| Tirewarmer | 12-01-2002 01:11 PM |
STX guys - Go ahead and order your 245's
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[url]http://www.scca.org/news/fastrack/03-01.pdf[/url]
The SEB has made the recommendation to the BOD that the rule be changed to 245 for STX. I think its safe to buy tires now Mr. Hoppe and KC.
Joe
The SEB has made the recommendation to the BOD that the rule be changed to 245 for STX. I think its safe to buy tires now Mr. Hoppe and KC.
Joe
| KC | 12-01-2002 03:04 PM |
Beefy!!! :D
| ellisnc | 12-01-2002 03:56 PM |
bye bye ITR :lol:
| paultg | 12-01-2002 04:29 PM |
Maybe I should go into the "rolling fenders" business. :)
Should be interesting to see these rims+tire combos on some Subarus.
I'll stick with my 205/55R16 Azenis and use the smaller size as another excuse I can't win. :D
Paul G.
Should be interesting to see these rims+tire combos on some Subarus.
I'll stick with my 205/55R16 Azenis and use the smaller size as another excuse I can't win. :D
Paul G.
| trhoppe | 12-01-2002 05:28 PM |
245/40/17 KDs for front
225/45/17 KDs for rear
:)
-Tom
225/45/17 KDs for rear
:)
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 12-01-2002 06:37 PM |
What about some 11 pound 15x8 rims?
| Orion | 12-02-2002 08:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]245/40/17 KDs for front
225/45/17 KDs for rear
:)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Glad to see they're nice and cheap! 245/40-17 Hoosiers are cheaper! :eek::lol:
I think I'll either stick with the 225 Azenis or get some 245/40 Ecsta MX's for now and wait until June/July to see if I'm going to Nationals.
[B]245/40/17 KDs for front
225/45/17 KDs for rear
:)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Glad to see they're nice and cheap! 245/40-17 Hoosiers are cheaper! :eek::lol:
I think I'll either stick with the 225 Azenis or get some 245/40 Ecsta MX's for now and wait until June/July to see if I'm going to Nationals.
| KC | 12-02-2002 08:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zoomfactor [/i]
[B]What about some 11 pound 15x8 rims? [/B][/QUOTE]Find a 245 tire in a 15". Closest I could find is a 245/50-15 Dunlop SP8000. A couple years ago, this was a good tire. But now, it's been passed.
The widest 15" performance tire I could find is a 225.
--kC
[B]What about some 11 pound 15x8 rims? [/B][/QUOTE]Find a 245 tire in a 15". Closest I could find is a 245/50-15 Dunlop SP8000. A couple years ago, this was a good tire. But now, it's been passed.
The widest 15" performance tire I could find is a 225.
--kC
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 08:41 AM |
Yup, same thing with 16" wheels. SO3s come in a 235, but they are not going to be a competitive tire.
We will pretty much have to go to 17" wheels to get 245s that will win.
Im still having some issues with the rear tires though. I wonder if the 245/40/17 has any chance in HELL of fitting in the rear of the car. I know the 225/45/17 should fit no problem, but Im a little weary of running the car staggered and worried about the center diff a little. I know of a few people that have stuffed 245/45/17 Kumhos under the car but no one with a 245/40/17.
Anyone here have 225/45/17s with ROTAs that could see how much room there is between the strut and the fender???
-Tom
We will pretty much have to go to 17" wheels to get 245s that will win.
Im still having some issues with the rear tires though. I wonder if the 245/40/17 has any chance in HELL of fitting in the rear of the car. I know the 225/45/17 should fit no problem, but Im a little weary of running the car staggered and worried about the center diff a little. I know of a few people that have stuffed 245/45/17 Kumhos under the car but no one with a 245/40/17.
Anyone here have 225/45/17s with ROTAs that could see how much room there is between the strut and the fender???
-Tom
| ChrisW | 12-02-2002 10:41 AM |
Tom,
Michilin pilot sport come in a 235. Aren't they Porche OEM? A 245/40/17 should fit the rear (sedan) depending on the strut used
Michilin pilot sport come in a 235. Aren't they Porche OEM? A 245/40/17 should fit the rear (sedan) depending on the strut used
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 10:51 AM |
As I was saying "competitive" tire :lol: that means Azenis and KD :lol:
Im using tein coilovers. Car is lowered a bit. Im thinking about just order two tires now. Try them on the rear first. If they don't rub too badly then order two more.
-Tom
Im using tein coilovers. Car is lowered a bit. Im thinking about just order two tires now. Try them on the rear first. If they don't rub too badly then order two more.
-Tom
| dachoe | 12-02-2002 01:19 PM |
[hijack] who's STX #5?? Orion or trhoppe? both of you have #5 STX in your profile thingy... [/hijack]
damn those tires are expensive :eek: i'll stick with RE92's for now.
damn those tires are expensive :eek: i'll stick with RE92's for now.
| zoomfactor | 12-02-2002 01:26 PM |
Tom,
Please post your "rub test"!
