| REX8 | 07-16-2006 04:54 PM |
You can't just pretent he wasn't on a 3-stopper and use that pace to compare him to a 2-stopper...
Again, I thnk he wouldn't been there to fight for 2nd...but come on...this is modern day F1...passes are few and far between at the front...
Again, I thnk he wouldn't been there to fight for 2nd...but come on...this is modern day F1...passes are few and far between at the front...
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX] he could have if he really tried,[/QUOTE]
Its this statement I don't get...
Do you know Kimi's pace on an equal fuel load??? And then you assume he could pass the guy no one can seem to pass...
Not saying he couldn't have...but you are making gigantic assumptions and have yet to address that Kimi's pace was on a lighter load...and assume FA wouldn't have picked up his pace if he was attacked...
On the plus side...he did seem to gain some pace this weekend. Should make the rest of the year exciting...
Its this statement I don't get...
Do you know Kimi's pace on an equal fuel load??? And then you assume he could pass the guy no one can seem to pass...
Not saying he couldn't have...but you are making gigantic assumptions and have yet to address that Kimi's pace was on a lighter load...and assume FA wouldn't have picked up his pace if he was attacked...
On the plus side...he did seem to gain some pace this weekend. Should make the rest of the year exciting...
| REX8 | 07-16-2006 05:01 PM |
And if the Kimi/Renault rumors turn out to be true...we should be hoping they (Renault) kick McM's butt the rest of this year... :lol:
| ptclaus98 | 07-16-2006 05:41 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]And if the Kimi/Renault rumors turn out to be true...we should be hoping they (Renault) kick McM's butt the rest of this year... :lol:[/QUOTE]
I doubt Kimi will go to Renault. Unless Michael says that he will come back, Raikkonen should go to Ferrari.
I doubt Kimi will go to Renault. Unless Michael says that he will come back, Raikkonen should go to Ferrari.
| KAX | 07-16-2006 05:47 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Its this statement I don't get...
Do you know Kimi's pace on an equal fuel load??? And then you assume he could pass the guy no one can seem to pass...
Not saying he couldn't have...but you are making gigantic assumptions and have yet to address that Kimi's pace was on a lighter load...and assume FA wouldn't have picked up his pace if he was attacked...
On the plus side...he did seem to gain some pace this weekend. Should make the rest of the year exciting...[/QUOTE]
i havent addressed it because you have. i know he was on a lighter load, youve said that. only reason no one has passed fernando is because they dont try/havent gotten the chance. he drives the renault so he gets good starts and a quick car so he can pull away quickly. doesnt mean hes incapable of being passed. i know alonso would have picked up the pace too, but had kimi really wanted it, i have no doubt he could have gotten it, when hes motivated he can do very good things (suzuka 2005, and bahrain this season). problem is, there was no incentive for it, there was no real gain from trying so he didnt, end of story.
Do you know Kimi's pace on an equal fuel load??? And then you assume he could pass the guy no one can seem to pass...
Not saying he couldn't have...but you are making gigantic assumptions and have yet to address that Kimi's pace was on a lighter load...and assume FA wouldn't have picked up his pace if he was attacked...
On the plus side...he did seem to gain some pace this weekend. Should make the rest of the year exciting...[/QUOTE]
i havent addressed it because you have. i know he was on a lighter load, youve said that. only reason no one has passed fernando is because they dont try/havent gotten the chance. he drives the renault so he gets good starts and a quick car so he can pull away quickly. doesnt mean hes incapable of being passed. i know alonso would have picked up the pace too, but had kimi really wanted it, i have no doubt he could have gotten it, when hes motivated he can do very good things (suzuka 2005, and bahrain this season). problem is, there was no incentive for it, there was no real gain from trying so he didnt, end of story.
| StuBeck | 07-16-2006 06:53 PM |
Kimi was so fast because of his car being light and his tyres were dying soon. Once he pitted he never got his speed back and was fairly close to Ralf the entire time so he should have been motivated to pass him.
His pass on the outside of someone was amazing. I liked the race, although the track does need some work to make it more passing friendly.
His pass on the outside of someone was amazing. I liked the race, although the track does need some work to make it more passing friendly.
| OnTheGas | 07-16-2006 07:49 PM |
On McLaren @ Magny Cours
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In France, who were the fastest Michelin runners?
[URL=http://www.formula1.com/race/result/fastestlaps/761/8.html]Magny Cours fast laps[/URL][list][*]1:17.625 [b]De La Rosa[/b][*]1:17.717 [b]Raikkonen[/b][*]1:17.770 Alonso[/list]The only cars to set laptimes faster were both of the Ferraris, both of which set fast laps of 1:17.1.
[quote][i]Kimi Raikkonen[/i]
A disappointing race as the car was handling really well. We were lacking the speed to win, but I lost a few tenths in the second pit-stop which cost me fourth place today, so we definitely could have done better today. The car is steadily improving and we have further developments at the next test so we now look forward to the next race at Hockenheim in two weeks time, where hopefully we will score better in front of Mercedes-Benz home crowd.[/quote]
Kimi's 2nd pit stop was 24.7 secs vs. his 1st stop @ 20.6, & 3rd stop @ 20.4, so he lost a [b]full 4 seconds[/b].
With that strong race pace, why weren't the McLarens on the podium?
I'd say two reasons. First, look where Kimi qualified... 6th, behind both of the Toyotas, who were both fat with fuel to run 20 to 22 laps, while Kimi was lighter with only 17 laps of fuel. Not only that, but Fernando qual'd ahead of both Toyotas w/the same fuel load of 17 laps. Kimi's qual time was 1:16.2 vs. Alonso's 1:15.7. A half of a second is a life time in F1... So either McLaren chose the wrong tire compound, (they were apparently on a [url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225437]differenct compound[/url]), or McLaren's set up did not produce maximum single qualifying hot lap performance.
The second reason is that McLaren probably chose the wrong strategy, of 3 stopping vs. 2 stopping. Remember that the only reason that Kimi was in Ralf's neighborhood, was because Ralf lost 10 seconds during his first pit stop when a rear lug nut stuck. If not for that, then Ralf would have been cleanly in 4th, and perhaps knocking on Massa's door for the podium finish. Whereas Renault switched Fernando from a 3 stop to 2 stop strategy, and successfully passed Massa for 2nd. While it is possible to pass for position on track here, it requires either a mistake from the lead driver, or a strong difference in lap times (when Kimi passed Trulli on the track on lap 27 he was ~1 full sec / lap faster). But otherwise, it is a position track, where a team and driver must use pit stop strategy, and saving their tires for fast laps at crucial times to pass.
Another way to look how McLaren lost a chance to fight for the podium is to compare total pit times of Alonso, Kimi, Ralf, and Felipe:
[U]Finishing Position & Total Pit Stop time[/U]:[list][*]2nd 0:44.4xx Fernando 2 stops[*]3rd 1:01.0xx Massa 3 stops[*]4th 0:51.7xx Ralf 2 stops (includes the extra 10 secs)[*]5th 1:05.8xx Kimi 3 stops (includes the extra 4 secs)[/list]
So the position battles were essentially over when both competitors completed their pitstops. In the battle for 2nd, that would have been lap 54, when Massa came out from his 3rd stop ~7.5 secs behind Alonso. If Massa had instead ran a two stopper, he would have saved ~15 secs, and would have had the track position over Fernando. (Though Ferrari's choice in tire compound may have been too aggressive for that strategy, Toyota showed that there was a B'stone compound that may have worked.)
Back to McLaren, and the battle for 4th, the last pit stop was Kimi's 3rd on lap 54, when Kimi came out ~1.4 secs behind Ralf. If McLaren had switched to a 2 stop strategy, it would have saved Kimi ~15 secs of pit time, and he may have finished 4th, (or 3rd, as Massa was 14 secs ahead on that lap).
The difference between Renault's aggressive race strategy of enabling Fernando to switch between 3 stop and 2 stop strategies mid-race, vs. Kimi and McLaren's less aggressive strategy @ Magny Cours, is that Renault is dogfighting for both championships against Ferrari, whereas Kimi and McLaren have both said earlier this season that since they are not championship contenders, then they will fight for race wins. So speculating whether Kimi would fight hard for 3rd, or 2nd... the answer is probably no, but the team will fight hard if there is a chance to win.
[quote][i][URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225431]Norbert Haug[/URL][/i]
Our grid positions were decisive for the outcome of our race, the pace was better than in qualifying. So it was very difficult to improve on sixth and eighth despite the fact that our lap times were among the fastest of the Michelin runners. Kimi was the second placed Michelin car, but we want to do better.[/quote]I hope their new bits for Hockenheim are good.
[URL=http://www.formula1.com/race/result/fastestlaps/761/8.html]Magny Cours fast laps[/URL][list][*]1:17.625 [b]De La Rosa[/b][*]1:17.717 [b]Raikkonen[/b][*]1:17.770 Alonso[/list]The only cars to set laptimes faster were both of the Ferraris, both of which set fast laps of 1:17.1.
