| WRblueX_Guy | 07-03-2007 05:34 PM |
For the Aiptek MPVR users. Does anyone know of a wide angle lens that works with this camera? Will that one on ebay posted earlier in this thread work?
Also, I am looking at getting a new MPVR for $136 shipped from Amazon. I was wondering how much record time is capable from the camera out of the box. It says "Internal memory: 512MB DDR for buffer; 32MB flash memory (16MB storage)". I'm not sure what any of this means. Does it come with a memory card, or do I have to buy one (or two)? I would like to record 4 or 5 30 minute sessions at the track.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-MPVR-MPEG4-Digital-Camcorder/dp/tech-data/B000AV14J0/ref=de_a_smtd/002-1934683-2726421[/url]
Edit: I read on bestbuy.com that it does not come with a memory card. Can anyone help me out with which card/how many I will need to get ~2 hours of recording?
Thanks,
Brian
Also, I am looking at getting a new MPVR for $136 shipped from Amazon. I was wondering how much record time is capable from the camera out of the box. It says "Internal memory: 512MB DDR for buffer; 32MB flash memory (16MB storage)". I'm not sure what any of this means. Does it come with a memory card, or do I have to buy one (or two)? I would like to record 4 or 5 30 minute sessions at the track.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-MPVR-MPEG4-Digital-Camcorder/dp/tech-data/B000AV14J0/ref=de_a_smtd/002-1934683-2726421[/url]
Edit: I read on bestbuy.com that it does not come with a memory card. Can anyone help me out with which card/how many I will need to get ~2 hours of recording?
Thanks,
Brian
| fliz | 07-03-2007 06:05 PM |
I've got the MPVR.
I bought 2 2GB SD cards for use. It gets 60-90 minutes per card.
I also picked up a couple batteries from Aiptek.com, as the battery seems to match up with the 2GB record time pretty well (I leave the camera on during transit, just not recording).
I haven't needed a wide angle lens. Mounted behind the seats, it gets plenty of cockpit.
My two complaints: 1. No idea how much memory is left on the card. I've accidentally recorded service stops twice now, and w/o going back through the video, you'd have no idea.
2. Exposure doesn't auto-adjust enough. I have to manually set the exposure to -2 to record. It's sort of a pain, and doesn't work so well for twilight stages. And if you turn off the camera, it resets, so you have to leave the camera on.
Here is Mini LSPR. Daylight, mounted on the harness bar, exposure set to -2:
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS01]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS01[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS02]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS02[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS7]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS7[/url]
Here is Shooting Star. Camera was mounted on the X between main hoop and rear towers. Exposure set to -1. Starts washed out, and is pretty dark once it starts raining.
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Shooting-Star-Stage-2-June-9-2007]Click here to watch Shooting-Star-Stage-2-June-9-2007[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Shooting-Star-Stage-2-Part-2-June-9-2007]Click here to watch Shooting-Star-Stage-2-Part-2-June-9-2007[/url]
I bought 2 2GB SD cards for use. It gets 60-90 minutes per card.
I also picked up a couple batteries from Aiptek.com, as the battery seems to match up with the 2GB record time pretty well (I leave the camera on during transit, just not recording).
I haven't needed a wide angle lens. Mounted behind the seats, it gets plenty of cockpit.
My two complaints: 1. No idea how much memory is left on the card. I've accidentally recorded service stops twice now, and w/o going back through the video, you'd have no idea.
2. Exposure doesn't auto-adjust enough. I have to manually set the exposure to -2 to record. It's sort of a pain, and doesn't work so well for twilight stages. And if you turn off the camera, it resets, so you have to leave the camera on.
Here is Mini LSPR. Daylight, mounted on the harness bar, exposure set to -2:
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS01]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS01[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS02]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS02[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS7]Click here to watch Lake-Superior-Mini-2007-SS7[/url]
Here is Shooting Star. Camera was mounted on the X between main hoop and rear towers. Exposure set to -1. Starts washed out, and is pretty dark once it starts raining.
