| Wr4wrX | 05-05-2006 02:23 PM |
Made my picks earlier this week and forgot to post 'em.
P1. K.Raikkonen
P2. F.Alonso
P3. J.Button
P4. M.Webber
P5. M.Schumacher
P6. J.Montoya
P7. R.Barrichello
P8. N.Rosberg
P1. K.Raikkonen
P2. F.Alonso
P3. J.Button
P4. M.Webber
P5. M.Schumacher
P6. J.Montoya
P7. R.Barrichello
P8. N.Rosberg
| meebs | 05-06-2006 12:50 AM |
I've given up on Kimi for this year...
1. Alonso
2. Schu
3. Button
4. KIMI
5. JPM
6. Masa
7. Webber
8. Fizzi
Edit: oh and if Schumi wins, the wing thing is going to go nuclear next week.
1. Alonso
2. Schu
3. Button
4. KIMI
5. JPM
6. Masa
7. Webber
8. Fizzi
Edit: oh and if Schumi wins, the wing thing is going to go nuclear next week.
| Ferg | 05-06-2006 09:27 AM |
Yup, I jinxed Williams. Engine changes for both Rosberg and Webber. Sorry.
Here's how they'll start.
[QUOTE]
1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:31.138 1:30.336 1:29.819
2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:31.235 1:30.013 1:30.028
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.921 1:30.732 1:30.407
4 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:31.671 1:30.469 1:30.754
5 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.263 1:30.203 1:30.933
6 Jenson Button Honda 1:31.420 1:30.755 1:30.940
7 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:31.809 1:30.733 1:31.419
8 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 1:31.545 1:30.865 1:31.542
9 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.774 1:30.671 1:31.880
10 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 1:31.712 1:30.892 1:33.405
11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:31.470 1:30.944
12 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 1:32.053 1:31.194
13 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:31.574 1:31.197
14 David Coulthard RBR-Ferrari 1:31.742 1:31.227
15 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 1:31.457 1:31.422
16 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 1:32.621 1:31.728
17 Christian Klien RBR-Ferrari 1:32.901
18 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 1:32.936
19 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 1:32.992
20 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 1:33.658
21 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:35.239
22 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 1:46.505
[/QUOTE]
Knock the two Willams cars back ten spots.
Should be another great battle between Ferrari and Renault. :D
Here's how they'll start.
[QUOTE]
1 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:31.138 1:30.336 1:29.819
2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:31.235 1:30.013 1:30.028
3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.921 1:30.732 1:30.407
4 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:31.671 1:30.469 1:30.754
5 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.263 1:30.203 1:30.933
6 Jenson Button Honda 1:31.420 1:30.755 1:30.940
7 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:31.809 1:30.733 1:31.419
8 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 1:31.545 1:30.865 1:31.542
9 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.774 1:30.671 1:31.880
10 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 1:31.712 1:30.892 1:33.405
11 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:31.470 1:30.944
12 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 1:32.053 1:31.194
13 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:31.574 1:31.197
14 David Coulthard RBR-Ferrari 1:31.742 1:31.227
15 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 1:31.457 1:31.422
16 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 1:32.621 1:31.728
17 Christian Klien RBR-Ferrari 1:32.901
18 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 1:32.936
19 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 1:32.992
20 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 1:33.658
21 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 1:35.239
22 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 1:46.505
[/QUOTE]
Knock the two Willams cars back ten spots.
Should be another great battle between Ferrari and Renault. :D
| finnRex | 05-06-2006 09:58 AM |
[QUOTE=meebs]I've given up on Kimi for this year...[/QUOTE]
:( You and me both. It seems that Ron isn't exactly helping out by bringing a fast and reliable car to the table.
Mika
:( You and me both. It seems that Ron isn't exactly helping out by bringing a fast and reliable car to the table.
Mika
| Bonzo | 05-06-2006 10:11 AM |
way to go Woobins!!! :D
| nick735 | 05-06-2006 10:44 AM |
If you look at the qualifying times for the top 5 runners, no one else in the had a significant gap between their 2nd and 3rd times besides kimi. Does this mean that hes heavy on fuel...? Who knows...
| Leonardo | 05-06-2006 11:24 AM |
Montoya will podium!!!!!
| nick735 | 05-06-2006 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Leonardo]Montoya will podium!!!!![/QUOTE]
I hope so! As long as hes one step below the iceman ;)
I hope so! As long as hes one step below the iceman ;)
| Ferg | 05-06-2006 12:40 PM |
[QUOTE=nick735]If you look at the qualifying times for the top 5 runners, no one else in the had a significant gap between their 2nd and 3rd times besides kimi. Does this mean that hes heavy on fuel...? Who knows...[/QUOTE]
Possible, although it is just a couple of tenths.
From the incar both the McLarens looked to be a handful around the Ring. Nowhere as smooth and balanced as the Ferraris, Hondas, or Renaults. Maybe they'll do better on long runs come Sunday.
Oh, and don't mess with Fisi or he'll swat you with his hand bag. :huh:
Possible, although it is just a couple of tenths.