[quote][i]Kimi Raikkonen[/i]
A disappointing race as the car was handling really well. We were lacking the speed to win, but I lost a few tenths in the second pit-stop which cost me fourth place today, so we definitely could have done better today. The car is steadily improving and we have further developments at the next test so we now look forward to the next race at Hockenheim in two weeks time, where hopefully we will score better in front of Mercedes-Benz home crowd.[/quote]
Kimi's 2nd pit stop was 24.7 secs vs. his 1st stop @ 20.6, & 3rd stop @ 20.4, so he lost a [b]full 4 seconds[/b].
With that strong race pace, why weren't the McLarens on the podium?
I'd say two reasons. First, look where Kimi qualified... 6th, behind both of the Toyotas, who were both fat with fuel to run 20 to 22 laps, while Kimi was lighter with only 17 laps of fuel. Not only that, but Fernando qual'd ahead of both Toyotas w/the same fuel load of 17 laps. Kimi's qual time was 1:16.2 vs. Alonso's 1:15.7. A half of a second is a life time in F1... So either McLaren chose the wrong tire compound, (they were apparently on a [url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225437]differenct compound[/url]), or McLaren's set up did not produce maximum single qualifying hot lap performance.
The second reason is that McLaren probably chose the wrong strategy, of 3 stopping vs. 2 stopping. Remember that the only reason that Kimi was in Ralf's neighborhood, was because Ralf lost 10 seconds during his first pit stop when a rear lug nut stuck. If not for that, then Ralf would have been cleanly in 4th, and perhaps knocking on Massa's door for the podium finish. Whereas Renault switched Fernando from a 3 stop to 2 stop strategy, and successfully passed Massa for 2nd. While it is possible to pass for position on track here, it requires either a mistake from the lead driver, or a strong difference in lap times (when Kimi passed Trulli on the track on lap 27 he was ~1 full sec / lap faster). But otherwise, it is a position track, where a team and driver must use pit stop strategy, and saving their tires for fast laps at crucial times to pass.
Another way to look how McLaren lost a chance to fight for the podium is to compare total pit times of Alonso, Kimi, Ralf, and Felipe:
[U]Finishing Position & Total Pit Stop time[/U]:[list][*]2nd 0:44.4xx Fernando 2 stops[*]3rd 1:01.0xx Massa 3 stops[*]4th 0:51.7xx Ralf 2 stops (includes the extra 10 secs)[*]5th 1:05.8xx Kimi 3 stops (includes the extra 4 secs)[/list]
So the position battles were essentially over when both competitors completed their pitstops. In the battle for 2nd, that would have been lap 54, when Massa came out from his 3rd stop ~7.5 secs behind Alonso. If Massa had instead ran a two stopper, he would have saved ~15 secs, and would have had the track position over Fernando. (Though Ferrari's choice in tire compound may have been too aggressive for that strategy, Toyota showed that there was a B'stone compound that may have worked.)
Back to McLaren, and the battle for 4th, the last pit stop was Kimi's 3rd on lap 54, when Kimi came out ~1.4 secs behind Ralf. If McLaren had switched to a 2 stop strategy, it would have saved Kimi ~15 secs of pit time, and he may have finished 4th, (or 3rd, as Massa was 14 secs ahead on that lap).
The difference between Renault's aggressive race strategy of enabling Fernando to switch between 3 stop and 2 stop strategies mid-race, vs. Kimi and McLaren's less aggressive strategy @ Magny Cours, is that Renault is dogfighting for both championships against Ferrari, whereas Kimi and McLaren have both said earlier this season that since they are not championship contenders, then they will fight for race wins. So speculating whether Kimi would fight hard for 3rd, or 2nd... the answer is probably no, but the team will fight hard if there is a chance to win.
[quote][i][URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=225431]Norbert Haug[/URL][/i]
Our grid positions were decisive for the outcome of our race, the pace was better than in qualifying. So it was very difficult to improve on sixth and eighth despite the fact that our lap times were among the fastest of the Michelin runners. Kimi was the second placed Michelin car, but we want to do better.[/quote]I hope their new bits for Hockenheim are good.
| KAX | 07-16-2006 08:15 PM |
while your mathematics are correct, your not including the added fuel for a 2 stop vs 3 stop strategies. they well may have lost those 15 seconds they would have gained in the pits, while driving on the track heavier then they were.
but i thank you for you the gleam of hope in a mclarens fans dreams :D
but i thank you for you the gleam of hope in a mclarens fans dreams :D
| wvallwheeldrive | 07-16-2006 08:45 PM |
I believe Mclaren will win a race before the end of the year
| OnTheGas | 07-17-2006 10:52 AM |
Good point!
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[QUOTE=KAX]while your mathematics are correct, your not including the added fuel for a 2 stop vs 3 stop strategies...[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right. Good point! Thank you for the correction!
I was not able to find anyone (team, tire co, or journalist) to tell us the fuel weight penalty on lap times at Magny Cours. And comparing lap times between Alonso and Kimi between laps 18 and 31 (after their 1st stops, Alonso was carrying 10 laps more fuel than Kimi) is not profitable (very similiar laptimes btw), because the Renault chassis is probably more aero efficient than the McLaren, and there are other unknowns, such as traffic, etc.
But I do not think that it was a strong penalty because the cars are carrying medium downforce, and the tire compounds are pretty sticky at Magny Cours. (Whereas the laptime penalty would be much higher w/low downforce and less grippy tires.) Also, their is not a great deal of difference in laptimes between the leading two stoppers and the three stoppers. For example, Alonso rolled out of the pits on lap 42 carrying 38 laps worth fuel to finish the race, and was able to turn a 1:18.13 and 1:18.2... On those particular laps (45 & 46), Kimi was fairly light on fuel, and he also turned an 18.2 and 18.1.
I was not able to find anyone (team, tire co, or journalist) to tell us the fuel weight penalty on lap times at Magny Cours. And comparing lap times between Alonso and Kimi between laps 18 and 31 (after their 1st stops, Alonso was carrying 10 laps more fuel than Kimi) is not profitable (very similiar laptimes btw), because the Renault chassis is probably more aero efficient than the McLaren, and there are other unknowns, such as traffic, etc.
But I do not think that it was a strong penalty because the cars are carrying medium downforce, and the tire compounds are pretty sticky at Magny Cours. (Whereas the laptime penalty would be much higher w/low downforce and less grippy tires.) Also, their is not a great deal of difference in laptimes between the leading two stoppers and the three stoppers. For example, Alonso rolled out of the pits on lap 42 carrying 38 laps worth fuel to finish the race, and was able to turn a 1:18.13 and 1:18.2... On those particular laps (45 & 46), Kimi was fairly light on fuel, and he also turned an 18.2 and 18.1.
| MattDell | 07-17-2006 10:55 AM |
I thought that was a great race! Lot's of passing/overtaking and no one crashed on the first lap... actually, no one crashed at all!
Great finish for Scott Speed, too! :banana:
-Matt
Great finish for Scott Speed, too! :banana:
-Matt
| enduroshark | 07-17-2006 11:33 AM |
Yeah, plus I got 48 points on my P6!
:)
:)
| REX8 | 07-17-2006 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]I doubt Kimi will go to Renault. Unless Michael says that he will come back, Raikkonen should go to Ferrari.[/QUOTE]
I think Michaels definately coming back...
I think Michaels definately coming back...
| MattDell | 07-17-2006 11:46 AM |
I only got 38. I can never get the bottom 4! :mad:
Dear Trulli, Barrichello, Button, and that other guy I picked. FINISH NEXT TIME, ktnx!!
-Matt
Dear Trulli, Barrichello, Button, and that other guy I picked. FINISH NEXT TIME, ktnx!!
-Matt
| MattDell | 07-17-2006 12:07 PM |
Driver quotes are out. :)
[QUOTE]Ferrari's front-row start was not quite enough to prevent Fernando Alonso giving Renault second place in their home Grand Prix. Further down the order there were dramatic spins for Tiago Monteiro and Mark Webber. They and the other drivers explain events at Magny-Cours...
