| Clegg | 07-09-2006 05:14 PM |
there were many hints that he was leaving F1 at the USGP (and destroying the race in turn one sorta secured that I think) I was REALLY hope'n to see him in Champcar... they like to crash on turn one in champ car a lot... so he'd fit right in ;)
I hate IRL more than I hate NASCAR, so I guess its not the worse thing he coulda chose.
I hate IRL more than I hate NASCAR, so I guess its not the worse thing he coulda chose.
| Wr4wrX | 07-09-2006 05:32 PM |
I'll miss JPM in F1, but I'll miss Connie the most. :( / ;)
| Ferg | 07-09-2006 06:06 PM |
Q&A with JPM
[QUOTE]Q & A with Juan Pablo Montoya
Sunday, July 9th 2006, 21:54 GMT
Juan Pablo Montoya: "When people think of moving from Formula One to NASCAR, some people think I'm crazy, but I think it's exciting. I think it's a great challenge for my career.
"Coming here is probably going to be my toughest challenge ever. I think when you go watch the races and follow it, you know one weekend you can be up front and the next weekend you can be terrible.
"You have 36 races and race against really great guys, and I think sometimes people don't know how tough it is out here and how many great drivers are out here. To come here and be part of it and learn is going to be exciting.
"I think a lot of people are going to build this up and say I'm going to come here and win and do great things. Of course, I want to do that, but I think it's going to be a lot tougher than people think. I think the challenge to drive a Cup car is going to be tough.
"When the offer came and I saw the racing you guys do here, I was really ecstatic about it. I'm glad to be here. I think Chip has great guys around the team and to join them... They've already told me 'whatever you need' and I'm excited about that. To learn and deal with myself more as a driver, I think it's just great."
[B]Q: What kind of testing schedule is planned to get you up to speed?[/B]
Montoya: "First of all I've got to finish the Formula One season. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to Chip about coming here, I know it was a road course when I drove Jeff's car and it was a lot of fun. You could push the car. You could slide the car, and it was really friendly to me on the road course. That was really exciting to me.
"I think I'm going to have a very busy winter. I'm going to finish the Formula One season this year, and from there we'll just take it, do as much testing as we can."
[B]Q: What happened with the Formula One options?[/B]
Montoya: "I had a couple of options in Formula One and they were completely open for me to sign. I think coming here and starting as a rookie again, and it's going to be a brand new experience. I'm working with Chip again, and we've had a lot of success together before.
"Being here in America is exciting. I couldn't turn it down. A couple of years down the road maybe this option wasn't going to be available, and I didn't want to throw it away."
[B]Q: How much do you know about NASCAR? Have you played some of the video games?[/B]
Montoya: "I watched a lot, even before I started talking to Chip, when I was thinking about it. I love racing. I always follow racing. Racing here is so close and exciting. It's a good reason to come.
"I was talking to Casey [Mears] about 20 minutes ago and he said, 'I've done a lot of racing, but I've never had so much fun like here.' That's the reason I came here. I came here to learn and have fun.
"It's going to be tough. It's going to be hard racing. Hopefully I can learn a lot and at the end of the season get good results. It's a long season of racing, but we have long seasons when you look at the number of miles we do in Formula One cars.
"We spend the same amount of days in the car there and here, but here we are racing. When you go to Australia from my house it's 27 hours on an airplane."
[B]Q: What was the final straw in leaving Formula One and how did you justify taking a pay cut?[/B]
Montoya: "I don't think you're going to be happy getting more money and being miserable all day. When I called Chip I said, 'Chip you know what. I want to come back racing, and I think the best place to do racing is here.'
"Chip told me I needed to convince him if I really wanted to do this. He actually asked my father if I really wanted to do this, and he said he'd never seen me more convinced. It's that simple.
"It's not how many millions you're making or how much money you're making. It's a matter of three years down the line are you going to be excited about what you're doing or not. I think three years from now when I look at my career I'm going to be happier here.
"Chip is an honest person and he tells you how it is. He knows I'll give him an honest answer and that's why the relationship always worked."
[B]
Q: What does this say about NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "If it was not racing I would not be coming here. I want to work with Chip and have a lot of fun. I'm going to enjoy it. What's your ultimate goal? For me it's racing.
"Formula One has very exciting cars and technology. I'll take that away from Formula One, but anyone who watches the races knows it's not the most exciting thing you can watch. How hard is it to pass a car in Formula One? You pass 'em and you touch wheels and you're an animal."
[B]Q: Do you think your fans will follow you to NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "I think it works both ways. I'm sure I'll lose some fans and gain others. I'll get some sponsors here in America and for them to see me week in and week out will be great.
"I'm from Columbia and from Miami there is a three-hour flight. To be able to help NASCAR expand into the Latin market with a Hispanic driver is good. I think we're all winners here."
[B]
Q: Why do you think you can adapt to NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "When I started racing cars in Columbia, there were some Trans Ams there at the time. I raced those for about a year and had a lot of fun. I've driven big cars. I've driven a lot of different things. It's going to take me time. It's a challenge and that's one of the reasons to do it. It's a great challenge and there are great drivers out here."
[B]Q: Any chance you'll be moving to North Carolina (where Ganassi Racing HQ is located)?[/B]
Montoya: "I've got a place in Miami. I'm thinking about renting a place there because I've got to spend a lot of time there this winter testing the cars and learning the people I'm going to work with.
"I've got to build a good relationship. I think that's a key to success, being happy with the people you're working with and having them believing in you."
[B]Q: What if this doesn't work?[/B]
Montoya: "I think at the beginning it would not surprise me. There are great drivers here and it's a completely different form of racing. It's going to take time to learn. People are going to expect me to come in and win, and they're going to think the same thing you just asked.
"I think if you read the press release you'll see it's a multi-year deal. Why is it a multi-year deal? Because it's going to take some time to learn. The ultimate goal is of course winning, but it's not going to be easy.
"I know there's going to be races we're going to be hanging out in 30th place and you've just got to be happy to bring the car home and happy you can race the next weekend. You might bring the car home fifth or 10th or 15th.
"You have so many races. If you have a bad race in Formula One, you've got to wait two or three weeks for another one. Here, you have a bad race, the next week you just keep going on and on. I think it's always important to respect the other guys and the guys will respect you. If they trust you, you'll be in good shape."
[B]Q: How much was it being tired of F1 and how much was it wanting to be in Cup?[/B]
Montoya: "If it was more a question of getting out of F1, I would probably call Chip for his IRL team. I've won there, and I could be competitive. He's got a winning car there.
"Knowing they had a seat available here, it was a pretty exciting challenge. My family is welcomed, and I'm welcomed and that's exciting.
"My wife asked me if I was sure I wanted to do the Busch races. I said if you've got a choice between sitting in the motorhome or sitting in the race-car and learning, I'll take the race-car."[/QUOTE]
So who's getting Montoya's seat at Macca next year?
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/63226391/large.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]Q & A with Juan Pablo Montoya
Sunday, July 9th 2006, 21:54 GMT
Juan Pablo Montoya: "When people think of moving from Formula One to NASCAR, some people think I'm crazy, but I think it's exciting. I think it's a great challenge for my career.
"Coming here is probably going to be my toughest challenge ever. I think when you go watch the races and follow it, you know one weekend you can be up front and the next weekend you can be terrible.
"You have 36 races and race against really great guys, and I think sometimes people don't know how tough it is out here and how many great drivers are out here. To come here and be part of it and learn is going to be exciting.
