| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 12-30-2004 03:11 PM |
[QUOTE=ITWRX4ME]Again, Joel, I think you're missing the point. [...] For example, let's say the only goal is to reach a dollar figure of $400,000. The agreement presented to the donor is that the organizer will not bill the donor's bank/credit account until $400,000 in pledges has been reached or exceeded.[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I agree, that would be a good thing to do. However, I think it would be a good thing to do once we know that there is at least a slim chance of success.
Also, we will, at that time, need to make provisions for our hardcore but unwealthy fans.
I dunno how it was for you as a college kid, but I know for certain that when I was in school, some weeks I had less than $10 in my combined savings and checkings accounts. If there was the "threat" of some day, someone taking out $10 without letting me make sure the funds were there, the day before, I would have been screwed (BofA has a way of compounding over-the-limit fees so that by the time you've done it a couple times, they charge you $96 each time you're too broke!!!). Meanwhile, 3 times a year, I had a fat bank account (student loans got distributed).
I think many people here, especially those offering to donate $10-20, are probably in a similar boat. Several people have mentioned they'll give $10 or $20, when they have the funds available.
These people are hardcore! They're broke and they want to help sponsor a Subaru in professional racing. They read the motorsports forum. I certainly think they should not be scared off... And I think among NASIOC's ranks, they're a large group.
Just some thoughts. Anyway, I think planning things out should be held off until Nick and Jeff talk together. Nick may have some awesome ideas or he may reject the idea all together. NASIOC is a business and Nick is the owner. That should be respected.
Joel
Hello,
I agree, that would be a good thing to do. However, I think it would be a good thing to do once we know that there is at least a slim chance of success.
Also, we will, at that time, need to make provisions for our hardcore but unwealthy fans.
I dunno how it was for you as a college kid, but I know for certain that when I was in school, some weeks I had less than $10 in my combined savings and checkings accounts. If there was the "threat" of some day, someone taking out $10 without letting me make sure the funds were there, the day before, I would have been screwed (BofA has a way of compounding over-the-limit fees so that by the time you've done it a couple times, they charge you $96 each time you're too broke!!!). Meanwhile, 3 times a year, I had a fat bank account (student loans got distributed).
I think many people here, especially those offering to donate $10-20, are probably in a similar boat. Several people have mentioned they'll give $10 or $20, when they have the funds available.
These people are hardcore! They're broke and they want to help sponsor a Subaru in professional racing. They read the motorsports forum. I certainly think they should not be scared off... And I think among NASIOC's ranks, they're a large group.
Just some thoughts. Anyway, I think planning things out should be held off until Nick and Jeff talk together. Nick may have some awesome ideas or he may reject the idea all together. NASIOC is a business and Nick is the owner. That should be respected.
Joel
| ITWRX4ME | 12-30-2004 03:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,
I agree, that would be a good thing to do. However, I think it would be a good thing to do once we know that there is at least a slim chance of success.
Also, we will, at that time, need to make provisions for our hardcore but unwealthy fans.
I dunno how it was for you as a college kid, but I know for certain that when I was in school, some weeks I had less than $10 in my combined savings and checkings accounts. If there was the "threat" of some day, someone taking out $10 without letting me make sure the funds were there, the day before, I would have been screwed (BofA has a way of compounding over-the-limit fees so that by the time you've done it a couple times, they charge you $96 each time you're too broke!!!). Meanwhile, 3 times a year, I had a fat bank account (student loans got distributed).
I think many people here, especially those offering to donate $10-20, are probably in a similar boat. Several people have mentioned they'll give $10 or $20, when they have the funds available.
These people are hardcore! They're broke and they want to help sponsor a Subaru in professional racing. They read the motorsports forum. I certainly think they should not be scared off... And I think among NASIOC's ranks, they're a large group.
Just some thoughts. Anyway, I think planning things out should be held off until Nick and Jeff talk together. Nick may have some awesome ideas or he may reject the idea all together. NASIOC is a business and Nick is the owner. That should be respected.
Joel[/QUOTE]
Those are all great points I hadn't considered.
Just for grins I sent this to PayPal:
"A group with whom I am affiliated is trying to organize a business. They would like to solicit dollar pledges from people interested in getting the business off the ground.
They would like to set up a system whereby people can pledge a dollar amount but would not be billed until the total dollar amount of all the pledges reaches some predetermined goal. If the goal is reached by a certain date, all the donors will be billed automatically for the amount pledged. If the date passes and the goal is NOT reached, the donors are NOT billed.
PayPal would receive a flat fee for hosting the service plus the usual percentage.
We would appreciate your thoughts.
"
To accomodate the shallow-pockets-crowd, maybe there could be some option that would require a final confirmation before actually billing the person.
I agree, that would be a good thing to do. However, I think it would be a good thing to do once we know that there is at least a slim chance of success.
Also, we will, at that time, need to make provisions for our hardcore but unwealthy fans.
I dunno how it was for you as a college kid, but I know for certain that when I was in school, some weeks I had less than $10 in my combined savings and checkings accounts. If there was the "threat" of some day, someone taking out $10 without letting me make sure the funds were there, the day before, I would have been screwed (BofA has a way of compounding over-the-limit fees so that by the time you've done it a couple times, they charge you $96 each time you're too broke!!!). Meanwhile, 3 times a year, I had a fat bank account (student loans got distributed).
I think many people here, especially those offering to donate $10-20, are probably in a similar boat. Several people have mentioned they'll give $10 or $20, when they have the funds available.
These people are hardcore! They're broke and they want to help sponsor a Subaru in professional racing. They read the motorsports forum. I certainly think they should not be scared off... And I think among NASIOC's ranks, they're a large group.
Just some thoughts. Anyway, I think planning things out should be held off until Nick and Jeff talk together. Nick may have some awesome ideas or he may reject the idea all together. NASIOC is a business and Nick is the owner. That should be respected.
Joel[/QUOTE]
Those are all great points I hadn't considered.
Just for grins I sent this to PayPal:
"A group with whom I am affiliated is trying to organize a business. They would like to solicit dollar pledges from people interested in getting the business off the ground.
They would like to set up a system whereby people can pledge a dollar amount but would not be billed until the total dollar amount of all the pledges reaches some predetermined goal. If the goal is reached by a certain date, all the donors will be billed automatically for the amount pledged. If the date passes and the goal is NOT reached, the donors are NOT billed.
PayPal would receive a flat fee for hosting the service plus the usual percentage.
We would appreciate your thoughts.
"
To accomodate the shallow-pockets-crowd, maybe there could be some option that would require a final confirmation before actually billing the person.
| jblaine | 12-30-2004 03:53 PM |
Nothing against GS, but I'd rather give $100 toward Pat Richard's issues and great talent than shoot for a whole new arena when one of "our own" is out on a limb already.
| M | 12-30-2004 04:14 PM |
[QUOTE=jslegacy]that will definately be a problem atleast in the Grand-Am series. I am working with a team this season doing PR stuff and photography and they have to pay 350 a year to get me into every race or individually it costs between 100-200 per race.
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.[/QUOTE]
you working with piper on their SGS effort? who is driving for them?
Also you have to look at whether the team needs you there.. . the pit area or even set-up area can be a very hectic place with more people who do not directing support the team will cause alot of confusion.[/QUOTE]
you working with piper on their SGS effort? who is driving for them?
| mysubie | 12-30-2004 05:25 PM |
Voted in poll.
I would commit a minimum of 10 and depending on how well the business plan is put together I am willing to upwords of 100.
pm for email
I would commit a minimum of 10 and depending on how well the business plan is put together I am willing to upwords of 100.
pm for email
| artkevin | 12-30-2004 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Kevin ... WOW !!! VERY Nice work ... and a very generous offer! Thanks ...
Everyone ... check out Kevin's page ... (not to hijack this thread ... but you've got to appreciate NASIOC talent :-) ... besides ... we need to turn Kevin's art into money!)[/QUOTE]
Thanks makofoto. Just trying to help. I always do a "charity" artwork and I at least care about this cause. If we can put one up for some type of auction and get cash for the team Im all for it. I'll even do a custom painting for promotions if need be.
Everyone ... check out Kevin's page ... (not to hijack this thread ... but you've got to appreciate NASIOC talent :-) ... besides ... we need to turn Kevin's art into money!)[/QUOTE]
Thanks makofoto. Just trying to help. I always do a "charity" artwork and I at least care about this cause. If we can put one up for some type of auction and get cash for the team Im all for it. I'll even do a custom painting for promotions if need be.
| jslegacy | 12-30-2004 07:59 PM |
[QUOTE=M]you working with piper on their SGS effort? who is driving for them?[/QUOTE]
i am working with a team out of purciville, Redline Motors, they will be racing two porsches.
i am working with a team out of purciville, Redline Motors, they will be racing two porsches.
| STiTuner | 12-30-2004 11:01 PM |
Wouldn't NASIOC sponsored, mean this would have to get Nick's approval? I haven't seen him post in this thread yet.
