| Subdued | 02-14-2003 01:05 AM |
I find it surprising that Dussander is the only one to mount up some 245's so far. Does anyone else have any combinations to share? I am very interested in how the 48mm offset may have worked as my Rota's should be here early next week.
| AUTOwrXER | 02-14-2003 11:34 AM |
IMHO...I think many people will have a problem with rubbing on the strut at 48 offset. Maybe on the smaller true street tires, but not on the good cheater STS/X rubber (I.E. Kuhmo MX, BFG, Azenis). The Tein RAs seem to have more clearance here than the other makes and models, but I'm very close to the strut on ET51 18x8 with Toyo T1-s.
| Subdued | 02-14-2003 02:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AUTOwrXER [/i]
[B]IMHO...I think many people will have a problem with rubbing on the strut at 48 offset. Maybe on the smaller true street tires, but not on the good cheater STS/X rubber (I.E. Kuhmo MX, BFG, Azenis). The Tein RAs seem to have more clearance here than the other makes and models, but I'm very close to the strut on ET51 18x8 with Toyo T1-s. [/B][/QUOTE]What size are your Toyo's? Your ET51 will push your tire closer to the strut than a ET48. The 7.5" width of the Rota will also narrow the overall crossection slightly. These two factors together don't add up to a whole lot, but I believe it is that close.
[B]IMHO...I think many people will have a problem with rubbing on the strut at 48 offset. Maybe on the smaller true street tires, but not on the good cheater STS/X rubber (I.E. Kuhmo MX, BFG, Azenis). The Tein RAs seem to have more clearance here than the other makes and models, but I'm very close to the strut on ET51 18x8 with Toyo T1-s. [/B][/QUOTE]What size are your Toyo's? Your ET51 will push your tire closer to the strut than a ET48. The 7.5" width of the Rota will also narrow the overall crossection slightly. These two factors together don't add up to a whole lot, but I believe it is that close.
| AUTOwrXER | 02-14-2003 05:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]What size are your Toyo's? Your ET51 will push your tire closer to the strut than a ET48. The 7.5" width of the Rota will also narrow the overall crossection slightly. These two factors together don't add up to a whole lot, but I believe it is that close. [/B][/QUOTE]
My Toyo's are 245/35/18s. I posted a big thread on them back when I first put them on in October 2001. You are correct that they will sit closer to the strut with a 51 offset compared to a 48, but the point I was trying to make was that the extra width gained from a BFG KD or a Kuhmo MX is more than the 3mm of offset you get back from the wheels. My tires and wheels are very close to the strut now that I have the car lowered on Tein Flex coilovers. Not sure what you would get back with a 7.5" wheel, but it might be enough...
I think Tom is best qualified to answer that question but he's not talking :(
Joel
[B]What size are your Toyo's? Your ET51 will push your tire closer to the strut than a ET48. The 7.5" width of the Rota will also narrow the overall crossection slightly. These two factors together don't add up to a whole lot, but I believe it is that close. [/B][/QUOTE]
My Toyo's are 245/35/18s. I posted a big thread on them back when I first put them on in October 2001. You are correct that they will sit closer to the strut with a 51 offset compared to a 48, but the point I was trying to make was that the extra width gained from a BFG KD or a Kuhmo MX is more than the 3mm of offset you get back from the wheels. My tires and wheels are very close to the strut now that I have the car lowered on Tein Flex coilovers. Not sure what you would get back with a 7.5" wheel, but it might be enough...
I think Tom is best qualified to answer that question but he's not talking :(
Joel
| Subdued | 03-01-2003 06:56 PM |
I hope this poor thread isn't dying with only one person successfully installing and competing on 245's. I test fitted one 245 Kumho MX and it is tight but looks like it will work. The other three should be here late next week.
| rex n effect | 03-01-2003 08:01 PM |
are you mounting them on 7.5" rotas? Are they for the street, or auto-x only?
| Subdued | 03-01-2003 09:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rex n effect [/i]
[B]are you mounting them on 7.5" rotas? Are they for the street, or auto-x only? [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, they are on my Rotas. They are primarily for auto-x, but will see limited street use.
[B]are you mounting them on 7.5" rotas? Are they for the street, or auto-x only? [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, they are on my Rotas. They are primarily for auto-x, but will see limited street use.
| Carbon | 03-02-2003 08:28 PM |
Nooo!!! must keep big tire thread going! Seriously, this is important stuff. In the bay area, the biggest I've seen is 235's on an STX car.
any rubbage? :D
I'm assuming you've got +48 offset Rotas, right?
any rubbage? :D
I'm assuming you've got +48 offset Rotas, right?
| Subdued | 03-02-2003 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Carbon [/i]
[B]Nooo!!! must keep big tire thread going! Seriously, this is important stuff. In the bay area, the biggest I've seen is 235's on an STX car.
any rubbage? :D
I'm assuming you've got +48 offset Rotas, right? [/B][/QUOTE]Correct, ET48 17x7.5 Rota. The exercise was done with one mounted tire and the car stationary, testing camber and preloading suspension in an attempt to discover possible interferences. Will have complete set by end of week just in time to road test and make event on Sunday.
