| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 01:44 PM |
2006 WRC Speculation Thread
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Well, the 2005 Season is over, and the Rally Australia left me with a lot of questions.
1. [b]Skoda[/b]: They REALLY screwed the pooch when they effed up in service and cost themselves their first podium this year and a great finish for McCrae. Nikki seemed pretty down on the team and seemed to hint that they will not be back next year. Too bad, because I think, if they signed McCrae, they'd do pretty well.
2. [b]Francois Duval[/b]: He almost lost his ride due to a ****ty start this season, but he got better in the second half, and he WON Australia. I know he needs a ride next year, I wonder if he'll get one.
3. [b]Subaru[/b]: I know Petter will be back next year, and Atkinson had a good season, so he probably will too. But they had wicked-bad luck with their car this year. Will they fix their gremlins enough to take advantage of no French Manufacturers in 2006?
4. [b]Markko Martin[/b]: He obviously had a sad and tragic end to his season, but he's still young and a great driver, he also needs a ride for 2006. I wonder where he'll end up.
5. [b]Hyundai[/b]: I hear they're coming back for 2006. If they do, that's 2 more rides for a pool of available drivers. It'll be nice to see them back.
So yeah, add your questions, answers, rumors, wild speculation, whatever.
I'm already amped up, and have my reservations for Mexico next year, I can't wait! :banana:
1. [b]Skoda[/b]: They REALLY screwed the pooch when they effed up in service and cost themselves their first podium this year and a great finish for McCrae. Nikki seemed pretty down on the team and seemed to hint that they will not be back next year. Too bad, because I think, if they signed McCrae, they'd do pretty well.
2. [b]Francois Duval[/b]: He almost lost his ride due to a ****ty start this season, but he got better in the second half, and he WON Australia. I know he needs a ride next year, I wonder if he'll get one.
3. [b]Subaru[/b]: I know Petter will be back next year, and Atkinson had a good season, so he probably will too. But they had wicked-bad luck with their car this year. Will they fix their gremlins enough to take advantage of no French Manufacturers in 2006?
4. [b]Markko Martin[/b]: He obviously had a sad and tragic end to his season, but he's still young and a great driver, he also needs a ride for 2006. I wonder where he'll end up.
5. [b]Hyundai[/b]: I hear they're coming back for 2006. If they do, that's 2 more rides for a pool of available drivers. It'll be nice to see them back.
So yeah, add your questions, answers, rumors, wild speculation, whatever.
I'm already amped up, and have my reservations for Mexico next year, I can't wait! :banana:
| jpsimon | 11-14-2005 02:08 PM |
will the private teams be competing in the same televised deal that we see now? if so ill be extremely excited to see that addition to the competition
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 02:14 PM |
If the private teams do well, yes, they will got coverage, just look at the 2005 OMV Team with Stohl.
| jpsimon | 11-14-2005 02:26 PM |
how bout a wishlist?
I want live coverage of every day.... i need to find a bar that has satellite feeds from other countries that will show the events :lol: :lol: or that will never happen :(
I want live coverage of every day.... i need to find a bar that has satellite feeds from other countries that will show the events :lol: :lol: or that will never happen :(
| Jaxx | 11-14-2005 03:11 PM |
1. [b]Skoda[/b]: gone
2. [b]Peugeot[/b]: gone
3. [b]citroen[/b]: gone
4. [b]ford[/b]: intersting that they gave up on the end of the 2005 season and ran the 2006 car for the last event
5. [b]Hyundai[/b]:hopefully a year of devlopment will make them faster - but not likely
4. [b]subaru[/b]: only team with a real budget
5. [b]mitsubishi[/b]: has been running a 2006 spec car all year
i suspect the real competition to be between ford/subaru/privateer teams
2. [b]Peugeot[/b]: gone
3. [b]citroen[/b]: gone
4. [b]ford[/b]: intersting that they gave up on the end of the 2005 season and ran the 2006 car for the last event
5. [b]Hyundai[/b]:hopefully a year of devlopment will make them faster - but not likely
4. [b]subaru[/b]: only team with a real budget
5. [b]mitsubishi[/b]: has been running a 2006 spec car all year
i suspect the real competition to be between ford/subaru/privateer teams
| Rallycarperson | 11-14-2005 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Jaxx]
4. [b]ford[/b]: intersting that they gave up on the end of the 2005 season and ran the 2006 car for the last event
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Ford did this, because they would remain in the same manufacture spot anyways. They probably figured that Australia would be a good test to see how the car will react in race conditions.