I'm just curious.
Brad
I'm just curious.
Brad
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 01:00 AM |
Hello all.. I just got back from a fabulous time Karting. All these ideas are great. But the very first step, is to finally get in contact with Nick. We cannot have a NASIOC Sponsored Subaru without his permision. I wouldn't mind collecting funds now, but we only have 98 ppl willing to donate as of now. To be somewhat realistic, I want to see atleast 500 ppl respond to this post and vote on the poll. That would give us roughly 25,000.00 dollars. ....(considering some ppl will donate more than 50.00 and less than 50.00) Not to mention we need more exposure, and Nick is the only one who could allow us to post in other forums, and put an anouncement on the home page.
I'm glad to see there is still a people interested.
Please keep this up.
Best thing all of you could do, right now, is to help spread the word.
Jeff B
I'm glad to see there is still a people interested.
Please keep this up.
Best thing all of you could do, right now, is to help spread the word.
Jeff B
| Oldalfaguy | 12-31-2004 05:32 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]
Right now I think we should be about gauging interest to see if NASIOC is a viable funding tool to get things started. I think it's premature to discuss series, team structure, team management, etc. This is about getting a Subaru in televised U.S. pro sedan road racing.
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
You should consider hitting up the other Subie forums as well. A focused effort could result in a good bit of consolidation btw all of the internet forums and you could really come out with a well funded drive. I think that everyone who drives a Subie wouldlike to see a professional, national level effort and would be willing to fork over a few dollars to support it.
One other suggestion, to further motivate, I'd suggest increasing dividends with the more money donated, i.e. pit passes for $100, a couple of hot laps (as pax) for $200, etc.
John
Right now I think we should be about gauging interest to see if NASIOC is a viable funding tool to get things started. I think it's premature to discuss series, team structure, team management, etc. This is about getting a Subaru in televised U.S. pro sedan road racing.
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
You should consider hitting up the other Subie forums as well. A focused effort could result in a good bit of consolidation btw all of the internet forums and you could really come out with a well funded drive. I think that everyone who drives a Subie wouldlike to see a professional, national level effort and would be willing to fork over a few dollars to support it.
One other suggestion, to further motivate, I'd suggest increasing dividends with the more money donated, i.e. pit passes for $100, a couple of hot laps (as pax) for $200, etc.
John
| makofoto | 12-31-2004 01:56 PM |
Since NASIOC is the largest Suby Forum (and one of the busiest "single interest" web sites in the world!) ... we were hoping it's leadership would join in the effort to officially make this a NASIOC sponsored effort. We believe NASIOC itself could gain tremendously from the resulting exposure. We are a bit mystified that NASIOC Godfather Nick is not responding to our efforts?
| phatbob | 12-31-2004 04:50 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]we were hoping it's leadership would join in the effort to officially make this a NASIOC sponsored effort.[/QUOTE]
NASIOC.com is already an official sponsor, and has an existing arrangement, with Pat Richard's rally efforts if I am not mistaken (albeit a small supporter, if I am not mistaken). The only difference is that Pat and his crew have not had the balls to ask NASIOC.com members for money (I see that he did post something on this thread).
If NASIOC.com were to urge its members to get behind a driver and team from a monetary perspective, and cross promote that effort, it would be unfair and unjust to limit it to this one narrow idea just because its the freshest idea at the moment. This exact same concept has been floated before. If your wish is that this is an official effort, it is only just and fair to explore what would be most popular with the majority of NASIOC.com members.
I've spoken to Pat before and I know he had a lot of ideas around this about a year ago but didn't want to 'upset' the community by seeking funding since he knew full well that there are many competitive nasioc members out there. This has been done by many auto clubs before.
NASIOC.com is already an official sponsor, and has an existing arrangement, with Pat Richard's rally efforts if I am not mistaken (albeit a small supporter, if I am not mistaken). The only difference is that Pat and his crew have not had the balls to ask NASIOC.com members for money (I see that he did post something on this thread).
If NASIOC.com were to urge its members to get behind a driver and team from a monetary perspective, and cross promote that effort, it would be unfair and unjust to limit it to this one narrow idea just because its the freshest idea at the moment. This exact same concept has been floated before. If your wish is that this is an official effort, it is only just and fair to explore what would be most popular with the majority of NASIOC.com members.
I've spoken to Pat before and I know he had a lot of ideas around this about a year ago but didn't want to 'upset' the community by seeking funding since he knew full well that there are many competitive nasioc members out there. This has been done by many auto clubs before.
| STiTuner | 12-31-2004 06:09 PM |
exactly,
Plus there are so many other teams that would love to be asking for money. Nasioc isn't in the business of sponsorship. I doubt they have enough funding to give the kind of money that teams would typically ask for.
also, when you give money like that for sponsorship, you don't typically ASK for something back from it. Its mutual marketing, not a way for a person to basically buy a $100 pit pass. I doubt a race team would want you hanging around that closely. Stuff like that is usualy saved for "good sponsors"
it should be mutual support on a team and Nasioc if anything. LIKE BANNER EXCHANGE.
I'm a strong supporter of motorsports and there are a lot of teams that I follow closely. Gary sheehan is a very capable driver, and I think he is worth sponsorship. But he should be getting money from manufacturers, not from a nonprofit organization and not from a fans donation.
IMO
Brad
Plus there are so many other teams that would love to be asking for money. Nasioc isn't in the business of sponsorship. I doubt they have enough funding to give the kind of money that teams would typically ask for.
also, when you give money like that for sponsorship, you don't typically ASK for something back from it. Its mutual marketing, not a way for a person to basically buy a $100 pit pass. I doubt a race team would want you hanging around that closely. Stuff like that is usualy saved for "good sponsors"
it should be mutual support on a team and Nasioc if anything. LIKE BANNER EXCHANGE.
I'm a strong supporter of motorsports and there are a lot of teams that I follow closely. Gary sheehan is a very capable driver, and I think he is worth sponsorship. But he should be getting money from manufacturers, not from a nonprofit organization and not from a fans donation.
IMO
Brad
| makofoto | 12-31-2004 06:12 PM |
It should certainly and obviously be up to individual members. I contributed $100 to Jamie/SubieGal's rallying efforts. Subaru already supports rallying and is making a huge effort to support the Easy Street drag racing team ... even though their new car isn't really a Subaru anymore. And their previous car used other major non-Subaru components.
A lot of NASIOC members are interested and/or participate in Track Days and Autocrossing ... yet there is little Subaru presents in road racing. I think we need to show Subaru how serious we are about wanting a presents in a high level road racing series. In order to jump start this ... we need a massive show of interest backed up my dollars.
If necessary ... NASIOC could start a fund where members dictate what form of Suby motorsports they want to support. The main thing is that we want to harness the enthusiasm and numbers that NASIOC represents. And we believe that NASIOC itself would benefit from national TV exposure that a top flight road racing Suby could generate.
We agree that it's outrageous that someone as excellent and successful as Pat is having trouble getting sponsorship! Again, what we need is our Godfather to step in and give us direction.
It's so cool to see the Suby presences at events like the recent JGTC races at CA Speedway. If EVERYONE just committed a relatively small amount, we could make a lot of dreams come true.
Check out this portion of the Suby presents at the JGTC races!
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v140/photos/4/43793/1630552/CarClub-vi.jpg[/IMG]
A lot of NASIOC members are interested and/or participate in Track Days and Autocrossing ... yet there is little Subaru presents in road racing. I think we need to show Subaru how serious we are about wanting a presents in a high level road racing series. In order to jump start this ... we need a massive show of interest backed up my dollars.
If necessary ... NASIOC could start a fund where members dictate what form of Suby motorsports they want to support. The main thing is that we want to harness the enthusiasm and numbers that NASIOC represents. And we believe that NASIOC itself would benefit from national TV exposure that a top flight road racing Suby could generate.
We agree that it's outrageous that someone as excellent and successful as Pat is having trouble getting sponsorship! Again, what we need is our Godfather to step in and give us direction.
It's so cool to see the Suby presences at events like the recent JGTC races at CA Speedway. If EVERYONE just committed a relatively small amount, we could make a lot of dreams come true.
Check out this portion of the Suby presents at the JGTC races!
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v140/photos/4/43793/1630552/CarClub-vi.jpg[/IMG]
| makofoto | 12-31-2004 06:17 PM |
Brad ... huh ? We are not asking NASIOC itself to sponsor Gary, we are asking the members to make a voluntary contribution if they feel strongly about this one particular form of racing. We are using the NASIOC entity that is a gathering point for Suby enthusiasts to share.
Of course we want manufacturers to do the lion share of the sponsorship ... but we are trying to kick start this by showing our interests and support.
