| greg donovan | 08-26-2006 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE=fastwrx006]What just cause he did well on a BS x-games rally course he can be in the WRC.....
I he ever ends up in the WRC on a real rally course he will probably end up running into a tree or off a steep cliff.[/QUOTE]
he won rim of the world this year and is leading ojibwe right now over some tough competition.
the guy is the real deal.
he had a mob of kids there for his autograph.
I he ever ends up in the WRC on a real rally course he will probably end up running into a tree or off a steep cliff.[/QUOTE]
he won rim of the world this year and is leading ojibwe right now over some tough competition.
the guy is the real deal.
he had a mob of kids there for his autograph.
| XenoWolf | 08-26-2006 01:18 AM |
[QUOTE=V6TurboTA][url]http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/3/f6bde1e1-f71a-47de-8153-982000c269d1.htm[/url]
im a noob wtlw?
cant say he lacks enthusiasm. :D[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what your insinuating, there isn't a sucessful rally driver on Earth who hasn't had a few big incidents (look at McRae!).
im a noob wtlw?
cant say he lacks enthusiasm. :D[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what your insinuating, there isn't a sucessful rally driver on Earth who hasn't had a few big incidents (look at McRae!).
| OBShahn | 08-26-2006 01:22 AM |
[QUOTE=Big C]The thing that suprises me about Travis is how many opps he passes up to gain relevant experience. Two big pieces he is missing is tarmac skill and running on his own recced notes. I know his focus has been on RA, but he has missed many NASA events that offered both tarmac and recce. I'll cite last years Rally TN and IRNY as two events he missed that he shouldn't have if he indeed wants to do everything possible to get himself ready for WRC. Both events were relatively cheap, close to his home, and not that far from his car supplier. I hope it's not a sanctioning body "issue", because that would be really dumb.
-Colin[/QUOTE]
If they wanted to recce they'd go to Canada.....
Better events with more perfected recce schedules.
Also, if they want tarmac experience they are better off going and doing some track days then flying overseas. Track days will teach you how the car behaves and flying overseas will get you meaningful tarmac experience (no real slight again the US attempts but see the speeds that the "home grown" talent puts on those roads, way to close to maximum allowable speeds, it would be like practicing for road atlanta at pocono...).
I fully expect to see Travis recce another WRC event this year....
And maybe a couple of other drivers from the states as well....
-Colin[/QUOTE]
If they wanted to recce they'd go to Canada.....
Better events with more perfected recce schedules.
Also, if they want tarmac experience they are better off going and doing some track days then flying overseas. Track days will teach you how the car behaves and flying overseas will get you meaningful tarmac experience (no real slight again the US attempts but see the speeds that the "home grown" talent puts on those roads, way to close to maximum allowable speeds, it would be like practicing for road atlanta at pocono...).
I fully expect to see Travis recce another WRC event this year....
And maybe a couple of other drivers from the states as well....
| EBWRC#1 | 08-26-2006 02:01 AM |
I got a ride with him at RIM and we talked about it...
| WRX-ECE | 08-26-2006 09:58 AM |
[QUOTE=fastwrx006]What just cause he did well on a BS x-games rally course he can be in the WRC.....
I he ever ends up in the WRC on a real rally course he will probably end up running into a tree or off a steep cliff.[/QUOTE]
Since you have so much experience with the differences in terrain between US and WRC stages, please lend some suggestions on what we need to do to obtain a "real rally course" here in the US for Travis (and the rest of the field too) to run. Obviously this small, mono-terrained country (continent) we live in lacks the geographic diversity needed to run a "real" WRC event...
Travis is getting better, but he still gets beat. There are drivers in the US that can and do beat him. The "BS x-games" is the only marker people have to compare his performance potential to a WRC driver. He won. Was it a true test? Not necessarily, but it was exciting and as good as we could have asked for. It helped Rally in (North) America more then it showed Travis' potential. This is great, because it made sure that his name is in every press release about the x-games there is, and I�m sure that the European teams were watching to see how us Yanks stacked up against Colin, fully expecting him to trounce us. But Travis beat him in a virtually identical car. So good for him and better for all of us that want to (or do) Rally.
Jeremy
I he ever ends up in the WRC on a real rally course he will probably end up running into a tree or off a steep cliff.[/QUOTE]
Since you have so much experience with the differences in terrain between US and WRC stages, please lend some suggestions on what we need to do to obtain a "real rally course" here in the US for Travis (and the rest of the field too) to run. Obviously this small, mono-terrained country (continent) we live in lacks the geographic diversity needed to run a "real" WRC event...
Travis is getting better, but he still gets beat. There are drivers in the US that can and do beat him. The "BS x-games" is the only marker people have to compare his performance potential to a WRC driver. He won. Was it a true test? Not necessarily, but it was exciting and as good as we could have asked for. It helped Rally in (North) America more then it showed Travis' potential. This is great, because it made sure that his name is in every press release about the x-games there is, and I�m sure that the European teams were watching to see how us Yanks stacked up against Colin, fully expecting him to trounce us. But Travis beat him in a virtually identical car. So good for him and better for all of us that want to (or do) Rally.
Jeremy
| ROC pit-bull | 08-26-2006 04:48 PM |
If subaru believes in him eneough, they will help him enter some events across the atlantic, or even in the pacific. It'd be great to have an american over there representing us. Like i said earlier there are others that are better right now. I'd like to see him prove himself with a self made car with out of pocket budget, and with his own buddies doing the maintenance between stages. Then see how he fares that way.
| OBShahn | 08-27-2006 12:33 AM |
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull]If subaru believes in him eneough, they will help him enter some events across the atlantic, or even in the pacific. It'd be great to have an american over there representing us. Like i said earlier there are others that are better right now. I'd like to see him prove himself with a self made car with out of pocket budget, and with his own buddies doing the maintenance between stages. Then see how he fares that way.[/QUOTE]
Why do you want to see Travis running with a shadetree crew?
This is getting not only absurd but to some extent out and out silly.
Travis has backing, backing that is allowing him to run properly, with a meticiously maintained and built car, with a proper service crew and the ability to practice if and when he wants. This is what a lot of teams are striving towards, and I am sorry, but you don't tear people down to level the playing field, especially not in motorsports.
Travis does not currently have the talent, but he has all the ingredients ANYONE from North America will ever be able to have (realistically atleast). He has the raw talent, the lack of fear, the support, the drive, and the commitment. He'd probably get trounced right now, but that doesn't mean he couldn't become good enough.
