| mav1c | 11-16-2004 03:05 PM |
[QUOTE]Who really enjoys a reality show where they follow Billy Joe Bob around bumfock North Carolina? Or who enjoys watching Cletus and Bubba argue on some talk show about who has the quickest car?[/QUOTE]
Way to show your ignorant prejudice! :rolleyes:
Way to show your ignorant prejudice! :rolleyes:
| GarySheehan | 11-16-2004 03:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo][rant] all you clueless little pukes don't have a clue. I remember when their was no Speedtv. Thanks to Speed, we get regualr and repeat programming of F1, WRC, SccaPR, AMA, WSBK, MotoGP and much more. Thanks to Nascar for paying the bills and keeping speedtv in business., W/o it, you al would be just reading about it[/rant]
:furious:[/QUOTE]
Uyuh.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
:furious:[/QUOTE]
Uyuh.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Snowphun | 11-16-2004 03:17 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]No but really 23/24 hours a day of Speed Channel is now NASCAR, I'd call that domination.
[/QUOTE]
Now you just sound ignorant, as this is simply wrong. Again, look at the programming schedule on their site. Here, let me help you:
Program Search Results 33 Programs Found
Schedule Subject To Change
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Time Program Description Rating
6:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
6:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
7:00 am NBS 24/7 Busy Day TV-PG
7:30 am AutoWeek TV-G
8:00 am MotorWeek Porsche 911 Carrera S TV-G
8:30 am Autoline Detroit John McElroy, host TV-G
9:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Ryan Arciero and David Reutimann NR
10:00 am Legends Of Motorsport BMC - The British Motor Car TV-G
10:30 am NBS 24/7 TV-PG
11:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
11:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
12:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma - Race 1 NR
1:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma- Race 2 NR
2:00 pm MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
3:00 pm Inside Nextel Cup NR
4:00 pm NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Darlington NR
6:30 pm NBS 24/7 TV-PG
7:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
7:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
8:00 pm 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
9:00 pm American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
9:30 pm Corbin's Ride On TV-G
10:00 pm Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch (LIVE) NR
11:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
11:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
12:00 am 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
1:00 am American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
1:30 am Corbin's Ride On TV-G
2:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch NR
3:00 am MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
4:00 am Canadian Motocross Nanaimo NR
5:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
5:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
23/24 hours of NASCAR in there? :rolleyes: Stop your bitching which is fixing nothing. NASCAR is very popular in the US (I can't figure it out why). It makes sense that Speed gives them more airtime.
[/QUOTE]
Now you just sound ignorant, as this is simply wrong. Again, look at the programming schedule on their site. Here, let me help you:
Program Search Results 33 Programs Found
Schedule Subject To Change
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Time Program Description Rating
6:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
6:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
7:00 am NBS 24/7 Busy Day TV-PG
7:30 am AutoWeek TV-G
8:00 am MotorWeek Porsche 911 Carrera S TV-G
8:30 am Autoline Detroit John McElroy, host TV-G
9:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Ryan Arciero and David Reutimann NR
10:00 am Legends Of Motorsport BMC - The British Motor Car TV-G
10:30 am NBS 24/7 TV-PG
11:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
11:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
12:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma - Race 1 NR
1:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma- Race 2 NR
2:00 pm MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
3:00 pm Inside Nextel Cup NR
4:00 pm NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Darlington NR
6:30 pm NBS 24/7 TV-PG
7:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
7:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
8:00 pm 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
9:00 pm American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
9:30 pm Corbin's Ride On TV-G
10:00 pm Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch (LIVE) NR
11:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
11:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
12:00 am 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
1:00 am American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
1:30 am Corbin's Ride On TV-G
2:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch NR
3:00 am MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
4:00 am Canadian Motocross Nanaimo NR
5:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
5:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
23/24 hours of NASCAR in there? :rolleyes: Stop your bitching which is fixing nothing. NASCAR is very popular in the US (I can't figure it out why). It makes sense that Speed gives them more airtime.
| BriDrive | 11-16-2004 04:15 PM |
NASCAR wouldn't even be THAT bad if the races didn't take 4 hours plus or minus.....I generally tune to the last 20 laps to see who won....Last race of the season coming up....should be a pretty interesting last 20 laps for me....
If every single member of this forum sent them a letter of complaint, it would not even put a dent in the single race viewership in any given NASCAR weekend.(Not, of course, to say it isn't worth the trouble)
What bothers me most I guess about the SpeedTV coverage is that it's all HISTORY, yeah...RERUNS.....the folks have already seen it on FOX,TNT or NBC.....but there's still a need to recap the sport from monday through friday?????? Surely there marketing numbers have to be wrong.....
If every single member of this forum sent them a letter of complaint, it would not even put a dent in the single race viewership in any given NASCAR weekend.(Not, of course, to say it isn't worth the trouble)
What bothers me most I guess about the SpeedTV coverage is that it's all HISTORY, yeah...RERUNS.....the folks have already seen it on FOX,TNT or NBC.....but there's still a need to recap the sport from monday through friday?????? Surely there marketing numbers have to be wrong.....
| Snowphun | 11-16-2004 04:40 PM |
The historical stuff is kind of odd, but there's an entire ESPN channel devoted to nothing but classics. Speed also has F1 Decade, which replayed every race of the 1994 season, a few of which were very significant. They still have a few hours or infomercials everyday, so this is at least an improvement.
| Howl | 11-16-2004 04:49 PM |
[QUOTE=hhcchen]why is nascar so popular...?
can any fan tell me why it's fun to watch nascar...?[/QUOTE]
I would say it's because stock car racing is the most spectator friendly form of racing. You see all the action all the time, the cars go real fast and there are lots of crashes. You don't miss any of the action on the back part of the track. Rally and road racing are for drivers, Nascar is for spectators.
can any fan tell me why it's fun to watch nascar...?[/QUOTE]
I would say it's because stock car racing is the most spectator friendly form of racing. You see all the action all the time, the cars go real fast and there are lots of crashes. You don't miss any of the action on the back part of the track. Rally and road racing are for drivers, Nascar is for spectators.