Note that this Motorsport Forum is sponsored by SMR ... Gary's racing team!
Of course we want manufacturers to do the lion share of the sponsorship ... but we are trying to kick start this by showing our interests and support.
Note that this Motorsport Forum is sponsored by SMR ... Gary's racing team!
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 06:47 PM |
[QUOTE=phatbob]NASIOC.com is already an official sponsor, and has an existing arrangement, with Pat Richard's rally efforts if I am not mistaken (albeit a small supporter, if I am not mistaken). The only difference is that Pat and his crew have not had the balls to ask NASIOC.com members for money (I see that he did post something on this thread).[/QUOTE]
We are not asking Nasioc to put up there own money. We are using the Nasioc Forum to possibly drum up enough Fan Support to Help Fund SMR. Thats all..
Pat Richard has all the right in the world to post a thread simmilar to this one. Why has he not? I don't know.
[QUOTE=phatbob]If NASIOC.com were to urge its members to get behind a driver and team from a monetary perspective, and cross promote that effort, it would be unfair and unjust to limit it to this one narrow idea just because its the freshest idea at the moment. This exact same concept has been floated before. If your wish is that this is an official effort, it is only just and fair to explore what would be most popular with the majority of NASIOC.com members..[/QUOTE]
I am not asking Nasioc to "urge it's members" to get behind a teams effort. I am asking Nasioc to allow me to get more exposure to this idea.
If certain Nasioc members feel they would rather put their money somewhere else, than they may do as they see fit.
[QUOTE=phatbob]I've spoken to Pat before and I know he had a lot of ideas around this about a year ago but didn't want to 'upset' the community by seeking funding since he knew full well that there are many competitive nasioc members out there. This has been done by many auto clubs before.[/QUOTE]
Look. Understand this. I am not affiliated with SMR. I was not asked to do this by Gary Sheehan. I am just a motorsports fan that would like to see a Suby in a US Pro Racing Tour ...Thats all... I have not yet seen anyone on this forum do something like this. This effort was initiated by a member to try and generate support for a race team. This was not an effort started by a race team to generate funds for themselves. All I want outa this, is to see SMR in a Televised Race Series.
I think this is getting a little more complicated than it needs to be.
The bottom line here is this:
This thread is to represent anyone who is interested in helping to fund SMR. If we get enough interest (in this thread) then it gives us a better idea if something like this is possible. Which would lead to further steps to make this possible. I thought Nasioc was a good place to spread the word. But because of some members having conflict of interest (which is totally understandable) Nasioc may very well not be the best place to "spread the word". My original thought on this was. To have members donate on their own will, money to start a season. In return to Nasioc for allowing us to use the Forum as a communication device, we would then ask SMR to run a "Nasioc Sponsored Car".. It's that simple. I had no intentions to make ppl pay for something they were not interested in, take funds from anyone else, or make it any more complicated than it needs to be.
It would be very nice if Nick could get back to me in regards. All I am asking for, is his answer to whether or not he will allow for this thread to get more exposure throughout the Nasioc Forum. An answer of Yes or No is sufficient.
We are not asking Nasioc to put up there own money. We are using the Nasioc Forum to possibly drum up enough Fan Support to Help Fund SMR. Thats all..
Pat Richard has all the right in the world to post a thread simmilar to this one. Why has he not? I don't know.
[QUOTE=phatbob]If NASIOC.com were to urge its members to get behind a driver and team from a monetary perspective, and cross promote that effort, it would be unfair and unjust to limit it to this one narrow idea just because its the freshest idea at the moment. This exact same concept has been floated before. If your wish is that this is an official effort, it is only just and fair to explore what would be most popular with the majority of NASIOC.com members..[/QUOTE]
I am not asking Nasioc to "urge it's members" to get behind a teams effort. I am asking Nasioc to allow me to get more exposure to this idea.
If certain Nasioc members feel they would rather put their money somewhere else, than they may do as they see fit.
[QUOTE=phatbob]I've spoken to Pat before and I know he had a lot of ideas around this about a year ago but didn't want to 'upset' the community by seeking funding since he knew full well that there are many competitive nasioc members out there. This has been done by many auto clubs before.[/QUOTE]
Look. Understand this. I am not affiliated with SMR. I was not asked to do this by Gary Sheehan. I am just a motorsports fan that would like to see a Suby in a US Pro Racing Tour ...Thats all... I have not yet seen anyone on this forum do something like this. This effort was initiated by a member to try and generate support for a race team. This was not an effort started by a race team to generate funds for themselves. All I want outa this, is to see SMR in a Televised Race Series.
I think this is getting a little more complicated than it needs to be.
The bottom line here is this:
This thread is to represent anyone who is interested in helping to fund SMR. If we get enough interest (in this thread) then it gives us a better idea if something like this is possible. Which would lead to further steps to make this possible. I thought Nasioc was a good place to spread the word. But because of some members having conflict of interest (which is totally understandable) Nasioc may very well not be the best place to "spread the word". My original thought on this was. To have members donate on their own will, money to start a season. In return to Nasioc for allowing us to use the Forum as a communication device, we would then ask SMR to run a "Nasioc Sponsored Car".. It's that simple. I had no intentions to make ppl pay for something they were not interested in, take funds from anyone else, or make it any more complicated than it needs to be.
It would be very nice if Nick could get back to me in regards. All I am asking for, is his answer to whether or not he will allow for this thread to get more exposure throughout the Nasioc Forum. An answer of Yes or No is sufficient.
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 06:59 PM |
[QUOTE=STiTuner]exactly,
Plus there are so many other teams that would love to be asking for money. Nasioc isn't in the business of sponsorship. I doubt they have enough funding to give the kind of money that teams would typically ask for.
also, when you give money like that for sponsorship, you don't typically ASK for something back from it. Its mutual marketing, not a way for a person to basically buy a $100 pit pass. I doubt a race team would want you hanging around that closely. Stuff like that is usualy saved for "good sponsors"
it should be mutual support on a team and Nasioc if anything. LIKE BANNER EXCHANGE.
I'm a strong supporter of motorsports and there are a lot of teams that I follow closely. Gary sheehan is a very capable driver, and I think he is worth sponsorship. But he should be getting money from manufacturers, not from a nonprofit organization and not from a fans donation.
IMO
Brad[/QUOTE]
Man .... some of U guys really don't get it. This is not Gary asking for money. This is an effort from a Fan (Proud Subaru Owner) to help get a Suby on TV. Do you honestly think that if this was to work, Subaru wouldn't be the Major sponsor? Ofcourse they would. It might also be a Factory Team.
Some of u really need to look at this as, an incredible oportunity to get involved with pro road racing with very little money out of your pockets. It's just that simple. And if Nasioc doesn't want to endorse this effort, than so be it. It was fun and interesting either way.
Jeff B
Plus there are so many other teams that would love to be asking for money. Nasioc isn't in the business of sponsorship. I doubt they have enough funding to give the kind of money that teams would typically ask for.
also, when you give money like that for sponsorship, you don't typically ASK for something back from it. Its mutual marketing, not a way for a person to basically buy a $100 pit pass. I doubt a race team would want you hanging around that closely. Stuff like that is usualy saved for "good sponsors"
it should be mutual support on a team and Nasioc if anything. LIKE BANNER EXCHANGE.
I'm a strong supporter of motorsports and there are a lot of teams that I follow closely. Gary sheehan is a very capable driver, and I think he is worth sponsorship. But he should be getting money from manufacturers, not from a nonprofit organization and not from a fans donation.
IMO
Brad[/QUOTE]
Man .... some of U guys really don't get it. This is not Gary asking for money. This is an effort from a Fan (Proud Subaru Owner) to help get a Suby on TV. Do you honestly think that if this was to work, Subaru wouldn't be the Major sponsor? Ofcourse they would. It might also be a Factory Team.
Some of u really need to look at this as, an incredible oportunity to get involved with pro road racing with very little money out of your pockets. It's just that simple. And if Nasioc doesn't want to endorse this effort, than so be it. It was fun and interesting either way.
Jeff B
| STiTuner | 12-31-2004 07:24 PM |
the thread is titled " Nasioc Sponsored Grand Am WRX "
Why don't other teams do this? because in racing you just DON'T do this. its understood between many teams. You don't seem forum sponsored cars, if you see a sticker on a car its from banner exchange. In racing, all you really want is for your fans to spread the good word and show up on race day, maybe buy a t-shirt.
If SMR wants to take donations then he should be able to set up his own donation program, that is essentially what you're asking for. Sponsorship in racing is a mutual business practice. I think you are asking for donations, I think everyone should be clear that no matter how much they contribute they might not get anything in return. All of that money you would raise for him would be spent quick, 100 bucks is barely enough for fuel, or not even enough to buy a tire.