Michael Schumacher, Ferrari (1st):
�A fantastic result, even if in all honesty it was unexpected. We did not know how the race would pan out, especially as we had not been able to do many long runs over the previous days. For these ten points, I have to thank the great guys in the team and our exceptional technical partners, starting with Bridgestone. The whole package - car, engine, tyres - was excellent today. I got a good start and from then on I could run my own race. Now we have to keep this momentum going. The championship is far from over and these two points we have made up on our main rivals are very important. I hope we can soon make up more ground.�
Fernando Alonso, Renault (2nd):
�That was a long, tough race for me but in the circumstances, a perfect result. We went into the race with two possibilities on the strategy, and once we saw that Ferrari would be three-stopping then we knew it would be hard to pass them on the track. So we chose to rely on the consistent tyre performance, and make two stops. The car balance was consistent all the way through the race, and I pushed hard to make sure I could get ahead of Felipe in the final part of the race. Given where I started on the grid, I think second is everything I could have hoped for because we knew that Michael was a bit quicker this weekend - like in Imola and the Nuburgring. Back then, everybody thought that Michael would win all the races after two wins in a row, and we responded very strongly. Hopefully, we can do the same at Hockenheim in two weeks� time.�
Felipe Massa, Ferrari (3rd):
�I think this was a very good result for us, although of course I would have liked to keep second place. I was on a three stop strategy and Fernando was switched to a two stop race and that meant I was not able to fight with him on the track. I also had a lot of traffic in my second and third stints and this effectively spoilt our three stop strategy and cost me second place. But overall, sixteen points in the bag means we make up a bit of ground on our rivals in both championships. The 248 F1 and the Bridgestone tyres worked better than I expected, possibly because of the extra rubber which gradually got put down on the track.�
Ralf Schumacher, Toyota (4th):
"We can be very satisfied with what we achieved today. It's a pity that we had a problem with the wheel nut at the first pit stop because we could probably have made the podium but these things happen. It was also a pity that Jarno had his problem but apart from that it was a very good weekend. We expected the car to be competitive because that is the way it has looked ever since Friday practice. The race was good for us too - the car was quick and the Bridgestone tyres were very good too. Our tyres have had the edge all weekend and we made a very good choice aimed at this two-stop strategy for the race. Our package has improved at every race recently so we can now look forward to maintaining this kind of performance for the rest of the season."
Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren (5th):
"A disappointing race as the car was handling really well. We were lacking the speed to win, but I lost a few tenths in the second pit-stop which cost me fourth place today, so we definitely could have done better today. The car is steadily improving and we have further developments at the next test so we now look forward to the next race at Hockenheim in two weeks time, where hopefully we will score better in front of the Mercedes-Benz home crowd."
Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault (6th):
�This wasn�t a great race for me to be honest. The car was getting more and more difficult to drive during the race, with tyre graining in the second stint that meant I couldn�t build a gap over Ralf and Kimi to stay ahead, and then a lot of problems under braking in the final part of the race as well. We need to have a look at what happened, but you have to take the positive part from the results. I finished in the points, I am still third in the championship after a tough weekend and we completed a second race on the C spec engine without any problems. I am optimistic for the next races, and confident we can regain our advantage.�
Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren (7th):
"The car had the speed today and felt really good to drive. I feel I really could have scored more points if I had not lost position to Mark Webber at the start of the race. This meant that I lost a lot of time in the opening stint trying to pass him and when I eventually got passed during the pit stop I was behind a lot of traffic on different strategies. As a result following the first round of stops I was over 20 seconds behind Ralf Schumacher, so it was very difficult for me to improve on my position. I really enjoyed the race and I am pleased to have scored some points for the team and be one of the fastest of the Michelin runners."
Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber (8th):
�My car was okay, I scored a point and more was not possible today. Unusually for me, my start was only average. I didn�t gain any positions, but I didn�t lose any either. On the first lap I overtook David Coulthard in the hairpin, and that was important, as at the finish he was only a few seconds behind me. All in all my race was trouble free and I rarely got stuck in traffic, although I was wrongly shown blue flags for Pedro de la Rosa.�
David Coulthard, Red Bull (9th):
�That was pretty much the worst result we could get, having started from ninth on the grid. It�s very disappointing. We�re just the vultures of the paddock at the moment, picking up points when other people fall out. I enjoyed driving this weekend, and you always learn something as a team. We�re beginning to gel, as there have been a lot of new people, and I think we�re becoming one of the most organised teams in the pit lane. But that means nothing if you�re not quick enough to score points.�
Scott Speed, Toro Rosso (10th):
�This was one of the toughest races I have ever driven, because I was in so much pain throughout the race. I had a really good first lap battle with Rubens, which was actually a lot of fun. It was cool � an awesome fight! After the first pit stop, I was in so much pain it was difficult to concentrate. I went off the track at one point as I couldn�t concentrate on driving, braking, adjusting the traction control and deal with the pain all at the same time. But our pace was okay, the car performed well as we had done a good job setting it up.�
Jacques Villeneuve, BMW Sauber (11th):
�The beginning was exciting and I had to overtake Rubens Barrichello, but after that it was quite a boring race. The car was very good. When I came in for the pit stops the tyres were good and then for a few laps I needed to run them in, but by the end of the runs they were quick again. It was the right choice, we thought it was a big risk but, as we expected, once the track rubbered in it worked well. The only problem was my qualifying result.�
Christian Klien, Red Bull (12th):
�I had a problem at the start; I lost revs and dropped about two or three places, which was really disappointing. The race was very difficult in such hot conditions. My rear tyres were going off and I couldn�t drive in the slip-stream of other cars as my car�s temperature went a little too high. At the end of the race, the car felt better and I was able to make up five or six seconds on the BMW, but overall it�s been a disappointing weekend. A shame we haven�t been able to get any points here.�
Vitantonio Liuzzi, Toro Rosso (13th):
�To say the obvious, being at the back is not the best way to start a race, especially at a track like this where there are not too many chances to overtake. I don�t think having a V10 helped us. But the tyres and the car worked well.�
Nico Rosberg, Williams (14th):
�It was very hard for me today, first of all because I started from the back and then because the car was very difficult to drive. I was doing one qualifying lap after another, and I was on the limit all the time, but I just couldn�t drive any quicker. We were struggling with the tyres, and I was also unlucky with the pit stops. When we decided to stop for the first time, Button also pitted just in front of me and I lost some time there. We showed some progress in qualifying yesterday so it�s a shame that the race went this way. I am now looking forward to Hockenheim, my home Grand Prix, in two weeks� time.�
Christijan Albers, Midland (15th):
"We had some problems after the first pit stop that prevented me from using the gearbox properly. I lost first gear and was having problems shifting into other gears, which made me lose a lot of performance. That was really unfortunate, because I think that until that point, our performance was quite good. I think that had this problem not occurred, I might have been able to overtake Rosberg, because I had the speed. Still, even with this problem, I wasn't losing too much ground. So we have to look into it to make sure it doesn't happen again."
Franck Montagny, Super Aguri (16th):
�Well, from my point of view it's a good result because I finished the race. I had a good start and I could fight with the others. I cut the chicane only because I had been overtaken by Monteiro and I couldn't get into the chicane. So it was a good start in terms of being able to race with the other cars and after that I just tried to focus on the tyres and on the car and to give my maximum and see how it works. And we finished the race. The team and the engineers did a good job this weekend and I have to thank the Super Aguri and Aguri Suzuki for giving me the opportunity to race with them.�
Jenson Button, Honda (DNF):
"With the package that we had this weekend, we were doing a decent job today and were definitely going better in the race than in qualifying. I was up to 11th and catching up with Scott Speed in front of me and I think we could have got him. I felt a loss of power as I came onto the back straight and as I was changing up through the gears, the power just went. We'll have to see the data later to find out exactly what the problem was. It's really frustrating because although we were struggling in the first stint, we were much better in the second and third stints after the pit stops. The car is feeling reasonable and the balance is there, it's just a lack of overall speed. That comes from engine power and downforce, and that's what we're lacking at the moment, along with reliability. It's massively frustrating, not just for me, but the whole team who have worked so hard this weekend."
Mark Webber, Williams (DNF):
�Of course I�m massively disappointed because we could have scored a point here today. I was trying hard to stay with the quicker guys but we had some heat issues with the inside edge of the tyre and then the aerodynamics were affected as a result of the damage. We�re making it very hard work for ourselves at the moment, everyone is working so hard but we don�t have anything to show for it.�
Jarno Trulli, Toyota (DNF):
"That was a real pity because everything was running smoothly in the first stint. The car was quick and our Bridgestone tyres were great. Because I was on a two-stop strategy while everyone else was on three stops I was confident that I could have fought for the podium. Unfortunately after the first pit stop I felt a slight drop-off from the engine. Soon after that the brake pedal started getting longer and longer and it was too dangerous to continue so I had to come in. So again it was very unlucky and I'll add it to a long list of things that have happened this season. I've had some good races this year but points have been hard to find. But you can't blame the team because it is never the same problem twice. Our pace has been great all weekend so despite the difficulties we are definitely on the up. Step by step we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel."
Rubens Barrichello, Honda (DNF):
"It's difficult to know at the moment what the problem was but it looks like the engine because there was a lot of smoke and I lost all the power. We were hoping for a better pace in the race but the whole weekend has just not gone as planned which is very sad. I believe in this team and we will react to this. I am very concentrated and motivated, and I really believe that we will turn the corner. We have to keep our feet on the ground, keep our motivation high and keep working at it."