[B]Nooo!!! must keep big tire thread going! Seriously, this is important stuff. In the bay area, the biggest I've seen is 235's on an STX car.
any rubbage? :D
I'm assuming you've got +48 offset Rotas, right? [/B][/QUOTE]Correct, ET48 17x7.5 Rota. The exercise was done with one mounted tire and the car stationary, testing camber and preloading suspension in an attempt to discover possible interferences. Will have complete set by end of week just in time to road test and make event on Sunday.
| ChrisW | 03-02-2003 10:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]Correct, ET48 17x7.5 Rota. The exercise was done with one mounted tire and the car stationary, testing camber and preloading suspension in an attempt to discover possible interferences. Will have complete set by end of week just in time to road test and make event on Sunday. [/B][/QUOTE]
Keep us posted. What kind of strut are you using? 17", 7.5, +48mm rim right?
Those Kumo MX's look pretty good. I may have to get a set to keep up with the rest of the STX compitition.
[B]Correct, ET48 17x7.5 Rota. The exercise was done with one mounted tire and the car stationary, testing camber and preloading suspension in an attempt to discover possible interferences. Will have complete set by end of week just in time to road test and make event on Sunday. [/B][/QUOTE]
Keep us posted. What kind of strut are you using? 17", 7.5, +48mm rim right?
Those Kumo MX's look pretty good. I may have to get a set to keep up with the rest of the STX compitition.
| Subdued | 03-02-2003 11:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]
Keep us posted. What kind of strut are you using? 17", 7.5, +48mm rim right?
Those Kumo MX's look pretty good. I may have to get a set to keep up with the rest of the STX compitition. [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, I am using a standard 17", 7.5, +48mm Rota with DMS 40's. The Kumho MX in 245/40/17 is not as stiff as the 225/45/17 Azenis that were on hand that same day, but I have never got to play with the BFG KD's though.
[B]
Keep us posted. What kind of strut are you using? 17", 7.5, +48mm rim right?
Those Kumo MX's look pretty good. I may have to get a set to keep up with the rest of the STX compitition. [/B][/QUOTE]Yes, I am using a standard 17", 7.5, +48mm Rota with DMS 40's. The Kumho MX in 245/40/17 is not as stiff as the 225/45/17 Azenis that were on hand that same day, but I have never got to play with the BFG KD's though.
| ChrisW | 03-03-2003 01:06 AM |
How big is the gap between the rear strut and the sidewall of the tire?
| Subdued | 03-03-2003 01:45 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]How big is the gap between the rear strut and the sidewall of the tire? [/B][/QUOTE]Rough estimate I would say about 5mm.
[B]How big is the gap between the rear strut and the sidewall of the tire? [/B][/QUOTE]Rough estimate I would say about 5mm.
| Carbon | 03-03-2003 02:55 PM |
sweet, can't wait to hear how you do. My rotas should be coming in RSN...
| tazman976 | 03-03-2003 07:00 PM |
Volk TE37
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The only offset for the TE37's are +38 and +46 in 17x8 do you guys think the +46 will work with 245's? I like the TE37's better than the CE28N and wanted to knwo what people think.
Thanks for any info.
Matt...
Thanks for any info.
Matt...
| ChrisW | 03-03-2003 08:25 PM |
tazman976, yeah, +46 should be fine...
| Subdued | 03-08-2003 12:43 AM |
I mounted the rest of the 245 MX's today and had just enough time to go for a quick test drive. No interference issues were discovered. In two short on ramp tests the tires felt like they had a descent level of grip. I will do another road test tomorrow and then put them through their paces on Sunday. Unfortunately at this time I am the sole entry in STX. I will just have to compare the indexed times. Those tires really fill up the fender wells. It is going to be hard to put the RE92's back on to drive to events that are farther away.
| Carbon | 03-10-2003 04:48 PM |
My rota deal fell through... turns out the wheels weren't really what I was looking for.
However, Enkei has a new set of wheels that are 17x8 +45, for around $1100. They are said to be semiforged (like the SSR Comps) and weigh 16lbs in that size.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323348&highlight=Enkei+race+wheels[/url]
Since +48 is a good, tight offset (from the stock strut) for a 17x7.5, i'm guessing +45 will be a similarly good fit (edit: for a 17x8)? Any opinions on this?
My reasoning is that I don't want to roll fenders to run 235/40's and since I have stock struts, I want it to be close to the strut (and further from the fender).
