| REX8 | 04-23-2006 05:32 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs]
Oh and let Ferrari's win be a lesson to the top teams that heavy fuel loads and qualifying mid pack are the lose.[/QUOTE]
:confused:
Did you watch F1 last year??? That very strategy has led to MANY wins.
Its a little more complicated that you make it appear to be.
What a dumb statement....
Oh and let Ferrari's win be a lesson to the top teams that heavy fuel loads and qualifying mid pack are the lose.[/QUOTE]
:confused:
Did you watch F1 last year??? That very strategy has led to MANY wins.
Its a little more complicated that you make it appear to be.
What a dumb statement....
| bitterWRX | 04-23-2006 05:49 PM |
For those griping about how annoying DD was, yeah he was. I much prefer the Speed presentation of F1. But as it was stated earlier, it's for people who just turn on the TV and were like "Whoa, I've heard of F1 before. Let's check it out." CBS doesn't usually broadcast F1 so they might as well take this opportunity and familiarize the rules with non F1 fans. But think about it this way... if more people begin to watch this sport, they will start broadcasting this on a regular basis, on the bigger networks, which would be cool for the people who don't have cable, and maybe this motorsport will get more popular here in the US. So bear with it. It could've been a lot worst.
[QUOTE=meebs]
Oh and let Ferrari's win be a lesson to the top teams that heavy fuel loads and qualifying mid pack are the lose.[/QUOTE]
:huh:
Your statement is the lose. Provide evidence not based on just this ONE race.
[QUOTE=meebs]
Oh and let Ferrari's win be a lesson to the top teams that heavy fuel loads and qualifying mid pack are the lose.[/QUOTE]
:huh:
Your statement is the lose. Provide evidence not based on just this ONE race.
| XenoWolf | 04-23-2006 05:53 PM |
I'm still wondering why they couldn't show the race live on Speed? Oh, that's right... because "NASCAR Tech" was on. :mad:
As a result I didn't get to watch it.
As a result I didn't get to watch it.
| StuBeck | 04-23-2006 05:59 PM |
I think DD was actually a bit better this year, he only made an ass of himself a few times rather then every single second. I was just more annoyed with the constant commercials and having the graphic stating where people were which covered up half the screen.
| Chromer | 04-23-2006 06:04 PM |
Thank you CBS for carrying this. I don't/can't get Speed. Very entertaining race watching Alonso catch up, push, go too far, and try again lap after lap afer lap until his team reined him in after that near-off. Was Michael losing his brakes from about 1/2 race distance?
Remember that the host broadcaster was Italian TV. OF COURSE they're going to show Ferrari's non-stop. Especially when one is in the lead.
I do sometimes wonder if there are any announcers good enough for you guys.
Remember that the host broadcaster was Italian TV. OF COURSE they're going to show Ferrari's non-stop. Especially when one is in the lead.
I do sometimes wonder if there are any announcers good enough for you guys.
| nick735 | 04-23-2006 06:09 PM |
Im more than happy with the announcers on Speed. :)
| Ferg | 04-23-2006 06:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Chromer]Was Michael losing his brakes from about 1/2 race distance?
[/QUOTE]
According to Michael he had a graining issue with his second set of tires, which allowed Alonso to close the gap.
His third set were fine apparently.
[/QUOTE]
According to Michael he had a graining issue with his second set of tires, which allowed Alonso to close the gap.
His third set were fine apparently.
| Ferg | 04-23-2006 06:12 PM |
Since CBS cut it off, here's the post race transcript.
[QUOTE]Post-race press conference - Imola
Sunday, April 23rd 2006, 16:29 GMT
TV Unilaterals
Q. Michael, it's been a while since we've see you conducting the Italian national anthem on the podium. How does it feel?
Michael Schumacher: Yeah, great. What else can you say? We had an amazing weekend. We've had a lot of work. We made some mistakes in the last races, very obviously, and to come here and perform the way we performed - although there was obviously some struggle at some moments � but in general, over the weekend, we were very competitive and that's thanks to a lot of us, our many partners, starting with Shell who came up with a completely new fuel, some more horsepower; Bridgestone working very hard on the tyre side and obviously the team itself with new bits for the cars. On the engine, there has been a big push from everybody and as you say, that's the result and it paid off.
Q. Great start from the pole, great first stint and then it looked as if you had to work very hard to sustain the pressure from Fernando. What was the car like at two thirds of the race?
MS: It started off OK after my first pit stop and then I ran into some trouble, I don't know what it is, we obviously have to check the car. It was some graining but not a big issue, honestly, but the car never came back (improved) and never really performed as it was in the beginning and it was quite a bit of a struggle, but luckily this is a circuit where we know from another year � last year � that overtaking is almost impossible unless you make a mistake so obviously you study who is behind and in that case it was Fernando, and where are the moments where it could get critical, and to prepare yourself just for those areas and it worked out.
Q. And of course, it was the reverse from last year. What was the traffic situation like for you today?
MS: Pretty good. No complaints, the guys did a good job out there.
Q. Fernando, you were looking very strong in that second stint; sliced into Michael's lead and then just stuck behind him for the rest of the race:
Fernando Alonso: Yeah. It's true that I arrived quite quickly to him but then, as Michael said, here it's very difficult to overtake, nearly impossible if there is no mistake. Michael didn't make any mistake so I just waited for my opportunity and at the end it didn't come. But I'm happy. We qualified with much more fuel than the others, obviously, and we assumed that that was the right thing to do.
In normal circumstances, on a normal circuit, we should win the race. Also we didn't plan to make the second pit stop on that lap, we came in much earlier just to try to overtake Michael and it didn't work � maybe the opposite. Maybe I should have waited until my normal pit stop, maybe that would have worked better. But who knows? I think this eight points is better for me. Second in the championship were Kimi and Fisichella and I took another four or five points off them, so championship-wise it was a perfect result.
Q. We saw you run a little bit wide out of the second chicane with three laps to go, what was the car like at that phase of the race?
FA: Well, on the limit. I think Michael was very slow in the second stint but not so slow in the third stint. I think the last set of tyres again worked quite well for them and it was not so easy to be behind him and try to overtake, so I really pushed, with five laps to go, just to try to overtake him. I was able to use all the revs in the engine etc, I tried hard. When I saw it was not possible I just went down a little bit and as I said, it was a risk moment and I thought it wasn't the right time to risk any more.
Q. Juan Pablo, congratulations to you, a strong drive after your problems in practice yesterday, leading your teammate and Felipe Massa in the Ferrari.
Juan Pablo Montoya: I think it was good. I had a really quick start. I went onto the inside of Fernando, I think he went to try to pass a BAR (Honda) so I had to lift and I lost a couple of places there when I backed off but on and off it was a really good race. I think we did a lot of work over the last couple of weeks and I think we're going in the right direction.
I think our car performance wasn't as good as we expected. As you saw, we had a lot of fuel in the car as well. I think it was good, we passed a lot of people and everything and I think we had a really good car to fight for the lead but when I got to third I was 13 seconds behind. What can you do, you're too far behind.
Q. And the pressure from Felipe in those closing stages?
JPM: I was pretty much cruising to be honest.
Q. Michael, returning to you. After a great start in the first race, a couple of problematic races as you said, now the championship for you is well and truly alive.
MS: Yeah. It hadn't really gone away, honestly, even with two difficult races, but points-wise it's looking two points better now, but there's a long way to go.
Press Conference
Q. Michael, a sunny afternoon, an adoring crowd, victory; do Sunday afternoons get any better?
MS: No, certainly not. That's the maximum you can have.
Q. Everything seemed to go pretty well today, even off the grid. We saw your guys doing a major clean-up operation...
MS: Yes, there was some incident this morning so there was oil on my grid position, so that's what was going on, removing the oil.