No matter what anyone says, rally driving is as much about "having it" as it is about seat time. Travis has the determination and the funding to allow him to be as good as he possibly can be and to explore his limits.
Please don't continue to propogate this he is fast/beating everybody because of the budget crap. The easiest escuse for under performance/tooting your own horng in motorsport is $$$.
Travis isn't the most talented, or the fastest, or the most whatever; right now.... But he is young, determined, developing, and has the financial infrastructure to run with this and WE SHOULD SUPPORT that.
Look to Europe, there are plenty of youngish drivers (18-25) getting rides in WRCars that have never really won anything but they have raw talent and an ability to attract $$$. That is what Rallying is right now, that is what Travis is right now....
If you are nieve enough to think that Pat Richard should be considered the great white hope for North American Rallying on the World Scale well.... Beleive that if you like.
I have nothing but support and respect for Mr. Richard but.....
Why do you want to see Travis running with a shadetree crew?
This is getting not only absurd but to some extent out and out silly.
Travis has backing, backing that is allowing him to run properly, with a meticiously maintained and built car, with a proper service crew and the ability to practice if and when he wants. This is what a lot of teams are striving towards, and I am sorry, but you don't tear people down to level the playing field, especially not in motorsports.
Travis does not currently have the talent, but he has all the ingredients ANYONE from North America will ever be able to have (realistically atleast). He has the raw talent, the lack of fear, the support, the drive, and the commitment. He'd probably get trounced right now, but that doesn't mean he couldn't become good enough.
No matter what anyone says, rally driving is as much about "having it" as it is about seat time. Travis has the determination and the funding to allow him to be as good as he possibly can be and to explore his limits.
Please don't continue to propogate this he is fast/beating everybody because of the budget crap. The easiest escuse for under performance/tooting your own horng in motorsport is $$$.
Travis isn't the most talented, or the fastest, or the most whatever; right now.... But he is young, determined, developing, and has the financial infrastructure to run with this and WE SHOULD SUPPORT that.
Look to Europe, there are plenty of youngish drivers (18-25) getting rides in WRCars that have never really won anything but they have raw talent and an ability to attract $$$. That is what Rallying is right now, that is what Travis is right now....
If you are nieve enough to think that Pat Richard should be considered the great white hope for North American Rallying on the World Scale well.... Beleive that if you like.
I have nothing but support and respect for Mr. Richard but.....
| greg donovan | 08-27-2006 01:01 AM |
well it seems that travis really likes the long stages.
everyone else dropped a ton of time on the 22 miler at OFPR today and travis just kept on screaming through the woods.
i think he has the talent to be a top 10 WRC driver once he gets some more experience.
however, as others have said i would rather see rally in the US get big enough to where he could stay here and the WRC drivers came here to race.
that is my pipe dream. i dont want a WRC event in the US i want WRC drivers to come over like Colin did for the X games and i want them to run in US rallies. and i want travis, iorio, ken, matt, tanner, and all the rest to give them a run for theier money.
everyone else dropped a ton of time on the 22 miler at OFPR today and travis just kept on screaming through the woods.
i think he has the talent to be a top 10 WRC driver once he gets some more experience.
however, as others have said i would rather see rally in the US get big enough to where he could stay here and the WRC drivers came here to race.
that is my pipe dream. i dont want a WRC event in the US i want WRC drivers to come over like Colin did for the X games and i want them to run in US rallies. and i want travis, iorio, ken, matt, tanner, and all the rest to give them a run for theier money.
| Chromer | 08-27-2006 12:09 PM |
Can he get there? Maybe.
But consider Loeb's comment at Finland: "I have to drive absolutely perfect to stay with Marcus. I had a little problem at one junction in a stage today and I lost time to him. In the last stage I drove absolutely perfect, with every crest, and I went one second faster than him." (paraphrased)
The only time I've ever seen Travis drive more than two corners was the X-Games superspecial, and well... Based on that he has some way to go yet. McRae was in a different league on that course, and HE can't get a WRC ride. Some track racing experience might not be the worst thing for Travis - Bridgestone school, or something similar.
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.
But consider Loeb's comment at Finland: "I have to drive absolutely perfect to stay with Marcus. I had a little problem at one junction in a stage today and I lost time to him. In the last stage I drove absolutely perfect, with every crest, and I went one second faster than him." (paraphrased)
The only time I've ever seen Travis drive more than two corners was the X-Games superspecial, and well... Based on that he has some way to go yet. McRae was in a different league on that course, and HE can't get a WRC ride. Some track racing experience might not be the worst thing for Travis - Bridgestone school, or something similar.
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.
| greg donovan | 08-27-2006 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Chromer]Can he get there? Maybe.
But consider Loeb's comment at Finland: "I have to drive absolutely perfect to stay with Marcus. I had a little problem at one junction in a stage today and I lost time to him. In the last stage I drove absolutely perfect, with every crest, and I went one second faster than him." (paraphrased)
The only time I've ever seen Travis drive more than two corners was the X-Games superspecial, and well... Based on that he has some way to go yet. [B]McRae was in a different league on that course, and HE can't get a WRC ride[/B]. Some track racing experience might not be the worst thing for Travis - Bridgestone school, or something similar.
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure he (colin) has no ride because he is too expensive and only wanted a ride in a top car or no ride at all not because he isnt good enough.
But consider Loeb's comment at Finland: "I have to drive absolutely perfect to stay with Marcus. I had a little problem at one junction in a stage today and I lost time to him. In the last stage I drove absolutely perfect, with every crest, and I went one second faster than him." (paraphrased)
The only time I've ever seen Travis drive more than two corners was the X-Games superspecial, and well... Based on that he has some way to go yet. [B]McRae was in a different league on that course, and HE can't get a WRC ride[/B]. Some track racing experience might not be the worst thing for Travis - Bridgestone school, or something similar.
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure he (colin) has no ride because he is too expensive and only wanted a ride in a top car or no ride at all not because he isnt good enough.
| OBShahn | 08-28-2006 01:12 AM |
[QUOTE=Chromer;15040349] McRae was in a different league on that course, and HE can't get a WRC ride. Some track racing experience might not be the worst thing for Travis - Bridgestone school, or something similar.
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.[/QUOTE]
Greg beat me to it but....
Colin wants $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money to drive and wants to be either in a top team or in a team with lots of $$$$$$$$$ to test and develop a car to his exact likings...
Hard to do when teams are only signing one driver to a paying contract...
Will he get there and be successful? Depends entirely on him, it seems.[/QUOTE]
Greg beat me to it but....