Tiago Monteiro, Midland (DNF):
"It's been a tough, tough weekend, to say the least. I've been fighting to find the right set-up for my car, and although we tried everything, it was one of those weekends where we just couldn't get the balance right. My engineers know me very well and we usually find solutions for these problems, but for some reason, we just couldn't sort it out this time. I guess that's racing, and sometimes it goes that way. Unfortunately, I got squeezed at the start of the race and got overtaken by two cars, so I was stuck behind Montagny for a few laps. I was fighting to overtake him, and then, suddenly, something happened at the rear of the car. I have no idea what it was, but the car snapped around completely at the entry to the first high-speed chicane and I went flying over the kerb very violently. That was the end of it. I lost hydraulic pressure and the car died. Now we have a test in Jerez, and we'll have to work hard to tune the set-up and get ready for Hockenheim."
Takuma Sato, Super Aguri (DNF):
�Obviously I'd like to say big thanks to the SA05! The car has done a great job since the beginning of the season, but this was not the end to the weekend that we wanted. I had a clutch problem on the formation lap and so at the start I really struggled to pull away. When I finally moved everyone was already in the distance, but I rapidly caught up with the group on the straight and I overtook one Midland into the hairpin! But then I couldn't select the gears and there was nothing else I could do. It is a great shame for the boys who have worked so hard. We split the strategy between Franck and me and I should have had a really strong package. I am very pleased for the team and for Franck that he had a fantastic race today.�[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ferrari's front-row start was not quite enough to prevent Fernando Alonso giving Renault second place in their home Grand Prix. Further down the order there were dramatic spins for Tiago Monteiro and Mark Webber. They and the other drivers explain events at Magny-Cours...
Michael Schumacher, Ferrari (1st):
�A fantastic result, even if in all honesty it was unexpected. We did not know how the race would pan out, especially as we had not been able to do many long runs over the previous days. For these ten points, I have to thank the great guys in the team and our exceptional technical partners, starting with Bridgestone. The whole package - car, engine, tyres - was excellent today. I got a good start and from then on I could run my own race. Now we have to keep this momentum going. The championship is far from over and these two points we have made up on our main rivals are very important. I hope we can soon make up more ground.�
Fernando Alonso, Renault (2nd):
�That was a long, tough race for me but in the circumstances, a perfect result. We went into the race with two possibilities on the strategy, and once we saw that Ferrari would be three-stopping then we knew it would be hard to pass them on the track. So we chose to rely on the consistent tyre performance, and make two stops. The car balance was consistent all the way through the race, and I pushed hard to make sure I could get ahead of Felipe in the final part of the race. Given where I started on the grid, I think second is everything I could have hoped for because we knew that Michael was a bit quicker this weekend - like in Imola and the Nuburgring. Back then, everybody thought that Michael would win all the races after two wins in a row, and we responded very strongly. Hopefully, we can do the same at Hockenheim in two weeks� time.�
Felipe Massa, Ferrari (3rd):
�I think this was a very good result for us, although of course I would have liked to keep second place. I was on a three stop strategy and Fernando was switched to a two stop race and that meant I was not able to fight with him on the track. I also had a lot of traffic in my second and third stints and this effectively spoilt our three stop strategy and cost me second place. But overall, sixteen points in the bag means we make up a bit of ground on our rivals in both championships. The 248 F1 and the Bridgestone tyres worked better than I expected, possibly because of the extra rubber which gradually got put down on the track.�
Ralf Schumacher, Toyota (4th):
"We can be very satisfied with what we achieved today. It's a pity that we had a problem with the wheel nut at the first pit stop because we could probably have made the podium but these things happen. It was also a pity that Jarno had his problem but apart from that it was a very good weekend. We expected the car to be competitive because that is the way it has looked ever since Friday practice. The race was good for us too - the car was quick and the Bridgestone tyres were very good too. Our tyres have had the edge all weekend and we made a very good choice aimed at this two-stop strategy for the race. Our package has improved at every race recently so we can now look forward to maintaining this kind of performance for the rest of the season."
Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren (5th):
"A disappointing race as the car was handling really well. We were lacking the speed to win, but I lost a few tenths in the second pit-stop which cost me fourth place today, so we definitely could have done better today. The car is steadily improving and we have further developments at the next test so we now look forward to the next race at Hockenheim in two weeks time, where hopefully we will score better in front of the Mercedes-Benz home crowd."
Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault (6th):
�This wasn�t a great race for me to be honest. The car was getting more and more difficult to drive during the race, with tyre graining in the second stint that meant I couldn�t build a gap over Ralf and Kimi to stay ahead, and then a lot of problems under braking in the final part of the race as well. We need to have a look at what happened, but you have to take the positive part from the results. I finished in the points, I am still third in the championship after a tough weekend and we completed a second race on the C spec engine without any problems. I am optimistic for the next races, and confident we can regain our advantage.�
Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren (7th):
"The car had the speed today and felt really good to drive. I feel I really could have scored more points if I had not lost position to Mark Webber at the start of the race. This meant that I lost a lot of time in the opening stint trying to pass him and when I eventually got passed during the pit stop I was behind a lot of traffic on different strategies. As a result following the first round of stops I was over 20 seconds behind Ralf Schumacher, so it was very difficult for me to improve on my position. I really enjoyed the race and I am pleased to have scored some points for the team and be one of the fastest of the Michelin runners."
Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber (8th):
�My car was okay, I scored a point and more was not possible today. Unusually for me, my start was only average. I didn�t gain any positions, but I didn�t lose any either. On the first lap I overtook David Coulthard in the hairpin, and that was important, as at the finish he was only a few seconds behind me. All in all my race was trouble free and I rarely got stuck in traffic, although I was wrongly shown blue flags for Pedro de la Rosa.�
David Coulthard, Red Bull (9th):
�That was pretty much the worst result we could get, having started from ninth on the grid. It�s very disappointing. We�re just the vultures of the paddock at the moment, picking up points when other people fall out. I enjoyed driving this weekend, and you always learn something as a team. We�re beginning to gel, as there have been a lot of new people, and I think we�re becoming one of the most organised teams in the pit lane. But that means nothing if you�re not quick enough to score points.�
Scott Speed, Toro Rosso (10th):
�This was one of the toughest races I have ever driven, because I was in so much pain throughout the race. I had a really good first lap battle with Rubens, which was actually a lot of fun. It was cool � an awesome fight! After the first pit stop, I was in so much pain it was difficult to concentrate. I went off the track at one point as I couldn�t concentrate on driving, braking, adjusting the traction control and deal with the pain all at the same time. But our pace was okay, the car performed well as we had done a good job setting it up.�
Jacques Villeneuve, BMW Sauber (11th):
�The beginning was exciting and I had to overtake Rubens Barrichello, but after that it was quite a boring race. The car was very good. When I came in for the pit stops the tyres were good and then for a few laps I needed to run them in, but by the end of the runs they were quick again. It was the right choice, we thought it was a big risk but, as we expected, once the track rubbered in it worked well. The only problem was my qualifying result.�
Christian Klien, Red Bull (12th):
�I had a problem at the start; I lost revs and dropped about two or three places, which was really disappointing. The race was very difficult in such hot conditions. My rear tyres were going off and I couldn�t drive in the slip-stream of other cars as my car�s temperature went a little too high. At the end of the race, the car felt better and I was able to make up five or six seconds on the BMW, but overall it�s been a disappointing weekend. A shame we haven�t been able to get any points here.�
Vitantonio Liuzzi, Toro Rosso (13th):
�To say the obvious, being at the back is not the best way to start a race, especially at a track like this where there are not too many chances to overtake. I don�t think having a V10 helped us. But the tyres and the car worked well.�
Nico Rosberg, Williams (14th):
�It was very hard for me today, first of all because I started from the back and then because the car was very difficult to drive. I was doing one qualifying lap after another, and I was on the limit all the time, but I just couldn�t drive any quicker. We were struggling with the tyres, and I was also unlucky with the pit stops. When we decided to stop for the first time, Button also pitted just in front of me and I lost some time there. We showed some progress in qualifying yesterday so it�s a shame that the race went this way. I am now looking forward to Hockenheim, my home Grand Prix, in two weeks� time.�
Christijan Albers, Midland (15th):
"We had some problems after the first pit stop that prevented me from using the gearbox properly. I lost first gear and was having problems shifting into other gears, which made me lose a lot of performance. That was really unfortunate, because I think that until that point, our performance was quite good. I think that had this problem not occurred, I might have been able to overtake Rosberg, because I had the speed. Still, even with this problem, I wasn't losing too much ground. So we have to look into it to make sure it doesn't happen again."
