| Vampyr | 06-05-2006 04:48 PM |
We need more women in racing
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I am a big fan of some of my favorite drivers:
Julie Stepan
Jamie Thomas
Danica Patrick
Katherine Legge
But other than Danica Patrick, you just don't see or read enough publicity about women in racing. I wish I could afford to start my own motorsports channel and devote a show to women in racing to help the effort to 'recruit' potential female drivers out there.
I really wish we'd see more women in racing.
Is there really still a gender barrier in auto racing?
It seems that some of the potential problems (I see) with women in racing is:
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)
Are certain leagues easier for women to enter than others? (Indy has had a few females drivers, NASCAR none)
Julie Stepan
Jamie Thomas
Danica Patrick
Katherine Legge
But other than Danica Patrick, you just don't see or read enough publicity about women in racing. I wish I could afford to start my own motorsports channel and devote a show to women in racing to help the effort to 'recruit' potential female drivers out there.
I really wish we'd see more women in racing.
Is there really still a gender barrier in auto racing?
It seems that some of the potential problems (I see) with women in racing is:
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)
Are certain leagues easier for women to enter than others? (Indy has had a few females drivers, NASCAR none)
| Howl | 06-05-2006 05:02 PM |
You forgot Jutta Kleinschmit (for one).
[url]http://www.jutta-kleinschmidt.de/e/index.phtml?auswahl=home[/url]
[url]http://www.jutta-kleinschmidt.de/e/index.phtml?auswahl=home[/url]
| GarySheehan | 06-05-2006 05:04 PM |
I don't think there is a gender barrier in racing. Racing is tough to get into. So, when you look at the sheer number of men that are into cars and racing vs. the number of women interested, it's not surprising there are so few women in the racing public eye.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Imprezivblue | 06-05-2006 05:11 PM |
[img]http://www.formulabmwusa.com/content/img/drivers/Simona%20De%20Silvestro.jpg[/img]
Simona De Silvestro races in Formula BMW USA. She placed 2nd in the field when I was at Lime Rock a few weeks back and was really going for it! I wouldn't be surprised to see her up and coming in IRL.
Simona De Silvestro races in Formula BMW USA. She placed 2nd in the field when I was at Lime Rock a few weeks back and was really going for it! I wouldn't be surprised to see her up and coming in IRL.
| [email�protected] | 06-05-2006 05:23 PM |
you also forgot Angelle Savoie 3 time NHRA Prostock Bikes champion
| GarySheehan | 06-05-2006 05:31 PM |
...and Milka Duno in Rolex Daytona Prototypes. [url]http://www.milkaduno.com/[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| sachilles | 06-05-2006 05:35 PM |
I don't think racing is at fault....I think its the society that they are brought up in. In general, I don't think women are encouraged to race, or get into motorsports....that is slowely changing.
In my area, all the women in my club, seem to have come to racing as a result of their spouse who is already involved with the club. We encourage anyone to join in on the fun, and they usually give in.
Sadly, I've only encountered one female that found our club, and sought it out to learn how to "race" on her own.
10 years from now, this will not be the case in my opinion....the internet generation is tearing down most of the gender barriers. If you look at kart racing now, I'm sure you'll see that there are far more girls involved than ever before.
and in my reversed stereotype....it seems that all the women I've seen autocross....tend to be far more smooth....being more concerned about line than the men.....men show up for their first autocross, and think if they weren't successful it was because their car needs more power.
In my area, all the women in my club, seem to have come to racing as a result of their spouse who is already involved with the club. We encourage anyone to join in on the fun, and they usually give in.
Sadly, I've only encountered one female that found our club, and sought it out to learn how to "race" on her own.
10 years from now, this will not be the case in my opinion....the internet generation is tearing down most of the gender barriers. If you look at kart racing now, I'm sure you'll see that there are far more girls involved than ever before.
and in my reversed stereotype....it seems that all the women I've seen autocross....tend to be far more smooth....being more concerned about line than the men.....men show up for their first autocross, and think if they weren't successful it was because their car needs more power.
| Worxman02 | 06-05-2006 05:36 PM |
what about Sabine Schmidt? I don't know if she races in any organized motorsport, but she does know the nurburgring better than any living human. I think she has over 15,000 laps of the nordscheilfe.
| trhoppe | 06-05-2006 05:36 PM |
[img]http://www.milkaduno.com/pics_03toyota/fullimages/0008_f.jpg[/img]
:leghump:
-Tom
:leghump:
-Tom
| PossumK | 06-05-2006 05:42 PM |
Add Vanina Ickx: [url]http://www.vaninaickx.com[/url]
| STiTuner | 06-05-2006 05:47 PM |
Ashley Force
[IMG]http://www.gaugemagazine.com/2005/december/SEMA_Celebrities/images/small/Ashley%20Force%20(WinCE).jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://hotrod.com/racers/[/url]
there is also stephani Eggam, leslie Durst and a few others.
We can always make room for more though.
Brad
[IMG]http://www.gaugemagazine.com/2005/december/SEMA_Celebrities/images/small/Ashley%20Force%20(WinCE).jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://hotrod.com/racers/[/url]
there is also stephani Eggam, leslie Durst and a few others.
We can always make room for more though.
Brad
| wvallwheeldrive | 06-05-2006 06:00 PM |
Melone troxell- leading top fuel dragster points in NHRA and early this year set the record for most consecutive final rounds at 6
Erica Enders- first woman to be top qualifier on Pro stock
Erica Enders- first woman to be top qualifier on Pro stock
| Sean O'Gorman | 06-05-2006 06:06 PM |
Racing needs less women.
Women=drama
Women=drama
| pio!pio! | 06-05-2006 06:16 PM |
Susie Stoddart in DTM
Fiona something in BTCC
Fiona something in BTCC
| pio!pio! | 06-05-2006 06:19 PM |
Liz Halliday in ALMS
| jblaine | 06-05-2006 06:23 PM |
Somewhere in the world a woman is posting a thread to Ballet Lovers Forum wishing more men were into ballet.