| KoneKiller | 11-16-2004 07:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Snowphun]Now you just sound ignorant, as this is simply wrong. Again, look at the programming schedule on their site. Here, let me help you:
[/QUOTE]
Did you choose 'Two-Wheel Tuesday' on purpose? Let's try... MONDAY:
[FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=2]12:00 AM WRC Rally Magazine "Australia" Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 12:30)
12:30 AM Auto Racing "FIA World Rally: Australia" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 02:00)
2:00 AM AutoWeek The pages of AutoWeek magazine come to life. (ends at 02:30)
2:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 03:00)
3:00 AM Auto Racing "CORR Sportsman Series" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) From Antigo, Wis. (ends at 04:00)
4:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 04:30)
4:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 05:00)
5:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 05:30)
5:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 06:00)
6:00 AM NBS 24-7 (ends at 06:30)
6:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 07:00)
7:00 AM NASCAR Edition Speed News (ends at 07:30)
7:30 AM Speed News Sunday (ends at 08:00)
8:00 AM Wind Tunnel With Dave Despain (Sports / Info) (ends at 09:00)
9:00 AM NASCAR Victory Lane "Darlington" (Sports / Info) CC The Mountain Dew Southern 500, from Darlington, S.C. (ends at 10:00)
10:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 10:30)
10:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 11:00)
11:00 AM NASCAR Edition Speed News (ends at 11:30)
11:30 AM NASCAR Racing "Craftsman Truck Series" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) From Darlington Raceway in Darlington, S.C. (ends at 02:00)
2:00 PM Monster Jam "Pontiac Competition" CC Stereo From Pontiac, Mich. (ends at 03:00)
3:00 PM Making of NASCAR 2005 (ends at 03:30)
3:30 PM NASCAR Performance (Sports / Info) (ends at 04:00)
4:00 PM Men Behind the Wrenches "Greg Zipadelli" Crew-chief for Tony Stewart. (ends at 04:30)
4:30 PM NASCAR Past Champions Part 1 of 2 "Dale Earnhardt" (Sports / Info) (ends at 05:00)
5:00 PM NASCAR Victory Lane "Darlington" (Sports / Info) CC The Mountain Dew Southern 500, from Darlington, S.C. (ends at 06:00)
6:00 PM Inside Nextel Cup (Sports / Info) (ends at 07:00)
7:00 PM NBS 24-7 (ends at 07:30)
7:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 08:00)
8:00 PM Fifth Gear "Toys for Big Boys" (ends at 08:30)
8:30 PM MotorWeek "Porsche 911 Carrera S" (News) Road testing the all-new 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S sports car. (ends at 09:00)
9:00 PM Wind Tunnel With Dave Despain (Sports / Info) (Live) (ends at 10:00)
10:00 PM Inside Nextel Cup (Sports / Info) (ends at 11:00)
11:00 PM NBS 24-7 (ends at 11:30)
11:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 12:00)[/SIZE][/FONT]
This is 12 hours of NASCAR. 3 hours of infomercial.
[/QUOTE]
Did you choose 'Two-Wheel Tuesday' on purpose? Let's try... MONDAY:
[FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=2]12:00 AM WRC Rally Magazine "Australia" Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 12:30)
12:30 AM Auto Racing "FIA World Rally: Australia" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 02:00)
2:00 AM AutoWeek The pages of AutoWeek magazine come to life. (ends at 02:30)
2:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 03:00)
3:00 AM Auto Racing "CORR Sportsman Series" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) From Antigo, Wis. (ends at 04:00)
4:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 04:30)
4:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 05:00)
5:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 05:30)
5:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 06:00)
6:00 AM NBS 24-7 (ends at 06:30)
6:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 07:00)
7:00 AM NASCAR Edition Speed News (ends at 07:30)
7:30 AM Speed News Sunday (ends at 08:00)
8:00 AM Wind Tunnel With Dave Despain (Sports / Info) (ends at 09:00)
9:00 AM NASCAR Victory Lane "Darlington" (Sports / Info) CC The Mountain Dew Southern 500, from Darlington, S.C. (ends at 10:00)
10:00 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 10:30)
10:30 AM Consumer Product Showcase (Shopping) CC Merchandise for the active consumer. (ends at 11:00)
11:00 AM NASCAR Edition Speed News (ends at 11:30)
11:30 AM NASCAR Racing "Craftsman Truck Series" (Sport - Events) (Repeat) From Darlington Raceway in Darlington, S.C. (ends at 02:00)
2:00 PM Monster Jam "Pontiac Competition" CC Stereo From Pontiac, Mich. (ends at 03:00)
3:00 PM Making of NASCAR 2005 (ends at 03:30)
3:30 PM NASCAR Performance (Sports / Info) (ends at 04:00)
4:00 PM Men Behind the Wrenches "Greg Zipadelli" Crew-chief for Tony Stewart. (ends at 04:30)
4:30 PM NASCAR Past Champions Part 1 of 2 "Dale Earnhardt" (Sports / Info) (ends at 05:00)
5:00 PM NASCAR Victory Lane "Darlington" (Sports / Info) CC The Mountain Dew Southern 500, from Darlington, S.C. (ends at 06:00)
6:00 PM Inside Nextel Cup (Sports / Info) (ends at 07:00)
7:00 PM NBS 24-7 (ends at 07:30)
7:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 08:00)
8:00 PM Fifth Gear "Toys for Big Boys" (ends at 08:30)
8:30 PM MotorWeek "Porsche 911 Carrera S" (News) Road testing the all-new 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S sports car. (ends at 09:00)
9:00 PM Wind Tunnel With Dave Despain (Sports / Info) (Live) (ends at 10:00)
10:00 PM Inside Nextel Cup (Sports / Info) (ends at 11:00)
11:00 PM NBS 24-7 (ends at 11:30)
11:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 12:00)[/SIZE][/FONT]
This is 12 hours of NASCAR. 3 hours of infomercial.
| Bonzo | 11-16-2004 07:09 PM |
Of course Monday is going to be a recap of the weekends nascar races. No biggie, I just turn the channel.
w/o Monday we would NEVER have tuesday.
w/o Monday we would NEVER have tuesday.
| Snowphun | 11-16-2004 08:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KoneKiller]Did you choose 'Two-Wheel Tuesday' on purpose?[/QUOTE]
:confused: I picked today's schedule, all days are different, today's focus is Motorcycles. The point is, even on a heavy NASCAR day like the one you picked, 12 hours is not 23/24 hours.
:confused: I picked today's schedule, all days are different, today's focus is Motorcycles. The point is, even on a heavy NASCAR day like the one you picked, 12 hours is not 23/24 hours.
| baileypicks24 | 11-16-2004 10:53 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy] Who really enjoys a reality show where they follow Billy Joe Bob around bumfock North Carolina? Or who enjoys watching Cletus and Bubba argue on some talk show about who has the quickest car?
-faast[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you said before comment. I live in NC, and what you said is WRONG.
:mad: :mad:
-faast[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you said before comment. I live in NC, and what you said is WRONG.
:mad: :mad:
| Dussander | 11-17-2004 10:59 AM |
Just a buy a TiVo (or ReplayTV for Kevin) and you won't ever have to see Nascar or other crap you don't like. Live TV is for suckers. :)
| GarySheehan | 11-17-2004 11:52 AM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]Just a buy a TiVo (or ReplayTV for Kevin) and you won't ever have to see Nascar or other crap you don't like. Live TV is for suckers. :)[/QUOTE]
What he said. I've got 5 CART races backed up that I haven't watched yet. TIVO rules!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
What he said. I've got 5 CART races backed up that I haven't watched yet. TIVO rules!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| trhoppe | 11-17-2004 12:14 PM |
Bingo!