However, Enkei has a new set of wheels that are 17x8 +45, for around $1100. They are said to be semiforged (like the SSR Comps) and weigh 16lbs in that size.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=323348&highlight=Enkei+race+wheels[/url]
Since +48 is a good, tight offset (from the stock strut) for a 17x7.5, i'm guessing +45 will be a similarly good fit (edit: for a 17x8)? Any opinions on this?
My reasoning is that I don't want to roll fenders to run 235/40's and since I have stock struts, I want it to be close to the strut (and further from the fender).
| Carbon | 03-10-2003 05:25 PM |
I spoke to King at Enkei USA and he confirmed that the wheels are rim rolled (kinda like some BBS wheels), which is between a cast wheel and fully forged one in terms of strength. He also confirmed that the RPM2 is NOT rim rolled, just cast (from [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137234&perpage=50&highlight=Enkei%20forged%20Whalen&pagenumber=1[/url])
So I can get a set of fully forged Volk CE28N's for around $1650, or these rim rolled Enkei's for $1080... it's that same temptation as the "Supersize those fries" phenomenon... but it's just $600 more blah blah :alien: Funny how it started with $500 Rotas, now it's $1080.
So I can get a set of fully forged Volk CE28N's for around $1650, or these rim rolled Enkei's for $1080... it's that same temptation as the "Supersize those fries" phenomenon... but it's just $600 more blah blah :alien: Funny how it started with $500 Rotas, now it's $1080.
| trhoppe | 03-10-2003 05:27 PM |
Why don't you go with the Rota's??? You will really like the $$ that you didnt throw away for some bling wheels!
-Tom
-Tom
| mlambert | 03-10-2003 05:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]tazman976, yeah, +46 should be fine... [/B][/QUOTE]
oz superleggera in 18x8 has a 51mm offset and they dont rub on sedans that are super low. Ive been thinking about these enkeis and the offset first made sense to me because those 17x8.5 advans are 43 and are supposed to fit on wrx sedans. Then I remembered that the oz's were 51 and started thinking (prolly the wrong thing to do)....
[B]tazman976, yeah, +46 should be fine... [/B][/QUOTE]
oz superleggera in 18x8 has a 51mm offset and they dont rub on sedans that are super low. Ive been thinking about these enkeis and the offset first made sense to me because those 17x8.5 advans are 43 and are supposed to fit on wrx sedans. Then I remembered that the oz's were 51 and started thinking (prolly the wrong thing to do)....
| lil'redwagon | 03-11-2003 03:21 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]In two short on ramp tests the tires felt like they had a descent level of grip. I will do another road test tomorrow and then put them through their paces on Sunday. Unfortunately at this time I am the sole entry in STX....[/B][/QUOTE]
well, how'd they feel compared to the falkens in terms of breakaway, overall grip, noise, wear, etc.?
i used up my tires this last weekend at the PRO event (you all should go if you get a chance, it's nice to see a solo2 run professionally for a change. [url]www.precisionracingorg.com[/url]), and there is a local group buy for falkens that i should jump on if i want them again, so i'm eagerly awaiting your impressions after an autoX.
thanks,
james
[B]In two short on ramp tests the tires felt like they had a descent level of grip. I will do another road test tomorrow and then put them through their paces on Sunday. Unfortunately at this time I am the sole entry in STX....[/B][/QUOTE]
well, how'd they feel compared to the falkens in terms of breakaway, overall grip, noise, wear, etc.?
i used up my tires this last weekend at the PRO event (you all should go if you get a chance, it's nice to see a solo2 run professionally for a change. [url]www.precisionracingorg.com[/url]), and there is a local group buy for falkens that i should jump on if i want them again, so i'm eagerly awaiting your impressions after an autoX.
thanks,
james
| Subdued | 03-11-2003 12:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lil'redwagon [/i]
[B]
well, how'd they feel compared to the falkens in terms of breakaway, overall grip, noise, wear, etc.?
i used up my tires this last weekend at the PRO event (you all should go if you get a chance, it's nice to see a solo2 run professionally for a change. [url]www.precisionracingorg.com[/url]), and there is a local group buy for falkens that i should jump on if i want them again, so i'm eagerly awaiting your impressions after an autoX.
thanks,
james [/B][/QUOTE]I am very happy so far with the MX's. Unfortunately the Auto-X was a wet one so I could not get a feel for what they are ultimately capable of. As far as noise on the road I could definitely hear them, but did not find it annoying. Since it was wet they are showing very little wear after only three runs. With the cold wet conditions I was enjoying the Kumhos far more than my aged R-compounds. Hopefully the next event will be a dry one. When playing with the Falkens and Kumhos side by side off the rim the Falkens are obviously more ridged in construction. Has anyone compared the KD's construction to that of the Azenis?
