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You might want one of these (cordless impact) now that they're on sale. part 3

fliz 03-20-2006 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]At what toruqe rating have you tried to remove? I.E. What were your lugs torques to?[/QUOTE]
I did two wheels torqued to 75 before it lost power and wouldn't do the last two.

I brought it fully-charged to a rally and it wouldn't remove any lugs torqued to 80.
ratt_finkel 03-20-2006 01:44 PM

I used this one yesterday.
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90798[/url]

Any reason I should go with the original one?
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92798[/url]

Neither can break the lugs loose. So what's the point with #2?
Pallendo 03-20-2006 02:13 PM

Well, since 1044 (in. / pounds) = 87 ft / pounds there's a reason that the second one is a better tool. Looks like the one you got is less than 1/2 of the take-off power than the stronger one.

-Peter
TyrannoSullyRex 03-20-2006 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]I used this one yesterday.
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=90798[/url]

Any reason I should go with the original one?
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92798[/url]

Neither can break the lugs loose. So what's the point with #2?[/QUOTE]
You can't back off the lugs with 220 ft/lbs? You're a little skinny to be putting lugs on that tight, unless you've got a 6 foot long cheater bar.
ratt_finkel 03-20-2006 02:23 PM

[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]You can't back off the lugs with 220 ft/lbs? You're a little skinny to be putting lugs on that tight, unless you've got a 6 foot long cheater bar.[/QUOTE]
220ft/lbs? Where did that come from? The guy above said he couldn't break the lugs loose at 85 ft/lbs with the more powerfull impact. So obviously, the less powerfull one couldn't.

My point is, since everyone is using a torque wrench after the fact. Why do you need a more powerfull one?
ratt_finkel 03-20-2006 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=Pallendo]Well, since 1044 (in. / pounds) = 87 ft / pounds there's a reason that the second one is a better tool. Looks like the one you got is less than 1/2 of the take-off power than the stronger one.

-Peter[/QUOTE]
Didn't buy it yet. Trying to make that determination right now.
PossumK 03-20-2006 02:32 PM

The second one (the same as from the first post), breaks my lug nuts torqued at 70 lb-ft. Works for a few sets of wheels before needing a recharge.
Tkacik 03-20-2006 02:38 PM

Would be worth having one of these in the trunk for flats even.


The price is right.
fliz 03-20-2006 02:54 PM

[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]You can't back off the lugs with 220 ft/lbs? You're a little skinny to be putting lugs on that tight, unless you've got a 6 foot long cheater bar.[/QUOTE]
There's NO WAY the 19.2V impact rated at 220 ft/lbs has anywhere close to that running in reverse.

It may torque that high when moving forward...but certainly not coming off.

I'm not the only one to have this experience.
MattSTi 03-20-2006 03:17 PM

Agreed. The 220ft/lbs must only be in forward. I haven't been able to loosen any lugs with this wrench, but it still is incredibly useful around the garage.

-Matt
thrdeye 03-20-2006 03:28 PM

Well, I am glad it won't break the lugs, that way I don't have to spend any money.

I'll stick with the breaker bar, cordless craftsman drill, and digitourque wrench.
InfamousDX 03-20-2006 03:42 PM

[QUOTE=STiMULi]I want one of these!

[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46299[/url]

"Need a Lift?"[/QUOTE]
Chandy69 here on NASIOC has a lift in his 3 garage house... that **** is AMAZING!!!
:banana:
TyrannoSullyRex 03-20-2006 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]220ft/lbs? Where did that come from? The guy above said he couldn't break the lugs loose at 85 ft/lbs with the more powerfull impact. So obviously, the less powerfull one couldn't.

My point is, since everyone is using a torque wrench after the fact. Why do you need a more powerfull one?[/QUOTE]
Now I understand what you were talking about, yeah, I guess it doesn't get the full grunt in reverse (maybe, who knows). But I've used my HF electric impact and taken wheels off and on my own car while letting two other people use it for the same thing for a two day event and it does fine.
ratt_finkel 03-20-2006 04:27 PM

Screw it, I'm just going to go with the big one.
slvrwgn 03-20-2006 05:42 PM

I torque my lugs to 70ftlbs and this wrench seems to break them fine. Granted, I have to hammer on it for a second, but it breaks 'em loose. I can do 4 wheels on one charge without a problem.