I'm considering the Volk CE-28N's in 17x8 with kd's. I just need to sort out the coil-over situation.
Regards,
jd
Please post your "rub test"!
I'm considering the Volk CE-28N's in 17x8 with kd's. I just need to sort out the coil-over situation.
Regards,
jd
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 01:28 PM |
My car rotates at will. Its all in the suspension setup.
[QUOTE]Please post your "rub test"! [/QUOTE] muahahahahahahaha :lol: :devil: mayyyybe
Oh, and Im STX #5, Orion just wants to be :lol: :lol:
-Tom
[QUOTE]Please post your "rub test"! [/QUOTE] muahahahahahahaha :lol: :devil: mayyyybe
Oh, and Im STX #5, Orion just wants to be :lol: :lol:
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 12-02-2002 01:28 PM |
Just a thought...
Since so many people have posted about how the car doesn't want to rotate, will the fatter 245 rubber call for more dramatic suspension geometry - toe out?
Now we're into the voodoo
Since so many people have posted about how the car doesn't want to rotate, will the fatter 245 rubber call for more dramatic suspension geometry - toe out?
Now we're into the voodoo
| Orion | 12-02-2002 01:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]My car rotates at will. Its all in the suspension setup.
muahahahahahahaha :lol: :devil: mayyyybe
Oh, and Im STX #5, Orion just wants to be :lol: :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Whatever, just check the 2002 STX Nationals entry list pal....;)
You snooze, you looze....
OK, so 245 tires are allowed, what wheels are we gonna be putting these bad boys on??? I don't think my 17x7.5's are the optimal rim for a 245/40-17. Heck a 235/40-17 would be a bit much!
[B]My car rotates at will. Its all in the suspension setup.
muahahahahahahaha :lol: :devil: mayyyybe
Oh, and Im STX #5, Orion just wants to be :lol: :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Whatever, just check the 2002 STX Nationals entry list pal....;)
You snooze, you looze....
OK, so 245 tires are allowed, what wheels are we gonna be putting these bad boys on??? I don't think my 17x7.5's are the optimal rim for a 245/40-17. Heck a 235/40-17 would be a bit much!
| KC | 12-02-2002 02:24 PM |
Ok, now we're talking rolling diameter. The 245/40-17 tire has almost the same rolling diameter as a 225/45-17 or a 205/55-16, which will keep the speedo errors low. (The 245/40 is .6mph slower at 60mph... when the speedo reads 60, you're really going 59.4... the 245/45 with the speado reading 60, you're really going 61.7)
A 245/45-17 will have a higher rolling diameter than a stock rolling diameter... which means it's a taller tire than the rest. For sake of auto-x, it may not be the tire size to have, and in our cases, shouln't be thought about. Only the 245/40-17 is the tire. You *don't* want taller gearing at an auto-x. :)
Most 245/40's are recommended to be mounted on an 8" rim minimum. (Tire rack lists these under the tire specs)
--kC
(And #5 at National events comes down to who sends in their payments/registration to national HQ 1st. :D )
A 245/45-17 will have a higher rolling diameter than a stock rolling diameter... which means it's a taller tire than the rest. For sake of auto-x, it may not be the tire size to have, and in our cases, shouln't be thought about. Only the 245/40-17 is the tire. You *don't* want taller gearing at an auto-x. :)
Most 245/40's are recommended to be mounted on an 8" rim minimum. (Tire rack lists these under the tire specs)
--kC
(And #5 at National events comes down to who sends in their payments/registration to national HQ 1st. :D )
| Orion | 12-02-2002 03:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Most 245/40's are recommended to be mounted on an 8" rim minimum. (Tire rack lists these under the tire specs)
--kC
(And #5 at National events comes down to who sends in their payments/registration to national HQ 1st. :D ) [/B][/QUOTE]
Correct, but what 17x8's are readily available and in what offset? 17x7.5 w/ 48 offset is the most commonly found wheel, but I've seen very few 17x8's.
Orion
#5 STX - mine's sent for the 2003 season already.:devil: :lol:
[B]Most 245/40's are recommended to be mounted on an 8" rim minimum. (Tire rack lists these under the tire specs)
--kC
(And #5 at National events comes down to who sends in their payments/registration to national HQ 1st. :D ) [/B][/QUOTE]
Correct, but what 17x8's are readily available and in what offset? 17x7.5 w/ 48 offset is the most commonly found wheel, but I've seen very few 17x8's.
Orion
#5 STX - mine's sent for the 2003 season already.:devil: :lol:
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 03:50 PM |
Orion is a bastard....... :lol:
I will be stuffing my 245/40/17s on 17x7.5" Rota Attacks with a 48mm offset.
-Tom
I will be stuffing my 245/40/17s on 17x7.5" Rota Attacks with a 48mm offset.