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Shooting-Star-Stage-2-June-9-2007]Click here to watch Shooting-Star-Stage-2-June-9-2007[/url]
[url=http://media.putfile.com/Shooting-Star-Stage-2-Part-2-June-9-2007]Click here to watch Shooting-Star-Stage-2-Part-2-June-9-2007[/url]
| pillarguy17 | 12-01-2007 08:21 PM |
Does anyone know if the chase cam bullet cams will record to camara like the Aiptek MPVR. I was a little concerned that the 520 line that chase cam uses is an odd resolution, not the standard 480 line. Is there any odd image compression that happens?
I am think start with Aiptek MPVR. If I an not happy with the image, then pick up a Chasecam and use the Aiptek for a recording device. I like that it is cheap and records to a solid state medium.
Is there a different camara that makes a good recording device that is cheaper than the $500 chase cam offering?
I am think start with Aiptek MPVR. If I an not happy with the image, then pick up a Chasecam and use the Aiptek for a recording device. I like that it is cheap and records to a solid state medium.
Is there a different camara that makes a good recording device that is cheaper than the $500 chase cam offering?
| Libila | 12-02-2007 11:25 AM |
I too would like to know that ^
| JamesWilson | 12-02-2007 08:34 PM |
[quote=pillarguy17;20239151]Does anyone know if the chase cam bullet cams will record to camara like the Aiptek MPVR. I was a little concerned that the 520 line that chase cam uses is an odd resolution, not the standard 480 line. Is there any odd image compression that happens?
I am think start with Aiptek MPVR. If I an not happy with the image, then pick up a Chasecam and use the Aiptek for a recording device. I like that it is cheap and records to a solid state medium.
Is there a different camara that makes a good recording device that is cheaper than the $500 chase cam offering?[/quote]
Yes, if the Aiptek has an external analog A/V input, you can plug a ChaseCam or other bullet camera into the unit, just provide 12V power and an external mic and you are ready to roll.
The Aiptek line of camcorders, including the $150 A-HD 720p hi def unit are probably the best consumer-oriented solid state recorders, mostly in that if they break you can go to Best Buy or Circuit City and just get a new one :) Otherwise, other recorders run $500 on up to $11K for other solid-state units. There are a few designed for the security or law enforcement industry that provide a 12V output for an external camera, but usually record just 640x480 and max out at 30fps, or even more commonly 15 or 20 frames per second, not good for high-speed racing. You will still spend $350+ for these recorders.
480 line bullet cameras are considered "medium resolution" (380=low, 520/540=high). Find one with a good high Lux value (1.0 or better) and that will be best for motorsports, as many cheap bullet cams are for Security and their shutter speeds and backlight controls are not meant for fast high action.
-JW
No affiliation anymore, just used to build the stuff :)
I am think start with Aiptek MPVR. If I an not happy with the image, then pick up a Chasecam and use the Aiptek for a recording device. I like that it is cheap and records to a solid state medium.
Is there a different camara that makes a good recording device that is cheaper than the $500 chase cam offering?[/quote]
Yes, if the Aiptek has an external analog A/V input, you can plug a ChaseCam or other bullet camera into the unit, just provide 12V power and an external mic and you are ready to roll.
The Aiptek line of camcorders, including the $150 A-HD 720p hi def unit are probably the best consumer-oriented solid state recorders, mostly in that if they break you can go to Best Buy or Circuit City and just get a new one :) Otherwise, other recorders run $500 on up to $11K for other solid-state units. There are a few designed for the security or law enforcement industry that provide a 12V output for an external camera, but usually record just 640x480 and max out at 30fps, or even more commonly 15 or 20 frames per second, not good for high-speed racing. You will still spend $350+ for these recorders.
480 line bullet cameras are considered "medium resolution" (380=low, 520/540=high). Find one with a good high Lux value (1.0 or better) and that will be best for motorsports, as many cheap bullet cams are for Security and their shutter speeds and backlight controls are not meant for fast high action.
