I hear it's tons of fun
--kC[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my co-driver is unsure whether he can make it or not and it is still a ways out. I am waiting to here back from him.
SO....I have never done a ProSolo before. I hear it's tons of fun
| dowroa | 02-22-2006 11:28 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Limited to 200 entrants... up to 103 now... and only a couple days into it.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Post a link, please.
- dow
--kC[/QUOTE]
Post a link, please.
- dow
| crystalhelix | 02-22-2006 11:30 PM |
List:
[url]http://ams.scca.com/netforum/eweb/dynamicPage.aspx?site=scca&webkey=9923d8a8-4595-4138-986e-5a66d470be49&evt_key=a82d9e4a-33a2-4a6f-a850-59641e5fd25a[/url]
or
Event Page:
[url]http://www.scca.org/Event/Event.asp?IdS=01614A-3D137D0&Id=4661[/url]
Which one did you want?
[url]http://ams.scca.com/netforum/eweb/dynamicPage.aspx?site=scca&webkey=9923d8a8-4595-4138-986e-5a66d470be49&evt_key=a82d9e4a-33a2-4a6f-a850-59641e5fd25a[/url]
or
Event Page:
[url]http://www.scca.org/Event/Event.asp?IdS=01614A-3D137D0&Id=4661[/url]
Which one did you want?
| Storm | 02-23-2006 03:16 AM |
Does that mean you need a co-driver? :alien:
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]Yeah, my co-driver is unsure whether he can make it or not and it is still a ways out. I am waiting to here back from him.
SO....I have never done a ProSolo before. I hear it's tons of fun[/QUOTE]
Jay Storm
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]Yeah, my co-driver is unsure whether he can make it or not and it is still a ways out. I am waiting to here back from him.
SO....I have never done a ProSolo before. I hear it's tons of fun[/QUOTE]
Jay Storm
| KC | 02-23-2006 07:36 AM |
I would do it, but there's only 2 East Coast pros... (and the other is in Peru) and it's not really worth it to me if I'm not going to finale. ie: if I was going for it all, I'd do it and not worry about the cost. But to come down from new england, just for one event would cost more than I want to spend. (It would be at least $600 for the weekend if I drove the 8.)
| Corey | 02-23-2006 07:55 AM |
I'm signed up. I'm going to do the 3 closest Pro's again this year along with the Finale.
Corey #89 STS
Corey #89 STS
| angryfist | 02-23-2006 08:39 AM |
[QUOTE=Corey]I'm signed up. I'm going to do the 3 closest Pro's again this year along with the Finale.
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
+1
-Jason
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
+1
-Jason
| crystalhelix | 02-23-2006 08:50 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]I would do it, but there's only 2 East Coast pros... (and the other is in Peru) and it's not really worth it to me if I'm not going to finale. ie: if I was going for it all, I'd do it and not worry about the cost. But to come down from new england, just for one event would cost more than I want to spend. (It would be at least $600 for the weekend if I drove the 8.)[/QUOTE]
That makes a lot of sense. (I said that :confused: )
My plan was that if I didn't place well at a NT or a Pro then I wasn't going to spend lots of loot to try to go to topeka. I just don't have the money this year. As far as how well you do is it easier for Suby to do well at a Pro becaue of the initial "drag" portion?
Justin
[QUOTE=Storm]Does that mean you need a co-driver? :alien:
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]
I normally don't like co-driving but most people tell me I should get used to it because it helps absorb costs and it gives you someone to drink with when your there. ;)
We'll see how it goes. Still not 100% sure about my "national" schedule availability this year. Strangely your not the first to ask either. :cool:
Thanks Jay,
Justin
That makes a lot of sense. (I said that :confused: )
My plan was that if I didn't place well at a NT or a Pro then I wasn't going to spend lots of loot to try to go to topeka. I just don't have the money this year. As far as how well you do is it easier for Suby to do well at a Pro becaue of the initial "drag" portion?
Justin
[QUOTE=Storm]Does that mean you need a co-driver? :alien:
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]
I normally don't like co-driving but most people tell me I should get used to it because it helps absorb costs and it gives you someone to drink with when your there. ;)
We'll see how it goes. Still not 100% sure about my "national" schedule availability this year. Strangely your not the first to ask either. :cool:
Thanks Jay,
Justin
| jcroy66 | 02-23-2006 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=Corey]I'm signed up. I'm going to do the 3 closest Pro's again this year along with the Finale.