"I think a lot of people are going to build this up and say I'm going to come here and win and do great things. Of course, I want to do that, but I think it's going to be a lot tougher than people think. I think the challenge to drive a Cup car is going to be tough.
"When the offer came and I saw the racing you guys do here, I was really ecstatic about it. I'm glad to be here. I think Chip has great guys around the team and to join them... They've already told me 'whatever you need' and I'm excited about that. To learn and deal with myself more as a driver, I think it's just great."
[B]Q: What kind of testing schedule is planned to get you up to speed?[/B]
Montoya: "First of all I've got to finish the Formula One season. One of the reasons I wanted to talk to Chip about coming here, I know it was a road course when I drove Jeff's car and it was a lot of fun. You could push the car. You could slide the car, and it was really friendly to me on the road course. That was really exciting to me.
"I think I'm going to have a very busy winter. I'm going to finish the Formula One season this year, and from there we'll just take it, do as much testing as we can."
[B]Q: What happened with the Formula One options?[/B]
Montoya: "I had a couple of options in Formula One and they were completely open for me to sign. I think coming here and starting as a rookie again, and it's going to be a brand new experience. I'm working with Chip again, and we've had a lot of success together before.
"Being here in America is exciting. I couldn't turn it down. A couple of years down the road maybe this option wasn't going to be available, and I didn't want to throw it away."
[B]Q: How much do you know about NASCAR? Have you played some of the video games?[/B]
Montoya: "I watched a lot, even before I started talking to Chip, when I was thinking about it. I love racing. I always follow racing. Racing here is so close and exciting. It's a good reason to come.
"I was talking to Casey [Mears] about 20 minutes ago and he said, 'I've done a lot of racing, but I've never had so much fun like here.' That's the reason I came here. I came here to learn and have fun.
"It's going to be tough. It's going to be hard racing. Hopefully I can learn a lot and at the end of the season get good results. It's a long season of racing, but we have long seasons when you look at the number of miles we do in Formula One cars.
"We spend the same amount of days in the car there and here, but here we are racing. When you go to Australia from my house it's 27 hours on an airplane."
[B]Q: What was the final straw in leaving Formula One and how did you justify taking a pay cut?[/B]
Montoya: "I don't think you're going to be happy getting more money and being miserable all day. When I called Chip I said, 'Chip you know what. I want to come back racing, and I think the best place to do racing is here.'
"Chip told me I needed to convince him if I really wanted to do this. He actually asked my father if I really wanted to do this, and he said he'd never seen me more convinced. It's that simple.
"It's not how many millions you're making or how much money you're making. It's a matter of three years down the line are you going to be excited about what you're doing or not. I think three years from now when I look at my career I'm going to be happier here.
"Chip is an honest person and he tells you how it is. He knows I'll give him an honest answer and that's why the relationship always worked."
[B]
Q: What does this say about NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "If it was not racing I would not be coming here. I want to work with Chip and have a lot of fun. I'm going to enjoy it. What's your ultimate goal? For me it's racing.
"Formula One has very exciting cars and technology. I'll take that away from Formula One, but anyone who watches the races knows it's not the most exciting thing you can watch. How hard is it to pass a car in Formula One? You pass 'em and you touch wheels and you're an animal."
[B]Q: Do you think your fans will follow you to NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "I think it works both ways. I'm sure I'll lose some fans and gain others. I'll get some sponsors here in America and for them to see me week in and week out will be great.
"I'm from Columbia and from Miami there is a three-hour flight. To be able to help NASCAR expand into the Latin market with a Hispanic driver is good. I think we're all winners here."
[B]
Q: Why do you think you can adapt to NASCAR?[/B]
Montoya: "When I started racing cars in Columbia, there were some Trans Ams there at the time. I raced those for about a year and had a lot of fun. I've driven big cars. I've driven a lot of different things. It's going to take me time. It's a challenge and that's one of the reasons to do it. It's a great challenge and there are great drivers out here."
[B]Q: Any chance you'll be moving to North Carolina (where Ganassi Racing HQ is located)?[/B]
Montoya: "I've got a place in Miami. I'm thinking about renting a place there because I've got to spend a lot of time there this winter testing the cars and learning the people I'm going to work with.
"I've got to build a good relationship. I think that's a key to success, being happy with the people you're working with and having them believing in you."
[B]Q: What if this doesn't work?[/B]
Montoya: "I think at the beginning it would not surprise me. There are great drivers here and it's a completely different form of racing. It's going to take time to learn. People are going to expect me to come in and win, and they're going to think the same thing you just asked.
"I think if you read the press release you'll see it's a multi-year deal. Why is it a multi-year deal? Because it's going to take some time to learn. The ultimate goal is of course winning, but it's not going to be easy.
"I know there's going to be races we're going to be hanging out in 30th place and you've just got to be happy to bring the car home and happy you can race the next weekend. You might bring the car home fifth or 10th or 15th.
"You have so many races. If you have a bad race in Formula One, you've got to wait two or three weeks for another one. Here, you have a bad race, the next week you just keep going on and on. I think it's always important to respect the other guys and the guys will respect you. If they trust you, you'll be in good shape."
[B]Q: How much was it being tired of F1 and how much was it wanting to be in Cup?[/B]
Montoya: "If it was more a question of getting out of F1, I would probably call Chip for his IRL team. I've won there, and I could be competitive. He's got a winning car there.
"Knowing they had a seat available here, it was a pretty exciting challenge. My family is welcomed, and I'm welcomed and that's exciting.
"My wife asked me if I was sure I wanted to do the Busch races. I said if you've got a choice between sitting in the motorhome or sitting in the race-car and learning, I'll take the race-car."[/QUOTE]
So who's getting Montoya's seat at Macca next year?
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/63226391/large.jpg[/IMG]
| ArtGecko | 07-09-2006 10:29 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD]Pardon me while I pick my jaw up off the floor....[/QUOTE]
You are just glad it wasn't Kimi! ;) Then you would have to buy a pickup from that crazy singing, guitar playing, salesman you have on TV down there, and bolt a lawn chair to the roof. :)
I like JPM, and this may get me to watch a few races. I have the TV in the garage on Speed all the time, so I've watch a few here and there. He'll certainly be colorful on those interview shows. He seems so stifled in the interview room in F1.
You are just glad it wasn't Kimi! ;) Then you would have to buy a pickup from that crazy singing, guitar playing, salesman you have on TV down there, and bolt a lawn chair to the roof. :)
I like JPM, and this may get me to watch a few races. I have the TV in the garage on Speed all the time, so I've watch a few here and there. He'll certainly be colorful on those interview shows. He seems so stifled in the interview room in F1.
| finnRex | 07-09-2006 11:47 PM |
Ferg, from what I've seen, I'd probably go with Lewis Hamilton. He's been doing quite well in the GP2 series(correct?). I think it might be a bit early, but I feel that he'd be able to make that jump.
Mika
Mika
| Hotrodguru | 07-10-2006 12:03 AM |
God I can't stand Montoya. I hope some good ol boys beat is a$$...and I'm talking about off track. Super talented driver, too bad he's sooo cocky and arrogant that he's losing an F1 seat.
Boris Said FTW!!!!
Boris Said FTW!!!!
| Dussander | 07-10-2006 12:03 AM |
Why is life so cruel?
| meebs | 07-10-2006 12:57 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Mot sources say he turned down a paycut at McM....
I'm not sure if you noticed the other accident in the opening lap didn't involve JPM that took out a number of drivers as well...
