| WRXedUSA | 04-01-2007 01:29 AM |
Wow. That tire wear was crazy.
| Rallyroo | 04-01-2007 01:34 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;17558008]Wow. That tire wear was crazy.[/QUOTE]
I know. When I saw the tire wear I was like WOW. I can't even get close to that kind of wear.
I know. When I saw the tire wear I was like WOW. I can't even get close to that kind of wear.
| RB5 Clone | 04-01-2007 10:03 AM |
yet another effin Loeb-Fest
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final super special now wrapping up
looks like
Loeb
Gronholm
Hirvonen
Petter
Yaaaay! Finally a decent result for the hard-luck Boys In Blue. :banana:
looks like
Loeb
Gronholm
Hirvonen
Petter
Yaaaay! Finally a decent result for the hard-luck Boys In Blue. :banana:
| Weasel 555 | 04-01-2007 10:09 AM |
End of Day 3:
from rally-live.com
1.Loeb - C4 - 3h53'33"1
2.Gronholm - Ford - 3h54'10"2
3.Hirvonen - 3h55'41"2
4.P.Solberg - 3h56'47"0 :)
5.Sordo - C4 - 3h58'38"4
6.Latvala - Ford - 3h59'18"0
7.Carlsson - Xsara - 4h01'46"3
8.Galli - Xsara - 4h03'12"7
9.H.Solberg - Ford - 4h04'45"5
10.Stohl - Xsara - 4h06'19"1
from crash.net:
Citroen's Sebastien Loeb has won the Rally de Portugal, the fifth round in the 2007 FIA World Rally Championship.
Loeb took the lead late on Friday, snatching the position in the final test, to end the day 3.1 seconds up on Marcus Gronholm. He then put the hammer down on Saturday and pulled further and further away, thanks to six stages wins from six, to end the second leg with a 40.5 second advantage.
As such he just took it easy on the final day on Sunday and eventually took the victory by more than 30 seconds. It was his third win of the season, after also triumphing in Mexico and Monte Carlo.
Marcus Gronholm had to settle for the runners-up spot in his BP Ford, after losing time on day two due to poor tyre choices, which meant he was unable to keep up with Seb. The turning point came on SS12 and SS13, when he lost more than 20 seconds in total. After that there was no way back.
Mikko Hirvonen took the final place on the podium in the sister Focus, 2 minutes or so adrift. Although the Finn thought he might come under pressure from Petter Solberg on day three, as it turned out he took third with ease, eventually finishing around 60 seconds up on the Norwegian.
Citroen number two driver, Dani Sordo meanwhile took fifth, followed by Stobart Ford's Jari-Matti Latvala, OMV Kronos Citroen's Daniel Carlsson and Gigi Galli, who took the �privateer win' in eighth.
Henning Solberg and Manfred Stohl completed the top ten, the former once again taking the final manufacturers' point for the Stobart Ford squad.
from rally-live.com
1.Loeb - C4 - 3h53'33"1
2.Gronholm - Ford - 3h54'10"2
3.Hirvonen - 3h55'41"2
4.P.Solberg - 3h56'47"0 :)
5.Sordo - C4 - 3h58'38"4
6.Latvala - Ford - 3h59'18"0
7.Carlsson - Xsara - 4h01'46"3
8.Galli - Xsara - 4h03'12"7
9.H.Solberg - Ford - 4h04'45"5
10.Stohl - Xsara - 4h06'19"1
from crash.net:
Citroen's Sebastien Loeb has won the Rally de Portugal, the fifth round in the 2007 FIA World Rally Championship.
Loeb took the lead late on Friday, snatching the position in the final test, to end the day 3.1 seconds up on Marcus Gronholm. He then put the hammer down on Saturday and pulled further and further away, thanks to six stages wins from six, to end the second leg with a 40.5 second advantage.
As such he just took it easy on the final day on Sunday and eventually took the victory by more than 30 seconds. It was his third win of the season, after also triumphing in Mexico and Monte Carlo.
Marcus Gronholm had to settle for the runners-up spot in his BP Ford, after losing time on day two due to poor tyre choices, which meant he was unable to keep up with Seb. The turning point came on SS12 and SS13, when he lost more than 20 seconds in total. After that there was no way back.