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
+2 (Phil and I).
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:
Corey #89 STS[/QUOTE]
+2 (Phil and I).
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:
| KC | 02-23-2006 09:24 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]+2 (Phil and I).
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
Oh come on... when did that change? Damn.. it was 1st 3 for me as a n00b.
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
Oh come on... when did that change? Damn.. it was 1st 3 for me as a n00b.
| crystalhelix | 02-23-2006 09:25 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]+2 (Phil and I).
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
How about that, a rule I didn't know about. I'll have to verify with my rule book. :rolleyes: :D If I come, I'd be happy to get a round for fellow suby associates, lol.
J
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
How about that, a rule I didn't know about. I'll have to verify with my rule book. :rolleyes: :D If I come, I'd be happy to get a round for fellow suby associates, lol.
J
| angryfist | 02-23-2006 09:40 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]+2 (Phil and I).
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
and during dinner its a shot for every cone you hit :D :lol: :devil:
Jen
P.S. Justin, oh, don't worry. I'm quite positive you'll have plenty of people to drink with in DC. Oh, did we tell you that the Pro rookies buy the first round?? ;) :devil:[/QUOTE]
and during dinner its a shot for every cone you hit :D :lol: :devil:
| bbimpreza | 02-23-2006 09:53 AM |
[QUOTE=angryfist]and during dinner its a shot for every cone you hit :D :lol: :devil:[/QUOTE]
Be careful with this rule. It could really hurt you the next morning.
Be careful with this rule. It could really hurt you the next morning.
| jcroy66 | 02-23-2006 10:45 AM |
[QUOTE=bbimpreza]Be careful with this rule. It could really hurt you the next morning.[/QUOTE]Even [b]trying [/b]to meet this rule can hurt you. Even if you "owe" 7 but you only make it through oh, uh, actually I don't remember.... :lol:
| angryfist | 02-23-2006 11:29 AM |
[QUOTE=bbimpreza]Be careful with this rule. It could really hurt you the next morning.[/QUOTE]
hey, i was DD that nigth since i only hit 2 cones... :D
how many did you hit? i think it was pretty close to double digits... :lol:
hey, i was DD that nigth since i only hit 2 cones... :D
how many did you hit? i think it was pretty close to double digits... :lol:
| Butt Dyno | 02-23-2006 01:05 PM |
I'm registered in STX, coz it's a half hour away and I'd be stupid not to. First Pro for me as well.
john
john
| ChrisDP | 02-23-2006 01:07 PM |
I'm in, #71 STS.
65spots left... wow!
65spots left... wow!
| PhilC | 02-23-2006 01:18 PM |
[QUOTE=angryfist]hey, i was DD that nigth since i only hit 2 cones... :D
how many did you hit? i think it was pretty close to double digits... :lol:[/QUOTE]
That was Toledo last year right? [url]http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/solo-05toledopro-sun.pdf[/url]
I count 8 for Billy on Saturday and 7 for Jen.
how many did you hit? i think it was pretty close to double digits... :lol:[/QUOTE]
That was Toledo last year right? [url]http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/solo-05toledopro-sun.pdf[/url]
I count 8 for Billy on Saturday and 7 for Jen.
| SloRice | 02-23-2006 02:32 PM |
Just signed up for the Pro and Nat. Tour in Peru and the Pro in DC.
Hopefully I'll be a little more competative this time around.
Hopefully I'll be a little more competative this time around.
| CamaroFS34 | 02-23-2006 02:37 PM |
I registered, but I don't know if I'll actually compete. I'm Chief of Impound, IIRC, so I'll be there...
Karen
Karen
| crystalhelix | 02-23-2006 02:51 PM |
Ok, I bit and signed up. Fun times to be expected. Somebody tell me where I should look for hotels please, lol.
JR
JR
| del105 | 02-23-2006 04:24 PM |
i signed up. :banana:
| wrxkix | 02-23-2006 04:34 PM |
I'm in. Looking forward to seeing everyone.
