| rc1320 | 08-06-2006 01:03 AM |
Did you take this shot? If so, what camera are you using and lense as well?
| Porsche914boxer4 | 08-06-2006 01:15 AM |
Mopho, you of all people I would think wouldn't make such a wacko post.
Do you dummies actually think that someone can plan to blow a bead and roll? I was there and I can tell you exactly why he came into the landing off of center. Coming off the jump you could easily shave off 2 seconds from your time by either slowing considerably for the jump - and risk doing what Doug Shepard did and actually falling between the two jumps - or land at an angle to the right so you could cut the corner and start moving towards the next corner without undue delay. Believe it or not, there are drivers who can set up jumps so they land at an angle and better suited for the next corner, which is exactly what he was doing.
And all this 'Colin had such a lead, why did he push it' guys - do you think that he could possibly anticipate how far ahead or behind he would be from Travis in the super special at those last corners? When your closest competitor is a second behind you going into a two minute super special, you fight for every second. And especially for Colin.
Eli
Do you dummies actually think that someone can plan to blow a bead and roll? I was there and I can tell you exactly why he came into the landing off of center. Coming off the jump you could easily shave off 2 seconds from your time by either slowing considerably for the jump - and risk doing what Doug Shepard did and actually falling between the two jumps - or land at an angle to the right so you could cut the corner and start moving towards the next corner without undue delay. Believe it or not, there are drivers who can set up jumps so they land at an angle and better suited for the next corner, which is exactly what he was doing.
And all this 'Colin had such a lead, why did he push it' guys - do you think that he could possibly anticipate how far ahead or behind he would be from Travis in the super special at those last corners? When your closest competitor is a second behind you going into a two minute super special, you fight for every second. And especially for Colin.
Eli
| esteve | 08-06-2006 01:20 AM |
[QUOTE=psg]X-Games rally was awesome. Open paddock, pictures and autographs of McRae, Grist, et al. Pictures to come later.
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Yeah, the X Games rally rocked! I got an autographed hat and poster from Travis Pastrana, met Pat Richard (great guy and his sister is pretty hot!), saw McRae and Grist up close, and the open paddock was great. X Games did a great job of making everything accessible to the fans.
I thought Travis is a clever guy the way he took the jump. He did a baby jump and cut the course short while most of the other guys took the long way. Laggaman took the most scenic route taking out all the foam blocks! Ken Block was awesome the way he took the jump, I'm sure he knew he was losing time but it looked like he wanted to put on a great aerial show for the fans! And of course the spectacular McRae, what an event!
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Yeah, the X Games rally rocked! I got an autographed hat and poster from Travis Pastrana, met Pat Richard (great guy and his sister is pretty hot!), saw McRae and Grist up close, and the open paddock was great. X Games did a great job of making everything accessible to the fans.
I thought Travis is a clever guy the way he took the jump. He did a baby jump and cut the course short while most of the other guys took the long way. Laggaman took the most scenic route taking out all the foam blocks! Ken Block was awesome the way he took the jump, I'm sure he knew he was losing time but it looked like he wanted to put on a great aerial show for the fans! And of course the spectacular McRae, what an event!
| rc1320 | 08-06-2006 01:21 AM |
[img]http://media.carster.com/photos/15044/629-186-234-508-9387-m575.jpg[/img]
| rc1320 | 08-06-2006 01:23 AM |
I don't think it was on purpose at all. Here is the consequence of a short jump.
[img]http://media.carster.com/photos/15044/654-993-231-365-9386-m575.jpg[/img]
[img]http://media.carster.com/photos/15044/654-993-231-365-9386-m575.jpg[/img]
| Kitsune | 08-06-2006 01:27 AM |
[QUOTE=280hpwrx]Pastrana winning and McRae finishing like THAT will do more for rallying in the US than if McRae had won it outright.
Awesome finish.....can't wait for next year's X-Games WITH Rally
Hearing the crowd roar when he rolled it and roaring louder when he punched it to the finish made my hair stand up.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I do not want someone crashing a car to do anything for rally as a sport. If people come out to the woods cause they want to see someone crash, that is not a fan I'd want for myself or the sport.
I totally aggree it was very exciting, and it is exciting to see people crash and get right back on the throttle and finish. But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there. So when they crash, they have to pay for it out of pocket, they can't go to Sobe or Red Bull or whatever energy drink company and ask for more money.
And Pastrana has won one Rally America rally event in the last two(?) years, because he won gold at the X-Games does not make him worthy of a WRC ride.
Awesome finish.....can't wait for next year's X-Games WITH Rally
Hearing the crowd roar when he rolled it and roaring louder when he punched it to the finish made my hair stand up.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I do not want someone crashing a car to do anything for rally as a sport. If people come out to the woods cause they want to see someone crash, that is not a fan I'd want for myself or the sport.
I totally aggree it was very exciting, and it is exciting to see people crash and get right back on the throttle and finish. But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there. So when they crash, they have to pay for it out of pocket, they can't go to Sobe or Red Bull or whatever energy drink company and ask for more money.
And Pastrana has won one Rally America rally event in the last two(?) years, because he won gold at the X-Games does not make him worthy of a WRC ride.
| Mrsir | 08-06-2006 01:34 AM |
[quote]But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there.[/quote]
If the sport were to become more popular in the united states + more television coverage, generally sponsors follow :P
If the sport were to become more popular in the united states + more television coverage, generally sponsors follow :P
| MikeWRX-NJ | 08-06-2006 01:35 AM |
It was great to see rally on ABC, a broadcast network. I really hope this spurs more people into the sport.
Just goes to show how awesome McRae is, he rolls the car and only loses by less than half a second. If he didn't roll he would have had 2 seconds on Pastrana. Very exciting.
Just goes to show how awesome McRae is, he rolls the car and only loses by less than half a second. If he didn't roll he would have had 2 seconds on Pastrana. Very exciting.
| matt30 | 08-06-2006 01:36 AM |
But the thing is, the crowd cheered louder when they saw McRae was still in the race. No one, not even the x-games fans want to see a good race go down the tubes because of a roll over. It's triumph over adversity that makes the sport worthwhile.