From the incar both the McLarens looked to be a handful around the Ring. Nowhere as smooth and balanced as the Ferraris, Hondas, or Renaults. Maybe they'll do better on long runs come Sunday.
Oh, and don't mess with Fisi or he'll swat you with his hand bag. :huh:
| bitterWRX | 05-06-2006 01:35 PM |
Wow... Franck seems to be doing far worst than I expected.
| REX8 | 05-06-2006 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]
From the incar both the McLarens looked to be a handful around the Ring. Nowhere as smooth and balanced as the Ferraris, Hondas, or Renaults. [/QUOTE]
That may play into Mantoys hand. He used to like them fast and loose, then he got the kiss of death....marriage... :lol:
From the incar both the McLarens looked to be a handful around the Ring. Nowhere as smooth and balanced as the Ferraris, Hondas, or Renaults. [/QUOTE]
That may play into Mantoys hand. He used to like them fast and loose, then he got the kiss of death....marriage... :lol:
| artkevin | 05-06-2006 02:57 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]Wow... Franck seems to be doing far worst than I expected.[/QUOTE]
He only set foot inside of the car yesterday and the last F1 machine he drove was the R25, the championship winning car. It's got to be a horribel wake up car to sit in the SA05. I'll wait until he gets a little seat time before I say anything.
He only set foot inside of the car yesterday and the last F1 machine he drove was the R25, the championship winning car. It's got to be a horribel wake up car to sit in the SA05. I'll wait until he gets a little seat time before I say anything.
| Ferg | 05-06-2006 03:04 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]Wow... Franck seems to be doing far worst than I expected.[/QUOTE]
He was actually faster than Sato in the morning warmup. I think I heard Varsha say he spun on his only hot lap, hence the big difference in time during qualifying.
Word is Ide might be back in the car by the next race.
He was actually faster than Sato in the morning warmup. I think I heard Varsha say he spun on his only hot lap, hence the big difference in time during qualifying.
Word is Ide might be back in the car by the next race.
| bitterWRX | 05-06-2006 03:05 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]He only set foot inside of the car yesterday and the last F1 machine he drove was the R25, the championship winning car. It's got to be a horribel wake up car to sit in the SA05. I'll wait until he gets a little seat time before I say anything.[/QUOTE]
True. Maybe I just sympathize with Ide. :p
True. Maybe I just sympathize with Ide. :p
| finnRex | 05-06-2006 03:39 PM |
[QUOTE=nick735]If you look at the qualifying times for the top 5 runners, no one else in the had a significant gap between their 2nd and 3rd times besides kimi. Does this mean that hes heavy on fuel...? Who knows...[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be surprised at all if McLaren continued their heavy fuel plan. I'd like to see Kimi do well, but I've gotten to the point that I'm not going to hold my breathe.
Mika
I wouldn't be surprised at all if McLaren continued their heavy fuel plan. I'd like to see Kimi do well, but I've gotten to the point that I'm not going to hold my breathe.
Mika
| artkevin | 05-06-2006 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]True. Maybe I just sympathize with Ide. :p[/QUOTE]
I do too.
I do too.
| lil'redwagon | 05-06-2006 07:19 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]...I'd like to see Kimi do well, but I've gotten to the point that I'm not going to hold my breathe...
[/QUOTE]
yeah, the mclaren's have been letting me down this season. they seemed to have everything going for them, before the season started:
dream team of drivers
a really fast car (with the old v10)
reliability issues sorted out, at least by the end of last season.
it's true that this was with last year's car, but everyone else had to make the same changes, so why is mclaren back to square one? it sucks, i tune in to watch montoya, but they never show him because he's always mid-pack, 30 seconds back!
[/QUOTE]
yeah, the mclaren's have been letting me down this season. they seemed to have everything going for them, before the season started:
dream team of drivers
a really fast car (with the old v10)
reliability issues sorted out, at least by the end of last season.
it's true that this was with last year's car, but everyone else had to make the same changes, so why is mclaren back to square one? it sucks, i tune in to watch montoya, but they never show him because he's always mid-pack, 30 seconds back!
| REX8 | 05-06-2006 07:24 PM |
[QUOTE=lil'redwagon]yeah, the mclaren's have been letting me down this season. they seemed to have everything going for them, before the season started:
dream team of drivers
a really fast car (with the old v10)
reliability issues sorted out, at least by the end of last season.
it's true that this was with last year's car, but everyone else had to make the same changes, so why is mclaren back to square one? it sucks, i tune in to watch montoya, but they never show him because he's always mid-pack, 30 seconds back![/QUOTE]
That was just the last race!
McLaren will come together. Every team/car goes in cycles. There are too dedicated not to make their way back. Maybe not in time for a DC this season, but you may still see a constructors out of them. No team has a better 1-2 combo. That may make the difference in the constuctors in the long run.
dream team of drivers
a really fast car (with the old v10)
reliability issues sorted out, at least by the end of last season.
it's true that this was with last year's car, but everyone else had to make the same changes, so why is mclaren back to square one? it sucks, i tune in to watch montoya, but they never show him because he's always mid-pack, 30 seconds back![/QUOTE]
That was just the last race!