Guess you forgot about that??? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:o :o :o Sorry I hate explaining joke's, my sense of humor is pretty dry though so here you go, this is what makes the news so precious.
[irony] Montoya is signed to drive for another series after wiping out his [b]teammate[/b] and other drivers at the beginning of the USGP.
[/irony]:rolleyes:
I'm well aware of the man's success and accomplishments, but c'mon. :lol:
I'm not sure if you noticed the other accident in the opening lap didn't involve JPM that took out a number of drivers as well...
Guess you forgot about that??? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:o :o :o Sorry I hate explaining joke's, my sense of humor is pretty dry though so here you go, this is what makes the news so precious.
[irony] Montoya is signed to drive for another series after wiping out his [b]teammate[/b] and other drivers at the beginning of the USGP.
[/irony]:rolleyes:
I'm well aware of the man's success and accomplishments, but c'mon. :lol:
| Wr4wrX | 07-10-2006 01:10 AM |
I hope Anthony Davidson gets the second McLaren drive...okay, that was stupid, but I hope he gets a race seat sooner than later. Sheesh.
| meebs | 07-10-2006 01:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX]I hope Anthony Davidson gets the second McLaren drive...okay, that was stupid, but I hope he gets a race seat sooner than later. Sheesh.[/QUOTE]
Now is definatly these guys' chance...
Now is definatly these guys' chance...
| MattDell | 07-10-2006 02:07 AM |
I can't believe there isn't word of this on [url]www.formula1.com[/url] yet.
-Matt
-Matt
| Mark Avery | 07-10-2006 02:17 AM |
I guess I agree that F1 to NASCAR is a demotion, but look at it from Montoya's point of view. He worked his ass off and had a lot of success on his way to "the pinnacle of motorsport," a ride in F1. Since he's been there, he's been with teams good enough to win once in a while, but not consistent enough to win all the time, and in F1 winning has A LOT to do with the car. In NASCAR the cars are much more equal, and any one of a dozen or so cars can win in any race. Plus, in NASCAR he actually gets to pass other cars, instead of riding around in the usual parade that is an F1 race - passing in the pits, how exciting.
So, I can see why he would think NASCAR would be a lot more fun than F1, and really what does he have to prove? He made it to F1 won races, and made a lot of money. He realized he was probably never going to win the championship, so if he's not having any fun, why stay? Why not try something else while he's still young enough to give it 100%?
So, I can see why he would think NASCAR would be a lot more fun than F1, and really what does he have to prove? He made it to F1 won races, and made a lot of money. He realized he was probably never going to win the championship, so if he's not having any fun, why stay? Why not try something else while he's still young enough to give it 100%?
| r3wind | 07-10-2006 02:24 AM |
What a tool...Nascar is nothing compared to F1...
| hotrod | 07-10-2006 02:29 AM |
Looks like a great opportunity for both JPM and NASCAR. If he is successful he will likely make more money in NASCAR than he did in F1 due to outside promotional income.
He has most of the Americas south of the boarder as his natural market, and NASCAR is working to increase involvement in Mexico and South America. I would not be surprised to see a SASCAR series develop in Latin america and South American markets.
The exhibition races in Mexico went over very well, and race car drivers have always been popular south of the boarder.
It will be interesting to see if he can earn the respect of his fellow drivers in NASCAR, if he does he should be quite successful.
It also sends a message to F1 to get their act sorted out and get some real racing back into the series.
Larry
He has most of the Americas south of the boarder as his natural market, and NASCAR is working to increase involvement in Mexico and South America. I would not be surprised to see a SASCAR series develop in Latin america and South American markets.
The exhibition races in Mexico went over very well, and race car drivers have always been popular south of the boarder.
It will be interesting to see if he can earn the respect of his fellow drivers in NASCAR, if he does he should be quite successful.
It also sends a message to F1 to get their act sorted out and get some real racing back into the series.
Larry
| shemoves | 07-10-2006 02:32 AM |
maybe he just wanted to retire but still make money...like a pro athlete going to golf...but golf requires skill.
| XenoWolf | 07-10-2006 05:45 AM |
[SIZE=1]Wirelessly posted (SCH-A930 UP.Browser/6.2.3.2 (GUI) MMP/2.0)[/SIZE]
I want to cry... my reality is shattered.
I want to cry... my reality is shattered.
| grandpa rex | 07-10-2006 07:03 AM |
I'm sure most people remember that Speed Channel did a thing called Trading Paint, where Jeff Gordon drove Montoya's Williams and Montoya drove Gordon's Chevy, both on the road course at Indy. Gordon loved the Williams (he's not stupid), but Montoya seemed to really love the NASCAR. He talked about how fun it was to slip it around. He'll have a lot of opportunity now.
I'll miss JPM in F1. He was exciting to watch and had little fear. However, I don't believe that he ever consistently drove to his potential in F1. He should have had even more success.
Fred Z. is rolling over in his grave.
I'll miss JPM in F1. He was exciting to watch and had little fear. However, I don't believe that he ever consistently drove to his potential in F1. He should have had even more success.
Fred Z. is rolling over in his grave.
| XenoWolf | 07-10-2006 07:49 AM |
I'd much rather see JPM in a Chip Ganassi open-wheel car. Infact, I'd be ecstatic since he was so brilliant during his CART years. Montoya and Villenueve in NASCAR... might just be enough to get me to watch it again. I'll definately miss seeing him in the silver bullet though.
| StuBeck | 07-10-2006 07:53 AM |
Planet-F1 has a few articles now on it, saying he's a great driver...but only able to bring up two "good" things and misquoting one of the bad things (he got in trouble in 03 USGP not 04 USGP.) As much as they have interesting stuff every once and a while, I really dislike their biaas against some of th drivers.
| mav1c | 07-10-2006 08:04 AM |
The only thing that made me mad about this was that they showed the press conference during the Grand-Up Cup race. :mad: :furious:
| XenoWolf | 07-10-2006 08:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Hotrodguru]God I can't stand Montoya. I hope some good ol boys beat is a$$...and I'm talking about off track. Super talented driver, too bad he's sooo cocky and arrogant that he's losing an F1 seat.
Boris Said FTW!!!![/QUOTE]
Are you kidding!? You're saying Boris Said is not arrogant and cocky? Hahahaha! Give me a minute to catch my breath..
Boris Said FTW!!!![/QUOTE]
Are you kidding!? You're saying Boris Said is not arrogant and cocky? Hahahaha! Give me a minute to catch my breath..
| mykrrrr | 07-10-2006 08:50 AM |
IMO racing is racing...NASCAR or F1 or WRC or whatever. I prefer certain types of motosport but it's all racing. :p
If JPM is stoked with his decision then that's what matters. :)
If JPM is stoked with his decision then that's what matters. :)
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 09:52 AM |
[QUOTE=r3wind]What a tool...Nascar is nothing compared to F1...[/QUOTE]
yeah F1 is so cool w/all the passing, side by side racing, and multiple lead changes every lap...
oh wait thats NASCAR.
this is no way a step down or a demotion. it is simply a step in a different direction. NASACAR the top stock car series so he is moving from one series to another.
i agree the F1 cars are the pinnacle of modern technology and cup car is the pinnacle of 70s technology. but my god was the USGP dull. six cars on the lead lap? 14 finished? ugh. give me 43 cars battleing for position everyweekend. that is racing.
yeah F1 is so cool w/all the passing, side by side racing, and multiple lead changes every lap...
oh wait thats NASCAR.
this is no way a step down or a demotion. it is simply a step in a different direction. NASACAR the top stock car series so he is moving from one series to another.
i agree the F1 cars are the pinnacle of modern technology and cup car is the pinnacle of 70s technology. but my god was the USGP dull. six cars on the lead lap? 14 finished? ugh. give me 43 cars battleing for position everyweekend. that is racing.