And Pastrana definitely has the skill for jWRC, enough to work his way up.
"But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there."
In Rally America, yes; WRC certainly not.
And Pastrana definitely has the skill for jWRC, enough to work his way up.
"But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there."
In Rally America, yes; WRC certainly not.
| WRXedUSA | 08-06-2006 01:38 AM |
[QUOTE=STiMULi]Now the Show is over we can release a few shots...
[IMG]http://tronyx.com/images/IMG_5118.JPG[/IMG]
[IMG]http://tronyx.com/images/IMG_130.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Poor Doug & Pete.
[IMG]http://tronyx.com/images/IMG_5118.JPG[/IMG]
[IMG]http://tronyx.com/images/IMG_130.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Poor Doug & Pete.
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 01:44 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Poor Doug & Pete.[/QUOTE]
Amen, I feel real bad for them. So much time, money and effort and they got 3 seconds of airtime from a helicopter 40 miles away. Same for Nichols and the Stud Bug, but atleast they didn't trash thier car in the process.
Amen, I feel real bad for them. So much time, money and effort and they got 3 seconds of airtime from a helicopter 40 miles away. Same for Nichols and the Stud Bug, but atleast they didn't trash thier car in the process.
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 01:48 AM |
i remember colin always being a bit crooked in the air and always trying to angle the landing better for the next corner.
there is no way he did that on purpose. in the pics from the practice sessions he was landing hard on the right front.
there is no way he did that on purpose. in the pics from the practice sessions he was landing hard on the right front.
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 01:50 AM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]Why? It was not a real rally, it was made for TV. It is totally conceivable that it was intentional.
A) How many times had he driven the course? He had that corner down pretty well
B) He was well ahead of Travis, he had to know by how much since they had Travis' time before they started the stage. There was no reason to push it over the jump
C) The X Games has become the Travis Pastrana show
D) Rolling out of contention while having a big lead like he did was a good way to let Travis win and still keep his reputation of being fast (and spectacular)
Not saying I necessarily believe it (we will likely never know will we?), but it [i]is[/i] a possibility[/QUOTE]
Oh come on Morgan, you honestly think Colin and Nicky would (even in bizarro world) risk thier lives, and the lives of the workers who were mere feet from them for the sake of boosting Travis' image? Please..
You of all people should know how dangerous being near a rolling car is..
A) How many times had he driven the course? He had that corner down pretty well
B) He was well ahead of Travis, he had to know by how much since they had Travis' time before they started the stage. There was no reason to push it over the jump
C) The X Games has become the Travis Pastrana show
D) Rolling out of contention while having a big lead like he did was a good way to let Travis win and still keep his reputation of being fast (and spectacular)
Not saying I necessarily believe it (we will likely never know will we?), but it [i]is[/i] a possibility[/QUOTE]
Oh come on Morgan, you honestly think Colin and Nicky would (even in bizarro world) risk thier lives, and the lives of the workers who were mere feet from them for the sake of boosting Travis' image? Please..
You of all people should know how dangerous being near a rolling car is..
| Vagrant Nova | 08-06-2006 01:51 AM |
Oh God, I haven't heard this much sports conspiracy racket since the Rams lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl after 9/11.
Hey, he was a mere half a second behind Pastrana even after the roll. Would've been amazing to still have McRae win through the roll.
Hey, he was a mere half a second behind Pastrana even after the roll. Would've been amazing to still have McRae win through the roll.
| Boxologist | 08-06-2006 01:52 AM |
just remember that if McCrash didn't roll he beats Pastrana by 5 seconds on a 2 minute course.
didn't Pastrana compete in FIA Rally Mexico this year?
while everyone that competed this week impressed me, and most of all Pastrana (on his pure ability), i still don't beleive that any of them would be competetive for a season FIA WRC. Loeb is winning handily in a vehicle that hasn't changed drastically in 5(?) years.
I did like that Xgames were all manuals and not the sequential gearboxes. I will enjoy if and when WRC goes back to that. I do wish that they had full telemetry like eurosport is provided by the WRC cars.
didn't Pastrana compete in FIA Rally Mexico this year?
while everyone that competed this week impressed me, and most of all Pastrana (on his pure ability), i still don't beleive that any of them would be competetive for a season FIA WRC. Loeb is winning handily in a vehicle that hasn't changed drastically in 5(?) years.
I did like that Xgames were all manuals and not the sequential gearboxes. I will enjoy if and when WRC goes back to that. I do wish that they had full telemetry like eurosport is provided by the WRC cars.
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 01:55 AM |
[QUOTE=Porsche914boxer4]Mopho, you of all people I would think wouldn't make such a wacko post.
Do you dummies actually think that someone can plan to blow a bead and roll? I was there and I can tell you exactly why he came into the landing off of center. Coming off the jump you could easily shave off 2 seconds from your time by either slowing considerably for the jump - and risk doing what Doug Shepard did and actually falling between the two jumps - or land at an angle to the right so you could cut the corner and start moving towards the next corner without undue delay. Believe it or not, there are drivers who can set up jumps so they land at an angle and better suited for the next corner, which is exactly what he was doing.
And all this 'Colin had such a lead, why did he push it' guys - do you think that he could possibly anticipate how far ahead or behind he would be from Travis in the super special at those last corners? When your closest competitor is a second behind you going into a two minute super special, you fight for every second. And especially for Colin.
Eli[/QUOTE]
Shoooosh! I am trying to spread a conspiracy theory on the internet ;)
Do you dummies actually think that someone can plan to blow a bead and roll? I was there and I can tell you exactly why he came into the landing off of center. Coming off the jump you could easily shave off 2 seconds from your time by either slowing considerably for the jump - and risk doing what Doug Shepard did and actually falling between the two jumps - or land at an angle to the right so you could cut the corner and start moving towards the next corner without undue delay. Believe it or not, there are drivers who can set up jumps so they land at an angle and better suited for the next corner, which is exactly what he was doing.