Mikko Hirvonen took the final place on the podium in the sister Focus, 2 minutes or so adrift. Although the Finn thought he might come under pressure from Petter Solberg on day three, as it turned out he took third with ease, eventually finishing around 60 seconds up on the Norwegian.
Citroen number two driver, Dani Sordo meanwhile took fifth, followed by Stobart Ford's Jari-Matti Latvala, OMV Kronos Citroen's Daniel Carlsson and Gigi Galli, who took the �privateer win' in eighth.
Henning Solberg and Manfred Stohl completed the top ten, the former once again taking the final manufacturers' point for the Stobart Ford squad.
| LastResort | 04-01-2007 02:00 PM |
Well, at least Subaru found the finish line. But 60 seconds is a big gap.
| psg | 04-01-2007 06:05 PM |
So, with the 5-minute penalty assessed to the BP Ford drivers, that gives Petter a #2 finish, with Sordo rounding out the podium.
| nKoan | 04-01-2007 06:19 PM |
Not just the BP Fords, but all three Ford teams. Marcus Gronholm, Mikko Hirvonen, Jari-Matti Latvala, Henning Solberg, Matthew Wilson and Gareth MacHale.
Congrats to Petter! Actually, the 4th was a real good showing too, and that was enough to make me happy. The 2nd place though, is just awesome.
[url]http://www.crash.net/news_View~cid~4~id~145593.htm[/url]
[quote]
Marcus Gronholm and fellow Ford runners, Mikko Hirvonen, Jari-Matti Latvala, Henning Solberg, Matthew Wilson and Gareth MacHale have all been handed 5 minute penalties following post-event checks on the Rally de Portugal.
After technical scrutineering all the 06 spec Ford Focus WRC runners were found to have rear side windows not conforming to the regulations and as such they were each given a five minute penalty and a reprimand.
�The Stewards initially received a written report from the FIA Technical Delegate which stated that the rear side windows (right and left) of Car No.3, Entrant BP-Ford World Rally Team, crew Marcus Gronholm/Timo Rautiainen did not comply with the homologation form of the car.
�The Stewards subsequently received another report from the FIA Technical Delegate which stated that the identical windows of cars No.4, No.9, No.10, No.16 and No 23 did not conform with the homologation requirements also.
�The stewards then summoned the entrants of all the above cars to them.
�Car No.23, Mr. Gareth MacHale was not represented.
�The following were present: Mr. John Millington, Team Manager, accompanied by Mr. Christian Loriaux, Technical Director and Mr. Jost Capito, Director Ford Team RS, Ford of Europe.
�When confronted with the evidence that the side windows measured 3mm instead of the minimum 3.5mm, the Ford representatives stated that the windows, which are made of polycarbonate, are manufacturer by a reputed manufacturer who is aware of the requirement of homologation and furthermore has been making these types of windows for a number of years.
�The representatives confirmed that they had erred in not measuring the thickness of these windows before their fitment.
�The representatives further stated that a reduction of 0.5mm was really inconsequential as far as an attempt to attain a benefit was concerned.
�The stewards agreed that a benefit was not the issue. The issue was that a technical regulation had been breached and of that there was no doubt.
�The stewards then conferred amongst themselves at length seeking a solution that would be apt under the circumstances and decide to levy a five-minute time penalty on each of the above cars as well as a penalty of a reprimand to each of the entrants for the carelessness displayed in using an incorrect part.�
The penalties have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the fifth round in the championship and as a result Marcus Gronholm drops from second to fourth in the overall classification and loses the lead in the drivers' championship. From being 2 points in front of Sebastien Loeb, he now trails the Frenchman by 1 point.
Mikko Hirvonen also loses two places and drops from third to fifth. The net effect of this is that while BP Ford originally scored 14 points, the same as Citroen, they now only score 9 points. Ford's lead in the manufacturers' is therefore reduced from 15 points to 8.
The Stobart Ford team also loses out, with Jari-Matti Latvala down from 6th in the classification to 8th. He therefore scores only one drivers' point. He also only picks up 2 for the Stobart Ford team, instead of 3. The Ford �B' team also misses out on the final manufacturers' point, as Henning Solberg drops from 9th to 11th.
Stobart third driver, Matthew Wilson and Gareth MacHale are not affected by the penalties in terms of the overall classification and despite incurring 5 minute penalties they remain 12th and 13th respectively.