Q. And did it feel OK?
MS: It felt pretty slippery initially, to pull away, but probably I cleaned enough off to be OK. It finally worked OK.
Q. How hard was Fernando pushing, or was it a matter of controlling, or a bit of both?
MS: In a way it was similar to what it was last year honestly, because you had very little opportunities, and if you close the door and you do the job in the right way then you don't give a chance, really, to the driver behind. In the middle stint, I had to work a bit harder and in the final stint I just drove the car at a nice limit, not to over-push anything and just controlled what was necessary.
Q. I think all the cynics in here remembered the irony of last year.
MS: Yes, it was funny, just the other way around in a way. Interesting.
Q. You mentioned the graining of the tyres in the second stint; did you have it also at the start of the third?
MS: No, I obviously drove in a way that this wouldn't happen. Obviously Fernando was behind me, so all I had to do was keep him behind me, whereas in the second stint, I really needed to keep the race alive and it was a different way to attack.
But that wasn't really the issue honestly, why we went so slowly sometimes and even at the end we were probably not as competitive as we were initially, so we have to look at the car to see what happened, because you ride very heavily over the kerbs so it's easy that something might not be at 100 percent as it was before the race.
Q. Fernando, I guess the irony is not lost on you.
FA: Yes, it was something similar. As last year, it is very difficult to overtake here - nearly impossible, so not bad for trying to stay in front. I was waiting for the opportunity, but it didn't come. So, I tried to push Michael as hard as I could. The second pit-stop was the time to overtake him. We took a risk to come a few laps earlier than planned just to overtake him.
I'm sorry they copied the strategy � a lap later they came in and got a better position � so it was a good day for them. As far as me being competitive, this track was never a good track for us, but we were still the fastest car on the track today so I am very confident for the next races and the championship � it looks a little bit better because Kimi and Fisichella were second in the championship and they are behind me by six points, so it's a positive result for me and the championship.
Q. What happened on lap 59 when you lost a couple of seconds? It looked like you hit a kerb and went wide on the outside.
FA: Yeah, I hit the kerb in turn five and I pushed hard to make up for this time loss and then went wide in the Variante Alta again, so, we had to lose. Too much risk with eight points after 30 laps of trying to throw that result away.
Q. It looked as though you got very close at Tosa every time, but maybe you were losing downforce?
FA: No, the downforce lost was not too much � it was not too difficult to follow him in the corners, but on the straights, there was nothing to do (about Michael).
Q. Juan Pablo Montoya � you must be pleased with the tactics that brought you up to third.
JPM: I think I had a really good start and it was a shame because it was probably the quickest start of all, but I came down the inside of Fernando and he came across so I decided to lift rather than hit him because I needed the points. Having so much fuel didn't matter - I was stuck behind Ralf (Schumacher) in the first stint, and when he pitted, I pushed hard for a couple of laps until my stop and from there on in it was the same thing.
Like Fernando said, the Ferraris had so much more top speed than me, that there was no way to pass them unless Massa made a mistake, and Massa was the same as Ralf so when he pitted I pushed, passed him, and then there was 13 second to Fernando so there was no point to push and I just maintained the gap to Massa and that was it. I think it was pretty good. We changed a lot on the car from last week from the Barcelona test � we did a lot of work there and did a lot of work in the factory as well. I'm very happy with that.
Q. You were controlling it at the end?
JPM: I wasn't even pushing, so it was good. I was pretty comfortable.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Post-race press conference - Imola
Sunday, April 23rd 2006, 16:29 GMT
TV Unilaterals
Q. Michael, it's been a while since we've see you conducting the Italian national anthem on the podium. How does it feel?
Michael Schumacher: Yeah, great. What else can you say? We had an amazing weekend. We've had a lot of work. We made some mistakes in the last races, very obviously, and to come here and perform the way we performed - although there was obviously some struggle at some moments � but in general, over the weekend, we were very competitive and that's thanks to a lot of us, our many partners, starting with Shell who came up with a completely new fuel, some more horsepower; Bridgestone working very hard on the tyre side and obviously the team itself with new bits for the cars. On the engine, there has been a big push from everybody and as you say, that's the result and it paid off.
Q. Great start from the pole, great first stint and then it looked as if you had to work very hard to sustain the pressure from Fernando. What was the car like at two thirds of the race?
MS: It started off OK after my first pit stop and then I ran into some trouble, I don't know what it is, we obviously have to check the car. It was some graining but not a big issue, honestly, but the car never came back (improved) and never really performed as it was in the beginning and it was quite a bit of a struggle, but luckily this is a circuit where we know from another year � last year � that overtaking is almost impossible unless you make a mistake so obviously you study who is behind and in that case it was Fernando, and where are the moments where it could get critical, and to prepare yourself just for those areas and it worked out.
Q. And of course, it was the reverse from last year. What was the traffic situation like for you today?
MS: Pretty good. No complaints, the guys did a good job out there.
Q. Fernando, you were looking very strong in that second stint; sliced into Michael's lead and then just stuck behind him for the rest of the race:
Fernando Alonso: Yeah. It's true that I arrived quite quickly to him but then, as Michael said, here it's very difficult to overtake, nearly impossible if there is no mistake. Michael didn't make any mistake so I just waited for my opportunity and at the end it didn't come. But I'm happy. We qualified with much more fuel than the others, obviously, and we assumed that that was the right thing to do.
In normal circumstances, on a normal circuit, we should win the race. Also we didn't plan to make the second pit stop on that lap, we came in much earlier just to try to overtake Michael and it didn't work � maybe the opposite. Maybe I should have waited until my normal pit stop, maybe that would have worked better. But who knows? I think this eight points is better for me. Second in the championship were Kimi and Fisichella and I took another four or five points off them, so championship-wise it was a perfect result.
Q. We saw you run a little bit wide out of the second chicane with three laps to go, what was the car like at that phase of the race?
FA: Well, on the limit. I think Michael was very slow in the second stint but not so slow in the third stint. I think the last set of tyres again worked quite well for them and it was not so easy to be behind him and try to overtake, so I really pushed, with five laps to go, just to try to overtake him. I was able to use all the revs in the engine etc, I tried hard. When I saw it was not possible I just went down a little bit and as I said, it was a risk moment and I thought it wasn't the right time to risk any more.
Q. Juan Pablo, congratulations to you, a strong drive after your problems in practice yesterday, leading your teammate and Felipe Massa in the Ferrari.
Juan Pablo Montoya: I think it was good. I had a really quick start. I went onto the inside of Fernando, I think he went to try to pass a BAR (Honda) so I had to lift and I lost a couple of places there when I backed off but on and off it was a really good race. I think we did a lot of work over the last couple of weeks and I think we're going in the right direction.
I think our car performance wasn't as good as we expected. As you saw, we had a lot of fuel in the car as well. I think it was good, we passed a lot of people and everything and I think we had a really good car to fight for the lead but when I got to third I was 13 seconds behind. What can you do, you're too far behind.
Q. And the pressure from Felipe in those closing stages?
JPM: I was pretty much cruising to be honest.
Q. Michael, returning to you. After a great start in the first race, a couple of problematic races as you said, now the championship for you is well and truly alive.
MS: Yeah. It hadn't really gone away, honestly, even with two difficult races, but points-wise it's looking two points better now, but there's a long way to go.
Press Conference
Q. Michael, a sunny afternoon, an adoring crowd, victory; do Sunday afternoons get any better?
MS: No, certainly not. That's the maximum you can have.
Q. Everything seemed to go pretty well today, even off the grid. We saw your guys doing a major clean-up operation...
MS: Yes, there was some incident this morning so there was oil on my grid position, so that's what was going on, removing the oil.