Steve
Steve
| TubeDriver | 02-23-2006 04:56 PM |
#7 AS .:banana:
| RacerMike | 02-23-2006 05:18 PM |
Where are the all the STis in STU? Come on and put .5 on me in the first 60 feet!!!!
| mccanixx | 02-23-2006 06:17 PM |
+1
I'll be there. Losing it up right.
I'll be there. Losing it up right.
| planetarygear | 02-24-2006 02:34 AM |
DAMN it FULL :furious:
Anyway I can still get in?
Anyway I can still get in?
| RacerMike | 02-24-2006 05:56 AM |
maybe, I heard that DC was pushing to get the entry limit upped to 225.
| KC | 02-24-2006 07:43 AM |
[QUOTE=planetarygear]DAMN it FULL :furious:
Anyway I can still get in?[/QUOTE]
5 days and the event is full. If this isn't a case where we need more east coast pros, I don't know what is.
Anyway I can still get in?[/QUOTE]
5 days and the event is full. If this isn't a case where we need more east coast pros, I don't know what is.
| Corey | 02-24-2006 08:10 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]5 days and the event is full. If this isn't a case where we need more east coast pros, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Tell me about it.
Corey #89 STS
Tell me about it.
Corey #89 STS
| PhilC | 02-24-2006 08:36 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]5 days and the event is full. If this isn't a case where we need more east coast pros, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Yep-yep. But where to find that venue and region willing to put one on?
A quick glance at the registered list seems to show about 40% local to WDC people, that's one heck of a local contingent. Here's hoping the locals can direct to the proper micro-brew-pubs and entertainment venues for those of us traveling in.
Yep-yep. But where to find that venue and region willing to put one on?
A quick glance at the registered list seems to show about 40% local to WDC people, that's one heck of a local contingent. Here's hoping the locals can direct to the proper micro-brew-pubs and entertainment venues for those of us traveling in.
| CamaroFS34 | 02-24-2006 08:50 AM |
Yeah, it's a shame that people who are committed to the series as a whole don't have priority, but then again, if you're committed to the series as a whole, you should have signed up immediately.... [i]if[/i] you knew that DC events fill up within minutes of registration opening. :(
Like I said, I don't know if I'll compete, but I knew enough to sign up anyway. It's easier to sign up and cancel than to try to get off the waitlist.
Karen
Like I said, I don't know if I'll compete, but I knew enough to sign up anyway. It's easier to sign up and cancel than to try to get off the waitlist.
Karen
| KC | 02-24-2006 08:59 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Yeah, it's a shame that people who are committed to the series as a whole don't have priority, but then again, if you're committed to the series as a whole, you should have signed up immediately.... [i]if[/i] you knew that DC events fill up within minutes of registration opening. :(
Like I said, I don't know if I'll compete, but I knew enough to sign up anyway. It's easier to sign up and cancel than to try to get off the waitlist.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Exactly.. it wasn't even announced that reg was opened. I went to look at some schedules and saw they were all linked... and just went to look at various events and DC had like 100 already.
I agree to an extent... especially when there are only 2 events... those committed to the event should have 1st dibs over those just signing up to try it out (But thats how we get people involved in that regard... so 50-50 on this).
Maybe for next year have registration for 2 events at a time. Not full, then open it up to one eventers.
Like I said, I don't know if I'll compete, but I knew enough to sign up anyway. It's easier to sign up and cancel than to try to get off the waitlist.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Exactly.. it wasn't even announced that reg was opened. I went to look at some schedules and saw they were all linked... and just went to look at various events and DC had like 100 already.
I agree to an extent... especially when there are only 2 events... those committed to the event should have 1st dibs over those just signing up to try it out (But thats how we get people involved in that regard... so 50-50 on this).
Maybe for next year have registration for 2 events at a time. Not full, then open it up to one eventers.
| mccanixx | 02-24-2006 08:59 AM |
I actually registered Feb. 14th. It was available off of the member area, but at the time was still unhighlighted in the schedule listings.
I probably should have posted up, but figured if I was smart enough everybody else would have been. Then it would have been filled up before it became highlighted. People would've really been bummed then.