And all this 'Colin had such a lead, why did he push it' guys - do you think that he could possibly anticipate how far ahead or behind he would be from Travis in the super special at those last corners? When your closest competitor is a second behind you going into a two minute super special, you fight for every second. And especially for Colin.
Eli[/QUOTE]
Shoooosh! I am trying to spread a conspiracy theory on the internet ;)
| Kitsune | 08-06-2006 01:55 AM |
[QUOTE=matt30]But the thing is, the crowd cheered louder when they saw McRae was still in the race. No one, not even the x-games fans want to see a good race go down the tubes because of a roll over. It's triumph over adversity that makes the sport worthwhile.
And Pastrana definitely has the skill for jWRC, enough to work his way up.
"But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there."
In Rally America, yes; WRC certainly not.[/QUOTE]
How many drivers in WRC do you think get paid to be there? There are six "factory" teams, with about two or three crews between them. And WRC events get up to 100 cars entered into them most of which are rallying on their own dime, or scrambling for sponsers. [I]Most[/I] people in FIA/WRC rally on their own dime.
Though, true enough, WRC makes American rally look like pissing into the wind,
And as far as rally ever being as popular as NASCAR here, just how afordable is NASCAR? And when one says NASCAR do you mean Winston Cup/Busch or do you mean the entire NASCAR infastructure? With its feeder systems and support series? Because thats what rally lacks in North America BIG TIME, feeder series and a coherent infastructure.
The X-Games event coverage was poor and did little to educate anyone on the sport. Watching the footage of Pastrana wrecking his car and then laughing about it is a goddamn joke. Then McCrash rolls on the last jump like the head-case he is...gargh.
When I see entry fees/etc fees for events go back to a reasoniable cost and consistent TV coverage, I'll praise the spectacle that was this years X-Games.
And Pastrana definitely has the skill for jWRC, enough to work his way up.
"But this is'nt NASCAR and most people are rallying on their own dime, not getting paid to be there."
In Rally America, yes; WRC certainly not.[/QUOTE]
How many drivers in WRC do you think get paid to be there? There are six "factory" teams, with about two or three crews between them. And WRC events get up to 100 cars entered into them most of which are rallying on their own dime, or scrambling for sponsers. [I]Most[/I] people in FIA/WRC rally on their own dime.
Though, true enough, WRC makes American rally look like pissing into the wind,
And as far as rally ever being as popular as NASCAR here, just how afordable is NASCAR? And when one says NASCAR do you mean Winston Cup/Busch or do you mean the entire NASCAR infastructure? With its feeder systems and support series? Because thats what rally lacks in North America BIG TIME, feeder series and a coherent infastructure.
The X-Games event coverage was poor and did little to educate anyone on the sport. Watching the footage of Pastrana wrecking his car and then laughing about it is a goddamn joke. Then McCrash rolls on the last jump like the head-case he is...gargh.
When I see entry fees/etc fees for events go back to a reasoniable cost and consistent TV coverage, I'll praise the spectacle that was this years X-Games.
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:02 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell]I don't think Pastrana would want to give up bikes completely. At least with Rally America he can do both.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
i dont know. on the show today he said that rally is where he wants to be.
he also said he wold never try the double backflip again now that he did it.
he is only 22.
i think he has a good shot at gettting in at least a PWRC car real soon.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
i dont know. on the show today he said that rally is where he wants to be.
he also said he wold never try the double backflip again now that he did it.
he is only 22.
i think he has a good shot at gettting in at least a PWRC car real soon.
| STiMULi | 08-06-2006 02:04 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]...because he won gold at the X-Games does not make him worthy of a WRC ride.[/QUOTE]
You must be confused. XGAMES is apples and WRC oranges. You can not compare the two. HOWEVER, winning a Rally America event is comparable to a WRC event. Since XGAMES Rally is a Rally America Event you are wrong. He will, when he is ready, be racing WRC.
What in your mind makes someone worthy of a WRC ride?
I'll bet money he is being groomed by Subaru right now for future events in the WRC.
You must be confused. XGAMES is apples and WRC oranges. You can not compare the two. HOWEVER, winning a Rally America event is comparable to a WRC event. Since XGAMES Rally is a Rally America Event you are wrong. He will, when he is ready, be racing WRC.
What in your mind makes someone worthy of a WRC ride?
I'll bet money he is being groomed by Subaru right now for future events in the WRC.
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 02:08 AM |
... just for clarification, Travis has never won a Rally America event (unless you count the X Games). He's won a USRC event, and taken plenty of Rally America podiums, but that's it so far.
| STi-MAN | 08-06-2006 02:08 AM |
I'm more then sure rally is going to be even bigger in the states because of the x games. Friends of mine that have no interest in cars at all have already shown interest after seeing what Mcrae pulled off. Also the local news just high lighted Mcrae, this is the sports review on regular TV news..
| AndrewSS | 08-06-2006 02:09 AM |
Great angle, what an amazing run :D
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 02:09 AM |
Do you have any shots of Iorio? I was bummed that I didn't get to see much of him..
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:13 AM |
[QUOTE=Boxologist]just remember that if McCrash didn't roll he beats Pastrana by 5 seconds on a 2 minute course.
didn't Pastrana compete in FIA Rally Mexico this year?
while everyone that competed this week impressed me, and most of all Pastrana (on his pure ability), i still don't beleive that any of them would be competetive for a season FIA WRC. Loeb is winning handily in a vehicle that hasn't changed drastically in 5(?) years.
I did like that Xgames were all manuals and not the sequential gearboxes. I will enjoy if and when WRC goes back to that. I do wish that they had full telemetry like eurosport is provided by the WRC cars.[/QUOTE]
nope he didnt run in mexico. but i think he was there. maybe did a recce pass.
didn't Pastrana compete in FIA Rally Mexico this year?
while everyone that competed this week impressed me, and most of all Pastrana (on his pure ability), i still don't beleive that any of them would be competetive for a season FIA WRC. Loeb is winning handily in a vehicle that hasn't changed drastically in 5(?) years.