The misfortune that befell the Fords, promotes Petter Solberg from fourth to second, Daniel Sordo from fifth to third, Daniel Carlsson from seventh to sixth, Gigi Galli from eighth to seventh, Manfred Stohl from tenth to ninth and Andreas Mikkelsen from eleventh to tenth.[/quote]
Congrats to Petter! Actually, the 4th was a real good showing too, and that was enough to make me happy. The 2nd place though, is just awesome.
[url]http://www.crash.net/news_View~cid~4~id~145593.htm[/url]
[quote]
Marcus Gronholm and fellow Ford runners, Mikko Hirvonen, Jari-Matti Latvala, Henning Solberg, Matthew Wilson and Gareth MacHale have all been handed 5 minute penalties following post-event checks on the Rally de Portugal.
After technical scrutineering all the 06 spec Ford Focus WRC runners were found to have rear side windows not conforming to the regulations and as such they were each given a five minute penalty and a reprimand.
�The Stewards initially received a written report from the FIA Technical Delegate which stated that the rear side windows (right and left) of Car No.3, Entrant BP-Ford World Rally Team, crew Marcus Gronholm/Timo Rautiainen did not comply with the homologation form of the car.
�The Stewards subsequently received another report from the FIA Technical Delegate which stated that the identical windows of cars No.4, No.9, No.10, No.16 and No 23 did not conform with the homologation requirements also.
�The stewards then summoned the entrants of all the above cars to them.
�Car No.23, Mr. Gareth MacHale was not represented.
�The following were present: Mr. John Millington, Team Manager, accompanied by Mr. Christian Loriaux, Technical Director and Mr. Jost Capito, Director Ford Team RS, Ford of Europe.
�When confronted with the evidence that the side windows measured 3mm instead of the minimum 3.5mm, the Ford representatives stated that the windows, which are made of polycarbonate, are manufacturer by a reputed manufacturer who is aware of the requirement of homologation and furthermore has been making these types of windows for a number of years.
�The representatives confirmed that they had erred in not measuring the thickness of these windows before their fitment.
�The representatives further stated that a reduction of 0.5mm was really inconsequential as far as an attempt to attain a benefit was concerned.
�The stewards agreed that a benefit was not the issue. The issue was that a technical regulation had been breached and of that there was no doubt.
�The stewards then conferred amongst themselves at length seeking a solution that would be apt under the circumstances and decide to levy a five-minute time penalty on each of the above cars as well as a penalty of a reprimand to each of the entrants for the carelessness displayed in using an incorrect part.�
The penalties have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the fifth round in the championship and as a result Marcus Gronholm drops from second to fourth in the overall classification and loses the lead in the drivers' championship. From being 2 points in front of Sebastien Loeb, he now trails the Frenchman by 1 point.
Mikko Hirvonen also loses two places and drops from third to fifth. The net effect of this is that while BP Ford originally scored 14 points, the same as Citroen, they now only score 9 points. Ford's lead in the manufacturers' is therefore reduced from 15 points to 8.
The Stobart Ford team also loses out, with Jari-Matti Latvala down from 6th in the classification to 8th. He therefore scores only one drivers' point. He also only picks up 2 for the Stobart Ford team, instead of 3. The Ford �B' team also misses out on the final manufacturers' point, as Henning Solberg drops from 9th to 11th.
Stobart third driver, Matthew Wilson and Gareth MacHale are not affected by the penalties in terms of the overall classification and despite incurring 5 minute penalties they remain 12th and 13th respectively.
The misfortune that befell the Fords, promotes Petter Solberg from fourth to second, Daniel Sordo from fifth to third, Daniel Carlsson from seventh to sixth, Gigi Galli from eighth to seventh, Manfred Stohl from tenth to ninth and Andreas Mikkelsen from eleventh to tenth.[/quote]
| Bort | 04-01-2007 06:43 PM |
Marcus must be losing his mind.
Didn't he get a DQ for a plastic water pump impeller a few years back?