I sure hope Subaru will do good in '06, I hope Skoda will remain as a WRC points contender, and hope McRae will get some kind of ride.
~Mark
4. [b]ford[/b]: intersting that they gave up on the end of the 2005 season and ran the 2006 car for the last event
[/QUOTE]
Ford did this, because they would remain in the same manufacture spot anyways. They probably figured that Australia would be a good test to see how the car will react in race conditions.
I sure hope Subaru will do good in '06, I hope Skoda will remain as a WRC points contender, and hope McRae will get some kind of ride.
~Mark
| slowscooby | 11-14-2005 03:34 PM |
It will be very interesting to see what Petter and Subaru can do with the changing around of teams and drivers. If he can get the car squared away and get a fresh season without pushing too hard, he should do very well.
| IamRascal | 11-14-2005 03:40 PM |
I hope the quality of the television coverage improves. I was not impressed this year. I enjoyed watching the coverage of the New Foundland Targa rally loads more than the coverage they had for WRC.
| Impreza05 | 11-14-2005 03:45 PM |
Skoda may drop down a class, Hyundai will be back 2007 so will Citroen
| WRXedUSA | 11-14-2005 04:04 PM |
[b]Skoda-Auto: [/b] Who knows.
1. Probably not McRae. I think Nicky and Colin like one offs better than a full assault.
2. Most likely Keep Passonen and Kopecky
3. The team will be there. Superfund by VW. They showed speed, I'm impressed, that is what Muhlheimer wanted all year, to show potential to prove to VW that they should hold on.
4. You have to assume they will enter given thier level of involvment with the Czech Natl Championship.
[b]Subaru World Rally Team: [/b] The same
1. Might see Toshi Arai in a car or two at NON-PCWRC scoring events a-la 2001 for reward of his 2005 PCWRC win (congrats mang!)
2. I think we will see Sarrazin with the test team w/ Pasi Hagstrom more in 2006 in Pirelli-sponsored tire development.
[b]Ford M-Sport: [/b] Who knows
1. Likely Gronholm
2. I bet Martin shows up (asphalt 2004 wins, Corsica, Catalunya)
3. Garde and Hirvonen most likely sharing a 3rd car. Both have done well, developed nicely. Hirvonen will bring the Ponsse sponsorship if a 3rd car will run.
4. Kresta is gone. He hasnt done crap this year
[b]Kronos Citroen: [/b] This will be a superfunded allstar team
1. Loeb (Playstation 2 sponsor)
2. Duval (Aquamass Sponsor)
3. Rovanpera and/or Stohl (OMV sponsor bearer)
[b]Bozian Peugeot:[/b]
1. Danni Carlsson
2. Duval? Robert?
3. Henning Solberg?
[b]RED Motorsports [/b] (Subaru)
1. They put together a few rallies before Olsbergs pulled the plug in Finland. I bet thier prepping of GroupA8 cars will garner a few rides if a driver can bring in sponsorship.
[b] Mitsubishi Motorsports [/B]
1. Galli in the #1 car. He will shine with the new diff rules
2. Daniel Sola and or Xavier Pons will get a few rides in the #3 car.
3. Rovanpera or Panizzi trading off again #2. Gilles is getting the shaft lately, so who knows.
1. Probably not McRae. I think Nicky and Colin like one offs better than a full assault.
2. Most likely Keep Passonen and Kopecky
3. The team will be there. Superfund by VW. They showed speed, I'm impressed, that is what Muhlheimer wanted all year, to show potential to prove to VW that they should hold on.
4. You have to assume they will enter given thier level of involvment with the Czech Natl Championship.
[b]Subaru World Rally Team: [/b] The same
1. Might see Toshi Arai in a car or two at NON-PCWRC scoring events a-la 2001 for reward of his 2005 PCWRC win (congrats mang!)
2. I think we will see Sarrazin with the test team w/ Pasi Hagstrom more in 2006 in Pirelli-sponsored tire development.
[b]Ford M-Sport: [/b] Who knows
1. Likely Gronholm
2. I bet Martin shows up (asphalt 2004 wins, Corsica, Catalunya)
3. Garde and Hirvonen most likely sharing a 3rd car. Both have done well, developed nicely. Hirvonen will bring the Ponsse sponsorship if a 3rd car will run.