Set to record at
12:00 AM WRC Rally Magazine "Australia" Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 12:30)
2:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 03:00)
2:00 PM Monster Jam "Pontiac Competition" CC Stereo From Pontiac, Mich. (ends at 03:00)
7:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 08:00)
8:00 PM Fifth Gear "Toys for Big Boys" (ends at 08:30)
8:30 PM MotorWeek "Porsche 911 Carrera S" (News) Road testing the all-new 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S sports car. (ends at 09:00)
and you have all the days TV you need :)
-Tom
Set to record at
12:00 AM WRC Rally Magazine "Australia" Highlights of the Telstra Rally Australia from Perth, Australia. (ends at 12:30)
2:30 AM Motor Sport Mundial International auto racing news. (ends at 03:00)
2:00 PM Monster Jam "Pontiac Competition" CC Stereo From Pontiac, Mich. (ends at 03:00)
7:30 PM Dream Car Garage (Info) The 2004 project cars are a 1965 427 Cobra and a 1972 Goodmark Nova. (ends at 08:00)
8:00 PM Fifth Gear "Toys for Big Boys" (ends at 08:30)
8:30 PM MotorWeek "Porsche 911 Carrera S" (News) Road testing the all-new 2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S sports car. (ends at 09:00)
and you have all the days TV you need :)
-Tom
| PhilC | 11-17-2004 12:26 PM |
In all of this thread I haven't seen one single thing about the contract. Doesn't everyone remember that Fox signed a contract with NASCAR that demanded truly unreasonable amounts of coverage, especially prime-time coverage? By contract Fox and it's subsidiaries must show 20 hours of prime-time NASCAR programming a week. Buying Speed was the way that they met that contract. Now was the contract stupid, yes but Fox wanted the revenue of NASCAR and signed in blood to get it and NASCAR is certainly happy about the situation as well I'd imagine.
While it does pain me to see so much NASCAR related programming, especially in prime-time that is what a DVR is for.
While it does pain me to see so much NASCAR related programming, especially in prime-time that is what a DVR is for.
| wrx2.0 555 | 11-17-2004 01:01 PM |
Part of me agrees with the negativity towards Speed, but then again, part of me is quite thankful for Speed after seeing a "Scrabble" tournament on ESPN........
Scott
Scott
| jcroy66 | 11-17-2004 02:30 PM |
DVR is awesome! Unfortunately I filled the entire 80-hour disk within about 4 days! :) Now I have to limit what I set to record automatically to what I'm sure I'm actually going to watch in a timely fashion. And no more recording of any HD shows. *sigh* :( I really think I need a 320-hour unit. :devil: Then I could set it to record HD football games and watch the entire game in about an hour. :banana:
| baileypicks24 | 11-17-2004 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555]Part of me agrees with the negativity towards Speed, but then again, part of me is quite thankful for Speed after seeing a "Scrabble" tournament on ESPN........
Scott[/QUOTE]
LOL
Or the Spelling Bees!! HAHAHA :lol:
Actually the National Spelligns Bees are pretty entertaining :D
Scott[/QUOTE]
LOL
Or the Spelling Bees!! HAHAHA :lol:
Actually the National Spelligns Bees are pretty entertaining :D
| kellygnsd | 11-18-2004 12:53 AM |
Does anybody remember when two wheel Tuesdays consisted of the whole day? Ahh the good old days.
| Achilles38WRX | 11-18-2004 10:04 AM |
[QUOTE=kellygnsd]Does anybody remember when two wheel Tuesdays consisted of the whole day? Ahh the good old days.[/QUOTE]
i remember dave despain saying noone was watching, so they cut back.
i remember dave despain saying noone was watching, so they cut back.
| Rodan | 11-18-2004 03:42 PM |
What is your definition of Grassroots racing? Because I wouldn't really categorize FIA Rally as grassroots.
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]I wanted to experss my frustration with Speed Channel, formerly known as Speedvision.
Now, I have appreciation for mainstream racing (NASCAR I guess would be the best example) but don't really follow it. I'm really a grassroots racing kinda guy - I enjoy autocrossing. I follow the FIA World Rally, Speed GT, BTCC, etc etc. Well, Speed Channel is the only channel which really broadcasts these events, so I paid the entire $9.95/month for this channel.
All I see is NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR. I had respect for this sport, but now I'm beginning to hate it. The channel is absolutely dominated by NASCAR and it makes me sick. I remember when Speed Channel was Speedvision years ago, and they showed little or no NASCAR.
I'm just a little dissapointed I guess that's all...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]I wanted to experss my frustration with Speed Channel, formerly known as Speedvision.
Now, I have appreciation for mainstream racing (NASCAR I guess would be the best example) but don't really follow it. I'm really a grassroots racing kinda guy - I enjoy autocrossing. I follow the FIA World Rally, Speed GT, BTCC, etc etc. Well, Speed Channel is the only channel which really broadcasts these events, so I paid the entire $9.95/month for this channel.
All I see is NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR. I had respect for this sport, but now I'm beginning to hate it. The channel is absolutely dominated by NASCAR and it makes me sick. I remember when Speed Channel was Speedvision years ago, and they showed little or no NASCAR.
I'm just a little dissapointed I guess that's all...[/QUOTE]
| Homemade WRX | 11-18-2004 05:41 PM |
speedvision has gone downhill since the nascar lovers have takin over
| mw1029h | 11-19-2004 03:40 AM |
Well, it is true without speed we would have very little racing CNBC does some ALMS and we would be able to see some open wheel oval and road racing, the 1 F1 race but that would be about all. It would be nice if speed would show more touring car racing DTM ,BTCC, ETCC and even the JGTC all of which they have shown in the past. It would be nice if speed would extend motorsports Mundial to one hour. :D BTW the SCCA runoffs are headed our way so stay tuned.
| Dr. WOT | 11-19-2004 09:55 AM |
*SIGH* I guess we were due for another bitch-about-SPEED thread....
It is better now than it has ever been. Speedvision spent 3 days per week on planes and boats, with NOTHING about cars for even a second. It seems like your selective memory has left that little factoid out.
Buy a DVR. Or use the program guide on their website. I too am behind in my SPEED viewing... I still have to watch 4 F1 decades, 2 Rally races, Autoerotica from Goodwood (!!!!!) and I've only watched the Brazilian GP once. No rush, I have all winter to catch up. But that's just a glimps of what you've been missing.
Oh, and the guy that said they alternate between WRC and F1 each Sunday night? LOL!!! Dude, you'll probably need to contact Max Mosley on that one....
It is better now than it has ever been. Speedvision spent 3 days per week on planes and boats, with NOTHING about cars for even a second. It seems like your selective memory has left that little factoid out.
Buy a DVR. Or use the program guide on their website. I too am behind in my SPEED viewing... I still have to watch 4 F1 decades, 2 Rally races, Autoerotica from Goodwood (!!!!!) and I've only watched the Brazilian GP once. No rush, I have all winter to catch up. But that's just a glimps of what you've been missing.