Colin wants $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money to drive and wants to be either in a top team or in a team with lots of $$$$$$$$$ to test and develop a car to his exact likings...
Hard to do when teams are only signing one driver to a paying contract...
| WRXedUSA | 08-28-2006 01:31 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan;15040476]pretty sure he (colin) has no ride because he is too expensive and only wanted a ride in a top car or no ride at all not because he isnt good enough.[/QUOTE]
He dissed Skoda, then when all the mfgs left, he came crawling back.
He dissed Skoda, then when all the mfgs left, he came crawling back.
| anders8 | 08-28-2006 09:14 AM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15031285]If they wanted to recce they'd go to Canada..... Better events with more perfected recce schedules.[/quote]
"more perfected recce schedules" :huh: What does that even mean? I wasn't aware that the perfect recce schedule existed. And you're suggesting that someone should spend the time to travel 1500 miles to get a better schedule, rather than go, oh, 250 miles? :huh: :huh:
[quote]if they want tarmac experience they are better off ... doing some track days ... Track days will teach you how the car behaves [/QUOTE]
You're right, track days will be perfect to learn the skills needed for tarmac rallies... as soon as they start shoveling gravel onto the turns and planting trees along the edge of the track. :lol: :devil:
Cheers,
Anders
"more perfected recce schedules" :huh: What does that even mean? I wasn't aware that the perfect recce schedule existed. And you're suggesting that someone should spend the time to travel 1500 miles to get a better schedule, rather than go, oh, 250 miles? :huh: :huh:
[quote]if they want tarmac experience they are better off ... doing some track days ... Track days will teach you how the car behaves [/QUOTE]
You're right, track days will be perfect to learn the skills needed for tarmac rallies... as soon as they start shoveling gravel onto the turns and planting trees along the edge of the track. :lol: :devil:
Cheers,
Anders
| OBShahn | 08-28-2006 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=anders8;15042851]"more perfected recce schedules" :huh: What does that even mean? I wasn't aware that the perfect recce schedule existed. And you're suggesting that someone should spend the time to travel 1500 miles to get a better schedule, rather than go, oh, 250 miles? :huh: :huh: [/QUOTE]
Anders, I mean no slight to the US events. But most of the US events with recce lack the ability to do real proper two pass recce whereas many of the canadian events with recce provide two pass recce on a day preceeding the event. Then you get into issues of towing and what not...
But using the word preferred instead of perfected would have more conveyed my intent with that statement.
The eastern canadian events arent' that far from VSC...
[QUOTE=anders8;15042851] You're right, track days will be perfect to learn the skills needed for tarmac rallies... as soon as they start shoveling gravel onto the turns and planting trees along the edge of the track. :lol: :devil:
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Track days are a good way to learn how a car behaves on pavement, won't help you on a tarmac rally, but neither will pitching the car real sideways like you would on gravel or crashing out in the first mile because you weren't used to the surface/car dynamics so...
as for the shoveling gravel onto the track you haven't seen what passes for tracks around here (sbustitute miscelaneous crap and car destroying rocks 3 feet from the surface and you have your trees too)...
Of course maybe you didn't like the dig at RNY regarding stage speeds...
Anders, I mean no slight to the US events. But most of the US events with recce lack the ability to do real proper two pass recce whereas many of the canadian events with recce provide two pass recce on a day preceeding the event. Then you get into issues of towing and what not...
But using the word preferred instead of perfected would have more conveyed my intent with that statement.
The eastern canadian events arent' that far from VSC...
[QUOTE=anders8;15042851] You're right, track days will be perfect to learn the skills needed for tarmac rallies... as soon as they start shoveling gravel onto the turns and planting trees along the edge of the track. :lol: :devil:
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Track days are a good way to learn how a car behaves on pavement, won't help you on a tarmac rally, but neither will pitching the car real sideways like you would on gravel or crashing out in the first mile because you weren't used to the surface/car dynamics so...
as for the shoveling gravel onto the track you haven't seen what passes for tracks around here (sbustitute miscelaneous crap and car destroying rocks 3 feet from the surface and you have your trees too)...
Of course maybe you didn't like the dig at RNY regarding stage speeds...
| sachilles | 08-28-2006 09:53 AM |
Keep in mind that the wrc like any big time racing organization is about marketing, sponsorship and making money.
The united states is an untapped market. Sometimes, you have drivers arrive on the seen for reasons other than talent.
Think IRL. You have had Sara Fisher, and Danica Patrick. Both are decent drivers. Are they worthy of IRL?, ....they are now. However, when they were given their shot....it wasn't because of raw talent....it was marketing appeal. When they came in, they were no better than average....but because they were women, there was that marketing advantage.
So what are the advantages to the WRC for having Pastrana there?
1- A dedicated US audience. Through the x-games and his prior career, Pastrana probably has more people following him and his career, than any previous north american rally prospect...even though his resume isn't nearly as full.
2-An underdog. Everybody loves to cheer for the underdog. Conversely, people would like to see an American get a butt whooping....either way you have people cheering for him or against him...exposure is exposure.
3-He beat McRae at the x games......He would have lost 9 times out of ten....but he capitalized on the one chance he had. The Euros will want to see if it was a fluke.
4-He would likely bring US sponsorship money to any event he was part of.
All this would be for naught, if he doesn't perform half way decent. However, the longer he waits, the more likely he will be forgotten anyway. So he's kind of in a bind.
I think the best case scenario was to have all this x-games stuff happen two years from now....but it didn't, so he has to play the hand he was dealt.
As far as tarmac experience goes, there are several paved hillclimb series in the US. It would take very little effort for him to participate in those, it would be great experience, as those are a lot like a single stage of a rally...including having no run-off room.
The united states is an untapped market. Sometimes, you have drivers arrive on the seen for reasons other than talent.
Think IRL. You have had Sara Fisher, and Danica Patrick. Both are decent drivers. Are they worthy of IRL?, ....they are now. However, when they were given their shot....it wasn't because of raw talent....it was marketing appeal. When they came in, they were no better than average....but because they were women, there was that marketing advantage.
So what are the advantages to the WRC for having Pastrana there?
1- A dedicated US audience. Through the x-games and his prior career, Pastrana probably has more people following him and his career, than any previous north american rally prospect...even though his resume isn't nearly as full.
2-An underdog. Everybody loves to cheer for the underdog. Conversely, people would like to see an American get a butt whooping....either way you have people cheering for him or against him...exposure is exposure.
3-He beat McRae at the x games......He would have lost 9 times out of ten....but he capitalized on the one chance he had. The Euros will want to see if it was a fluke.