4. Kresta is gone. He hasnt done crap this year
[b]Kronos Citroen: [/b] This will be a superfunded allstar team
1. Loeb (Playstation 2 sponsor)
2. Duval (Aquamass Sponsor)
3. Rovanpera and/or Stohl (OMV sponsor bearer)
[b]Bozian Peugeot:[/b]
1. Danni Carlsson
2. Duval? Robert?
3. Henning Solberg?
[b]RED Motorsports [/b] (Subaru)
1. They put together a few rallies before Olsbergs pulled the plug in Finland. I bet thier prepping of GroupA8 cars will garner a few rides if a driver can bring in sponsorship.
[b] Mitsubishi Motorsports [/B]
1. Galli in the #1 car. He will shine with the new diff rules
2. Daniel Sola and or Xavier Pons will get a few rides in the #3 car.
3. Rovanpera or Panizzi trading off again #2. Gilles is getting the shaft lately, so who knows.
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 04:09 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA][b]Ford: [/b] Who knows
1. Likely Gronholm
[/QUOTE]
Definitely Gronholm, he signed with them
1. Likely Gronholm
[/QUOTE]
Definitely Gronholm, he signed with them
| AdvanSTI | 11-14-2005 04:29 PM |
i can't wait to see Markus Gronholm behind the wheel of the focus. i think hes going to rip it up next year. the ford doesnt have all the handleing problems like the peugeot. i have a feeling its going to be alot of 1,2 petter/markus. and am i the only noticing how much faster gigi is getting? mitsubishi has been progressing slowly throughout the year and i expect big things from them next year.
and wth is skoda's problem? Colin performed very nicely. they need to sign him so they can actually be a contender. maybe skoda can re-recruit tommi makinen :devil: (all though it'll never happen)
and whats up with hyundai? are they coming back in 2006, or 2007 ?
and wth is skoda's problem? Colin performed very nicely. they need to sign him so they can actually be a contender. maybe skoda can re-recruit tommi makinen :devil: (all though it'll never happen)
and whats up with hyundai? are they coming back in 2006, or 2007 ?
| SparkysJDMSpeedWagon | 11-14-2005 04:41 PM |
Hyundai is coming back in 2006? I thought I'd heard that Suzuki was coming back...maybe both teams are entering?
| steev | 11-14-2005 04:43 PM |
Xavi Pons is going to be part of the Kronos team, so I doubt that Duval will end up there. Although I think it would be nice. I think he might end up with Oreca in a Xsara if him and Frequelin can work some type of deal for 2007.
Markko will be back at Ford, as he never really got used to the 307. Unless Subaru is smart enough to snag him again.
I think the guy to watch will be Rovanpera with Mitsubishi next year. He has already said that he was close to a deal with them for 2006. I think Galli is also going to do well with them next year. Now, when it comes to Panizzi, I say game over. He may be lucky to stay on the payroll as a test driver.
I think Skoda will go away, even though they have strong backing from VW (since that's what Skodas really are). I always thought it was a mistake to enter a brand that is only marginally popular in Europe, into a world-followed championship. But hey, I am no marketing expert. Maybe Audi will be back someday... ah ah ah!
Bozian will use some leftover 307s and probably do only a few rallies, so I don't see any serious drivers interested in that.
Markko will be back at Ford, as he never really got used to the 307. Unless Subaru is smart enough to snag him again.
I think the guy to watch will be Rovanpera with Mitsubishi next year. He has already said that he was close to a deal with them for 2006. I think Galli is also going to do well with them next year. Now, when it comes to Panizzi, I say game over. He may be lucky to stay on the payroll as a test driver.
I think Skoda will go away, even though they have strong backing from VW (since that's what Skodas really are). I always thought it was a mistake to enter a brand that is only marginally popular in Europe, into a world-followed championship. But hey, I am no marketing expert. Maybe Audi will be back someday... ah ah ah!
Bozian will use some leftover 307s and probably do only a few rallies, so I don't see any serious drivers interested in that.
| Yotsuya | 11-14-2005 05:15 PM |
I always got the impression Skoda was more a shoestring operation that VW didn't want to fund the way Ford, Subaru, and others do for their teams.
I'm starting to be more interested in Group N with its cars being closer to what you can get out of the showroom; it's partly why rallies appeal to me in the first place. Citroen can with the WRC as many times as they like, but what good is it if I can't get an all wheel drive Xsara?