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 09:55 AM |
[QUOTE=Hotrodguru]God I can't stand Montoya. I hope some good ol boys beat is a$$...and I'm talking about off track. Super talented driver, too bad he's sooo cocky and arrogant that he's losing an F1 seat.
Boris Said FTW!!!![/QUOTE]
a race driver is cocky? my god no, i refuse to believe such a thing! :rolleyes:
there are a few careers where it pays to be cocky. Racecar drivers and Fighter pilots.
Boris Said FTW!!!![/QUOTE]
a race driver is cocky? my god no, i refuse to believe such a thing! :rolleyes:
there are a few careers where it pays to be cocky. Racecar drivers and Fighter pilots.
| rage557 | 07-10-2006 09:56 AM |
If I wanted to see cars drive in a circle I would sit on a lawn chair in the culdisac near my house.
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 10:02 AM |
[QUOTE=rage557]If I wanted to see cars drive in a circle I would sit on a lawn chair in the culdisac near my house.[/QUOTE]
if i wanted to watch a bunch of cars w/huge wings play follow the leader i would go watch a honda car club cruise.
if i wanted to watch a bunch of cars w/huge wings play follow the leader i would go watch a honda car club cruise.
| hikeeba | 07-10-2006 10:03 AM |
I was surprised to hear the news. At first, I was dissappointed. But after thinking about it for a little while (While sucking my thumb and rocking back and forth in a corner), I think this is good for JPM, good for NASCORE, and could potentially be good for racing in general.
I've been a fan of JPM since his CART days. He is a racer, and has always been fun to watch. He will fit in well in NASCORE, and I wish him luck. However, he will onlybe as good as the car the team puts under him. I have not watched a NASCAR race since I was a kid. Now that JPM will be there, I will tune it for at least the first few races, and the road courses. However, I will not convert completely over to teh NASCORE. I will continue to follow F! and Champ Car.
But think about how JPM's move could impact the future. We could see an influx of talented foreign drivers and teams from outside the US in NASCAR. That may be a stretch, but it is certainly fun to think about. NASCAR would then extended their season out to 46 weeks, adding races in different countries. In time the technology level would increase, and the good 'ol boy aspect of the sport would be left far behind...
Possibly a little more realistic - JPM races for three years in NASCAR. Within that time, IRL and Champ Car have combined. After his time in with the NASCAR team, JPM moves to the IRL/Champ Car series.
Or... Ganassi, Montoya, Target - Does anyone smell a future for Honda in NASCAR? Toyota's coming next year, it would only be fitting for Honda to chase their adversary onot the NASCORE battlefield. That would be AWESOME!
I've been a fan of JPM since his CART days. He is a racer, and has always been fun to watch. He will fit in well in NASCORE, and I wish him luck. However, he will onlybe as good as the car the team puts under him. I have not watched a NASCAR race since I was a kid. Now that JPM will be there, I will tune it for at least the first few races, and the road courses. However, I will not convert completely over to teh NASCORE. I will continue to follow F! and Champ Car.
But think about how JPM's move could impact the future. We could see an influx of talented foreign drivers and teams from outside the US in NASCAR. That may be a stretch, but it is certainly fun to think about. NASCAR would then extended their season out to 46 weeks, adding races in different countries. In time the technology level would increase, and the good 'ol boy aspect of the sport would be left far behind...
Possibly a little more realistic - JPM races for three years in NASCAR. Within that time, IRL and Champ Car have combined. After his time in with the NASCAR team, JPM moves to the IRL/Champ Car series.
Or... Ganassi, Montoya, Target - Does anyone smell a future for Honda in NASCAR? Toyota's coming next year, it would only be fitting for Honda to chase their adversary onot the NASCORE battlefield. That would be AWESOME!
| Bonzo | 07-10-2006 10:18 AM |
After some thought I have just regained much respect and now see JPM as having more balls than anyone in the F1 paddock.
He went ahead and took conrtrol of his fate versus waiting around for someone to offer a good ride. He knows what he likes and a group he likes to work with. F1 is not all what it cracks up to be.
JPM is taking a risk not many in any racing circle have the balls to do. Failiure is a scary thought. He is very humble as to the amount of learning that needs to be done just to be able to compete. He knows it's super tough and he's going to struggle but if you don't take a chance you don't grow.
The only other racer in recent times that took a risk like this is Vakentino switch from juggernaut Honda to 2nd class Yamaha.
Good for JPM and this is also great for racing on both sides of the pond. Who knows, maybe Shumacher might get bored after a year of retirment and want to have some close quarters FUN.
This will also give some credence to the amount of talent needed to drive a nascar competitively. It's far from easy you ignorant foos.
He went ahead and took conrtrol of his fate versus waiting around for someone to offer a good ride. He knows what he likes and a group he likes to work with. F1 is not all what it cracks up to be.
JPM is taking a risk not many in any racing circle have the balls to do. Failiure is a scary thought. He is very humble as to the amount of learning that needs to be done just to be able to compete. He knows it's super tough and he's going to struggle but if you don't take a chance you don't grow.
The only other racer in recent times that took a risk like this is Vakentino switch from juggernaut Honda to 2nd class Yamaha.
Good for JPM and this is also great for racing on both sides of the pond. Who knows, maybe Shumacher might get bored after a year of retirment and want to have some close quarters FUN.
This will also give some credence to the amount of talent needed to drive a nascar competitively. It's far from easy you ignorant foos.
| enduroshark | 07-10-2006 10:22 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]if i wanted to watch a bunch of cars w/huge wings play follow the leader i would go watch a honda car club cruise.[/QUOTE]
LOL!! Good one.
Well, I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I'm a racing fan and I'm a JPM fan, so I'll definitely be watching some NASCAR next year. It makes a difference when you have someone to root for.
How can anyone here think it's a "demotion"? He'll be making tons of money, in a friendlier environment, closer to home and in a series where the driver can make more of a difference in the result.
Yeah, the cars are different and the technology is not as "advanced", but does it make it more exiting for the viewer or the driver?
As far as more passing in NASCAR vs. F1, that's like comparing basketball to soccer. The exitement of watching racing is not ONLY in a pass.
F1 should take note. When you have top drivers looking at NASCAR vs. F1, that should make them pay attention to why.
LOL!! Good one.
Well, I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I'm a racing fan and I'm a JPM fan, so I'll definitely be watching some NASCAR next year. It makes a difference when you have someone to root for.
How can anyone here think it's a "demotion"? He'll be making tons of money, in a friendlier environment, closer to home and in a series where the driver can make more of a difference in the result.
Yeah, the cars are different and the technology is not as "advanced", but does it make it more exiting for the viewer or the driver?
As far as more passing in NASCAR vs. F1, that's like comparing basketball to soccer. The exitement of watching racing is not ONLY in a pass.
F1 should take note. When you have top drivers looking at NASCAR vs. F1, that should make them pay attention to why.
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 10:27 AM |
[QUOTE=enduroshark]LOL!! Good one.
Well, I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I'm a racing fan and I'm a JPM fan, so I'll definitely be watching some NASCAR next year. It makes a difference when you have someone to root for.
How can anyone here think it's a "demotion"? He'll be making tons of money, in a friendlier environment, closer to home and in a series where the driver can make more of a difference in the result.