McLaren will come together. Every team/car goes in cycles. There are too dedicated not to make their way back. Maybe not in time for a DC this season, but you may still see a constructors out of them. No team has a better 1-2 combo. That may make the difference in the constuctors in the long run.
| Ferg | 05-06-2006 07:40 PM |
Whoopsie, JV get's a one grid slot penalty for blocking Fisi.
[QUOTE]Villeneuve demoted for impeding Fisichella
Saturday, May 6th 2006, 19:51 GMT
Jacques Villeneuve was demoted one place to ninth on the European Grand Prix starting grid after stewards ruled he had impeded Renault's Giancarlo Fisichella on Saturday.
Fisichella, who stalked down to the BMW Sauber garages to remonstrate with the former world champion after failing to make the cut in the second qualifying session, will still start behind the Canadian in 11th place.
The Formula One stewards ruled in a statement that Villeneuve had committed an offence by impeding Fisichella but accepted that it may not have been deliberate.
They ordered that Villeneuve should lose his best three laps in the final 10-driver session, relegating him to 10th place from eighth.
However, he will move back up to ninth because Australian Mark Webber, ahead of him in a Williams, collects a 10-place penalty for an unscheduled engine change.[/QUOTE]
Here's the fully revised starting grid for Sunday.
[QUOTE]Provisional starting grid:
1. Alonso Renault
2. M.Schumacher Ferrari
3. Massa Ferrari
4. Barrichello Honda
5. Raikkonen McLaren
6. Button Honda
7. Trulli Toyota
8. Montoya McLaren
9. Villeneuve BMW (penalty: +2)
10. R.Schumacher Toyota
11. Fisichella Renault
12. Coulthard Red Bull
13. Heidfeld BMW
14. Liuzzi Toro Rosso
15. Klien Red Bull
16. Albers Midland
17. Speed Toro Rosso
18. Monteiro Midland
19. Sato Super Aguri
20. Webber Williams (penalty: +10)
21. Montagny Super Aguri
22. Rosberg Williams (penalty: +10)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Villeneuve demoted for impeding Fisichella
Saturday, May 6th 2006, 19:51 GMT
Jacques Villeneuve was demoted one place to ninth on the European Grand Prix starting grid after stewards ruled he had impeded Renault's Giancarlo Fisichella on Saturday.
Fisichella, who stalked down to the BMW Sauber garages to remonstrate with the former world champion after failing to make the cut in the second qualifying session, will still start behind the Canadian in 11th place.
The Formula One stewards ruled in a statement that Villeneuve had committed an offence by impeding Fisichella but accepted that it may not have been deliberate.
They ordered that Villeneuve should lose his best three laps in the final 10-driver session, relegating him to 10th place from eighth.
However, he will move back up to ninth because Australian Mark Webber, ahead of him in a Williams, collects a 10-place penalty for an unscheduled engine change.[/QUOTE]
Here's the fully revised starting grid for Sunday.
[QUOTE]Provisional starting grid:
1. Alonso Renault
2. M.Schumacher Ferrari
3. Massa Ferrari
4. Barrichello Honda
5. Raikkonen McLaren
6. Button Honda
7. Trulli Toyota
8. Montoya McLaren
9. Villeneuve BMW (penalty: +2)
10. R.Schumacher Toyota
11. Fisichella Renault
12. Coulthard Red Bull
13. Heidfeld BMW
14. Liuzzi Toro Rosso
15. Klien Red Bull
16. Albers Midland
17. Speed Toro Rosso
18. Monteiro Midland
19. Sato Super Aguri
20. Webber Williams (penalty: +10)
21. Montagny Super Aguri
22. Rosberg Williams (penalty: +10)[/QUOTE]
| finnRex | 05-06-2006 07:49 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]That was just the last race!
McLaren will come together. Every team/car goes in cycles. There are too dedicated not to make their way back. Maybe not in time for a DC this season, but you may still see a constructors out of them. No team has a better 1-2 combo. That may make the difference in the constuctors in the long run.[/QUOTE]
I've pretty much lost all hope for this season as far as the DC goes. I just hope that he carries that fire that he has over to Ferrari or Renault, or wherever he decides to go.
As far as the constructors, I'd be tempted to lay down a bit to make sure that tha constructors doesn't go to Ron after him dissing Kimi and JPM last year(blaming them for not winning the constructors). But that's me, a vindictive bastage;).
Mika
McLaren will come together. Every team/car goes in cycles. There are too dedicated not to make their way back. Maybe not in time for a DC this season, but you may still see a constructors out of them. No team has a better 1-2 combo. That may make the difference in the constuctors in the long run.[/QUOTE]
I've pretty much lost all hope for this season as far as the DC goes. I just hope that he carries that fire that he has over to Ferrari or Renault, or wherever he decides to go.