I'm starting to be more interested in Group N with its cars being closer to what you can get out of the showroom; it's partly why rallies appeal to me in the first place. Citroen can with the WRC as many times as they like, but what good is it if I can't get an all wheel drive Xsara?
| psg | 11-14-2005 05:18 PM |
Does anyone have an exact list of what the mechanical changes are to the cars for the 06 season? I seem to remember something about changing to mechanical diffs and less electronics in general, but I can't find anything to back that up.
I'm curious as to how much slower the 06-spec cars will be to the 05-spec, if at all. Which also leads to the question, why was Ford so fast in Australia while using an "06-spec" car?
I'm curious as to how much slower the 06-spec cars will be to the 05-spec, if at all. Which also leads to the question, why was Ford so fast in Australia while using an "06-spec" car?
| 06WRXTR | 11-14-2005 05:28 PM |
well they outlawed water injection, which sucks, because water injection offered them great realiablity, so now they have to go back to R&D to design motors that can last....some say they might go N/A instead of turbo. I just hope all the teams will come back...it wont be WRC w/o Peugeot/Citroen/Skoda
| XenoWolf | 11-14-2005 05:40 PM |
I hope the Subaru/Mitsubishi battle can heat up again... that's always fun to watch. It's a shame that Peugeot and Citroen pulled out for next year, but it'll be interesting to watch Loeb work it with the privateer team.
My speculations:
Petter hits a taco in Mexico
Petter hits a bowl of pasta in Italy
Petter hits an insane Volkswagen engineer in Germany
My speculations:
Petter hits a taco in Mexico
Petter hits a bowl of pasta in Italy
Petter hits an insane Volkswagen engineer in Germany
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 05:44 PM |
Petter hits a Kiwi Fruit in New Zealand
Petter hits a Sushi Bar in Japan
Petter hits a Swedish Meatball in Sweden
Petter hits a Sushi Bar in Japan
Petter hits a Swedish Meatball in Sweden
| Impreza01 | 11-14-2005 05:45 PM |
I thought Suzuki had thoughts of joining
| WRXedUSA | 11-14-2005 05:48 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Petter hits a Kiwi Fruit in New Zealand
Petter hits a Sushi Bar in Japan
Petter hits a Swedish Meatball in Sweden[/QUOTE]
if you remember, he did get hit by a spectator car in 2003 in sweden that pulled an asshat maneuver on him on the way to the first stage.
I can't tell who has worse luck, Mark Higgins or Solberg
Petter hits a Sushi Bar in Japan
Petter hits a Swedish Meatball in Sweden[/QUOTE]
if you remember, he did get hit by a spectator car in 2003 in sweden that pulled an asshat maneuver on him on the way to the first stage.
I can't tell who has worse luck, Mark Higgins or Solberg
| 10th Warrior | 11-14-2005 06:55 PM |
[quote]I can't tell who has worse luck, Mark Higgins or Solberg[/quote]
World Titles: Higgins 0, Solberg 1.
i think we've found your answer ;)
World Titles: Higgins 0, Solberg 1.
i think we've found your answer ;)
| WagonMonster | 11-14-2005 08:56 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]World Titles: Higgins 0, Solberg 1.
i think we've found your answer ;)[/QUOTE]
Ding Ding Ding
And it was only this year that Petter had bad luck.
i think we've found your answer ;)[/QUOTE]
Ding Ding Ding
And it was only this year that Petter had bad luck.
| culturedetox | 11-14-2005 09:27 PM |
As far fetched as it sounds, but AUDI may enter 2008 or 2009. With their LeMan's R8 program at its end, AUDI will be looking to market their Quattro system again. what a better place to do it in what made quattro legendary.
It could be possible with VW remaking the corrado, an AUDI coup� with a rally race program couldn't be that far off of an idea.. but still, just rumors, hear-say and hopefull wishing.
It could be possible with VW remaking the corrado, an AUDI coup� with a rally race program couldn't be that far off of an idea.. but still, just rumors, hear-say and hopefull wishing.
| psg | 11-14-2005 09:30 PM |
Audi's R8 program is over, but they're coming right back with another LMP car. They will be at Le Mans in 2006 with a brand new car IIRC. I doubt that Audi really wants to get back into rally anyhow.
| culturedetox | 11-14-2005 09:31 PM |
I can always wish :D
| WRXedUSA | 11-14-2005 09:33 PM |
If Audi comes, Skoda goes.