Oh, and the guy that said they alternate between WRC and F1 each Sunday night? LOL!!! Dude, you'll probably need to contact Max Mosley on that one....
| artkevin | 11-19-2004 11:01 AM |
I think a lot of you are being too hard on Speed. I can't watch a NASCAR program but then again I can't watch Will & Grace either but I don't hate NBC. Their coverage of the races I like (F1, WRC, ALMS, Speed GT and TOuring and so on) is fanastic. They upset me when they put a week long delay on WRC and then they fix it by making it 1 show on Sunday night on the same weekend. I can't imagine how hard that must be to pull off.
KP
KP
| Mr Kleen | 11-19-2004 02:24 PM |
when NBC puts Will & Grace on 18 hours of every day, then I'll hate NBC too... :furious: sorry, just venting. I just wish I could see something OTHER than NASCAR. I didn't care much for the sport before Murdock bought Speedivision to support his NASCAR contract. now I hate it. I shouldn't be this way but I just can't help myself. if they were actually STOCK cars and they did more than turn left all day I would give it a shot. bah, preaching to the choir... sorry again, I'll end my rant now.
| SLIGHTLY | 11-19-2004 02:37 PM |
Ya know, i wish i had the speed channel to complain about here, 80 miles south of me its with extended basic, here you have to have digital cable to get it.
| Dr. WOT | 11-19-2004 03:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Mr Kleen]when NBC puts Will & Grace on 18 hours of every day, then I'll hate NBC too... :furious: sorry, just venting. I just wish I could see something OTHER than NASCAR. I didn't care much for the sport before Murdock bought Speedivision to support his NASCAR contract. now I hate it. I shouldn't be this way but I just can't help myself. if they were actually STOCK cars and they did more than turn left all day I would give it a shot. bah, preaching to the choir... sorry again, I'll end my rant now.[/QUOTE]
What is it you want, to be able to turn on the tv and see exactly what you want at any given time? I don't think I need to tell you it doesn't work like that.
You should realize that money NASCAR brings in, be it from the parent company FOX, or from the advertising, or the contract itself, [i]is what pays for all the other programming on SPEED.[/i]
Do you remember what it was like when Speedvision carried F1? Each year they did not have their contract worked out until a few hours before the race itself!! A puny little cable channel doesn't have the power or the money to sway big contracts like the one Bernie demands. What is the risk there? That ESPN outbids Speedvision and gets the F1 contract, which then means rather than every session live, we get edited tape delays on ESPN2, which will get pre-empted but the World Series of Poker. Forget about WRC, they don't even know what it is.
Speaking for myself I am much happier knowing for fact they next year F1 and WRC will be shown, and I won't miss a thing. If that means there's 10 hours of NASCAR per day that I have neither the time nor the inclination watch anyway, I'm not too worried.
NASCAR on SPEED is necessary. Deal. Buy a DVR, or use the program guide on their website. There are hours of great programming, you just have to work a little bit.
What is it you want, to be able to turn on the tv and see exactly what you want at any given time? I don't think I need to tell you it doesn't work like that.
You should realize that money NASCAR brings in, be it from the parent company FOX, or from the advertising, or the contract itself, [i]is what pays for all the other programming on SPEED.[/i]
Do you remember what it was like when Speedvision carried F1? Each year they did not have their contract worked out until a few hours before the race itself!! A puny little cable channel doesn't have the power or the money to sway big contracts like the one Bernie demands. What is the risk there? That ESPN outbids Speedvision and gets the F1 contract, which then means rather than every session live, we get edited tape delays on ESPN2, which will get pre-empted but the World Series of Poker. Forget about WRC, they don't even know what it is.
Speaking for myself I am much happier knowing for fact they next year F1 and WRC will be shown, and I won't miss a thing. If that means there's 10 hours of NASCAR per day that I have neither the time nor the inclination watch anyway, I'm not too worried.
NASCAR on SPEED is necessary. Deal. Buy a DVR, or use the program guide on their website. There are hours of great programming, you just have to work a little bit.
| artkevin | 11-19-2004 03:29 PM |
Its cool Mr Kleen. Even with all of the roundy-round stuff that they show I still watch the living crap out of Speed. Any channel that covers Goodwood and The Paris Dakar Rally with F1 and WRC to boot gets my vote. I just feel that the NASCAR stuff is there to pay the bills and make more money to cover things like SCCA events and German semitruck racing (they'll race anything with wheels).
| Dr. WOT | 11-19-2004 03:34 PM |
thanks kev, that sums up what I am trying to say, sorry for getting longwinded
| driggity | 11-19-2004 03:42 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]German semitruck racing (they'll race anything with wheels).[/QUOTE]
I think this is coming to the US :D
And I hear that the reason F1 and WRC are on alternating weekends is that Speed Channel pays off Max so they have more time to air NASCAR ;)
I think this is coming to the US :D
And I hear that the reason F1 and WRC are on alternating weekends is that Speed Channel pays off Max so they have more time to air NASCAR ;)
| artkevin | 11-19-2004 03:50 PM |
Dr. WOT,
Sorry about that, I type slow and by the time I hit send you had already posted your reply.
On an off note. Last year ESPN's ticker said that "Jarno Alonso" won the Hungarian GP. I think I was one of 100 people in the US that found that funny.
Sorry about that, I type slow and by the time I hit send you had already posted your reply.
On an off note. Last year ESPN's ticker said that "Jarno Alonso" won the Hungarian GP. I think I was one of 100 people in the US that found that funny.
| Dr. WOT | 11-19-2004 03:56 PM |
Lol!
| baileypicks24 | 11-19-2004 07:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Rodan]What is your definition of Grassroots racing? Because I wouldn't really categorize FIA Rally as grassroots.[/QUOTE]
ehhh, I knew someobyd would catch that :D
First of all, this is from the standpoint of an American viewer.
When I referred to "grassroots," in my mind it means racing not in the mainstream. Racing not shown on the major television networks like FOX, NBC, CBS and NBC. Racing some people have never even heard of...Example, ask a random person and they're sure to have heard of NASCAR or Indy racing. You'll get a blank look on many people's faces when you say BTCC, Speed GT, or even WRC.
So that's what I was referring to. I should've used a word other than grassroots though, but anywho... :disco:
ehhh, I knew someobyd would catch that :D
First of all, this is from the standpoint of an American viewer.
When I referred to "grassroots," in my mind it means racing not in the mainstream. Racing not shown on the major television networks like FOX, NBC, CBS and NBC. Racing some people have never even heard of...Example, ask a random person and they're sure to have heard of NASCAR or Indy racing. You'll get a blank look on many people's faces when you say BTCC, Speed GT, or even WRC.
So that's what I was referring to. I should've used a word other than grassroots though, but anywho... :disco:
| baileypicks24 | 11-19-2004 07:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Dr. WOT]*SIGH* I guess we were due for another bitch-about-SPEED thread....