-Tom
| Orion | 12-02-2002 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Orion is a bastard....... :lol:
I will be stuffing my 245/40/17s on 17x7.5" Rota Attacks with a 48mm offset.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
how about i'll run #5 and you can run #105 or vice versa?
that's what I was gonna do with the 245/40 MX's since buying a house makes another set of wheels impossible right now.
too bad Falken won't be introducing new Azenis sizes. i'll be calling them soon since they sponsor my team. maybe we can put a little pressure on them.
[B]Orion is a bastard....... :lol:
I will be stuffing my 245/40/17s on 17x7.5" Rota Attacks with a 48mm offset.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
how about i'll run #5 and you can run #105 or vice versa?
that's what I was gonna do with the 245/40 MX's since buying a house makes another set of wheels impossible right now.
too bad Falken won't be introducing new Azenis sizes. i'll be calling them soon since they sponsor my team. maybe we can put a little pressure on them.
| elgorey | 12-02-2002 04:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]Correct, but what 17x8's are readily available and in what offset? 17x7.5 w/ 48 offset is the most commonly found wheel, but I've seen very few 17x8's. [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe Volk makes the TE-37 in 5x100 17x8 ET 45 (also 42 iirc), which IMO should be the ideal wheel for fitting 245s. Plus a baseball bat of course :)
I cant afford a set of $2k wheels but for those of you who can pay to play, go for it!
[B]Correct, but what 17x8's are readily available and in what offset? 17x7.5 w/ 48 offset is the most commonly found wheel, but I've seen very few 17x8's. [/B][/QUOTE]
I believe Volk makes the TE-37 in 5x100 17x8 ET 45 (also 42 iirc), which IMO should be the ideal wheel for fitting 245s. Plus a baseball bat of course :)
I cant afford a set of $2k wheels but for those of you who can pay to play, go for it!
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE]how about i'll run #5 and you can run #105 or vice versa?[/QUOTE] 100 + number is reserved for codrivers. Im just kidding on the whole #5 thing, I will take anything that has a 5 in it. 5,15,25,55 whatever is free :)
For me, the price of the KDs makes it impossible for me to buy wheels as well, so I have to stick with the Rotas.
Check out [url]http://www.robsaudiworld.com/fender.htm[/url]
for fender rolling. He rents a fender rolling machine. $50 plus shipping both ways. It ends up costing about $75, but I would rather do that then try it with a baseball bat. This way seems much safer and better for me. Im on the list and will have this sucker in raleigh around the end of december :)
-Tom
For me, the price of the KDs makes it impossible for me to buy wheels as well, so I have to stick with the Rotas.
Check out [url]http://www.robsaudiworld.com/fender.htm[/url]
for fender rolling. He rents a fender rolling machine. $50 plus shipping both ways. It ends up costing about $75, but I would rather do that then try it with a baseball bat. This way seems much safer and better for me. Im on the list and will have this sucker in raleigh around the end of december :)
-Tom
| Orion | 12-02-2002 04:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] 100 + number is reserved for codrivers. [/B][/QUOTE]
exactly my point!:lol:
[QUOTE][B]
For me, the price of the KDs makes it impossible for me to buy wheels as well, so I have to stick with the Rotas.
Check out [url]http://www.robsaudiworld.com/fender.htm[/url]
for fender rolling. He rents a fender rolling machine. $50 plus shipping both ways. It ends up costing about $75, but I would rather do that then try it with a baseball bat. This way seems much safer and better for me. Im on the list and will have this sucker in raleigh around the end of december :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
lemme know how the roller works out. i'll be running my 225/45 Azenis until they're dead so i've got plenty of time to watch your progress/mistakes!:)
[B] 100 + number is reserved for codrivers. [/B][/QUOTE]
exactly my point!:lol:
[QUOTE][B]
For me, the price of the KDs makes it impossible for me to buy wheels as well, so I have to stick with the Rotas.
Check out [url]http://www.robsaudiworld.com/fender.htm[/url]
for fender rolling. He rents a fender rolling machine. $50 plus shipping both ways. It ends up costing about $75, but I would rather do that then try it with a baseball bat. This way seems much safer and better for me. Im on the list and will have this sucker in raleigh around the end of december :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
lemme know how the roller works out. i'll be running my 225/45 Azenis until they're dead so i've got plenty of time to watch your progress/mistakes!:)
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 05:04 PM |
[QUOTE]exactly my point! [/QUOTE] aaaahhhhhh...... :slaps forehead:
[QUOTE]i've got plenty of time to watch your progress/mistakes![/QUOTE] Like I will actually tell people that I make mistakes, all you will see is the progress!!!!!
Example: "I got 245s to work just fine" instead of "after trying 3 different wheels, 3 different tire rollers, blistering my fenders, then repainting, I finally got the damn pos 245s to barely fit" :lol:
-Tom
[QUOTE]i've got plenty of time to watch your progress/mistakes![/QUOTE] Like I will actually tell people that I make mistakes, all you will see is the progress!!!!!