Franck Montagny, Super Aguri (16th):
�Well, from my point of view it's a good result because I finished the race. I had a good start and I could fight with the others. I cut the chicane only because I had been overtaken by Monteiro and I couldn't get into the chicane. So it was a good start in terms of being able to race with the other cars and after that I just tried to focus on the tyres and on the car and to give my maximum and see how it works. And we finished the race. The team and the engineers did a good job this weekend and I have to thank the Super Aguri and Aguri Suzuki for giving me the opportunity to race with them.�
Jenson Button, Honda (DNF):
"With the package that we had this weekend, we were doing a decent job today and were definitely going better in the race than in qualifying. I was up to 11th and catching up with Scott Speed in front of me and I think we could have got him. I felt a loss of power as I came onto the back straight and as I was changing up through the gears, the power just went. We'll have to see the data later to find out exactly what the problem was. It's really frustrating because although we were struggling in the first stint, we were much better in the second and third stints after the pit stops. The car is feeling reasonable and the balance is there, it's just a lack of overall speed. That comes from engine power and downforce, and that's what we're lacking at the moment, along with reliability. It's massively frustrating, not just for me, but the whole team who have worked so hard this weekend."
Mark Webber, Williams (DNF):
�Of course I�m massively disappointed because we could have scored a point here today. I was trying hard to stay with the quicker guys but we had some heat issues with the inside edge of the tyre and then the aerodynamics were affected as a result of the damage. We�re making it very hard work for ourselves at the moment, everyone is working so hard but we don�t have anything to show for it.�
Jarno Trulli, Toyota (DNF):
"That was a real pity because everything was running smoothly in the first stint. The car was quick and our Bridgestone tyres were great. Because I was on a two-stop strategy while everyone else was on three stops I was confident that I could have fought for the podium. Unfortunately after the first pit stop I felt a slight drop-off from the engine. Soon after that the brake pedal started getting longer and longer and it was too dangerous to continue so I had to come in. So again it was very unlucky and I'll add it to a long list of things that have happened this season. I've had some good races this year but points have been hard to find. But you can't blame the team because it is never the same problem twice. Our pace has been great all weekend so despite the difficulties we are definitely on the up. Step by step we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel."
Rubens Barrichello, Honda (DNF):
"It's difficult to know at the moment what the problem was but it looks like the engine because there was a lot of smoke and I lost all the power. We were hoping for a better pace in the race but the whole weekend has just not gone as planned which is very sad. I believe in this team and we will react to this. I am very concentrated and motivated, and I really believe that we will turn the corner. We have to keep our feet on the ground, keep our motivation high and keep working at it."
Tiago Monteiro, Midland (DNF):
"It's been a tough, tough weekend, to say the least. I've been fighting to find the right set-up for my car, and although we tried everything, it was one of those weekends where we just couldn't get the balance right. My engineers know me very well and we usually find solutions for these problems, but for some reason, we just couldn't sort it out this time. I guess that's racing, and sometimes it goes that way. Unfortunately, I got squeezed at the start of the race and got overtaken by two cars, so I was stuck behind Montagny for a few laps. I was fighting to overtake him, and then, suddenly, something happened at the rear of the car. I have no idea what it was, but the car snapped around completely at the entry to the first high-speed chicane and I went flying over the kerb very violently. That was the end of it. I lost hydraulic pressure and the car died. Now we have a test in Jerez, and we'll have to work hard to tune the set-up and get ready for Hockenheim."
Takuma Sato, Super Aguri (DNF):
�Obviously I'd like to say big thanks to the SA05! The car has done a great job since the beginning of the season, but this was not the end to the weekend that we wanted. I had a clutch problem on the formation lap and so at the start I really struggled to pull away. When I finally moved everyone was already in the distance, but I rapidly caught up with the group on the straight and I overtook one Midland into the hairpin! But then I couldn't select the gears and there was nothing else I could do. It is a great shame for the boys who have worked so hard. We split the strategy between Franck and me and I should have had a really strong package. I am very pleased for the team and for Franck that he had a fantastic race today.�[/QUOTE]
| ptclaus98 | 07-17-2006 12:15 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]I think Michaels definately coming back...[/QUOTE]
If he does, Kimi will have to take a 2nd seat. :(
If he does, Kimi will have to take a 2nd seat. :(
| REX8 | 07-17-2006 12:24 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]If he does, Kimi will have to take a 2nd seat. :([/QUOTE]
He won't drive there w/ Michael. I'm pretty sure MS is coming back and Kimi has signed with Renault.
He won't drive there w/ Michael. I'm pretty sure MS is coming back and Kimi has signed with Renault.
| Vampyr | 07-17-2006 12:28 PM |
first off.. my thoughts...
Why are Ferraris SO much faster?!
It's obvious that the car makes the driver...Massa used to never be a contention for consistent podium finishes. Rubens hasn't had a podium yet since leaving Ferarri.
Even Renault is better after picking up Ferrari's older car last year.
I know F1 is one of the most technologically advanced sporting events, but at some point the FIA needs to being back the old school racing of Formula 1 when you had to actually drive the car and you had to take your hand off the wheel to shift gears.
Maybe I've been watching too much of my 'Grand Prix' dvd movie.
Why are Ferraris SO much faster?!
It's obvious that the car makes the driver...Massa used to never be a contention for consistent podium finishes. Rubens hasn't had a podium yet since leaving Ferarri.
Even Renault is better after picking up Ferrari's older car last year.
I know F1 is one of the most technologically advanced sporting events, but at some point the FIA needs to being back the old school racing of Formula 1 when you had to actually drive the car and you had to take your hand off the wheel to shift gears.
Maybe I've been watching too much of my 'Grand Prix' dvd movie.
| StuBeck | 07-17-2006 12:43 PM |
Manual gear shift is not coming back and I don't htink they're going ot the ChampCar way of shifting, they're not the only ones running paddle shifters and they've been doing it for 16 years now. You still have to drive the car, I simply don't understand when people say this, driver aids will be going out of the window in 08 though with the standard ECU though.
| Ferg | 07-17-2006 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]Even Renault is better after picking up Ferrari's older car last year.[/QUOTE]
Not following you on this.
Not following you on this.
| brianmcd | 07-17-2006 12:57 PM |
So no more TC with the new ECU? Also, what is the champcar way of shifting? Sequential gearbox?
Thanks,
Brian
Thanks,
Brian
| ptclaus98 | 07-17-2006 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]He won't drive there w/ Michael. I'm pretty sure MS is coming back and Kimi has signed with Renault.[/QUOTE]
Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.
Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.
| enduroshark | 07-17-2006 01:45 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that lasts until the other driver is ahead of you on points...
Yeah, that lasts until the other driver is ahead of you on points...
| MattDell | 07-17-2006 01:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]Maybe I've been watching too much of my 'Grand Prix' dvd movie.[/QUOTE]
Bought that last night. Can't wait to watch it! :D
Bought that last night. Can't wait to watch it! :D
| Bonzo | 07-17-2006 02:42 PM |
Champcar is sequetial shifting.
Champcar also does not have power steering. Watch an in car of Champ vs F1. Champcar drivers work there butts off.
Champcar also does not have power steering. Watch an in car of Champ vs F1. Champcar drivers work there butts off.
| REX8 | 07-17-2006 02:44 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what that means...but Kimi will have the bigger paycheck and be expected to perform better...
I guess his color camera ontop of the car will be different...but I can't imagine much more...
I guess Fisi gets first dibs at Flav's leftover women, while Kimi is 3rd in line??? :furious:
I'm not sure what that means...but Kimi will have the bigger paycheck and be expected to perform better...
I guess his color camera ontop of the car will be different...but I can't imagine much more...
I guess Fisi gets first dibs at Flav's leftover women, while Kimi is 3rd in line??? :furious:
| REX8 | 07-17-2006 02:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]Champcar is sequetial shifting.
Champcar also does not have power steering. Watch an in car of Champ vs F1. Champcar drivers work there butts off.[/QUOTE]
That they do...
I enjoy watching it though...lots of passing too...
God I hope JPM goes open wheel after the reunification...
Champcar also does not have power steering. Watch an in car of Champ vs F1. Champcar drivers work there butts off.[/QUOTE]
That they do...
I enjoy watching it though...lots of passing too...
God I hope JPM goes open wheel after the reunification...
| ptclaus98 | 07-17-2006 03:22 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]I'm not sure what that means...but Kimi will have the bigger paycheck and be expected to perform better...
I guess his color camera ontop of the car will be different...but I can't imagine much more...
I guess Fisi gets first dibs at Flav's leftover women, while Kimi is 3rd in line??? :furious:[/QUOTE]
Who's the new one?
She's boneriffic. :banana:
I guess his color camera ontop of the car will be different...but I can't imagine much more...
I guess Fisi gets first dibs at Flav's leftover women, while Kimi is 3rd in line??? :furious:[/QUOTE]
Who's the new one?
She's boneriffic. :banana:
| KAX | 07-17-2006 03:35 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg][QUOTE=Vampyr]
Even Renault is better after picking up Ferrari's older car last year.[/QUOTE]Not following you on this.[/QUOTE]
nor am i.