It's simple, if you ask me, and it has nothing to do with equality or any other "thing" some want to make it into.
We're men. The majority of us like cars, danger, and speed in some fashion. [b]Some[/b] don't.
The majority of women are not into cars, danger, and speed. [b]Some[/b] are. A very few of those [b]some[/b] end up actually pursuing it.
If you happen to be one of those few women who are into it, you're isolated by the nature of the beast. You're naturally going to wish more women were into it. You're a member of a minority.
Welcome to how it feels to be a strong-willed male somewhere who is into <insert female-dominated topic>.
Why do "we" "need" more women in racing? That's usually best said: "I wish there were more women in racing." (... because I am drawn to following them more than men, etc.)
We don't "need" more women in racing if you ask me. If there were more, great. I don't care. We [b]need[/b] whoever [b]wants[/b] to race, and is passionate about racing, to continue to be in racing. Whatever gender that falls on.
Perhaps what "we" "need" is more women with strong enough minds to pursue whatever interests them, which would possibly lead to more racing women.
The second I find "Auto Racing: For Women!" at Borders, I'm going to stab someone though.
It's simple, if you ask me, and it has nothing to do with equality or any other "thing" some want to make it into.
We're men. The majority of us like cars, danger, and speed in some fashion. [b]Some[/b] don't.
The majority of women are not into cars, danger, and speed. [b]Some[/b] are. A very few of those [b]some[/b] end up actually pursuing it.
If you happen to be one of those few women who are into it, you're isolated by the nature of the beast. You're naturally going to wish more women were into it. You're a member of a minority.
Welcome to how it feels to be a strong-willed male somewhere who is into <insert female-dominated topic>.
Why do "we" "need" more women in racing? That's usually best said: "I wish there were more women in racing." (... because I am drawn to following them more than men, etc.)
We don't "need" more women in racing if you ask me. If there were more, great. I don't care. We [b]need[/b] whoever [b]wants[/b] to race, and is passionate about racing, to continue to be in racing. Whatever gender that falls on.
Perhaps what "we" "need" is more women with strong enough minds to pursue whatever interests them, which would possibly lead to more racing women.
The second I find "Auto Racing: For Women!" at Borders, I'm going to stab someone though.
| mykrrrr | 06-05-2006 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]Racing needs less women.
Women=drama[/QUOTE]
I guess it's true when they say ignorance is bliss huh???
There are a lot of drama less women racing out there. There a few solo2 ladies here in the Detroit region that aren't afraid to go against the rest of boys in direct competition.
Women=drama[/QUOTE]
I guess it's true when they say ignorance is bliss huh???
There are a lot of drama less women racing out there. There a few solo2 ladies here in the Detroit region that aren't afraid to go against the rest of boys in direct competition.
| Imprezivblue | 06-05-2006 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=mykrrrr]I guess it's true when they say ignorance is bliss huh???
There are a lot of drama less women racing out there. There a few solo2 ladies here in the Detroit region that aren't afraid to go against the rest of boys in direct competition.[/QUOTE]
Seriously. I'd never seen a bigger bunch of male drama queens until I started attending national autocross events. . . and most of the drama doesn't include women.
I'm not saying there isn't female drama (because there is. . . believe me), however, there would be drama with or without the few female competitors.
There are a lot of drama less women racing out there. There a few solo2 ladies here in the Detroit region that aren't afraid to go against the rest of boys in direct competition.[/QUOTE]
Seriously. I'd never seen a bigger bunch of male drama queens until I started attending national autocross events. . . and most of the drama doesn't include women.
I'm not saying there isn't female drama (because there is. . . believe me), however, there would be drama with or without the few female competitors.
| Butt Dyno | 06-05-2006 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]It seems that some of the potential problems (I see) with women in racing is:
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)[/QUOTE]
Were you trying to list reasons why women don't get into racing? Some of your assumptions seem problematic to me.
1) Not all women change their names. If someone was sufficiently successful, I reckon that people would somehow figure out which one was her after she got married. I don't think there are a lot of promising women racers who got good and then realized "oh $#@! I'm going to have to change my name someday. I'd better stop racing."
2) Men can take care of kids, too. If the husband of a female racer was in any way supportive of his wife's career, *he* could take time off work, no?
3) Some parents let their children pick their own path instead of forcing them into what they want them to do.
john
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)[/QUOTE]
Were you trying to list reasons why women don't get into racing? Some of your assumptions seem problematic to me.
1) Not all women change their names. If someone was sufficiently successful, I reckon that people would somehow figure out which one was her after she got married. I don't think there are a lot of promising women racers who got good and then realized "oh $#@! I'm going to have to change my name someday. I'd better stop racing."
2) Men can take care of kids, too. If the husband of a female racer was in any way supportive of his wife's career, *he* could take time off work, no?
3) Some parents let their children pick their own path instead of forcing them into what they want them to do.
john
| Rally_wgn | 06-05-2006 09:02 PM |
We NEED less NASCAR racing.. :lol:
| Element Tuning | 06-05-2006 09:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Rally_wgn]We NEED less NASCAR racing.. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Amen! :lol:
We don't need more women racing ;) The last thing we need is for women to rule the track when they already rule the home :lol:
Amen! :lol:
We don't need more women racing ;) The last thing we need is for women to rule the track when they already rule the home :lol:
| Kitsune | 06-05-2006 09:12 PM |
No one mentioned Shirley Muldowney?
How quickly we forget. :o
How quickly we forget. :o
| RallyCSX | 06-05-2006 09:13 PM |
[IMG]http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/46/67/46m.jpg[/IMG]
Kathy Jarvis just completed her first rally at STPR
That was quite a feat considering that most of the competitors DNFed
I was crewing for her and three other cars and all of them finished :banana:
Kathy Jarvis just completed her first rally at STPR
That was quite a feat considering that most of the competitors DNFed
I was crewing for her and three other cars and all of them finished :banana:
| leecea | 06-05-2006 09:45 PM |
It is clear that women are capable of performing at the highest levels in any sport, business, or academic challenge.