In racing you don't see teams asking for donations though? why? cause we just want our fans to enjoy the race, we don't want them to think about how much money they should give us. Racers appreciate the moral support we get from our fans, we let other business help with financials.
personally I just wouldn't ask my fans for support in the form of a donation.
Brad
Why don't other teams do this? because in racing you just DON'T do this. its understood between many teams. You don't seem forum sponsored cars, if you see a sticker on a car its from banner exchange. In racing, all you really want is for your fans to spread the good word and show up on race day, maybe buy a t-shirt.
If SMR wants to take donations then he should be able to set up his own donation program, that is essentially what you're asking for. Sponsorship in racing is a mutual business practice. I think you are asking for donations, I think everyone should be clear that no matter how much they contribute they might not get anything in return. All of that money you would raise for him would be spent quick, 100 bucks is barely enough for fuel, or not even enough to buy a tire.
In racing you don't see teams asking for donations though? why? cause we just want our fans to enjoy the race, we don't want them to think about how much money they should give us. Racers appreciate the moral support we get from our fans, we let other business help with financials.
personally I just wouldn't ask my fans for support in the form of a donation.
Brad
| STiTuner | 12-31-2004 07:32 PM |
The best thing for a Fan to do, is help market by word of mouth. if some of you guys are so passionate about this, why not buy a t-shirt from him, or show up to his races. A strong following at the track would do him much more justice than the amount of money you could raise for him.
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 07:56 PM |
[QUOTE=STiTuner]the thread is titled " Nasioc Sponsored Grand Am WRX "[/QUOTE]
Hence the idea..... Nasioc Sposored Grand Am WRX... Sponsored by Nasioc Members.....
[QUOTE=STiTuner]Why don't other teams do this?[/QUOTE]
Again..... This is not a team effort..... This is a Fan Based effort.
[QUOTE=STiTuner]because in racing you just DON'T do this. its understood between many teams. You don't seem forum sponsored cars, if you see a sticker on a car its from banner exchange. In racing, all you really want is for your fans to spread the good word and show up on race day, maybe buy a t-shirt.[/QUOTE]
Who says in racing, you can't have a Fan Based and funded Team.... atleast partially funded. No U don't see forum sponsored cars. Thats why this is a great idea, not only for the idea alone, but the marketing potentials are huge.
Some of the greatest ideas, are ideas that are taken from "outa the box" thinking. Why should we all do what everyone else is doing. Thats borring. T-shirts are borring (to me). I'm sure you can come up with a better idea than a T-Shirt.....
[QUOTE=STiTuner]If SMR wants to take donations then he should be able to set up his own donation program, that is essentially what you're asking for. Sponsorship in racing is a mutual business practice. I think you are asking for donations, I think everyone should be clear that no matter how much they contribute they might not get anything in return. All of that money you would raise for him would be spent quick, 100 bucks is barely enough for fuel, or not even enough to buy a tire..[/QUOTE]
When and where in this thread did it mention that SMR wants to take donations? Remember........!!!!!! THIS IS A FAN BASED EFFORT.....!!!!
No, that is not what I am asking for. Simply, I am asking people to express their interest in a Fan Based Sponsorship Program for a Pro Race Team. Thats all.... Basically, if you are interested, then put your name and email in a post on this thread to show your support. And if you have a descent idea of what you might contribute, if this goes to the fundraising process, then please vote on the poll above.
It has clearly been stated on this thread, that the one thing we will all get out of this effort (if it goes through) is..... We will see a Subaru in Pro US Roadracing.
There are no prommises in life. If you decide to contribute, then you may very well get nothing more than the opportunity to watch your efforts in a car that may very well win a championship. If thats not enough for you, then don't contribute. That simple. I try not to do things in life, that only benefit myself. But thats just me.
Yes it is very expensive to run a race team.... U are correct.
[QUOTE=STiTuner]In racing you don't see teams asking for donations though? why? cause we just want our fans to enjoy the race, we don't want them to think about how much money they should give us. Racers appreciate the moral support we get from our fans, we let other business help with financials.
personally I just wouldn't ask my fans for support in the form of a donation.
Brad[/QUOTE]
My personal opinion..... I think you need to go back and re-read the WHOLE thread. Your comments may be valid, but not in this case. This is a effort to drum up support for a Fan Based One Time Sponsorship Fundraiser. There are no hidden agendas, or alternate motives, just what is stated in the original post of this thread.
Thanks for your comments
Jeff B
Hence the idea..... Nasioc Sposored Grand Am WRX... Sponsored by Nasioc Members.....
[QUOTE=STiTuner]Why don't other teams do this?[/QUOTE]
Again..... This is not a team effort..... This is a Fan Based effort.
[QUOTE=STiTuner]because in racing you just DON'T do this. its understood between many teams. You don't seem forum sponsored cars, if you see a sticker on a car its from banner exchange. In racing, all you really want is for your fans to spread the good word and show up on race day, maybe buy a t-shirt.[/QUOTE]
Who says in racing, you can't have a Fan Based and funded Team.... atleast partially funded. No U don't see forum sponsored cars. Thats why this is a great idea, not only for the idea alone, but the marketing potentials are huge.
Some of the greatest ideas, are ideas that are taken from "outa the box" thinking. Why should we all do what everyone else is doing. Thats borring. T-shirts are borring (to me). I'm sure you can come up with a better idea than a T-Shirt.....
[QUOTE=STiTuner]If SMR wants to take donations then he should be able to set up his own donation program, that is essentially what you're asking for. Sponsorship in racing is a mutual business practice. I think you are asking for donations, I think everyone should be clear that no matter how much they contribute they might not get anything in return. All of that money you would raise for him would be spent quick, 100 bucks is barely enough for fuel, or not even enough to buy a tire..[/QUOTE]
When and where in this thread did it mention that SMR wants to take donations? Remember........!!!!!! THIS IS A FAN BASED EFFORT.....!!!!
No, that is not what I am asking for. Simply, I am asking people to express their interest in a Fan Based Sponsorship Program for a Pro Race Team. Thats all.... Basically, if you are interested, then put your name and email in a post on this thread to show your support. And if you have a descent idea of what you might contribute, if this goes to the fundraising process, then please vote on the poll above.
It has clearly been stated on this thread, that the one thing we will all get out of this effort (if it goes through) is..... We will see a Subaru in Pro US Roadracing.
There are no prommises in life. If you decide to contribute, then you may very well get nothing more than the opportunity to watch your efforts in a car that may very well win a championship. If thats not enough for you, then don't contribute. That simple. I try not to do things in life, that only benefit myself. But thats just me.
Yes it is very expensive to run a race team.... U are correct.
[QUOTE=STiTuner]In racing you don't see teams asking for donations though? why? cause we just want our fans to enjoy the race, we don't want them to think about how much money they should give us. Racers appreciate the moral support we get from our fans, we let other business help with financials.
personally I just wouldn't ask my fans for support in the form of a donation.
Brad[/QUOTE]
My personal opinion..... I think you need to go back and re-read the WHOLE thread. Your comments may be valid, but not in this case. This is a effort to drum up support for a Fan Based One Time Sponsorship Fundraiser. There are no hidden agendas, or alternate motives, just what is stated in the original post of this thread.
Thanks for your comments
Jeff B
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 08:12 PM |
STiTuner.....
I have just gone back and read all of your posts on this thread. Almost all of your posts are in disregard to this idea. Why? If I was in disagreement with something that in no way, shape or form could effect me, I sure as hell wouldn't waiste my time trying to convince others that it's a bad idea. For one reason or not you feel uncomfortable with this effort. For what reason? Please... explain it to us.
Sincerely
Jeff B
I have just gone back and read all of your posts on this thread. Almost all of your posts are in disregard to this idea. Why? If I was in disagreement with something that in no way, shape or form could effect me, I sure as hell wouldn't waiste my time trying to convince others that it's a bad idea. For one reason or not you feel uncomfortable with this effort. For what reason? Please... explain it to us.
Sincerely
Jeff B
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 08:14 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]It should certainly and obviously be up to individual members. I contributed $100 to Jamie/SubieGal's rallying efforts. Subaru already supports rallying and is making a huge effort to support the Easy Street drag racing team ... even though their new car isn't really a Subaru anymore. And their previous car used other major non-Subaru components.
A lot of NASIOC members are interested and/or participate in Track Days and Autocrossing ... yet there is little Subaru presents in road racing. I think we need to show Subaru how serious we are about wanting a presents in a high level road racing series. In order to jump start this ... we need a massive show of interest backed up my dollars.
If necessary ... NASIOC could start a fund where members dictate what form of Suby motorsports they want to support. The main thing is that we want to harness the enthusiasm and numbers that NASIOC represents. And we believe that NASIOC itself would benefit from national TV exposure that a top flight road racing Suby could generate.
We agree that it's outrageous that someone as excellent and successful as Pat is having trouble getting sponsorship! Again, what we need is our Godfather to step in and give us direction.