Yeah, the cars are different and the technology is not as "advanced", but does it make it more exiting for the viewer or the driver?
As far as more passing in NASCAR vs. F1, that's like comparing basketball to soccer. The exitement of watching racing is not ONLY in a pass.
F1 should take note. When you have top drivers looking at NASCAR vs. F1, that should make them pay attention to why.[/QUOTE]
glad someone appreciated my little joke.
i do like F1 but if there is no opportunity for passing that makes for very dull racing. when there are 10 laps to go and any car in the top 10 could pull off a win makes for some damn exciting racing.
there have been some very exciting F1 (the british GP a couple years ago was pretty good) races but most of the ones i watched this season were pretty dull. if it werent for the description on the cable box i wouldnt have known if i was watching qualifying or an actual race.
edit to add:
regarding passing. i guess i dont put too much emphasis on passing since my favorite motorsport is rally.
now if we could get JPM into a rally car, that would be awesome. since he will now be in the states maybe we could get him into a car for a RA event.
Well, I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I'm a racing fan and I'm a JPM fan, so I'll definitely be watching some NASCAR next year. It makes a difference when you have someone to root for.
How can anyone here think it's a "demotion"? He'll be making tons of money, in a friendlier environment, closer to home and in a series where the driver can make more of a difference in the result.
Yeah, the cars are different and the technology is not as "advanced", but does it make it more exiting for the viewer or the driver?
As far as more passing in NASCAR vs. F1, that's like comparing basketball to soccer. The exitement of watching racing is not ONLY in a pass.
F1 should take note. When you have top drivers looking at NASCAR vs. F1, that should make them pay attention to why.[/QUOTE]
glad someone appreciated my little joke.
i do like F1 but if there is no opportunity for passing that makes for very dull racing. when there are 10 laps to go and any car in the top 10 could pull off a win makes for some damn exciting racing.
there have been some very exciting F1 (the british GP a couple years ago was pretty good) races but most of the ones i watched this season were pretty dull. if it werent for the description on the cable box i wouldnt have known if i was watching qualifying or an actual race.
edit to add:
regarding passing. i guess i dont put too much emphasis on passing since my favorite motorsport is rally.
now if we could get JPM into a rally car, that would be awesome. since he will now be in the states maybe we could get him into a car for a RA event.
| ptclaus98 | 07-10-2006 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]I'd much rather see JPM in a Chip Ganassi open-wheel car. Infact, I'd be ecstatic since he was so brilliant during his CART years. Montoya and Villenueve in NASCAR... might just be enough to get me to watch it again. I'll definately miss seeing him in the silver bullet though.[/QUOTE]
You mean the silver turd?
You mean the silver turd?
| Student Driver | 07-10-2006 12:28 PM |
Can he even eat burgers and fries? Well, I think part of the move is that he knows he'll be happy and [i]appreciated[/i] by the team. Not to mention he'll be in a competitive car for the series he's running in. McLaren just can't stop screwing up, but I hope that the newest hopeful (Hamilton) from GP2 gets a better car than his predecessors did. Still, I would have rather seen him at Red Bull.
| gills | 07-10-2006 12:45 PM |
Good, Montoya is a donkey and he has proven that he doesn't have what it takes to win in F1.....................THE RIGHT TEAM! lol
| REX8 | 07-10-2006 12:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Student Driver]Can he even eat burgers and fries? Well, I think part of the move is that he knows he'll be happy and [i]appreciated[/i] by the team. Not to mention he'll be in a competitive car for the series he's running in. McLaren just can't stop screwing up, but I hope that the newest hopeful (Hamilton) from GP2 gets a better car than his predecessors did. Still, I would have rather seen him at Red Bull.[/QUOTE]
I would have liked to see him in the "New(ey)" car for two more years as well.
I think JPM's personality has calmed since being at Mc. He doens't seem to be a fan of the nature of F1 anymore (maybe due to his recent lack of results), or maybe he's just more of a "family" guy now. In any case, money and a relaxed atmosphere where he doesn't have to be lookign over his shoulder every year is something I'm sure he'll enjoy.
I'm still shocked, but you know what...change is good.
And I will say this, if JPM has been demoted, so has F1. I don't think anyone would say that the loss of a talented aggressive driver in F1 is a good thing.
Seriously, you just had a guy in the top-handful of F1 drivers walk off to Nascar...
I would have liked to see him in the "New(ey)" car for two more years as well.
I think JPM's personality has calmed since being at Mc. He doens't seem to be a fan of the nature of F1 anymore (maybe due to his recent lack of results), or maybe he's just more of a "family" guy now. In any case, money and a relaxed atmosphere where he doesn't have to be lookign over his shoulder every year is something I'm sure he'll enjoy.
I'm still shocked, but you know what...change is good.
And I will say this, if JPM has been demoted, so has F1. I don't think anyone would say that the loss of a talented aggressive driver in F1 is a good thing.
Seriously, you just had a guy in the top-handful of F1 drivers walk off to Nascar...
| REX8 | 07-10-2006 12:49 PM |
[QUOTE=gills]Good, Montoya is a donkey and he has proven that he doesn't have what it takes to win in F1.....................THE RIGHT TEAM! lol[/QUOTE]
:lol: ...
A donkey with some of the fastest hands in the business
:lol: ...
A donkey with some of the fastest hands in the business
| ptclaus98 | 07-10-2006 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]glad someone appreciated my little joke.
i do like F1 but if there is no opportunity for passing that makes for very dull racing. when there are 10 laps to go and any car in the top 10 could pull off a win makes for some damn exciting racing.
there have been some very exciting F1 (the british GP a couple years ago was pretty good) races but most of the ones i watched this season were pretty dull. if it werent for the description on the cable box i wouldnt have known if i was watching qualifying or an actual race.
edit to add:
regarding passing. i guess i dont put too much emphasis on passing since my favorite motorsport is rally.
now if we could get JPM into a rally car, that would be awesome. since he will now be in the states maybe we could get him into a car for a RA event.[/QUOTE]
I keep hearing y'all talk about passing being exciting. Yeah, sure the fact that the field is open in NASCAR is great and all. But how exciting can it be when it happens routinely. Look, I'm not bashing NASCAR, but in F1 when passes do happen, it's because of the ability of the driver, the strategy of the team, and the work the guys in the pit do. The pass that Alonso pulled in Bahrain. That was a TEAM effort. The way y'all are talking about NASCAR makes it seem like the team can make the mistake and the driver can just bump his way in. I dunno, it just seems like there's no precision involved(correct me if I'm wrong).
The best way I could sum it up is: Think about football. One team has an AMAZING QB. But he may be the only guy worth anything, or he may have some guys around him. The other team is just that: a TEAM. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing, but most of all, they worry about their job first and foremost. Which team gets further?
That was probably a bad comaprison, but it's all I got.
i do like F1 but if there is no opportunity for passing that makes for very dull racing. when there are 10 laps to go and any car in the top 10 could pull off a win makes for some damn exciting racing.
there have been some very exciting F1 (the british GP a couple years ago was pretty good) races but most of the ones i watched this season were pretty dull. if it werent for the description on the cable box i wouldnt have known if i was watching qualifying or an actual race.
edit to add:
regarding passing. i guess i dont put too much emphasis on passing since my favorite motorsport is rally.
now if we could get JPM into a rally car, that would be awesome. since he will now be in the states maybe we could get him into a car for a RA event.[/QUOTE]
I keep hearing y'all talk about passing being exciting. Yeah, sure the fact that the field is open in NASCAR is great and all. But how exciting can it be when it happens routinely. Look, I'm not bashing NASCAR, but in F1 when passes do happen, it's because of the ability of the driver, the strategy of the team, and the work the guys in the pit do. The pass that Alonso pulled in Bahrain. That was a TEAM effort. The way y'all are talking about NASCAR makes it seem like the team can make the mistake and the driver can just bump his way in. I dunno, it just seems like there's no precision involved(correct me if I'm wrong).