Didn't he get a DQ for a plastic water pump impeller a few years back?
| WRXedUSA | 04-01-2007 09:00 PM |
Talk about BS.
| LastResort | 04-01-2007 10:06 PM |
5 minutes for .5mm, which probably totals 4 grams? Seems a bit asymmetric.
| WRXLEP | 04-01-2007 10:34 PM |
Thats ridiculous, but Im glad Petter moves up!
| Rallyroo | 04-01-2007 10:40 PM |
The technical scrutineering team is sure very thorough in their scrutineering. Dang.
| sperry7 | 04-01-2007 10:44 PM |
Is scrutineering a word?
| Rallyroo | 04-01-2007 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE=sperry7;17565660]Is scrutineering a word?[/QUOTE]
I guess you don't follow WRC jargon.
[quote=From WRC jargon dictionary]Scrutineers
Team of officials who check the eligibility and legality of rally cars before, during and after the event.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/Jargon/0,,10111,00.html[/url]
[/quote]
I guess you don't follow WRC jargon.
[quote=From WRC jargon dictionary]Scrutineers
Team of officials who check the eligibility and legality of rally cars before, during and after the event.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/Jargon/0,,10111,00.html[/url]
[/quote]
| bjorn240 | 04-01-2007 10:53 PM |
[QUOTE=LastResort;17565204]5 minutes for .5mm, which probably totals 4 grams? Seems a bit asymmetric.[/QUOTE]
Rules are rules. I think they were lucky to not be excluded, actually.
Rules are rules. I think they were lucky to not be excluded, actually.
| LastResort | 04-01-2007 11:04 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;17565753]Rules are rules. I think they were lucky to not be excluded, actually.[/QUOTE]Oh, I realize, but at the same time, 5 minutes? If (and that's a big if) the supplier really is the one that screwed up, I would expect someone is about to get a very large back charge. I would not want to be at that meeting. :shudder:
| sperry7 | 04-01-2007 11:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallyroo;17565720]I guess you don't follow WRC jargon.[/QUOTE]
haha no, I don't. I wasn't trying to make you look dumb I really had no idea. :lol: I'm getting into this rally stuff though! That Discovery show is awesome even though subaru has not done great.
haha no, I don't. I wasn't trying to make you look dumb I really had no idea. :lol: I'm getting into this rally stuff though! That Discovery show is awesome even though subaru has not done great.
| Weasel 555 | 04-02-2007 08:45 AM |
from crash.net
[url]http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~145594.htm[/url]
Ford has pledged to launch a 'detailed investigation' after six of its cars, including those of 'A' team drivers, Marcus Gronholm and Mikko Hirvonen, were penalised by the stewards.
All the 06 spec Ford Focus WRC runners - namely Gronholm and Hirvonen, as well as Stobart trio, Jari-Matti Latvala, Henning Solberg and Matthew Wilson and privateer Gareth MacHale - were given five minute penalties and a reprimand following the finish of the Rally de Portugal, the fifth round in the 2007 FIA World Rally Championship, after the event scrutineers found that the rear side windows did not comply with the homologation form of the car in terms of thickness.
Although the discrepancy was minuscule - less than half a millimetre and would have had no affect in terms of performance, Ford have accepted the judgement of the stewards and will not be appealing.
Indeed while the stewards agreed it would not have benefited the cars, it was still a breach of the regulations and as such could not go unpunished.
Ford team director Malcolm Wilson said he was �disappointed' with the whole situation, but conceded that it their own fault.
"We were disappointed to learn from the scrutineers that the team made an error," he confirmed. "We will launch a detailed investigation into how this could have happened at M-Sport."
New Times/Position after the 5 min penalties for Ford:
1.Loeb - C4 - 3h53'33"
2.P.Solberg - Subaru - 3h56'47"0
3.Sordo - C4 - 3h58'38"4
4.Gronholm - Ford - 3h59'10"2
5.Hirvonen - Ford - 4h00'41"2
6.Carlsson - Xsara - 4h01'46"3
7.Galli - Xsara - 4h03'12"7
8.Latvala - Ford - 4h04'18"0
9.Stohl - Xsara - 4h06'19"1
10.Mikkelsen - Ford - 4h07'24"7
11.H.Solberg - Ford - 4h09'45"5
12.Wilson - Ford - 4h13'09"2
[url]http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~4~id~145594.htm[/url]
Ford has pledged to launch a 'detailed investigation' after six of its cars, including those of 'A' team drivers, Marcus Gronholm and Mikko Hirvonen, were penalised by the stewards.