Matt-
trhoppe 03-20-2006 06:28 PM

What you guys are missing is that none of the impact guns in this thread are the same as the original $150 REAL 200ft lb impact gun that harbor freight USED to sell. It was 18V and it pulled anything off the car that I've tried. I used it for 2 or so years and everyone who bought that older one LOVED it. I guess they stopped carrying it?

-Tom
PossumK 03-20-2006 07:16 PM

I think they still carry it in the store. I didn't find it on their website though.
ratt_finkel 03-21-2006 05:13 PM

FYI, this is on backorder until 4-3-06.

[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92798[/url]

Which sucks because I would like to have something for AR. Guess I'll have to go with one of the lesser versions.
nhsilversti 03-21-2006 05:56 PM

have had mine for a while........still have not found anything useful to use it on. it gets to about 60ft lbs in forward. it is absolutely useless on lugs

ted
OMEGA SUPREME 03-21-2006 06:32 PM

Nice find!!
BigClunke 03-21-2006 10:33 PM

Has anyone tried one of these, I really need something that will take off lugs, The HF stuff seems to be a bit too weak, If I am understanding others experiences correctly. I mainly want this for HPDE repairs and quick garage toolin'.
[URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2467/cumminsimpact4vi.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
[url=http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,1281.htm][b][u]Cummins 24v impact wrench[/b][/u][/url]
Lachlan 03-21-2006 11:47 PM

The HF is 220 ft lbs, this one is only 240 ft lbs. An increase, but less than 10%
BigClunke 03-22-2006 01:52 AM

[QUOTE=Lachlan]The HF is 220 ft lbs, this one is only 240 ft lbs. An increase, but less than 10%[/QUOTE]
I'm quite aware of that; however, as it has been pointed out, that dosen't have much to do with reverse torque. most people are saying that the HF one can't take off lugs, I want something that can.
PossumK 03-22-2006 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=BigClunke]I'm quite aware of that; however, as it has been pointed out, that dosen't have much to do with reverse torque. most people are saying that the HF one can't take off lugs, I want something that can.[/QUOTE]

Who are most people? There are a few different Harbor Freight models being discussed in this thread.
fliz 03-22-2006 09:07 AM

[QUOTE=PossumK]Who are most people? There are a few different Harbor Freight models being discussed in this thread.[/QUOTE]
The 19.2V HF model for $69.99 that is rated at 220 ft/lbs does not reliably take off lug nuts. I'd put it's actual max torque somewhere in the 75-80ft/lb range.

Clunke - I don't have any expreience with that wrench, but if the 240 value is more accurate than the 19.2V HF model, then that seems like a good deal.
IBAUCLAPlaya 03-22-2006 01:16 PM

I have the $69.99 HF one and it takes my lugs off easily which are hand torqued down to 80 ft/lb.
PossumK 03-22-2006 02:03 PM

[QUOTE=fliz]The 19.2V HF model for $69.99 that is rated at 220 ft/lbs does not reliably take off lug nuts. I'd put it's actual max torque somewhere in the 75-80ft/lb range.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the torque, at least in the reverse direction, is not that high.

As a newb with a cordless impact, I found that I had to use a proper deep impact socket to reliably take off my lug nuts. When I first got the cheaper 19.2V Harbor Freight model, I couldn't take a single lug nut off using a regular short socket - I actually warped the socket and flattened the dome tip on a stock lug nut. I then tried the 3/4" short impact socket included with the wrench, and it worked to take off lug nuts but required a lot of banging while also flattening my lut nut tips. When I bought a 3/4" deep impact socket, lug nuts torqued at 70 ft-lbs were coming off pretty easily with about 1 second of banging from the wrench.
fliz 03-22-2006 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=PossumK]I agree that the torque, at least in the reverse direction, is not that high.

As a newb with a cordless impact, I found that I had to use a proper deep impact socket to reliably take off my lug nuts. When I first got the cheaper 19.2V Harbor Freight model, I couldn't take a single lug nut off using a regular short socket - I actually warped the socket and flattened the dome tip on a stock lug nut. I then tried the 3/4" short impact socket included with the wrench, and it worked to take off lug nuts but required a lot of banging while also flattening my lut nut tips. When I bought a 3/4" deep impact socket, lug nuts torqued at 70 ft-lbs were coming off pretty easily with about 1 second of banging from the wrench.[/QUOTE]
I've had the exact opposite experience.