If there is something specific to the way motor sports are organized that is excluding women, it should be fixed. If, even then, only a few women are interested, that's fine.
I think there are bigger problems still being faced by many women. Let's focus our energy on those issues.
If there is something specific to the way motor sports are organized that is excluding women, it should be fixed. If, even then, only a few women are interested, that's fine.
I think there are bigger problems still being faced by many women. Let's focus our energy on those issues.
| Vampyr | 06-05-2006 09:51 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Were you trying to list reasons why women don't get into racing? Some of your assumptions seem problematic to me.
john[/QUOTE]
Actually... I was focusing on why women don't stay in racing through their lifetime. And, as unfair as it may be, I was comparing women in racing to the Andretti family, who have 3 generations of very good race car drivers.
And I thought to myself "How come we don't have 3 generations of female race car drivers?".... and those are the 3 reasons that came up.
john[/QUOTE]
Actually... I was focusing on why women don't stay in racing through their lifetime. And, as unfair as it may be, I was comparing women in racing to the Andretti family, who have 3 generations of very good race car drivers.
And I thought to myself "How come we don't have 3 generations of female race car drivers?".... and those are the 3 reasons that came up.
| Vampyr | 06-05-2006 09:54 PM |
So can we get a compiled list of all current women in racing and what they race in? And maybe a summary of their latest season results?!
Or better yet... maybe we should start a forum on here that discusses women in racing... or Subie Ladies.
Or better yet... maybe we should start a forum on here that discusses women in racing... or Subie Ladies.
| Imprezivblue | 06-05-2006 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]So can we get a compiled list of all current women in racing and what they race in? And maybe a summary of their latest season results?!
Or better yet... maybe we should start a forum on here that discusses women in racing... or Subie Ladies.[/QUOTE]
There might be enough info to entertain a thread, but I don't think a forum would be justified. There aren't enough women, and aren't enough people that really care. Half the time they just want a tittywop and don't care about the results. I think you're one of a very few who would actually care.
Or better yet... maybe we should start a forum on here that discusses women in racing... or Subie Ladies.[/QUOTE]
There might be enough info to entertain a thread, but I don't think a forum would be justified. There aren't enough women, and aren't enough people that really care. Half the time they just want a tittywop and don't care about the results. I think you're one of a very few who would actually care.
| Kitsune | 06-05-2006 10:10 PM |
I see no benefit in creating a "women's" forum of any kind.
That is essentially self-imposed segregation. Why do something that actually creates a division between the sexes? Espically on a forum that seems to me to be open for either gender.
Its the same concept of "ladies" classes at AutoX and the SCCA really should abolish that stupid practice. I've known plenty of gals that can whoop serious ass and don't need a special class so they can feel "safe" from the guys.
I used to auto-x with a middle-aged lady who drove a Chevrolet S-10 in HS, she was fast enough to make me glad I had moved into GS the following year. She did'nt need the ladies class to win.
That is essentially self-imposed segregation. Why do something that actually creates a division between the sexes? Espically on a forum that seems to me to be open for either gender.
Its the same concept of "ladies" classes at AutoX and the SCCA really should abolish that stupid practice. I've known plenty of gals that can whoop serious ass and don't need a special class so they can feel "safe" from the guys.
I used to auto-x with a middle-aged lady who drove a Chevrolet S-10 in HS, she was fast enough to make me glad I had moved into GS the following year. She did'nt need the ladies class to win.
| O no A Grl STi Drvr | 06-05-2006 10:16 PM |
Okay so Im a girl, and I will be the first person to tell you it is RARE to find a good girl driver let alone let one drive an sti... I am learning though :)
| Imprezivblue | 06-05-2006 10:28 PM |
[QUOTE=O no A Grl STi Drvr]Okay so Im a girl, and I will be the first person to tell you it is RARE to find a good girl driver let alone let one drive an sti... I am learning though :)[/QUOTE]
I'm female as well, although I drive an RS (most of the time), not an STi. So it's not like i'm male "against" female racing. :o I love it and I grew up going to the track. What's not to love?
I'm female as well, although I drive an RS (most of the time), not an STi. So it's not like i'm male "against" female racing. :o I love it and I grew up going to the track. What's not to love?
| Vampyr | 06-05-2006 10:50 PM |
so given there are women drivers out there, whether professional or not, shouldn't we at least have a forum/thread that helps promote them and bring their awareness to the NASIOC site?!
I'd just like to know what's going on with all the female drivers out there because I don't want to miss the first time a woman wins a championship.
I'd just like to know what's going on with all the female drivers out there because I don't want to miss the first time a woman wins a championship.
| Kitsune | 06-05-2006 11:04 PM |
Personally as a racer myself, I don't see why women deserve to be promoted on NASIOC anymore then any of the guys racing.
We have a motorsports forum that anyone can use. Women are not restricted from a little self-promoting. Subi-Gal (Jamie) has used it to good results, even getting some personal donation sponsers from members. She even has a banner ad on the site.
There is nothing stopping [I]anyone[/I] from getting the word out about themselves.
Arn't there some sites out their dedicated to women in racing? If not, why not start one up? (Well, assuming web-building is an option anyway).
Equal opportunity also needs to mean equal obstacles to success.
We have a motorsports forum that anyone can use. Women are not restricted from a little self-promoting. Subi-Gal (Jamie) has used it to good results, even getting some personal donation sponsers from members. She even has a banner ad on the site.
There is nothing stopping [I]anyone[/I] from getting the word out about themselves.
Arn't there some sites out their dedicated to women in racing? If not, why not start one up? (Well, assuming web-building is an option anyway).