I probably should have posted up, but figured if I was smart enough everybody else would have been. Then it would have been filled up before it became highlighted. People would've really been bummed then.
| angryfist | 02-24-2006 09:19 AM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]Yep-yep. But where to find that venue and region willing to put one on?[/QUOTE]
Detroit region offered to host a Pro at Oscoda again, but that was shut down by the national office... :mad:
Detroit region offered to host a Pro at Oscoda again, but that was shut down by the national office... :mad:
| PhilC | 02-24-2006 09:25 AM |
It's tough to say about the traveling people and priority. Looking over the list of registrants there are a LOT of the names I'd expect to see at every east of KS Pro missing and it would be a real shame if some of those people were excluded. On the flip side of the coin I think it's great that so many of the locals have signed up though. If we hadn't had a Toledo Pro within two hours of us two years ago I never would have gone to a Pro and never would have gotten addicted.
How is wait list being handled this year with SCCA? Previously the registration system would just keep taking registrations even after the limit was reached. It looks like this year it's just cutting people off.
How is wait list being handled this year with SCCA? Previously the registration system would just keep taking registrations even after the limit was reached. It looks like this year it's just cutting people off.
| planetarygear | 02-24-2006 09:29 AM |
Believe me, I would have signed up the moment I heard registration was open. I was cruising through here last night and saw it was open (well was open). And it is kind of crazy there IS only one Pro Solo on the entire east coast.
| rautox | 02-24-2006 09:42 AM |
I can see both sides of the local vs. dedicated/traveling competitor coin too. I'm sorta inclined to think that having more local competitors may be the better problem, at least at the moment. It seems that the pro format needs exposure and new blood. It's getting that at the DC pro.
DC's also planning to run some regional pros this year (per the dc mail list) that I'm sure will spark more interest. In a world that makes sense, that interest should eventually lead to more competitor interest, club recognition, and hopefully more national events.
Then again, as one of the newish DC locals, I'm biased :)
DC's also planning to run some regional pros this year (per the dc mail list) that I'm sure will spark more interest. In a world that makes sense, that interest should eventually lead to more competitor interest, club recognition, and hopefully more national events.
Then again, as one of the newish DC locals, I'm biased :)
| KC | 02-24-2006 09:43 AM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]It's tough to say about the traveling people and priority. Looking over the list of registrants there are a LOT of the names I'd expect to see at every east of KS Pro missing and it would be a real shame if some of those people were excluded. On the flip side of the coin I think it's great that so many of the locals have signed up though. If we hadn't had a Toledo Pro within two hours of us two years ago I never would have gone to a Pro and never would have gotten addicted.
How is wait list being handled this year with SCCA? Previously the registration system would just keep taking registrations even after the limit was reached. It looks like this year it's just cutting people off.[/QUOTE]
I sent a letter detailing my thoughts to Cindy. I would suggest everyone do the same. This isn't fair to those that NEED this event to make 2 events ... being this and Peru being closest for anyone close to North and East US.
Communication that reg was open was really lacking. Add onto the fact that 80ish WDCR people werer already registered before it was on the Event page as being availble REEKS of something... just not sure what.
Even a communication from HQ that reg was open in the member only area would have helped. I think someone from WDCR found that out and convinced a whole bunch of people to register asap...
How is wait list being handled this year with SCCA? Previously the registration system would just keep taking registrations even after the limit was reached. It looks like this year it's just cutting people off.[/QUOTE]
I sent a letter detailing my thoughts to Cindy. I would suggest everyone do the same. This isn't fair to those that NEED this event to make 2 events ... being this and Peru being closest for anyone close to North and East US.
Communication that reg was open was really lacking. Add onto the fact that 80ish WDCR people werer already registered before it was on the Event page as being availble REEKS of something... just not sure what.
Even a communication from HQ that reg was open in the member only area would have helped. I think someone from WDCR found that out and convinced a whole bunch of people to register asap...
| KC | 02-24-2006 09:49 AM |
[QUOTE=rautox]I can see both sides of the local vs. dedicated/traveling competitor coin too. I'm sorta inclined to think that having more local competitors may be the better problem, at least at the moment. It seems that the pro format needs exposure and new blood. It's getting that at the DC pro.
DC's also planning to run some regional pros this year (per the dc mail list) that I'm sure will spark more interest. In a world that makes sense, that interest should eventually lead to more competitor interest, club recognition, and hopefully more national events.