Q. And did it feel OK?
MS: It felt pretty slippery initially, to pull away, but probably I cleaned enough off to be OK. It finally worked OK.
Q. How hard was Fernando pushing, or was it a matter of controlling, or a bit of both?
MS: In a way it was similar to what it was last year honestly, because you had very little opportunities, and if you close the door and you do the job in the right way then you don't give a chance, really, to the driver behind. In the middle stint, I had to work a bit harder and in the final stint I just drove the car at a nice limit, not to over-push anything and just controlled what was necessary.
Q. I think all the cynics in here remembered the irony of last year.
MS: Yes, it was funny, just the other way around in a way. Interesting.
Q. You mentioned the graining of the tyres in the second stint; did you have it also at the start of the third?
MS: No, I obviously drove in a way that this wouldn't happen. Obviously Fernando was behind me, so all I had to do was keep him behind me, whereas in the second stint, I really needed to keep the race alive and it was a different way to attack.
But that wasn't really the issue honestly, why we went so slowly sometimes and even at the end we were probably not as competitive as we were initially, so we have to look at the car to see what happened, because you ride very heavily over the kerbs so it's easy that something might not be at 100 percent as it was before the race.
Q. Fernando, I guess the irony is not lost on you.
FA: Yes, it was something similar. As last year, it is very difficult to overtake here - nearly impossible, so not bad for trying to stay in front. I was waiting for the opportunity, but it didn't come. So, I tried to push Michael as hard as I could. The second pit-stop was the time to overtake him. We took a risk to come a few laps earlier than planned just to overtake him.
I'm sorry they copied the strategy � a lap later they came in and got a better position � so it was a good day for them. As far as me being competitive, this track was never a good track for us, but we were still the fastest car on the track today so I am very confident for the next races and the championship � it looks a little bit better because Kimi and Fisichella were second in the championship and they are behind me by six points, so it's a positive result for me and the championship.
Q. What happened on lap 59 when you lost a couple of seconds? It looked like you hit a kerb and went wide on the outside.
FA: Yeah, I hit the kerb in turn five and I pushed hard to make up for this time loss and then went wide in the Variante Alta again, so, we had to lose. Too much risk with eight points after 30 laps of trying to throw that result away.
Q. It looked as though you got very close at Tosa every time, but maybe you were losing downforce?
FA: No, the downforce lost was not too much � it was not too difficult to follow him in the corners, but on the straights, there was nothing to do (about Michael).
Q. Juan Pablo Montoya � you must be pleased with the tactics that brought you up to third.
JPM: I think I had a really good start and it was a shame because it was probably the quickest start of all, but I came down the inside of Fernando and he came across so I decided to lift rather than hit him because I needed the points. Having so much fuel didn't matter - I was stuck behind Ralf (Schumacher) in the first stint, and when he pitted, I pushed hard for a couple of laps until my stop and from there on in it was the same thing.
Like Fernando said, the Ferraris had so much more top speed than me, that there was no way to pass them unless Massa made a mistake, and Massa was the same as Ralf so when he pitted I pushed, passed him, and then there was 13 second to Fernando so there was no point to push and I just maintained the gap to Massa and that was it. I think it was pretty good. We changed a lot on the car from last week from the Barcelona test � we did a lot of work there and did a lot of work in the factory as well. I'm very happy with that.
Q. You were controlling it at the end?
JPM: I wasn't even pushing, so it was good. I was pretty comfortable.[/QUOTE]
| JoD | 04-23-2006 07:04 PM |
I have one word for today...
Painful.
Painful.
| Chiketkd | 04-23-2006 07:24 PM |
Hooray for Schumi!!! :cool:
| OnTheGas | 04-23-2006 07:33 PM |
Ferrari Got Game!
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Nice to see Ferrari, and Bridgestone bring themselves back into the game.
I wonder if Fernando was carrying more fuel than Michael in the 2nd stint. If Fernando had more fuel, then he would have won today if he had waited it out behind Michael until Michael pitted. Then FA could have blitzed some quick times, refueled, and come out in the lead for the win.
I have to agree with DD that this track sucks. Either Imola ought to create a couple of passing areas or FIA should just give up on this track, and pull F1 off of it. :(
I wonder if Fernando was carrying more fuel than Michael in the 2nd stint. If Fernando had more fuel, then he would have won today if he had waited it out behind Michael until Michael pitted. Then FA could have blitzed some quick times, refueled, and come out in the lead for the win.
I have to agree with DD that this track sucks. Either Imola ought to create a couple of passing areas or FIA should just give up on this track, and pull F1 off of it. :(
| Chiketkd | 04-23-2006 07:42 PM |
Final Standings...
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Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 62 1:31:06.486 1 10
2 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 62 +2.0 secs 5 8
3 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 62 +15.8 secs 7 6
4 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 62 +17.0 secs 4 5
5 3 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 62 +17.5 secs 8 4
6 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 62 +37.7 secs 10 3
7 12 Jenson Button Honda 62 +39.6 secs 2 2
8 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 62 +40.2 secs 11 1
9 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 62 +45.5 secs 6
10 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 62 +77.8 secs 3
11 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 62 +79.6 secs 13
12 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 62 +82.3 secs 12
13 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 61 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 16
15 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 18
16 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 60 +2 Laps 19
Ret 14 David Coulthard RBR-Ferrari 47 Driveshaft 14
Ret 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 44 +18 Laps 21
Ret 15 Christian Klien RBR-Ferrari 40 Hydraulics 17
Ret 23 Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 33 +39 Laps 22
Ret 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 5 Steering 9
Ret 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 Accident 20
1 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 62 1:31:06.486 1 10
2 1 Fernando Alonso Renault 62 +2.0 secs 5 8
3 4 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 62 +15.8 secs 7 6
4 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 62 +17.0 secs 4 5
5 3 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 62 +17.5 secs 8 4
6 9 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 62 +37.7 secs 10 3
7 12 Jenson Button Honda 62 +39.6 secs 2 2
8 2 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 62 +40.2 secs 11 1
9 7 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 62 +45.5 secs 6
10 11 Rubens Barrichello Honda 62 +77.8 secs 3
11 10 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 62 +79.6 secs 13
12 17 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 62 +82.3 secs 12
13 16 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 61 +1 Lap 15
14 20 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 16
15 21 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 61 +1 Lap 18
16 18 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 60 +2 Laps 19
Ret 14 David Coulthard RBR-Ferrari 47 Driveshaft 14
Ret 22 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 44 +18 Laps 21
Ret 15 Christian Klien RBR-Ferrari 40 Hydraulics 17
Ret 23 Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 33 +39 Laps 22
Ret 8 Jarno Trulli Toyota 5 Steering 9
Ret 19 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 Accident 20
| finnRex | 04-23-2006 07:42 PM |
OnTheGas, I don't think they'll ever pull Imola off F1. They have to play favorites to Ferrari, and what better way to play favorites than to put a race in Ferrari's playground? And have other teams pay them, and to have rules set up to favor Ferrari....
Mika
Mika
| Ferg | 04-23-2006 07:58 PM |
Next year should be better if they follow thru on removing Variante Bassa.
Here are the revised drivers and constructor standings.