The best way I could sum it up is: Think about football. One team has an AMAZING QB. But he may be the only guy worth anything, or he may have some guys around him. The other team is just that: a TEAM. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing, but most of all, they worry about their job first and foremost. Which team gets further?
That was probably a bad comaprison, but it's all I got.
| randy zimmer | 07-10-2006 02:04 PM |
I was looking for comparative lap times at Tradin Paint and found this.
Pretty close to true for being wild fantasy...
[url]http://www.motorsport.com/magazine/feature.asp?C=OverTheWall&D=2003-06-13[/url]
BTW, the times are here:
[url]http://www.geocities.com/johnsonindy500/brickyard400/tradinpaint.html[/url]
Montoya reportedly drove a shake-down lap in the Williams-BMW F1 car at a time of 1:15.2 (only 1.3 faster than Gordon's best time in the same car).
Gordon reportedly drove a shake down lap in the #24 DuPont Chevy at a time of 1:38.8 (only 1.1 seconds quicker than Montoya's best time in the same car).
Pretty close to true for being wild fantasy...
[url]http://www.motorsport.com/magazine/feature.asp?C=OverTheWall&D=2003-06-13[/url]
BTW, the times are here:
[url]http://www.geocities.com/johnsonindy500/brickyard400/tradinpaint.html[/url]
Montoya reportedly drove a shake-down lap in the Williams-BMW F1 car at a time of 1:15.2 (only 1.3 faster than Gordon's best time in the same car).
Gordon reportedly drove a shake down lap in the #24 DuPont Chevy at a time of 1:38.8 (only 1.1 seconds quicker than Montoya's best time in the same car).
| Mild7 | 07-10-2006 02:07 PM |
Well at least now he can run into other cars and not be out of the race!
| SpinAll4 | 07-10-2006 02:17 PM |
I havent posted here in years, but when i saw this news i had to come back to nasioc.
Am i right when i've only seen one person bring up 'Chili Dog'!!!!! What the he!!?
GO CHILI DOG!!!
(if you want to see what all the Chili Dog stuff is all about, search the Motorsports forum back to '02-'03.)
RB
02 WRX gone, but not forgotten.
(Audi guy again)
Am i right when i've only seen one person bring up 'Chili Dog'!!!!! What the he!!?
GO CHILI DOG!!!
(if you want to see what all the Chili Dog stuff is all about, search the Motorsports forum back to '02-'03.)
RB
02 WRX gone, but not forgotten.
(Audi guy again)
| artkevin | 07-10-2006 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Mild7]Well at least now he can run into other cars and not be out of the race![/QUOTE]
See post number 42.
See post number 42.
| MattDell | 07-10-2006 03:09 PM |
Did anyone watch Dave Despain last night?
That one caller "We cant be havin them foreigners comin inta NASCAWR!! Dey wanna drive NASCAR dey shuld make ther own series!! I think one of the main appeals to NASCAR is all the domestic drivers dat u can follow up through the dirt racin!!"
:lol:
-Matt
That one caller "We cant be havin them foreigners comin inta NASCAWR!! Dey wanna drive NASCAR dey shuld make ther own series!! I think one of the main appeals to NASCAR is all the domestic drivers dat u can follow up through the dirt racin!!"
:lol:
-Matt
| enduroshark | 07-10-2006 03:20 PM |
LOL I saw that.
| Opie | 07-10-2006 03:25 PM |
So for 2007 NASCAR gets the first "import" to the series in a long, long time...and they get a F1 series experienced driver running the Cup season.
It will be a great year for NASCAR....
It will be interesting to see how an F1 driver compares to a NASCAR driver since everyone here seems to think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I predict he will get owned all year long...
It will be a great year for NASCAR....
It will be interesting to see how an F1 driver compares to a NASCAR driver since everyone here seems to think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I predict he will get owned all year long...
| artkevin | 07-10-2006 03:45 PM |
Of course he will get owned but not all year. It will take time for him to get up to speed. No one doubts that Nico Rosberg is the real deal but he is having to find his feet in f1 just as anyone hasto learn their craft. Whats the line from Days of Thunder, its a car that is twice as heavy with tires half as thick?
I think he will do very well on the road courses for two reasons. They are deaper into the season so he will have seat time and he is naturally gifted without a doubt.
I also think that if you read the thread there are plenty of JPM haters in here that think he is nothing but a bully that can barely drive. I however am not one of them.
I think he will do very well on the road courses for two reasons. They are deaper into the season so he will have seat time and he is naturally gifted without a doubt.
I also think that if you read the thread there are plenty of JPM haters in here that think he is nothing but a bully that can barely drive. I however am not one of them.
| EBWRC#1 | 07-10-2006 04:30 PM |
Has Montoya been under the influence of pandebono and ajiaco lately?
| f1vlad | 07-10-2006 04:57 PM |
Wow I am downloading file:
"Juan Pablo Montoya Nascar Press Conference 7-9-06 Chicagoland Speedway.avi.torrent"
I will let you know if it's any good!
"Juan Pablo Montoya Nascar Press Conference 7-9-06 Chicagoland Speedway.avi.torrent"
I will let you know if it's any good!
| Student Driver | 07-10-2006 04:58 PM |
[QUOTE=f1vlad]Wow I am downloading file:
"Juan Pablo Montoya Nascar Press Conference 7-9-06 Chicagoland Speedway.avi.torrent"
I will let you know if it's any good![/QUOTE]
I hear it has a sad ending, let us know.
"Juan Pablo Montoya Nascar Press Conference 7-9-06 Chicagoland Speedway.avi.torrent"
I will let you know if it's any good![/QUOTE]
I hear it has a sad ending, let us know.
| StuBeck | 07-10-2006 05:00 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Of course he will get owned but not all year. It will take time for him to get up to speed. No one doubts that Nico Rosberg is the real deal but he is having to find his feet in f1 just as anyone hasto learn their craft. Whats the line from Days of Thunder, its a car that is twice as heavy with tires half as thick?
I think he will do very well on the road courses for two reasons. They are deaper into the season so he will have seat time and he is naturally gifted without a doubt.
I also think that if you read the thread there are plenty of JPM haters in here that think he is nothing but a bully that can barely drive. I however am not one of them.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. The people who really dislike JPM seem to just be taking stuff from this season and not the rest of his career, like his string of poles in 2002 with a slow car or his string of victories last year once the MP4/20 had been figured out.
I think he will do very well on the road courses for two reasons. They are deaper into the season so he will have seat time and he is naturally gifted without a doubt.
I also think that if you read the thread there are plenty of JPM haters in here that think he is nothing but a bully that can barely drive. I however am not one of them.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. The people who really dislike JPM seem to just be taking stuff from this season and not the rest of his career, like his string of poles in 2002 with a slow car or his string of victories last year once the MP4/20 had been figured out.