Then again, as one of the newish DC locals, I'm biased :)[/QUOTE]
But at the expense of those committed to the series and not just doing one event.. who does it help? Like I said, I agree new blood is good.. but what good is it when there few sites available.. and those many 1st timers aren't committed to the series?
I can understand a couple dozen at the most... but 150?
I'm going to put it another way...
How many DC people would go to an event more than 4 hrs away? HAhah. Yeah... right? Heck.. how many come up to the Devens tour where the competition is just as good? 1%? 3%? Oh thats right... WDCR holds their own divisional type event that same weekend.
--kC
DC's also planning to run some regional pros this year (per the dc mail list) that I'm sure will spark more interest. In a world that makes sense, that interest should eventually lead to more competitor interest, club recognition, and hopefully more national events.
Then again, as one of the newish DC locals, I'm biased :)[/QUOTE]
But at the expense of those committed to the series and not just doing one event.. who does it help? Like I said, I agree new blood is good.. but what good is it when there few sites available.. and those many 1st timers aren't committed to the series?
I can understand a couple dozen at the most... but 150?
I'm going to put it another way...
How many DC people would go to an event more than 4 hrs away? HAhah. Yeah... right? Heck.. how many come up to the Devens tour where the competition is just as good? 1%? 3%? Oh thats right... WDCR holds their own divisional type event that same weekend.
--kC
| planetarygear | 02-24-2006 09:56 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Communication that reg was open was really lacking. ...[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more KC!!!
I couldn't agree more KC!!!
| jcroy66 | 02-24-2006 09:58 AM |
Very good idea KC. I'll send a letter too.
Even though Phil and I made it in (like Greg, we registered for all 3 Pros on February 14th after I saw a post on SCCAForums that you could register if you entered the system via an "open" event), there are definitely a lot of people that travel the series that are not there. My first thought is to only allow series competitors (those committed to doing at least 2 events) on the waitlist.
And I'd go even further and say give first priority on the waitlist to those that have already shown the dedication to the series in the past, for instance by being invited to the ProFinale last year. Then if they expand to 225, those 25 extras would all be series competitors. I think that would cover most/all of the missing die-hards.
Even though Phil and I made it in (like Greg, we registered for all 3 Pros on February 14th after I saw a post on SCCAForums that you could register if you entered the system via an "open" event), there are definitely a lot of people that travel the series that are not there. My first thought is to only allow series competitors (those committed to doing at least 2 events) on the waitlist.
And I'd go even further and say give first priority on the waitlist to those that have already shown the dedication to the series in the past, for instance by being invited to the ProFinale last year. Then if they expand to 225, those 25 extras would all be series competitors. I think that would cover most/all of the missing die-hards.
| rautox | 02-24-2006 10:16 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]But at the expense of those committed to the series and not just doing one event.. who does it help? [/quote]In the short term, I completely see your point. But, I also think that the lack of opportunity to do a pro is why the series is in its current shrunken state. A lot of locals didn't sign up due to the intimidation factor of something they've never seen in YEARs of autocrossing. And isn't the mother ship the one who sets the season's schedule? Not being a wiseass, but how is it DC's fault when they're making some slots open?
[quote]Like I said, I agree new blood is good.. but what good is it when there few sites available.. and those many 1st timers aren't committed to the series?[/quote]Catch 22.
[quote]I can understand a couple dozen at the most... but 150?[/quote]:dunno Have you tried to register for one of the DC events recently? "We killed the server, again" followed by, "No, the server was fine we overloaded the credit card company's capacity" were the exchanges on the local list right after season subscriptions opened. We have hundreds of people all browsered up just waiting to click before every LOCAL event. It's nuts.
Can't speak to the other stuff. Don't know the history of the beef's I'm detecting.
Lack of capacity for growth seems to be the umbrella issue.
[quote]Like I said, I agree new blood is good.. but what good is it when there few sites available.. and those many 1st timers aren't committed to the series?[/quote]Catch 22.
[quote]I can understand a couple dozen at the most... but 150?[/quote]:dunno Have you tried to register for one of the DC events recently? "We killed the server, again" followed by, "No, the server was fine we overloaded the credit card company's capacity" were the exchanges on the local list right after season subscriptions opened. We have hundreds of people all browsered up just waiting to click before every LOCAL event. It's nuts.