Example: "I got 245s to work just fine" instead of "after trying 3 different wheels, 3 different tire rollers, blistering my fenders, then repainting, I finally got the damn pos 245s to barely fit" :lol:
-Tom
| ChrisDP | 12-02-2002 05:18 PM |
Tom, after seeing the car we saw and said "ruhroh, rowd ee doo dat?!" with the 245 Kumhos on the car... I'm thinkin a street tire should be narrower section width than a race tire, and those 245/40s will be a slightly shorter tire too, giving you a little extra fender height to play with. I don't see why a 245/40 with rounded shoulders would be more difficult to squish in than a 245/45 with square shoulders.
| KC | 12-02-2002 05:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]Tom, after seeing the car we saw and said "ruhroh, rowd ee doo dat?!" with the 245 Kumhos on the car... I'm thinkin a street tire should be narrower section width than a race tire, and those 245/40s will be a slightly shorter tire too, giving you a little extra fender height to play with. I don't see why a 245/40 with rounded shoulders would be more difficult to squish in than a 245/45 with square shoulders. [/B][/QUOTE]Chris, the 245/40-17 has essentially the same rolling diameter as a 225/45-17. :) Nothing gained, nothing lost.
-kC
[B]Tom, after seeing the car we saw and said "ruhroh, rowd ee doo dat?!" with the 245 Kumhos on the car... I'm thinkin a street tire should be narrower section width than a race tire, and those 245/40s will be a slightly shorter tire too, giving you a little extra fender height to play with. I don't see why a 245/40 with rounded shoulders would be more difficult to squish in than a 245/45 with square shoulders. [/B][/QUOTE]Chris, the 245/40-17 has essentially the same rolling diameter as a 225/45-17. :) Nothing gained, nothing lost.
-kC
| ChrisDP | 12-02-2002 05:32 PM |
I might have misunderstood Tom's post before. I thought he was worried about fitment of the 245/40/17 KDs, after we'd seen a WRX on 245/45/17 Victoracers... oops.
My bad if that is the case!
My bad if that is the case!
| trhoppe | 12-02-2002 06:58 PM |
No No, chris was right. I saw me one of them der WRXs with some 245/45/17 Victoracers with no rubbing.
I thought the 245/40 were a little wider then a 245/45. You know I totally forgot that, that was a RACE tire. They are wider then standard street tires, so chris, youre right, these should fit ok.
The only thing here is that those wheels were 52 offset according to shawn. The Rota's are 48 offset so I still might have to roll me some fender!
-Tom
I thought the 245/40 were a little wider then a 245/45. You know I totally forgot that, that was a RACE tire. They are wider then standard street tires, so chris, youre right, these should fit ok.
The only thing here is that those wheels were 52 offset according to shawn. The Rota's are 48 offset so I still might have to roll me some fender!
-Tom
| ChrisDP | 12-02-2002 07:33 PM |
I've only really seen the BFGs on RW's car, and they seemed to have a fairly rounded shoulder. However, every tire on that car seems to have a rounded shoulder :)
I forgot the rule about tires... ie that the numbers stamped on the side can be highly arbitrary. the 245/40 COULD be substantially wider than a 245/45... not sure how likely it is, but for instance, the 205/50/15 Azenis is as wide as/wider than a 215/40/16 Kumho 712. Has anyone actually put a tape measure on the two tires to compare their actual total width, sidewall included?
BTW, can see your future "for sale" ad now... "replaced rear fenders since original ones were bowed out 2" with a glorified baseball bat..." :D
I forgot the rule about tires... ie that the numbers stamped on the side can be highly arbitrary. the 245/40 COULD be substantially wider than a 245/45... not sure how likely it is, but for instance, the 205/50/15 Azenis is as wide as/wider than a 215/40/16 Kumho 712. Has anyone actually put a tape measure on the two tires to compare their actual total width, sidewall included?
BTW, can see your future "for sale" ad now... "replaced rear fenders since original ones were bowed out 2" with a glorified baseball bat..." :D
| ellisnc | 12-02-2002 07:37 PM |
there is almost no way you could fit 245's on the car with a 52 offset. What are the stock rim offset like 55? with 225 EV700 on stock rims they almost rub my coilovers. You're going to need something with at most a 48 offset to fit the 245's on.
I can't believe you guys aren't all over the Advan RC2 in a 8.5 inch width with 45 offset. The width will maximize tread contact more than a 8 inch rim and it will also create a shorter sidewall. Gruppe-S has these for $405 a piece. Probably more than some of you want to spend, but it's the cheapest option that I know of at the moment. The only other rims you can get in 17x8 are Volk and just about every Volk rim is more money than the Advan.
Look at all the tuner cars from Japan, I dunno if the fenders are rolled or not, but they stuff the biggest rims and tires they can on the car. Bozz and Zerosports are the main ones I can think of and I've seen RC2 with 245's on a couple of their cars.