[QUOTE]
1 Fernando Alonso 36
2 M.Schumacher 21
3 Kimi R�ikk�nen 18
4 G.Fisichella 15
5 J.P.Montoya 15
6 Jenson Button 13
7 Felipe Massa 9
8 Ralf Schumacher 7
9 Mark Webber 6
10 Nick Heidfeld 5
11 J.Villeneuve 5
12 R.Barrichello 2
13 Nico Rosberg 2
14 David Coulthard 1
15 Christian Klien 1
16 Scott Speed 0
17 Jarno Trulli 0
18 V.Liuzzi 0
19 Christijan Albers 0
20 Takuma Sato 0
21 Tiago Monteiro 0
22 Yuji Ide 0
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
1 Renault 51
2 McLaren/Mercedes 33
3 Ferrari 30
4 Honda 15
5 BMW Sauber 10
6 Williams/Cosworth 8
7 Toyota 7
8 Red Bull/Ferrari 2
9 Toro Rosso/Cosworth
10 Midland/Toyota 0
11 Super Aguri/Honda 0
[/QUOTE]
Here are the revised drivers and constructor standings.
[QUOTE]
1 Fernando Alonso 36
2 M.Schumacher 21
3 Kimi R�ikk�nen 18
4 G.Fisichella 15
5 J.P.Montoya 15
6 Jenson Button 13
7 Felipe Massa 9
8 Ralf Schumacher 7
9 Mark Webber 6
10 Nick Heidfeld 5
11 J.Villeneuve 5
12 R.Barrichello 2
13 Nico Rosberg 2
14 David Coulthard 1
15 Christian Klien 1
16 Scott Speed 0
17 Jarno Trulli 0
18 V.Liuzzi 0
19 Christijan Albers 0
20 Takuma Sato 0
21 Tiago Monteiro 0
22 Yuji Ide 0
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
1 Renault 51
2 McLaren/Mercedes 33
3 Ferrari 30
4 Honda 15
5 BMW Sauber 10
6 Williams/Cosworth 8
7 Toyota 7
8 Red Bull/Ferrari 2
9 Toro Rosso/Cosworth
10 Midland/Toyota 0
11 Super Aguri/Honda 0
[/QUOTE]
| JoD | 04-23-2006 09:20 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]OnTheGas, I don't think they'll ever pull Imola off F1. They have to play favorites to Ferrari, and what better way to play favorites than to put a race in Ferrari's playground? And have other teams pay them, and to have rules set up to favor Ferrari..[/QUOTE]
God love ya Mika... :lol:
Why is Metallica's "Sad but True" popping into my head right now?? ;)
God love ya Mika... :lol:
Why is Metallica's "Sad but True" popping into my head right now?? ;)
| KAX | 04-23-2006 09:38 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]
:huh:
Your statement is the lose. Provide evidence not based on just this ONE race.[/QUOTE]
every single race so far this year basically with McLaren. except the first race where kimi crashed, he ran on higher fuel loads and guess what.... didnt win. Especially on a track like this or Monaco, they know its hard to pass so they need the track position at the start. Also like Hobbs said in Bahrain when Kimi was knocked out, qualifying with a heavy fuel loads can result in just that stuck in between a bunch of cars with limit space on the track, not hard to get hit.
:huh:
Your statement is the lose. Provide evidence not based on just this ONE race.[/QUOTE]
every single race so far this year basically with McLaren. except the first race where kimi crashed, he ran on higher fuel loads and guess what.... didnt win. Especially on a track like this or Monaco, they know its hard to pass so they need the track position at the start. Also like Hobbs said in Bahrain when Kimi was knocked out, qualifying with a heavy fuel loads can result in just that stuck in between a bunch of cars with limit space on the track, not hard to get hit.
| finnRex | 04-23-2006 09:42 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD]God love ya Mika... :lol:
Why is Metallica's "Sad but True" popping into my head right now?? ;)[/QUOTE]
I just call 'em how I see 'em. And when Ferrari isn't denying any of it either, it makes it all the more true;).
*sigh* Maybe I should switch alliances to Renault;).
Mika
Why is Metallica's "Sad but True" popping into my head right now?? ;)[/QUOTE]
I just call 'em how I see 'em. And when Ferrari isn't denying any of it either, it makes it all the more true;).
*sigh* Maybe I should switch alliances to Renault;).
Mika
| bemani | 04-23-2006 09:52 PM |
Damn, can someone confirm that Yuji Ide isn't driving in F1 anymore? Better that than eventually seeing him kill somebody...
| Chiketkd | 04-23-2006 09:57 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Damn, can someone confirm that Yuji Ide isn't driving in F1 anymore? Better that than eventually seeing him kill somebody...[/QUOTE]
+1 That dude can't drive and doesn't deserve a seat in F1
+1 That dude can't drive and doesn't deserve a seat in F1
| KAX | 04-23-2006 10:05 PM |
[QUOTE]Q. And the pressure from Felipe in those closing stages?
JPM: I was pretty much cruising to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Haha! proof JPM cruises sometimes :p
(with reference to the big Kimi vs JPM thread a few months ago)
JPM: I was pretty much cruising to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Haha! proof JPM cruises sometimes :p
(with reference to the big Kimi vs JPM thread a few months ago)
| Ferg | 04-23-2006 10:34 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Damn, can someone confirm that Yuji Ide isn't driving in F1 anymore? Better that than eventually seeing him kill somebody...[/QUOTE]
There's been nothing official yet, at least not through the usual media. He did get reprimanded by the stewards for his contact with Albers, but that's all so far.
I'm just wondering if his team has bothered to fit him with a proper seat yet :rolleyes:
There's been nothing official yet, at least not through the usual media. He did get reprimanded by the stewards for his contact with Albers, but that's all so far.
I'm just wondering if his team has bothered to fit him with a proper seat yet :rolleyes:
| gellar | 04-23-2006 11:06 PM |
I caught the end of the race "live" this morning and just tried to watch my recorded copy on TiVo. I cannot stand CBS' coverage, particularly knowing how much better Speed's coverage is. I gave up about 10 laps into it... I'll catch the replay on Speed next weekend. I am pissed that CBS has Monaco though... that's my favorite and I'd rather not wait a week just so I can watch it without wanting to claw my ears off.
| artkevin | 04-24-2006 12:09 AM |
I hope CBS drops in a on a few furoms such as this to see how much we don't like the coverage. Its strange because I don't mind DD so much on Champ Car Races and Ralph didn't bother me when he did WRC but put those two together and I want to stab myself in the ears.
Someone asked earlier why Speed can't show it at the same time too. That would mean that only the noobs to F1 would watch it on CBS. Pretty much everyone here would watch it on Speed so CBS would be losing their base fan support.
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted.
Ahh Monday morning quarterbacking!
Someone asked earlier why Speed can't show it at the same time too. That would mean that only the noobs to F1 would watch it on CBS. Pretty much everyone here would watch it on Speed so CBS would be losing their base fan support.
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted.
Ahh Monday morning quarterbacking!
| KAX | 04-24-2006 12:51 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted.
Ahh Monday morning quarterbacking![/QUOTE]
yeh, that was a bit confusing. Its not like he needed to get passed him to catch someone else, it was just michael between him and the win. idk how it would happen, but maybe he was burning off more fuel then he should have? doesnt seem logical, but you never know.
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted.
Ahh Monday morning quarterbacking![/QUOTE]
yeh, that was a bit confusing. Its not like he needed to get passed him to catch someone else, it was just michael between him and the win. idk how it would happen, but maybe he was burning off more fuel then he should have? doesnt seem logical, but you never know.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 01:44 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Someone asked earlier why Speed can't show it at the same time too. That would mean that only the noobs to F1 would watch it on CBS. Pretty much everyone here would watch it on Speed so CBS would be losing their base fan support.[/QUOTE]
...or because CBS != News Corporation :huh:
-Matt
...or because CBS != News Corporation :huh:
-Matt
| driggity | 04-24-2006 04:36 AM |
Hmm, I thought that the coverage of this race was better than what Speed normally does. Although that may have something to do with watching it on ITV and not CBS. The amount of post race interviews and commentary was fantastic. It was very interesting that Ron Dennis was going on and on about Kimi and how he should have outqualified Alonso and won the race, but only briefly mentioned Montoya. And boy was Jenson frustrated after the race.