I did like that Xgames were all manuals and not the sequential gearboxes. I will enjoy if and when WRC goes back to that. I do wish that they had full telemetry like eurosport is provided by the WRC cars.[/QUOTE]
nope he didnt run in mexico. but i think he was there. maybe did a recce pass.
| esteve | 08-06-2006 02:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Boxologist]just remember that if McCrash didn't roll he beats Pastrana by 5 seconds on a 2 minute course.
[/QUOTE]
So McRae had a 5 second lead going into the final stadium section?? If so, I'm really puzzled why he was so aggressive on the jump/hairpin section. He must've known how much of a lead he had. :confused:
The announcer said McRae was 1 second ahead as he came down the ramp into the stadium but if he only finished .5 seconds back, then it makes sense that he must've had a big lead. Damn, he was really flying! And what was he thinking?? Perhaps trying to make a statement with a huge margin of victory?
[/QUOTE]
So McRae had a 5 second lead going into the final stadium section?? If so, I'm really puzzled why he was so aggressive on the jump/hairpin section. He must've known how much of a lead he had. :confused:
The announcer said McRae was 1 second ahead as he came down the ramp into the stadium but if he only finished .5 seconds back, then it makes sense that he must've had a big lead. Damn, he was really flying! And what was he thinking?? Perhaps trying to make a statement with a huge margin of victory?
| Kitsune | 08-06-2006 02:16 AM |
[QUOTE=STiMULi]You must be confused. XGAMES is apples and WRC oranges. You can not compare the two. HOWEVER, winning a Rally America event is comparable to a WRC event. Since XGAMES Rally is a Rally America Event you are wrong. He will, when he is ready, be racing WRC.
What in your mind makes someone worthy of a WRC ride?
I'll bet money he is being groomed by Subaru right now for future events in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
I'll bet money that if Pastrana did not rally a Subaru, you wouldn't give a **** about his future WRC prospects.
Pastrana does not get paid to drive Subaru's semi-factory American rallycar. His sponsers pay for his ride.
Subaru has paid drivers around the world in FIA feeder series that they are grooming for WRC prospects. They also currently have a full roster of WRC-class drivers and plenty of top level drivers ready to sign if they get a chance.
In fact, a side note, Lagerman (Lageman?) was not paid to drive Subaru's full factory effort either. He paid to drive the car.
So in my mind, what makes someone worthy of a WRC ride? Driving talent. What is the reality of a WRC ride? WRC teams don't need American flash in the pan drivers that have'nt even won consistently in national North American events.
Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts.
Xeno: Thank you for the correction, I had thought it was a Rally America sanctioned event. This does led some aid to my point about the confusing structure of rally in the U.S. heh.
What in your mind makes someone worthy of a WRC ride?
I'll bet money he is being groomed by Subaru right now for future events in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
I'll bet money that if Pastrana did not rally a Subaru, you wouldn't give a **** about his future WRC prospects.
Pastrana does not get paid to drive Subaru's semi-factory American rallycar. His sponsers pay for his ride.
Subaru has paid drivers around the world in FIA feeder series that they are grooming for WRC prospects. They also currently have a full roster of WRC-class drivers and plenty of top level drivers ready to sign if they get a chance.
In fact, a side note, Lagerman (Lageman?) was not paid to drive Subaru's full factory effort either. He paid to drive the car.
So in my mind, what makes someone worthy of a WRC ride? Driving talent. What is the reality of a WRC ride? WRC teams don't need American flash in the pan drivers that have'nt even won consistently in national North American events.
Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts.
Xeno: Thank you for the correction, I had thought it was a Rally America sanctioned event. This does led some aid to my point about the confusing structure of rally in the U.S. heh.
| matt30 | 08-06-2006 02:17 AM |
I wonder if anyone can dig up the ratings of X-Games rally coverage. Even better would be a comparison of ratings between the events. Knowing ABC they'll probably hide them.
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:17 AM |
i am glad to see that Christian got a medal too. i was afraid he was gonna end up like chewbacca.
| g35sedamn | 08-06-2006 02:21 AM |
heres a few pics i shot of mcrae and his car, there will be a thread in members gallery sometime soon with all other pics from the event.
-Jon
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/flipsmall.jpg[/IMG]
and one of travis for the heck of it being that he did take the cake today.
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/pastrana1.jpg[/IMG]
-Jon
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/mcrae3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/flipsmall.jpg[/IMG]
and one of travis for the heck of it being that he did take the cake today.
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/import2nr88/pastrana1.jpg[/IMG]
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:22 AM |
[QUOTE=aspiringrex][img]http://media.carster.com/photos/15044/339-526-381-527-9381-m575.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
it's just a little dirty, its still good. its just a little airborne, its still good.
it's just a little dirty, its still good. its just a little airborne, its still good.
| DrBiggly | 08-06-2006 02:22 AM |
The more hilarious things I noted were this:
1) McRae said "Yeah, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be" in the middle of the regular rally stages. He started turning it up and catching Pastrana after that.
2) The girl reporter was really concerned after they had rolled the car and asked "OMG are you all right???" McRae shrugged it off as he well should have given that he's had far more spectacular wrecks, although the X-Games regulars likely have never seen anything like it and had no clue that he wasn't only just fine, but it didn't even phase him in the slightest. :lol:
3) I was glad to note that Pastrana gave a lot of credit to McRae with a phrase along the lines of "That guy is a rally GOD! He didn't even slow down with the roll!!" :lol:
Personally I thought it was all really great, having never been a particular fan of the X-Games before. It's quite a highlight and will likely generate some buzz about rally here in the US for a while.
-Biggly
1) McRae said "Yeah, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be" in the middle of the regular rally stages. He started turning it up and catching Pastrana after that.