As far as the constructors, I'd be tempted to lay down a bit to make sure that tha constructors doesn't go to Ron after him dissing Kimi and JPM last year(blaming them for not winning the constructors). But that's me, a vindictive bastage;).
Mika
| lil'redwagon | 05-06-2006 10:23 PM |
^ that's true. i forgot about that.
| artkevin | 05-07-2006 02:18 PM |
I got to give it up for Massa. He seems to be doing exactly what the Scuderia wants him to do and bring home as many points as possible while keeping the Renaults honest. It would be good to see him win one before Ferrari get rid of him in favour of someone in a higher pay grade for 07.
Looks like Kimi and Juan still have fight left in them, just the cat that doesn't seem to be there for them. It also feels like the Williams are right on the verge of being great again.
If anybody watched the GP2 race I think that Hamilton needs to be a boxer if this racing thing doesn't pan out. He has amazing quick fists.
Looks like Kimi and Juan still have fight left in them, just the cat that doesn't seem to be there for them. It also feels like the Williams are right on the verge of being great again.
If anybody watched the GP2 race I think that Hamilton needs to be a boxer if this racing thing doesn't pan out. He has amazing quick fists.
| Evil STI | 05-07-2006 02:28 PM |
Slightly OT:
Those of you who have heard the new V8s in person, do they sound as uncharasmatic as they do on the TV?
I'll [U]never[/U] forget my first time coming out of the subway and up the stairs to the entrance of Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve in Montreal and hearing those V10s screaming, still a good 1/2 to 3/4 miles or more away. I did get choked up for a moment- it was that beautiful!!!
I might head up to Montreal and snatch some general admission tickets at the last moment- I haven't been there in a few years. The Casino, the nightlife, Crescent St., ahhhhh......
Those of you who have heard the new V8s in person, do they sound as uncharasmatic as they do on the TV?
I'll [U]never[/U] forget my first time coming out of the subway and up the stairs to the entrance of Circuit Gilles-Villeneuve in Montreal and hearing those V10s screaming, still a good 1/2 to 3/4 miles or more away. I did get choked up for a moment- it was that beautiful!!!
I might head up to Montreal and snatch some general admission tickets at the last moment- I haven't been there in a few years. The Casino, the nightlife, Crescent St., ahhhhh......
| JPinn | 05-07-2006 03:06 PM |
I got a chance to hear the F2004 ferrari at laguna seca do a demonstration at the historic races. I know it is something I will never forget. They aboslutely scream. I was standing near the corkscrew where I could see the whole circuit. It is still so amazing to see how fast these cars can change directions. The TV doesnt truly give you the same sense of how fast they are. And just for kicks after a few hotlaps arround Laguna Seca the driver slowed down in front of where I was and did a nice burnout boucing off the rev limmiter. :)
| ptclaus98 | 05-07-2006 03:07 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I got to give it up for Massa. He seems to be doing exactly what the Scuderia wants him to do and bring home as many points as possible while keeping the Renaults honest. It would be good to see him win one before Ferrari get rid of him in favour of someone in a higher pay grade for 07.
Looks like Kimi and Juan still have fight left in them, just the cat that doesn't seem to be there for them. It also feels like the Williams are right on the verge of being great again.
If anybody watched the GP2 race I think that Hamilton needs to be a boxer if this racing thing doesn't pan out. He has amazing quick fists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Massa is stepping it up. Renault needs that from Fisi.
What happened in the GP2 race?
Looks like Kimi and Juan still have fight left in them, just the cat that doesn't seem to be there for them. It also feels like the Williams are right on the verge of being great again.
If anybody watched the GP2 race I think that Hamilton needs to be a boxer if this racing thing doesn't pan out. He has amazing quick fists.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Massa is stepping it up. Renault needs that from Fisi.
What happened in the GP2 race?
| artkevin | 05-07-2006 04:32 PM |
On Sat. Hamilton was blazing the field and then got a drive through for some reason (probably speeding in the pits). When he came back out his teammate Premat was in 1st by about 10 seconds. Hamilton caught him, passed him and never looked back. If he hadn't had the penalty he would have made everyone else look like children.
Hamilton also came from 8th to win the Sunday race.
There is also a strange trend in GP2 of only changing the rear tires in a pit stop. Matchett talks about it all the time but it doesn't even make sense on paper. The cars all suffer from understeer from the get go so the put huge heat and pressure on the fronts to start. When they don't change them they get blisters and in Piquet's case a huge blow out going into a fast corner. Even w/o the blowout you still get lap times the plummet at the end of the race because the fronts just can't take it. Hopefully in Spain next week the teams will take a closer look at it.
Hamilton also came from 8th to win the Sunday race.