-JW
No affiliation anymore, just used to build the stuff :)
| Libila | 12-04-2007 06:40 PM |
Are the 480 line resolution cameras fairly good for online purposes?
| JamesWilson | 12-04-2007 08:58 PM |
[quote=Libila;20274684]Are the 480 line resolution cameras fairly good for online purposes?[/quote]
Yes, no problem. ANYTHING looks terrible on YouTube anyway, but the highest resolution the initial recording is, the better. Try PutFile or Blip.tv or BrightCove.tv for better quality. TV Quality is 640x480, which is stretched with either a 480-line or 520/540-line camera anyway. DVD Quality is 720x480, and 720p (HiDef) is 1280x720......the size of the lens and resolution of the sensor ("camera") limits the overall quality, the rest is done in processing and encoding.
Yes, no problem. ANYTHING looks terrible on YouTube anyway, but the highest resolution the initial recording is, the better. Try PutFile or Blip.tv or BrightCove.tv for better quality. TV Quality is 640x480, which is stretched with either a 480-line or 520/540-line camera anyway. DVD Quality is 720x480, and 720p (HiDef) is 1280x720......the size of the lens and resolution of the sensor ("camera") limits the overall quality, the rest is done in processing and encoding.
| trhoppe | 12-04-2007 10:10 PM |
I just got the Aiptek "Go-HD" version of that cam for a b-day present. Its got a better lens as its manual rather then digital zoom. I'm happy with it so far in the trials that I've done. We'll see how it holds up to abuse in the race car.
-Tom
-Tom
| pillarguy17 | 12-04-2007 10:22 PM |
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Ok I think that is what I will do is use the chasecam + Aiptek recorder. The fact that if records to Mpeg 4 should not hurt image quality correct? Maybe just limit my editing options ( I don't plan on editing too much).
Because to me it seems that the camara not the recording device determines video resolution and quality, not the recording device (for the most part). Am I correct?
Because to me it seems that the camara not the recording device determines video resolution and quality, not the recording device (for the most part). Am I correct?
| JamesWilson | 12-05-2007 02:00 AM |
The recorder determines video quality by three things-- screen resolution, frame rate, and compression.
Small screen size = poor view = poor quality
Slow frame rate = unable to capture true action/racing = poor quality
Crappy Compression = choppy/pixellated video, no matter what framerate or screen size.
Generally you shoot for the best in all worlds.
MPEG4 with H.264 compression = fantastic for most uses, great for HiDef, good use of file sizes. This is what the Aiptek units use.
MPEG2 by way of ChaseCam = great for making DVD's and broadcast, but geared towards higher-end/professional video with lots of post-production editing.
+1 for the Aiptek A-HD and Go-HD, both GREAT units for the price!!!
Small screen size = poor view = poor quality
Slow frame rate = unable to capture true action/racing = poor quality
Crappy Compression = choppy/pixellated video, no matter what framerate or screen size.
Generally you shoot for the best in all worlds.
MPEG4 with H.264 compression = fantastic for most uses, great for HiDef, good use of file sizes. This is what the Aiptek units use.
MPEG2 by way of ChaseCam = great for making DVD's and broadcast, but geared towards higher-end/professional video with lots of post-production editing.
+1 for the Aiptek A-HD and Go-HD, both GREAT units for the price!!!
| PossumK | 12-05-2007 04:24 PM |
How easy is it to go from powering on the Aiptek to recording from an external input? I was hoping to go with an affordable solid state recorder for my bullet cam, but ended up with a Sony MiniDV camcorder so I could use the LANC remote, which is awesome.
| trhoppe | 12-05-2007 05:05 PM |
The Go-HD has a remote, but no external input AFAIK.