I was trying to remove a nut with a deep impact socket, and it wouldn't budge. Then somebody handed me a regular depth impact socket, and it came right off.
CiViCKiDD 03-22-2006 04:03 PM

i've got a bolt for my civic's fuel filter that just won't come off by hand...this should be fine to use for this, right?
BigClunke 03-22-2006 06:22 PM

[QUOTE=CiViCKiDD]i've got a bolt for my civic's fuel filter that just won't come off by hand...this should be fine to use for this, right?[/QUOTE]
it seems hard to say, none of us know exactly what the reverse torque of these wrenches are or the torque spec of your civic fuel filter bolts; however, it is unlikely that the torque rating is really anywhere near 70ft/lbs, it is probably more like 30ft/lbs. I would hit it with some penetrating oil (like pb blaster) then use a breaker bar. You shouldn't really be using a socket wrench to break bolts loose anyways, you should invest in a proper breaker bar. to more directly answer your question; probably:p.
PossumK, I apologize for the ambiguity in my, "most people" statement, I am just responding to a seemingly general trend in this thread. "Most people" seem to be having problems with all of the HF impact wrenches. some models (like the one no longer online that was discussed earlier in the thread) seem to have a higher number of satisfied users, but I don't have much confidence with all of the variability.
With that being said, I ordered the Cummins impact and will report back about it.
BigClunke 03-28-2006 10:51 PM

as promised, I'm back to report on the cummins cordless impact wrench. The quality is really quite good, it feels solid and strong but, the one they shipped me was slate blue and more sporty/modern looking. It took the two lug nuts I tested off with no problem. On the box they show someone taking lug nuts off so I believe it would have to be engineered for that application on some level. it also had a nice surprise, It had three impact socket in the case which was nice, one of them fit my spline socket pretty well. The only disappointment was I purchased a rechargeable battery separately and it doesn�t fit the wrench as promised, it looks like there were some small changes to the battery post shape and it just doesn�t quite fit:(. I guess I'll be back to comment on how they are at handling returns... hopefully, that will give me a chance to give the wrench some more real world testing.
So far I'm quite happy with it, the quality seems comparable to the significantly more expensive wrenches at a fraction of the cost:banana:
ocwill 03-29-2006 08:29 PM

^^^
Did you get a different impact wrench? I got the one in the picture...the grey one. It came with no sockets. Part number #3080? I'm wondering if they shipped you a better model.

Will
BigClunke 03-29-2006 10:57 PM

The wrench I got is still part # 3080, but it is not the same color as the one on the website or that I posted earlier during the thread that was kind of tan colored. Mine is a light grey, under florescent lights I thought it was blue, but I looked at it again today and realized it wasn't really blue at all:lol: The sockets came in the lower right area of the case, it has squares that the ends of sockets can fit onto. I ordered some other stuff (back up 24v battery (doesn�t fit), set of 4 c-clamps (don't recommend, not awful), shop light (awful)) but I don't think they threw them in because the box was sealed, I probably just got lucky.
ocwill 03-30-2006 07:26 PM

You probably got the new version. Nice. I used mine today and it took off the lugs fine.

Will
trhoppe 05-16-2006 05:40 PM

Bump!

I've been looking for a new cordless impact. Found this
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4026[/url]

With this
[url]http://ww2.harborfreightusa.com/showpage_retail.taf?pageid=202&email[/url]

Its $199 for the same exact gun as the milwuakee [url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45461[/url]
with just a rebrand.

-Tom
BlueSTI4Me 05-16-2006 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=trhoppe]Bump!

I've been looking for a new cordless impact. Found this
[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=4026[/url]

With this
[url]http://ww2.harborfreightusa.com/showpage_retail.taf?pageid=202&email[/url]

Its $199 for the same exact gun as the milwuakee [url]http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45461[/url]
with just a rebrand.

-Tom[/QUOTE]


Really nice gun....I have it....but electrical problem at house blew the charger. Only way to get a replacement $90 from CP. :mad: Should I sell the gun, battery and case?????? Didn't check it before I filed the insurance claim....kinda pissed.....40 bucks for a charger and I'd be right on it.....thanks for reading me vent!

Blue
trhoppe 05-16-2006 07:21 PM

How much do you want for it?

-Tom
BlueSTI4Me 05-16-2006 07:45 PM

[QUOTE=trhoppe]How much do you want for it?