Even Renault is better after picking up Ferrari's older car last year.[/QUOTE]Not following you on this.[/QUOTE]
nor am i.
| brianmcd | 07-17-2006 03:48 PM |
51 points in pick6 for me. woo woo.
| StuBeck | 07-17-2006 06:38 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.[/QUOTE]
No he isn't. He's there so they have an idea what is wrong with the car since Heikki is going to be driving for another team next year.
No he isn't. He's there so they have an idea what is wrong with the car since Heikki is going to be driving for another team next year.
| KAX | 07-17-2006 07:34 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]No he isn't. He's there so they have an idea what is wrong with the car since Heikki is going to be driving for another team next year.[/QUOTE]
correct for the most part (no idea on the heikki part). saying fisi is number 1 while kimi would be 2 would be like saying JPM would have been number 1 while alonso was number 2 at mclaren, if JPM had stayed.
correct for the most part (no idea on the heikki part). saying fisi is number 1 while kimi would be 2 would be like saying JPM would have been number 1 while alonso was number 2 at mclaren, if JPM had stayed.
| ptclaus98 | 07-17-2006 08:08 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]correct for the most part (no idea on the heikki part). saying fisi is number 1 while kimi would be 2 would be like saying JPM would have been number 1 while alonso was number 2 at mclaren, if JPM had stayed.[/QUOTE]
I'm going by the guys on Speed's coverage.
They could be entirely wrong though.
[QUOTE]Who's the new one?
She's boneriffic. [/QUOTE]
I'm still waiting. :lol:
I'm going by the guys on Speed's coverage.
They could be entirely wrong though.
[QUOTE]Who's the new one?
She's boneriffic. [/QUOTE]
I'm still waiting. :lol:
| StuBeck | 07-17-2006 08:11 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]correct for the most part (no idea on the heikki part). saying fisi is number 1 while kimi would be 2 would be like saying JPM would have been number 1 while alonso was number 2 at mclaren, if JPM had stayed.[/QUOTE]
Well there are two ways of looking at it, the teams literal number one or the driver they prefer. Like Barrichello is "number 1" at Honda, but they still (at least publically) support Button more because he's been at the team longer.
Well there are two ways of looking at it, the teams literal number one or the driver they prefer. Like Barrichello is "number 1" at Honda, but they still (at least publically) support Button more because he's been at the team longer.
| KAX | 07-17-2006 09:15 PM |
button is the produgal son of honda though. they seem to think hes so good, its a little harder decision between those two because neither have showed much in their careers.
i guess it would be similar at renault considering they wouldnt really be looking for a champion to start with, but a replacement for one, so kimi isnt really high on their list, hed just be filling a gap so to speak. alonso will definitely be number 1 at mclaren (possibly even if kimi stayed) because they wanted a champion and they know he is that.
i guess it would be similar at renault considering they wouldnt really be looking for a champion to start with, but a replacement for one, so kimi isnt really high on their list, hed just be filling a gap so to speak. alonso will definitely be number 1 at mclaren (possibly even if kimi stayed) because they wanted a champion and they know he is that.
| bitterWRX | 07-17-2006 09:59 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]button is the produgal son of honda though. they seem to think hes so good, its a little harder decision between those two because neither have showed much in their careers.
[/QUOTE]
Neither have shown much in their careers?? Barrichello has had quite a career. Granted he has been overshadowed by Schumi, that doesn't mean he had nothing to show for. I think Barrichello's record is pretty solid. If you asked me, I think Button knows he can't measure up to Barrichello and stepped down from the number 1 seat.
[/QUOTE]
Neither have shown much in their careers?? Barrichello has had quite a career. Granted he has been overshadowed by Schumi, that doesn't mean he had nothing to show for. I think Barrichello's record is pretty solid. If you asked me, I think Button knows he can't measure up to Barrichello and stepped down from the number 1 seat.
| KAX | 07-17-2006 10:03 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]Neither have shown much in their careers?? Barrichello has had quite a career. Granted he has been overshadowed by Schumi, that doesn't mean he had nothing to show for. I think Barrichello's record is pretty solid. If you asked me, I think Button knows he can't measure up to Barrichello and stepped down from the number 1 seat.[/QUOTE]
i knew someone was gunna flame me for that :p . i know hes had a strong career, but nothing amazing, kinda like coulthard and similar. a decent career but nothing inspiring.
i knew someone was gunna flame me for that :p . i know hes had a strong career, but nothing amazing, kinda like coulthard and similar. a decent career but nothing inspiring.
| meebs | 07-17-2006 10:29 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]I think Michaels definately coming back...[/QUOTE]
It sure seems like it to me too. Good thing too, my Maca hat is so sun-faded from the Hakkinen days...guess my new one will be blue and yellow. :)
It sure seems like it to me too. Good thing too, my Maca hat is so sun-faded from the Hakkinen days...guess my new one will be blue and yellow. :)
| KAX | 07-17-2006 10:39 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs]Good thing too, my Maca hat is so sun-faded from the Hakkinen days...guess my new one will be blue and yellow. :)[/QUOTE]
im still torn on that decision. whether or not to stay a mclaren fan, or follow kimi. i cant stand alonso, but i cant stand briatore either, together they make for a great team to hate, but seperated its awful. If hamilton gets the mclaren drive, i might stick with him.
im still torn on that decision. whether or not to stay a mclaren fan, or follow kimi. i cant stand alonso, but i cant stand briatore either, together they make for a great team to hate, but seperated its awful. If hamilton gets the mclaren drive, i might stick with him.
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 12:59 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]I thought that was a great race! Lot's of passing/overtaking and no one crashed on the first lap... actually, no one crashed at all![/QUOTE]There were no crashes because Juan Pablo Montoya was sitting at home!
:lol: :D
:lol: :D
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 01:17 AM |
The simple answer...
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[QUOTE=Vampyr]Why are Ferraris SO much faster?![/QUOTE]Bridgestone has competitive tires again.
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 01:35 AM |
Let me check my watch to see what year it is!
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[QUOTE=Vampyr]first off.. my thoughts... the FIA needs to being back the old school racing of Formula 1...
<snipped out some ridiculous ideas>
Maybe I've been watching too much of my 'Grand Prix' dvd movie.[/QUOTE]Yes! Yes, you have been watching too much of 'Grand Prix'. That is a very good movie about a great time in racing, [b]but[/b] it was released in 1966! It is now 2006! We're not going back to hand-crank starters! Get used to it!
;-)
<snipped out some ridiculous ideas>
Maybe I've been watching too much of my 'Grand Prix' dvd movie.[/QUOTE]Yes! Yes, you have been watching too much of 'Grand Prix'. That is a very good movie about a great time in racing, [b]but[/b] it was released in 1966! It is now 2006! We're not going back to hand-crank starters! Get used to it!
;-)
| bitterWRX | 07-18-2006 03:19 AM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]Bridgestone has competitive tires again.[/QUOTE]
And a killer driver.
And a killer driver.
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 05:26 AM |
What does it really mean to be the #2 driver?
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[QUOTE=REX8](Kimi) won't drive there w/ Michael. I'm pretty sure MS is coming back and Kimi has signed with Renault.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ptclaus98]Either way he'll have to take a second seat. Fisi is No.1 at Renault.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=enduroshark]Yeah, that lasts until the other driver is ahead of you on points...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ptclaus98]I'm going by the guys on Speed's coverage.
They could be entirely wrong though.[/QUOTE]Currently, there are two definitions of the number one driver in F1:[list][*][b][u]FIA car numbers[/u][/b]To assist fans in distinquishing between drivers on the same team, we have the team's "first car" with a red camera on top, the "second car" has a black camera, and the "third car" has a yellow camera.
Currently, the driver on the team who scored more points in the previous season is in the "first car" of each team.
In 2005, Ralf (45 points) scored more than Jarno (43 points), and Rubens (38 points) scored more than Jenson (37 points).
[*][b][u]Team orders[/u][/b]AFAIK, Ferrari is the only team whose primary goal is to win the drivers championship. Their secondary aim is to win the constructors championship.
In contrast, the primary aim of the other leading teams in the paddock is to win the constructors championship... Drivers for these other teams (McLaren, Williams, etc.), are free to race their team-mates for the win, unlike @ Ferrari. Because theoretically, these teams only care that their drivers finish 1 & 2, but they don't care which driver wins.
But for a team such as Ferrari, whose primary focus is to win the drivers championship, they must designate a lead driver at the beginning of the season, because every point counts.[/list]
Niki Lauda tells a funny story about how Ferrari designates their #1 driver in one of his autobiographies. As some of you may know, in 1976, he was in his 3rd season driving for Ferrari. He was defending world champion, and he was leading the championship again for Ferrari, when he crashed and burned at the 1976 German GP, (held for the last time at the old, full Nurburgring circuit). He was badly burned, and nearly died. So he missed the following two races while he recovered, and then raced 5 weeks later at Monza, where he finished 4th in a wet race. Then James Hunt won the next two races in North America, while Niki took no points @ Canada due to failed suspension, and 3rd @ the US GP. The last race of the season, the Japanese GP @ Mount Fuji, Lauda still had a 3 point lead over James Hunt. But it rained cats and dogs continously all weekend, including race day. Niki joined 3 other drivers, and withdrew from the race. James Hunt finished 3rd, and he won the drivers championship by 1 point over Lauda.