All the 06 spec Ford Focus WRC runners - namely Gronholm and Hirvonen, as well as Stobart trio, Jari-Matti Latvala, Henning Solberg and Matthew Wilson and privateer Gareth MacHale - were given five minute penalties and a reprimand following the finish of the Rally de Portugal, the fifth round in the 2007 FIA World Rally Championship, after the event scrutineers found that the rear side windows did not comply with the homologation form of the car in terms of thickness.
Although the discrepancy was minuscule - less than half a millimetre and would have had no affect in terms of performance, Ford have accepted the judgement of the stewards and will not be appealing.
Indeed while the stewards agreed it would not have benefited the cars, it was still a breach of the regulations and as such could not go unpunished.
Ford team director Malcolm Wilson said he was �disappointed' with the whole situation, but conceded that it their own fault.
"We were disappointed to learn from the scrutineers that the team made an error," he confirmed. "We will launch a detailed investigation into how this could have happened at M-Sport."
New Times/Position after the 5 min penalties for Ford:
1.Loeb - C4 - 3h53'33"
2.P.Solberg - Subaru - 3h56'47"0
3.Sordo - C4 - 3h58'38"4
4.Gronholm - Ford - 3h59'10"2
5.Hirvonen - Ford - 4h00'41"2
6.Carlsson - Xsara - 4h01'46"3
7.Galli - Xsara - 4h03'12"7
8.Latvala - Ford - 4h04'18"0
9.Stohl - Xsara - 4h06'19"1
10.Mikkelsen - Ford - 4h07'24"7
11.H.Solberg - Ford - 4h09'45"5
12.Wilson - Ford - 4h13'09"2
| dwmoss_68 | 04-02-2007 12:56 PM |
I think we need someone checking out Loeb's vehicle or his programming instead of the Fords. Someone needs to download a virus into his harddrive/brain!!
dm
As far as the fairness to the penalty.... i'm leaning towards the "rules are rules" argument...
i'd love to see a video interview of Marcus though when he heard the news...
my 5 year old boy calls him "the complainer"
dm
As far as the fairness to the penalty.... i'm leaning towards the "rules are rules" argument...
i'd love to see a video interview of Marcus though when he heard the news...
my 5 year old boy calls him "the complainer"
| culturedetox | 04-02-2007 01:55 PM |
If I lost 2nd and a lot of driver points for a small infraction against the rules, I would complain about that.
| RB5 Clone | 04-02-2007 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE=dwmoss_68;17571395]I think we need someone checking out Loeb's vehicle or his programming instead of the Fords. Someone needs to download a virus into his harddrive/brain!!
[/QUOTE]
evidently, the same guy installed new windows on the Fords AND did the brakes and front fork on Loeb's mountain bike last year....:devil:
[/QUOTE]
evidently, the same guy installed new windows on the Fords AND did the brakes and front fork on Loeb's mountain bike last year....:devil:
| OBShahn | 04-02-2007 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE=culturedetox;17572354]If I lost 2nd and a lot of driver points for a small infraction against the rules, I would complain about that.[/QUOTE]
Its not a small infraction.
M-Sport installed illegal parts on 6 cars, would have been 8 had the Munchis team been running.
It might have had virtually no performance impact if any at all, but that is a violation of the homolgulation on every single car running at that event...
Its not a small infraction.
M-Sport installed illegal parts on 6 cars, would have been 8 had the Munchis team been running.
It might have had virtually no performance impact if any at all, but that is a violation of the homolgulation on every single car running at that event...
| Doug Woods | 04-02-2007 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;17573891]M-Sport installed illegal parts on 6 cars, would have been 8 had the Munchis team been running.[/QUOTE]
But the Munchis muchachos are so slow that they would still be running the stages and thus would avoid the 5 minute penalty.:p
Doug Woods
But the Munchis muchachos are so slow that they would still be running the stages and thus would avoid the 5 minute penalty.:p
Doug Woods
| chimchimm5 | 04-02-2007 04:51 PM |
Looking for the first NON-torrent of this rally video. My work doesn't allow torrents.
| RB5 Clone | 04-02-2007 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=culturedetox;17572354]If I lost 2nd and a lot of driver points for a small infraction against the rules, I would complain about that.[/QUOTE]
The WRC rules are well known to all. These teams got where they are by being detail-oriented and perfectionists.