It is better now than it has ever been. Speedvision spent 3 days per week on planes and boats, with NOTHING about cars for even a second. It seems like your selective memory has left that little factoid out.
Buy a DVR. Or use the program guide on their website. I too am behind in my SPEED viewing... I still have to watch 4 F1 decades, 2 Rally races, Autoerotica from Goodwood (!!!!!) and I've only watched the Brazilian GP once. No rush, I have all winter to catch up. But that's just a glimps of what you've been missing.
Oh, and the guy that said they alternate between WRC and F1 each Sunday night? LOL!!! Dude, you'll probably need to contact Max Mosley on that one....[/QUOTE]
Umm okay.
I work full time and I go to school full time. I'm paying nearly $100/month for my hard earned money for television (and no, cheaper television is not available here), and you want me to just stop my "bitching" and get spoon-fed whatever those corporate fat cats want to spoon feed. And on top of that you want me to dish out another couple hundred bucks for a DVR.
That's laughable. :lol: :lol: :lol: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna see something I don't like, I'm going to bitch about it. That's what America was founded on...we bitched and fought until we got what we got, and I'll continue to do that. Thank you for your opinion though.
It is better now than it has ever been. Speedvision spent 3 days per week on planes and boats, with NOTHING about cars for even a second. It seems like your selective memory has left that little factoid out.
Buy a DVR. Or use the program guide on their website. I too am behind in my SPEED viewing... I still have to watch 4 F1 decades, 2 Rally races, Autoerotica from Goodwood (!!!!!) and I've only watched the Brazilian GP once. No rush, I have all winter to catch up. But that's just a glimps of what you've been missing.
Oh, and the guy that said they alternate between WRC and F1 each Sunday night? LOL!!! Dude, you'll probably need to contact Max Mosley on that one....[/QUOTE]
Umm okay.
I work full time and I go to school full time. I'm paying nearly $100/month for my hard earned money for television (and no, cheaper television is not available here), and you want me to just stop my "bitching" and get spoon-fed whatever those corporate fat cats want to spoon feed. And on top of that you want me to dish out another couple hundred bucks for a DVR.
That's laughable. :lol: :lol: :lol: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna see something I don't like, I'm going to bitch about it. That's what America was founded on...we bitched and fought until we got what we got, and I'll continue to do that. Thank you for your opinion though.
| GarySheehan | 11-19-2004 09:18 PM |
That's fine, but in this case you are a minority viewer. You can bitch all you want, but there are more people out there in the US that watch NASCAR than those that watch all of the others, COMBINED. So your bitching really isn't going to work.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Dr. WOT | 11-19-2004 09:29 PM |
The problem is you're bitching and fighting here, a place were people either don't agree, or do agree but like yourself don't care enough to actually do something meaningful about it. Instead of pissing in the wind, you should either take your complaints to SPEED, or get proactive and take the advice in this thread. I bought my Tivo for $99, the holidays are right around the corner, ask Santa. With your busy schedule it seems like a must. How do you have time to know what is on SPEED?
| mw1029h | 11-20-2004 04:12 AM |
Get a Tivo and check the guide and check Speeds Web Site it will help. Lastly make sure you block or give the thumps down symbol to all the NASCRAP shows or the Tivo will record them :D
| mike270 | 11-20-2004 11:26 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Its cool Mr Kleen. Even with all of the roundy-round stuff that they show I still watch the living crap out of Speed. Any channel that covers Goodwood and The Paris Dakar Rally with F1 and WRC to boot gets my vote. I just feel that the NASCAR stuff is there to pay the bills and make more money to cover things like SCCA events and German semitruck racing (they'll race anything with wheels).[/QUOTE]
Exactly!!
Exactly!!
| FaastLegacy | 11-20-2004 01:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Snowphun]Now you just sound ignorant, as this is simply wrong. Again, look at the programming schedule on their site. Here, let me help you:
Program Search Results 33 Programs Found
Schedule Subject To Change
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Time Program Description Rating
6:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
6:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
7:00 am NBS 24/7 Busy Day TV-PG
7:30 am AutoWeek TV-G
8:00 am MotorWeek Porsche 911 Carrera S TV-G
8:30 am Autoline Detroit John McElroy, host TV-G
9:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Ryan Arciero and David Reutimann NR
10:00 am Legends Of Motorsport BMC - The British Motor Car TV-G
10:30 am NBS 24/7 TV-PG
11:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
11:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
12:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma - Race 1 NR
1:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma- Race 2 NR
2:00 pm MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
3:00 pm Inside Nextel Cup NR
4:00 pm NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Darlington NR
6:30 pm NBS 24/7 TV-PG
7:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
7:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
8:00 pm 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
9:00 pm American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
9:30 pm Corbin's Ride On TV-G
10:00 pm Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch (LIVE) NR
11:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
11:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
12:00 am 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
1:00 am American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
1:30 am Corbin's Ride On TV-G
2:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch NR
3:00 am MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
4:00 am Canadian Motocross Nanaimo NR
5:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
5:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
23/24 hours of NASCAR in there? :rolleyes: Stop your bitching which is fixing nothing. NASCAR is very popular in the US (I can't figure it out why). It makes sense that Speed gives them more airtime.[/QUOTE]
First off thanks for judging me, I really appreciate that. :rolleyes: Second off, do you know what an exaggeration is? Yes I realize there couldn't possibly be 23 hours out of 24 hours purely for the fact that there's paid programming at 4am!
I don't quite understand how even a die hard NASCAR fan could like all the NASCAR programs on Speed. What redeeming entertainment value does the NASTRUCK Friday practice session have? How is that entertaining?
I don't really care how ignorant you seem to think I am, Speed used to be cool when they aired all those off beat programs like plane racing. Now they've been sold out to NASCAR like nearly every other channel out there(BTW: that's another exagerration :rolleyes:) And like the other guy said, I pay for my cable which affords me the right to bitch, if you don't like it I don't really care. :banana:
-faast
Program Search Results 33 Programs Found
Schedule Subject To Change
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Time Program Description Rating
6:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
6:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
7:00 am NBS 24/7 Busy Day TV-PG
7:30 am AutoWeek TV-G
8:00 am MotorWeek Porsche 911 Carrera S TV-G
8:30 am Autoline Detroit John McElroy, host TV-G
9:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Ryan Arciero and David Reutimann NR
10:00 am Legends Of Motorsport BMC - The British Motor Car TV-G
10:30 am NBS 24/7 TV-PG
11:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
11:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
12:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma - Race 1 NR
1:00 pm AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship Sonoma- Race 2 NR
2:00 pm MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
3:00 pm Inside Nextel Cup NR
4:00 pm NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Darlington NR
6:30 pm NBS 24/7 TV-PG
7:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
7:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
8:00 pm 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
9:00 pm American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
9:30 pm Corbin's Ride On TV-G
10:00 pm Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch (LIVE) NR
11:00 pm Tuner Transformation Ford Focus TV-PG
11:30 pm NOPI Tunervision Richmond TV-PG
12:00 am 2 Wheel Tuesday Greg White, host TV-G
1:00 am American Thunder L.A. Calendar Bike Show TV-PG
1:30 am Corbin's Ride On TV-G
2:00 am Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain Kyle Busch NR
3:00 am MotoGP 125 Valencia Grand Prix NR
4:00 am Canadian Motocross Nanaimo NR
5:00 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
5:30 am Paid Programming Paid Programming NR
23/24 hours of NASCAR in there? :rolleyes: Stop your bitching which is fixing nothing. NASCAR is very popular in the US (I can't figure it out why). It makes sense that Speed gives them more airtime.[/QUOTE]
First off thanks for judging me, I really appreciate that. :rolleyes: Second off, do you know what an exaggeration is? Yes I realize there couldn't possibly be 23 hours out of 24 hours purely for the fact that there's paid programming at 4am!