Even though I have the Aiptek, if the $$ wasn't a consideration I would have gone with the chasecam. Just that I ended up paying $190 for my whole in car camera setup. I will upgrade to a dual chasecam camera solid state recorded setup at some point, but things like Hoosiers are more important for now :)
-Tom
Even though I have the Aiptek, if the $$ wasn't a consideration I would have gone with the chasecam. Just that I ended up paying $190 for my whole in car camera setup. I will upgrade to a dual chasecam camera solid state recorded setup at some point, but things like Hoosiers are more important for now :)
-Tom
| fliz | 12-05-2007 05:11 PM |
Aiptek does offer a remote on their website, but I haven't purchased it.
I'm using a bullet cam into the Aiptek right now.
Results have been less than stellar.
When I get video, it's great quality, but user error is high.
At LSPR I got 3 stages before a large bump froze up the camera and since I didn't check it at service, I didn't get any more footage Friday.
Saturday I had no issues, and got coverage for all stages.
At Paris, the input cable came loose, and I got 4 stages of nothing in the morning. Then I got one stage in the afternoon before the memory card filled up (I'd forgot to erase LSPR stages).
I haven't processed Paris, but here's what I got for LSPR:
[url]http://videos.streetfire.net/profile/fliz687.htm[/url]
I'm using a bullet cam into the Aiptek right now.
Results have been less than stellar.
When I get video, it's great quality, but user error is high.
At LSPR I got 3 stages before a large bump froze up the camera and since I didn't check it at service, I didn't get any more footage Friday.
Saturday I had no issues, and got coverage for all stages.
At Paris, the input cable came loose, and I got 4 stages of nothing in the morning. Then I got one stage in the afternoon before the memory card filled up (I'd forgot to erase LSPR stages).
I haven't processed Paris, but here's what I got for LSPR:
[url]http://videos.streetfire.net/profile/fliz687.htm[/url]
| JamesWilson | 12-05-2007 09:40 PM |
[quote=fliz;20287416]Aiptek does offer a remote on their website, but I haven't purchased it.
I'm using a bullet cam into the Aiptek right now.
Results have been less than stellar.
When I get video, it's great quality, but user error is high.
At LSPR I got 3 stages before a large bump froze up the camera and since I didn't check it at service, I didn't get any more footage Friday.
Saturday I had no issues, and got coverage for all stages.
At Paris, the input cable came loose, and I got 4 stages of nothing in the morning. Then I got one stage in the afternoon before the memory card filled up (I'd forgot to erase LSPR stages).
I haven't processed Paris, but here's what I got for LSPR:
[URL]http://videos.streetfire.net/profile/fliz687.htm[/URL][/quote]
How are you mounting the camcorder....padded case? I put my Aiptek A-HD in a case (similar to Pelican), no problems. Video looks great though!
That was the nice thing about the ChaseCam recorder, we solid-mounted it to The GraveDigger monster truck and it never fazed it, even after a crash :)
I'm using a bullet cam into the Aiptek right now.
Results have been less than stellar.
When I get video, it's great quality, but user error is high.
At LSPR I got 3 stages before a large bump froze up the camera and since I didn't check it at service, I didn't get any more footage Friday.
Saturday I had no issues, and got coverage for all stages.
At Paris, the input cable came loose, and I got 4 stages of nothing in the morning. Then I got one stage in the afternoon before the memory card filled up (I'd forgot to erase LSPR stages).
I haven't processed Paris, but here's what I got for LSPR:
[URL]http://videos.streetfire.net/profile/fliz687.htm[/URL][/quote]
How are you mounting the camcorder....padded case? I put my Aiptek A-HD in a case (similar to Pelican), no problems. Video looks great though!
That was the nice thing about the ChaseCam recorder, we solid-mounted it to The GraveDigger monster truck and it never fazed it, even after a crash :)
| fliz | 12-09-2007 02:35 PM |
[QUOTE=JamesWilson;20290845]How are you mounting the camcorder....padded case? I put my Aiptek A-HD in a case (similar to Pelican), no problems. Video looks great though!