[QUOTE=KAX]every single race so far this year basically with McLaren. except the first race where kimi crashed, he ran on higher fuel loads and guess what.... didnt win. Especially on a track like this or Monaco, they know its hard to pass so they need the track position at the start. Also like Hobbs said in Bahrain when Kimi was knocked out, qualifying with a heavy fuel loads can result in just that stuck in between a bunch of cars with limit space on the track, not hard to get hit.[/QUOTE]
The ITV commentators were actually talking about this quite a bit and saying how being able to run for a longer time isn't that useful if you're slowed down so much by traffic early in the race which seems to be how things have been playing out so far this year.
[QUOTE=KAX]every single race so far this year basically with McLaren. except the first race where kimi crashed, he ran on higher fuel loads and guess what.... didnt win. Especially on a track like this or Monaco, they know its hard to pass so they need the track position at the start. Also like Hobbs said in Bahrain when Kimi was knocked out, qualifying with a heavy fuel loads can result in just that stuck in between a bunch of cars with limit space on the track, not hard to get hit.[/QUOTE]
The ITV commentators were actually talking about this quite a bit and saying how being able to run for a longer time isn't that useful if you're slowed down so much by traffic early in the race which seems to be how things have been playing out so far this year.
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 08:51 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX]Haha! proof JPM cruises sometimes :p
(with reference to the big Kimi vs JPM thread a few months ago)[/QUOTE]
Yes, but if you would have read anything else post race...you would know Ron Dennis instructed him to cruise due to engine temperatures above normal.
He was ordered not to push to save the car. Keep trying though!
More importantly...
There is virtually no way to pass a quick car on that track...given that, he had to cruise behind Massa in order to pass him through the Pit rotations.
He drove hard when he had to. You think it would be a good idea with 18 laps to go, with a 15+ second gap back to the leaders, he should have been driving 10/10ths??? :huh: :huh: :huh:
That was what everyone was complaining about it that last thread....JPM doing stupid things when he didn't have to, and not helping out his team.
Now he does the right thing, goes mistake free, gets the points and you wanted him to push??? Make up your mind!
(with reference to the big Kimi vs JPM thread a few months ago)[/QUOTE]
Yes, but if you would have read anything else post race...you would know Ron Dennis instructed him to cruise due to engine temperatures above normal.
He was ordered not to push to save the car. Keep trying though!
More importantly...
There is virtually no way to pass a quick car on that track...given that, he had to cruise behind Massa in order to pass him through the Pit rotations.
He drove hard when he had to. You think it would be a good idea with 18 laps to go, with a 15+ second gap back to the leaders, he should have been driving 10/10ths??? :huh: :huh: :huh:
That was what everyone was complaining about it that last thread....JPM doing stupid things when he didn't have to, and not helping out his team.
Now he does the right thing, goes mistake free, gets the points and you wanted him to push??? Make up your mind!
| StuBeck | 04-24-2006 09:25 AM |
Imola is one of the events which may be dropped. Although it may just be changed to the Euro GP if the plan for the two german events goes through (they'd alternate teh german gp every other year)
| Ferg | 04-24-2006 09:52 AM |
[QUOTE=driggity]Hmm, I thought that the coverage of this race was better than what Speed normally does. Although that may have something to do with watching it on ITV and not CBS. [/QUOTE]
You get ITV coverage!?!
That's it then, I'm coming over to your place for the rest of the season!
You get ITV coverage!?!
That's it then, I'm coming over to your place for the rest of the season!
| NYEJ25 | 04-24-2006 09:58 AM |
Ide should be fired. He is going to kill someone. I'm not going to jump on the CBS hating band wagon. I'm just glad a "Blue and Yellow car" didnt win this one. Good race, bad coverage.
Lets all get ready for Germany.
Lets all get ready for Germany.
| enduroshark | 04-24-2006 10:02 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]For those griping about how annoying DD was, yeah he was. I much prefer the Speed presentation of F1. But as it was stated earlier, it's for people who just turn on the TV and were like "Whoa, I've heard of F1 before. Let's check it out." CBS doesn't usually broadcast F1 so they might as well take this opportunity and familiarize the rules with non F1 fans. But think about it this way... if more people begin to watch this sport, they will start broadcasting this on a regular basis, on the bigger networks, which would be cool for the people who don't have cable, and maybe this motorsport will get more popular here in the US. So bear with it. It could've been a lot worst.
[/QUOTE]
Whatever. Other than these morons and the Olympics, no one ever announces sports for someone who is not familiar with the sport itself. If they have to explain everything over and over so that you might be interested enough, instead of being sold by the product itself, then maybe you shouldn't watch.
I mean, I love watching hockey. I don't know all the rules and they never explain them to me on TV, but what I see on TV, it looks really cool and I love to watch it.
They show NASCAR on TV for NASCAR fans. They should treat F1 fans with the same decency. Having the short-bus broadcasting experience is insulting.
[/QUOTE]
Whatever. Other than these morons and the Olympics, no one ever announces sports for someone who is not familiar with the sport itself. If they have to explain everything over and over so that you might be interested enough, instead of being sold by the product itself, then maybe you shouldn't watch.
I mean, I love watching hockey. I don't know all the rules and they never explain them to me on TV, but what I see on TV, it looks really cool and I love to watch it.
They show NASCAR on TV for NASCAR fans. They should treat F1 fans with the same decency. Having the short-bus broadcasting experience is insulting.
| jpsimon | 04-24-2006 10:04 AM |
just so you all know....
schumi is going to win at home at the ring, then be so pumped that he goes on to win at spain. Then we can do the hip thrust in alonso's girlfriends general direction.
schumi is going to win at home at the ring, then be so pumped that he goes on to win at spain. Then we can do the hip thrust in alonso's girlfriends general direction.
| Ferg | 04-24-2006 10:05 AM |
Here's some word on Ide's "future"
[QUOTE]Aguri to decide on Ide future soon
By Jonathan Noble Monday, April 24th 2006, 09:05 GMT
Super Aguri are set to hold meetings this week to decide whether to continue with Yuji Ide following another difficult weekend for the Japanese driver at Imola.
Ide qualified 1.7 seconds behind teammate Takuma Sato, and in the race the Japanese rookie was reprimanded by the Stewards after tipping Midland's Christijan Albers into a series of barrel-rolls on the first lap.
With Super Aguri admitting before the event that they wanted to use the San Marino Grand Prix as a better way of judging Ide's pace after his struggles in Australia, team boss Aguri Suzuki has conceded now that the team need to make a decision about whether to continue with Ide or not.
"My team is very new, and he had not had much testing before Bahrain," explained Suzuki. "After that it was very busy with the races, so he has not had enough testing because he doesn't understand how to use the car, or tyres, or things like that.
"Regarding his future, it is not decided. I want to continue to use him, but after this race we will have some meetings and then we will decide. Personally I want to continue to use Yuji, but it is not only my decision."
Suzuki refused to apportion blame for the opening lap accident, which caused suspension damage to Ide's car.
"It is very difficult to say," said Suzuki when asked for his opinion of the accident. "Drivers always give excuses, so I don't know."
Should Ide be dropped then it is most likely that another Japanese driver would need to be drafted into the team, because of the major push that Aguri has made to label the team an 'All Nippon' outfit.[/QUOTE]
Since they need another Japanese driver I'll be the first to suggest signing Keiichi "Dori Kin" Tsuchiya!