2) The girl reporter was really concerned after they had rolled the car and asked "OMG are you all right???" McRae shrugged it off as he well should have given that he's had far more spectacular wrecks, although the X-Games regulars likely have never seen anything like it and had no clue that he wasn't only just fine, but it didn't even phase him in the slightest. :lol:
3) I was glad to note that Pastrana gave a lot of credit to McRae with a phrase along the lines of "That guy is a rally GOD! He didn't even slow down with the roll!!" :lol:
Personally I thought it was all really great, having never been a particular fan of the X-Games before. It's quite a highlight and will likely generate some buzz about rally here in the US for a while.
-Biggly
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:27 AM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]The more hilarious things I noted were this:
1) McRae said "Yeah, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be" in the middle of the regular rally stages. He started turning it up and catching Pastrana after that.
2) The girl reporter was really concerned after they had rolled the car and asked "OMG are you all right???" McRae shrugged it off as he well should have given that he's had far more spectacular wrecks, although the X-Games regulars likely have never seen anything like it and had no clue that he wasn't only just fine, but it didn't even phase him in the slightest. :lol:
3) I was glad to note that Pastrana gave a lot of credit to McRae with a phrase along the lines of "That guy is a rally GOD! He didn't even slow down with the roll!!" :lol:
Personally I thought it was all really great, having never been a particular fan of the X-Games before. It's quite a highlight and will likely generate some buzz about rally here in the US for a while.
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
you should see the injuries these kids are getting at the x games.
dave mirra has a serious laceration on his liver from his crash.
1) McRae said "Yeah, it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be" in the middle of the regular rally stages. He started turning it up and catching Pastrana after that.
2) The girl reporter was really concerned after they had rolled the car and asked "OMG are you all right???" McRae shrugged it off as he well should have given that he's had far more spectacular wrecks, although the X-Games regulars likely have never seen anything like it and had no clue that he wasn't only just fine, but it didn't even phase him in the slightest. :lol:
3) I was glad to note that Pastrana gave a lot of credit to McRae with a phrase along the lines of "That guy is a rally GOD! He didn't even slow down with the roll!!" :lol:
Personally I thought it was all really great, having never been a particular fan of the X-Games before. It's quite a highlight and will likely generate some buzz about rally here in the US for a while.
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
you should see the injuries these kids are getting at the x games.
dave mirra has a serious laceration on his liver from his crash.
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 02:31 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]you should see the injuries these kids are getting at the x games.
dave mirra has a serious laceration on his liver from his crash.[/QUOTE]
I went to the freestyle moto x comp this evening. I watched 6 riders, three were carried out of there with injuries
dave mirra has a serious laceration on his liver from his crash.[/QUOTE]
I went to the freestyle moto x comp this evening. I watched 6 riders, three were carried out of there with injuries
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]I'll bet money that if Pastrana did not rally a Subaru, you wouldn't give a **** about his future WRC prospects.
Pastrana does not get paid to drive Subaru's semi-factory American rallycar. His sponsers pay for his ride.
Subaru has paid drivers around the world in FIA feeder series that they are grooming for WRC prospects. They also currently have a full roster of WRC-class drivers and plenty of top level drivers ready to sign if they get a chance.
In fact, a side note, Lagerman (Lageman?) was not paid to drive Subaru's full factory effort either. He paid to drive the car.
So in my mind, what makes someone worthy of a WRC ride? Driving talent. What is the reality of a WRC ride? WRC teams don't need American flash in the pan drivers that have'nt even won consistently in national North American events.
Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts.
Xeno: Thank you for the correction, I had thought it was a Rally America sanctioned event. This does led some aid to my point about the confusing structure of rally in the U.S. heh.[/QUOTE]
he won rim of the world this year. that is a pretty big win at a very tough car breaking rally.
i am not on his nuts.
i would be just as excited if he were in a mitsu.
the kid has skills.
and most of the PWRC drivers are not getting paid by subaru either. their sponsors are footing the bill there too, not subaru.
if he ran in PWRC it would be on his own dime too i would imagine.
the kid is skilled. and fearless. he was a very dangerous competitor at the X games. he had nothing to loose. if he lost he lost to colin mcrae. if he won he beat colin mcrea. it was a total win, win situation for him.
Pastrana does not get paid to drive Subaru's semi-factory American rallycar. His sponsers pay for his ride.
Subaru has paid drivers around the world in FIA feeder series that they are grooming for WRC prospects. They also currently have a full roster of WRC-class drivers and plenty of top level drivers ready to sign if they get a chance.
In fact, a side note, Lagerman (Lageman?) was not paid to drive Subaru's full factory effort either. He paid to drive the car.
So in my mind, what makes someone worthy of a WRC ride? Driving talent. What is the reality of a WRC ride? WRC teams don't need American flash in the pan drivers that have'nt even won consistently in national North American events.
Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts.
Xeno: Thank you for the correction, I had thought it was a Rally America sanctioned event. This does led some aid to my point about the confusing structure of rally in the U.S. heh.[/QUOTE]
he won rim of the world this year. that is a pretty big win at a very tough car breaking rally.
i am not on his nuts.
i would be just as excited if he were in a mitsu.
the kid has skills.
and most of the PWRC drivers are not getting paid by subaru either. their sponsors are footing the bill there too, not subaru.
if he ran in PWRC it would be on his own dime too i would imagine.
the kid is skilled. and fearless. he was a very dangerous competitor at the X games. he had nothing to loose. if he lost he lost to colin mcrae. if he won he beat colin mcrea. it was a total win, win situation for him.
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:36 AM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]I went to the freestyle moto x comp this evening. I watched 6 riders, three were carried out of there with injuries[/QUOTE]
how did travis do?
that is a fun event to watch.
too bad kenny got hurt.
how did travis do?
that is a fun event to watch.
too bad kenny got hurt.
| STiMULi | 08-06-2006 02:42 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]I'll bet money that if Pastrana did not rally a Subaru, you wouldn't give a **** about his future WRC prospects.[/QUOTE]
I follow Rally. Rally America, USRC, IRC, British RallyCross, Autrailian Rally, Dakar, blah blah blah. I have been following Rally before you could buy a WRX, before the Porsche 959 and before the Quattro. The fact he drives a Subaru and I happen to own one is great but I see talent and I look forward for some catalyst to bring back WRC to the US. I think we saw it this week.