They all know the penalties.
Kudos to M-Sport for manning up and taking responsibility. They could have easily tied themselves and the FIA and WRC up in knots with lawyering while trying to weasel out of it.
The WRC rules are well known to all. These teams got where they are by being detail-oriented and perfectionists.
They all know the penalties.
Kudos to M-Sport for manning up and taking responsibility. They could have easily tied themselves and the FIA and WRC up in knots with lawyering while trying to weasel out of it.
| darel dalmasso | 04-02-2007 05:41 PM |
hello, as they walk, before all I appear, I am darel dalmasso, a boy who alive in Argentinean and between in this forum because it seems to me that he is one of but the good ones, and but that all it enchants rally to me (swrt) therefore, any doubt that they have, I can help them. my language is the Spanish, but I am going to handle itself with the translator so that they understand to me. good bye
| soldmyboxster | 04-03-2007 06:05 PM |
Looks like Atkinson's co-driver has had enough. He had at least one scary moment when they went off the road after cresting a hill in Portugal.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url]
| chimchimm5 | 04-03-2007 06:20 PM |
Is there a WRC rule that says you can't use GPS for navigation?
With topographical map information and a GPS receiver, a device; like a glorified 3D view navigation system; could be made which would show the "x-ray vision" view of what's coming up. This could be customize to include things noted in the recce. It would in no way eliminate the need for the codriver, rather, it would probably increase his duties before hand as s/he adds details to the map (like tree, rock, cut, etc).
This is a very crude version of what I'm talking about that is currently available at the consumer level nav systems:
[IMG]http://www.gpszone.ca/vehicle_gps/nuvi/nuvi350_sc_3dmap.jpg[/IMG]
I've found this mode to be useful when driving twisty mountain roads as it shows road behind the blind curve and elevation changes.
With topographical map information and a GPS receiver, a device; like a glorified 3D view navigation system; could be made which would show the "x-ray vision" view of what's coming up. This could be customize to include things noted in the recce. It would in no way eliminate the need for the codriver, rather, it would probably increase his duties before hand as s/he adds details to the map (like tree, rock, cut, etc).
This is a very crude version of what I'm talking about that is currently available at the consumer level nav systems:
[IMG]http://www.gpszone.ca/vehicle_gps/nuvi/nuvi350_sc_3dmap.jpg[/IMG]
I've found this mode to be useful when driving twisty mountain roads as it shows road behind the blind curve and elevation changes.
| bjorn240 | 04-03-2007 08:23 PM |
No, no rule prevents that at all.
| chimchimm5 | 04-03-2007 08:56 PM |
[quote=bjorn240;17592586]No, no rule prevents that at all.[/quote]
If the product was made available to you, do you think you and Travis would find it useful for your rallies?
If the product was made available to you, do you think you and Travis would find it useful for your rallies?
| meebs | 04-03-2007 10:06 PM |
I don't think GPS is necessary, everything is noted already, in the notes. :) That and a lot of the stages are re-run anyway.
| meebs | 04-03-2007 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;17590815]Looks like Atkinson's co-driver has had enough. He had at least one scary moment when they went off the road after cresting a hill in Portugal.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
They weren't the only one's who got it wrong there. I'd have to say the schedule is what made him say enough.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
They weren't the only one's who got it wrong there. I'd have to say the schedule is what made him say enough.
| Rallyroo | 04-03-2007 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;17590815]Looks like Atkinson's co-driver has had enough. He had at least one scary moment when they went off the road after cresting a hill in Portugal.
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Subscription required to read it. :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/News/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~1006085,00.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Subscription required to read it. :rolleyes:
| soldmyboxster | 04-04-2007 05:28 AM |
[QUOTE=Rallyroo;17594634]Subscription required to read it. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Really? I've been reading that site for a couple years now. Sorry.
Really? I've been reading that site for a couple years now. Sorry.
| bjorn240 | 04-04-2007 08:48 AM |
[QUOTE=chimchimm5;17593060]If the product was made available to you, do you think you and Travis would find it useful for your rallies?[/QUOTE]
No. The existing pacenotes we write are vastly more precise than GPS could ever be; there is nothing GPS could add to the situation.
OK, there is one thing GPS could add. On the recce, you could program in the road sections, and the driver could follow the road sections on the GPS, allowing the co-driver more time to clean up the notes... But on the actual stages, no.