At least while he's running at the back he can entertain the crowd. :D
[QUOTE]Aguri to decide on Ide future soon
By Jonathan Noble Monday, April 24th 2006, 09:05 GMT
Super Aguri are set to hold meetings this week to decide whether to continue with Yuji Ide following another difficult weekend for the Japanese driver at Imola.
Ide qualified 1.7 seconds behind teammate Takuma Sato, and in the race the Japanese rookie was reprimanded by the Stewards after tipping Midland's Christijan Albers into a series of barrel-rolls on the first lap.
With Super Aguri admitting before the event that they wanted to use the San Marino Grand Prix as a better way of judging Ide's pace after his struggles in Australia, team boss Aguri Suzuki has conceded now that the team need to make a decision about whether to continue with Ide or not.
"My team is very new, and he had not had much testing before Bahrain," explained Suzuki. "After that it was very busy with the races, so he has not had enough testing because he doesn't understand how to use the car, or tyres, or things like that.
"Regarding his future, it is not decided. I want to continue to use him, but after this race we will have some meetings and then we will decide. Personally I want to continue to use Yuji, but it is not only my decision."
Suzuki refused to apportion blame for the opening lap accident, which caused suspension damage to Ide's car.
"It is very difficult to say," said Suzuki when asked for his opinion of the accident. "Drivers always give excuses, so I don't know."
Should Ide be dropped then it is most likely that another Japanese driver would need to be drafted into the team, because of the major push that Aguri has made to label the team an 'All Nippon' outfit.[/QUOTE]
Since they need another Japanese driver I'll be the first to suggest signing Keiichi "Dori Kin" Tsuchiya!
At least while he's running at the back he can entertain the crowd. :D
| jpsimon | 04-24-2006 10:12 AM |
also.. i thought it was pretty funny listening to the announcers try to define an F1 phrase or technical word... and use that same phrase or word in their definition.
| BriDrive | 04-24-2006 10:30 AM |
Still, all said and done, a really exciting race...Schumacher's 2nd stint had me predicting doom and defeat for Ferrari...Button's fiasco could have potentially led to another sad "stat" at Imola...the lollipop fella made a huge error!yikes!...
Did anyone catch the GrandAm Rolex at VIR? That had to be one of the most exciting finishes I have EVER seen....all I can is WOW! Awesome racing!
BriDrive
Did anyone catch the GrandAm Rolex at VIR? That had to be one of the most exciting finishes I have EVER seen....all I can is WOW! Awesome racing!
BriDrive
| Leonardo | 04-24-2006 10:36 AM |
Montoya podiumed! :banana:
| driggity | 04-24-2006 10:42 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]You get ITV coverage!?!
That's it then, I'm coming over to your place for the rest of the season![/QUOTE]
:lol: Next time I'm in Germany and there is a grand prix you're welcome to come along and help me track down a British expat that has Sky satellite service.
That's it then, I'm coming over to your place for the rest of the season![/QUOTE]
:lol: Next time I'm in Germany and there is a grand prix you're welcome to come along and help me track down a British expat that has Sky satellite service.
| OnTheGas | 04-24-2006 11:09 AM |
Well Earned Podium by Montoya
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[QUOTE=REX8]...Now he does the right thing, goes mistake free, gets the points and you wanted him to push??? Make up your mind![/QUOTE]Nice job by Montoya to overcome his fat fuel load at the starting line to make it on to the podium.
He was able to pass Massa during pit stops, (which isn't passing Schumacher, but still a Ferrari), to pull himself up onto the podium. And that illustrates the ITV commentators' point about McLaren imploying the wrong strategy at Imola...
This race was won on strategy, a nearly perfect race strategy by Ross Brawn @ Ferrari, vs. insufficient strategies at Renault and McLaren. Any of those three teams could have won Imola. Ferrari won on strategy despite Renault having the strongest car.
He was able to pass Massa during pit stops, (which isn't passing Schumacher, but still a Ferrari), to pull himself up onto the podium. And that illustrates the ITV commentators' point about McLaren imploying the wrong strategy at Imola...
This race was won on strategy, a nearly perfect race strategy by Ross Brawn @ Ferrari, vs. insufficient strategies at Renault and McLaren. Any of those three teams could have won Imola. Ferrari won on strategy despite Renault having the strongest car.
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 11:23 AM |
^^^Absolutely...
But McLaren didn't have the car to run with them on a low fuel load. They did the best they could with what they had...IMHO.
They were free to admit that they weren't as fast as they'd like to be.
Some guys on here are confusing McLaren using "the wrong strategy" without considering whether or not the car was fast enough.
They could have very well finished further back had they ran light...
Their engineers 100% knew what the car could do on a light load, and it wasn't enough to keep up, so they decided to go heavy.
Foolish people on here think they can skip the MASSIZE anaylsis that goes into that decision, and decide they would have done better on another trategy...KAX...talking about you. Did you see their practice times? They weren't close enough light on fuel. Not to mention tires...
But McLaren didn't have the car to run with them on a low fuel load. They did the best they could with what they had...IMHO.
They were free to admit that they weren't as fast as they'd like to be.
Some guys on here are confusing McLaren using "the wrong strategy" without considering whether or not the car was fast enough.
They could have very well finished further back had they ran light...
Their engineers 100% knew what the car could do on a light load, and it wasn't enough to keep up, so they decided to go heavy.
Foolish people on here think they can skip the MASSIZE anaylsis that goes into that decision, and decide they would have done better on another trategy...KAX...talking about you. Did you see their practice times? They weren't close enough light on fuel. Not to mention tires...
| Ferg | 04-24-2006 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=driggity]:lol: Next time I'm in Germany and there is a grand prix you're welcome to come along and help me track down a British expat that has Sky satellite service.[/QUOTE]
It's a deal! :p
It's a deal! :p
| Student Driver | 04-24-2006 12:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]
Since they need another Japanese driver I'll be the first to suggest signing Keiichi "Dori Kin" Tsuchiya!
At least while he's running at the back he can entertain the crowd. :D[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but then they would need to add:
- A brake light to the front of the car
- A ping-pong ball G-meter
- JDM front clip for the Arrows chassis
- A re-worked vinyl "livery" that has all the graphics in reverse down one side of the car
I don't think the chassis could take all that weight.
Since they need another Japanese driver I'll be the first to suggest signing Keiichi "Dori Kin" Tsuchiya!
At least while he's running at the back he can entertain the crowd. :D[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but then they would need to add:
- A brake light to the front of the car
- A ping-pong ball G-meter
- JDM front clip for the Arrows chassis
- A re-worked vinyl "livery" that has all the graphics in reverse down one side of the car
I don't think the chassis could take all that weight.
| StuBeck | 04-24-2006 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE=enduroshark]Whatever. Other than these morons and the Olympics, no one ever announces sports for someone who is not familiar with the sport itself. If they have to explain everything over and over so that you might be interested enough, instead of being sold by the product itself, then maybe you shouldn't watch.
I mean, I love watching hockey. I don't know all the rules and they never explain them to me on TV, but what I see on TV, it looks really cool and I love to watch it.
They show NASCAR on TV for NASCAR fans. They should treat F1 fans with the same decency. Having the short-bus broadcasting experience is insulting.[/QUOTE]
Have you watched a NASCAR race? Every race they explain what push, tight and loose are, about 12 times in the race. They explain stuff in hockey too, like how a particular play worked and how a defensive stance was executed.
I mean, I love watching hockey. I don't know all the rules and they never explain them to me on TV, but what I see on TV, it looks really cool and I love to watch it.