I run SM, but I'll probably go with RC2's with 245/40 Victoracers
I can't believe you guys aren't all over the Advan RC2 in a 8.5 inch width with 45 offset. The width will maximize tread contact more than a 8 inch rim and it will also create a shorter sidewall. Gruppe-S has these for $405 a piece. Probably more than some of you want to spend, but it's the cheapest option that I know of at the moment. The only other rims you can get in 17x8 are Volk and just about every Volk rim is more money than the Advan.
Look at all the tuner cars from Japan, I dunno if the fenders are rolled or not, but they stuff the biggest rims and tires they can on the car. Bozz and Zerosports are the main ones I can think of and I've seen RC2 with 245's on a couple of their cars.
I run SM, but I'll probably go with RC2's with 245/40 Victoracers
| Orion | 12-02-2002 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ellisnc [/i]
[B]
I can't believe you guys aren't all over the Advan RC2 in a 8.5 inch width with 45 offset. [/B][/QUOTE]
simple reason: max. wheel width for the class is 8"
[B]
I can't believe you guys aren't all over the Advan RC2 in a 8.5 inch width with 45 offset. [/B][/QUOTE]
simple reason: max. wheel width for the class is 8"
| paultg | 12-02-2002 07:57 PM |
[QUOTE]Look at all the tuner cars from Japan, I dunno if the fenders are rolled or not, but they stuff the biggest rims and tires they can on the car. Bozz and Zerosports are the main ones I can think of and I've seen RC2 with 245's on a couple of their cars.[/QUOTE]
The Bozz Speed WRX STI Type-RA seen on Page 94 of the Sept. '02 issue has 17x8.5" Advan RCII with 245/40ZR17 Yoko advan A048's on it. No visible body modifications, and the car is equipped with Cusco 02-R coilovers.
[b]EDIT[/b]-Doh.. Didn't see the post above.
Paul G.
The Bozz Speed WRX STI Type-RA seen on Page 94 of the Sept. '02 issue has 17x8.5" Advan RCII with 245/40ZR17 Yoko advan A048's on it. No visible body modifications, and the car is equipped with Cusco 02-R coilovers.
[b]EDIT[/b]-Doh.. Didn't see the post above.
Paul G.
| ellisnc | 12-02-2002 08:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]
simple reason: max. wheel width for the class is 8" [/B][/QUOTE]
removes foot from mouth... ;)
see you the 20th :D
yeah if 8" is max width Volk is probably your best bet. do you remember the thread a couple months ago where I was lobbying like crazy to get Tire Rack to bring over a wider Type C in a 17" size?
[B]
simple reason: max. wheel width for the class is 8" [/B][/QUOTE]
removes foot from mouth... ;)
see you the 20th :D
yeah if 8" is max width Volk is probably your best bet. do you remember the thread a couple months ago where I was lobbying like crazy to get Tire Rack to bring over a wider Type C in a 17" size?
| Orion | 12-02-2002 10:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ellisnc [/i]
[B]
removes foot from mouth... ;)
see you the 20th :D
yeah if 8" is max width Volk is probably your best bet. do you remember the thread a couple months ago where I was lobbying like crazy to get Tire Rack to bring over a wider Type C in a 17" size? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm too cheap to pay for Volk's or SSR's, we need to get Rota on the ball.
[B]
removes foot from mouth... ;)
see you the 20th :D
yeah if 8" is max width Volk is probably your best bet. do you remember the thread a couple months ago where I was lobbying like crazy to get Tire Rack to bring over a wider Type C in a 17" size? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm too cheap to pay for Volk's or SSR's, we need to get Rota on the ball.
| zoomfactor | 12-03-2002 12:20 AM |
Volk CE 28N @ 17x8 +44 about $450 (ouch:eek: )
Volk TE 37 @17X8 +46
I liked the Volks because they are forged somewhat unique and about 14-16lbs.
The Rotas in a 17x7.5 (do they make an 8"?) are about 17lbs. not much difference.
Do you think that there are enough people to interest a manufacturer to make a "special" suby wheel for a 245 width and custom offset?
Volk TE 37 @17X8 +46
I liked the Volks because they are forged somewhat unique and about 14-16lbs.
The Rotas in a 17x7.5 (do they make an 8"?) are about 17lbs. not much difference.
Do you think that there are enough people to interest a manufacturer to make a "special" suby wheel for a 245 width and custom offset?
| MNbiker | 12-03-2002 12:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]the 245/40 COULD be substantially wider than a 245/45... not sure how likely it is, but for instance, the 205/50/15 Azenis is as wide as/wider than a 215/40/16 Kumho 712. Has anyone actually put a tape measure on the two tires to compare their actual total width, sidewall included?[/B][/QUOTE]
Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant.
