| finnRex | 08-01-2006 09:56 PM |
Formula 1, Round 13: Hungary
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So what will it be this weekend, boys? Is Michael going to continue his dominance? Will Renault jump back now that they can use their dampners? Will Kimi ever get a freakin' break?...engines/hydraulic failures don't count! :p Here's my picks for Hungary.
1. M.Schumacher
2. F.Massa
3. F.Alonso
4. K.Raikkonen
5. G.Fisichella
6. J.Button
7. J.Villeneuve(he's out this race, is it too late to change it??)
8. D.Coulthard
Mika
1. M.Schumacher
2. F.Massa
3. F.Alonso
4. K.Raikkonen
5. G.Fisichella
6. J.Button
7. J.Villeneuve(he's out this race, is it too late to change it??)
8. D.Coulthard
Mika
| XenoWolf | 08-01-2006 09:59 PM |
Jpm45
| f1vlad | 08-01-2006 10:10 PM |
I am rooting for Kubica! Very excited!
| NYEJ25 | 08-01-2006 10:18 PM |
Trulli in the top three. I have been saying it all year, but now I really think it will happen. The Toyota has been looking really good as of late.
| enduroshark | 08-02-2006 09:30 AM |
This is one of my favorite GP's. I know most dislike the track, but I love it. We've seen great driver displays here in the past and hopefully this year we will see some too.
Mika, you still have time to change your picks...
Mika, you still have time to change your picks...
| artkevin | 08-02-2006 09:51 AM |
It's like Monaco without the walls and the charm.
| meebs | 08-02-2006 10:27 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]It's like Monaco without the walls and the charm.[/QUOTE]
I guess Tiago and I are the only one's who like this track. :) Maybe it's the fond memories of Hill almost winning in the Arrows back in 97. I wish I still had that on tape.
I guess Tiago and I are the only one's who like this track. :) Maybe it's the fond memories of Hill almost winning in the Arrows back in 97. I wish I still had that on tape.
| rallymaniac | 08-02-2006 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=f1vlad]I am rooting for Kubica! Very excited![/QUOTE]
+1 i really hope he gets some good 1st GP :banana:
+1 i really hope he gets some good 1st GP :banana:
| snow111 | 08-02-2006 12:22 PM |
[QUOTE=f1vlad]I am rooting for Kubica! Very excited![/QUOTE]
Do you think this is the end for JV?
Do you think this is the end for JV?
| StuBeck | 08-02-2006 01:29 PM |
I don't think its the end for JV, he is still a good marketing person and is probably fairly cheap since he wants to stay. He is also doing well compraed to Heidfeld. I like the track, but its not my favorite.
| artkevin | 08-02-2006 01:34 PM |
I agree with Stu.
I hope he can at least finsih out the season but it looks like he opted out from this weekend, it wasn't BMW asking him not to race. It looks like they are happy with his services over the year. I doubt he will be with them next year but he has shown that if you give him the car he can still do relatively well in F1.
I hope he can at least finsih out the season but it looks like he opted out from this weekend, it wasn't BMW asking him not to race. It looks like they are happy with his services over the year. I doubt he will be with them next year but he has shown that if you give him the car he can still do relatively well in F1.
| f1vlad | 08-02-2006 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE=snow111]Do you think this is the end for JV?[/QUOTE]
[indent]From f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/:
[i]Although BMW carefully worded its press statement on Tuesday, manager Marcin Czachorski suggested to dpa in an interview that 35-year-old Villeneuve will not be returning to the race berth.[/i]
[/indent]However, I hope it is not the end of JV, because I kind of like him.
[indent]From f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/:
[i]Although BMW carefully worded its press statement on Tuesday, manager Marcin Czachorski suggested to dpa in an interview that 35-year-old Villeneuve will not be returning to the race berth.[/i]
[/indent]However, I hope it is not the end of JV, because I kind of like him.
| meebs | 08-02-2006 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE=f1vlad][indent]From f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/:
[i]Although BMW carefully worded its press statement on Tuesday, manager Marcin Czachorski suggested to dpa in an interview that 35-year-old Villeneuve will not be returning to the race berth.[/i]
[/indent]However, I hope it is not the end of JV, because I kind of like him.[/QUOTE]
Same here... but they way JV is so openly critical about the car, I wouldn't be suprised if he went bye bye again.
[i]Although BMW carefully worded its press statement on Tuesday, manager Marcin Czachorski suggested to dpa in an interview that 35-year-old Villeneuve will not be returning to the race berth.[/i]
[/indent]However, I hope it is not the end of JV, because I kind of like him.[/QUOTE]
Same here... but they way JV is so openly critical about the car, I wouldn't be suprised if he went bye bye again.
| ptclaus98 | 08-02-2006 05:58 PM |
Wow, I've missed alot!:eek:
| StuBeck | 08-02-2006 06:54 PM |
He hasn't been critical of the car lately since the cars been good. He's also been faster than Heidfeld for most of the season too. I don't think they're going to keep him out of the car, but everything I've thought this year has been wrong so he's probably never going to touch ANY car for the rest of his life.
| John__Gotti | 08-03-2006 01:37 AM |
I would love to see JV stay on at BMW but I'm thinking he is going to be passed on for a younger driver. He has been out pacing Heinfeld quite abit this year when the car doesn't grenade on him. Was a great driver that went to a new team (BAR) for lots of $$$$ and everything came apart in his career. Well enough with my rant and hopefully I will actually get to watch F1 this week since I have missed the last 3 races. :( . Here is hoping Kimi can get himself another podium and possibly anyone putting a stop to the recent Ferrari dominance.
| enduroshark | 08-03-2006 09:43 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]He hasn't been critical of the car lately since the cars been good. He's also been faster than Heidfeld for most of the season too. I don't think they're going to keep him out of the car, but everything I've thought this year has been wrong so he's probably never going to touch ANY car for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you watched a different channel than I did, but the last 2 races, JV has definitely had comments about the car/tires.
Last weekend, I clearly remember him stating that they needed some new bits if they were to go faster and that this is as fast as the car would go (no matter who was driving).
Maybe you watched a different channel than I did, but the last 2 races, JV has definitely had comments about the car/tires.
Last weekend, I clearly remember him stating that they needed some new bits if they were to go faster and that this is as fast as the car would go (no matter who was driving).
| StuBeck | 08-03-2006 11:53 AM |
He's made comments about the tyres, but everyone has because Michelin has been bad the last few weeks. I know he said he was going as fast as the car would go, but that is not a negative. Him saying "the car is crap" is a negative, but him stating that he's going as fast as it will go isn't.
| Ferg | 08-03-2006 12:11 PM |
The mass damper row looks set to continue into this weekend and beyond...
[QUOTE]Toro Rosso remove mass damper system
Thursday, August 3rd 2006, 14:14 GMT
The Toro Rosso team have decided to remove the mass damper system from their cars ahead of the Hungarian Grand Prix.
FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting had rejected the three cars from the team at scrutineering on Thursday, because they were fitted with the outlawed device.
"As this device is capable of influencing the aerodynamic performance of the car, it is in my view that its use contravenes Article 3.15 of the 2006 formula one technical regulations," said Whiting in a statement.
Although the FIA had said it would not push to retrospectively punish the teams using the device in Hungary if it won an appeal over the use of the system, Toro Rosso have decided to compete without it this weekend.