They show NASCAR on TV for NASCAR fans. They should treat F1 fans with the same decency. Having the short-bus broadcasting experience is insulting.[/QUOTE]
Have you watched a NASCAR race? Every race they explain what push, tight and loose are, about 12 times in the race. They explain stuff in hockey too, like how a particular play worked and how a defensive stance was executed.
| Chiketkd | 04-24-2006 01:01 PM |
Hooray for Schumi!!!!!!!!!
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| KAX | 04-24-2006 01:30 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Yes, but if you would have read anything else post race...you would know Ron Dennis instructed him to cruise due to engine temperatures above normal.
He was ordered not to push to save the car. Keep trying though!
More importantly...
There is virtually no way to pass a quick car on that track...given that, he had to cruise behind Massa in order to pass him through the Pit rotations.
He drove hard when he had to. You think it would be a good idea with 18 laps to go, with a 15+ second gap back to the leaders, he should have been driving 10/10ths??? :huh: :huh: :huh:
That was what everyone was complaining about it that last thread....JPM doing stupid things when he didn't have to, and not helping out his team.
Now he does the right thing, goes mistake free, gets the points and you wanted him to push??? Make up your mind![/QUOTE]
woah woah woah. i put the :p there cuz i was joking, calm yourself a bit, were on the same team here. Just cuz Kimi and JPM are kinda dueling doesnt mean Kimi and JPM fans have to. JPM is a good driver and he did exactly what he needed to, knew he couldnt push hard enough to get passed without risking a mistake and got the points. Had he pushed and lost it, then i would have been upset with him. Coming in third is no reason to be upset.
[QUOTE=REX8]^^^Absolutely...
But McLaren didn't have the car to run with them on a low fuel load. They did the best they could with what they had...IMHO.
They were free to admit that they weren't as fast as they'd like to be.
Some guys on here are confusing McLaren using "the wrong strategy" without considering whether or not the car was fast enough.
They could have very well finished further back had they ran light...
Their engineers 100% knew what the car could do on a light load, and it wasn't enough to keep up, so they decided to go heavy.
Foolish people on here think they can skip the MASSIZE anaylsis that goes into that decision, and decide they would have done better on another trategy...KAX...talking about you. Did you see their practice times? They weren't close enough light on fuel. Not to mention tires...[/QUOTE]
And you are misunderstanding me as well. Im only saying based on so far this year, and parts of last year, running in the middle of the pack at the start is not the best way to win, even with a fast car. Its great to come from the back and get a podium, but to win its harder. Its so much easier with a fast car to qualify first on the same load and run away with it (nurburgring and imola last year with Kimi before his problems, he would have won both of those).
However, ive never stated that had they ran light he would have qualified first. I honestly dont think they could have, theyre package isnt all that quick compared to ferrari and especially renault. Thats something the announcers havent figured out yet, everytime they qualify in the middle pack, the assume heavy loads, because thats the way it was last year, but everytime the Mclarens pit before the renaults, so its false. All im saying is that its a lot easier to win a race from the front then it is from the back, strictly strategy, non team specific.
He was ordered not to push to save the car. Keep trying though!
More importantly...
There is virtually no way to pass a quick car on that track...given that, he had to cruise behind Massa in order to pass him through the Pit rotations.
He drove hard when he had to. You think it would be a good idea with 18 laps to go, with a 15+ second gap back to the leaders, he should have been driving 10/10ths??? :huh: :huh: :huh:
That was what everyone was complaining about it that last thread....JPM doing stupid things when he didn't have to, and not helping out his team.
Now he does the right thing, goes mistake free, gets the points and you wanted him to push??? Make up your mind![/QUOTE]
woah woah woah. i put the :p there cuz i was joking, calm yourself a bit, were on the same team here. Just cuz Kimi and JPM are kinda dueling doesnt mean Kimi and JPM fans have to. JPM is a good driver and he did exactly what he needed to, knew he couldnt push hard enough to get passed without risking a mistake and got the points. Had he pushed and lost it, then i would have been upset with him. Coming in third is no reason to be upset.
[QUOTE=REX8]^^^Absolutely...
But McLaren didn't have the car to run with them on a low fuel load. They did the best they could with what they had...IMHO.
They were free to admit that they weren't as fast as they'd like to be.
Some guys on here are confusing McLaren using "the wrong strategy" without considering whether or not the car was fast enough.
They could have very well finished further back had they ran light...
Their engineers 100% knew what the car could do on a light load, and it wasn't enough to keep up, so they decided to go heavy.
Foolish people on here think they can skip the MASSIZE anaylsis that goes into that decision, and decide they would have done better on another trategy...KAX...talking about you. Did you see their practice times? They weren't close enough light on fuel. Not to mention tires...[/QUOTE]
And you are misunderstanding me as well. Im only saying based on so far this year, and parts of last year, running in the middle of the pack at the start is not the best way to win, even with a fast car. Its great to come from the back and get a podium, but to win its harder. Its so much easier with a fast car to qualify first on the same load and run away with it (nurburgring and imola last year with Kimi before his problems, he would have won both of those).
However, ive never stated that had they ran light he would have qualified first. I honestly dont think they could have, theyre package isnt all that quick compared to ferrari and especially renault. Thats something the announcers havent figured out yet, everytime they qualify in the middle pack, the assume heavy loads, because thats the way it was last year, but everytime the Mclarens pit before the renaults, so its false. All im saying is that its a lot easier to win a race from the front then it is from the back, strictly strategy, non team specific.
| enduroshark | 04-24-2006 02:45 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]Have you watched a NASCAR race? Every race they explain what push, tight and loose are, about 12 times in the race. They explain stuff in hockey too, like how a particular play worked and how a defensive stance was executed.[/QUOTE]
Explaining how a play worked is different. If they want to talk about what the strategies that each team might be running, that's fine with me. That's what they are there for. To enhance the viewing experience. Now, I don't think they go on every hockey game and mention what the puck is made of and how do they skate and stop, etc.
I have watched a few NASCAR races, but probably not one the whole way. It would annoy me just as much. If it doesn't annoy NASCAR fans, then that might explain something about me in contrast to NASCAR fans. Do they really broadcast each NASCAR race as if it was the first time ever NASCAR was on TV? Because that is the way CBS broadcasts F1.
Explaining how a play worked is different. If they want to talk about what the strategies that each team might be running, that's fine with me. That's what they are there for. To enhance the viewing experience. Now, I don't think they go on every hockey game and mention what the puck is made of and how do they skate and stop, etc.
I have watched a few NASCAR races, but probably not one the whole way. It would annoy me just as much. If it doesn't annoy NASCAR fans, then that might explain something about me in contrast to NASCAR fans. Do they really broadcast each NASCAR race as if it was the first time ever NASCAR was on TV? Because that is the way CBS broadcasts F1.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 03:06 PM |
Here's an idea: Just watch the race on MUTE. Problem solved, everyone is happy! :rolleyes:
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 03:15 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]Here's an idea: Just watch the race on MUTE. Problem solved, everyone is happy! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%....although we still only would've seen the front runners...
Sorry KAX...we're all good.
I agree 100%....although we still only would've seen the front runners...
Sorry KAX...we're all good.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]I agree 100%....although we still only would've seen the front runners...[/QUOTE]
Well that's not CBS's fault. You can blame Italian TV for that.
-Matt
Well that's not CBS's fault. You can blame Italian TV for that.
-Matt
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 03:42 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]Well that's not CBS's fault. You can blame Italian TV for that.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
True...
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss!
-Matt[/QUOTE]
True...
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss!
| KAX | 04-24-2006 04:00 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]True...