[B]
well, how'd they feel compared to the falkens in terms of breakaway, overall grip, noise, wear, etc.?
i used up my tires this last weekend at the PRO event (you all should go if you get a chance, it's nice to see a solo2 run professionally for a change. [url]www.precisionracingorg.com[/url]), and there is a local group buy for falkens that i should jump on if i want them again, so i'm eagerly awaiting your impressions after an autoX.
thanks,
james [/B][/QUOTE]I am very happy so far with the MX's. Unfortunately the Auto-X was a wet one so I could not get a feel for what they are ultimately capable of. As far as noise on the road I could definitely hear them, but did not find it annoying. Since it was wet they are showing very little wear after only three runs. With the cold wet conditions I was enjoying the Kumhos far more than my aged R-compounds. Hopefully the next event will be a dry one. When playing with the Falkens and Kumhos side by side off the rim the Falkens are obviously more ridged in construction. Has anyone compared the KD's construction to that of the Azenis?
| Carbon | 03-11-2003 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Why don't you go with the Rota's??? You will really like the $$ that you didnt throw away for some bling wheels!
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hehe. They're slightly lighter and 8 inches wide, which will yield a squarer carcass and more contact patch. Plus, if I go 245/40, they're still within the recommended range.... unfortunately, it sounds like from AutoWRXer's thread [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99847[/url]
which I think mlambert was referring to, some higher offset on those without coilovers might give you more room to prevent needing to roll the fenders. Of course, I guess I'd be screwed if I did go back to coilovers, but I guess I could use spacers :confused: which I know are not great.
[B]Why don't you go with the Rota's??? You will really like the $$ that you didnt throw away for some bling wheels!
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hehe. They're slightly lighter and 8 inches wide, which will yield a squarer carcass and more contact patch. Plus, if I go 245/40, they're still within the recommended range.... unfortunately, it sounds like from AutoWRXer's thread [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99847[/url]
which I think mlambert was referring to, some higher offset on those without coilovers might give you more room to prevent needing to roll the fenders. Of course, I guess I'd be screwed if I did go back to coilovers, but I guess I could use spacers :confused: which I know are not great.
| Carbon | 03-11-2003 01:25 PM |
uh, anyways, to clarify and sum up my previous post, a 17x8 +51 might be better for those who don't have coilovers and don't want to roll fenders when running 245/40's. The question is, does a 17x8 +51 wheel exist?
| trhoppe | 03-11-2003 01:31 PM |
a 17x8 et 51 wheel has about a 0% chance of fitting and NOT rubbing the strut.
In fact, a 17x8 48 offset would rub the strut IMHO.
-Tom
In fact, a 17x8 48 offset would rub the strut IMHO.
-Tom
| Carbon | 03-11-2003 01:50 PM |
Look at all these posts! I'm going for Guru! :D
Anyways, Volk makes the GT-N and GT-C in a 17x8 +50 in 5x100. [url]http://www.gruppe-s.com/Volk/volkgtn.htm[/url]
IIRC the GT- series has a forged rim with a cast center (2 piece wheels).
The TE37 and SE37K come in a +46, which is only 1 mm "better" than the Enkei.
Anyways, Volk makes the GT-N and GT-C in a 17x8 +50 in 5x100. [url]http://www.gruppe-s.com/Volk/volkgtn.htm[/url]
IIRC the GT- series has a forged rim with a cast center (2 piece wheels).
The TE37 and SE37K come in a +46, which is only 1 mm "better" than the Enkei.
| Carbon | 03-11-2003 01:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]a 17x8 et 51 wheel has about a 0% chance of fitting and NOT rubbing the strut.
In fact, a 17x8 48 offset would rub the strut IMHO.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom, have you checked out this thread?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99847&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
[B]a 17x8 et 51 wheel has about a 0% chance of fitting and NOT rubbing the strut.
In fact, a 17x8 48 offset would rub the strut IMHO.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Tom, have you checked out this thread?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99847&perpage=50&pagenumber=1[/url]
| trhoppe | 03-11-2003 02:12 PM |
Ahh, I didnt realize that you were on stock struts.
With any coilover, you will rub though.
-Tom
With any coilover, you will rub though.
-Tom
| Carbon | 03-11-2003 03:53 PM |
yup yup, I sold the coilovers
| Subdued | 03-15-2003 11:02 PM |
I am liking those Kumhos.
[IMG]http://www.I-Club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=96470[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.I-Club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=96470[/IMG]
| ChrisW | 03-16-2003 09:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]I am liking those Kumhos.
[IMG]http://www.I-Club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=96470[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey those are my rims!! At least I know the tires will fit the rims...
Can you get a pic of the gap on the rear tire -> strut?
TIA
[B]I am liking those Kumhos.
[IMG]http://www.I-Club.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=96470[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey those are my rims!! At least I know the tires will fit the rims...