4-He would likely bring US sponsorship money to any event he was part of.
All this would be for naught, if he doesn't perform half way decent. However, the longer he waits, the more likely he will be forgotten anyway. So he's kind of in a bind.
I think the best case scenario was to have all this x-games stuff happen two years from now....but it didn't, so he has to play the hand he was dealt.
As far as tarmac experience goes, there are several paved hillclimb series in the US. It would take very little effort for him to participate in those, it would be great experience, as those are a lot like a single stage of a rally...including having no run-off room.
| nhmtns | 08-28-2006 10:07 AM |
One thing that seems to work to Travis Pastrana's advantage (at least in X-Games events) is his geeky, nice boy image and personality. He never really intimidates anyone. Instead of covering himself with tattoos and talking smack like a wanna-be gangsta, he praises his parents and says stuff like, "Gee, I sure hope I win today. That would be neat." Then he goes out and outperforms everyone else. His talent is deceptive because he seems like such a geeky kid.
| anders8 | 08-28-2006 10:17 AM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15043033]whereas many of the canadian events with recce provide two pass recce on a day preceeding the event.[/quote]
Oh, so EXACTLY like the all-tarmac Rally Tennessee coming up next weekend?
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
Off hand, I don't know the complete list of other events which had "non-day-before-recce" this year, there was Maine Forest. But if that's a complete list (I'm betting that I'm forgetting something out in the NW), I'd have to say that the majority of US event that offer recce DO have your preferred schedule. So it would seem that Travis doesn't have to leave the country to get that.
[quote]you haven't seen what passes for tracks around her[/quote]
Sounds like they need to get some hot tar on 'em! :)
Cheers,
Anders
Oh, so EXACTLY like the all-tarmac Rally Tennessee coming up next weekend?
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
Off hand, I don't know the complete list of other events which had "non-day-before-recce" this year, there was Maine Forest. But if that's a complete list (I'm betting that I'm forgetting something out in the NW), I'd have to say that the majority of US event that offer recce DO have your preferred schedule. So it would seem that Travis doesn't have to leave the country to get that.
[quote]you haven't seen what passes for tracks around her[/quote]
Sounds like they need to get some hot tar on 'em! :)
Cheers,
Anders
| bjorn240 | 08-28-2006 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=anders8;15043608]Oh, so EXACTLY like the all-tarmac Rally Tennessee coming up next weekend?
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to stay out of this thread, but maybe I should note that Travis and I did briefly discuss doing Rally Tennessee. However, that weekend is my wedding anniversary, so we struck it off the list. If Travis is missing an opportunity to do tarmac, that's the reason. Blame me.
I won't belabor the issues surrounding RNY this year, but the comments I received about the recce there were not positive (lots of two-way recce traffic), and I think the decision to not attend was well-founded. It was not a sanctioning body issue; both Travis and I have current NASA licenses.
- Christian
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to stay out of this thread, but maybe I should note that Travis and I did briefly discuss doing Rally Tennessee. However, that weekend is my wedding anniversary, so we struck it off the list. If Travis is missing an opportunity to do tarmac, that's the reason. Blame me.
I won't belabor the issues surrounding RNY this year, but the comments I received about the recce there were not positive (lots of two-way recce traffic), and I think the decision to not attend was well-founded. It was not a sanctioning body issue; both Travis and I have current NASA licenses.
- Christian
| anders8 | 08-28-2006 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15044097]I'm trying to stay out of this thread, but maybe I should note that Travis and I did briefly discuss doing Rally Tennessee.[/quote]
Well, that's my whole point: there are events in the US with recce. On the other hand, h*ll, you've probably "briefly discussed" doing the Asia-Pacific rim series too. ;)
[quote]If Travis is missing an opportunity to do tarmac, that's the reason. Blame me.[/quote]
HA! *imagine shaking fist at the sky and yelling CHRISTIAAAAAAAAAAANNN* :lol: :lol:
[quote]I won't belabor the issues surrounding RNY[/quote]
There were plenty of implementation issues there, everyone agrees on that. :( I added it to my list simply as another example of an American event that _did_ have "day-before-recce". RA or NRS, shouldn't Americans (or residents thereof ;) ) still be proud of what we have in America?!?
Cheers,
Anders, living in America
Well, that's my whole point: there are events in the US with recce. On the other hand, h*ll, you've probably "briefly discussed" doing the Asia-Pacific rim series too. ;)
[quote]If Travis is missing an opportunity to do tarmac, that's the reason. Blame me.[/quote]
HA! *imagine shaking fist at the sky and yelling CHRISTIAAAAAAAAAAANNN* :lol: :lol:
[quote]I won't belabor the issues surrounding RNY[/quote]
There were plenty of implementation issues there, everyone agrees on that. :( I added it to my list simply as another example of an American event that _did_ have "day-before-recce". RA or NRS, shouldn't Americans (or residents thereof ;) ) still be proud of what we have in America?!?
Cheers,
Anders, living in America
| greg donovan | 08-28-2006 11:16 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15018502]Travis will be on Letterman on Monday. Just FYI.[/QUOTE]
is this a previously taped interview or live?
i hope he gets to talk about rally more than he did on leno.
is this a previously taped interview or live?
i hope he gets to talk about rally more than he did on leno.
| Yotsuya | 08-28-2006 11:19 AM |
Well, merging with the another thread about Subaru starting a junior team and hiring Galli (who knows of the validity of this; it's the first I've heard), SOA some other sponsors could conceivably rustle up some money to get Travis and Christian a few drives.
| bjorn240 | 08-28-2006 11:25 AM |
Travis is taping on Letterman today at 4:15pm. So, it's not live, but it's today's show.
| greg donovan | 08-28-2006 11:30 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15044499]Travis is taping on Letterman today at 4:15pm. So, it's not live, but it's today's show.[/QUOTE]
hopefully he will get to spend some time talking about rally and not getting shot down by pretty little disney starlets.
his reaction to her never having broken a bone was priceless, "Is that even possible?:eek: "
hopefully he will get to spend some time talking about rally and not getting shot down by pretty little disney starlets.
his reaction to her never having broken a bone was priceless, "Is that even possible?:eek: "
| piits | 08-28-2006 12:42 PM |
ok, let's hear my European opinion :)
WRC is all about big bucks today, and talent has actually very little to do with it. as Marko Martin stated - it's a championship, where rich boys race for fun.