So Lauda goes back to Italy, to Ferrari. Enzo had signed a big, fat contract w/Lauda earlier in the season, prior to the big crash. But now, the Italian press, and tifosi, are calling Lauda yellow, chicken, washed up, and of course, Lauda is not italian. So Enzo tells Lauda he wants him to be the team-manager. Lauda says eff-you, I've got a big offer from McLaren, and I'll win the '77 championship @ McLaren (this was a lie). So Enzo discusses this w/team leaders, he comes back to Lauda and says, OK you can drive for me in '77, but you will be the #2 driver to Carlos Reutemann. So Lauda says yes, because he knows he can kick Reutemann's butt. So the '77 season starts, and by the 3rd race, Lauda establishes himself as the #1 driver at Ferrari. He then went on to win his 2nd world championship in for Ferrari '77.
Point being, that as enduroshark mentioned previously, it is the driver leading in points he will end up being #1 driver @ Ferrari.
But my point is that only Ferrari pursues the drivers championship as a primary objective, and therefore, logically have team orders to support the number 1 driver.
For Kimi, as REX8 said, it is a good bet that he will not go to Ferrari if Michael is there, because that team is built around Schumacher, and Schumacher is one of the few that can run w/Kimi.
Therefore, it would make sense for Kimi to go to Renault, where he will kick Giancarlo's butt, or stay @ McLaren, if they have the stronger car, and go head to head on an even basis against Alonso.
They could be entirely wrong though.[/QUOTE]Currently, there are two definitions of the number one driver in F1:[list][*][b][u]FIA car numbers[/u][/b]To assist fans in distinquishing between drivers on the same team, we have the team's "first car" with a red camera on top, the "second car" has a black camera, and the "third car" has a yellow camera.
Currently, the driver on the team who scored more points in the previous season is in the "first car" of each team.
In 2005, Ralf (45 points) scored more than Jarno (43 points), and Rubens (38 points) scored more than Jenson (37 points).
[*][b][u]Team orders[/u][/b]AFAIK, Ferrari is the only team whose primary goal is to win the drivers championship. Their secondary aim is to win the constructors championship.
In contrast, the primary aim of the other leading teams in the paddock is to win the constructors championship... Drivers for these other teams (McLaren, Williams, etc.), are free to race their team-mates for the win, unlike @ Ferrari. Because theoretically, these teams only care that their drivers finish 1 & 2, but they don't care which driver wins.
But for a team such as Ferrari, whose primary focus is to win the drivers championship, they must designate a lead driver at the beginning of the season, because every point counts.[/list]
Niki Lauda tells a funny story about how Ferrari designates their #1 driver in one of his autobiographies. As some of you may know, in 1976, he was in his 3rd season driving for Ferrari. He was defending world champion, and he was leading the championship again for Ferrari, when he crashed and burned at the 1976 German GP, (held for the last time at the old, full Nurburgring circuit). He was badly burned, and nearly died. So he missed the following two races while he recovered, and then raced 5 weeks later at Monza, where he finished 4th in a wet race. Then James Hunt won the next two races in North America, while Niki took no points @ Canada due to failed suspension, and 3rd @ the US GP. The last race of the season, the Japanese GP @ Mount Fuji, Lauda still had a 3 point lead over James Hunt. But it rained cats and dogs continously all weekend, including race day. Niki joined 3 other drivers, and withdrew from the race. James Hunt finished 3rd, and he won the drivers championship by 1 point over Lauda.
So Lauda goes back to Italy, to Ferrari. Enzo had signed a big, fat contract w/Lauda earlier in the season, prior to the big crash. But now, the Italian press, and tifosi, are calling Lauda yellow, chicken, washed up, and of course, Lauda is not italian. So Enzo tells Lauda he wants him to be the team-manager. Lauda says eff-you, I've got a big offer from McLaren, and I'll win the '77 championship @ McLaren (this was a lie). So Enzo discusses this w/team leaders, he comes back to Lauda and says, OK you can drive for me in '77, but you will be the #2 driver to Carlos Reutemann. So Lauda says yes, because he knows he can kick Reutemann's butt. So the '77 season starts, and by the 3rd race, Lauda establishes himself as the #1 driver at Ferrari. He then went on to win his 2nd world championship in for Ferrari '77.
Point being, that as enduroshark mentioned previously, it is the driver leading in points he will end up being #1 driver @ Ferrari.
But my point is that only Ferrari pursues the drivers championship as a primary objective, and therefore, logically have team orders to support the number 1 driver.
For Kimi, as REX8 said, it is a good bet that he will not go to Ferrari if Michael is there, because that team is built around Schumacher, and Schumacher is one of the few that can run w/Kimi.
Therefore, it would make sense for Kimi to go to Renault, where he will kick Giancarlo's butt, or stay @ McLaren, if they have the stronger car, and go head to head on an even basis against Alonso.
| wvallwheeldrive | 07-18-2006 09:12 AM |
I think Kimi should go to Ferrari regardless of MS. Be #2 driver for one maybe 2 years behind teh greatest F1 driver of my life then when MS retires your allready acostu to the car and no the teams focus is you winning a WDC
| bitterWRX | 07-18-2006 12:43 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive]I think Kimi should go to Ferrari regardless of MS. Be #2 driver for one maybe 2 years behind teh greatest F1 driver of my life then when MS retires your allready acostu to the car and no the teams focus is you winning a WDC[/QUOTE]
True but when you're a race car driver, you don't want to just "wait" around until you get a better seat. You want to satisfy your sponsors and win. That maybe impossible with Schumi around. As someone mentinoed earlier, the team is built around Schumi. Why do you think Barrichello left the best team in F1 for Honda? And seeing as Schumi is not even close to being washed up, Schumi is going to be at Ferrari for a while.
True but when you're a race car driver, you don't want to just "wait" around until you get a better seat. You want to satisfy your sponsors and win. That maybe impossible with Schumi around. As someone mentinoed earlier, the team is built around Schumi. Why do you think Barrichello left the best team in F1 for Honda? And seeing as Schumi is not even close to being washed up, Schumi is going to be at Ferrari for a while.
| StuBeck | 07-18-2006 01:37 PM |
I don't think going to Ferrari as a number 2 is a good thing at all. It is impossible at Ferrari to win while Schumacher is there and has a chance. He would also probably damage his career since the team is around Schumacher so much. I doubt Schumacher would approve the decision either, although it might force him into retirement. Schumacher isn't washed up, but I do believe he wants to retire soon while he is still on top.
| Ferg | 07-18-2006 01:50 PM |
Simply winning races isn't going to do it for Raikkonnen, not at this point.
The man wants to win Championships, the sooner the better.
As long as Schumacher is at Ferrari, Kimi won't go there. No top driver would.
The man wants to win Championships, the sooner the better.
As long as Schumacher is at Ferrari, Kimi won't go there. No top driver would.
| KAX | 07-18-2006 04:24 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]AFAIK, Ferrari is the only team whose primary goal is to win the drivers championship. Their secondary aim is to win the constructors championship.[/QUOTE]
According to Briatore, Renault just wants the driver championship to.
although i think that was total BS to try and save face in the event mclaren won.