Can you get a pic of the gap on the rear tire -> strut?
TIA
| Subdued | 03-16-2003 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]
Hey those are my rims!! At least I know the tires will fit the rims...
Can you get a pic of the gap on the rear tire -> strut?
TIA [/B][/QUOTE]I tried to get one last night, but it didn't turn out. I will see what I can do for you.
[B]
Hey those are my rims!! At least I know the tires will fit the rims...
Can you get a pic of the gap on the rear tire -> strut?
TIA [/B][/QUOTE]I tried to get one last night, but it didn't turn out. I will see what I can do for you.
| Carbon | 03-18-2003 04:09 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]I am liking those Kumhos.
[/B][/QUOTE]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right?
[B]I am liking those Kumhos.
[/B][/QUOTE]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right?
| ellisnc | 03-18-2003 06:15 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Carbon [/i]
[B]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not in the market, but I think the Azenis only come in 245/45-17 which are too tall and will rub all over the place.
[B]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right? [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not in the market, but I think the Azenis only come in 245/45-17 which are too tall and will rub all over the place.
| Subdued | 03-18-2003 08:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Carbon [/i]
[B]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right? [/B][/QUOTE]Yes I am. My decision was primarily based up on the availability of the MX in 245/40R17. I was aware of the MX's less rigid construction, but had read some good reviews of it's grip. I have not had a chance yet to drive them hard on a dry course. One thing I have been curious is how rigid is the BFG KD in overall construction.
[B]
This might be a strange question, but why did you choose Kumho MX's over Azenis Sports? I've heard a few comments on sidewall flexibility on the MX's....
BTW, you're running 245/40R17's right? [/B][/QUOTE]Yes I am. My decision was primarily based up on the availability of the MX in 245/40R17. I was aware of the MX's less rigid construction, but had read some good reviews of it's grip. I have not had a chance yet to drive them hard on a dry course. One thing I have been curious is how rigid is the BFG KD in overall construction.
| Dussander | 03-18-2003 01:29 PM |
BFGs are pretty rigid. They seem as rigid as my Azenis. Some day in the future I'll get some MXs in 245/40-17 so I can compare those as well. They will replace my Azenis as my "real" street tire.
| sleepy-scoobie | 03-19-2003 11:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]BFGs are pretty rigid. They seem as rigid as my Azenis. Some day in the future I'll get some MXs in 245/40-17 so I can compare those as well. They will replace my Azenis as my "real" street tire. [/B][/QUOTE]
I found this kinda interesting:
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bfg/bf_g_force_t_a_kd.jpg[/IMG]
versus
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/kumho/ku_ecsta_mx_a.jpg[/IMG]
versus
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_s03.jpg[/IMG]
Obviously the Kumho isn't side-specific like the KD, and there's a lot to the construction internally that we can't see, but they're alot more similar in tread design than, say, the KD and the Azenis or the Goodyear Supercar.
[B]BFGs are pretty rigid. They seem as rigid as my Azenis. Some day in the future I'll get some MXs in 245/40-17 so I can compare those as well. They will replace my Azenis as my "real" street tire. [/B][/QUOTE]
I found this kinda interesting:
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bfg/bf_g_force_t_a_kd.jpg[/IMG]
versus
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/kumho/ku_ecsta_mx_a.jpg[/IMG]
versus
[IMG]http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_s03.jpg[/IMG]
Obviously the Kumho isn't side-specific like the KD, and there's a lot to the construction internally that we can't see, but they're alot more similar in tread design than, say, the KD and the Azenis or the Goodyear Supercar.
| rex n effect | 03-22-2003 01:52 AM |
Upon closer inspection of my own new 245/40 17 Kumho MX tires, they look as if they will have much more tread in contact with the ground as they wear. 8" wide, 45 offset wheels, and some minor fender rolling, and they fit great. Their sidewalls are noticably soft when just pushing on them, but it's been raining here, and their grip is outstanding so far.
If you are going to stay with stock diameter struts, you should get a wheel with a higher offset. There's about 15mm of space between tire and strut.
If you are going to stay with stock diameter struts, you should get a wheel with a higher offset. There's about 15mm of space between tire and strut.
| Carbon | 03-22-2003 03:55 PM |
Sweet, you actually did it!
What wheels you be using?
How did you end up rolling the fenders? Baseball bat? I'm considering cutting the fenders instead to help prevent moisture from building up in the folded metal. Of course, that will involve some cutting...
What wheels you be using?