Equal opportunity also needs to mean equal obstacles to success.
| CamaroFS34 | 06-06-2006 07:31 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]Arn't there some sites out their dedicated to women in racing? [/quote]
[url=http://www.racerchicks.com]RacerChicks[/url] is one that comes to mind. [url=http://www.thundervalleyracing.com/]Thunder Valley[/url] is another.
Karen Kraus
1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34)
and sometimes a codriver of 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (L2 34), teh Stompy
[url=http://www.racerchicks.com]RacerChicks[/url] is one that comes to mind. [url=http://www.thundervalleyracing.com/]Thunder Valley[/url] is another.
Karen Kraus
1996 Camaro Z28 1LE (FS34)
and sometimes a codriver of 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (L2 34), teh Stompy
| Imprezivblue | 06-06-2006 07:39 AM |
There is that whole "Girlie Girl Racing" following as well. I have no problem putting pink vinyl on the car, but I think putting a "girlie girl racing" sticker is a step too far. :p
| leecea | 06-06-2006 08:29 AM |
[QUOTE]...let alone let one drive an sti...[/QUOTE]
I certainly don't want to pick on the original poster, but let me point out two issues with this:
1) It implies a concern with women driving something 'out the ordinary', as if they are less capable of handling it.
2) It says that someone, presumably a man, has to let the woman drive an STi.
This is exactly what needs to be eliminated from both men's and women's thinking, and IMHO is far more important to women's progress than things like seperate autox classes or a new forum.
I certainly don't want to pick on the original poster, but let me point out two issues with this:
1) It implies a concern with women driving something 'out the ordinary', as if they are less capable of handling it.
2) It says that someone, presumably a man, has to let the woman drive an STi.
This is exactly what needs to be eliminated from both men's and women's thinking, and IMHO is far more important to women's progress than things like seperate autox classes or a new forum.
| Vampyr | 06-06-2006 09:14 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]Personally as a racer myself, I don't see why women deserve to be promoted on NASIOC anymore then any of the guys racing.
[/QUOTE]
I agree with you... to a point.
Personally, I've noticed a few Suby women starting some threads, and the thread ends up being turned into a bash and flame war over the fact that it was a girl who posted the original question. NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that women can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys who use NASIOC.
As for promoting women in racing... I would bet that the Danica Patrick phenomenon has helped put Indy Racing League 'back in the spotlight' in a positive way.
For every guy who watches and attends a racing event, there is most likely a wife/girlfriend who has no interest in racing. Tell her that a woman, for the first time, has a chance of making history in that race... and chances are that wife/girlfriend suddenly is interested to find out what happens. That helps the sport financially!
How much do women impact this country's economy financially?! Have you seen how many stores are dedicated to women at your local mall?!
If I had a daughter, I would rather have her look up to a woman in racing as someone she 'wants to be like' instead of someone like Britney Spears :huh:
[/QUOTE]
I agree with you... to a point.
Personally, I've noticed a few Suby women starting some threads, and the thread ends up being turned into a bash and flame war over the fact that it was a girl who posted the original question. NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that women can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys who use NASIOC.
As for promoting women in racing... I would bet that the Danica Patrick phenomenon has helped put Indy Racing League 'back in the spotlight' in a positive way.
For every guy who watches and attends a racing event, there is most likely a wife/girlfriend who has no interest in racing. Tell her that a woman, for the first time, has a chance of making history in that race... and chances are that wife/girlfriend suddenly is interested to find out what happens. That helps the sport financially!
How much do women impact this country's economy financially?! Have you seen how many stores are dedicated to women at your local mall?!
If I had a daughter, I would rather have her look up to a woman in racing as someone she 'wants to be like' instead of someone like Britney Spears :huh:
| Subie Gal | 06-06-2006 09:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]
I really wish we'd see more women in racing.
Is there really still a gender barrier in auto racing?
It seems that some of the potential problems (I see) with women in racing is:
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)
[/QUOTE]
okay #1 :)
most women DONT WANT TO RACE
not that there's a gender barrier (cept nasty-car)
it's that the days are long. hot. dirty. stressful
and most women just dont wanna do it.
as far as the list of "potential" problems...
i've got 2 kids, one in high school, and I'm still racing full time.
Really, nothing should stop an individual from getting out there
and going for it, if that is their goal and their dream.
I DISAGREE with a 'female only' forum
I've never tried to hide my gender here on nasioc
and I've been able to hold my own (yes, even before I was a "moderator")
If you cant handle a buncha immature leg humping lonely guys,
- - dont post on the internet ladies - -
and...
[quote]Originally Posted by Sean O'Gorman
Racing needs less women.
Women=drama[/quote]
someone's compensating for their shortcomings :lol:
interesting discussion...
I'll leave ya to it :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
I really wish we'd see more women in racing.
Is there really still a gender barrier in auto racing?
It seems that some of the potential problems (I see) with women in racing is:
1.) name change when they get married (We all know who Andretti is)
2.) You can't start a family AND race... do motorsport teams allow maternity leave for their top drivers?! (sadly, men have an advantage on this one)
3.) Women in racing do not seem to pass on their driving name to their children (you never hear about a female driver's son or daughter entering the sport)
[/QUOTE]
okay #1 :)
most women DONT WANT TO RACE
not that there's a gender barrier (cept nasty-car)
it's that the days are long. hot. dirty. stressful
and most women just dont wanna do it.
as far as the list of "potential" problems...
i've got 2 kids, one in high school, and I'm still racing full time.
Really, nothing should stop an individual from getting out there
and going for it, if that is their goal and their dream.
I DISAGREE with a 'female only' forum
I've never tried to hide my gender here on nasioc
and I've been able to hold my own (yes, even before I was a "moderator")
If you cant handle a buncha immature leg humping lonely guys,
- - dont post on the internet ladies - -
and...
[quote]Originally Posted by Sean O'Gorman
Racing needs less women.
Women=drama[/quote]
someone's compensating for their shortcomings :lol:
interesting discussion...