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]I keep hearing y'all talk about passing being exciting. Yeah, sure the fact that the field is open in NASCAR is great and all. But how exciting can it be when it happens routinely. Look, I'm not bashing NASCAR, but in F1 when passes do happen, it's because of the ability of the driver, the strategy of the team, and the work the guys in the pit do. The pass that Alonso pulled in Bahrain. That was a TEAM effort. The way y'all are talking about NASCAR makes it seem like the team can make the mistake and the driver can just bump his way in. I dunno, it just seems like there's no precision involved(correct me if I'm wrong).
The best way I could sum it up is: Think about football. One team has an AMAZING QB. But he may be the only guy worth anything, or he may have some guys around him. The other team is just that: a TEAM. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing, but most of all, they worry about their job first and foremost. Which team gets further?
That was probably a bad comaprison, but it's all I got.[/QUOTE]
NASCAR is just as much of a team sport as F1. but instead of 1 or 2 pitstops there can be 5-6 (or more). they also have to do 5 lugs per tire as opposed to 1. the fuel is dumped in from cans rather than a hose. this is all done in under 15 seconds some times. and i think they have less guys over the wall than F1. plus they clean the windshield and grille and give the driver something to drink. so yes a pit crew can win or loose the race.
no the driver can not bully his way to the front all by himself. he may have to work with other cars out there (more than likely a team mate). but the difference is in NASCAR there are more opportunities to pass than in F1. so yeah if JPMs pit crew sucks he is screwed and there is nothing he can do about it. if they take 5 seconds longer than another team he is screwed. 5 second is a long time when the cars are going 200 MPH at daytona or talledega.
i have watched enough F1 over the last 10 years or so to be able to spot the differences between the two series. and it is pretty obvious that NASCAR has a lot more competion on the track than in F1.
i remember seeing Dale earnhardt work his way from 24th to first in a few laps. it was amazing. more passing does not make passing dull.
the fact that you can name one pass from a race doesnt make that pass any more special than the sseveral hundred that can happen in a NASCAR race.
i love seeing passing. and repassing. and side by side racing w/two drivers trying to pass each other over the course of several laps. i love it when a team takes a gamble and only puts 2 new tires on instead of 4 to save time in the pits. i love seeing two (or more) pit crews scrambling in the pits to beat another team out.
last weekend at the pepsi 400 boris said had about a 2 car lenght lead and was holdong on pretty good tony was trying to catch him and was slowly reeling him in. then there was a caution and they had a single file restart. boris held on for a little while and then tony had some one draft with him and they both went around boris to take the lead. they all tried to pass tony but it just wasnt going to happen. when he won he drove a reverse direction victory lap. climbe the fence into the flag stand and took the check and then climbed down into the crowd.
untill F1 can achieve that level of intimacy from its fans i will always watch a NASCAR race over a F1 race.
PS: i liked how you opened your pro F1 post w/y'all.
The best way I could sum it up is: Think about football. One team has an AMAZING QB. But he may be the only guy worth anything, or he may have some guys around him. The other team is just that: a TEAM. Everybody knows what everybody else is doing, but most of all, they worry about their job first and foremost. Which team gets further?
That was probably a bad comaprison, but it's all I got.[/QUOTE]
NASCAR is just as much of a team sport as F1. but instead of 1 or 2 pitstops there can be 5-6 (or more). they also have to do 5 lugs per tire as opposed to 1. the fuel is dumped in from cans rather than a hose. this is all done in under 15 seconds some times. and i think they have less guys over the wall than F1. plus they clean the windshield and grille and give the driver something to drink. so yes a pit crew can win or loose the race.
no the driver can not bully his way to the front all by himself. he may have to work with other cars out there (more than likely a team mate). but the difference is in NASCAR there are more opportunities to pass than in F1. so yeah if JPMs pit crew sucks he is screwed and there is nothing he can do about it. if they take 5 seconds longer than another team he is screwed. 5 second is a long time when the cars are going 200 MPH at daytona or talledega.
i have watched enough F1 over the last 10 years or so to be able to spot the differences between the two series. and it is pretty obvious that NASCAR has a lot more competion on the track than in F1.
i remember seeing Dale earnhardt work his way from 24th to first in a few laps. it was amazing. more passing does not make passing dull.
the fact that you can name one pass from a race doesnt make that pass any more special than the sseveral hundred that can happen in a NASCAR race.
i love seeing passing. and repassing. and side by side racing w/two drivers trying to pass each other over the course of several laps. i love it when a team takes a gamble and only puts 2 new tires on instead of 4 to save time in the pits. i love seeing two (or more) pit crews scrambling in the pits to beat another team out.
last weekend at the pepsi 400 boris said had about a 2 car lenght lead and was holdong on pretty good tony was trying to catch him and was slowly reeling him in. then there was a caution and they had a single file restart. boris held on for a little while and then tony had some one draft with him and they both went around boris to take the lead. they all tried to pass tony but it just wasnt going to happen. when he won he drove a reverse direction victory lap. climbe the fence into the flag stand and took the check and then climbed down into the crowd.
untill F1 can achieve that level of intimacy from its fans i will always watch a NASCAR race over a F1 race.
PS: i liked how you opened your pro F1 post w/y'all.
| greg donovan | 07-10-2006 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]I agree completely. The people who really dislike JPM seem to just be taking stuff from this season and not the rest of his career, like his string of poles in 2002 with a slow car or his string of victories last year once the MP4/20 had been figured out.[/QUOTE]
as you can probebly guess i also agree. my JPM CART rookie season die-cast Honda is one of my favorite collectables. right up there w/my Lovell rally car. i look forward to adding his Nextel Cup Car to the collection.
i am very excited to see him in NASCAR. i think it is just what he and NASCAR needs right now. Ganassi has a great Cup team. i am sure he will do fine.
as you can probebly guess i also agree. my JPM CART rookie season die-cast Honda is one of my favorite collectables. right up there w/my Lovell rally car. i look forward to adding his Nextel Cup Car to the collection.
i am very excited to see him in NASCAR. i think it is just what he and NASCAR needs right now. Ganassi has a great Cup team. i am sure he will do fine.
| ptclaus98 | 07-10-2006 05:53 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]
i have watched enough F1 over the last 10 years or so to be able to spot the differences between the two series. and it is pretty obvious that NASCAR has a lot more competion on the track than in F1.
i remember seeing Dale earnhardt work his way from 24th to first in a few laps. it was amazing. more passing does not make passing dull.
the fact that you can name one pass from a race doesnt make that pass any more special than the sseveral hundred that can happen in a NASCAR race.
i love seeing passing. and repassing. and side by side racing w/two drivers trying to pass each other over the course of several laps. i love it when a team takes a gamble and only puts 2 new tires on instead of 4 to save time in the pits. i love seeing two (or more) pit crews scrambling in the pits to beat another team out.
last weekend at the pepsi 400 boris said had about a 2 car lenght lead and was holdong on pretty good tony was trying to catch him and was slowly reeling him in. then there was a caution and they had a single file restart. boris held on for a little while and then tony had some one draft with him and they both went around boris to take the lead. they all tried to pass tony but it just wasnt going to happen. when he won he drove a reverse direction victory lap. climbe the fence into the flag stand and took the check and then climbed down into the crowd.
untill F1 can achieve that level of intimacy from its fans i will always watch a NASCAR race over a F1 race.