That was the nice thing about the ChaseCam recorder, we solid-mounted it to The GraveDigger monster truck and it never fazed it, even after a crash :)[/QUOTE]
mounting the recorder has been an issue.
Right now I've got it stuffed into a soft case that I put between the seats. Not the most stable setup.
I need to make a hard case filled with foam, but I haven't done it yet. Heck, it took me almost all season just to get the bullet cam wired in.
That was the nice thing about the ChaseCam recorder, we solid-mounted it to The GraveDigger monster truck and it never fazed it, even after a crash :)[/QUOTE]
mounting the recorder has been an issue.
Right now I've got it stuffed into a soft case that I put between the seats. Not the most stable setup.
I need to make a hard case filled with foam, but I haven't done it yet. Heck, it took me almost all season just to get the bullet cam wired in.
| JamesWilson | 12-12-2007 11:55 PM |
I built such a case, and can duplicate easily if necessary :) PM sent.
| PossumK | 12-13-2007 02:35 PM |
James, do you mount the padded case within reach of the driver's seat? I'm assuming you're taking the Aiptek out to start and stop recording before and after each run.
| JamesWilson | 12-13-2007 04:14 PM |
[quote=PossumK;20381723]James, do you mount the padded case within reach of the driver's seat? I'm assuming you're taking the Aiptek out to start and stop recording before and after each run.[/quote]
Yes, that can be done. When autocrossing I just wedge the Aiptek in the joint of the passenger seatback and base, accessable and no damage. The box is used for wet applications or really heavy vibration. My ChaseCam PDR100 is solid-mounted to the center console, just to the passenger side of the Shifter for easy reach.
You still need to pull the Aiptek out of the box to start/stop the recording though.
Yes, that can be done. When autocrossing I just wedge the Aiptek in the joint of the passenger seatback and base, accessable and no damage. The box is used for wet applications or really heavy vibration. My ChaseCam PDR100 is solid-mounted to the center console, just to the passenger side of the Shifter for easy reach.
You still need to pull the Aiptek out of the box to start/stop the recording though.
| X-Rex | 12-15-2007 09:41 AM |
so about the optical vs digital image stabilization...
theoretically optical is better but digital has less vibration as has been stated already, but isn't post-editing software capable of "stabilizing" the image anyway? I guess the point behind my question is that digital stabilization cuts parts of the image off to make it "stable" but optical doesn't, so with digital you theoretically are losing the edges of what you're filming. However, even if optical can't keep up with vibrations, editing software will be able to fix this afterward
I guess it's a moot point really but I've just been able to find some nice camcorder options but they all have optical image stabilization
theoretically optical is better but digital has less vibration as has been stated already, but isn't post-editing software capable of "stabilizing" the image anyway? I guess the point behind my question is that digital stabilization cuts parts of the image off to make it "stable" but optical doesn't, so with digital you theoretically are losing the edges of what you're filming. However, even if optical can't keep up with vibrations, editing software will be able to fix this afterward
I guess it's a moot point really but I've just been able to find some nice camcorder options but they all have optical image stabilization
| mav1c | 12-15-2007 09:55 AM |
I don't know of any software that will take out the image vibration. If you find one, let me know. Even if there is one out there, it's probably doing something similar to what digital stabilization would do in the first place.
[QUOTE=X-Rex;20402495]so about the optical vs digital image stabilization...
theoretically optical is better but digital has less vibration as has been stated already, but isn't post-editing software capable of "stabilizing" the image anyway? I guess the point behind my question is that digital stabilization cuts parts of the image off to make it "stable" but optical doesn't, so with digital you theoretically are losing the edges of what you're filming. However, even if optical can't keep up with vibrations, editing software will be able to fix this afterward
I guess it's a moot point really but I've just been able to find some nice camcorder options but they all have optical image stabilization[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=X-Rex;20402495]so about the optical vs digital image stabilization...
theoretically optical is better but digital has less vibration as has been stated already, but isn't post-editing software capable of "stabilizing" the image anyway? I guess the point behind my question is that digital stabilization cuts parts of the image off to make it "stable" but optical doesn't, so with digital you theoretically are losing the edges of what you're filming. However, even if optical can't keep up with vibrations, editing software will be able to fix this afterward
I guess it's a moot point really but I've just been able to find some nice camcorder options but they all have optical image stabilization[/QUOTE]
| Patrick Olsen | 08-02-2009 06:05 PM |
Reviving an old, old thread, since I didn't find any others about "chase" or "chasecam".