There is also a strange trend in GP2 of only changing the rear tires in a pit stop. Matchett talks about it all the time but it doesn't even make sense on paper. The cars all suffer from understeer from the get go so the put huge heat and pressure on the fronts to start. When they don't change them they get blisters and in Piquet's case a huge blow out going into a fast corner. Even w/o the blowout you still get lap times the plummet at the end of the race because the fronts just can't take it. Hopefully in Spain next week the teams will take a closer look at it.
| Chiketkd | 05-07-2006 05:38 PM |
Kudos to Ferrari!!!! :cool:
| bitterWRX | 05-07-2006 06:20 PM |
Bravo Ferrari. Bravooo. That some crazy speed from Schumi.
| JPinn | 05-07-2006 07:27 PM |
its looking like Ferrari is going to make a good push now for the constructors.
| StuBeck | 05-07-2006 07:41 PM |
I think once Williams and McLaren get some more speed Massa will start to get pushed back a bit and this will hurt Ferrari's chance at the constructors. If Fisi does something the rest of the year and doesn't let the same thing happen as last year I think he should be better too.
I don't think they are changing the front tires in the GP2 race because of issues getting heat into them. They suffer from understeer, but if they can't get heat in them they wuold just have more. It seems to make more sense to just remove some rear downforce though to make the cars understeer less, but the teams probably already thought about that.
I don't think they are changing the front tires in the GP2 race because of issues getting heat into them. They suffer from understeer, but if they can't get heat in them they wuold just have more. It seems to make more sense to just remove some rear downforce though to make the cars understeer less, but the teams probably already thought about that.
| themarxist | 05-07-2006 07:46 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]Bravo Ferrari. Bravooo. That some crazy speed from Schumi.[/QUOTE]
Seriously. I can't believe how much distance he made up on Alonso on the last pit stop, that was incredible. Makes you wonder what he could do with a light fuel load and fresh tires.
Seriously. I can't believe how much distance he made up on Alonso on the last pit stop, that was incredible. Makes you wonder what he could do with a light fuel load and fresh tires.
| bitterWRX | 05-07-2006 08:14 PM |
It'll be interesting watching this season unfold. I think a highlight for this season will be the GP that Alonso takes away from Schumi.
| Ferg | 05-07-2006 09:39 PM |
Wow, another fantastic race. This season just keeps on getting better and better.
It was great to see a vintage Schumacher victory.
Kudos to Nico for another mature fight from the back of the grid. Maybe he should start there for every GP.
:D
It was great to see a vintage Schumacher victory.
Kudos to Nico for another mature fight from the back of the grid. Maybe he should start there for every GP.
:D
| Dark | 05-07-2006 11:23 PM |
Watching Alonso and Schumacher's pitting strategies were just as or maybe more exciting than watching the race. Too bad Raikkonen doesnt have the pace like last year, otherwise the 3 ways driver championship race sure be interesting.
| bemani | 05-08-2006 12:23 AM |
Kimi needs to get in front of Alonso in a few races to even out the championship :(
| KAX | 05-08-2006 12:57 AM |
if they wouldnt qualify too far back they wouldnt lose so many places in the first corner. Seems like they always lose out on that first lap and spend the next 20 trying to get back to where they started. Dissappointing that Kimi couldnt take away the podium from Massa, just a tad bit quicker it would have been his.
i also found it funny when Frank tried to grab the fire extinguisher himself to put out his car
i also found it funny when Frank tried to grab the fire extinguisher himself to put out his car
| bitterWRX | 05-08-2006 01:52 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX]
i also found it funny when Frank tried to grab the fire extinguisher himself to put out his car[/QUOTE]
When was this? :confused:
i also found it funny when Frank tried to grab the fire extinguisher himself to put out his car[/QUOTE]
When was this? :confused:
| KAX | 05-08-2006 02:34 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]When was this? :confused:[/QUOTE]
right around the time his engine blew :confused:
right around the time his engine blew :confused:
| bitterWRX | 05-08-2006 04:37 AM |
I totally don't remember this from the GP. :confused:
| grandpa rex | 05-08-2006 06:37 AM |
F1 is always better and more exciting when Ferrari is competitive.
Last year they were competitive at Imola but sucked out the rest of the year. I thought the same was going to be true this year. Glad it's not.
F1 fans got screwed when when Senna died and we didn't get to see a few years of a young MS fighting the old master.
It's fun to watch the old MS fight the young buck Alonso now. However, after his last pit stop, Alonso seemed to lose the fight and settled for second. Smart move in terms of the WDC, but I would have liked to see a bit more fight from him.
I still can't get a break on pick 6 though. No Krispy Kremes for me this year.
Last year they were competitive at Imola but sucked out the rest of the year. I thought the same was going to be true this year. Glad it's not.
F1 fans got screwed when when Senna died and we didn't get to see a few years of a young MS fighting the old master.
It's fun to watch the old MS fight the young buck Alonso now. However, after his last pit stop, Alonso seemed to lose the fight and settled for second. Smart move in terms of the WDC, but I would have liked to see a bit more fight from him.
I still can't get a break on pick 6 though. No Krispy Kremes for me this year.
| pottymouth | 05-08-2006 10:28 AM |
Great Race!
I hate the camera coverage they get on speed. I know it isn't thier choice on what they get, but they can cover the race better. I have a laptop with the live scoring up you think they could. When Alonso went in the pits for the second stop, the story was could Schummi run off two or three fast laps. Well from the live scoring you could see he was flying, yet the announcers just pretended they didn't know what his sector times were, they just chimed in when he crossed the line. How could you not be on the incar of him during those laps, he was pushing hard. Thanks german coverage.