World champions Renault, who earlier this week said they would refit the mass damper system in Hungary, admitted on Thursday they were unsure if they would be using it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Renault unsure about using mass damper
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, August 3rd 2006, 13:26 GMT
Renault are now unsure whether they will race with their mass damper system this weekend following another clarification from the FIA, autosport.com has learned.
The French car manufacturer had been set to refit the devices after being told that there was little risk of them being punished at this month's FIA Court of Appeal hearing if the mass dampers were declared illegal.
"Firstly, we received notification on Monday that the FIA will recommend to the Court of Appeal that teams who have used the mass damper in Hungary should not have retrospective penalties applied when the hearing takes place between before Turkey," said Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds earlier this week.
"In light of this, we will use the device again in Hungary."
However, another letter from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting to the teams explaining the FIA's position has left Renault unsure about whether to run with the mass damper.
Whiting's latest letter, which was sent to all the teams, explained the full background to why the FIA believe that mass dampers are illegal. It specifically expressed concerns about mass damper use extending to the development of twin chassis in F1.
That letter, allied to the threat of a possible protest from rival teams if they run the device, means Renault will now make a late call about whether they run with the mass damper.
A team spokesman said: "We are considering our position."
The Hungary Race Stewards will now also get involved in the situation after Whiting rejected the Scuderia Toro Rosso cars at scrutineering on Thursday because they were fitted with mass dampers.
A decision on that matter is expected imminently, and could play a factor in whether Renault decide to refit them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Toro Rosso remove mass damper system
Thursday, August 3rd 2006, 14:14 GMT
The Toro Rosso team have decided to remove the mass damper system from their cars ahead of the Hungarian Grand Prix.
FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting had rejected the three cars from the team at scrutineering on Thursday, because they were fitted with the outlawed device.
"As this device is capable of influencing the aerodynamic performance of the car, it is in my view that its use contravenes Article 3.15 of the 2006 formula one technical regulations," said Whiting in a statement.
Although the FIA had said it would not push to retrospectively punish the teams using the device in Hungary if it won an appeal over the use of the system, Toro Rosso have decided to compete without it this weekend.
World champions Renault, who earlier this week said they would refit the mass damper system in Hungary, admitted on Thursday they were unsure if they would be using it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Renault unsure about using mass damper
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, August 3rd 2006, 13:26 GMT
Renault are now unsure whether they will race with their mass damper system this weekend following another clarification from the FIA, autosport.com has learned.
The French car manufacturer had been set to refit the devices after being told that there was little risk of them being punished at this month's FIA Court of Appeal hearing if the mass dampers were declared illegal.
"Firstly, we received notification on Monday that the FIA will recommend to the Court of Appeal that teams who have used the mass damper in Hungary should not have retrospective penalties applied when the hearing takes place between before Turkey," said Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds earlier this week.
"In light of this, we will use the device again in Hungary."
However, another letter from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting to the teams explaining the FIA's position has left Renault unsure about whether to run with the mass damper.
Whiting's latest letter, which was sent to all the teams, explained the full background to why the FIA believe that mass dampers are illegal. It specifically expressed concerns about mass damper use extending to the development of twin chassis in F1.
That letter, allied to the threat of a possible protest from rival teams if they run the device, means Renault will now make a late call about whether they run with the mass damper.
A team spokesman said: "We are considering our position."
The Hungary Race Stewards will now also get involved in the situation after Whiting rejected the Scuderia Toro Rosso cars at scrutineering on Thursday because they were fitted with mass dampers.
A decision on that matter is expected imminently, and could play a factor in whether Renault decide to refit them.[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 08-03-2006 12:34 PM |
Twin chassis makes a bit more sense then the BS moveable aero device.
| ArtGecko | 08-03-2006 08:31 PM |
I'll be recording this one, but won't be able to watch it until 8/18 (do they have Speed TV on Alaska cruise ships? ;) )
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen <-- practicing following MS for next year. :)
F.Massa
F.Alonso
G.Fisichella
R.Schumacher
J.Trulli
R.Kubica
Steve
M.Schumacher
K.Raikkonen <-- practicing following MS for next year. :)
F.Massa
F.Alonso
G.Fisichella
R.Schumacher
J.Trulli
R.Kubica
Steve
| OnTheGas | 08-03-2006 09:28 PM |
Hasta La Vista, Jacques!
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[QUOTE=snow111]Do you think this is the end for JV?[/QUOTE]As a long time fan of JV, (since his F Atlantic days), I would say, yes! Yes, indeed it is the end!
Whether or not his butt is in a F1 seat on a race day before the end of the end of the season, it is hard to say. But taking out both cars of your team on the first lap of the team's home grand prix... :eek: Don't expect to see Jacques driving a BMW next season.
As soon as I saw this story on Tuesday of Kubica in, JV out, I guessed that it could well be that Jacques will be physically well enough to race this weekend, but some of the higher ups on the team did not want to see him around, and/or were more interested in seeing Kubica pilot their car in a race instead.
Seat time in a race for Kubica could be very smart for BMW and Sauber, as they can see how much this diamond in the rough may shine for them in the future. If he has race pace, and can run a 2 hour race, then... people will ask Jacques who? Ah yes, that singer who wore baggy clothes!
;) :p
Such is racing! :cool:
Whether or not his butt is in a F1 seat on a race day before the end of the end of the season, it is hard to say. But taking out both cars of your team on the first lap of the team's home grand prix... :eek: Don't expect to see Jacques driving a BMW next season.
As soon as I saw this story on Tuesday of Kubica in, JV out, I guessed that it could well be that Jacques will be physically well enough to race this weekend, but some of the higher ups on the team did not want to see him around, and/or were more interested in seeing Kubica pilot their car in a race instead.
Seat time in a race for Kubica could be very smart for BMW and Sauber, as they can see how much this diamond in the rough may shine for them in the future. If he has race pace, and can run a 2 hour race, then... people will ask Jacques who? Ah yes, that singer who wore baggy clothes!
;) :p
Such is racing! :cool:
| OnTheGas | 08-03-2006 09:41 PM |
JV's fabulous 2006 season so far...
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[QUOTE=StuBeck]...(JV has) also been faster than Heidfeld for most of the season too.[/QUOTE] :huh: Ummm... well... there are many folks who would not agree with that assessement of JV and Heidfeld.
If one were to ask F1 team managers who they would choose between JV and Heidfeld, based on what we have seen this season from these team-mates, wouldn't the majority choose Quick Nick?
If one were to ask F1 team managers who they would choose between JV and Heidfeld, based on what we have seen this season from these team-mates, wouldn't the majority choose Quick Nick?
| Leonardo | 08-03-2006 10:43 PM |
Montoya will podium!!!
Oh, wait...
;)
Oh, wait...
;)
| StuBeck | 08-03-2006 10:48 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]:huh: Ummm... well... there are many folks who would not agree with that assessement of JV and Heidfeld.
If one were to ask F1 team managers who they would choose between JV and Heidfeld, based on what we have seen this season from these team-mates, wouldn't the majority choose Quick Nick?[/QUOTE]
Look whos run better for most of the recent parts of the season and its pretty clear I think. Both are good guys and I think Heidfeld will stay around simply because he's German where JV isn't, and in a German car with a German Engine they want a German driver.