It's so cool to see the Suby presences at events like the recent JGTC races at CA Speedway. If EVERYONE just committed a relatively small amount, we could make a lot of dreams come true.
Check out this portion of the Suby presents at the JGTC races!
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v140/photos/4/43793/1630552/CarClub-vi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Hey isn't that the other Suby Forum club in that picture????
A lot of NASIOC members are interested and/or participate in Track Days and Autocrossing ... yet there is little Subaru presents in road racing. I think we need to show Subaru how serious we are about wanting a presents in a high level road racing series. In order to jump start this ... we need a massive show of interest backed up my dollars.
If necessary ... NASIOC could start a fund where members dictate what form of Suby motorsports they want to support. The main thing is that we want to harness the enthusiasm and numbers that NASIOC represents. And we believe that NASIOC itself would benefit from national TV exposure that a top flight road racing Suby could generate.
We agree that it's outrageous that someone as excellent and successful as Pat is having trouble getting sponsorship! Again, what we need is our Godfather to step in and give us direction.
It's so cool to see the Suby presences at events like the recent JGTC races at CA Speedway. If EVERYONE just committed a relatively small amount, we could make a lot of dreams come true.
Check out this portion of the Suby presents at the JGTC races!
[IMG]http://images8.fotki.com/v140/photos/4/43793/1630552/CarClub-vi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Hey isn't that the other Suby Forum club in that picture????
| TV3WRX | 12-31-2004 08:38 PM |
Brad, lighten up and get off the soap box. Nobody is twisting any arms here. It's an IDEA. And quite possible a good one and a fun one. And yes, it DOES happen in racing. One of the Dutch entries in Lemans 24 hrs was entirely funded by donations by Dutch fans. Regular blokes. Pretty cool. Grassroots to the Nth degree. For some of us, it's pretty fun to think of doing the stuff you "are just not supposed to do". I don't like being told that I "just can't". Thanks Mommy!
There are plenty of Subarus in rally. I want to see a few on the road course.
Hey, put me in for $100.
Having said that, Nick we need you to get involved here. If it is going to be official, there will be some organizing to do, to make it legit and accountable. Some great ideas have already been put forth, but we need to rope them into a plan and a goal.
If Nick does not get involved for whatever reason, maybe one of us can help with the organization of it. Someone qualified, that is. But.....Nick, where are you?
There are plenty of Subarus in rally. I want to see a few on the road course.
Hey, put me in for $100.
Having said that, Nick we need you to get involved here. If it is going to be official, there will be some organizing to do, to make it legit and accountable. Some great ideas have already been put forth, but we need to rope them into a plan and a goal.
If Nick does not get involved for whatever reason, maybe one of us can help with the organization of it. Someone qualified, that is. But.....Nick, where are you?
| zzyzx | 12-31-2004 09:53 PM |
[QUOTE=STiTuner]personally I just wouldn't ask my fans for support in the form of a donation.
Brad[/QUOTE]
Point taken and I, among others, hope you're done. If you don't understand this initiative, then stay quiet sit back and learn something new while we make it happen.
I think many are missing the original point of this: it's to fund a Subaru in a pro road racing series. Gary is obviously not only the most visible but certainly the most deserving recipient of this donation given both his background in the club and success in USTCC.
Whether some of you like it or not, we want to see a Subaru in a pro road racing series and are prepared (108 donations and counting...) to ante up. Please take your own initiatives to do the same if that's your gig, but don't try to shoot down something we've been wanting for for a long time. Why you would go out of your way to piss in somebody else's cheerios is a little beyond me...
I see this initiative very clearly. Rally has nothing to do with what these posters want. Nor does drag racing. If this thread with about either of these venues, I wouldn't be posting here nor would I be contributing > $100 that I'm prepared to.
If Nick doesn't what to touch the issue that's find, it doesn't have to bear the NASIOC badge. It can be named something else. This board is only a medium of communication, nothing more. I think it would be better not to brand it as NASIOC so we won't limit contributions from other boards like I-Club.
- Steve
Brad[/QUOTE]
Point taken and I, among others, hope you're done. If you don't understand this initiative, then stay quiet sit back and learn something new while we make it happen.
I think many are missing the original point of this: it's to fund a Subaru in a pro road racing series. Gary is obviously not only the most visible but certainly the most deserving recipient of this donation given both his background in the club and success in USTCC.
Whether some of you like it or not, we want to see a Subaru in a pro road racing series and are prepared (108 donations and counting...) to ante up. Please take your own initiatives to do the same if that's your gig, but don't try to shoot down something we've been wanting for for a long time. Why you would go out of your way to piss in somebody else's cheerios is a little beyond me...
I see this initiative very clearly. Rally has nothing to do with what these posters want. Nor does drag racing. If this thread with about either of these venues, I wouldn't be posting here nor would I be contributing > $100 that I'm prepared to.
If Nick doesn't what to touch the issue that's find, it doesn't have to bear the NASIOC badge. It can be named something else. This board is only a medium of communication, nothing more. I think it would be better not to brand it as NASIOC so we won't limit contributions from other boards like I-Club.
- Steve
| M | 12-31-2004 09:54 PM |
[QUOTE=jslegacy]i am working with a team out of purciville, Redline Motors, they will be racing two porsches.[/QUOTE]
yeah i know them. Who is driving for them? did he sell those m3 gtrs he had?
yeah i know them. Who is driving for them? did he sell those m3 gtrs he had?
| TV3WRX | 12-31-2004 11:01 PM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]Point taken and I, among others, hope you're done. If you don't understand this initiative, then stay quiet sit back and learn something new while we make it happen.
I think many are missing the original point of this: it's to fund a Subaru in a pro road racing series. Gary is obviously not only the most visible but certainly the most deserving recipient of this donation given both his background in the club and success in USTCC.
Whether some of you like it or not, we want to see a Subaru in a pro road racing series and are prepared (108 donations and counting...) to ante up. Please take your own initiatives to do the same if that's your gig, but don't try to shoot down something we've been wanting for for a long time. Why you would go out of your way to piss in somebody else's cheerios is a little beyond me...
I see this initiative very clearly. Rally has nothing to do with what these posters want. Nor does drag racing. If this thread with about either of these venues, I wouldn't be posting here nor would I be contributing > $100 that I'm prepared to.
If Nick doesn't what to touch the issue that's find, it doesn't have to bear the NASIOC badge. It can be named something else. This board is only a medium of communication, nothing more. I think it would be better not to brand it as NASIOC so we won't limit contributions from other boards like I-Club.
- Steve[/QUOTE]
Right on. Happy New Y3AR. Let's roll.
I think many are missing the original point of this: it's to fund a Subaru in a pro road racing series. Gary is obviously not only the most visible but certainly the most deserving recipient of this donation given both his background in the club and success in USTCC.
Whether some of you like it or not, we want to see a Subaru in a pro road racing series and are prepared (108 donations and counting...) to ante up. Please take your own initiatives to do the same if that's your gig, but don't try to shoot down something we've been wanting for for a long time. Why you would go out of your way to piss in somebody else's cheerios is a little beyond me...
I see this initiative very clearly. Rally has nothing to do with what these posters want. Nor does drag racing. If this thread with about either of these venues, I wouldn't be posting here nor would I be contributing > $100 that I'm prepared to.
If Nick doesn't what to touch the issue that's find, it doesn't have to bear the NASIOC badge. It can be named something else. This board is only a medium of communication, nothing more. I think it would be better not to brand it as NASIOC so we won't limit contributions from other boards like I-Club.
- Steve[/QUOTE]
Right on. Happy New Y3AR. Let's roll.
| buzz313th | 12-31-2004 11:05 PM |
[QUOTE=TV3WRX]Right on. Happy New Y3AR. Let's roll.[/QUOTE]
Excellent... I'm happy to see we still have the enthusiasm to make this work.
Lets see if we can get intouch with Nick and get him to respond to this thread. I know he is online, (I have seen his posts recently) maybe he just doesn't have the time. Maybe a couple emails from those members that are supporting this effort will help.
Keep spreading the word and tell as many subu enthusiasts as you can.
Thanks
Jeff B
Excellent... I'm happy to see we still have the enthusiasm to make this work.
Lets see if we can get intouch with Nick and get him to respond to this thread. I know he is online, (I have seen his posts recently) maybe he just doesn't have the time. Maybe a couple emails from those members that are supporting this effort will help.
Keep spreading the word and tell as many subu enthusiasts as you can.
Thanks
Jeff B
| STiTuner | 01-01-2005 03:15 AM |
[QUOTE=buzz313th]STiTuner.....
I have just gone back and read all of your posts on this thread. Almost all of your posts are in disregard to this idea. Why? If I was in disagreement with something that in no way, shape or form could effect me, I sure as hell wouldn't waiste my time trying to convince others that it's a bad idea. For one reason or not you feel uncomfortable with this effort. For what reason? Please... explain it to us.