Maybe it was just me, but I thought the coverage missed the main points of the race. Glad I got to watch, just thought they could have highlighted the most important parts more.
I hate the camera coverage they get on speed. I know it isn't thier choice on what they get, but they can cover the race better. I have a laptop with the live scoring up you think they could. When Alonso went in the pits for the second stop, the story was could Schummi run off two or three fast laps. Well from the live scoring you could see he was flying, yet the announcers just pretended they didn't know what his sector times were, they just chimed in when he crossed the line. How could you not be on the incar of him during those laps, he was pushing hard. Thanks german coverage.
Maybe it was just me, but I thought the coverage missed the main points of the race. Glad I got to watch, just thought they could have highlighted the most important parts more.
| Chiketkd | 05-08-2006 10:42 AM |
Schumacher showed the world he could beat Alonso when he's not on pole or Alonso doesn't commit some ridiculously stupid mistake to give the lead away. This is what's making for an interesting championship race in 2006 despite Alonso's 13 point lead.
Spain is going to be critical - if Alonso wins, his confidence will be regained and the Ferrari winning streak will be brought to an end. If Schumi wins, the impact of Alsonso losing infront of his home crowd could be devastating to the rest of his season.
Spain is going to be critical - if Alonso wins, his confidence will be regained and the Ferrari winning streak will be brought to an end. If Schumi wins, the impact of Alsonso losing infront of his home crowd could be devastating to the rest of his season.
| Ferg | 05-08-2006 10:54 AM |
I don't know about there being much of a negative effect on Alonso if he loses in front of his home crowd.
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.
Of course if Schumi absolutely obliterates the Renault...
I'm convinced Fernando shouldn't have shaved his beard as it's obviously cost him a few tenths.
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.
Of course if Schumi absolutely obliterates the Renault...
I'm convinced Fernando shouldn't have shaved his beard as it's obviously cost him a few tenths.
| bitterWRX | 05-08-2006 12:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd]
Spain is going to be critical - if Alonso wins, his confidence will be regained and the Ferrari winning streak will be brought to an end. If Schumi wins, the impact of Alsonso losing infront of his home crowd could be devastating to the rest of his season.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it will be "devastating" per se. But I think the race in which Alonso does overtake Schumi and ends up scoring higher than Schumi will have a huge impact. When Alonso beats Schumi at his own game, it'll be super exciting.
Spain is going to be critical - if Alonso wins, his confidence will be regained and the Ferrari winning streak will be brought to an end. If Schumi wins, the impact of Alsonso losing infront of his home crowd could be devastating to the rest of his season.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it will be "devastating" per se. But I think the race in which Alonso does overtake Schumi and ends up scoring higher than Schumi will have a huge impact. When Alonso beats Schumi at his own game, it'll be super exciting.
| KAX | 05-08-2006 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]I don't know about there being much of a negative effect on Alonso if he loses in front of his home crowd.
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.
Of course if Schumi absolutely obliterates the Renault...
I'm convinced Fernando shouldn't have shaved his beard as it's obviously cost him a few tenths.[/QUOTE]
he needs to do the opposite of petter and cut his hair until he wins again :lol:
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.
Of course if Schumi absolutely obliterates the Renault...
I'm convinced Fernando shouldn't have shaved his beard as it's obviously cost him a few tenths.[/QUOTE]
he needs to do the opposite of petter and cut his hair until he wins again :lol:
| Chiketkd | 05-08-2006 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]I don't know about there being much of a negative effect on Alonso if he loses in front of his home crowd.
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.[/QUOTE]
Alonso's mental state last season and this season are completely different. He's a cool customer - I'll give you that - but this season he's the defending World Champion and much bigger expectations will be placed on him by his current team, future '07 team and sponsors.
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss. The loss at Imola was understandable as he had the faster car, but just couldn't get around Schumi (or use pit strategy to his advantage). However, the loss in Germany was not quite as easy to explain. He said tires were an issue - which the commentators mentioned - but if they were not competitive, he wouldn't have won pole by over 0.2 seconds. He also mentioned that after the 2nd pit stop, his team allowed him to turn up the revs and he tried to chase Michael down, but could only 'match' Schumi's lap times at best. That's a good sound defeat he was given - he knows it and his team knows it. :devil:
Last year Kimi spanked him at Barcelona, but Alonso held his nerve and bounced back.[/QUOTE]
Alonso's mental state last season and this season are completely different. He's a cool customer - I'll give you that - but this season he's the defending World Champion and much bigger expectations will be placed on him by his current team, future '07 team and sponsors.