[B]the 245/40 COULD be substantially wider than a 245/45... not sure how likely it is, but for instance, the 205/50/15 Azenis is as wide as/wider than a 215/40/16 Kumho 712. Has anyone actually put a tape measure on the two tires to compare their actual total width, sidewall included?[/B][/QUOTE]
Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant.
| Orion | 12-03-2002 09:26 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant. [/B][/QUOTE]
The 225/45-17 Falken's have a section width of 9.1" I haven't seen any tread width numbers on them though.
[B]
Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant. [/B][/QUOTE]
The 225/45-17 Falken's have a section width of 9.1" I haven't seen any tread width numbers on them though.
| trhoppe | 12-03-2002 10:01 AM |
[QUOTE]Volk CE 28N @ 17x8 +44 about $450 (ouch )
Volk TE 37 @17X8 +46
I liked the Volks because they are forged somewhat unique and about 14-16lbs.[/quote]
Well my Rota Attacks weight 15.5lbs for the 17x7.5 and are $400 for the whole set of 4 :lol:
Well the 245 tire will be a little bit thinner on a 7.5 inch wheel then on a 8.5 in wheel, so I should be good to go. I also have 3mm spacers sitting here to make my 48 offset a 45 offset if need be.
The 245s and rotas should be here just in time for xmas so I can do some test fitting them.
-Tom
Volk TE 37 @17X8 +46
I liked the Volks because they are forged somewhat unique and about 14-16lbs.[/quote]
Well my Rota Attacks weight 15.5lbs for the 17x7.5 and are $400 for the whole set of 4 :lol:
Well the 245 tire will be a little bit thinner on a 7.5 inch wheel then on a 8.5 in wheel, so I should be good to go. I also have 3mm spacers sitting here to make my 48 offset a 45 offset if need be.
The 245s and rotas should be here just in time for xmas so I can do some test fitting them.
-Tom
| Orion | 12-03-2002 10:12 AM |
My Subzeros are only slightly heavier at 16-16.5 lbs. I still want to get a set of attacks as a backup. I'm wondering what the weight of the various 245/40's will be the 225/45 Azenis is relatively heavy at over 25 lbs., the 245's are really heavy!
| elgorey | 12-03-2002 10:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I also have 3mm spacers sitting here to make my 48 offset a 45 offset if need be. [/B][/QUOTE]
are spacers legal? From the discussions on the ST mailing list, its pretty obvious that some of these guys will protest for the smallest weenie reasons.
[B]I also have 3mm spacers sitting here to make my 48 offset a 45 offset if need be. [/B][/QUOTE]
are spacers legal? From the discussions on the ST mailing list, its pretty obvious that some of these guys will protest for the smallest weenie reasons.
| trhoppe | 12-03-2002 10:44 AM |
Yup, you are allowed to run any offset wheels in ST classes. That includes running whatever spacers you want.
Yes, at the national level you can and WILL get protested for the littlest stupid thing. The beauty of that is that everyone pretty much knows it so *most* people don't cheat because the chances of them getting caught are pretty good :)
I would have a hard time protesting a Type R or another car like that because I don't know much about them, but if someone in a WRX spanks me, it would take me about 5 mins in inpound to look over their car and determine whether it was legal or not.
-Tom
Yes, at the national level you can and WILL get protested for the littlest stupid thing. The beauty of that is that everyone pretty much knows it so *most* people don't cheat because the chances of them getting caught are pretty good :)
I would have a hard time protesting a Type R or another car like that because I don't know much about them, but if someone in a WRX spanks me, it would take me about 5 mins in inpound to look over their car and determine whether it was legal or not.
-Tom
| elgorey | 12-03-2002 11:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Yup, you are allowed to run any offset wheels in ST classes. That includes running whatever spacers you want. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok. i knew you could run whatever offset, but wasnt sure if that included spacers
[B]Yup, you are allowed to run any offset wheels in ST classes. That includes running whatever spacers you want. [/B][/QUOTE]
ok. i knew you could run whatever offset, but wasnt sure if that included spacers
| ChrisDP | 12-03-2002 01:58 PM |
If a Type R outlaunches you at a Pro... I'd consider looking at it like this guy :eek: or this guy :confused:
| KC | 12-03-2002 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]If a Type R outlaunches you at a Pro... I'd consider looking at it like this guy :eek: or this guy :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]Hahah. :)
Or... "Hmm, maybe 3K isn't the right RPM". :D
[B]If a Type R outlaunches you at a Pro... I'd consider looking at it like this guy :eek: or this guy :confused: [/B][/QUOTE]Hahah. :)
Or... "Hmm, maybe 3K isn't the right RPM". :D
| zoomfactor | 12-03-2002 02:31 PM |
I just sent e-mails to technical information contacts at both BFG and Falkan about their limited 245 sizes inquiring if they have any plans for adding to their line-ups.
I haven't researched any other manufacturers yet. To anyone interested I'll post any replys that I receive.
Cheers
Edit - removed repetitive tire size data. duh :confused: - just saw the previous BFG/Falkan size options above.
I haven't researched any other manufacturers yet. To anyone interested I'll post any replys that I receive.