I'll leave ya to it :)
Jamie [url=http://www.subiegal.com/][img]http://www.subiegal.com/subiegal-smilie.png[/img][/url]
| KC | 06-06-2006 09:36 AM |
[QUOTE=Vampyr]IPersonally, I've noticed a few Suby women starting some threads, and the thread ends up being turned into a bash and flame war over the fact that it was a girl who posted the original question. NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that women can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys who use NASIOC.
[/QUOTE]
Obilgatory... *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want*.
Immaturity begets immaturity. With all the threads started by these women you mention, I am willing to bet that 75% of them were started with the sole intention of OMG! Look at me! A girl on a car forum! Talk about ME and the things *I* want to talk about. I'm a girl, I don't have to search, I'll have guys clamoring over me to help me.
I'm all over the net. While this might not be you... there's plenty of them out there... and 75% is a swag... but I'm feel it's pretty damn close.
This is not a place to be politically correct, which is what you are asking for. This is a place to talk about cars, and the things PEOPLE like to do to and with their cars.
Serious questions (like this thread) get serious answers. Stupid questions get stupid answers. Search, this goes with anyone, and you'll have an easier time at things. Ask questions that have been asked 20 times already, girl, guy, dog, cat, alien, messican, and you're going to get replies that are what some people consider harsh.
"NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that guys that are aged 35+ can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys, girls & teenagers through 20 something that think they know it all who use NASIOC."
See how silly that sounds?
--kC
[/QUOTE]
Obilgatory... *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want* *I want*.
Immaturity begets immaturity. With all the threads started by these women you mention, I am willing to bet that 75% of them were started with the sole intention of OMG! Look at me! A girl on a car forum! Talk about ME and the things *I* want to talk about. I'm a girl, I don't have to search, I'll have guys clamoring over me to help me.
I'm all over the net. While this might not be you... there's plenty of them out there... and 75% is a swag... but I'm feel it's pretty damn close.
This is not a place to be politically correct, which is what you are asking for. This is a place to talk about cars, and the things PEOPLE like to do to and with their cars.
Serious questions (like this thread) get serious answers. Stupid questions get stupid answers. Search, this goes with anyone, and you'll have an easier time at things. Ask questions that have been asked 20 times already, girl, guy, dog, cat, alien, messican, and you're going to get replies that are what some people consider harsh.
"NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that guys that are aged 35+ can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys, girls & teenagers through 20 something that think they know it all who use NASIOC."
See how silly that sounds?
--kC
| CamaroFS34 | 06-06-2006 01:34 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]"NASIOC needs to have a moderated place that guys that are aged 35+ can post what they want without having to 'hide' their identity because of all the immature boys, girls & teenagers through 20 something that think they know it all who use NASIOC."
See how silly that sounds? [/QUOTE]
You just don't like it when we all make fun of you. ;)
See how silly that sounds? [/QUOTE]
You just don't like it when we all make fun of you. ;)
| jigga | 06-06-2006 01:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Rally_wgn]We NEED less NASCAR racing.. :lol:[/QUOTE]
i'll drink to that! :lol:
i'll drink to that! :lol:
| KC | 06-06-2006 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]You just don't like it when we all make fun of you. ;)[/QUOTE]
:furious:
And I can't beleive no one mentioned Lyn St James yet. :) Rookie of the year at the '92 Indy 500. I met her at the Mazda Rev It up finals at Laguna Seca in '03.
[url]http://www.lynstjames.com/[/url]
--kC
:furious:
And I can't beleive no one mentioned Lyn St James yet. :) Rookie of the year at the '92 Indy 500. I met her at the Mazda Rev It up finals at Laguna Seca in '03.
[url]http://www.lynstjames.com/[/url]
--kC
| f1vlad | 06-06-2006 02:36 PM |
You also forgot Sarah Fischer:
[img]http://www.sarahfisher.com/Bryant%20Announcement%20024.JPG[/img]
I first saw her racing Formula BMW USA at Brickyard.
[img]http://www.sarahfisher.com/Bryant%20Announcement%20024.JPG[/img]
I first saw her racing Formula BMW USA at Brickyard.
| Butt Dyno | 06-06-2006 02:51 PM |
Shauna Marinus, too. Is she still doing World Challenge?
| jcroy66 | 06-06-2006 03:55 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Immaturity begets immaturity. With all the threads started by these women you mention, I am willing to bet that 75% of them were started with the sole intention of OMG! Look at me! A girl on a car forum! Talk about ME and the things *I* want to talk about. I'm a girl, I don't have to search, I'll have guys clamoring over me to help me.[/QUOTE]Amen to that! I haven't seen it here on NASIOC, because I only read Motorsports. (And on that note, I only read Motorsports because I can't stand the immaturity I've seen on the other forums when I've perused them.)
But on a local Subaru forum lately, I was about "this" far from telling a couple new girls to shut the *#$#$ up and get lost because their posts were exactly what KC described - "Look at me, I'm a car girl!!! Look at these pictures of me kissing another girl, hehehehe, we're so hot!" :rolleyes: Yeah, whatever. This is a car forum. Please go fall down a drain and die. Or at least just go [u][b]away[/b][/u]. (Not that I'm saying there's anything inherently wrong with girls kissing each other, just that [b]introducing [/b]yourself that way is 100% an attention-wh0ring move and very few girls (and certainly no serious racers) want anything to do with attention-wh0res.)
On your suggested "women only" board, I can [u]guarantee[/u] that the "OMG, I'm a girl, look at me" posts are going to be dealt with FAR MORE HARSHLY by other women than they would have been by the immature boys in the general forums.
However, legit racing posts by girls get legit responses. Legit responses by both guys and girls. Period. Women in racing shouldn't get respect just because they happen to be female. Respect should be earned.
And FWIW, I have zero desire to participate in a "women-only" NASIOC forum. I want to read and talk about racing. Period. I do make a point of reading any threads in Motorsports that are women-specific (like this thread, for instance). But I don't have any desire to read a separate forum.