How did you end up rolling the fenders? Baseball bat? I'm considering cutting the fenders instead to help prevent moisture from building up in the folded metal. Of course, that will involve some cutting...
| rex n effect | 03-22-2003 04:51 PM |
I used a bat because I was just too anxious to wait to have them professionally done, plus I'm low on loot. I used enkei rpf1 wheels. I wasn't a big fan of their huge lip, but they're growing on me. With the bathroom scale method, me on the scale holding wheel - me on the scale by myself = 15lbs and a fraction. Very light.
| Carbon | 03-22-2003 07:46 PM |
Those are the exact wheels I was gonna get! Best price I could get was $1080 (out the door, i think)...
Yeah, they're rim rolled (semiforged) and light.
I like the phat lip, reminds me of some BMW wheels (not that I'm a bimmer fan... and not that I care how they look :))
You said you got ~ 15mm of clearance to the strut... are you on stockers, or coilovers? I was thinking the money I save on the Enkeis versus the Volk CE28N can almost pay for a set of used Tein HA's.
Yeah, they're rim rolled (semiforged) and light.
I like the phat lip, reminds me of some BMW wheels (not that I'm a bimmer fan... and not that I care how they look :))
You said you got ~ 15mm of clearance to the strut... are you on stockers, or coilovers? I was thinking the money I save on the Enkeis versus the Volk CE28N can almost pay for a set of used Tein HA's.
| rex n effect | 03-22-2003 07:54 PM |
I'm on stock struts (for now) with tein springs, but I got these wheels in this offset so I'll have room in case I upgrade the suspension next year. I got the wheels from evolutions, who were very helpful. I would have gotten them from nino, who had attractive package deals, but I wanted them sooner than nino was getting them, and evolutions got them pretty quick.
| Cosworth | 04-03-2003 06:44 PM |
Not 245's, but close...
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New wheel/tire setup here. I'm not going to be running in STX anymore, but just upgraded my street tire setup anyways. I figured some might be interested in this wheel due to its size.
Wheel is the new Enkei RPF-1 in 17x8" ET45. Weight of wheel alone is 15.5 lbs according to Enkei Japan [url]WWW.[/url] Comes with hubcentric centering rings and aluminum stems. caps are extra. My tire is 235/40/17 SO-3 (not going to experiment with 245 just for street duty).
Here are some pics. My rear camber is set to -1.9 deg. and rear is lowered less than 1" with my GC/Koni setup. I have not mounted all 4 wheels yet so i can't comment on fitment, but i don't expect any problems.
Click pics for larger versions
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[URL=http://68.36.52.182/subaru/My_Wrx/wheels/images/DCP_1086.jpg][IMG]http://68.36.52.182/subaru/My_Wrx/wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1086.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Wheel is the new Enkei RPF-1 in 17x8" ET45. Weight of wheel alone is 15.5 lbs according to Enkei Japan [url]WWW.[/url] Comes with hubcentric centering rings and aluminum stems. caps are extra. My tire is 235/40/17 SO-3 (not going to experiment with 245 just for street duty).
Here are some pics. My rear camber is set to -1.9 deg. and rear is lowered less than 1" with my GC/Koni setup. I have not mounted all 4 wheels yet so i can't comment on fitment, but i don't expect any problems.
Click pics for larger versions
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| Carbon | 04-05-2003 12:29 AM |
Looks sweet! I'm in japan right now and these Enkei RP-F1 is really popular.
| Cosworth | 04-07-2003 01:06 AM |
Wheel update
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Ok, i got the stuff on and checked out. All is clear with respect to not rubbing. Fit is great and grip is as well. Here are some pics of the clearances and such. For reference, i run about -2.0 degrees camber front and rear. Hope this proves useful to someone out there.
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Front tire/strut clearance
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Rear tire/strut clearance
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Misc shots:
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[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1109.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1109.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1112.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1112.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1119.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1119.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1120.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1120.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1105.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1105.jpg[/IMG]
Front tire/strut clearance
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[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1108.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1108.jpg[/IMG]
Rear tire/strut clearance
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Misc shots:
[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1102.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1102.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1101.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1101.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1109.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1109.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1112.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1112.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1119.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1119.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/pages/DCP_1120.htm][IMG]http://68.36.14.13/subaru/My_Wrx/Wheels/thumbnails/DCP_1120.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
| Dussander | 04-22-2003 04:26 PM |
Anyone else run the Kumho MXs in an AutoX yet? I think they suck. Sidewall way too soft. I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. I'm curious to what other people think.
| trhoppe | 04-22-2003 04:35 PM |
I'm going to try to at the next autox here. I have my One Lap tires on the car and need to break them in a little bit before I race them at Watkins Glen.
Hopefully the low slip angles of road racing, will not cause them to roll over on me at the track.
-Tom
Hopefully the low slip angles of road racing, will not cause them to roll over on me at the track.
-Tom
| ChrisW | 04-22-2003 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Anyone else run the Kumho MXs in an AutoX yet? I think they suck. Sidewall way too soft. I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. I'm curious to what other people think. [/B][/QUOTE]
I heard the sidewall was on the soft side, but this sounds excessive.