FWIW, in the Baja 1000, we used a Lowrance GPS to mark the route with tighter corners, cautions and dangers. It works ok in Baja, but you would definitely have an advantage by pacenoting the whole course.
- Christian
No. The existing pacenotes we write are vastly more precise than GPS could ever be; there is nothing GPS could add to the situation.
OK, there is one thing GPS could add. On the recce, you could program in the road sections, and the driver could follow the road sections on the GPS, allowing the co-driver more time to clean up the notes... But on the actual stages, no.
FWIW, in the Baja 1000, we used a Lowrance GPS to mark the route with tighter corners, cautions and dangers. It works ok in Baja, but you would definitely have an advantage by pacenoting the whole course.
- Christian
| Rallyroo | 04-04-2007 10:56 AM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;17597302]Really? I've been reading that site for a couple years now. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. Interesting. Well, when I clicked the link you posted, it asks for a login and password.
Hmm. Interesting. Well, when I clicked the link you posted, it asks for a login and password.
| chimchimm5 | 04-04-2007 01:08 PM |
[quote=bjorn240;17597929]No. The existing pacenotes we write are vastly more precise than GPS could ever be; there is nothing GPS could add to the situation.
OK, there is one thing GPS could add. On the recce, you could program in the road sections, and the driver could follow the road sections on the GPS, allowing the co-driver more time to clean up the notes... But on the actual stages, no.
FWIW, in the Baja 1000, we used a Lowrance GPS to mark the route with tighter corners, cautions and dangers. It works ok in Baja, but you would definitely have an advantage by pacenoting the whole course.
- Christian[/quote]
Thanks for the response! Kinda amazing to me that I can ask a question to a famous rally team; and get a response!
Best of luck to you and Travis... I'm a fan. :)
OK, there is one thing GPS could add. On the recce, you could program in the road sections, and the driver could follow the road sections on the GPS, allowing the co-driver more time to clean up the notes... But on the actual stages, no.
FWIW, in the Baja 1000, we used a Lowrance GPS to mark the route with tighter corners, cautions and dangers. It works ok in Baja, but you would definitely have an advantage by pacenoting the whole course.
- Christian[/quote]
Thanks for the response! Kinda amazing to me that I can ask a question to a famous rally team; and get a response!
Best of luck to you and Travis... I'm a fan. :)
| OBShahn | 04-04-2007 01:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallyroo;17599174]Hmm. Interesting. Well, when I clicked the link you posted, it asks for a login and password.[/QUOTE]
To access the basic news pages it is a free subscription.
If you were a regular visitor before they tried to implement WRC+ you were cookied with a backdoor log in and pass word.
But it is free. With that said, the press release is in a billion different places, including SWRT.com.
To access the basic news pages it is a free subscription.
If you were a regular visitor before they tried to implement WRC+ you were cookied with a backdoor log in and pass word.
But it is free. With that said, the press release is in a billion different places, including SWRT.com.
| Jay911 | 04-05-2007 07:24 AM |
I agree that Ford was lucky to get away without being excluded, but the reason behind it is a little ridiculous to me. They didn't bother checking the thickness of the rear side windows and they turned out to be 0.5mm too thin? This wasn't an FIA scrutineer walking past the car and doing a double-take, saying "Whoa, something doesn't look right there." What the snap caused them to give Ford such grief? Ford is at the mercy of a supplier who didn't come through with a product as advertised (hmm.. USGP anyone?) but in this case didn't happen to know they were in violation (if you believe the statements made). The gain, as others have said, would be so immeasurable in any case..
I wonder what the response would have been if the FIA found something equally as ridiculously miniscule "out of spec" on Loeb's car.. hmm, thought.. Loeb takes the championship lead now that Marcus has essentially lost a number of points.. IBfavoritisimintheFIA? :)
I wonder what the response would have been if the FIA found something equally as ridiculously miniscule "out of spec" on Loeb's car.. hmm, thought.. Loeb takes the championship lead now that Marcus has essentially lost a number of points.. IBfavoritisimintheFIA? :)
| RB5 Clone | 04-05-2007 09:28 AM |
scrutineering silliness....vs secret tweaks
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I wonder what the response would have been if the FIA found something equally as ridiculously miniscule "out of spec" on Loeb's car.. [/QUOTE]
FIA super scrutiny after an event is nothing new. Famous case in point is Monte Carlo 1966, when the winning Mini Cooper and its stablemates were disqualified because of an obscure infraction with its headlights....something about they were supposed to have 2 separate filaments, but used one with a resistor to switch between high and low beam. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
There was dire talk of a "fix" but French authorities, and the new "winner" was so disgusted that he skipped the award ceremony.