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss. The loss at Imola was understandable as he had the faster car, but just couldn't get around Schumi (or use pit strategy to his advantage). However, the loss in Germany was not quite as easy to explain. He said tires were an issue - which the commentators mentioned - but if they were not competitive, he wouldn't have won pole by over 0.2 seconds. He also mentioned that after the 2nd pit stop, his team allowed him to turn up the revs and he tried to chase Michael down, but could only 'match' Schumi's lap times at best. That's a good sound defeat he was given - he knows it and his team knows it. :devil:
| Student Driver | 05-08-2006 01:11 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD][IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/58801.jpg[/IMG]
"I wonder if I should tell them I have to take a dump now or later"[/QUOTE]
Heh, I just tripped over this thread. The quote is:
"So, I slow them down with the back of the car and hit stuff with that big wing, right?"
Nice race overall. I do like the crew wondering why he would take over Ide's seat with that team.
BTW, anybody tell Kimi that he can drive now? I mean, Massa in the Ferrari was keeping him at bay in the last laps of the race with Alonso dragging a$$. Is Kimi just giving up?
"I wonder if I should tell them I have to take a dump now or later"[/QUOTE]
Heh, I just tripped over this thread. The quote is:
"So, I slow them down with the back of the car and hit stuff with that big wing, right?"
Nice race overall. I do like the crew wondering why he would take over Ide's seat with that team.
BTW, anybody tell Kimi that he can drive now? I mean, Massa in the Ferrari was keeping him at bay in the last laps of the race with Alonso dragging a$$. Is Kimi just giving up?
| KAX | 05-08-2006 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE=Student Driver]BTW, anybody tell Kimi that he can drive now? I mean, Massa in the Ferrari was keeping him at bay in the last laps of the race with Alonso dragging a$$. Is Kimi just giving up?[/QUOTE]
well he did try to pass him under breaking for the final corner, but right as he went for it, the turned to schumacher crossing the line. It just seems like Kimi always tries way too late.
well he did try to pass him under breaking for the final corner, but right as he went for it, the turned to schumacher crossing the line. It just seems like Kimi always tries way too late.
| Ferg | 05-08-2006 01:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd]Alonso's mental state last season and this season are completely different. He's a cool customer - I'll give you that - but this season he's the defending World Champion and much bigger expectations will be placed on him by his current team, future '07 team and sponsors.
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss. The loss at Imola was understandable as he had the faster car, but just couldn't get around Schumi (or use pit strategy to his advantage). However, the loss in Germany was not quite as easy to explain. He said tires were an issue - which the commentators mentioned - but if they were not competitive, he wouldn't have won pole by over 0.2 seconds. He also mentioned that after the 2nd pit stop, his team allowed him to turn up the revs and he tried to chase Michael down, but could only 'match' Schumi's lap times at best. That's a good sound defeat he was given - he knows it and his team knows it. :devil:[/QUOTE]
Excellent points all. :)
There's definately more pressure on a defending champion to repeat, but at the same time he's already won the title, he knows he can do it, so while it's pressure, it's of a different sort. I agree, he did look annoyed in the press conference, and I think it's because he lost this race to Michael rather than failed to take the win from him like Imola. He got beaten this weekend, no doubt about that, but he was soundy beaten several times last season, and still kept it together. Alonso is a mentally tough competitor, and one defeat (or even two or three) won't shake his confidence in his ability or Renault to deliver a good car.
Things are so close at the sharp end of the grid this season that I find it very hard to believe anyone is going to get much of a win streak going. At some point this season McLaren will unlock the MP4-21s speed secrets, as will Honda, and hopefully Williams. If we have four or five teams regularly fighting for the win this championship is going to really come alive.
It's still early days, and there are an awful lot of races still to be run.
I'm not ruling out anybody at this point.
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss. The loss at Imola was understandable as he had the faster car, but just couldn't get around Schumi (or use pit strategy to his advantage). However, the loss in Germany was not quite as easy to explain. He said tires were an issue - which the commentators mentioned - but if they were not competitive, he wouldn't have won pole by over 0.2 seconds. He also mentioned that after the 2nd pit stop, his team allowed him to turn up the revs and he tried to chase Michael down, but could only 'match' Schumi's lap times at best. That's a good sound defeat he was given - he knows it and his team knows it. :devil:[/QUOTE]
Excellent points all. :)
There's definately more pressure on a defending champion to repeat, but at the same time he's already won the title, he knows he can do it, so while it's pressure, it's of a different sort. I agree, he did look annoyed in the press conference, and I think it's because he lost this race to Michael rather than failed to take the win from him like Imola. He got beaten this weekend, no doubt about that, but he was soundy beaten several times last season, and still kept it together. Alonso is a mentally tough competitor, and one defeat (or even two or three) won't shake his confidence in his ability or Renault to deliver a good car.
Things are so close at the sharp end of the grid this season that I find it very hard to believe anyone is going to get much of a win streak going. At some point this season McLaren will unlock the MP4-21s speed secrets, as will Honda, and hopefully Williams. If we have four or five teams regularly fighting for the win this championship is going to really come alive.
It's still early days, and there are an awful lot of races still to be run.
I'm not ruling out anybody at this point.
| bemani | 05-08-2006 05:38 PM |
[quote]he knows he can do it[/quote]
Only without MS in the mix. He's beaten Kimi last year, now he just need to take on Michael.