the virtual "first win the PWRC/JWRC title, then get a factory seat" scheme doesn't work. Toshi Arai is getting a one-off drive in Japan, some of PWRC champions from the past years have vanished without a trace. top JWRC driver are still there, and even though Suzuki drivers have a slim chance to get ar drive with the WRC Suzuki team, it's no likely that both (or all 3) of the factory JWRC driver will get any decent seat time in that car.
the only point for Travis to compete in the PWRC is to gain experience, both with ever changing conditions of the World Rally Championship, and writing pace notes as well. but the future of him, and Christian as well (as co-driver myself I say - you guys did hell of a job winning those last two races) relies on the sole marketability of Travis - if Subaru of America will see that it's worth the money, in 3 years time Travis will get a seat in SWRT. I've been reading a lot of Superspecial forums (and even though i have had a lot to say, i haven't registered there yet - always saying to myself - don't crash those american dreams :D), and it seems to me that noone else will come up with enough money to secure a factory, or even a semi-factory seat for Travis and Christian. Of course, unless someone discovers world rallying to be the holy grail of marketing opportunities.
boys with talent sit without a descent drive - Duval, Carlson, Galli. on the other side - Wilson and Aigner are competing in almost every event, but are getting passed by JWRC cars.
so the verdict is - come up with enough money to get him in to the club, and only then we will see if they have what it takes to really win an event, or maybe even the championship.
some two years ago we had plan to compete in Neste Rally Finland ourselves. but the situation changes so rapidly, one must have a lot of luck to become succesful in this field.
p.s. Marko Martin will participate in the last round of Irish tarmac championship some time soon. in a subaru WRC :) let's wish him luck :)
p.p.s. Christian, I sure hope that you will make it. I watched X-Games live and had this strange feeling that your crew has something more than the eye can see. :devil:
WRC is all about big bucks today, and talent has actually very little to do with it. as Marko Martin stated - it's a championship, where rich boys race for fun.
the virtual "first win the PWRC/JWRC title, then get a factory seat" scheme doesn't work. Toshi Arai is getting a one-off drive in Japan, some of PWRC champions from the past years have vanished without a trace. top JWRC driver are still there, and even though Suzuki drivers have a slim chance to get ar drive with the WRC Suzuki team, it's no likely that both (or all 3) of the factory JWRC driver will get any decent seat time in that car.
the only point for Travis to compete in the PWRC is to gain experience, both with ever changing conditions of the World Rally Championship, and writing pace notes as well. but the future of him, and Christian as well (as co-driver myself I say - you guys did hell of a job winning those last two races) relies on the sole marketability of Travis - if Subaru of America will see that it's worth the money, in 3 years time Travis will get a seat in SWRT. I've been reading a lot of Superspecial forums (and even though i have had a lot to say, i haven't registered there yet - always saying to myself - don't crash those american dreams :D), and it seems to me that noone else will come up with enough money to secure a factory, or even a semi-factory seat for Travis and Christian. Of course, unless someone discovers world rallying to be the holy grail of marketing opportunities.
boys with talent sit without a descent drive - Duval, Carlson, Galli. on the other side - Wilson and Aigner are competing in almost every event, but are getting passed by JWRC cars.
so the verdict is - come up with enough money to get him in to the club, and only then we will see if they have what it takes to really win an event, or maybe even the championship.
some two years ago we had plan to compete in Neste Rally Finland ourselves. but the situation changes so rapidly, one must have a lot of luck to become succesful in this field.
p.s. Marko Martin will participate in the last round of Irish tarmac championship some time soon. in a subaru WRC :) let's wish him luck :)
p.p.s. Christian, I sure hope that you will make it. I watched X-Games live and had this strange feeling that your crew has something more than the eye can see. :devil:
| Yotsuya | 08-28-2006 01:51 PM |
Well, as mentioned on another forum, Stobart's a UK company set up with UK money, and if they want to run a UK driver (even one that's new) more power to them if they can get into the WRC. If Subaru can find funding for a B team and SOA/US sponsors can be found maybe they (SOA and sponsors) can buy Travis and Christian a spot on that team. I'd like to see how Pastrana would compare to Wilson.
| bjorn240 | 08-28-2006 02:30 PM |
To run a WR car on a manufacturer B team without having at least a year's worth of pacenotes and having previously driven on at least half of the events on the calendar would be fruitless and an enormous waste of money. Unless you have absolutely bottomless piles of cash to spend (or a family member who builds WR cars), this is not the way to get WRC experience.
Especially when you consider that it will likely take someone 2 years minimum to get really quality notes... As piits says, there are vastly cheaper ways to go make notes and experience the events than trying to do it in a WR car.
Given the costs involved, when you do get the chance to get in a WR car, you want to be able to capitalize on the experience straight away. And the only way to hope to do that is to compete on events with which you are already very familiar, and where the only new variable is the car.
piits - Excellent post and thanks for the kind words!
Especially when you consider that it will likely take someone 2 years minimum to get really quality notes... As piits says, there are vastly cheaper ways to go make notes and experience the events than trying to do it in a WR car.
Given the costs involved, when you do get the chance to get in a WR car, you want to be able to capitalize on the experience straight away. And the only way to hope to do that is to compete on events with which you are already very familiar, and where the only new variable is the car.
piits - Excellent post and thanks for the kind words!
| OBShahn | 08-28-2006 04:05 PM |
[QUOTE=anders8;15043608]Oh, so EXACTLY like the all-tarmac Rally Tennessee coming up next weekend?
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Hrm,
He did rim...
Olympus wasn't an option (I seem to remember it being a schedule conflict, Dew Action Sports tour I believe, could be wrong, might have been something else or I might have confused dates). If it was it is also a hell of a lot further than Quebec from Vermont...
RNY has been discussed.
That leaves Tenessee, which Christian said they considered.
The CARS events with two pass recce are the only events that they haven't done/said to have considered that don't have an obvious date conflcit (but normally are close to RA events and I don't think that VSC has enough guys/cars to risk a problem in a non championship event with less than a week before a championship event).
As I said originally I don't think Travis has the talent as he sits, but he has everything he could need to see if he has what it would take. He is young, fast (still has lots of raw talent to grow into), maturing, and well funded. If he wants it he will more than likely get a chance.
It doesn't mean there aren't other drivers that I think could beat travis today in an indenticle car (but that is going to get harder and harder every event), but he has what it takes to try to take himself to the next level.
What I want to see is one of the former dominant British imports (guys that can finish decently on the right WRC events) and see how the current crop stacks up..
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Hrm,
He did rim...
Olympus wasn't an option (I seem to remember it being a schedule conflict, Dew Action Sports tour I believe, could be wrong, might have been something else or I might have confused dates). If it was it is also a hell of a lot further than Quebec from Vermont...