-Tom[/QUOTE]
Tom,
Venting more than anything....the gun is two seasons old...but just like new.
I"ll probably bit the bullet and buy another charger, cuz I wouldn't get what would make me happy for the gun, case and battery. But if any of you guys wanna donate your charger :D

Blue
angryfist 05-16-2006 09:39 PM

why buy this crap when you can have a snap-on!

$225 for the rebranded milwalkee with one battery
~$250 for a snap-on with one battery
~$320 for a snap-on with two batteries

Ebay is your friend ;)
BlueSTI4Me 05-16-2006 10:39 PM

Problem is already have a CP....ya wanna sponsor me a Snap-on?
And Snap-on is like BMW (Big Money Wasted) trust me, I've spent many a dead president in their court and Sears and Mac and S-K and Snap-on....No Matco though.

They are all the same....so spend the dead presidents where you can keep a few in your own pocket IMHO.

Blue

I'll stop going OT. :p
angryfist 05-17-2006 08:06 AM

i cant say anything about snap-on's power tools cause i wont have mine for a few more days, but i disagree with you that they are all the same.

I used to use craftsman stuff until i started working at a shop with snap-on stuff. now i have my own small set of snap-on tools. its worth the extra money to me. their hand tools are far superior to anything else i've used. (Matco is nice too)
trhoppe 05-17-2006 11:23 AM

[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/1-2-24-VOLTS-CORDLESS-IMPACT-WRENCH-WITH-2-BATTERIES_W0QQitemZ7619619485QQcategoryZ73110QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting[/url]

That looks 100% exactly like the old school Harbor Freight gun. That old school gun HAD 200ft lbs and worked like a champ for 2 years for me, until I lost the damn charger.

-Tom
BigClunke 05-17-2006 11:36 AM

Just an update on that cummins gun� It handled an involved track day, 4 wheels came off 4 times and it still was running like it was on a fresh charge. I don't know what it's going to take to run it out of juice, but I feel confident it's more than adequate for my needs. Plus, everyone at the track was jelous (that didn�t have a Ferrari and trailer, they were enjoying climate control and darts :lol: )
bknblk 05-17-2006 11:30 PM

Just to make this even more interesting... ;) I bought the $69 HF impact from this thread. Worked fine, took the lugs off/on the wife's car (flat tire on the side of the Kansas turnpike about 20 degrees outside) Took it to 100 AW didn't need it. 5 wheel rotation on the jeep...fine.

the third time I went to charge it, the battery melted! :eek: Leaked goo in the charger and melded them together :furious:

Took it to the local HF store, told the manager what happened and he said"oh that makes sense!" :confused: :confused:

"we just got a RECALL today and were told to pull all of them from the shelves, even if I had a battery and charger, I couldn't give it to you. I'll have to give you your money back."

They punch it up in the computer and it comes up as $9999.99 :banana: :disco: I said I'd take a check..or cash :D HE said that's how they marked the stuff they can't sell, but that they were $99.99.

I walked out with $107.xx :banana: :disco: item #92798, If you have one you should check this out!

Tony
trhoppe 05-17-2006 11:39 PM

So on a recommendation from rr-ax.com I got the GoodYear 24V one tonight at PepGirls. $99 and it comes with a decent thin walled impact 19mm socket. Took off the lugnuts like there was no tomorrow. We'll see how long it lasts, I've got 3 races in 3 days including an enduro next weekend, so there will be LOTS of tire changes :)

-Tom
PossumK 05-18-2006 12:33 AM

[QUOTE=bknblk]I walked out with $107.xx :banana: :disco: item #92798, If you have one you should check this out!

Tony[/QUOTE]

How old was your impact wrench? If there's a serious issue with these, I'd rather return mine, but I bought it in January.
shikataganai 05-18-2006 01:41 AM

i finally got my refund check for my HF (orange) cordless impact wrench... it never was strong enough to take off the lug nuts so i sent it back.
BlueSTI4Me 05-18-2006 09:35 PM

[QUOTE=angryfist]i cant say anything about snap-on's power tools cause i wont have mine for a few more days, but i disagree with you that they are all the same.

I used to use craftsman stuff until i started working at a shop with snap-on stuff. now i have my own small set of snap-on tools. its worth the extra money to me. their hand tools are far superior to anything else i've used. (Matco is nice too)[/QUOTE]

O-tay,

Shoulda known it was you >> (orange wheels).....did not look at your signature...