Sincerely
Jeff B[/QUOTE]
I think I've made it clear that I'm NOT against support of motorsports ( SMR or any other team)
Personally I wouldn't have a team funded by fans, because in reality thats not what would make a difference in the long run.
SCCA or any other racing series doesn't care how much money you brought in for your personal project. It cares about the money that Scca gets most of that comes FROM ATTENDANCE.
I'm not trying to "piss in any ones cheerios" but;
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.
Ultimatly what will help teams get more money is by bringing in crowds to the races. Its all about how many views a team or class gets. One sponsor usualy doesn't care how much another sponsor gives unless they are fighting for banner placement. 100 people donating 10 bucks won't make as big of a difference as 100 more people showing up to a race. the REAL sponsors who fork out the real money care more about who they can see is watching.
if all of you donate to a team but no one shows up to a race, SCCA won't care as much.
I can gaurantee SCCA is looking at sparked interest this season of the class as a whole. Having one team come out of the pack with a load of donated money won't make as big of a difference to them as having a lot of people show up to spectate on race day.
Part of the reason why teams like ESX get so much money is because Ali is a damn good marketer AND, there is gorwing attendance in the class he races in, and sponsors look real heavily at that.
I'm really not trying to **** block you guys, I just think it would be better for a team to bring in overall interest into the sport and the new classes as a whole. You can spend all of this money one one team and it might not get them anywhere, but if you show SCCA dedicated interest over the period of time you will be more help in the long run. Once the sport ( and new classes) are more established and more publicized, then worry about "sponsorship".
I think a Fan and enthusiast's time and money could be put to better use than an annual donation. I think you guys would get more out of it as well. I want you guys to contribute, I want you guys to go out and watch the races. I'm very glad that you guys have the enthusiasm to do this. However, the sport is at a very crucial point where a crowd speaks more than a sticker.
Brad
I have just gone back and read all of your posts on this thread. Almost all of your posts are in disregard to this idea. Why? If I was in disagreement with something that in no way, shape or form could effect me, I sure as hell wouldn't waiste my time trying to convince others that it's a bad idea. For one reason or not you feel uncomfortable with this effort. For what reason? Please... explain it to us.
Sincerely
Jeff B[/QUOTE]
I think I've made it clear that I'm NOT against support of motorsports ( SMR or any other team)
Personally I wouldn't have a team funded by fans, because in reality thats not what would make a difference in the long run.
SCCA or any other racing series doesn't care how much money you brought in for your personal project. It cares about the money that Scca gets most of that comes FROM ATTENDANCE.
I'm not trying to "piss in any ones cheerios" but;
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.
Ultimatly what will help teams get more money is by bringing in crowds to the races. Its all about how many views a team or class gets. One sponsor usualy doesn't care how much another sponsor gives unless they are fighting for banner placement. 100 people donating 10 bucks won't make as big of a difference as 100 more people showing up to a race. the REAL sponsors who fork out the real money care more about who they can see is watching.
if all of you donate to a team but no one shows up to a race, SCCA won't care as much.
I can gaurantee SCCA is looking at sparked interest this season of the class as a whole. Having one team come out of the pack with a load of donated money won't make as big of a difference to them as having a lot of people show up to spectate on race day.
Part of the reason why teams like ESX get so much money is because Ali is a damn good marketer AND, there is gorwing attendance in the class he races in, and sponsors look real heavily at that.
I'm really not trying to **** block you guys, I just think it would be better for a team to bring in overall interest into the sport and the new classes as a whole. You can spend all of this money one one team and it might not get them anywhere, but if you show SCCA dedicated interest over the period of time you will be more help in the long run. Once the sport ( and new classes) are more established and more publicized, then worry about "sponsorship".
I think a Fan and enthusiast's time and money could be put to better use than an annual donation. I think you guys would get more out of it as well. I want you guys to contribute, I want you guys to go out and watch the races. I'm very glad that you guys have the enthusiasm to do this. However, the sport is at a very crucial point where a crowd speaks more than a sticker.
Brad
| TV3WRX | 01-01-2005 03:21 AM |
K.
Thanks for that. :)
Thanks for that. :)
| buzz313th | 01-01-2005 03:46 AM |
So Brad.... Does that mean your gonna donate 100.00
| Barry | 01-01-2005 04:13 AM |
Count me in...............
[email][email�protected][/email]
[email][email�protected][/email]
| scobaru | 01-01-2005 05:37 AM |
how much would be needed?
| buzz313th | 01-01-2005 12:35 PM |
[QUOTE=scobaru]how much would be needed?[/QUOTE]
It all depends... But at this point I would really like to see 500 votes.
It all depends... But at this point I would really like to see 500 votes.
| makofoto | 01-01-2005 05:06 PM |
>>>I'm not trying to "piss in any ones cheerios" but;
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.<<<<
Brad ...
A.) We've been trying to get in touch with Nick.
B.) We have enough F1 ... we want more Subies in Road Racing. Give us a Road Racing Suby ... and I have a reason to show up at the races. Don't you think NASCAR would lose some of it's spectators if one of their marquees dropped out?
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.<<<<
Brad ...
A.) We've been trying to get in touch with Nick.
B.) We have enough F1 ... we want more Subies in Road Racing. Give us a Road Racing Suby ... and I have a reason to show up at the races. Don't you think NASCAR would lose some of it's spectators if one of their marquees dropped out?
| STiTuner | 01-01-2005 07:50 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]>>>I'm not trying to "piss in any ones cheerios" but;
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.<<<<
Brad ...
A.) We've been trying to get in touch with Nick.
B.) We have enough F1 ... we want more Subies in Road Racing. Give us a Road Racing Suby ... and I have a reason to show up at the races. Don't you think NASCAR would lose some of it's spectators if one of their marquees dropped out?[/QUOTE]
FI = forced induction, not F1
A) this thread shouldn't have been brought up as nasioc sponsored with out Nicks prior approval
B) if you guys want to make an impact for racing, show up to the races or write into SCCA and speed chanel saying you want to see more FI cars.<<<<
Brad ...
A.) We've been trying to get in touch with Nick.
B.) We have enough F1 ... we want more Subies in Road Racing. Give us a Road Racing Suby ... and I have a reason to show up at the races. Don't you think NASCAR would lose some of it's spectators if one of their marquees dropped out?[/QUOTE]
FI = forced induction, not F1
| makofoto | 01-02-2005 05:51 AM |
:rolleyes:
| Slack | 01-02-2005 10:28 AM |
| MisterX | 01-02-2005 10:58 AM |
Crucial Racing could do a bit in the way of sponsorship. :)
| TV3WRX | 01-02-2005 11:40 AM |
That's great. After we can get this thing organized, finding NASIOC-related vendors to chip in and help would likely make the difference.
| makofoto | 01-03-2005 03:29 AM |
bump
| patr | 01-03-2005 01:23 PM |
[EDITED]Gee what a difference a few days makes. Anyhow, since my name came up again, lets get my position straight.
I think what you guys are proposing is great. It happens all the time, in many facets of the sport. There are many fan-funds out there.
The extent of our NASIOC relationship is banner exchange, in return we provide thrill rides for NASIOC member at SCCA Pro rallies, and promote the club through our sponsors and other activities.
Here is a link to the original announcement:
[url="http://www.nasioc.com/Default.cfm?Action=Comments&NewsID=104"]http://www.nasioc.com/Default.cfm?Action=Comments&NewsID=104[/url]
(for some reason Nick used an old pic there but you get the point)
My point was about making your fund-raising effort "NASIOC Official". I think that the same thing has been proposed in the past for other efforts (not mine specifically, it was actually for another Subaru team very active on the forum), and my understanding was it was denied in the interests of the numerous competitors/teams active on the board.
But I think that it would be great to see more NASIOC participation in this sort of thing.
I think what you guys are proposing is great. It happens all the time, in many facets of the sport. There are many fan-funds out there.
The extent of our NASIOC relationship is banner exchange, in return we provide thrill rides for NASIOC member at SCCA Pro rallies, and promote the club through our sponsors and other activities.
Here is a link to the original announcement:
[url="http://www.nasioc.com/Default.cfm?Action=Comments&NewsID=104"]http://www.nasioc.com/Default.cfm?Action=Comments&NewsID=104[/url]
(for some reason Nick used an old pic there but you get the point)
My point was about making your fund-raising effort "NASIOC Official". I think that the same thing has been proposed in the past for other efforts (not mine specifically, it was actually for another Subaru team very active on the forum), and my understanding was it was denied in the interests of the numerous competitors/teams active on the board.