Jen Croy
#177 STX
[url="http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php"]TeamSoloRacer[/url]
2003 Subaru WRB WRX
But on a local Subaru forum lately, I was about "this" far from telling a couple new girls to shut the *#$#$ up and get lost because their posts were exactly what KC described - "Look at me, I'm a car girl!!! Look at these pictures of me kissing another girl, hehehehe, we're so hot!" :rolleyes: Yeah, whatever. This is a car forum. Please go fall down a drain and die. Or at least just go [u][b]away[/b][/u]. (Not that I'm saying there's anything inherently wrong with girls kissing each other, just that [b]introducing [/b]yourself that way is 100% an attention-wh0ring move and very few girls (and certainly no serious racers) want anything to do with attention-wh0res.)
On your suggested "women only" board, I can [u]guarantee[/u] that the "OMG, I'm a girl, look at me" posts are going to be dealt with FAR MORE HARSHLY by other women than they would have been by the immature boys in the general forums.
However, legit racing posts by girls get legit responses. Legit responses by both guys and girls. Period. Women in racing shouldn't get respect just because they happen to be female. Respect should be earned.
And FWIW, I have zero desire to participate in a "women-only" NASIOC forum. I want to read and talk about racing. Period. I do make a point of reading any threads in Motorsports that are women-specific (like this thread, for instance). But I don't have any desire to read a separate forum.
Jen Croy
#177 STX
[url="http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php"]TeamSoloRacer[/url]
2003 Subaru WRB WRX
| Imprezivblue | 06-06-2006 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]
And FWIW, I have zero desire to participate in a "women-only" NASIOC forum. I want to read and talk about racing. Period. I do make a point of reading any threads in Motorsports that are women-specific (like this thread, for instance). But I don't have any desire to read a separate forum.
Jen Croy
#177 STX
[url="http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php"]TeamSoloRacer[/url]
2003 Subaru WRB WRX[/QUOTE]
I agree 110%. I'm here to learn just as much as the guys, to hang out and bs, and learn how to drive. No need to create another forum as some of us like the anonymity a forum environment creates where most people don't know that i'm a girl. I like that. Sometimes you get more respect if they don't know you're a girl anyway. :o
And FWIW, I have zero desire to participate in a "women-only" NASIOC forum. I want to read and talk about racing. Period. I do make a point of reading any threads in Motorsports that are women-specific (like this thread, for instance). But I don't have any desire to read a separate forum.
Jen Croy
#177 STX
[url="http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php"]TeamSoloRacer[/url]
2003 Subaru WRB WRX[/QUOTE]
I agree 110%. I'm here to learn just as much as the guys, to hang out and bs, and learn how to drive. No need to create another forum as some of us like the anonymity a forum environment creates where most people don't know that i'm a girl. I like that. Sometimes you get more respect if they don't know you're a girl anyway. :o
| makofoto | 06-06-2006 04:09 PM |
Sabine won the 24 Hour Touring Car race at the Ring when she was still actively racing.
We have a number of National Champ women AX'ers in our Southern CA region, including Rita Wilsey, who after Shauna Marias is only the 2nd women to win an open class at the SCCA Solo National Championships. Recently one of our women started to race in our open SM class, just to get more competition ... and she won after four tries last weekend. MOST of our outstanding women drivers don't use their feminine wiles to get extra help with their cars. Some do, but I don't blame them. Their dads and boy friends taught them for the most part, plus we have our strengths and they have theirs. :-)
We have a number of National Champ women AX'ers in our Southern CA region, including Rita Wilsey, who after Shauna Marias is only the 2nd women to win an open class at the SCCA Solo National Championships. Recently one of our women started to race in our open SM class, just to get more competition ... and she won after four tries last weekend. MOST of our outstanding women drivers don't use their feminine wiles to get extra help with their cars. Some do, but I don't blame them. Their dads and boy friends taught them for the most part, plus we have our strengths and they have theirs. :-)
| makofoto | 06-06-2006 04:18 PM |
In a "men can't help themselves" vain:
+1 for Jacky's daughter Vanina! Currently running in the FIA GT series.
[url]http://www.vaninaickx.com/[/url]
[IMG]http://images17.fotki.com/v4/photos/4/43793/838567/Ickx-vi.jpg[/IMG]
+1 for Jacky's daughter Vanina! Currently running in the FIA GT series.
[url]http://www.vaninaickx.com/[/url]
[IMG]http://images17.fotki.com/v4/photos/4/43793/838567/Ickx-vi.jpg[/IMG]
| Sean O'Gorman | 06-06-2006 05:00 PM |
[QUOTE=leecea]It is clear that women are capable of performing at the highest levels in any sport, business, or academic challenge.
[/QUOTE]
Is it? Name one woman U.S. President. How many Fortune 500 CEOs are women. Has there ever been a woman NFL, NBA, or MLB player? NO NO NO
By the time a woman will finally be respectable on the racetrack, she'll probably do something stupid to end her career like get knocked up. And as far as autocross is concerned, I think the ladies classes should get a softer PAX. I bet that 85% of women at autocross fall in the bottom half of PAX, at least this would make them feel relevent as something other than eye candy at an event.
[/QUOTE]
Is it? Name one woman U.S. President. How many Fortune 500 CEOs are women. Has there ever been a woman NFL, NBA, or MLB player? NO NO NO
By the time a woman will finally be respectable on the racetrack, she'll probably do something stupid to end her career like get knocked up. And as far as autocross is concerned, I think the ladies classes should get a softer PAX. I bet that 85% of women at autocross fall in the bottom half of PAX, at least this would make them feel relevent as something other than eye candy at an event.
| maxQ | 06-06-2006 05:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]Is it? Name one woman U.S. President. How many Fortune 500 CEOs are women. Has there ever been a woman NFL, NBA, or MLB player? NO NO NO [/QUOTE]
While I'm sure you're being facetious....