Can't speak to the other stuff. Don't know the history of the beef's I'm detecting.
Lack of capacity for growth seems to be the umbrella issue.
| planetarygear | 02-24-2006 10:28 AM |
[QUOTE=rautox]how is it DC's fault when they're making some slots open?
[QUOTE]
I think DC is doing a fine job for allowing as many entrants as they do. There are 239 people preregistered for the year and I know they tried to get the Pro Solo bumped up to 225. My only beef was I did not see a date when registration opened.
[QUOTE]
I think DC is doing a fine job for allowing as many entrants as they do. There are 239 people preregistered for the year and I know they tried to get the Pro Solo bumped up to 225. My only beef was I did not see a date when registration opened.
| KC | 02-24-2006 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE]In the short term, I completely see your point. But, I also think that the lack of opportunity to do a pro is why the series is in its current shrunken state. A lot of locals didn't sign up due to the intimidation factor of something they've never seen in YEARs of autocrossing. And isn't the mother ship the one who sets the season's schedule? Not being a wiseass, but how is it DC's fault when they're making some slots open?[/QUOTE]
It comes down to this: It's a series. Not something like a tour where you have greater capacity/entrants and you only need to go to one to go to the big dance (or a divisional if the tour is too far away).
It requires a greater commitment to do the [B]PRO[/B]solo series with the goal of making it to the finale, if you do well enough (quailfy by being top in 2 of 3 events). Preventing access to one of, if not THE central event for those on the east coast becuase a slew of one timers want to 'try it' is not what the series is about.
The issue is lack of sites... but those willing to go to Peru and Walnut Ridge with the hopes of making it to the Finale should have 1st crack at spots, especially when there are not sites to go around like those west of the Mississippi. This includes 1st timers... as long as they commit. Do the series.. because that's what it is.
You don't see (as much as I hate to compare it) NASCAR drivers saying.. "I'm just gonna do this one race and see if it's for me". It's different, and it takes some commitment to enter the series.
Edit: WDCR does a great job at advertising events... locally. Almost to the point of trying to keep things to themsleves and patting themselves on the back when somehting goes their way. It won't surprise me to hear "Well WDCR sold out the Pro in a week!" *pat* *pat* *pat* And they also hold events at the same time as other big events in the NEDIV.. ie: Tour.. like last year and this year... to make it sort of difficult to do points locally and try for a national event at the same time.
I didn't see many WDCR people at Petersburg... or the Pros last year... or at Devens last year.. why? Because you guys just don't travel.
So.. how is having 150+ local guys 'trying out prosolo' going to help next year when they're not going to go to any other event thats more than 3 hrs away.. and when WDCR happens to have a points event scheduled at the same time?
--KC
It comes down to this: It's a series. Not something like a tour where you have greater capacity/entrants and you only need to go to one to go to the big dance (or a divisional if the tour is too far away).
It requires a greater commitment to do the [B]PRO[/B]solo series with the goal of making it to the finale, if you do well enough (quailfy by being top in 2 of 3 events). Preventing access to one of, if not THE central event for those on the east coast becuase a slew of one timers want to 'try it' is not what the series is about.
The issue is lack of sites... but those willing to go to Peru and Walnut Ridge with the hopes of making it to the Finale should have 1st crack at spots, especially when there are not sites to go around like those west of the Mississippi. This includes 1st timers... as long as they commit. Do the series.. because that's what it is.
You don't see (as much as I hate to compare it) NASCAR drivers saying.. "I'm just gonna do this one race and see if it's for me". It's different, and it takes some commitment to enter the series.
Edit: WDCR does a great job at advertising events... locally. Almost to the point of trying to keep things to themsleves and patting themselves on the back when somehting goes their way. It won't surprise me to hear "Well WDCR sold out the Pro in a week!" *pat* *pat* *pat* And they also hold events at the same time as other big events in the NEDIV.. ie: Tour.. like last year and this year... to make it sort of difficult to do points locally and try for a national event at the same time.
I didn't see many WDCR people at Petersburg... or the Pros last year... or at Devens last year.. why? Because you guys just don't travel.