If one were to ask F1 team managers who they would choose between JV and Heidfeld, based on what we have seen this season from these team-mates, wouldn't the majority choose Quick Nick?[/QUOTE]
Look whos run better for most of the recent parts of the season and its pretty clear I think. Both are good guys and I think Heidfeld will stay around simply because he's German where JV isn't, and in a German car with a German Engine they want a German driver.
| KAX | 08-04-2006 01:04 AM |
eh, i dont want to pick drivers, im so bad at it.
buuuut...
1. M. Schumacher
2. F. Massa
3. K. Raikkonen
4. P. De La Rosa
5. F. Alonso
6. idk
7. idk
8. idk
buuuut...
1. M. Schumacher
2. F. Massa
3. K. Raikkonen
4. P. De La Rosa
5. F. Alonso
6. idk
7. idk
8. idk
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 01:38 AM |
Best guesses for a cooler, wetter Hungaroring
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This is a real crap shoot of a race... very similar set-ups as Monaco, yet they ran Monaco 10 weeks ago... teams have been improving their chassis, their aero, their motors, and the tires have all changed since then. Plus, at Hockenheim last weekend, two important teams woke from their deep slumbers... Williams-Cosworth, and Honda... They showed excellent race pace, so now the battle for the lessor points, 5th thru 8th, is anyone's guess. Enough crying, here are my late picks:[list=1][*]Michael Schumacher[*]Fernando Alonso[*]Felipe Massa[*]Kimi R�ikk�nen[*]Jenson Button[*]Ralf Schumacher[*]Giancarlo Fisichella[*]Jarno Trulli[/list]Did I mention the rain in the forecast for Friday, and Saturday? And it will be cooler than expected on Sunday? Oh boy... If it rains during the race, we could have strange wonderful things such as someone on the podium that one would never have guessed.
Who cares! It's race time! :banana:
Who cares! It's race time! :banana:
| Gundoo | 08-04-2006 02:33 AM |
no speedtv makes gundoo sad....
kimi will win!
kimi will win!
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 02:59 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]Look whos run better for most of the recent parts of the season and its pretty clear I think...[/QUOTE]Yes, OK, let's look!
[b][u]Season points totals[/u]:
8 = Nick
6 = JV[/b]
But thats the total season. Let's look at the later half of the season... Let's see we have had 12 races so far, so here are the
[b][u]points totals of the last 6 races[/u]:
3 = Nick
0 = JV[/b] (includes 2 spin-offs!)
OK, sure, we all know that points are the most important measurement of a driver's success in F1, but maybe there is another way that JV has been shining recently, in comparison to his team-mate.
Let's look at qualifying!
[b][u]Avg Grid Position 2006[/u]:
Nick = 11.67
J.V. = 12.75[/b]
OK, maybe Jacques' superiority over Nick is being exhibitted in his qualifying performances for the last 6 races. Let's look:
[b][u]Avg Grid Position from Monte Carlo to Germany (last 6 races)[/u]:
Nick = 12.1
J.V. = 11.82[/b]
Ah, at last we some of the sparkle that makes JV superior to Nick... Sure Nick has earned more points over the whole season, and the latter part of the season, and his avg grid position is also higher than Jacques' over the course of the season, but in the last 6 races... there is no denying that Jacques' avg grid position is superior. :rolleyes:
But what about fast laps, you ask? Let's look!
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position Amongst All Drivers from Bahrain to Canada[/u][/b] (where JV had 6th fastest lap, highest of his season so far):
[b]Nick = 9.44
J.V. = 11.22[/b]
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position whole season so far[/u]:
Nick = 10.45
J.V. = 10.92[/b]
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position last 6 races (MC to DE)[/u]:
Nick = 10.8
J.V. = 10.67[/b]
Ah! There it is! JV is superior in his fastest laps during the 2nd half of the season, 10.67 beats 10.8! :rolleyes:
So, Stu, my friend, I'm not seeing how J.V. is better than Nick... not seeing it on the track, not seeing in his points, his qualifying, nor his fast laps. Where are you seeing Jacques' superiority? Is this a gut thing? Jacques spends much of his race days chasing after his team-mate, so I'm not sure why folks should not think that the team-mate is better than JV.
[QUOTE=StuBeck]I think Heidfeld will stay around simply because he's German where JV isn't...[/quote]Yes, I see. Well I'm thinking that Nick the Quick will stay around because he is quicker than his team-mate, (who is a former world champion), and more importantly, Nick scores more points.
Signed,
A JV fan since his '93 F Atlantic season
[b][u]Season points totals[/u]:
8 = Nick
6 = JV[/b]
But thats the total season. Let's look at the later half of the season... Let's see we have had 12 races so far, so here are the
[b][u]points totals of the last 6 races[/u]:
3 = Nick
0 = JV[/b] (includes 2 spin-offs!)
OK, sure, we all know that points are the most important measurement of a driver's success in F1, but maybe there is another way that JV has been shining recently, in comparison to his team-mate.
Let's look at qualifying!
[b][u]Avg Grid Position 2006[/u]:
Nick = 11.67
J.V. = 12.75[/b]
OK, maybe Jacques' superiority over Nick is being exhibitted in his qualifying performances for the last 6 races. Let's look:
[b][u]Avg Grid Position from Monte Carlo to Germany (last 6 races)[/u]:
Nick = 12.1
J.V. = 11.82[/b]
Ah, at last we some of the sparkle that makes JV superior to Nick... Sure Nick has earned more points over the whole season, and the latter part of the season, and his avg grid position is also higher than Jacques' over the course of the season, but in the last 6 races... there is no denying that Jacques' avg grid position is superior. :rolleyes:
But what about fast laps, you ask? Let's look!
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position Amongst All Drivers from Bahrain to Canada[/u][/b] (where JV had 6th fastest lap, highest of his season so far):
[b]Nick = 9.44
J.V. = 11.22[/b]
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position whole season so far[/u]:
Nick = 10.45
J.V. = 10.92[/b]
[b][u]Avg Fast Lap Position last 6 races (MC to DE)[/u]:
Nick = 10.8
J.V. = 10.67[/b]
Ah! There it is! JV is superior in his fastest laps during the 2nd half of the season, 10.67 beats 10.8! :rolleyes:
So, Stu, my friend, I'm not seeing how J.V. is better than Nick... not seeing it on the track, not seeing in his points, his qualifying, nor his fast laps. Where are you seeing Jacques' superiority? Is this a gut thing? Jacques spends much of his race days chasing after his team-mate, so I'm not sure why folks should not think that the team-mate is better than JV.
[QUOTE=StuBeck]I think Heidfeld will stay around simply because he's German where JV isn't...[/quote]Yes, I see. Well I'm thinking that Nick the Quick will stay around because he is quicker than his team-mate, (who is a former world champion), and more importantly, Nick scores more points.
Signed,
A JV fan since his '93 F Atlantic season
| StuBeck | 08-04-2006 08:13 AM |
You can lose the attitude. Jacques is faster during the race (just going by fast laps isn't very good since a driver can decide to run fast for one lap then run half a second slower the rest of the race.) When he was running the last few races and his car has failed on him he has been higher up then Heidfeld. Average qualifying is also a bit difficult because in France he didn't make it out of qual 1. I'm not looking at stats, I'm looking at the last few races when Villeneuve finally got used to the car and he's been running well.
| Ferg | 08-04-2006 10:31 AM |
JV has had, at least until the last few races a very solid season. Probably not impresive enough to keep his seat next season (or the rest of this one sadly...) but certainly enough to silence those who have been claiming JV is all washed up.