So the infamous Ford Skinny Windows debacle is just the latest chapter in a loooong book of scrutineering silliness. OTOH, there is such a tradition of cheating in rally it's no wonder the FIA is so exacting. Remember the secret adjustable wastegates on early 90s Toyota team cars?
I wonder what the response would have been if the FIA found something equally as ridiculously miniscule "out of spec" on Loeb's car.. [/QUOTE]
FIA super scrutiny after an event is nothing new. Famous case in point is Monte Carlo 1966, when the winning Mini Cooper and its stablemates were disqualified because of an obscure infraction with its headlights....something about they were supposed to have 2 separate filaments, but used one with a resistor to switch between high and low beam. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
There was dire talk of a "fix" but French authorities, and the new "winner" was so disgusted that he skipped the award ceremony.
So the infamous Ford Skinny Windows debacle is just the latest chapter in a loooong book of scrutineering silliness. OTOH, there is such a tradition of cheating in rally it's no wonder the FIA is so exacting. Remember the secret adjustable wastegates on early 90s Toyota team cars?
| bjorn240 | 04-05-2007 03:17 PM |
As I've heard it, the Fords have been close to the weight limit recently, and there was apparently some suspicion that car #3 might have been underweight. This is, allegedly, what led to the closer inspection of the cars.
Now, I agree that it's unfortunate, and probably not M-Sport's fault. But at the end of the day, if you're the entrant of the car, you're responsible for compliance. I commend what the Ford team did in not appealing or anything. They were exceptionally stand up.
- Christian
Now, I agree that it's unfortunate, and probably not M-Sport's fault. But at the end of the day, if you're the entrant of the car, you're responsible for compliance. I commend what the Ford team did in not appealing or anything. They were exceptionally stand up.
- Christian
| fliz | 04-05-2007 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;17617755]As I've heard it, the Fords have been close to the weight limit recently, and there was apparently some suspicion that car #3 might have been underweight. This is, allegedly, what led to the closer inspection of the cars.
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The Eurosport coverage for Day 3 said that Gronholm weighed in 5kg under minimum at the end of Day 2. They were able to avoid exclusion by claiming that the weight was from missing bodywork, but I guess it led to a closer check of the windows.
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The Eurosport coverage for Day 3 said that Gronholm weighed in 5kg under minimum at the end of Day 2. They were able to avoid exclusion by claiming that the weight was from missing bodywork, but I guess it led to a closer check of the windows.
| RB5 Clone | 04-05-2007 06:15 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;17617887]... Gronholm weighed in 5kg under minimum ... able to avoid exclusion by claiming that the weight was from missing bodywork[/QUOTE]
what an EXCELLENT ploy to weasel out of a jam. That Marcus is no dummy.
"..Ya ya. Dat's from when my special 45kg mudflaps got teared off at the water splash..."
what an EXCELLENT ploy to weasel out of a jam. That Marcus is no dummy.
"..Ya ya. Dat's from when my special 45kg mudflaps got teared off at the water splash..."
| moxnix | 04-05-2007 07:28 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;17612716] Remember the secret adjustable wastegates on early 90s Toyota team cars?[/QUOTE]
These?
[url]http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ban.htm[/url]
These?
[url]http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ban.htm[/url]
| WRXedUSA | 04-05-2007 10:42 PM |
So, did the French ever figure out if Lance was on roids while they are at it?
| CirrusWRX | 04-05-2007 11:40 PM |
Finally got around to watching it and ALMOST stopped the video before, "and in a surprising last minute twist..."
heh - bummer for Ford. While it's "great" for Petter, I'm sure that's not the way he wants to podium going forward. Any rumors on who might be co-driving for Chris?
heh - bummer for Ford. While it's "great" for Petter, I'm sure that's not the way he wants to podium going forward. Any rumors on who might be co-driving for Chris?
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