PS: i liked how you opened your pro F1 post w/y'all.[/QUOTE]
I would agree that NASCAR has more passing. The thing is in F1, since the superior cars are ones at the head of the grid, they take off. The fun part is in watching the guys in the middle of the pack battle it out. Sometimes you get a superior guy stuck in the back of the grid. Like Kimi in Bahrain, and Schumi in Monaco. Kimi came from P22(?) to P3, And Schumi came from P22 to P5 in Monaco, which is an extremely difficult place to pass.
i have watched enough F1 over the last 10 years or so to be able to spot the differences between the two series. and it is pretty obvious that NASCAR has a lot more competion on the track than in F1.
i remember seeing Dale earnhardt work his way from 24th to first in a few laps. it was amazing. more passing does not make passing dull.
the fact that you can name one pass from a race doesnt make that pass any more special than the sseveral hundred that can happen in a NASCAR race.
i love seeing passing. and repassing. and side by side racing w/two drivers trying to pass each other over the course of several laps. i love it when a team takes a gamble and only puts 2 new tires on instead of 4 to save time in the pits. i love seeing two (or more) pit crews scrambling in the pits to beat another team out.
last weekend at the pepsi 400 boris said had about a 2 car lenght lead and was holdong on pretty good tony was trying to catch him and was slowly reeling him in. then there was a caution and they had a single file restart. boris held on for a little while and then tony had some one draft with him and they both went around boris to take the lead. they all tried to pass tony but it just wasnt going to happen. when he won he drove a reverse direction victory lap. climbe the fence into the flag stand and took the check and then climbed down into the crowd.
untill F1 can achieve that level of intimacy from its fans i will always watch a NASCAR race over a F1 race.
PS: i liked how you opened your pro F1 post w/y'all.[/QUOTE]
I would agree that NASCAR has more passing. The thing is in F1, since the superior cars are ones at the head of the grid, they take off. The fun part is in watching the guys in the middle of the pack battle it out. Sometimes you get a superior guy stuck in the back of the grid. Like Kimi in Bahrain, and Schumi in Monaco. Kimi came from P22(?) to P3, And Schumi came from P22 to P5 in Monaco, which is an extremely difficult place to pass.
| artkevin | 07-10-2006 06:00 PM |
IMO its just oval vs. road racing not really NASCAR vs. F1 when you talk about passing. Passing and re passing in oval is often based on drafting and team work. It doesn't matter if you are talking about F1, LeMans or SCCA, its all down to driver skill and luck when it comes to a pass. I am not knocking NASCAR, I can understand fully why people like it, I am just not a fan of ovals. I watch them when they road race.
| f1vlad | 07-10-2006 06:03 PM |
I think those of you who don't appreciate Nascar should go to Imax and see movie about Nascar. I didn't even want to hear word "Nascar" before August. Then I wound up in Daytona Beach,FL for a weekend and with tons of time on my hands, I went to Speedway. Went to see Imax about Nascar and learnt so much new that it made me watch occasional Nascar races on SpeedTV. I am still not a great fan I am now interested.
In fact, I am going to New Hampshire Int'l Speedway this weekend to see Nascar practice and qualifying. I live 40 mi from NHIS.com.
In fact, I am going to New Hampshire Int'l Speedway this weekend to see Nascar practice and qualifying. I live 40 mi from NHIS.com.
| meebs | 07-10-2006 07:59 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]Did anyone watch Dave Despain last night?
That one caller "We cant be havin them foreigners comin inta NASCAWR!! Dey wanna drive NASCAR dey shuld make ther own series!! I think one of the main appeals to NASCAR is all the domestic drivers dat u can follow up through the dirt racin!!"
:lol:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
What was Dave's reply? I'm sure for every 1 F1 snob, there's probably 10 Nascar snobs. :lol:
That one caller "We cant be havin them foreigners comin inta NASCAWR!! Dey wanna drive NASCAR dey shuld make ther own series!! I think one of the main appeals to NASCAR is all the domestic drivers dat u can follow up through the dirt racin!!"
:lol:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
What was Dave's reply? I'm sure for every 1 F1 snob, there's probably 10 Nascar snobs. :lol:
| f1vlad | 07-10-2006 09:41 PM |
Pretty interesting press conference with Montoya and his future boss.
If anyone interested I'll upoad to rapidshare.de (please save complains about pop ups.)
If anyone interested I'll upoad to rapidshare.de (please save complains about pop ups.)
| KAX | 07-10-2006 10:18 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98]I would agree that NASCAR has more passing. The thing is in F1, since the superior cars are ones at the head of the grid, they take off. The fun part is in watching the guys in the middle of the pack battle it out. Sometimes you get a superior guy stuck in the back of the grid. Like Kimi in Bahrain, and Schumi in Monaco. Kimi came from P22(?) to P3, And Schumi came from P22 to P5 in Monaco, which is an extremely difficult place to pass.[/QUOTE]
yes but how much of that was pit strategy? they all end up behind villeneuve and sit there until he pits because they cant pass.
i agree completely with montoya in that nascar is probably more racing then F1 is. will i start watching nascar now? hell no, F1 is much better.
yes but how much of that was pit strategy? they all end up behind villeneuve and sit there until he pits because they cant pass.
i agree completely with montoya in that nascar is probably more racing then F1 is. will i start watching nascar now? hell no, F1 is much better.
| Achilles38WRX | 07-10-2006 11:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Opie]So for 2007 NASCAR gets the first "import" to the series in a long, long time...and they get a F1 series experienced driver running the Cup season.
It will be a great year for NASCAR....
It will be interesting to see how an F1 driver compares to a NASCAR driver since everyone here seems to think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I predict he will get owned all year long...[/QUOTE]
I don't think he'll get owned all year long, but it will probably be a steeper learning curve than a lot of people seem to think. A lot of armchair racers with an opinion and a keyboard also seem to think they know what's better for JPM than JPM does. Since he's driven a few different types of race cars and competed and won in a few different series, I trust his choice to move to nascar more than any random internet forum user.
it will be interesting to see how he does, and wether or not Darrel Waltrip can pronounce his name correctly at the Dayona 500 next year. :lol:
It will be a great year for NASCAR....
It will be interesting to see how an F1 driver compares to a NASCAR driver since everyone here seems to think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I predict he will get owned all year long...[/QUOTE]
I don't think he'll get owned all year long, but it will probably be a steeper learning curve than a lot of people seem to think. A lot of armchair racers with an opinion and a keyboard also seem to think they know what's better for JPM than JPM does. Since he's driven a few different types of race cars and competed and won in a few different series, I trust his choice to move to nascar more than any random internet forum user.
it will be interesting to see how he does, and wether or not Darrel Waltrip can pronounce his name correctly at the Dayona 500 next year. :lol:
| KAX | 07-10-2006 11:56 PM |
im sure hell get owned for awhile. He said it himself, they did a 5 year contract for a reason, its going to take awhile for him to get accustomed to the car and the style of driving. Hell do pretty poorly for awhile, and then get better. I think by 08, hell be winning races.
| greg donovan | 07-11-2006 12:39 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX]im sure hell get owned for awhile. He said it himself, they did a 5 year contract for a reason, its going to take awhile for him to get accustomed to the car and the style of driving. Hell do pretty poorly for awhile, and then get better. I think by 08, hell be winning races.[/QUOTE]
i whole heartedly believe he will win a race by the end of '07.
i whole heartedly believe he will win a race by the end of '07.
| KAX | 07-11-2006 12:50 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]i whole heartedly believe he will win a race by the end of '07.[/QUOTE]
idk, just thinking how long it took Kasey Kahne to win a NC race even though he was good. Im gunna stick to '08
idk, just thinking how long it took Kasey Kahne to win a NC race even though he was good. Im gunna stick to '08
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