Patricia Russo, CEO, Lucent
Brenda Barnes, CEO, Sara Lee
Anne Mulcahy, CEO, Xerox
Andrea Jung, CEO, Avon
Meg Whitman, CEO, eBay
Carly Fiorina, CEO, HP
While I'm sure you're being facetious....
Patricia Russo, CEO, Lucent
Brenda Barnes, CEO, Sara Lee
Anne Mulcahy, CEO, Xerox
Andrea Jung, CEO, Avon
Meg Whitman, CEO, eBay
Carly Fiorina, CEO, HP
| Sean O'Gorman | 06-06-2006 05:10 PM |
244 more to go and they'll be halfway! I like how 1/3rd of those are for makeup and baking products. Is the CEO of Whirlpool a broad too?
| Butt Dyno | 06-06-2006 05:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]244 more to go and they'll be halfway! I like how 1/3rd of those are for makeup and baking products. Is the CEO of Whirlpool a broad too?[/QUOTE]
Are you [i]trying[/i] to get banned?
Are you [i]trying[/i] to get banned?
| CamaroFS34 | 06-06-2006 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]Is it? Name one woman U.S. President. How many Fortune 500 CEOs are women. Has there ever been a woman NFL, NBA, or MLB player? NO NO NO
By the time a woman will finally be respectable on the racetrack, she'll probably do something stupid to end her career like get knocked up. And as far as autocross is concerned, I think the ladies classes should get a softer PAX. I bet that 85% of women at autocross fall in the bottom half of PAX, at least this would make them feel relevent as something other than eye candy at an event.[/QUOTE]
Sean, Sean, Sean..... You realize this post [i]will[/i] get you an ass-kicking -- both literally [i]and[/i] figuratively -- at the next autocross I see you at, right? I could have excused the "drama" post as you being satirical, but this.... <shaking head>
Should I tell everyone that you're only, what? 5'7" and maybe 140lbs soaking wet? Hell, you make Darrin Disimo look like a big boy!!! :lol:
:rolleyes:
Karen
By the time a woman will finally be respectable on the racetrack, she'll probably do something stupid to end her career like get knocked up. And as far as autocross is concerned, I think the ladies classes should get a softer PAX. I bet that 85% of women at autocross fall in the bottom half of PAX, at least this would make them feel relevent as something other than eye candy at an event.[/QUOTE]
Sean, Sean, Sean..... You realize this post [i]will[/i] get you an ass-kicking -- both literally [i]and[/i] figuratively -- at the next autocross I see you at, right? I could have excused the "drama" post as you being satirical, but this.... <shaking head>
Should I tell everyone that you're only, what? 5'7" and maybe 140lbs soaking wet? Hell, you make Darrin Disimo look like a big boy!!! :lol:
:rolleyes:
Karen
| CamaroFS34 | 06-06-2006 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]I bet that 85% of women at autocross fall in the bottom half of PAX...[/QUOTE]
What do you call 129th of 187? [url=http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16/196154/Peru%20Pro%20Index%20Final.pdf]That would be where you finished at the Peru Pro[/url] this past weekend, albeit using the ProSolo indexing, not PAX/RTP.
Karen
What do you call 129th of 187? [url=http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16/196154/Peru%20Pro%20Index%20Final.pdf]That would be where you finished at the Peru Pro[/url] this past weekend, albeit using the ProSolo indexing, not PAX/RTP.
Karen
| Sean O'Gorman | 06-06-2006 05:19 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]Sean, Sean, Sean..... You realize this post [i]will[/i] get you an ass-kicking -- both literally [i]and[/i] figuratively -- at the next autocross I see you at, right? I could have excused the "drama" post as you being satirical, but this.... <shaking head>
Should I tell everyone that you're only, what? 5'7" and maybe 140lbs soaking wet? Hell, you make Darrin Disimo look like a big boy!!! :lol:
:rolleyes:
Karen[/QUOTE]
C'mon Karen, I'm surprised, I figured you of all people would've figured out I was just messing around.
<-----Stopping before he gets banned, but still looking forward to his ass-kicking. [IMG]http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8008/kiss6aa.gif[/IMG]
Should I tell everyone that you're only, what? 5'7" and maybe 140lbs soaking wet? Hell, you make Darrin Disimo look like a big boy!!! :lol:
:rolleyes:
Karen[/QUOTE]
C'mon Karen, I'm surprised, I figured you of all people would've figured out I was just messing around.
<-----Stopping before he gets banned, but still looking forward to his ass-kicking. [IMG]http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/8008/kiss6aa.gif[/IMG]
| Sean O'Gorman | 06-06-2006 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]What do you call 129th of 187? [url=http://sccaforums.com/forums/storage/16/196154/Peru%20Pro%20Index%20Final.pdf]That would be where you finished at the Peru Pro[/url] this past weekend, albeit using the ProSolo indexing, not PAX/RTP.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Sadly I call it my best national-level result ever. :o
Karen[/QUOTE]
Sadly I call it my best national-level result ever. :o
| MPME | 06-06-2006 05:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Sean O'Gorman]244 more to go and they'll be halfway! I like how 1/3rd of those are for makeup and baking products. Is the CEO of Whirlpool a broad too?[/QUOTE]
Man, that joke made me laugh so hard I almost cried, but then I realized men have been making this same stupid ****ing joke forever.
OK, actually, I didn't laugh or cry--I just regaled in how cool NASIOC is to allow retarded Subaru fans to register and post stuff.
When you first read this thread, and then thought "hey, I've got a really funny idea, I should post a reply that slams women, does the whole 'they should stay at home in the kitchen' routine and are inferior to men, EVERYBODY is gonna think I'm so creative, smart, and that I'm hilarious!!!," well Corky, you were wrong.
Man, that joke made me laugh so hard I almost cried, but then I realized men have been making this same stupid ****ing joke forever.
OK, actually, I didn't laugh or cry--I just regaled in how cool NASIOC is to allow retarded Subaru fans to register and post stuff.