[QUOTE=Kitsune]Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts. [/QUOTE]
I think you are mistaking my enthusiasm for something you want to do.
[QUOTE][COLOR=White].
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. Kiss my Ass.
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[/QUOTE]
Here is a couple of other photos....
[IMG]http://www.tronyx.com/images/IMG_5136.JPG[/IMG]
[B]Powerline Road[/B]
[IMG]http://www.tronyx.com/images/IMG_5151.JPG[/IMG]
[B]Freeman Canyon Road[/B]
I follow Rally. Rally America, USRC, IRC, British RallyCross, Autrailian Rally, Dakar, blah blah blah. I have been following Rally before you could buy a WRX, before the Porsche 959 and before the Quattro. The fact he drives a Subaru and I happen to own one is great but I see talent and I look forward for some catalyst to bring back WRC to the US. I think we saw it this week.
[QUOTE=Kitsune]Seriously, get off Pastrana's nuts. [/QUOTE]
I think you are mistaking my enthusiasm for something you want to do.
[QUOTE][COLOR=White].
.
. Kiss my Ass.
.[/COLOR]
[/QUOTE]
Here is a couple of other photos....
[IMG]http://www.tronyx.com/images/IMG_5136.JPG[/IMG]
[B]Powerline Road[/B]
[IMG]http://www.tronyx.com/images/IMG_5151.JPG[/IMG]
[B]Freeman Canyon Road[/B]
| psg | 08-06-2006 02:42 AM |
Myself and a couple other guys from the forums were sitting at the finish line, first row. I'm going to be cleaning dust out of my body for the next few days. I even got sprayed by some dirt by guys who took the creative line to the finish. I'm hoping to see some TV coverage so I can see if I made it on the telly.
And Mopho, I concur about your points earlier about McRae's roll. McRae took the jump perfectly the first time, and hit the hairpin better than any other competitor by a mile. He looked miles better than everyone else on the short dirt section and tarmac. I wouldn't be surprised if the spectacular off on the second stadium jump wasn't planned (i.e. what Colin was here to do; make noise, news, and look good). Of course, you're never going to get anyone to admit that. Nicky Grist kept a straight face when I asked him about it afterwards. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but McRae took that last jump much differently than he had all week, including earlier in the run.
That said, I will not complain about how entertaining all of it was, no matter what the rally purists thought of it.
And Mopho, I concur about your points earlier about McRae's roll. McRae took the jump perfectly the first time, and hit the hairpin better than any other competitor by a mile. He looked miles better than everyone else on the short dirt section and tarmac. I wouldn't be surprised if the spectacular off on the second stadium jump wasn't planned (i.e. what Colin was here to do; make noise, news, and look good). Of course, you're never going to get anyone to admit that. Nicky Grist kept a straight face when I asked him about it afterwards. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but McRae took that last jump much differently than he had all week, including earlier in the run.
That said, I will not complain about how entertaining all of it was, no matter what the rally purists thought of it.
| So Cal STI | 08-06-2006 02:42 AM |
I was there, and i enjoyed it for what it was, and what it was worth. Some coverage is better than no coverage at all. I think Pastrana was great, as with all the other American driver/co-drivers. I personally think that this is a step in the right direction for the sport of rallying in the US. I think if we have more Superspecials like this to EXPOSE rally more to the American public, I think it would be great. As to see McRae here to compete with us is so cool! To have someone to shoot for (peformance wise) I think is great for the sport and us rally fans as well. Who knows this may be the start of something big!
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 02:43 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]how did travis do?
that is a fun event to watch.
too bad kenny got hurt.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, he was the last one I watched, I could not bear to see more broken people being taken out of there, and the tricks all look the same after a bit
I'd assume he won, it is the Travis Pastrana show after all.
that is a fun event to watch.
too bad kenny got hurt.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, he was the last one I watched, I could not bear to see more broken people being taken out of there, and the tricks all look the same after a bit
I'd assume he won, it is the Travis Pastrana show after all.
| 23b_Rex | 08-06-2006 02:47 AM |
[img]http://www.eatingerdesign.com/images/mcrae.gif[/img]
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 02:55 AM |
as i have said i am not on travis' nuts. however, after seeing that double back flip i think he might have nuts big enough for all of us to ride on them.
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 02:58 AM |
[QUOTE=23b_Rex][img]http://www.eatingerdesign.com/images/mcrae.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Nice.
Nice.
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 03:00 AM |
[QUOTE=psg]Myself and a couple other guys from the forums were sitting at the finish line, first row. I'm going to be cleaning dust out of my body for the next few days. I even got sprayed by some dirt by guys who took the creative line to the finish. I'm hoping to see some TV coverage so I can see if I made it on the telly.
And Mopho, I concur about your points earlier about McRae's roll. McRae took the jump perfectly the first time, and hit the hairpin better than any other competitor by a mile. He looked miles better than everyone else on the short dirt section and tarmac. I wouldn't be surprised if the spectacular off on the second stadium jump wasn't planned (i.e. what Colin was here to do; make noise, news, and look good). Of course, you're never going to get anyone to admit that. Nicky Grist kept a straight face when I asked him about it afterwards. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but McRae took that last jump much differently than he had all week, including earlier in the run.
That said, I will not complain about how entertaining all of it was, no matter what the rally purists thought of it.[/QUOTE]
dont forget he had a lot more speed the second time. the pics from practice show him hitting the front right pretty hard. he also just came off of the pavement w/a ton of grip.
i think nicky was trying to keep a straight face becuse he didnt want to make a smartass comment about how he probably told colin he was a but "too hot."
he (nicky) had a similar reaction after the series of jumps in australia in years past.