But I think that it would be great to see more NASIOC participation in this sort of thing.
| makofoto | 01-03-2005 01:57 PM |
We just don't think we are maximizing the full potential of the relatively vast NASIOC membership ... and we won't be able to without Nick's approval. We need to be able to go beyond the Motorsports Forum. We don't understand why expanding Subaru's and Nasioc's name in Motorsports is not desirable ... and Nick seems to be what is holding this back. It could be set up to help others. But our point remains that Subies presence in road racing is particularly under developed and needs a shot in the arm!
| AndyRoo | 01-03-2005 07:28 PM |
Well i've been reading this thread and it really is an interesting idea.
If I am a Nasioc vendor, I would be watching this very carefully. Having one of their parts or stickers on this car would be a huge marketing opportunity, as I'm sure a lot of people would be following this car very closely.
BUT...if I'm a Nasioc vendor who is interested in starting my own race team OR continuing their current one (whether it be Grand Am, Speed World Challenge, something for Rally America, or whatever) I would be hyper-jealous. AND, if I had to compete against a car sponsored by many of my own customers, thats just not cool. I really wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the only WRX in Grand Am in 2006 (or whenever it comes to). I would feel like I was missing out on some of this money, and would have less of a chance for some Subaru backing.
Even if you don't end up raising more then a couple thousand bucks...the fact that so many people on this board would have a vested interest in a Nasioc sponsored car that is competing against YOUR car that you've thrown a lot of YOUR own personal money into would not make you feel like you are being supported. Having a race team is great marketing tool, but when a lot of your customers are "part" of a team that you are competing against, it doesn't really help. It's also a matter of principle i guess.
That being said...it would be pretty cool if it works and I would love a job on the team ;) . I'm just pointing out this other aspect of it. I really don't think this would keep someone else from starting their own team, and if it did, that's honestly pretty weak of them. Racing is racing...and beating the Nasioc sponsered car would feel pretty good too :D.
P.S. - Give Nick a break. Some people are busy around the holidays. I'm sure he'll think about it nice and hard before he throws his support behind it. It's not as simple as it seems.
If I am a Nasioc vendor, I would be watching this very carefully. Having one of their parts or stickers on this car would be a huge marketing opportunity, as I'm sure a lot of people would be following this car very closely.
BUT...if I'm a Nasioc vendor who is interested in starting my own race team OR continuing their current one (whether it be Grand Am, Speed World Challenge, something for Rally America, or whatever) I would be hyper-jealous. AND, if I had to compete against a car sponsored by many of my own customers, thats just not cool. I really wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the only WRX in Grand Am in 2006 (or whenever it comes to). I would feel like I was missing out on some of this money, and would have less of a chance for some Subaru backing.
Even if you don't end up raising more then a couple thousand bucks...the fact that so many people on this board would have a vested interest in a Nasioc sponsored car that is competing against YOUR car that you've thrown a lot of YOUR own personal money into would not make you feel like you are being supported. Having a race team is great marketing tool, but when a lot of your customers are "part" of a team that you are competing against, it doesn't really help. It's also a matter of principle i guess.
That being said...it would be pretty cool if it works and I would love a job on the team ;) . I'm just pointing out this other aspect of it. I really don't think this would keep someone else from starting their own team, and if it did, that's honestly pretty weak of them. Racing is racing...and beating the Nasioc sponsered car would feel pretty good too :D.
P.S. - Give Nick a break. Some people are busy around the holidays. I'm sure he'll think about it nice and hard before he throws his support behind it. It's not as simple as it seems.
| buzz313th | 01-03-2005 07:51 PM |
AndyRoo,
Very well put. I would like to thank you for your post.
Even though we only have roughly 110 votes, I am still pretty optomistic about this. I hope more people get a chance to look at this idea.
Jeff B
Very well put. I would like to thank you for your post.
Even though we only have roughly 110 votes, I am still pretty optomistic about this. I hope more people get a chance to look at this idea.
Jeff B
| mnavarro | 01-03-2005 09:04 PM |
I would put in 20-50 bucks. I think it would be cool to get at least a sticker that says Nasioc Road Racing or something like that.
While many may not want competition from a Nasioc car any publicity for suby road racing would be good. Besides it's in the spirit of having a team supported by the people. Maybe this will even lead to better road going subys. Subaru America should obviously kick down some money for this. I think this is a good way to achieve what many have asked for.
Ultimately the community supports the vendors so I think if the Nasioc vendors helped out too that would be awesome, by donating parts, etc.
If you want my contact information PM me.
I'm a web developer and have some room on my server if you want to start web site.
While many may not want competition from a Nasioc car any publicity for suby road racing would be good. Besides it's in the spirit of having a team supported by the people. Maybe this will even lead to better road going subys. Subaru America should obviously kick down some money for this. I think this is a good way to achieve what many have asked for.
Ultimately the community supports the vendors so I think if the Nasioc vendors helped out too that would be awesome, by donating parts, etc.
If you want my contact information PM me.
I'm a web developer and have some room on my server if you want to start web site.
| Fusionpnoy | 01-03-2005 10:21 PM |
| Diabolical1 CC | 01-04-2005 03:39 AM |
Some unknown race car driver hmm?
Is this something different than what Subiegal does?
Why would you sponsor him to drive a WRX if he already drives a WRX?
Does he race against Alan McNish?
Is this something different than what Subiegal does?
Why would you sponsor him to drive a WRX if he already drives a WRX?
Does he race against Alan McNish?
| buzz313th | 01-04-2005 12:58 PM |
Yes it is different. Subiegal is running Rally. And we want a Televised Suby in Roadracing.
He is not currently driving a subaru now.
I don't know Alan.
Good day
Jeff B
He is not currently driving a subaru now.
I don't know Alan.
Good day
Jeff B
| WRXPRESS | 01-04-2005 01:03 PM |
so is this dead? Is Nick away or trying to figure this out?
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 01-04-2005 01:06 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=Diabolical1 CC]Some unknown race car driver hmm?[/quote]
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url] or search this forum. Not unknown, just not world famous, yet.
[quote]Why would you sponsor him to drive a WRX if he already drives a WRX?[/quote]
What you drive as a daily driver really has nothing to do with what you race professionally, does it? Gary drove the USTCC factory sponsored WRX for 2001-2003.
[quote]Does he race against Alan McNish?[/QUOTE]
This is in regards to United States racing series (both Grand Am and World Challenge). McNish raced Formula 1 and now races German Touring Car. Slightly different part of the world, same idea, though.
Joel
[QUOTE=Diabolical1 CC]Some unknown race car driver hmm?[/quote]
[url]http://www.teamsmr.com[/url] or search this forum. Not unknown, just not world famous, yet.
[quote]Why would you sponsor him to drive a WRX if he already drives a WRX?[/quote]
What you drive as a daily driver really has nothing to do with what you race professionally, does it? Gary drove the USTCC factory sponsored WRX for 2001-2003.
[quote]Does he race against Alan McNish?[/QUOTE]
This is in regards to United States racing series (both Grand Am and World Challenge). McNish raced Formula 1 and now races German Touring Car. Slightly different part of the world, same idea, though.
Joel
| buzz313th | 01-04-2005 05:33 PM |
No this is not Dead by far. We just seem to be running into some difficulties trying to get more exposure to this thread. Still working on it and fired up.... ;)
| buzz313th | 01-04-2005 05:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Diabolical1 CC]Is this something different than what Subiegal does?[/QUOTE]
Yes very different.
Other Pro driver on this site have initiated fundraisers for their own Team/Car. This is A group of fans trying to get other fans to support a common goal. The difference is obvious.
Jeff B
Yes very different.
Other Pro driver on this site have initiated fundraisers for their own Team/Car. This is A group of fans trying to get other fans to support a common goal. The difference is obvious.
Jeff B
| Diabolical1 CC | 01-05-2005 02:00 AM |
Last I heard from Alan's Cousin, who I talked to on Boxing day, was that he is now racing in the States. Although I might be mistaken.
Not very many race car drivers are well known.
Is any of this on TV?
Not very many race car drivers are well known.
Is any of this on TV?
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 01-05-2005 02:09 AM |
[QUOTE=Diabolical1 CC]Is any of this on TV?[/QUOTE]
:huh: :eek: :huh:
Hello,
Grand Am and World Challenge are both shown on SpeedTV.
As for McNish, his website only mentions DTM, but I'm sure it's quite possible that he does more than just the 24 hours here in the US.
Nonetheless, that's a little of a sidetrack from the main point of this discussion, which was to determine if there was anything more than fringe interest in an organized fan-based sponsorship via NASIOC for a televised, pro-racing Subaru. So far, 141 people are interested. While it's unfortunate that very few people read the motorsports forum, more people are going to need to be dragged in here if Jeff Barco is going to demonstrate that there is significant interest in such an effort. If there isn't any interest, then this idea will simply fade away. If several hundred are at least interested in the idea, then perhaps it can grow and attract further attention and eventually lead to a few thousand or even tens of thousands of interested fans.