So.. how is having 150+ local guys 'trying out prosolo' going to help next year when they're not going to go to any other event thats more than 3 hrs away.. and when WDCR happens to have a points event scheduled at the same time?
--KC
| CamaroFS34 | 02-24-2006 10:34 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]I'm going to put it another way...
How many DC people would go to an event more than 4 hrs away? HAhah. Yeah... right? [/QUOTE]
Exactly. Many of them refuse to drive 60-90 minutes to Aberdeen, yet complain if they can't get into a FedEx Field event because the 40 open slots not taken by season subscribers filled within 30 seconds of the registration opening. I've seen this discussed ad nauseum on the DC solo email list whenever "new sites" are discussed.
Karen
How many DC people would go to an event more than 4 hrs away? HAhah. Yeah... right? [/QUOTE]
Exactly. Many of them refuse to drive 60-90 minutes to Aberdeen, yet complain if they can't get into a FedEx Field event because the 40 open slots not taken by season subscribers filled within 30 seconds of the registration opening. I've seen this discussed ad nauseum on the DC solo email list whenever "new sites" are discussed.
Karen
| sstrano | 02-24-2006 10:38 AM |
Amen... I "registered" when there were 130 cars, and I'm not in. I've got a Pro Championship, a couple of Challenge wins and have run the series since '97. I've already complained basically stating all the things KC did. Those going to the other events should have first shot because it could ruin their year completely.
I'm all for folks trying Pro's. I never did one before I did my first one. ;) They are fun too. However, it's a series, and it can't survive if it's too regional. You run the very real risk of those who go to Kansas not making the trip at all because they might not qualify (say they have a poor AR or IN event).
I'd suggest those of you who have some history with Pro's contact the ProSolo powers that be in Topeka.
I'm all for folks trying Pro's. I never did one before I did my first one. ;) They are fun too. However, it's a series, and it can't survive if it's too regional. You run the very real risk of those who go to Kansas not making the trip at all because they might not qualify (say they have a poor AR or IN event).
I'd suggest those of you who have some history with Pro's contact the ProSolo powers that be in Topeka.
| crystalhelix | 02-24-2006 10:46 AM |
I am not taking everyone's comments the wrong way but I don't think they are geared towards me either. I just wanted to try a Pro. You guys know more than I do about the whole registration thing. I didn't notice the large DC presence until it was mentioned here. I guess it's just ignorance that I didn't notice that most of the entrants are DC people. I for one will be driving 4.5 hours from the burgh.
| KC | 02-24-2006 10:52 AM |
They're not directed at anyone in particular... just the situation of what happened itself and how to possibly remedy it for next year. (and some legitimate griping). :)
Have fun. :) Because, after all, that's what it still is about.
--kC
(I'll be there taking signatures for a contract that to participate this year, everyone must agree to do 2 pros next year)
Have fun. :) Because, after all, that's what it still is about.
--kC
(I'll be there taking signatures for a contract that to participate this year, everyone must agree to do 2 pros next year)
| rautox | 02-24-2006 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]You don't see (as much as I hate to compare it) NASCAR drivers saying.. "I'm just gonna do this one race and see if it's for me". It's different, and it takes some commitment to enter the series.[/QUOTE]
OK, thanks to this thread, this side of the argument's a lot clearer to me, one of the majority of autocrossers who have been doing this less than a decade and who've yet to make it to Topeka. Ah, SERIES.
That said, I'll again point out the lack of opportunity to participate without trying it once, outside of the SERIES. Lots of paths to nascar (tragically), not so for pro. Can't blame people for wanting to try it, can ya? And by "try it," I mean do their first of probably many.
In conclusion (i hope), this is the internet and rather than being persuaded that there can be another valid (and perhaps convincing) point of view, I'll state emphatically and for the record that you all suck :lol: :banana:
OK, thanks to this thread, this side of the argument's a lot clearer to me, one of the majority of autocrossers who have been doing this less than a decade and who've yet to make it to Topeka. Ah, SERIES.
That said, I'll again point out the lack of opportunity to participate without trying it once, outside of the SERIES. Lots of paths to nascar (tragically), not so for pro. Can't blame people for wanting to try it, can ya? And by "try it," I mean do their first of probably many.