RNY has been discussed.
That leaves Tenessee, which Christian said they considered.
The CARS events with two pass recce are the only events that they haven't done/said to have considered that don't have an obvious date conflcit (but normally are close to RA events and I don't think that VSC has enough guys/cars to risk a problem in a non championship event with less than a week before a championship event).
As I said originally I don't think Travis has the talent as he sits, but he has everything he could need to see if he has what it would take. He is young, fast (still has lots of raw talent to grow into), maturing, and well funded. If he wants it he will more than likely get a chance.
It doesn't mean there aren't other drivers that I think could beat travis today in an indenticle car (but that is going to get harder and harder every event), but he has what it takes to try to take himself to the next level.
What I want to see is one of the former dominant British imports (guys that can finish decently on the right WRC events) and see how the current crop stacks up..
| piits | 08-28-2006 04:06 PM |
hey, if you will come to europe next season - don't forget to notify, maybe we can work out some interesting things :)
| clbd39 | 08-28-2006 04:21 PM |
Well to reply to the OP's first message, i've thought about that a lot too, i saw pastrana and Christian in a race last season in February and omg they were flying! well until the uhhh back of the car was facing a different direction the the rest of the car :p lol, but anyways i am 100% behind pastrana and edstrom and for the first couple years of rallying i think they've got a huge head start, a lot of devotion and i can't wait to see them come through again this coming winter, i am so excited to see the rally again and yea... woot!
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| bjorn240 | 08-28-2006 04:51 PM |
[QUOTE=OBShahn;15048331]The CARS events with two pass recce are the only events that they haven't done/said to have considered that don't have an obvious date conflcit (but normally are close to RA events and I don't think that VSC has enough guys/cars to risk a problem in a non championship event with less than a week before a championship event).
[/QUOTE]
Regarding Canada, we've looked at going to Baie (shop too busy with car re-prep after STPR and for X Games), Draveurs (I couldn't take another day off work the week after X Games), and Defi Ste. Agathe (Travis has a conflict).
Travis and I have talked about Tall Pines and Black River Stages, too, but we've not even begun to look at the time, money, or availability of cars yet, so it's just "road section chatter" at this point.
Honestly, the limiting factors in our running more events has been (primarily) my work schedule, and Travis's other time commitments. We will be trying to get some more free time in 2007 in order to get some more practice in, but like everyone else, we do have other commitments we have to attend to as well.
- Christian
[/QUOTE]
Regarding Canada, we've looked at going to Baie (shop too busy with car re-prep after STPR and for X Games), Draveurs (I couldn't take another day off work the week after X Games), and Defi Ste. Agathe (Travis has a conflict).
Travis and I have talked about Tall Pines and Black River Stages, too, but we've not even begun to look at the time, money, or availability of cars yet, so it's just "road section chatter" at this point.
Honestly, the limiting factors in our running more events has been (primarily) my work schedule, and Travis's other time commitments. We will be trying to get some more free time in 2007 in order to get some more practice in, but like everyone else, we do have other commitments we have to attend to as well.
- Christian
| Easy Rider | 08-28-2006 05:45 PM |
Christian
You could also come out west and do Pacific Forest in B.C.
I have talked to Ken about it -
Full "day in advance" recce.
National TV (in Canada).
In town service.
Night stages.
Super special is through the streets of downtown. (REALLY COOL)
Real beer.
A long haul for the VTCar guys - and close to LSPR - but a Great event.
Check it out.
[url]http://www.pacificforestrally.com/home.html[/url]
You could also come out west and do Pacific Forest in B.C.
I have talked to Ken about it -
Full "day in advance" recce.
National TV (in Canada).
In town service.
Night stages.
Super special is through the streets of downtown. (REALLY COOL)
Real beer.
A long haul for the VTCar guys - and close to LSPR - but a Great event.
Check it out.
[url]http://www.pacificforestrally.com/home.html[/url]
| the_colombian | 08-28-2006 10:48 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;15007723]Nope.[/QUOTE]
im with ya.
im with ya.
| greg donovan | 08-29-2006 12:15 AM |
one reason he may not be ready.
when he crashes he takes the blame for crashing rather than some whiny sounding excuse. some of those guys are pretty quick to blame anything but themselves.
when he crashes he takes the blame for crashing rather than some whiny sounding excuse. some of those guys are pretty quick to blame anything but themselves.
| greg donovan | 08-29-2006 01:03 AM |
apparently travis broke many of pat and stig's stage times this past year at OFPR.
very cool.
very cool.
| Morison | 08-29-2006 01:09 PM |
[QUOTE=anders8;15043608]Oh, so EXACTLY like the all-tarmac Rally Tennessee coming up next weekend?
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
[/QUOTE]
Olympus was single pass on Pat Richard notes, Rim was single pass caravan.
And EXACTLY like RNY earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Olympus Rally earlier this year?
And EXACTLY like Rim of the World earlier this year?
[/QUOTE]
Olympus was single pass on Pat Richard notes, Rim was single pass caravan.
| rallynutdon | 08-29-2006 01:15 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15049181]Travis and I have talked about Tall Pines and Black River Stages, too, but we've not even begun to look at the time, money, or availability of cars yet, so it's just "road section chatter" at this point.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Come out to Black River? Yes! It's close for both of you and VSC, doesn't require several days of committment, mix it up with with us club guys (there probably will be some good competition there). Do it for the fun of it.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
Come out to Black River? Yes! It's close for both of you and VSC, doesn't require several days of committment, mix it up with with us club guys (there probably will be some good competition there). Do it for the fun of it.
| RB5 Clone | 08-29-2006 02:40 PM |
[QUOTE=rallynutdon;15059974]Come out to Black River? Yes! It's close for both of you and VSC, doesn't require several days of committment, mix it up with with us club guys [/QUOTE]
hijack warning
don, does this quote mean you have a car ready to race?! if so, cool!
Dave G
...and now, back on topic....
don't think we have to worry much about pastrana/edstrom...they have a pretty good sense of where they want to go in rally, and what it'll take to get there.
DG
hijack warning
don, does this quote mean you have a car ready to race?! if so, cool!
Dave G
...and now, back on topic....
don't think we have to worry much about pastrana/edstrom...they have a pretty good sense of where they want to go in rally, and what it'll take to get there.
DG
| rallynutdon | 08-29-2006 09:40 PM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;15061330]hijack warning
don, does this quote mean you have a car ready to race?! if so, cool!