When you first read this thread, and then thought "hey, I've got a really funny idea, I should post a reply that slams women, does the whole 'they should stay at home in the kitchen' routine and are inferior to men, EVERYBODY is gonna think I'm so creative, smart, and that I'm hilarious!!!," well Corky, you were wrong.
| Phil Jr. | 06-06-2006 05:54 PM |
simple question, why?
you started a thread about "needing" something without a single reason why. And i could care less either way, as long as their isnt something preventing women from racing who would otherwise want to.
you started a thread about "needing" something without a single reason why. And i could care less either way, as long as their isnt something preventing women from racing who would otherwise want to.
| ghschirtz | 06-06-2006 10:04 PM |
This forum can stick to racing. It was said that what we need are racers. That is all. If a woman wants to race, has the skills, commitment, etc., all power to her, and I don't care as long as my co-driver has the skills and can perform on the track. That is what it is about and racing is one of the few areas where outright performance is what it is about: male, female, white, or polka dotted.
People generally think they are being "inclusive" by creating women's forums, or Martian History weeks, whatever. I don't think so. I think we are segregating people the same way federal law has created various "protected classes" with special rights for each. That is divisive, though you can gain political "traction" by pandering well enough to enough of the classes.
If all that really mattered to you was what someone could do, what they stood for, and they had integrity, then noone would comment on "we need" more women doing this, more blacks doing that, more whites in the NBA, etc.
My daughter can run far faster and farther than either of her brothers or me. My lady friend can shoot better than I can, and while not a racer, tolerates my interest kindly. She also can run farther and faster than me. I barbeque better than she does (well, I think so and she seems to like the product!). Or my daughter or my sons.
So maybe we can revel in the skills and gifts each of us has and sees in others and quit building barriers where none have to exist. That is real inclusiveness, not the Al Sharpton version.
I have spent long periods overseas and Los Angeles, Teheran, Geneva, Frankfurt, Cairo, London and some other places I can name have nice people and ugly people. Smart ones and dumb ones. If you want a fist fight in any one of the above you can find it. If you want to share the happiness of life with people, you can find that too. The choice is yours.
Win your races on the track if you can, but not with an attorney.
My $.02.
George
I
People generally think they are being "inclusive" by creating women's forums, or Martian History weeks, whatever. I don't think so. I think we are segregating people the same way federal law has created various "protected classes" with special rights for each. That is divisive, though you can gain political "traction" by pandering well enough to enough of the classes.
If all that really mattered to you was what someone could do, what they stood for, and they had integrity, then noone would comment on "we need" more women doing this, more blacks doing that, more whites in the NBA, etc.
My daughter can run far faster and farther than either of her brothers or me. My lady friend can shoot better than I can, and while not a racer, tolerates my interest kindly. She also can run farther and faster than me. I barbeque better than she does (well, I think so and she seems to like the product!). Or my daughter or my sons.
So maybe we can revel in the skills and gifts each of us has and sees in others and quit building barriers where none have to exist. That is real inclusiveness, not the Al Sharpton version.
I have spent long periods overseas and Los Angeles, Teheran, Geneva, Frankfurt, Cairo, London and some other places I can name have nice people and ugly people. Smart ones and dumb ones. If you want a fist fight in any one of the above you can find it. If you want to share the happiness of life with people, you can find that too. The choice is yours.
Win your races on the track if you can, but not with an attorney.
My $.02.
George
I
| jblaine | 06-06-2006 10:17 PM |
^^^ What he said.
Best 2 cents I've seen deposited at NASIOC in ages.
Best 2 cents I've seen deposited at NASIOC in ages.
| Vampyr | 06-06-2006 10:50 PM |
I think this thread started because I was getting tired of constantly being bombarded with Danica Patrick media frenzy here in Indianapolis. Seeing people wearing Danica shirts and Danica hats and rooting for Danica, yet she had a mediocre race this year at the Indy 500. (not even Dan Wheldon gets that much media publicity)
And then I thought to myself... there MUST be a woman in racing who is winning championships or consistently placing podium finishes in the race series. Why should Danica Patrick get all the media attention? IRL series isn't even that great of a race series.
I'm just looking forward to the day when a woman completely dominates her racing series. A day when sportswriters quit comparing the woman racecar driver to the previous woman racecar driver and instead compares her racing style/performance to a man in racing. Something like "Danica Patrick has ALOT in common with Emerson Fittipaldi's racing style".
Everyone is waiting for that first woman driver to take center stage in the media limelight, not because she is a girl, or that she is cute... but because SHE WINS RACES!!!
As for what it's worth... my wife has personally been involved with Lyn St. James' Women Of Winner's Circle program to help promote women in racing. Which, in a male dominated sport... needs all the help it can get. Women in racing brings more attraction to the racing event because... -> reread my last paragraph.
(as for coming up with the idea of a women in racing thread/forum... I just want to have a place to read on the current seasons results of different women in racing because I have a personal interest to know who the women in racing are and how good they are doing)
And then I thought to myself... there MUST be a woman in racing who is winning championships or consistently placing podium finishes in the race series. Why should Danica Patrick get all the media attention? IRL series isn't even that great of a race series.
I'm just looking forward to the day when a woman completely dominates her racing series. A day when sportswriters quit comparing the woman racecar driver to the previous woman racecar driver and instead compares her racing style/performance to a man in racing. Something like "Danica Patrick has ALOT in common with Emerson Fittipaldi's racing style".
Everyone is waiting for that first woman driver to take center stage in the media limelight, not because she is a girl, or that she is cute... but because SHE WINS RACES!!!
As for what it's worth... my wife has personally been involved with Lyn St. James' Women Of Winner's Circle program to help promote women in racing. Which, in a male dominated sport... needs all the help it can get. Women in racing brings more attraction to the racing event because... -> reread my last paragraph.
(as for coming up with the idea of a women in racing thread/forum... I just want to have a place to read on the current seasons results of different women in racing because I have a personal interest to know who the women in racing are and how good they are doing)
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