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss![/QUOTE]
yeh, both parties were somewhat at fault, but for the most part it was the italian television. theyre so hung up on ferrari they dont want anyone to watch anything else, especially if they are leading. they also must have forgotten ferrari has two cars...
for the NASCAR thing, its not like they act as if every race is the first, but im sure they know their audience is expanding, so they need to clarify things every race for the new guys. Imagine someone walking into a class every 15 minutes in high school or a lower form of education, the teacher has to stop and repeat the jist of what was taught before, everytime someone new comes in. Its kinda like that, everytime its less and less extensive, but a general recap of the terms.
If this CBS coverage really does work, and more people get into F1, then i wont mind it all. they just need to not repeat it everytime it happens.
btw, no worries.
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss![/QUOTE]
yeh, both parties were somewhat at fault, but for the most part it was the italian television. theyre so hung up on ferrari they dont want anyone to watch anything else, especially if they are leading. they also must have forgotten ferrari has two cars...
for the NASCAR thing, its not like they act as if every race is the first, but im sure they know their audience is expanding, so they need to clarify things every race for the new guys. Imagine someone walking into a class every 15 minutes in high school or a lower form of education, the teacher has to stop and repeat the jist of what was taught before, everytime someone new comes in. Its kinda like that, everytime its less and less extensive, but a general recap of the terms.
If this CBS coverage really does work, and more people get into F1, then i wont mind it all. they just need to not repeat it everytime it happens.
btw, no worries.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 04:32 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]True...
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss![/QUOTE]
The laptimes/intervals are also provided by the host's video feed. All CBS provided was the commentary and the montages.
-Matt
But they still didn't display any laptimes/intervals or, heck, sometimes there was 10-20 minutes between when they displayed the positions for the rest of the field.
And if that was Italian T.V. too, then they also are teh loss![/QUOTE]
The laptimes/intervals are also provided by the host's video feed. All CBS provided was the commentary and the montages.
-Matt
| artkevin | 04-24-2006 05:07 PM |
Montage!
| ArtGecko | 04-24-2006 05:40 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted. [/QUOTE]
A Crashnet article with Pat Symonds says Alonso only had one more lap's worth of Fuel than Michael. That they short filled Alonso in the previous pit stop to get him in front of Button and Massa.
As far as the race I don't understand why the brought in Fernando so early. If he went 8 laps further in then Michael he would have that much less fuel to put in. I know he was being held up but he could have run off fast laps after Michael pitted. [/QUOTE]
A Crashnet article with Pat Symonds says Alonso only had one more lap's worth of Fuel than Michael. That they short filled Alonso in the previous pit stop to get him in front of Button and Massa.
| StuBeck | 04-24-2006 05:51 PM |
Basically they messed up when they filled Alonso's tanks before. They should have pitted the second he got stuck behind Schumi and hoped Schumi didn't.
| nKoan | 04-24-2006 05:56 PM |
[QUOTE=nick735]Derek daly is a moron!
Did anyone esle hear him say that the renaults have launch control? :lol:[/QUOTE]
My favorite quote was "The driver controls the car from the steering wheel"
Granted, he was talking about the wealth of controls available to the driver on the steering wheel, but that sound byte was exceedingly inane.
Did anyone esle hear him say that the renaults have launch control? :lol:[/QUOTE]
My favorite quote was "The driver controls the car from the steering wheel"
Granted, he was talking about the wealth of controls available to the driver on the steering wheel, but that sound byte was exceedingly inane.
| bemani | 04-24-2006 06:07 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]Here's an idea: Just watch the race on MUTE. Problem solved, everyone is happy! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I wish they have an SAP channel where you can only hear the engine sounds.
I wish they have an SAP channel where you can only hear the engine sounds.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 06:42 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Montage![/QUOTE]
You gotta have a montage...
You gotta have a montage...
| Ferg | 04-24-2006 06:44 PM |
Sweet, I love driver drama, and since Albers never got a chance to take a swing at Ide...
the brewing spat between Jarno and Michael will have to do.
[QUOTE]Trulli angry at Schumacher's behaviour
By Michele Lostia Monday, April 24th 2006, 15:05 GMT
Jarno Trulli has warned Michael Schumacher that he can expect little help from him on track this season after their qualifying clash at the San Marino Grand Prix.
Trulli was left furious that he was blocked by Schumacher during his final qualifying run - which both slowed the Toyota driver down and caused his tyres to drop below their ideal operating temperature for the lap after.
That incident left Trulli upset - especially because he could not understand why Schumacher deliberately went out of his way to block him.
"Michael blocked me: I was starting my flying lap when he came out of the pits and hindered me by keeping me behind for the entire lap," said Trulli in Gazzetta dello Sport.
"This resulted in the temperature of my Bridgestones dropping, and I found myself going for the fast lap on shot tyres.
"He did it on purpose, because he had certainly seen me in his mirrors. I would understand that if we were in the last moments of qualifying, but it wasn't so: he had all the time to let my by and go for a flyer himself. I really can't understand why he behaved like that."
The fact that drivers lose a lap's worth of fuel allocation in the final qualifying session if their lap is not within 110 percent of their best probably played a factor in Schumacher's actions - but even so Trulli has said he will not forget what happened.
"This time he'll pay dearly for it," he warned "No, I'm not saying I want to bump him out of a race, but sooner or later I will happen to see him behind me and I'll do my utmost to obstruct him.
"The FIA never acts when he's involved. You only need to look at the sector times to see what he did."
When asked whether he considered lodging an official complaint with the race stewards about Schumacher's behaviour, Trulli said: "What for? This is Italy, nothing would have happened. Can you imagine the stewards having the courage of going against Ferrari? He took pole position and we are all happy, aren't we?"
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the brewing spat between Jarno and Michael will have to do.
[QUOTE]Trulli angry at Schumacher's behaviour
By Michele Lostia Monday, April 24th 2006, 15:05 GMT
Jarno Trulli has warned Michael Schumacher that he can expect little help from him on track this season after their qualifying clash at the San Marino Grand Prix.
Trulli was left furious that he was blocked by Schumacher during his final qualifying run - which both slowed the Toyota driver down and caused his tyres to drop below their ideal operating temperature for the lap after.
That incident left Trulli upset - especially because he could not understand why Schumacher deliberately went out of his way to block him.
"Michael blocked me: I was starting my flying lap when he came out of the pits and hindered me by keeping me behind for the entire lap," said Trulli in Gazzetta dello Sport.
"This resulted in the temperature of my Bridgestones dropping, and I found myself going for the fast lap on shot tyres.
"He did it on purpose, because he had certainly seen me in his mirrors. I would understand that if we were in the last moments of qualifying, but it wasn't so: he had all the time to let my by and go for a flyer himself. I really can't understand why he behaved like that."
The fact that drivers lose a lap's worth of fuel allocation in the final qualifying session if their lap is not within 110 percent of their best probably played a factor in Schumacher's actions - but even so Trulli has said he will not forget what happened.
"This time he'll pay dearly for it," he warned "No, I'm not saying I want to bump him out of a race, but sooner or later I will happen to see him behind me and I'll do my utmost to obstruct him.
"The FIA never acts when he's involved. You only need to look at the sector times to see what he did."
When asked whether he considered lodging an official complaint with the race stewards about Schumacher's behaviour, Trulli said: "What for? This is Italy, nothing would have happened. Can you imagine the stewards having the courage of going against Ferrari? He took pole position and we are all happy, aren't we?"
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| Ferg | 04-24-2006 06:53 PM |
How about a caption contest for poor Christian Albers.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
"****..."
At least Ide is looking in his mirrors :lol:
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
"****..."
At least Ide is looking in his mirrors :lol:
| artkevin | 04-24-2006 06:58 PM |
^^^^
Psst, that's Sato.
My entry: "What did mom tell me? Oh yeah, rubber side down."
Psst, that's Sato.
My entry: "What did mom tell me? Oh yeah, rubber side down."
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