Dave G
DG[/QUOTE]
Nope. I knew that unless I divorced my wife and family it wasn't going to happen in time for Black River. So I'm taking my time building this one. But I'll definitely be there working. My target (which should be no problem) is Sand Blast next year.
don, does this quote mean you have a car ready to race?! if so, cool!
Dave G
DG[/QUOTE]
Nope. I knew that unless I divorced my wife and family it wasn't going to happen in time for Black River. So I'm taking my time building this one. But I'll definitely be there working. My target (which should be no problem) is Sand Blast next year.
| bjorn240 | 08-30-2006 10:40 AM |
Don,
We won't be doing Black River Stages as it conflicts with the Jeremy McGrath Invitational Motocross race.
We're still figuring out the budget for Tall Pines. Perhaps we can start a new thread - "Does Travis have what it takes to run at Tall Pines?" ;)
- Christian
We won't be doing Black River Stages as it conflicts with the Jeremy McGrath Invitational Motocross race.
We're still figuring out the budget for Tall Pines. Perhaps we can start a new thread - "Does Travis have what it takes to run at Tall Pines?" ;)
- Christian
| RB5 Clone | 08-30-2006 11:07 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15071940]
We're still figuring out the budget for Tall Pines.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
careful what you wish for. there is one notorious stage at TP on Old Hastings Road that has 24 jumps in 19 km I think. Some of the landings are between piles of logs. There's one really tricky jump with a rock on the outside that claimed 9 top cars a couple years ago. We hit the rock and tore off a front wheel--light damage compared to Sprongls, Pat, Labrie, Penasack et al. I was running back up the road with a triangle and picked up a Scooby grille laying in the road...only it wasn't from our car.
TP is one Wild N Crazy Ride!
Dave G
Tall PInes: "Winter Roads, Summer Ditches"
Tall Pines: aka "Rally of the Many Tires"
We're still figuring out the budget for Tall Pines.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
careful what you wish for. there is one notorious stage at TP on Old Hastings Road that has 24 jumps in 19 km I think. Some of the landings are between piles of logs. There's one really tricky jump with a rock on the outside that claimed 9 top cars a couple years ago. We hit the rock and tore off a front wheel--light damage compared to Sprongls, Pat, Labrie, Penasack et al. I was running back up the road with a triangle and picked up a Scooby grille laying in the road...only it wasn't from our car.
TP is one Wild N Crazy Ride!
Dave G
Tall PInes: "Winter Roads, Summer Ditches"
Tall Pines: aka "Rally of the Many Tires"
| Morison | 08-30-2006 11:19 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15071940]We're still figuring out the budget for Tall Pines. Perhaps we can start a new thread - "Does Travis have what it takes to run at Tall Pines?" ;) - Christian[/QUOTE]
I trust that you are aware that Tall Pines is one of two Canadian Championship events that does not allow two pass recce, adn instead offers 3rd party organiser notes (non jemba) and last year allowed single pass recce. The organisers have been adamant about two pass recce not being 'possible' for Tall Pines. Last year's notes were done by McGeer/Williams and were presented in a new 'hybrid' route book. With Mark running with antoine a fair bit this year I'd suggest that he may not be involved with the noting this year.
I trust that you are aware that Tall Pines is one of two Canadian Championship events that does not allow two pass recce, adn instead offers 3rd party organiser notes (non jemba) and last year allowed single pass recce. The organisers have been adamant about two pass recce not being 'possible' for Tall Pines. Last year's notes were done by McGeer/Williams and were presented in a new 'hybrid' route book. With Mark running with antoine a fair bit this year I'd suggest that he may not be involved with the noting this year.
| bjorn240 | 08-30-2006 11:35 AM |
Yeah, we know. But with budgetary concerns being paramount, the proximity to Vermont is very appealing. As long as they allow single-pass at minimum, we'd be interested.
And yeah, the hybrid routebook thing did scare me. Any idea if they're planning on continuing that?
And yeah, the hybrid routebook thing did scare me. Any idea if they're planning on continuing that?
| bjorn240 | 08-30-2006 11:37 AM |
[QUOTE=RB5 Clone;15072326]There's one really tricky jump with a rock on the outside that claimed 9 top cars a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, one of them was Block/Edstrom. We were running top ten overall at that point. Ken's first ever rally. I was pretty annoyed.
- Christian
Yeah, one of them was Block/Edstrom. We were running top ten overall at that point. Ken's first ever rally. I was pretty annoyed.
- Christian
| 06BlackSTIwith550WHP | 08-30-2006 11:45 AM |
He sure does!!! He started off as a car racer and was amazing good. He still does race a lot, he ran one of the DC shoe STI's with the camo paint in the gumball 3000
| greg donovan | 08-30-2006 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=06BlackSTIwith550WHP;15073010]He sure does!!! He started off as a car racer and was amazing good. He still does race a lot, he ran one of the DC shoe STI's with the camo paint in the gumball 3000[/QUOTE]
wha??
wha??
| clbd39 | 08-30-2006 12:29 PM |
Christian (which is my name too woot!) as long as you guys continue to race Rally America I'm happy... well as long as you come back to Salem, Missouri too :)
nice new website link too btw!
nice new website link too btw!
| Butt Dyno | 08-30-2006 12:32 PM |
[QUOTE=06BlackSTIwith550WHP;15073010]He sure does!!! He started off as a car racer and was amazing good. He still does race a lot, he ran one of the DC shoe STI's with the camo paint in the gumball 3000[/QUOTE]
If you can drive the Gumball, you're definitely ready for the WRC! :lol:
If you can drive the Gumball, you're definitely ready for the WRC! :lol:
| bjorn240 | 08-30-2006 01:01 PM |
Travis has never done the Gumball 3000 (at least as far as I know, and I would know).
| steve | 08-30-2006 01:03 PM |
[QUOTE=06BlackSTIwith550WHP;15073010]He sure does!!! He started off as a car racer and was amazing good. He still does race a lot, he ran one of the DC shoe STI's with the camo paint in the gumball 3000[/QUOTE]
No he didn't.
Those cars were run by Block, Way, and Dyrdek.
I like Pastrana and think he's a hell of a spokesman for Subaru and Rally in general, but he has a way to go before doing well in the WRC. Still, I bet if he was thrown into the fire, he'd probably learn very fast how to compete.
A true competitor isn't taught to compete, they're born to compete. Pastrana is a true competitor.
No he didn't.
Those cars were run by Block, Way, and Dyrdek.