I was going to try, but I started looking at the 225/45/17 azenis again. It has a 9.1" sectional width to the MX's 9.9" sectional width. The diameters are similar too with a 24.9" diameter for the azenis and a 24.8" for the MX.
Right now I am getting my butt handed to me by a BMW E30 M3, driven by a very good driver (autox'ing since '87) so I don't feel so bad. But I do have these other WRX's nipping at my heels running azenis (215/45/16's). So the question of the day is, is the extra width worth it?
I don't know. If it was I would expect better performance than I have achieved. The tires I have now don't have the same grip levels that the azenis tires do, and that's hurting me in the sweepers.
I am due for a new set of tires soon, and it does not look like the MX will be the next tire for me.
[B]Anyone else run the Kumho MXs in an AutoX yet? I think they suck. Sidewall way too soft. I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. I'm curious to what other people think. [/B][/QUOTE]
I heard the sidewall was on the soft side, but this sounds excessive.
I was going to try, but I started looking at the 225/45/17 azenis again. It has a 9.1" sectional width to the MX's 9.9" sectional width. The diameters are similar too with a 24.9" diameter for the azenis and a 24.8" for the MX.
Right now I am getting my butt handed to me by a BMW E30 M3, driven by a very good driver (autox'ing since '87) so I don't feel so bad. But I do have these other WRX's nipping at my heels running azenis (215/45/16's). So the question of the day is, is the extra width worth it?
I don't know. If it was I would expect better performance than I have achieved. The tires I have now don't have the same grip levels that the azenis tires do, and that's hurting me in the sweepers.
I am due for a new set of tires soon, and it does not look like the MX will be the next tire for me.
| Carbon | 04-22-2003 09:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. [/B][/QUOTE]
You said you were getting some MX's as your real street tires... are these the 245/40 MX's you were talking about?
My real question is: why do you have a bad wheel bearing on your WRX already? :O Do you think it's related to running 245s, the stress of autocrossing, or just bad luck?
[B]I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. [/B][/QUOTE]
You said you were getting some MX's as your real street tires... are these the 245/40 MX's you were talking about?
My real question is: why do you have a bad wheel bearing on your WRX already? :O Do you think it's related to running 245s, the stress of autocrossing, or just bad luck?
| lil'redwagon | 04-23-2003 12:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]
I heard the sidewall was on the soft side, but this sounds excessive.
I was going to try, but I started looking at the 225/45/17 azenis again. It has a 9.1" sectional width to the MX's 9.9" sectional width. The diameters are similar too with a 24.9" diameter for the azenis and a 24.8" for the MX.
Right now I am getting my butt handed to me by a BMW E30 M3, driven by a very good driver (autox'ing since '87) so I don't feel so bad. But I do have these other WRX's nipping at my heels running azenis (215/45/16's). So the question of the day is, is the extra width worth it?
I don't know. If it was I would expect better performance than I have achieved. The tires I have now don't have the same grip levels that the azenis tires do, and that's hurting me in the sweepers.
I am due for a new set of tires soon, and it does not look like the MX will be the next tire for me. [/B][/QUOTE]
chris w:
wait, are you saying that you already have the MX's, and they aren't as sticky as your falkens? or are you saying you were thinking of looking at the MX's in 245's but decided not to?
anyone else with mx's:
thanks for the opinions, keep 'em coming!
[B]
I heard the sidewall was on the soft side, but this sounds excessive.
I was going to try, but I started looking at the 225/45/17 azenis again. It has a 9.1" sectional width to the MX's 9.9" sectional width. The diameters are similar too with a 24.9" diameter for the azenis and a 24.8" for the MX.
Right now I am getting my butt handed to me by a BMW E30 M3, driven by a very good driver (autox'ing since '87) so I don't feel so bad. But I do have these other WRX's nipping at my heels running azenis (215/45/16's). So the question of the day is, is the extra width worth it?
I don't know. If it was I would expect better performance than I have achieved. The tires I have now don't have the same grip levels that the azenis tires do, and that's hurting me in the sweepers.
I am due for a new set of tires soon, and it does not look like the MX will be the next tire for me. [/B][/QUOTE]
chris w:
wait, are you saying that you already have the MX's, and they aren't as sticky as your falkens? or are you saying you were thinking of looking at the MX's in 245's but decided not to?
anyone else with mx's:
thanks for the opinions, keep 'em coming!
| Subdued | 04-23-2003 01:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Anyone else run the Kumho MXs in an AutoX yet? I think they suck. Sidewall way too soft. I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. I'm curious to what other people think. [/B][/QUOTE]I have run my MX's at two dry and one wet event so far. I am running 47lbs up front and have not been rolling them excessively. That is including some beautiful sweepers with mass understeer. I have rolled them over to the triangles, but that is pretty much what I expected. This is with a measly 1.5 deg camber. I was very concerned with the fact that the Kumho's are so much softer in the sidewall than the Falkens, but then I also realized that the Falkens are also stiffer than the Hoosiers. I have not run any other sticky street tire on this car, so I can not make any direct comparisons. If someone is able, I would love to see a side by side comparison of the MX and the Azenis.