I don't quite understand how even a die hard NASCAR fan could like all the NASCAR programs on Speed. What redeeming entertainment value does the NASTRUCK Friday practice session have? How is that entertaining?
I don't really care how ignorant you seem to think I am, Speed used to be cool when they aired all those off beat programs like plane racing. Now they've been sold out to NASCAR like nearly every other channel out there(BTW: that's another exagerration :rolleyes:) And like the other guy said, I pay for my cable which affords me the right to bitch, if you don't like it I don't really care. :banana:
-faast
| FaastLegacy | 11-20-2004 01:11 PM |
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]I agree with everything you said before comment. I live in NC, and what you said is WRONG.
:mad: :mad:[/QUOTE]
I apologize for that, my bad. I live in MO so I know how it is to have people from both coasts think you're a redneck.
-faast
:mad: :mad:[/QUOTE]
I apologize for that, my bad. I live in MO so I know how it is to have people from both coasts think you're a redneck.
-faast
| driggity | 11-20-2004 02:18 PM |
I hope all you complainers took advantage of the fact that they just showed the LSPR coverage and are now in the beginning of 2 hours of SCCA runoffs coverage.
| artkevin | 11-20-2004 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]
I don't quite understand how even a die hard NASCAR fan could like all the NASCAR programs on Speed. What redeeming entertainment value does the NASTRUCK Friday practice session have? How is that entertaining?
[/QUOTE]
If they showed the same amount of F1 coverage I would be all over it. I can't get enough of it. So I can see how NASCAR guys cold watch every waking moment of the stuff.
Kevin
I don't quite understand how even a die hard NASCAR fan could like all the NASCAR programs on Speed. What redeeming entertainment value does the NASTRUCK Friday practice session have? How is that entertaining?
[/QUOTE]
If they showed the same amount of F1 coverage I would be all over it. I can't get enough of it. So I can see how NASCAR guys cold watch every waking moment of the stuff.
Kevin
| baileypicks24 | 11-20-2004 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=Dr. WOT]The problem is you're bitching and fighting here, a place were people either don't agree, or do agree but like yourself don't care enough to actually do something meaningful about it. [/QUOTE]
Wow. Sterotypical bitch.
I've written numerous letters to Speed TV via their website, and I've also written 2 letters via snail mail to them.
Please think before you open your mouth and jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:
Wow. Sterotypical bitch.
I've written numerous letters to Speed TV via their website, and I've also written 2 letters via snail mail to them.
Please think before you open your mouth and jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:
| baileypicks24 | 11-20-2004 03:55 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]That's fine, but in this case you are a minority viewer. You can bitch all you want, but there are more people out there in the US that watch NASCAR than those that watch all of the others, COMBINED. So your bitching really isn't going to work.
[/QUOTE]
True, but its interest aggregation that counts. In the US, only a tiny fraction of the population is Jewish, yet thru interest aggregation they get billions of dollars sent every year to Israel.
My point is that even a small group can make a difference....that is, if they voice their opinion. The creation of this thread alone has resulted in a couple people writing to Speed TV about this issue. Continuing to keep discussing this issue will only get more people like us involved and more people writing to Speed TV, which is our goal.
[/QUOTE]
True, but its interest aggregation that counts. In the US, only a tiny fraction of the population is Jewish, yet thru interest aggregation they get billions of dollars sent every year to Israel.
My point is that even a small group can make a difference....that is, if they voice their opinion. The creation of this thread alone has resulted in a couple people writing to Speed TV about this issue. Continuing to keep discussing this issue will only get more people like us involved and more people writing to Speed TV, which is our goal.
| GarySheehan | 11-20-2004 04:42 PM |
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]True, but its interest aggregation that counts. In the US, only a tiny fraction of the population is Jewish, yet thru interest aggregation they get billions of dollars sent every year to Israel.
My point is that even a small group can make a difference....that is, if they voice their opinion. The creation of this thread alone has resulted in a couple people writing to Speed TV about this issue. Continuing to keep discussing this issue will only get more people like us involved and more people writing to Speed TV, which is our goal.[/QUOTE]
But as several people pointed out, NASCAR pays the bills. Reducing income is not in SpeedTV's or our interest, as programming that brings in less advertising dollars (i.e.-F1, World Challenge, Grand-Am, Grand-Am Cup, World Rally Championship, Toyota Atlantic, Star Mazda, etc.) will suffer quality degradation and will be the first to go.
Instead of complaining to SpeedTV about the quantity of NASCAR that's on, I strongly suggest a united front to promote ONE SINGLE EFFORT to improve a particular program or add a particular series. This means, say, get everyone on this forum to write in to SpeedTV to add a half hour to WRC coverage and express what exactly you'd like to see this half hour filled with (i.e.-more in-car coverage, more ghost cars on animated course maps, more coverage of lesser classes, etc.). A large enough contingent of people voicing a common opinion will encourage SpeedTV and help them justify replacing some of the paid advertising with new racing programming (and the corresponding commercial advertising that goes with it). They need to prove to the advertisers that there is a large enough viewership of the programming to justify the advertisers' spend. NASCAR should not be mentioned in your correspondance AT ALL.
Once you get what you want, change your focus to the next programming improvement you want to see and get a large group to rally around that one. Continue to leave your comments regarding NASCAR out of these campaigns.
This is what I mean by constructive criticism.
Just writing in to SpeedTV complaining about all the NASCAR coverage and just telling them to cover more of the other stuff will accomplish absolutely nothing. I promise.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
My point is that even a small group can make a difference....that is, if they voice their opinion. The creation of this thread alone has resulted in a couple people writing to Speed TV about this issue. Continuing to keep discussing this issue will only get more people like us involved and more people writing to Speed TV, which is our goal.[/QUOTE]
But as several people pointed out, NASCAR pays the bills. Reducing income is not in SpeedTV's or our interest, as programming that brings in less advertising dollars (i.e.-F1, World Challenge, Grand-Am, Grand-Am Cup, World Rally Championship, Toyota Atlantic, Star Mazda, etc.) will suffer quality degradation and will be the first to go.