I like Pastrana and think he's a hell of a spokesman for Subaru and Rally in general, but he has a way to go before doing well in the WRC. Still, I bet if he was thrown into the fire, he'd probably learn very fast how to compete.
A true competitor isn't taught to compete, they're born to compete. Pastrana is a true competitor.
| Morison | 08-30-2006 01:37 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15072799]And yeah, the hybrid routebook thing did scare me. Any idea if they're planning on continuing that?[/QUOTE]
That's Mark's baby, so I have no idea. (No ideal how protective mark is of his IP if he is unable to prepare the notes)
That's Mark's baby, so I have no idea. (No ideal how protective mark is of his IP if he is unable to prepare the notes)
| Doug Woods | 08-30-2006 01:38 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15072799]Yeah, we know. But with budgetary concerns being paramount, the proximity to Vermont is very appealing. As long as they allow single-pass at minimum, we'd be interested.
And yeah, the hybrid routebook thing did scare me. Any idea if they're planning on continuing that?[/QUOTE]
Christian:
I believe that Tall Pines will run the same format as last year. One notes familiarization pass.
From what I saw and heard (as a Steward), the integrated notes/route book worked quite well. It is in some ways much simpler since you only have to deal with one book instead of two separate books (route and notes).
Doug Woods
And yeah, the hybrid routebook thing did scare me. Any idea if they're planning on continuing that?[/QUOTE]
Christian:
I believe that Tall Pines will run the same format as last year. One notes familiarization pass.
From what I saw and heard (as a Steward), the integrated notes/route book worked quite well. It is in some ways much simpler since you only have to deal with one book instead of two separate books (route and notes).
Doug Woods
| Doug Woods | 08-30-2006 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Morison;15072518]Last year's notes were done by McGeer/Williams and were presented in a new 'hybrid' route book. With Mark running with antoine a fair bit this year I'd suggest that he may not be involved with the noting this year.[/QUOTE]
Keith:
Mark told me that he and Tom will be preparing the notes again this year for Tall Pines.
Doug Woods
Keith:
Mark told me that he and Tom will be preparing the notes again this year for Tall Pines.
Doug Woods
| Morison | 08-30-2006 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Doug Woods;15074886]Keith:
Mark told me that he and Tom will be preparing the notes again this year for Tall Pines.
Doug Woods[/QUOTE]
I'll take direct information over speculation any day ... thanks Doug!
Mark told me that he and Tom will be preparing the notes again this year for Tall Pines.
Doug Woods[/QUOTE]
I'll take direct information over speculation any day ... thanks Doug!
| runnah | 10-23-2006 11:54 AM |
[url]http://www.wrc.com/page/Home[/url]
Looks like I may be right, him showing up on the WRC site it a good sign.
I don't think they've soon any other RA winner on there.
Anyone want to take bets? ;)
And congrats for winning the RA championship!
Looks like I may be right, him showing up on the WRC site it a good sign.
I don't think they've soon any other RA winner on there.
Anyone want to take bets? ;)
And congrats for winning the RA championship!
| piits | 10-23-2006 01:23 PM |
Christian, I know this season ain't over and the next one sure is unclear, but is there a chance you're coming over to this side of the pond next season?
PWRC should be interesting next year, as four S2000 manufacturers are activly developing their cars, and that means we could see those cars challenging PWRC regular Subarus and Mitsubishis next season in some of the events.
congratulations on winning the title.
PWRC should be interesting next year, as four S2000 manufacturers are activly developing their cars, and that means we could see those cars challenging PWRC regular Subarus and Mitsubishis next season in some of the events.
congratulations on winning the title.
| bjorn240 | 10-23-2006 02:03 PM |
Piits,
Thanks! It's been a real pleasure working with Travis and the whole team. As to your other question, I don't expect any announcements about our plans for next year until the first or second week of December. In other words, I'll know about the same time you do! :)
- Christian
Thanks! It's been a real pleasure working with Travis and the whole team. As to your other question, I don't expect any announcements about our plans for next year until the first or second week of December. In other words, I'll know about the same time you do! :)
- Christian
| piits | 10-23-2006 04:10 PM |
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on the press releases :) I hope you can secure a descent budget for the next season, either for Rally America, or PWRC, or maybe both.
Anybody knows what happened to M. Johnstons efforts to participate in the Fiesta Sporting Trophy? I thought we would see an American driver over here already this season. Especially as NORF is a part of the trophy and it's only some 600km from where I am :D
- Peter
Anybody knows what happened to M. Johnstons efforts to participate in the Fiesta Sporting Trophy? I thought we would see an American driver over here already this season. Especially as NORF is a part of the trophy and it's only some 600km from where I am :D
- Peter
| nKoan | 10-23-2006 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE=runnah;15712406][url]http://www.wrc.com/page/Home[/url]
Looks like I may be right, him showing up on the WRC site it a good sign.
I don't think they've soon any other RA winner on there.
Anyone want to take bets? ;)
And congrats for winning the RA championship![/QUOTE]
Actually, they have shown RA (nee SCCA ProRally) winners on the wrc.com homepage before. Maybe not last year's winner, but they have definitely reported on ProRally and RA events/winners/tradgeys in the past.
Not to take anything away from Travis, of course. It's obviously a very noteworth achievement and he should be commended on all the motorsports sites for him and Christian's achievements this year. Congrats guys!
Looks like I may be right, him showing up on the WRC site it a good sign.
I don't think they've soon any other RA winner on there.
Anyone want to take bets? ;)
And congrats for winning the RA championship![/QUOTE]
Actually, they have shown RA (nee SCCA ProRally) winners on the wrc.com homepage before. Maybe not last year's winner, but they have definitely reported on ProRally and RA events/winners/tradgeys in the past.
Not to take anything away from Travis, of course. It's obviously a very noteworth achievement and he should be commended on all the motorsports sites for him and Christian's achievements this year. Congrats guys!
| rallymaniac | 10-24-2006 02:37 PM |
I don't think he's good enough go win anything in Europe yet. In fact, there is a lot faster drivers in the Rally America now but it's the ridiculous rules that don't allow your own pace notes that are holding the drivers back. No one is going to go flat out without proper pace notes. I don't know why they can't allow it here? :huh:
Pastrana needs to practice some more rallies with better guys, not people that treat rally as a hobby.
Every european driver that comes here, spanks everyone left and right.
Pastrana needs to practice some more rallies with better guys, not people that treat rally as a hobby.
Every european driver that comes here, spanks everyone left and right.
| piits | 10-24-2006 03:05 PM |
well, Doug Shepard has entered Wales Rally GB in group N. a real chance to compare the speed :)
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