Blue......TAS in '04-05
IBAUCLAPlaya 05-30-2006 02:17 PM

Well my impact wrench broke (the one from this thread) and now Harbor Freight can't replace or fix it so I am looking for a new cordless impact wrench that is relatively cheap. Any recommendations?

PS: HF no longer even carries the impact gun pointed out in this thread.
trhoppe 05-30-2006 02:22 PM

GoodYear from pep boys for the win.

I picked it up last week, charged it at the house. So far I have done
2 wheel changes in the garage
4 wheel swaps on my car at the track
2 wheel swaps on miatas, and support in a rear diff change in a miata
2 wheel swaps on a golf
support for 3 cars in a 2 hour enduro

As long as this lasts for the rest of the season, the $90 price tag is WAY worth it.

-Tom
trhoppe 05-30-2006 02:22 PM

and by each wheel swap, I mean 4 wheels.

-Tom
WRX 2002 05-30-2006 02:57 PM

[QUOTE=trhoppe]and by each wheel swap, I mean 4 wheels.

-Tom[/QUOTE]

Single charge? :)
Joel Gat, 1.8L 05-30-2006 03:03 PM

Hello,
[QUOTE=WRX 2002]Single charge? :)[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha... that's how I read it, too :D

The real test for battery guns is "can they take the cam-pulley-to-cam bolts out of the cams," on an STI/LGT/FXT/WRX 2.5. I think the factory spec on those is about 500 ft-lbs with high temp loctite added. It's insane how hard those are - we broke the allen head on one of them...

Joel
trhoppe 05-30-2006 03:33 PM

Everything up to the enduro was on a single charge. I didn't want to take chances, so I charged it for about 5 mins right before the enduro. I bet it would have gone the enduro as well on that single charge :)

-Tom
dwx 05-30-2006 03:48 PM

[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,

Hahahaha... that's how I read it, too :D

The real test for battery guns is "can they take the cam-pulley-to-cam bolts out of the cams," on an STI/LGT/FXT/WRX 2.5. I think the factory spec on those is about 500 ft-lbs with high temp loctite added. It's insane how hard those are - we broke the allen head on one of them...

Joel[/QUOTE]


I couldn't budge those things with a 750ft-lb air impact wrench... I think the problem with those bolts is they somehow tighten themselves more and more over time. They are factory spec like 72? ft-lbs but you tighten them and let them sit a year and they sure as hell aren't 72 ft-lbs when you are trying to take them back off... I wish they didn't use those damn allen heads either. I stripped one recently and ended up having to shatter the cam gear to get the cam out.
IBAUCLAPlaya 05-31-2006 11:25 AM

The closest PepBoys is 1.5 hours away. Any other recommendations?
BigClunke 05-31-2006 10:21 PM

[QUOTE=BigClunke]
[url="http://imageshack.us"][img]http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2467/cumminsimpact4vi.jpg[/img][/url]
[url="http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,1281.htm"][b][u]Cummins 24v impact wrench[/u][/b][/url][/QUOTE]
Try this one, It works really well (end of pg 3 and 1st post in 4)
InfamousDX 06-01-2006 12:54 AM

[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,

Hahahaha... that's how I read it, too :D

The real test for battery guns is "can they take the cam-pulley-to-cam bolts out of the cams," on an STI/LGT/FXT/WRX 2.5. I think the factory spec on those is about 500 ft-lbs with high temp loctite added. It's insane how hard those are - we broke the allen head on one of them...

Joel[/QUOTE]
Wow... I don't think any non-air impact gun can break those... we needed like a 6 foot breaker bar and lots of blood, sweat, and cursing.
Joel Gat, 1.8L 06-01-2006 01:18 AM

Hello,

Yeah, doing a track-side engine rebuild, a breaker bar did 3 of them quite nicely. No gun, air at 190+ psi or battery could touch them. The 4th... well, when time is running out... we cut the black plastic cam gear cover all the way around so that we could do the rebuild without detaching that gear from that cam.

Heh... sucked.

Joel
SloRice 06-12-2006 03:33 PM

[QUOTE=BigClunke]Try this one, It works really well (end of pg 3 and 1st post in 4)[/QUOTE]

Is this the one you are running?? Can you give a little better description other than "it works really well"??

My girlfriend ordered one of the Chicago Pneumatic ones from Harbor Freight, but apparently they were on backorder and now they are discontinued. So I'm finding a suitable replacement. :banana:

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