Instead of complaining to SpeedTV about the quantity of NASCAR that's on, I strongly suggest a united front to promote ONE SINGLE EFFORT to improve a particular program or add a particular series. This means, say, get everyone on this forum to write in to SpeedTV to add a half hour to WRC coverage and express what exactly you'd like to see this half hour filled with (i.e.-more in-car coverage, more ghost cars on animated course maps, more coverage of lesser classes, etc.). A large enough contingent of people voicing a common opinion will encourage SpeedTV and help them justify replacing some of the paid advertising with new racing programming (and the corresponding commercial advertising that goes with it). They need to prove to the advertisers that there is a large enough viewership of the programming to justify the advertisers' spend. NASCAR should not be mentioned in your correspondance AT ALL.
Once you get what you want, change your focus to the next programming improvement you want to see and get a large group to rally around that one. Continue to leave your comments regarding NASCAR out of these campaigns.
This is what I mean by constructive criticism.
Just writing in to SpeedTV complaining about all the NASCAR coverage and just telling them to cover more of the other stuff will accomplish absolutely nothing. I promise.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| baileypicks24 | 11-20-2004 05:08 PM |
Interesting.
Indeed we're not getting rid or NASCAR anytime soon, but something like adding a half hour to WRC coverage makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you. One firm effort by a everyone is how it's going to get done.
Does everyone agree asking for 30 additional minutes of WRC coverage is what we should ask for?
Or perhaps more coverage for JGTC, BTCC?
Ideas??
We could draft a letter and get signatures from people in our respective communities perhaps and send a letter. Or perhaps draft a single letter and get everyone's signature on NASIOC? Or get NASIOC to send the letter on behalf of all its members? Clearly there are people on this board who want to do this...but how precisely would we go about doing it?
Indeed we're not getting rid or NASCAR anytime soon, but something like adding a half hour to WRC coverage makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you. One firm effort by a everyone is how it's going to get done.
Does everyone agree asking for 30 additional minutes of WRC coverage is what we should ask for?
Or perhaps more coverage for JGTC, BTCC?
Ideas??
We could draft a letter and get signatures from people in our respective communities perhaps and send a letter. Or perhaps draft a single letter and get everyone's signature on NASIOC? Or get NASIOC to send the letter on behalf of all its members? Clearly there are people on this board who want to do this...but how precisely would we go about doing it?
| meebs | 11-20-2004 05:33 PM |
The channel was so much better pre-fox buyout. The WRC coverage was better, actually just coverage of everything going on in Europe was better. I wish they had some F1 & WRC, (or just everything under the FIA umbrella) shows that would cover news and do interviews, etc etc. Mr. Mosley is missing a good oportunity here, not that he cares.
| dc.fireman | 11-20-2004 05:59 PM |
I would absolutely LOVE any JGTC coverage....
| FaastLegacy | 11-20-2004 08:59 PM |
I wonder how much money in advertising Subaru forks over to support WRC broadcasts. I'l bet it's a fair amount considering there's at least one Subaru commercial every break. I've seen that commercial with the silver WRX going around in circles more times than I'd care to count. I'd even go as far to say SOA is prolly one of the reasons we still get WRC coverage.
-faast
-faast
| GarySheehan | 11-20-2004 09:00 PM |
baileypicks24,
I would try to avoid a petition unless you are confident you can get at least 10,000 signatures. A lesser petition would show the limit of the numbers that are interested.
I think individual hits to SpeedTV's online feedback form would generate the biggest impact. If they got several hundred personalized feedback forms they would definitely take notice and not really understand how deep the demand is behind it. Could sway them in your favor.
Another suggestion is maybe start a seperate thread that polls readers and asks them what series they would like to focus on. Have the choices be improvements to existing series and throw in some unbroadcastes series (i.e.-BTCC, GTCC, JGTC, etc.) Once the votes are in, start another poll on the winning poll and narrow down how you want to improve that particular existing program or what the new program should have. Once everyone has come to a concensus. Start a very specific SpeedTV feedback campaign and let 'em have it.
As I've said, they've already listened to us and have doubled the TV coverage of Grand-Am Cup races. It can work again.
Good luck!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
I would try to avoid a petition unless you are confident you can get at least 10,000 signatures. A lesser petition would show the limit of the numbers that are interested.
I think individual hits to SpeedTV's online feedback form would generate the biggest impact. If they got several hundred personalized feedback forms they would definitely take notice and not really understand how deep the demand is behind it. Could sway them in your favor.
Another suggestion is maybe start a seperate thread that polls readers and asks them what series they would like to focus on. Have the choices be improvements to existing series and throw in some unbroadcastes series (i.e.-BTCC, GTCC, JGTC, etc.) Once the votes are in, start another poll on the winning poll and narrow down how you want to improve that particular existing program or what the new program should have. Once everyone has come to a concensus. Start a very specific SpeedTV feedback campaign and let 'em have it.
As I've said, they've already listened to us and have doubled the TV coverage of Grand-Am Cup races. It can work again.
Good luck!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Snowphun | 11-20-2004 10:49 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]First off thanks for judging me, I really appreciate that. :rolleyes: Second off, do you know what an exaggeration is?[/QUOTE]
:lol: Judging you? Your exaggerating hardly makes you credible, I'm sure the folks at Speed would give you and your loud comments even less consideration.
[QUOTE]I don't really care how ignorant you seem to think I am[/QUOTE]
That's good, because these and other comments you've made have proved it for most of us.
:lol: Judging you? Your exaggerating hardly makes you credible, I'm sure the folks at Speed would give you and your loud comments even less consideration.
[QUOTE]I don't really care how ignorant you seem to think I am[/QUOTE]
That's good, because these and other comments you've made have proved it for most of us.
| artkevin | 11-21-2004 02:58 AM |
I vote BTCC coverage.
| mw1029h | 11-21-2004 03:04 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]baileypicks24,
I would try to avoid a petition unless you are confident you can get at least 10,000 signatures. A lesser petition would show the limit of the numbers that are interested.
I think individual hits to SpeedTV's online feedback form would generate the biggest impact. If they got several hundred personalized feedback forms they would definitely take notice and not really understand how deep the demand is behind it. Could sway them in your favor.
Another suggestion is maybe start a seperate thread that polls readers and asks them what series they would like to focus on. Have the choices be improvements to existing series and throw in some unbroadcastes series (i.e.-BTCC, GTCC, JGTC, etc.) Once the votes are in, start another poll on the winning poll and narrow down how you want to improve that particular existing program or what the new program should have. Once everyone has come to a concensus. Start a very specific SpeedTV feedback campaign and let 'em have it.
As I've said, they've already listened to us and have doubled the TV coverage of Grand-Am Cup races. It can work again.