Cheers
Edit - removed repetitive tire size data. duh :confused: - just saw the previous BFG/Falkan size options above.
| j y | 12-03-2002 03:47 PM |
For comparison, the section width specs for Kumho Ecsta MXs:
Ecsta MX
245/40-17 ... 9.9"
245/45-17 ... 9.7"
225/45-17 ... 8.9"
-Jeff
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ecsta MX
245/40-17 ... 9.9"
245/45-17 ... 9.7"
225/45-17 ... 8.9"
-Jeff
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]Here are spec's from BFG for the KD:
Tire Size Section width Tread width
245/40-17 9.8" 7.9"
245/45-17 9.6" 7.5"
225/45-17 8.9" 6.9"
Check out the extra .4" of tread width you pick up with the 40's.
Note: the 245/45-17 Azenis also has a 9.8" section width
Guess we wagon owners are gonna be at a significant disadvantage running 225's - giving up a full 1" of tread width is pretty significant. [/B][/QUOTE]
| TheWRX | 12-03-2002 09:49 PM |
Here is some data I collected about tires that might be interesting (arbitrarily decided by me ;) ):
[CODE]
Size RimWidth Diameter SectionWidth TreadWidth Weight Price
Azenis 215/45-16 7.0-8.0 23.5 8.5 22.8 $97
Azenis 225/45-17 7.0-8.5 24.9 9.1 25.9 $106
KD 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.8 7.9 $238
KDW 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.7 9.6 7.9 $116
S-03 PP 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.6 9.6 9.1 $162
S-03 PP 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.5 9.7 8.5 $170
S-03 PP 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.8 10.0 9.0 $183
MX 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.8 9.9 $129
Pilot Sport 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.7 9.9 $207
Pilot Sport 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.4 9.4 $178
Pilot Sport 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.6 $198
Avon ZZ1 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.6 9.6 9.05
Avon ZZ1 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.4 9.5 8.74 $110
Avon ZZ1 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.8 8.90 $113
[/CODE]
One interesting point is that the tread width of the S-03 PP is more than 1" larger than the one of the same size KD. :confused:
[CODE]
Size RimWidth Diameter SectionWidth TreadWidth Weight Price
Azenis 215/45-16 7.0-8.0 23.5 8.5 22.8 $97
Azenis 225/45-17 7.0-8.5 24.9 9.1 25.9 $106
KD 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.8 7.9 $238
KDW 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.7 9.6 7.9 $116
S-03 PP 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.6 9.6 9.1 $162
S-03 PP 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.5 9.7 8.5 $170
S-03 PP 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.8 10.0 9.0 $183
MX 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.8 9.9 $129
Pilot Sport 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.7 9.9 $207
Pilot Sport 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.4 9.4 $178
Pilot Sport 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.6 $198
Avon ZZ1 245/45-16 7.5-9.0 24.6 9.6 9.05
Avon ZZ1 235/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.4 9.5 8.74 $110
Avon ZZ1 245/40-17 8.0-9.5 24.7 9.8 8.90 $113
[/CODE]
One interesting point is that the tread width of the S-03 PP is more than 1" larger than the one of the same size KD. :confused:
| dwx | 12-04-2002 02:15 AM |
Heh I used some really really worn out S-03s at a couple of autoxs last year and man those things were grippy.
I called dibs on a set of 16x8 +45 rims that Nino was selling in vendor classifieds. A set of 13.5lb rims in +45 was too good to pass up. My only problem now is will they fit. I _want_ to run 245/45/16 V700s but I run DMS50 coilovers and in the rear my 225/45 S-03s were almost rubbing on the lower spring perches this year. Section width difference is 9.7 on the 245s to 9.0 on the 225s, is this a lost cause at this point? No one makes a 235 tire in 16" size, and putting a 225 on an 8" rim is suboptimal.
My original plan was to just run 235/40/17 on some Rota Attacks, I'm sure I won't have any problem selling the 16x8s to some other autox guy. :)
I called dibs on a set of 16x8 +45 rims that Nino was selling in vendor classifieds. A set of 13.5lb rims in +45 was too good to pass up. My only problem now is will they fit. I _want_ to run 245/45/16 V700s but I run DMS50 coilovers and in the rear my 225/45 S-03s were almost rubbing on the lower spring perches this year. Section width difference is 9.7 on the 245s to 9.0 on the 225s, is this a lost cause at this point? No one makes a 235 tire in 16" size, and putting a 225 on an 8" rim is suboptimal.
My original plan was to just run 235/40/17 on some Rota Attacks, I'm sure I won't have any problem selling the 16x8s to some other autox guy. :)
| trhoppe | 12-04-2002 08:15 AM |
[QUOTE]245/45/16 V700s[/QUOTE] Then youre not running in STX. Have you read the rules?????? :confused:
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 12-04-2002 08:31 AM |
dwx, to back up Tom's statement... V700's are not legal in ST-S/X. Street touring is not a 'DOT' based class, the tires you can run are based off the rather arbitrary treadware rating that manufacturers put on the side of the tire, which is 140 or higher.