[B]Anyone else run the Kumho MXs in an AutoX yet? I think they suck. Sidewall way too soft. I was running 50lbs in the front and still rolling over. Granted, this was with a bad wheel bearing, but still. I'm curious to what other people think. [/B][/QUOTE]I have run my MX's at two dry and one wet event so far. I am running 47lbs up front and have not been rolling them excessively. That is including some beautiful sweepers with mass understeer. I have rolled them over to the triangles, but that is pretty much what I expected. This is with a measly 1.5 deg camber. I was very concerned with the fact that the Kumho's are so much softer in the sidewall than the Falkens, but then I also realized that the Falkens are also stiffer than the Hoosiers. I have not run any other sticky street tire on this car, so I can not make any direct comparisons. If someone is able, I would love to see a side by side comparison of the MX and the Azenis.
| trhoppe | 04-23-2003 07:51 AM |
[QUOTE]then I also realized that the Falkens are also stiffer than the Hoosiers[/QUOTE] bwahahahaha :lol: Are you sure you meant to say it this way :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
| Subdued | 04-23-2003 08:40 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] bwahahahaha :lol: Are you sure you meant to say it this way :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]It was late, other than poor grammar what is your point?
[B] bwahahahaha :lol: Are you sure you meant to say it this way :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]It was late, other than poor grammar what is your point?
| trhoppe | 04-23-2003 08:42 AM |
You said that the Falkens have a stiffer sidewall then the Hoosiers. I was wondering if you meant that or the other way around. The Falkens are about as hard as a soft wet sponge compared to the sidewall of a Hoosier.
-Tom
-Tom
| Subdued | 04-23-2003 08:51 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]You said that the Falkens have a stiffer sidewall then the Hoosiers. I was wondering if you meant that or the other way around. The Falkens are about as hard as a soft wet sponge compared to the sidewall of a Hoosier.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]You really think the Azenis have a soft sidewall? These tires have very stiff sidewalls. They are not nearly as stiff as a BFG R1, but then again neither are the Hoosiers. I expected Hoosiers to be stiffer then they were off the rim.
Since I have your attention, how did your KD and Rota combo fit with the Tein's?
[B]You said that the Falkens have a stiffer sidewall then the Hoosiers. I was wondering if you meant that or the other way around. The Falkens are about as hard as a soft wet sponge compared to the sidewall of a Hoosier.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]You really think the Azenis have a soft sidewall? These tires have very stiff sidewalls. They are not nearly as stiff as a BFG R1, but then again neither are the Hoosiers. I expected Hoosiers to be stiffer then they were off the rim.
Since I have your attention, how did your KD and Rota combo fit with the Tein's?
| trhoppe | 04-23-2003 09:04 AM |
I can actually jump up and down on an unmounted hoosier and not have the tire bend one bit. Try that with an azenis :)
They fit, but oh so close, I can squeeze 2 credit cards between the strut and tire, so about 2mm clearance.
They fit, but oh so close, I can squeeze 2 credit cards between the strut and tire, so about 2mm clearance.
| Subdued | 04-23-2003 09:27 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I can actually jump up and down on an unmounted hoosier and not have the tire bend one bit.[/B][/QUOTE]I must have you confused with some bigger gentleman.:lol:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.:p
How much camber adjustment can you get with the Tein's not including a camber plate?
[B]I can actually jump up and down on an unmounted hoosier and not have the tire bend one bit.[/B][/QUOTE]I must have you confused with some bigger gentleman.:lol:
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.:p
How much camber adjustment can you get with the Tein's not including a camber plate?
| KC | 04-23-2003 09:39 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I can actually jump up and down on an unmounted hoosier and not have the tire bend one bit. Try that with an azenis :)
They fit, but oh so close, I can squeeze 2 credit cards between the strut and tire, so about 2mm clearance. [/B][/QUOTE]Tom... I've sat on my 225/45s with hardly a deflection. :)
--kC
[B]I can actually jump up and down on an unmounted hoosier and not have the tire bend one bit. Try that with an azenis :)
They fit, but oh so close, I can squeeze 2 credit cards between the strut and tire, so about 2mm clearance. [/B][/QUOTE]Tom... I've sat on my 225/45s with hardly a deflection. :)
--kC
| trhoppe | 04-23-2003 09:49 AM |
[QUOTE]How much camber adjustment can you get with the Tein's not including a camber plate?[/QUOTE] Not really any. If you do, you rub :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
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