On the other hand, since Jacques has such a "mixed" reputation, the fact that Quick Nick [i]hasn't[/i] been blowing him into the weeds every weekend (as was expected) doesn't say much for Heidfelds ultimate performance. All you can say about Nick is that in equal machinery he's just about even with the 1997 World Champ, a man who most of the paddock have long written off.
Anywho...
[QUOTE]Raikkonen fastest in practice 1 - Hungary
By Timothy Collings Friday, August 4th 2006, 10:04 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen topped the times in Friday's opening practice for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix, the Finn in his McLaren Mercedes-Benz winding up ahead of Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda at the end of a dull and overcast session.
Davidson, the test and reserve driver, was seven tenths of a second behind the pace-setting lap of 1:21.624 clocked by Raikkonen, with German Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari third fastest.
Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa was fourth for McLaren ahead of Austrian Alexander Wurz, in a Williams, and the two Hondas driven by Brazilian Rubens Barrichello and Briton Jenson Button.
After heavy overnight showers, the circuit was damp and drying, but the weather was heavy, cool and threatening as the session began.
There were few incidents other than brief off-track excursions that claimed Neel Jani in a Toro Rosso-Cosworth, Italian Giancarlo Fisichella in his Renault, German Markus Winkelhock in a Midland and Dutchman Christijan Albers, his teammate.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:21.624 5
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:22.396 + 0.772 28
3. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:22.499 + 0.875 5
4. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:22.730 + 1.106 6
5. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:22.941 + 1.317 25
6. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:23.553 + 1.929 6
7. Button Honda (M) 1:23.659 + 2.035 5
8. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:23.999 + 2.375 27
9. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:24.620 + 2.996 9
10. Winkelhock MF1-Toyota (B) 1:25.194 + 3.570 26
11. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.424 + 3.800 17
12. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.477 + 3.853 6
13. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:26.678 + 5.054 7
14. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:26.680 + 5.056 5
15. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:27.321 + 5.697 8
16. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:29.765 + 8.141 4
17. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:30.110 + 8.486 5
18. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:30.353 + 8.729 12
19. Alonso Renault (M) No time 1
20. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
21. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
22. Fisichella Renault (M) No time 1
23. Massa Ferrari (B)
24. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B)
25. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B)
26. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M)
27. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M)
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Massa flies in practice 2 - Hungary
By Timothy Collings Friday, August 4th 2006, 13:04 GMT
Brazilian Felipe Massa clocked the fastest time in Friday's second free practice session ahead of Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix.
The young Ferrari driver clocked a best time of 1:21.778 seconds to outpace nearest rival and defending world champion Spaniard Fernando Alonso in his Renault by 1.3 seconds.
But his time was no improvement on the best time of the morning session and confirmed that on a dull, grey and dreary day at the slow Hungaroring circuit the weather was the real winner.
Italian Giancarlo Fisichella was third for Renault, while seven-time champion German Michael Schumacher was only seventh in the second Ferrari after an hour of activity that revealed precious little about Saturday's qualifying or Sunday's race prospects.
After only four minutes of the afternoon session, Japan's Sakon Yamamoto, driving a Super Aguri Honda, went off the track at turn four, but regained control. He was followed swiftly by German Markus Winkelhock, in his Midland-Toyota, performing the same feat at turn 11.
Then, after 13 minutes of the hour, Dutchman Robert Doornbos explored the off-line flora turn seven, in his Red Bull.
This resulted in some clearing up and no sooner was the track clean again, as the drivers attempted to improve their pace in the drying conditions under an overcast sky, than Fisichella, who had gone off in the morning, went off again. This time, it was turn seven that claimed him and his Renault.
Vitantonio Liuzzi, in his Toro Rosso Cosworth, joined Fisichella in the list of over-enthusiastic drivers to have enjoyed an excursion after 39 minutes at turn one as visibility improved and the temperature rose.
Austrian Christian Klien in a Red Bull Ferrari and then Christijan Albers, in a Midland Toyota, also went off.
By this stage, the air temperature was a modest 20 degrees Celsius, the track measured at 28 and the humidity was 75 per cent. It was no wonder that many in the paddock were mourning, without irony, the recent English heatwave.
Earlier in the day, during the morning's free practice hour, Kimi Raikkonen had topped the times, the Finn in his McLaren Mercedes-Benz winding up ahead of Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda at the end of a dull and overcast session.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:21.778 12
2. Alonso Renault (M) 1:23.097 + 1.319 15
3. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:23.189 + 1.411 14
4. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:23.195 + 1.417 30
5. Davidson Honda (M) 1:23.498 + 1.720 31
6. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:23.747 + 1.969 19
7. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:23.771 + 1.993 18
8. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:23.931 + 2.153 19
9. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:23.934 + 2.156 11
10. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:24.106 + 2.328 11
11. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:24.252 + 2.474 11
12. Winkelhock MF1-Toyota (B) 1:24.381 + 2.603 28
13. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:24.445 + 2.667 17
14. Button Honda (M) 1:24.465 + 2.687 15
15. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:24.508 + 2.730 8
16. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:24.609 + 2.831 31
17. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.623 + 2.845 23
18. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:24.793 + 3.015 12
19. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:24.854 + 3.076 33
20. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:25.038 + 3.260 7
21. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.152 + 3.374 16
22. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:25.393 + 3.615 8
23. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:25.647 + 3.869 14
24. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:25.843 + 4.065 12
25. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:25.968 + 4.190 11
26. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:26.198 + 4.420 16
27. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:26.877 + 5.099 20
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
..and the biggie for this weekend.
[QUOTE]Renault decide against using mass damper
By Jonathan Noble Friday, August 4th 2006, 08:30 GMT
Renault have decided not to run with their mass damper at this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix, autosport.com has learned.
After deliberating overnight about whether to fit the device, amid continued uncertainty about its legality, the world champions have decided that it would be better not to race with it.
The move came after a letter from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting to the teams on Wednesday. It clarified the current situation and made it clear why the governing body believed the devices are illegal.
Earlier this week, Renault had decided to refit the mass damper after Whiting wrote to the teams on Monday telling them that the FIA would ask the Court of Appeal not to punish the teams retrospectively if the devices were confirmed as illegal.
"Firstly, we received notification on Monday that the FIA will recommend to the Court of Appeal that teams who have used the mass damper in Hungary should not have retrospective penalties applied when the hearing takes place between before Turkey," said Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds earlier this week.
"In light of this, we will use the device again in Hungary."
Renault are not the only team to have removed the mass damper this weekend. Scuderia Toro Rosso had put their cars forward for scrutineering on Thursday with mass dampers fitted.
FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer reiterated his belief that the devices were illegal and informed the stewards, but a hearing was averted after Toro Rosso took them off their car.
Toro Rosso boss Franz Tost told autosport.com that the team could not risk running with the devices because of the unclear legal situation.
"There was a letter last week that said we would be allowed to use it for here, and we decided to run it," he explained. "Yesterday when we arrived we got the message that we were the only team with the dampers in the car, so we decided to remove them.
"As it looks now, maybe it is illegal. We will see. It will be a decision from the court. But the risk was too much to run them."[/QUOTE]
On the other hand, since Jacques has such a "mixed" reputation, the fact that Quick Nick [i]hasn't[/i] been blowing him into the weeds every weekend (as was expected) doesn't say much for Heidfelds ultimate performance. All you can say about Nick is that in equal machinery he's just about even with the 1997 World Champ, a man who most of the paddock have long written off.