Good luck!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]That's a great idea so who wants to ramrod this project. I should say which Guru will take the handle. :D
I would try to avoid a petition unless you are confident you can get at least 10,000 signatures. A lesser petition would show the limit of the numbers that are interested.
I think individual hits to SpeedTV's online feedback form would generate the biggest impact. If they got several hundred personalized feedback forms they would definitely take notice and not really understand how deep the demand is behind it. Could sway them in your favor.
Another suggestion is maybe start a seperate thread that polls readers and asks them what series they would like to focus on. Have the choices be improvements to existing series and throw in some unbroadcastes series (i.e.-BTCC, GTCC, JGTC, etc.) Once the votes are in, start another poll on the winning poll and narrow down how you want to improve that particular existing program or what the new program should have. Once everyone has come to a concensus. Start a very specific SpeedTV feedback campaign and let 'em have it.
As I've said, they've already listened to us and have doubled the TV coverage of Grand-Am Cup races. It can work again.
Good luck!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]That's a great idea so who wants to ramrod this project. I should say which Guru will take the handle. :D
| jcroy66 | 11-21-2004 08:18 AM |
My vote would actually just be to reinstate the policy of showing all 24 hours of LeMans. That's honestly my biggest gripe with Speed, post-buyout. I loved watching LeMans in the wee hours of the (French) morning. Unfortunately, now several hours (of this very cool time of the race) gets pre-empted for minor league NASCAR races. :(
Yeah, I know my vote would only impact your Speed viewing one day a year. But on the flip side, since it is only a few hours of extra coverage, maybe Speed would be most likely to do something about it?
Yeah, I know my vote would only impact your Speed viewing one day a year. But on the flip side, since it is only a few hours of extra coverage, maybe Speed would be most likely to do something about it?
| FaastLegacy | 11-21-2004 03:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Snowphun]:lol: Judging you? Your exaggerating hardly makes you credible, I'm sure the folks at Speed would give you and your loud comments even less consideration.
That's good, because these and other comments you've made have proved it for most of us.[/QUOTE]
Dude this is NASIOC, if you take anything on here I say THAT seriously you're wound too tightly. God forbid I'm not credible on teh interweb!
Hence, then you might understand why I don't care what some keyboard jockey/internet warrior seems to think of me. It's the internet, I can rant about what I want(within reason). I don't like what is currently happening to Speed so I ranted with a slight exagerration. For some reason, that seemed to get your panties all in a twist.
I do admit the NC comment was out of line but I apologized for that.
-faast
That's good, because these and other comments you've made have proved it for most of us.[/QUOTE]
Dude this is NASIOC, if you take anything on here I say THAT seriously you're wound too tightly. God forbid I'm not credible on teh interweb!
Hence, then you might understand why I don't care what some keyboard jockey/internet warrior seems to think of me. It's the internet, I can rant about what I want(within reason). I don't like what is currently happening to Speed so I ranted with a slight exagerration. For some reason, that seemed to get your panties all in a twist.
I do admit the NC comment was out of line but I apologized for that.
-faast
| Clegg | 11-21-2004 04:00 PM |
SpeedTV is the good with the bad. Lots of bad. But the good stuff they have are better than any other channel on TV. I mean live F1 COverage of every race, Live ALMS coverage, Recorded but good WRC coverage, etc... Yes theres Nascar, but I just tun in for what is worth watching.
Let them keep Nascar, it gives them money so they can cover good sports then also. NO Nascar = No SpeedTV. YOu guys do need to realize we are a niche market compared to Nascar in the US.
Also SpeedTV is kind enough to show the entire season of WRC on New Years day.. I mean how can you get any better than that?! (I am planning on doing WRC DVD's this year again also :) hehe)
Let them keep Nascar, it gives them money so they can cover good sports then also. NO Nascar = No SpeedTV. YOu guys do need to realize we are a niche market compared to Nascar in the US.
Also SpeedTV is kind enough to show the entire season of WRC on New Years day.. I mean how can you get any better than that?! (I am planning on doing WRC DVD's this year again also :) hehe)
| SubaruCO | 11-22-2004 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE=Clegg]Also SpeedTV is kind enough to show the entire season of WRC on New Years day.. I mean how can you get any better than that?! (I am planning on doing WRC DVD's this year again also :) hehe)[/QUOTE]
That really doesn't count because most of the rednecks are too hung over to watch NASCAR anyway! (psssst...tongue in cheek ;))
Actually I'd love to see more JGTC coverage. They don't seem to be shy about "rubbin' fenders" in that series and three abreast bumpin' for the apex is always fun to watch.
Plus I was able to justify the JGTC to SPEED by waving the new drifting and "it's JDM yo!" tuner market in front of thier faces. It's all about the money after all. I've sent my feedback form, how about you?
That really doesn't count because most of the rednecks are too hung over to watch NASCAR anyway! (psssst...tongue in cheek ;))
Actually I'd love to see more JGTC coverage. They don't seem to be shy about "rubbin' fenders" in that series and three abreast bumpin' for the apex is always fun to watch.
Plus I was able to justify the JGTC to SPEED by waving the new drifting and "it's JDM yo!" tuner market in front of thier faces. It's all about the money after all. I've sent my feedback form, how about you?
| Dr. WOT | 11-22-2004 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE=baileypicks24]Wow. Sterotypical bitch.
I've written numerous letters to Speed TV via their website, and I've also written 2 letters via snail mail to them.
Please think before you open your mouth and jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Poor assumption on my part, sorry. Good luck with your efforts.
I've written numerous letters to Speed TV via their website, and I've also written 2 letters via snail mail to them.
Please think before you open your mouth and jump to conclusions. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Poor assumption on my part, sorry. Good luck with your efforts.
| rallycr-v | 12-02-2004 05:47 PM |
You Guys are missing the point ... the reason Nascar is sooo popular is they SPEND CASH to get their product (racing) on TV ... unfourtunatly ... WRC & SCCA do not have the DEEEEEEEP pockets the France's Empire have , I mean come on , how many drivers other than a handfull of WRC & F1 drivers make the salarys the Nascar guys do (god bless them !) They have to be able to show all those spending SPONSORS that ... " hey, we're on tv x hrs a week ......so keep those advertising dollars coming ! " I remember when the FIA rally's were on ESPN2 after they got mainstreamed off ESPN (remember when ESPN was for the non-mainstream sports !)
JMHO .... L J .... Rally On Garth !
JMHO .... L J .... Rally On Garth !
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-02-2004 11:17 PM |
heres an idea.
i have two speed channels on my cable now. playing the same ting at the same time. how about they keep one channel for nascar and have everything else on the other one. since people either love or absolutly hate nascar segregation seems to be the best option.
i have two speed channels on my cable now. playing the same ting at the same time. how about they keep one channel for nascar and have everything else on the other one. since people either love or absolutly hate nascar segregation seems to be the best option.
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