I bought a 2-camera ChaseCam setup towards the end of last year. Unfortunately, having been at sea for much of the time since I bought the setup, I've only had one opportunity to use it. I received the package only 2 days or so before the track event, so I had no idea how to set the damn thing up until I got to the track and started reading the various instructions. Needless to say, the video quality suffered! :p
One thing I've figured out is that I need some sort of monitor to use at the track so I can be sure the cameras are pointed where I want them to be pointing. I would've just used my old Sony Digital8 camera, but that was stolen when my house was broken into back in January (congrats, thieves, you got a 9yo ancient technology videocam!!! ) My ~4-year-old Samsung 10" DVD player has a mini-AV input/ouput, which should work (according to the instruction manual), but it appears to be dead. It won't display anything when I try to hook the PDR100 to it, and I just tried hooking it up to my home stereo system and it's showing a whole lotta nuthin'. :unimpressed: I know the PDR100's output jack is working, because I was able to hook it up to my TV and that worked just fine.
So, does anyone have any easy/cheap options for a small monitor to aim the cameras? I just checked Best Buy and the cheapest portable DVD player with an AV input is $150. Looking at Ebay now to see about what other options I can find - portable DVD player, portable TV/LCD screen, whatever.
Thanks!
Pat Olsen
I bought a 2-camera ChaseCam setup towards the end of last year. Unfortunately, having been at sea for much of the time since I bought the setup, I've only had one opportunity to use it. I received the package only 2 days or so before the track event, so I had no idea how to set the damn thing up until I got to the track and started reading the various instructions. Needless to say, the video quality suffered! :p
One thing I've figured out is that I need some sort of monitor to use at the track so I can be sure the cameras are pointed where I want them to be pointing. I would've just used my old Sony Digital8 camera, but that was stolen when my house was broken into back in January (congrats, thieves, you got a 9yo ancient technology videocam!!! ) My ~4-year-old Samsung 10" DVD player has a mini-AV input/ouput, which should work (according to the instruction manual), but it appears to be dead. It won't display anything when I try to hook the PDR100 to it, and I just tried hooking it up to my home stereo system and it's showing a whole lotta nuthin'. :unimpressed: I know the PDR100's output jack is working, because I was able to hook it up to my TV and that worked just fine.
So, does anyone have any easy/cheap options for a small monitor to aim the cameras? I just checked Best Buy and the cheapest portable DVD player with an AV input is $150. Looking at Ebay now to see about what other options I can find - portable DVD player, portable TV/LCD screen, whatever.
Thanks!
Pat Olsen
| fliz | 08-02-2009 06:27 PM |
Try a cheapo flash vidcam.
Here's a refurb one at BB for $80.
[url]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9430975&type=product&id=1218104303056[/url]
Here's a refurb one at BB for $80.
[url]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9430975&type=product&id=1218104303056[/url]
| Patrick Olsen | 08-03-2009 09:38 AM |
[quote=fliz;27642890]Try a cheapo flash vidcam. Here's a refurb one at BB for $80.
[url]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9430975&type=product&id=1218104303056[/url][/quote]
Ahh, not a bad idea. I'll have to swing back by BB and make sure it looks like it'll do what I need it to do.
Pat
[url]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9430975&type=product&id=1218104303056[/url][/quote]
Ahh, not a bad idea. I'll have to swing back by BB and make sure it looks like it'll do what I need it to do.
Pat
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