--kC
--kC
| dwx | 12-04-2002 09:10 AM |
Oops I forgot to mention I run SM. I figured with the 245 talk someone might have an opinion.
| trhoppe | 12-04-2002 09:23 AM |
[QUOTE] _want_ to run 245/45/16 V700s but I run DMS50 coilovers and in the rear my 225/45 S-03s were almost rubbing on the lower spring perches this year.[/QUOTE] But with what offset wheels? With the 45 offset you shouldnt have too much problems. If anything, just roll the fenders.
-Tom
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 12-04-2002 10:18 AM |
Here is Falkan's Respone to my inquiry about expanded tire line in 245 width.
[QUOTE]Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, we will not be expanding our current offering of six sizes in the AZENIS Sport line. Due to unforeseen production limitations we were not able to bring in additional sizes previously planned.
However, we will be replacing the line in early 2004 and may have additional, wider sizes at that time.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Leslie D. Heine
Advertising/Corporate Communications Coordinator
[email][email�protected][/email] <mailto:[email�protected]>[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Thank you for your inquiry. Unfortunately, we will not be expanding our current offering of six sizes in the AZENIS Sport line. Due to unforeseen production limitations we were not able to bring in additional sizes previously planned.
However, we will be replacing the line in early 2004 and may have additional, wider sizes at that time.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Leslie D. Heine
Advertising/Corporate Communications Coordinator
[email][email�protected][/email] <mailto:[email�protected]>[/QUOTE]
| dwx | 12-04-2002 10:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] But with what offset wheels? With the 45 offset you shouldnt have too much problems. If anything, just roll the fenders.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
SSR Comps which are +50. I don't think the outside is going to be as much of a problem as the inside. Anyways I somehow doubt anyone has run this combo so I'll just order a test 245/45/16 and have it mounted just to check the fitment.
Phil
[B] But with what offset wheels? With the 45 offset you shouldnt have too much problems. If anything, just roll the fenders.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
SSR Comps which are +50. I don't think the outside is going to be as much of a problem as the inside. Anyways I somehow doubt anyone has run this combo so I'll just order a test 245/45/16 and have it mounted just to check the fitment.
Phil
| trhoppe | 12-04-2002 10:27 AM |
Speaking of 245s, check this new pic out. Tell me those rear tires look wider then 225s!!!
[IMG]http://swrt.com/cpimages/248774.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://swrt.com/cpimages/248774.jpg[/IMG]
| AUTOwrXER | 12-10-2002 12:34 PM |
The ideal situation would be for some of the competitive manufacturers to add a 245/40/16 to their lineup. I was just getting the motivation to spring for 16x8s for the 225 sizes when this news broke. I hate that I will have to give up the diameter and the weight to move to 17s. I am eager to hear BFG's response now that Falken has bailed on the expanded sizes. I wouldn't be surprized if Kuhmo and BFG decided to join the party.
Off-topic, but since protests came up earlier I was hoping to get some closure on a couple of things. Has anyone determined if the STi AL control arms are legal for STX? Also, what is the consensus on the Whiteline ALK? I think I heard that the Cusco lower arm bar is legal, but these were a series of regional conversations which may draw some fire at divisionals/nationals.
Thanks in advance for the rules clarification.
Joel
Off-topic, but since protests came up earlier I was hoping to get some closure on a couple of things. Has anyone determined if the STi AL control arms are legal for STX? Also, what is the consensus on the Whiteline ALK? I think I heard that the Cusco lower arm bar is legal, but these were a series of regional conversations which may draw some fire at divisionals/nationals.
Thanks in advance for the rules clarification.
Joel
| KC | 12-10-2002 12:44 PM |
The general consensus is the STi arms and ALK are not legal for STX. There's even a question if the ALK is legal in SM... it does alter the suspension geometry.
--kC
--kC
| AUTOwrXER | 12-10-2002 07:44 PM |
True, but isn't it a valid argument that the ALK is really just a bushing and that it doesn't constitute changing a suspension mounting point? Has this ever been determined in a protest or statement by the ST committee or SEB?
Also, according to the talk on sccaforums.com, different control arms (including adjustable arms) are legal as long as they use the stock locations. Any one else have some input on these issues?
Joel
Also, according to the talk on sccaforums.com, different control arms (including adjustable arms) are legal as long as they use the stock locations. Any one else have some input on these issues?
Joel
| KC | 12-10-2002 08:15 PM |
Can you point to a particular thread?
| trhoppe | 12-10-2002 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE]Also, according to the talk on sccaforums.com, different control arms (including adjustable arms) are legal as long as they use the stock locations. Any one else have some input on these issues?[/QUOTE] Only on cars that do not have mcpherson struts!
Reaaaaaaad
-Tom
Reaaaaaaad
-Tom
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