If Fernando can still do it this year against Ferrari, then he's got it.
Only without MS in the mix. He's beaten Kimi last year, now he just need to take on Michael.
If Fernando can still do it this year against Ferrari, then he's got it.
| Ferg | 05-08-2006 06:49 PM |
Agreed, he still hasn't beaten Michael in a straight fight over a season...that will be the ultimate test of his mettle.
Last year Kimi beat him with outright speed, the Macca was simply the faster car. Michael can and will beat you even when the car isn't the class of the field. Think back to Hungary in what was it, 1998? He jumped both the McLaren's with a slower car, and on a three stopper vs a two stopper. Crazy stuff.
:D
Last year Kimi beat him with outright speed, the Macca was simply the faster car. Michael can and will beat you even when the car isn't the class of the field. Think back to Hungary in what was it, 1998? He jumped both the McLaren's with a slower car, and on a three stopper vs a two stopper. Crazy stuff.
:D
| WillisW555 | 05-08-2006 06:56 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]well he did try to pass him under breaking for the final corner, but right as he went for it, the turned to schumacher crossing the line. It just seems like Kimi always tries way too late.[/QUOTE]
That was horrible by the director. I wanted to scream. At least let us watch an attempt at the pass.
That was a great 2 horse race. I would love to see Kimi up there battling for the wins though.
That was horrible by the director. I wanted to scream. At least let us watch an attempt at the pass.
That was a great 2 horse race. I would love to see Kimi up there battling for the wins though.
| Ferg | 05-08-2006 06:58 PM |
Before I forget again...
Here's a link to the BBC's Five Live Podcast of The Chequered Flag episode from the European Grand Prix.
[URL=http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/fivelive/thechequeredflag/rss.xml]->The Chequered Flag Podcast feed<-[/URL]
Always a good listen.
:D
Here's a link to the BBC's Five Live Podcast of The Chequered Flag episode from the European Grand Prix.
[URL=http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/fivelive/thechequeredflag/rss.xml]->The Chequered Flag Podcast feed<-[/URL]
Always a good listen.
:D
| ArtGecko | 05-08-2006 09:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd]
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he [Alonso] looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss.[/QUOTE]
I took that look of annoyance to be along the lines of "If I can't beat him with this car, what the Hell am I going to do *next* year?" :D
I was really happy for Massa. I hope he's still in a red car next year!
Also, at the post race interview on Sunday he [Alonso] looked visibly 'annoyed' at the loss.[/QUOTE]
I took that look of annoyance to be along the lines of "If I can't beat him with this car, what the Hell am I going to do *next* year?" :D
I was really happy for Massa. I hope he's still in a red car next year!
| finnRex | 05-08-2006 11:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Student Driver]BTW, anybody tell Kimi that he can drive now? I mean, Massa in the Ferrari was keeping him at bay in the last laps of the race with Alonso dragging a$$. Is Kimi just giving up?[/QUOTE]
Kind of hard to pass other cars when the HP isn't there. If you watched the replays or the race you woulda seen Kimi catching up in the corners, and then losing ground on the straights.
Yet one more reason to throw in the towel for McLaren.
Mika(Kimi+Ferrari or Renault=teh w1n!)
Kind of hard to pass other cars when the HP isn't there. If you watched the replays or the race you woulda seen Kimi catching up in the corners, and then losing ground on the straights.
Yet one more reason to throw in the towel for McLaren.
Mika(Kimi+Ferrari or Renault=teh w1n!)
| grippgoat | 05-09-2006 01:15 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]Kind of hard to pass other cars when the HP isn't there. If you watched the replays or the race you woulda seen Kimi catching up in the corners, and then losing ground on the straights.
Yet one more reason to throw in the towel for McLaren.
Mika(Kimi+Ferrari or Renault=teh w1n!)[/QUOTE]
Nah, they just need to make their wings more flexible. :)
-Mike
Yet one more reason to throw in the towel for McLaren.
Mika(Kimi+Ferrari or Renault=teh w1n!)[/QUOTE]
Nah, they just need to make their wings more flexible. :)
-Mike
| KAX | 05-09-2006 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat]Nah, they just need to make their wings more flexible. :)
-Mike[/QUOTE]
:lol: im just waiting for this whole thing to blow up.
-Mike[/QUOTE]
:lol: im just waiting for this whole thing to blow up.
| finnRex | 05-09-2006 02:22 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]:lol: im just waiting for this whole thing to blow up.[/QUOTE]
Kind of like a Macca motor back in '03 and '04?:lol:
Mika
Kind of like a Macca motor back in '03 and '04?:lol:
Mika
| KAX | 05-09-2006 03:03 PM |
not sure what Macca stands for, but more along the lines of a Williams or Toyota motor this year :lol:
| Ferg | 05-09-2006 03:44 PM |
Macca = McLaren
Not sure when I heard that one, but the British press use it often.
:)
Not sure when I heard that one, but the British press use it often.
:)
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