Anywho...
[QUOTE]Raikkonen fastest in practice 1 - Hungary
By Timothy Collings Friday, August 4th 2006, 10:04 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen topped the times in Friday's opening practice for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix, the Finn in his McLaren Mercedes-Benz winding up ahead of Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda at the end of a dull and overcast session.
Davidson, the test and reserve driver, was seven tenths of a second behind the pace-setting lap of 1:21.624 clocked by Raikkonen, with German Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari third fastest.
Spaniard Pedro de la Rosa was fourth for McLaren ahead of Austrian Alexander Wurz, in a Williams, and the two Hondas driven by Brazilian Rubens Barrichello and Briton Jenson Button.
After heavy overnight showers, the circuit was damp and drying, but the weather was heavy, cool and threatening as the session began.
There were few incidents other than brief off-track excursions that claimed Neel Jani in a Toro Rosso-Cosworth, Italian Giancarlo Fisichella in his Renault, German Markus Winkelhock in a Midland and Dutchman Christijan Albers, his teammate.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:21.624 5
2. Davidson Honda (M) 1:22.396 + 0.772 28
3. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:22.499 + 0.875 5
4. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:22.730 + 1.106 6
5. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:22.941 + 1.317 25
6. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:23.553 + 1.929 6
7. Button Honda (M) 1:23.659 + 2.035 5
8. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:23.999 + 2.375 27
9. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:24.620 + 2.996 9
10. Winkelhock MF1-Toyota (B) 1:25.194 + 3.570 26
11. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.424 + 3.800 17
12. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.477 + 3.853 6
13. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:26.678 + 5.054 7
14. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:26.680 + 5.056 5
15. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:27.321 + 5.697 8
16. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:29.765 + 8.141 4
17. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:30.110 + 8.486 5
18. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:30.353 + 8.729 12
19. Alonso Renault (M) No time 1
20. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
21. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) No time 1
22. Fisichella Renault (M) No time 1
23. Massa Ferrari (B)
24. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B)
25. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B)
26. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M)
27. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M)
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Massa flies in practice 2 - Hungary
By Timothy Collings Friday, August 4th 2006, 13:04 GMT
Brazilian Felipe Massa clocked the fastest time in Friday's second free practice session ahead of Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix.
The young Ferrari driver clocked a best time of 1:21.778 seconds to outpace nearest rival and defending world champion Spaniard Fernando Alonso in his Renault by 1.3 seconds.
But his time was no improvement on the best time of the morning session and confirmed that on a dull, grey and dreary day at the slow Hungaroring circuit the weather was the real winner.
Italian Giancarlo Fisichella was third for Renault, while seven-time champion German Michael Schumacher was only seventh in the second Ferrari after an hour of activity that revealed precious little about Saturday's qualifying or Sunday's race prospects.
After only four minutes of the afternoon session, Japan's Sakon Yamamoto, driving a Super Aguri Honda, went off the track at turn four, but regained control. He was followed swiftly by German Markus Winkelhock, in his Midland-Toyota, performing the same feat at turn 11.
Then, after 13 minutes of the hour, Dutchman Robert Doornbos explored the off-line flora turn seven, in his Red Bull.
This resulted in some clearing up and no sooner was the track clean again, as the drivers attempted to improve their pace in the drying conditions under an overcast sky, than Fisichella, who had gone off in the morning, went off again. This time, it was turn seven that claimed him and his Renault.
Vitantonio Liuzzi, in his Toro Rosso Cosworth, joined Fisichella in the list of over-enthusiastic drivers to have enjoyed an excursion after 39 minutes at turn one as visibility improved and the temperature rose.
Austrian Christian Klien in a Red Bull Ferrari and then Christijan Albers, in a Midland Toyota, also went off.
By this stage, the air temperature was a modest 20 degrees Celsius, the track measured at 28 and the humidity was 75 per cent. It was no wonder that many in the paddock were mourning, without irony, the recent English heatwave.
Earlier in the day, during the morning's free practice hour, Kimi Raikkonen had topped the times, the Finn in his McLaren Mercedes-Benz winding up ahead of Briton Anthony Davidson in a Honda at the end of a dull and overcast session.
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:21.778 12
2. Alonso Renault (M) 1:23.097 + 1.319 15
3. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:23.189 + 1.411 14
4. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:23.195 + 1.417 30
5. Davidson Honda (M) 1:23.498 + 1.720 31
6. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:23.747 + 1.969 19
7. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:23.771 + 1.993 18
8. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:23.931 + 2.153 19
9. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (M) 1:23.934 + 2.156 11
10. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:24.106 + 2.328 11
11. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:24.252 + 2.474 11
12. Winkelhock MF1-Toyota (B) 1:24.381 + 2.603 28
13. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:24.445 + 2.667 17
14. Button Honda (M) 1:24.465 + 2.687 15
15. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:24.508 + 2.730 8
16. Wurz Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:24.609 + 2.831 31
17. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.623 + 2.845 23
18. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:24.793 + 3.015 12
19. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:24.854 + 3.076 33
20. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:25.038 + 3.260 7
21. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:25.152 + 3.374 16
22. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:25.393 + 3.615 8
23. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:25.647 + 3.869 14
24. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:25.843 + 4.065 12
25. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:25.968 + 4.190 11
26. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:26.198 + 4.420 16
27. Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:26.877 + 5.099 20
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
..and the biggie for this weekend.
[QUOTE]Renault decide against using mass damper
By Jonathan Noble Friday, August 4th 2006, 08:30 GMT
Renault have decided not to run with their mass damper at this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix, autosport.com has learned.
After deliberating overnight about whether to fit the device, amid continued uncertainty about its legality, the world champions have decided that it would be better not to race with it.
The move came after a letter from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting to the teams on Wednesday. It clarified the current situation and made it clear why the governing body believed the devices are illegal.
Earlier this week, Renault had decided to refit the mass damper after Whiting wrote to the teams on Monday telling them that the FIA would ask the Court of Appeal not to punish the teams retrospectively if the devices were confirmed as illegal.
"Firstly, we received notification on Monday that the FIA will recommend to the Court of Appeal that teams who have used the mass damper in Hungary should not have retrospective penalties applied when the hearing takes place between before Turkey," said Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds earlier this week.
"In light of this, we will use the device again in Hungary."
Renault are not the only team to have removed the mass damper this weekend. Scuderia Toro Rosso had put their cars forward for scrutineering on Thursday with mass dampers fitted.
FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer reiterated his belief that the devices were illegal and informed the stewards, but a hearing was averted after Toro Rosso took them off their car.
Toro Rosso boss Franz Tost told autosport.com that the team could not risk running with the devices because of the unclear legal situation.
"There was a letter last week that said we would be allowed to use it for here, and we decided to run it," he explained. "Yesterday when we arrived we got the message that we were the only team with the dampers in the car, so we decided to remove them.
"As it looks now, maybe it is illegal. We will see. It will be a decision from the court. But the risk was too much to run them."[/QUOTE]
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 11:58 AM |
JV Concussed
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Yesterday, at the track we learned the following...[quote][i]BMW motorsport boss Mario Theissen[/i]
Jacques did not attend the race debrief last Sunday due to a headache. And we were informed by his manager on Tuesday that the headache is still there. So that was the basis for the decision. The intention is to look at the situation after the race, as I said.[/quote]So idle speculation that JV was out due to taking himself and his team-mate off at the team's home GP is not legit, (OK, guilty! that was me! :) ).