Joel
:huh: :eek: :huh:
Hello,
Grand Am and World Challenge are both shown on SpeedTV.
As for McNish, his website only mentions DTM, but I'm sure it's quite possible that he does more than just the 24 hours here in the US.
Nonetheless, that's a little of a sidetrack from the main point of this discussion, which was to determine if there was anything more than fringe interest in an organized fan-based sponsorship via NASIOC for a televised, pro-racing Subaru. So far, 141 people are interested. While it's unfortunate that very few people read the motorsports forum, more people are going to need to be dragged in here if Jeff Barco is going to demonstrate that there is significant interest in such an effort. If there isn't any interest, then this idea will simply fade away. If several hundred are at least interested in the idea, then perhaps it can grow and attract further attention and eventually lead to a few thousand or even tens of thousands of interested fans.
Joel
| AndyRoo | 01-05-2005 06:42 PM |
i dont understand how Alan McNish was brought into this...
Has this been posted in OT? or would it just get blasted?
Has this been posted in OT? or would it just get blasted?
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 01-05-2005 06:46 PM |
[QUOTE=AndyRoo]i dont understand how Alan McNish was brought into this...[/quote]
Hello,
Andy, aparantly whether Gary has raced against McNish has something to do with whether Diabolical1CC is interested in supporting the cause :)
[quote]Has this been posted in OT? or would it just get blasted?[/QUOTE]
I believe Jeff is waiting for Nick to approve cross posting or the idea itself, even.
Joel
Hello,
Andy, aparantly whether Gary has raced against McNish has something to do with whether Diabolical1CC is interested in supporting the cause :)
[quote]Has this been posted in OT? or would it just get blasted?[/QUOTE]
I believe Jeff is waiting for Nick to approve cross posting or the idea itself, even.
Joel
| Diabolical1 CC | 01-05-2005 11:52 PM |
Sorry I just don't know to much about racing outside of F1 or things Alan does, and maybe some motorcycle racing and Toruing cars in Europe. I also follow a little Rally stuff but not much. Now I know this had nothing to do with F1 and just wondered if this was in one of these other things that I know a little about.
Which appearently it isn't.
However I will check it out on Speed now so who knows maybe!
Which appearently it isn't.
However I will check it out on Speed now so who knows maybe!
| BriDrive | 01-06-2005 03:16 PM |
I like the idea. I voted. I have read the whole thread. I GO to races and support them all the time. I waste more than $10 or $20 in most weeks. The money isn't an issue.
Ultimately, the quagmire that will be inherited will be one of management. Or lack thereof. Under this guise, you'll basically have, say 20,000 dreamers (myself included)(optimistic guess) throw in $10 or $20. ($300,000).
But what happens after it HAPPENS? Let's say it all works, the team gets off the ground, they raise from members and other various sponsors, say $750,000. They race 3 times, all is going well, you have the various hurdles to overcome (..."yeah its a development year..."...,"...uh, we didn't qualify here...","...well the rules have us handcuffed this year..." etc, etc) and then whammo!...Internal strife erupts within the team, the driver walks away, the engineer is hired by another team, the season's effort is prematurely ended and, doh, wait...there's still $300,000 in the bank.
With all the misunderstanding, unspecified structure,etc,etc...you all of a sudden have 20,000 shareholders standing around scratching their heads.....
I think its unrealistic to get a team off the ground in this manner. Even if you specified in advance to the prospective "donator" that once your $10 is sent, its sent....no goods,services etc are promised or received.
My point is this: 20,000 people are not going to throw 10 or 20 bucks into the air with absolutely no, not even instinctive, guarantee that this money may or may not result in achieving a race team.
In order to even capture 20,000 folks, a business plan must be drawn, a team need be already established, experienced race folks in place...the list goes on and on.
To make my point a little more salient: Lets just say I will start a WRX race team and campaign in Speed World Challenge Touring Car for 2005. Please send contributions to, as yet unspecified address. Oh, and I may actually tour Europe instead...Best regards, Bridrive.
Ultimately, the quagmire that will be inherited will be one of management. Or lack thereof. Under this guise, you'll basically have, say 20,000 dreamers (myself included)(optimistic guess) throw in $10 or $20. ($300,000).
But what happens after it HAPPENS? Let's say it all works, the team gets off the ground, they raise from members and other various sponsors, say $750,000. They race 3 times, all is going well, you have the various hurdles to overcome (..."yeah its a development year..."...,"...uh, we didn't qualify here...","...well the rules have us handcuffed this year..." etc, etc) and then whammo!...Internal strife erupts within the team, the driver walks away, the engineer is hired by another team, the season's effort is prematurely ended and, doh, wait...there's still $300,000 in the bank.
With all the misunderstanding, unspecified structure,etc,etc...you all of a sudden have 20,000 shareholders standing around scratching their heads.....
I think its unrealistic to get a team off the ground in this manner. Even if you specified in advance to the prospective "donator" that once your $10 is sent, its sent....no goods,services etc are promised or received.
My point is this: 20,000 people are not going to throw 10 or 20 bucks into the air with absolutely no, not even instinctive, guarantee that this money may or may not result in achieving a race team.
In order to even capture 20,000 folks, a business plan must be drawn, a team need be already established, experienced race folks in place...the list goes on and on.
To make my point a little more salient: Lets just say I will start a WRX race team and campaign in Speed World Challenge Touring Car for 2005. Please send contributions to, as yet unspecified address. Oh, and I may actually tour Europe instead...Best regards, Bridrive.
| buzz313th | 01-06-2005 03:44 PM |
Very Valid points. I agree on all of them.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee. It's that simple. I'm not asking for a guarantee and to each is there own.
Unfortunately there will not be a formal game plan until we show enough support for this. Once there is enough interest then SMR may very well draw out an outline on how this will work. Then it will become official.
To be quite honest, with all the political hurdles here with Nasioc and the fact that we will probably not hear anything from Nick. (Since he has not replied so far) it doesn't look good. I have approached webmaster of other large Subaru Boards and have gotten responses that are less than vavorable...(for one reason or another). So unless something changes for the better, I think we will still get support but at the current rate we have now. To make it feasable we would have to get atleast 25 new votes per day till we got to 500 - 1000. So I will keep trying, but interms of this being a Nasioc deal, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Some personal oppinions of my own:
I personally think that what we are seeing here up to this point is alot of support for a good, exciting and fun idea. But we are also seeing alot of non supporters that, in my oppinion are selfish, resentful, jealous and less than optamistic.
Unfortunately there is no guarantee. It's that simple. I'm not asking for a guarantee and to each is there own.
Unfortunately there will not be a formal game plan until we show enough support for this. Once there is enough interest then SMR may very well draw out an outline on how this will work. Then it will become official.
To be quite honest, with all the political hurdles here with Nasioc and the fact that we will probably not hear anything from Nick. (Since he has not replied so far) it doesn't look good. I have approached webmaster of other large Subaru Boards and have gotten responses that are less than vavorable...(for one reason or another). So unless something changes for the better, I think we will still get support but at the current rate we have now. To make it feasable we would have to get atleast 25 new votes per day till we got to 500 - 1000. So I will keep trying, but interms of this being a Nasioc deal, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Some personal oppinions of my own:
I personally think that what we are seeing here up to this point is alot of support for a good, exciting and fun idea. But we are also seeing alot of non supporters that, in my oppinion are selfish, resentful, jealous and less than optamistic.
| BriDrive | 01-06-2005 03:55 PM |
I'm not trying to be funny here...a possible alternative:
#1.Become a NASIOC vendor. That get's access to membership.
#2. Develop an inexpensive product. Example: window sticker, T-shirt, etc with a logo, like...."Anonymous Subaru Racing, Driven by the Masses" or something to that effect. Include a sub-line such as: "Team Principle" or "Co-Owner" etc...
#3. Advertise and sell such product at profit with express intent on leveraging funding for race team effort.
#4. People buy product, because its just cool and know IF it actually occurs, that's just an added bonus. If it fails, you still may be able to quit your job.
Good Luck at any rate....I am certainly not pessimistic...just realistic....and I will still chip in...or buy a shirt....or heck....maybe I'll launch the program! :D
BriDrive
#1.Become a NASIOC vendor. That get's access to membership.
#2. Develop an inexpensive product. Example: window sticker, T-shirt, etc with a logo, like...."Anonymous Subaru Racing, Driven by the Masses" or something to that effect. Include a sub-line such as: "Team Principle" or "Co-Owner" etc...
#3. Advertise and sell such product at profit with express intent on leveraging funding for race team effort.
#4. People buy product, because its just cool and know IF it actually occurs, that's just an added bonus. If it fails, you still may be able to quit your job.
Good Luck at any rate....I am certainly not pessimistic...just realistic....and I will still chip in...or buy a shirt....or heck....maybe I'll launch the program! :D
BriDrive
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