In conclusion (i hope), this is the internet and rather than being persuaded that there can be another valid (and perhaps convincing) point of view, I'll state emphatically and for the record that you all suck :lol: :banana:
| KC | 02-24-2006 11:11 AM |
You do have events... Local Auto-x. Divisional Auto-x. Tours. It's all auto-x.
The format is changed a little... but it's still auto-x.
The format is changed a little... but it's still auto-x.
| PhilC | 02-24-2006 11:13 AM |
To put things in perspective here I count 85 WDC region entries. Hey look at that my first off the cuff guess of 40% was pretty darn close.
I hope some of those 85 do in fact go on to join the series and travel to the big events. Two years ago when Toledo Pro was our first ever Pro I think there were probably 20 people total who were first timers. In DC we're literally looking at an event where half the field is first timers as far as I can tell.
I hope some of those 85 do in fact go on to join the series and travel to the big events. Two years ago when Toledo Pro was our first ever Pro I think there were probably 20 people total who were first timers. In DC we're literally looking at an event where half the field is first timers as far as I can tell.
| KC | 02-24-2006 11:37 AM |
Phil.. seeing that makes me kinda happy in a way that I'm NOT going. I can't imagine how thats going to work out.
| jcroy66 | 02-24-2006 01:46 PM |
So I just went through and looked through the entry list for my email to Cindy and Howard. I compiled a list of [b]42[/b] names of regular ProSolo "die-hards" - these were people that competed in at least 2 east coast Pros last year AND the ProFinale - and yet are NOT on the DC Pro entry list. This list of 42 includes 8 2005 ProSolo season champions! And yet, as it stands now, they would not be at one of the "premier" events. What a total shame.
| sstrano | 02-24-2006 01:59 PM |
It's being looked at. I'd still sent an entry if you want to go. I'm sure they are doing their best to balance the wants of locals to run with the needs of the regulars to run.
But, if you aren't on the list, you won't get in at all. :)
But, if you aren't on the list, you won't get in at all. :)
| jcroy66 | 02-24-2006 02:31 PM |
Yeah, I noticed you weren't on the list this morning Sam, but when I was looking through the list this afternoon for the email to Cindy and Howard, that you had "made it". Woohoo! :)
Oh, and Phil and I are in. My email to Cindy was for the sake of everyone else and for my own sake of wanting the "best of the best" to be there.
Oh, and Phil and I are in. My email to Cindy was for the sake of everyone else and for my own sake of wanting the "best of the best" to be there.
| ChrisDP | 02-24-2006 03:06 PM |
All I can say is... there are some locals on that list that have serious potential to swipe some points from the 2-eventers already. If their names aren't well-known now, they will be after this event or in the not-too-distant future thereafter. :eek:
What if... they brought back the ProSolo license and made it actually mean something? Hypothetically, make it $20. PS license holders get a $10 discount on entry fee and reg opens earlier for them. If run 2 events, you break even. If you run less, you threw away money which might deter a few people.
What if... they brought back the ProSolo license and made it actually mean something? Hypothetically, make it $20. PS license holders get a $10 discount on entry fee and reg opens earlier for them. If run 2 events, you break even. If you run less, you threw away money which might deter a few people.
| KC | 02-24-2006 03:11 PM |
Could do that.. but 1st event of the year has always been free anyways.
As far as one eventers 'stealing' spots... if they're that good, they should try and do the series. It's mostly a west coast thing this year.. and that has quite a few people pissed off. And in a way.. getting beat by a one eventer is like getting blocked from somoene that already has two event wins in place later in the season. It happens.
The only problem is, you USED TO be able to go to other events to make up for that block/one eventer. This year.. can't happen unless you live somewhere out west where you have 6 prosolos to choose from. Hence additional frustration.
--kC
As far as one eventers 'stealing' spots... if they're that good, they should try and do the series. It's mostly a west coast thing this year.. and that has quite a few people pissed off. And in a way.. getting beat by a one eventer is like getting blocked from somoene that already has two event wins in place later in the season. It happens.
The only problem is, you USED TO be able to go to other events to make up for that block/one eventer. This year.. can't happen unless you live somewhere out west where you have 6 prosolos to choose from. Hence additional frustration.
--kC
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