Furthermore, a headache after a bad crash, and it's a bad headache that lingers, is a very [b]strong sign of a concussion[/b]. That means that the decision as to when JV will be back in the cockpit may be out of BMW's hands, as it would be a doctor's opinion, and/or that of that FIA health and safety designate (I forget who... successor to Sid Watkins?). The good news is there is a 3 week break following this weekend, so that would be almost 4 weeks of healing time. Still brain injuries are very strange, in that sometimes they heal quickly, sometimes they take forever, and I hate to say this, in the worst cases, they don't really heal.
JV last had a concussion during an off-season skiing accident (regular hotdogging, but had a bad face plant or something)... I don't recall when, but it was during his BAR career, and I recall it took sometime to heal up from that.
So I hope he heals up quickly, and completely.
On a related note... BMW did not enter 3 cars here @ Hungary. So I will speculate that they don't have another super licensed driver available. It will be interesting to see if they start looking for an available driver to be their 3rd driver for Turkey, since time to heal from a concussion is so variable.
Jacques did not attend the race debrief last Sunday due to a headache. And we were informed by his manager on Tuesday that the headache is still there. So that was the basis for the decision. The intention is to look at the situation after the race, as I said.[/quote]So idle speculation that JV was out due to taking himself and his team-mate off at the team's home GP is not legit, (OK, guilty! that was me! :) ).
Furthermore, a headache after a bad crash, and it's a bad headache that lingers, is a very [b]strong sign of a concussion[/b]. That means that the decision as to when JV will be back in the cockpit may be out of BMW's hands, as it would be a doctor's opinion, and/or that of that FIA health and safety designate (I forget who... successor to Sid Watkins?). The good news is there is a 3 week break following this weekend, so that would be almost 4 weeks of healing time. Still brain injuries are very strange, in that sometimes they heal quickly, sometimes they take forever, and I hate to say this, in the worst cases, they don't really heal.
JV last had a concussion during an off-season skiing accident (regular hotdogging, but had a bad face plant or something)... I don't recall when, but it was during his BAR career, and I recall it took sometime to heal up from that.
So I hope he heals up quickly, and completely.
On a related note... BMW did not enter 3 cars here @ Hungary. So I will speculate that they don't have another super licensed driver available. It will be interesting to see if they start looking for an available driver to be their 3rd driver for Turkey, since time to heal from a concussion is so variable.
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 12:09 PM |
Apologies!
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[QUOTE=StuBeck]You can lose the attitude.[/QUOTE]You're right. Please accept my apologies... I was out of line. I'm sorry.
And I agree with your point that JV has stepped up his performance recently.
Thank you for clarifying your point about where you see JV being stronger. That was good, as I was honestly curious about that.
I would agree that we hold differing opinions as to the overall value and abilities of Nick and JV. I'll leave it at that.
PS - Kubica! So far so good! :)
And I agree with your point that JV has stepped up his performance recently.
Thank you for clarifying your point about where you see JV being stronger. That was good, as I was honestly curious about that.
I would agree that we hold differing opinions as to the overall value and abilities of Nick and JV. I'll leave it at that.
PS - Kubica! So far so good! :)
| Ferg | 08-04-2006 01:25 PM |
This is ****ing ridiculous! :mad:
[QUOTE]Alonso hit with time penalties
By Jonathan Noble Friday, August 4th 2006, 17:11 GMT
World champion Fernando Alonso's chances of fighting for victory at this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix have been hit after he received a penalty for his antics in practice.
Stewards summoned Alonso and Red Bull's third driver Robert Doornbos after the Spaniard gesticulated at the Dutchman for holding him up during the second practice session.
The Renault driver then appeared to slow deliberately in front of his rival.
Following the incident, the stewards have penalised Alonso, who will have two seconds added to each of his qualifying times in each part of tomorrow's qualifying.
The penalty means Alonso will face a hard time trying to make it past the first two sessions, on a track where overtaking is virtually impossible.
The first second of the penalty was awarded for "unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous" driving, while the second for overtaking under yellow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Alonso hit with time penalties
By Jonathan Noble Friday, August 4th 2006, 17:11 GMT
World champion Fernando Alonso's chances of fighting for victory at this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix have been hit after he received a penalty for his antics in practice.
Stewards summoned Alonso and Red Bull's third driver Robert Doornbos after the Spaniard gesticulated at the Dutchman for holding him up during the second practice session.
The Renault driver then appeared to slow deliberately in front of his rival.
Following the incident, the stewards have penalised Alonso, who will have two seconds added to each of his qualifying times in each part of tomorrow's qualifying.
The penalty means Alonso will face a hard time trying to make it past the first two sessions, on a track where overtaking is virtually impossible.
The first second of the penalty was awarded for "unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous" driving, while the second for overtaking under yellow.[/QUOTE]
| rupertberr | 08-04-2006 01:26 PM |
So needing to get back in the hunt I am going out on a short limb. I'll pick the Iceman to win his first of the year. Reasons: track is similar to Monaco, Kimi should have won there earlier this year but blew his engine. Kimi likes this track, won here last year. Closest thing to a home track for Finland, positive vibes from the crowd. Bridgestone seems to have an advantage in the hot, its unseasonably cold this weekend. Final reason, Kimi has got to get lucky at least once this year! Here are my picks that went in last night:
1. K.Raikkonen
2. M.Schumacher
3. J.Trulli
4. F.Alonso
5. F.Massa
6. G.Fisichella
7. P.Rosa
8. N.Heidfeld
1. K.Raikkonen
2. M.Schumacher
3. J.Trulli
4. F.Alonso
5. F.Massa
6. G.Fisichella
7. P.Rosa
8. N.Heidfeld
| rupertberr | 08-04-2006 01:29 PM |
"who will have two seconds added to each of his qualifying times in each part of tomorrow's qualifying."
wtf? When has this type of penalty been used before??? :confused:
wtf? When has this type of penalty been used before??? :confused:
| Ferg | 08-04-2006 01:35 PM |
Nothing comes to mind except JPM getting sent to the back of the grid at Monaco for brake checking Ralfie..but that was a pretty blatant offense which ended with Ralfie in the Armco (I think....)
I was half asleep this morning during practice so I only half watched Alonso's "brake check". All I saw was him braking early for the first corner..with Dornboos well back.
It didn't look nearly as bad as the little stopper Fernando pulled on DC a few years ago..
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSFWc9jpFg]->Alonso vs DC<-[/URL]
This penalty seems a little harsh, but maybe from other camera angles the move looked more deliberate.
I was half asleep this morning during practice so I only half watched Alonso's "brake check". All I saw was him braking early for the first corner..with Dornboos well back.
It didn't look nearly as bad as the little stopper Fernando pulled on DC a few years ago..