And Mopho, I concur about your points earlier about McRae's roll. McRae took the jump perfectly the first time, and hit the hairpin better than any other competitor by a mile. He looked miles better than everyone else on the short dirt section and tarmac. I wouldn't be surprised if the spectacular off on the second stadium jump wasn't planned (i.e. what Colin was here to do; make noise, news, and look good). Of course, you're never going to get anyone to admit that. Nicky Grist kept a straight face when I asked him about it afterwards. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but McRae took that last jump much differently than he had all week, including earlier in the run.
That said, I will not complain about how entertaining all of it was, no matter what the rally purists thought of it.[/QUOTE]
dont forget he had a lot more speed the second time. the pics from practice show him hitting the front right pretty hard. he also just came off of the pavement w/a ton of grip.
i think nicky was trying to keep a straight face becuse he didnt want to make a smartass comment about how he probably told colin he was a but "too hot."
he (nicky) had a similar reaction after the series of jumps in australia in years past.
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 03:01 AM |
Is it possible that he just wasn't satisfied the first time through, and decided to try a different line? The 'He did it different the first time through.. OMG RIGGED!' theory is weak..
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 03:03 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Is it possible that he just wasn't satisfied the first time through, and decided to try a different line? The 'He did it different the first time through.. OMG RIGGED!' theory is weak..[/QUOTE]
angling the car in the air for a better line is a signature mcrea tactic. and it is a tactic that bites him in the butt every now and then, as we saw today.
tanner, lauchlin and choinere all did it too.
i was really impressed w/how fast paul was. as well as his jump out of the stadium. i dont think anyone hit that one harder than him.
angling the car in the air for a better line is a signature mcrea tactic. and it is a tactic that bites him in the butt every now and then, as we saw today.
tanner, lauchlin and choinere all did it too.
i was really impressed w/how fast paul was. as well as his jump out of the stadium. i dont think anyone hit that one harder than him.
| STiMULi | 08-06-2006 03:12 AM |
I am quoting someone else I read on the site yesterday...
[I]"At the moment he landed you could hear the sound of 2 big brass balls clacking together"[/I]
No doubt.
[I]"At the moment he landed you could hear the sound of 2 big brass balls clacking together"[/I]
No doubt.
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 03:16 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Is it possible that he just wasn't satisfied the first time through, and decided to try a different line? The 'He did it different the first time through.. OMG RIGGED!' theory is weak..[/QUOTE]
Is it possible that this was a "Made for TV" rally show designed to drum up interest in the sport and that a spectacle like this was just what the doctor ordered? It's all mighty convenient timing don't ya think?
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it!
Is it possible that this was a "Made for TV" rally show designed to drum up interest in the sport and that a spectacle like this was just what the doctor ordered? It's all mighty convenient timing don't ya think?
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it!
| XenoWolf | 08-06-2006 03:17 AM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]Is it possible that this was a "Made for TV" rally show designed to drum up interest in the sport and that a spectacle like this was just what the doctor ordered? It's all mighty convenient timing don't ya think?
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it![/QUOTE]
:mad:
Yes, it was a show.. not a rally. I'll acknowledge that, but I'll never accept (unless I hear it from thier mouths) that Colin and Nicky willingly risked lives and trashed a $200,000 car for the sake of the 'show'.
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it![/QUOTE]
:mad:
Yes, it was a show.. not a rally. I'll acknowledge that, but I'll never accept (unless I hear it from thier mouths) that Colin and Nicky willingly risked lives and trashed a $200,000 car for the sake of the 'show'.
| asaweld | 08-06-2006 03:18 AM |
here is a video of colin rolling it today, that I took
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhYzpPy-TM]COLIN ROLLOVER[/URL]
and some more pics [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14790105#post14790105]HERE[/URL]
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhYzpPy-TM]COLIN ROLLOVER[/URL]
and some more pics [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14790105#post14790105]HERE[/URL]
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 03:25 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]:mad:
Yes, it was a show.. not a rally. I'll acknowledge that, but I'll never accept (unless I hear it from thier mouths) that Colin and Nicky willingly risked lives and trashed a $200,000 car for the sake of the 'show'.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it happened right in front of me, it was a slow roll and the damage is just body panels. VT Car fixes damage like that in their sleep. And the only lives "risked" were the two camera men, who were well off to the side, out of the trajectory of the car and mostly blocked by the hill. For someone with a lot of experience (especially at crashing cars) it would be real easy to make the car go over like that
The only way we will know is if they release the in car video, if they swear out loud, then you know it was an accident
I bet Nicky had his arms crossed bracing for the roll before they even hit the jump! :devil:
Yes, it was a show.. not a rally. I'll acknowledge that, but I'll never accept (unless I hear it from thier mouths) that Colin and Nicky willingly risked lives and trashed a $200,000 car for the sake of the 'show'.[/QUOTE]
Dude, it happened right in front of me, it was a slow roll and the damage is just body panels. VT Car fixes damage like that in their sleep. And the only lives "risked" were the two camera men, who were well off to the side, out of the trajectory of the car and mostly blocked by the hill. For someone with a lot of experience (especially at crashing cars) it would be real easy to make the car go over like that
The only way we will know is if they release the in car video, if they swear out loud, then you know it was an accident
I bet Nicky had his arms crossed bracing for the roll before they even hit the jump! :devil:
| asaweld | 08-06-2006 03:30 AM |
:banana: here's another view.........
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhYzpPy-TM]colins rollover[/URL]
:banana:
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhYzpPy-TM]colins rollover[/URL]
:banana:
| greg donovan | 08-06-2006 03:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]Is it possible that this was a "Made for TV" rally show designed to drum up interest in the sport and that a spectacle like this was just what the doctor ordered? It's all mighty convenient timing don't ya think?
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it![/QUOTE]
why would you want to do that?
the internet doesnt need any help spreading garbage around.
I'm gonna make this theory spread damn it![/QUOTE]
why would you want to do that?
the internet doesnt need any help spreading garbage around.
| Kostamojen | 08-06-2006 03:40 AM |
FYI, Sportscenter on ESPN had a short highlight of the finish of the Rally.
| Mopho | 08-06-2006 03:41 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]why would you want to do that?
the internet doesnt need any help spreading garbage around.[/QUOTE]
Why not, most of what is posted on Nasioc is garbage, so what difference does it make?