According to Briatore, Renault just wants the driver championship to.
although i think that was total BS to try and save face in the event mclaren won.
| StuBeck | 07-18-2006 04:53 PM |
That was simply to save face since they thought mcLaren would win. Renault is a car company so they awnt the constructors championship. Ferrari is also a constructor...but one which already has a huge following based simply on their name. I think once Schumacher leaves they will go back to the idea of wanting the constructors more than drivers.
| ArtGecko | 07-18-2006 05:46 PM |
[CODE]F1P6 Results
for group impreza.net
for the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa R.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa N.Heidfeld
13. 60 405 Alex Hofstetter F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa J.Villeneuve N.Heidfeld
119. 52 451 Matt Doyle M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen N.Heidfeld M.Webber J.Button
161. 51 51 Brian Mcdaniel F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella P.Rosa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
261. 49 429 Michael Fiyak F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa N.Heidfeld J.Villeneuve P.Rosa
49 426 Mika Hyytiainen M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen P.Rosa G.Fisichella F.Massa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
49 403 Tommy Mcwilliams F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen P.Rosa J.Button F.Massa N.Heidfeld
49 425 David Pio F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen J.Trulli P.Rosa N.Rosberg
300. 48 406 Ony Anglade M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Massa N.Rosberg J.Button N.Heidfeld
48 407 Steve Morris F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella J.Villeneuve J.Button N.Heidfeld
405. 46 447 Scott Ripley F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella R.Barrichello J.Button P.Rosa
486. 45 354 Jim Rider F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa J.Button R.Barrichello N.Heidfeld
631. 43 419 Gary Lancaster F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa P.Rosa J.Trulli J.Button
713. 42 437 Andrew Sekellick F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen J.Button D.Coulthard M.Webber
891. 41 360 Ken March F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa N.Heidfeld J.Button J.Trulli
41 373 Andrew Parente F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella R.Schumacher F.Massa R.Barrichello N.Rosberg
934. 40 286 Sean Ford F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa R.Barrichello G.Fisichella J.Button D.Coulthard
1010. 39 412 Johann Joo F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen M.Webber J.Button R.Barrichello
39 388 William Truett F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen R.Barrichello J.Button D.Coulthard
1102. 38 318 Brian Sullivan F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen M.Webber G.Fisichella P.Rosa C.Klien N.Rosberg
1219. 37 352 Stuart Becktell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa G.Fisichella F.Massa R.Barrichello D.Coulthard
1258. 36 399 Matt Dell F.Alonso G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen J.Trulli R.Barrichello J.Button
1395. 34 423 Rupert Berrington F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa D.Coulthard R.Schumacher J.Villeneuve
34 414 Matt Phelps F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Massa J.Button D.Coulthard J.Villeneuve
1498. 33 271 Ken Addison K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya G.Fisichella F.Massa J.Villeneuve M.Webber
1543. 32 290 David Ferguson F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa J.Trulli N.Rosberg G.Fisichella J.Villeneuve
32 382 Peter Lapin K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella J.Button N.Heidfeld R.Barrichello J.Trulli
1634. 30 376 Chris Hartman F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya G.Fisichella J.Trulli J.Button D.Coulthard
1689. 28 420 Lord Bass F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella J.Button D.Coulthard J.Montoya N.Rosberg[/CODE]
[CODE]F1P6 Standings
for group impreza.net
after the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
57. 451 Matt Doyle
84. 447 Scott Ripley
189. 437 Andrew Sekellick
329. 429 Michael Fiyak
384. 426 Mika Hyytiainen
407. 425 David Pio
449. 423 Rupert Berrington
513. 420 Lord Bass
533. 419 Gary Lancaster
639. 414 Matt Phelps
692. 412 Johann Joo
807. 407 Steve Morris
825. 406 Ony Anglade
842. 405 Alex Hofstetter
890. 403 Tommy Mcwilliams
968. 399 Matt Dell
1164. 388 William Truett
1263. 382 Peter Lapin
1312. 378 Andy Zi
1331. 376 Chris Hartman
1368. 373 Andrew Parente
1488. 360 Ken March
1550. 354 Jim Rider
1573. 352 Stuart Becktell
1688. 334 Jody Bertoli
334 Jeff Preston
1758. 318 Brian Sullivan
1836. 292 Paul Chavez
1843. 290 David Ferguson
1851. 286 Sean Ford
1885. 271 Ken Addison
2089. 119 Brad Erdman
2105. 113 James Alberts
2140. 96 Christopher Mcguire
2291. 51 Brian Mcdaniel[/CODE]
for group impreza.net
for the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa R.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa N.Heidfeld
13. 60 405 Alex Hofstetter F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa J.Villeneuve N.Heidfeld
119. 52 451 Matt Doyle M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen N.Heidfeld M.Webber J.Button
161. 51 51 Brian Mcdaniel F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella P.Rosa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
261. 49 429 Michael Fiyak F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa N.Heidfeld J.Villeneuve P.Rosa
49 426 Mika Hyytiainen M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen P.Rosa G.Fisichella F.Massa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
49 403 Tommy Mcwilliams F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen P.Rosa J.Button F.Massa N.Heidfeld
49 425 David Pio F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen J.Trulli P.Rosa N.Rosberg
300. 48 406 Ony Anglade M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Massa N.Rosberg J.Button N.Heidfeld
48 407 Steve Morris F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella J.Villeneuve J.Button N.Heidfeld
405. 46 447 Scott Ripley F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella R.Barrichello J.Button P.Rosa
486. 45 354 Jim Rider F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa J.Button R.Barrichello N.Heidfeld
631. 43 419 Gary Lancaster F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa P.Rosa J.Trulli J.Button
713. 42 437 Andrew Sekellick F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen J.Button D.Coulthard M.Webber
891. 41 360 Ken March F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen F.Massa N.Heidfeld J.Button J.Trulli
41 373 Andrew Parente F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella R.Schumacher F.Massa R.Barrichello N.Rosberg
934. 40 286 Sean Ford F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa R.Barrichello G.Fisichella J.Button D.Coulthard
1010. 39 412 Johann Joo F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen M.Webber J.Button R.Barrichello
39 388 William Truett F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella F.Massa K.Raikkonen R.Barrichello J.Button D.Coulthard
1102. 38 318 Brian Sullivan F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen M.Webber G.Fisichella P.Rosa C.Klien N.Rosberg
1219. 37 352 Stuart Becktell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa G.Fisichella F.Massa R.Barrichello D.Coulthard
1258. 36 399 Matt Dell F.Alonso G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen J.Trulli R.Barrichello J.Button
1395. 34 423 Rupert Berrington F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa D.Coulthard R.Schumacher J.Villeneuve
34 414 Matt Phelps F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Massa J.Button D.Coulthard J.Villeneuve
1498. 33 271 Ken Addison K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya G.Fisichella F.Massa J.Villeneuve M.Webber
1543. 32 290 David Ferguson F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher P.Rosa J.Trulli N.Rosberg G.Fisichella J.Villeneuve
32 382 Peter Lapin K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella J.Button N.Heidfeld R.Barrichello J.Trulli
1634. 30 376 Chris Hartman F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya G.Fisichella J.Trulli J.Button D.Coulthard
1689. 28 420 Lord Bass F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella J.Button D.Coulthard J.Montoya N.Rosberg[/CODE]
[CODE]F1P6 Standings
for group impreza.net
after the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
57. 451 Matt Doyle
84. 447 Scott Ripley
189. 437 Andrew Sekellick
329. 429 Michael Fiyak
384. 426 Mika Hyytiainen
407. 425 David Pio
449. 423 Rupert Berrington
513. 420 Lord Bass
533. 419 Gary Lancaster
639. 414 Matt Phelps
692. 412 Johann Joo
807. 407 Steve Morris
825. 406 Ony Anglade
842. 405 Alex Hofstetter
890. 403 Tommy Mcwilliams
968. 399 Matt Dell
1164. 388 William Truett
1263. 382 Peter Lapin
1312. 378 Andy Zi
1331. 376 Chris Hartman
1368. 373 Andrew Parente
1488. 360 Ken March
1550. 354 Jim Rider
1573. 352 Stuart Becktell
1688. 334 Jody Bertoli
334 Jeff Preston
1758. 318 Brian Sullivan
1836. 292 Paul Chavez
1843. 290 David Ferguson
1851. 286 Sean Ford
1885. 271 Ken Addison
2089. 119 Brad Erdman
2105. 113 James Alberts
2140. 96 Christopher Mcguire
2291. 51 Brian Mcdaniel[/CODE]
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 10:51 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]...Ferrari is also a constructor...but one which already has a huge following based simply on their name. I think once Schumacher leaves they will go back to the idea of wanting the constructors more than drivers.[/QUOTE]Ferrari's primary objective of pursuing the drivers championship is not something new with Schumacher... That has been the philosophy driving that team for many decades. So when Michael leaves Ferrari, that is not likely to change.
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2006 10:57 PM |
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Congrats to Brian Mcdaniel, who, on his first time out, podiums on Impreza.net F1P6! Inspired choice of Ralfie to finish in the points, Brian! Thanks for joining our team!
[QUOTE=ArtGecko][CODE]F1P6 Results
for group impreza.net
for the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa R.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa N.Heidfeld
13. 60 405 Alex Hofstetter F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa J.Villeneuve N.Heidfeld
119. 52 451 Matt Doyle M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen N.Heidfeld M.Webber J.Button
161. 51 51 Brian Mcdaniel F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella P.Rosa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
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[QUOTE=ArtGecko][CODE]F1P6 Results
for group impreza.net
for the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa R.Schumacher K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa N.Heidfeld
13. 60 405 Alex Hofstetter F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella P.Rosa J.Villeneuve N.Heidfeld
119. 52 451 Matt Doyle M.Schumacher F.Alonso F.Massa G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen N.Heidfeld M.Webber J.Button
161. 51 51 Brian Mcdaniel F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa G.Fisichella P.Rosa R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
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| Dr. WOT | 07-19-2006 09:06 AM |
BTW, my predictions were completely wrong, and I couldn't be more pleased about it! :)
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