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSFWc9jpFg]->Alonso vs DC<-[/URL]
This penalty seems a little harsh, but maybe from other camera angles the move looked more deliberate.
| TimStevens | 08-04-2006 01:58 PM |
Damn...just when I was starting to warm up to Alonso...
| f1vlad | 08-04-2006 02:10 PM |
Wow it's like a damn soap opera, that adds heat to championship. I am talking about 2 sec penalty for Alonso. That's gonna be a close points fight Shumacher vs. Alonso
| TimStevens | 08-04-2006 02:16 PM |
It's just accelerating the inevitable MS comeback and victory, IMHO, but we'll see.
| driggity | 08-04-2006 02:19 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]This is ****ing ridiculous! :mad:[/QUOTE]
Oh goody. This ought to help bring all the Ferrari conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.
And just how long has the FIA been futzing around with this mass damper issue without being able to make a decision on the matter? :rolleyes:
Oh goody. This ought to help bring all the Ferrari conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.
And just how long has the FIA been futzing around with this mass damper issue without being able to make a decision on the matter? :rolleyes:
| artkevin | 08-04-2006 02:20 PM |
How in the hell can you penalise a guy 3 times for 1 offense? I only saw the 1st half of practice but now I have to go home and watch it. It had better be bad.
| f1vlad | 08-04-2006 02:38 PM |
This just reminds me of the occasional thoughts on the back of my mind every once in a while. That Formula One is a theatre :) everything is staged :)
| JoD | 08-04-2006 02:50 PM |
I have a feeling it might be a good weekend for my boy! *crosses fingers*
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 02:56 PM |
Hmmm...
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[quote][i]By Nikki Reynolds - [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=227859&FS=F1]Motorsport.com[/URL][/i]
...Alonso was seen to make angry gestures at Doornbos, presumably believing the Dutchman had hampered him, and then appeared to veer in front of the Red Bull and brake abruptly in the next corner. The stewards deemed the slowing down was of an "unusual and unexpected degree" and it caused Doornbos to take avoiding action.
They ruled that Alonso's actions were "unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous". The Spaniard was also found guilty of overtaking under yellow flags and as a consequence he will have two seconds added to his fastest lap in each of the three qualifying sessions on Saturday (one second for each incident). Renault is not expected to appeal.
The penalty will make it near enough impossible for Alonso to make the final stage of qualifying and will hand title rival Michael Schumacher a clear advantage. The Hungaroring is notoriously difficult to overtake on and a good qualifying spot is a very high priority.
There's only 11 points between championship leader Alonso and Schumacher in the standings and barring any unexpected events Schumacher looks set to close the gap even further on Sunday. Alonso hasn't maintained his usual calm recently and speculation suggests he is starting to crack under pressure.[/quote]Yeah... I would say Alonso is cracking...
Too bad, because I have been admiring how consistantly fast he is, and how he does not make mistakes.
But now Michael, and Ferrari, can see his achilles heel.
There are 18 races this season. We have had 12 so far. The last 3rd of the season begins this weekend. Don't be surprised to see a few cutting remarks from the Ferrari camp about their rival on occasion during the next few weeks. The mouth to utter such a remark will most likely be Michael's. He knows the psychological game very well, and he plays it well.
If you look at Schumacher's previously battles with rivals, Michael has successfully been able to rattle another driver's confidence if they appear to falter under the pressure of an F1 championship fight. It was a weakness of Damon Hill's which Michael purposefully, and successfullly, manipulated to his advantage when he could. On the opposite end would be Mika Hakkinen, who did not crack in the heat of a season long championship battle, and was therefore not susceptible to such psychological manipulations.
I was reading an article last night in Autosport which mentioned that Alonso would not talk to reporters in parc ferme after the German GP, but instead just marched straight to the Renault motorhome. I suspected that he may be susceptible. Now we know. This changes everything...
...Alonso was seen to make angry gestures at Doornbos, presumably believing the Dutchman had hampered him, and then appeared to veer in front of the Red Bull and brake abruptly in the next corner. The stewards deemed the slowing down was of an "unusual and unexpected degree" and it caused Doornbos to take avoiding action.
They ruled that Alonso's actions were "unnecessary, unacceptable and dangerous". The Spaniard was also found guilty of overtaking under yellow flags and as a consequence he will have two seconds added to his fastest lap in each of the three qualifying sessions on Saturday (one second for each incident). Renault is not expected to appeal.
The penalty will make it near enough impossible for Alonso to make the final stage of qualifying and will hand title rival Michael Schumacher a clear advantage. The Hungaroring is notoriously difficult to overtake on and a good qualifying spot is a very high priority.
There's only 11 points between championship leader Alonso and Schumacher in the standings and barring any unexpected events Schumacher looks set to close the gap even further on Sunday. Alonso hasn't maintained his usual calm recently and speculation suggests he is starting to crack under pressure.[/quote]Yeah... I would say Alonso is cracking...
Too bad, because I have been admiring how consistantly fast he is, and how he does not make mistakes.
But now Michael, and Ferrari, can see his achilles heel.
There are 18 races this season. We have had 12 so far. The last 3rd of the season begins this weekend. Don't be surprised to see a few cutting remarks from the Ferrari camp about their rival on occasion during the next few weeks. The mouth to utter such a remark will most likely be Michael's. He knows the psychological game very well, and he plays it well.
If you look at Schumacher's previously battles with rivals, Michael has successfully been able to rattle another driver's confidence if they appear to falter under the pressure of an F1 championship fight. It was a weakness of Damon Hill's which Michael purposefully, and successfullly, manipulated to his advantage when he could. On the opposite end would be Mika Hakkinen, who did not crack in the heat of a season long championship battle, and was therefore not susceptible to such psychological manipulations.
I was reading an article last night in Autosport which mentioned that Alonso would not talk to reporters in parc ferme after the German GP, but instead just marched straight to the Renault motorhome. I suspected that he may be susceptible. Now we know. This changes everything...
| Bonzo | 08-04-2006 02:58 PM |
what a friken joke.
MS in the past has taken racers out by bonehead and dobvious block moves yet IN PRACTICE Fernando gets penalised. wt?
MS in the past has taken racers out by bonehead and dobvious block moves yet IN PRACTICE Fernando gets penalised. wt?
| OnTheGas | 08-04-2006 02:59 PM |
Comment of the day...
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[QUOTE=driggity]Oh goody. This ought to help bring all the Ferrari conspiracy theorists out of the woodwork.[/QUOTE] :lol: :lol:
Sad but true...
Sad but true...
| MattDell | 08-04-2006 03:28 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]This is ****ing ridiculous! :mad:[/QUOTE]
I agree. :huh:
I agree. :huh:
| KAX | 08-04-2006 03:39 PM |
looks like its time to change my picks
1. K. Raikkonen <-- From pole
2. M. Schumacher
3. F. Massa
4. P. De La Rosa
5. J. Button
6. R. Schumacher
7. J. Trulli
8. G. Fisichella
1. K. Raikkonen <-- From pole
2. M. Schumacher
3. F. Massa
4. P. De La Rosa
5. J. Button
6. R. Schumacher
7. J. Trulli
8. G. Fisichella
| VWGrk1 | 08-04-2006 03:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]what a friken joke.
MS in the past has taken racers out by bonehead and dobvious block moves yet IN PRACTICE Fernando gets penalised. wt?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but at least he was penalised for it in Monaco. Still, it was amazing to watch him climb up from last place.
I've always been a MS fan and I would have loved to see him catch and beat Alonzo without this stupid ticky-tack penalty. This takes a bit of the fun out of it.