Keep it in your pants chief, I am just winding you guys up because it is late and I am exhausted from trying to fight my way past the Gestapo security, awful music and crowds for a week
Just have to laugh because myself and some others were joking about a conspiracy before the event even started, and this just was too much :lol:
And BTW, looking at the pictures I took, Colin probably came close to rolling it first time over the jump
the internet doesnt need any help spreading garbage around.[/QUOTE]
Why not, most of what is posted on Nasioc is garbage, so what difference does it make?
Keep it in your pants chief, I am just winding you guys up because it is late and I am exhausted from trying to fight my way past the Gestapo security, awful music and crowds for a week
Just have to laugh because myself and some others were joking about a conspiracy before the event even started, and this just was too much :lol:
And BTW, looking at the pictures I took, Colin probably came close to rolling it first time over the jump
| Kitsune | 08-06-2006 03:41 AM |
[QUOTE=STiMULi]You must be confused. XGAMES is apples and WRC oranges. You can not compare the two. HOWEVER, winning a Rally America event is comparable to a WRC event. Since XGAMES Rally is a Rally America Event you are wrong. He will, when he is ready, be racing WRC.[/QUOTE]
Dude what? You just said X-Game is not the same as WRC, but that since it is Rally America, it is the same as WRC? And you are claiming to have followed rally since before I could buy a WRX...Uh, good for you you can afford an STi I guess?
Honestly, I read that as you saying the X-Games is the same as WRC, or, Rally America is the same as WRC? Make me understand what you mean here. :confused:
If you belive that X-games is the same as WRC, you are completely dillusional. If you think that Rally America is the same as WRC, then, maybe I could see why but would still disagree with that.
The talent pool of WRC is by far, by far larger then Rally America. Not there are not some amazing drivers here, but the lack of a coherent feeder system, exposure for feeder classes (like 2WD) means most people can not afford to rally enough to raise themselves to a level near WRC.
I totally admit, I am annoyed with the idea that it took such a spectacle at the X-Games to get people interested in rally as a sport and that people praise Pastrana constantly when there are tons of drivers out there that can and do run him down with less. Pastrana [I]is[/I] talented enough to rally and be competative. He also has a great ride and tons of sponsership cash, so he should be competative.
So good for him, he is a sly marketing man with some driving talent and lots of fans, but right now, he is a shark in a ever increasing shark pond, either you have to go big or not even bother showing up.
I'm pissed the sport is so disorganized, expensive and has been poorly managed. That it could not gain popularity just based on its merit as a sport. So, maybe Pastrana will help the [I]sport[/I] of rally grow, bring in sponsers so people won't have to shell out $1,000+ for a national event entry fee and can get exposure driving something other then an open class Subaru, then I'll get on his big brass nuts. :p
Side note Greg: I was'nt just refering to PWRC, though, I would imagine you are correct most people in that also pay their way and should correct myself. However, I do belive Subaru's talent pool is more focused on their FIA prospects not North America, as its historically been with other manufactures. Americans rarely get brought to Europe.
I will take my bitchyness elsewhere though. :P
Dude what? You just said X-Game is not the same as WRC, but that since it is Rally America, it is the same as WRC? And you are claiming to have followed rally since before I could buy a WRX...Uh, good for you you can afford an STi I guess?
Honestly, I read that as you saying the X-Games is the same as WRC, or, Rally America is the same as WRC? Make me understand what you mean here. :confused:
If you belive that X-games is the same as WRC, you are completely dillusional. If you think that Rally America is the same as WRC, then, maybe I could see why but would still disagree with that.
The talent pool of WRC is by far, by far larger then Rally America. Not there are not some amazing drivers here, but the lack of a coherent feeder system, exposure for feeder classes (like 2WD) means most people can not afford to rally enough to raise themselves to a level near WRC.
I totally admit, I am annoyed with the idea that it took such a spectacle at the X-Games to get people interested in rally as a sport and that people praise Pastrana constantly when there are tons of drivers out there that can and do run him down with less. Pastrana [I]is[/I] talented enough to rally and be competative. He also has a great ride and tons of sponsership cash, so he should be competative.
So good for him, he is a sly marketing man with some driving talent and lots of fans, but right now, he is a shark in a ever increasing shark pond, either you have to go big or not even bother showing up.
I'm pissed the sport is so disorganized, expensive and has been poorly managed. That it could not gain popularity just based on its merit as a sport. So, maybe Pastrana will help the [I]sport[/I] of rally grow, bring in sponsers so people won't have to shell out $1,000+ for a national event entry fee and can get exposure driving something other then an open class Subaru, then I'll get on his big brass nuts. :p
Side note Greg: I was'nt just refering to PWRC, though, I would imagine you are correct most people in that also pay their way and should correct myself. However, I do belive Subaru's talent pool is more focused on their FIA prospects not North America, as its historically been with other manufactures. Americans rarely get brought to Europe.
I will take my bitchyness elsewhere though. :P
| reallyslow | 08-06-2006 03:49 AM |
nice thread nick, dope pics ry! i want to see some piks of mills, is this in store ryan?? for me??
| STiMULi | 08-06-2006 07:27 AM |
[QUOTE=Kitsune]Dude what?
I will take my bitchyness elsewhere though. :P[/QUOTE]
Might as well... because all I actually read of your rant was what I quoted :)
I will take my bitchyness elsewhere though. :P[/QUOTE]
Might as well... because all I actually read of your rant was what I quoted :)
| supertikkigod | 08-06-2006 08:13 AM |
here are some nice shots from the s2ki forums
[url]http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=410979[/url]
[url]http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=410979[/url]
| meebs | 08-06-2006 09:38 AM |
The return of McCrash!
| Opie | 08-06-2006 10:24 AM |
X-Games Rally pics, vids & discussion thread.
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