MS in the past has taken racers out by bonehead and dobvious block moves yet IN PRACTICE Fernando gets penalised. wt?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but at least he was penalised for it in Monaco. Still, it was amazing to watch him climb up from last place.
I've always been a MS fan and I would have loved to see him catch and beat Alonzo without this stupid ticky-tack penalty. This takes a bit of the fun out of it.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 08-04-2006 04:08 PM |
I can't believe I forgot to tape this today. Guess I will have to catch it tonight.
| Ferg | 08-04-2006 04:23 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]On the opposite end would be Mika Hakkinen, who did not crack in the heat of a season long championship battle, and was therefore not susceptible to such psychological manipulations.[/QUOTE]
Oh Mika cracked, and very publicly. I seem to recall him having a bit of a cry behind a tree at Monza after throwing it off the track. He wasn't even racing Michael for the Championship, and yet he made a completely unforced error while leading, something Alonso has yet to do. If and when Fernando commits the same mistake I think we can say he's lost it, but for now I'm just enjoying watching him deal with the pressure. The season has certainly come alive. :D
[QUOTE]I was reading an article last night in Autosport which mentioned that Alonso would not talk to reporters in parc ferme after the German GP, but instead just marched straight to the Renault motorhome. I suspected that he may be susceptible. Now we know. This changes everything...[/QUOTE]
er... I think you misread that article. It was Fisi who stomped off to the motorhome while Fernando hung around for the press.
[QUOTE]After every Grand Prix the drivers who finish from fourth on downwards leave the back of the FIA scrutineering bay after completing a personal weight check. There they face a barrage of TV cameras awaiting comments on the race. No one is obliged to stop, and if a driver has had a dire afternoon, he very often just pushes his way through the mob, the look of thunder on his face telling the hopeful interviewers that this is not the right time.
On Sunday at Hockenheim, Giancarlo Fisichella did just that, heading straight back to the sanctuary of the Renault motorhome. You could hardly blame him, considering the afternoon he had. But his teammate Fernando Alonso, ever the professional, faced up to his responsibilities. After running his hands though his hair, he stopped to give his verdict to the Spanish and Latin American TV crews, and after that, turned to the international broadcasters.
He'd just endured his worst afternoon since Hungary last year, finished off the podium for only the second time in 2006, endured a tyre blistering problem that made the car virtually undriveable, trailed his teammate until he too had tyre problems, survived a high speed trip across the gravel that could have finished his race, and seen his ever diminishing championship lead cut by a further six points to just 11. And all this after the FIA had seen fit to take away a key piece of technology that his team had honed.
Was he pissed off? He didn't show it, and instead gave the impression that this was another routine day at the office. The clear message was: I've done the best I could with the equipment I had today and, perhaps more the point, it could have been worse. You could even say he was buoyant, as if enjoying the challenge of a title fight, despite denying absolutely on Thursday that he would relish a closer battle.[/QUOTE]
Oh Mika cracked, and very publicly. I seem to recall him having a bit of a cry behind a tree at Monza after throwing it off the track. He wasn't even racing Michael for the Championship, and yet he made a completely unforced error while leading, something Alonso has yet to do. If and when Fernando commits the same mistake I think we can say he's lost it, but for now I'm just enjoying watching him deal with the pressure. The season has certainly come alive. :D
[QUOTE]I was reading an article last night in Autosport which mentioned that Alonso would not talk to reporters in parc ferme after the German GP, but instead just marched straight to the Renault motorhome. I suspected that he may be susceptible. Now we know. This changes everything...[/QUOTE]
er... I think you misread that article. It was Fisi who stomped off to the motorhome while Fernando hung around for the press.
[QUOTE]After every Grand Prix the drivers who finish from fourth on downwards leave the back of the FIA scrutineering bay after completing a personal weight check. There they face a barrage of TV cameras awaiting comments on the race. No one is obliged to stop, and if a driver has had a dire afternoon, he very often just pushes his way through the mob, the look of thunder on his face telling the hopeful interviewers that this is not the right time.
On Sunday at Hockenheim, Giancarlo Fisichella did just that, heading straight back to the sanctuary of the Renault motorhome. You could hardly blame him, considering the afternoon he had. But his teammate Fernando Alonso, ever the professional, faced up to his responsibilities. After running his hands though his hair, he stopped to give his verdict to the Spanish and Latin American TV crews, and after that, turned to the international broadcasters.
He'd just endured his worst afternoon since Hungary last year, finished off the podium for only the second time in 2006, endured a tyre blistering problem that made the car virtually undriveable, trailed his teammate until he too had tyre problems, survived a high speed trip across the gravel that could have finished his race, and seen his ever diminishing championship lead cut by a further six points to just 11. And all this after the FIA had seen fit to take away a key piece of technology that his team had honed.
Was he pissed off? He didn't show it, and instead gave the impression that this was another routine day at the office. The clear message was: I've done the best I could with the equipment I had today and, perhaps more the point, it could have been worse. You could even say he was buoyant, as if enjoying the challenge of a title fight, despite denying absolutely on Thursday that he would relish a closer battle.[/QUOTE]
| 06WRXTR | 08-04-2006 04:25 PM |
I am from hungary....great great technical track...i am going for Alonso
| KAX | 08-04-2006 05:07 PM |
you guys seem to be missing the biggest news of the weekend. . .
alonso cut his hair!
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/news/62998.jpg[/IMG]
so did Kubica do to his new race seat.
alonso cut his hair!
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/news/62998.jpg[/IMG]
so did Kubica do to his new race seat.
| artkevin | 08-04-2006 05:28 PM |
Holly crap. He looks homeless now. I wonder if his girl made him do it?
| meebs | 08-04-2006 05:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Oh Mika cracked, and very publicly. I seem to recall him having a bit of a cry behind a tree at Monza after throwing it off the track. He wasn't even racing Michael for the Championship, and yet he made a completely unforced error while leading, something Alonso has yet to do. If and when Fernando commits the same mistake I think we can say he's lost it, but for now I'm just enjoying watching him deal with the pressure. The season has certainly come alive. :D
er... I think you misread that article. It was Fisi who stomped off to the motorhome after the race while Fernando hung around for the press.[/QUOTE]
Lest we not forget the king of crying...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whG8sDcrMG0[/url]
There's a lot of pressure in this sport.
er... I think you misread that article. It was Fisi who stomped off to the motorhome after the race while Fernando hung around for the press.[/QUOTE]
Lest we not forget the king of crying...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whG8sDcrMG0[/url]
There's a lot of pressure in this sport.
| KAX | 08-04-2006 05:47 PM |
wow. . .
for some reason Ralf sounds like Ewan McGregor in that video.
for some reason Ralf sounds like Ewan McGregor in that video.
| meebs | 08-04-2006 06:00 PM |
[QUOTE=DILLIGAF Racing]I can't believe I forgot to tape this today. Guess I will have to catch it tonight.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYXx7ybEFpI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYXx7ybEFpI[/url]
| driggity | 08-04-2006 06:19 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYXx7ybEFpI[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, that was pretty bad.
Well, that was pretty bad.
| JoD | 08-04-2006 06:23 PM |
ROFLMAO!!!
I just lost it when they threw him the towel from off camera. I had to close it after that...
Sorry... I know... It's a big deal.... It just almost seems like it's staged it's so odd...
I just lost it when they threw him the towel from off camera. I had to close it after that...
Sorry... I know... It's a big deal.... It just almost seems like it's staged it's so odd...
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