Of the VW group, I doubt that Audi would seek to 'stoop' to lower standards of the WRC today and compete with entry level makes. AUdi, like in the 1980's would have nothing to gain. They have a developed AWD system, and they certainly won't be selling a load of cars because of it.
Audi>VW>Skoda
Of the VW group, I doubt that Audi would seek to 'stoop' to lower standards of the WRC today and compete with entry level makes. AUdi, like in the 1980's would have nothing to gain. They have a developed AWD system, and they certainly won't be selling a load of cars because of it.
Audi>VW>Skoda
| 13579 | 11-14-2005 09:48 PM |
Loeb and Solberg will have the competion for number one. Gronholm now driving a focus i dont see doing as well as he did for puegot. Peter has the worst luck, at least did in 05, it was very dificult to watch the japan incident and then australia was just as bad.
| jpsimon | 11-14-2005 09:53 PM |
it would be badass if audi came back to rally
| Ice racer | 11-15-2005 12:30 AM |
[QUOTE=culturedetox]I can always wish :D[/QUOTE]
....and I can wish that Nissan would come back. :p
But I doubt it! :D
....and I can wish that Nissan would come back. :p
But I doubt it! :D
| netadmin | 11-15-2005 01:50 AM |
[QUOTE=IamRascal]I hope the quality of the television coverage improves. I was not impressed this year. I enjoyed watching the coverage of the New Foundland Targa rally loads more than the coverage they had for WRC.[/QUOTE]
I was able to talk to Nicky Grist at the Rally Catalunya, he said that it looked like Speed was not going to pick up the coverage for the WRC next year. I hope Speed has a change of heart, I would hate not seeing the rallies anymore.
I was able to talk to Nicky Grist at the Rally Catalunya, he said that it looked like Speed was not going to pick up the coverage for the WRC next year. I hope Speed has a change of heart, I would hate not seeing the rallies anymore.
| WRX-pilot | 11-15-2005 01:57 AM |
Well if WRC goes off Speed, then speed is off my TV... I have to pay extra to get that channel :mad:
| leaknoil | 11-15-2005 02:26 AM |
[QUOTE=SparkysJDMSpeedWagon]Hyundai is coming back in 2006? I thought I'd heard that Suzuki was coming back...maybe both teams are entering?[/QUOTE]
I haven't heard anything firm from either company. Until the contract is signed with WRC it aint happening. Not a whole lot of time left no matter what people 'wish' would happen. Personally I'm not going to hold my breath for Citroen to be back in 2007 unless I hear more then wishful thinking out of the factory team members. There is a big difference from someone at PSA or Suzuki saying they will be in for 2007 and the manager of their rally team saying it.
If the slump in car sales doesn't end (and I don't think it will anytime soon) the manufacturers will not have extra cash to spend on ego trips like racing. More may go away.
The SpeedTV dropping WRC thing is news to me and if its true it is a really bad news. If SpeedTV doesn't pick it up nobody else is going to (sorry OLN doesnt count). No wonder ISC isn't responding to questions I've asked them about next years video rights in the US.
Just give Robby Gordon a Ford WRC ride and it will all be OK in the US again. Ford US might actually put in the big bucks and we'll be on NBC next year.
I haven't heard anything firm from either company. Until the contract is signed with WRC it aint happening. Not a whole lot of time left no matter what people 'wish' would happen. Personally I'm not going to hold my breath for Citroen to be back in 2007 unless I hear more then wishful thinking out of the factory team members. There is a big difference from someone at PSA or Suzuki saying they will be in for 2007 and the manager of their rally team saying it.
If the slump in car sales doesn't end (and I don't think it will anytime soon) the manufacturers will not have extra cash to spend on ego trips like racing. More may go away.
The SpeedTV dropping WRC thing is news to me and if its true it is a really bad news. If SpeedTV doesn't pick it up nobody else is going to (sorry OLN doesnt count). No wonder ISC isn't responding to questions I've asked them about next years video rights in the US.
Just give Robby Gordon a Ford WRC ride and it will all be OK in the US again. Ford US might actually put in the big bucks and we'll be on NBC next year.
| garie | 11-15-2005 07:12 AM |
lets petition espn2 to cover it?
They should have online coverage. I would pay to watch and record it.
They should have online coverage. I would pay to watch and record it.
| XenoWolf | 11-15-2005 08:35 AM |
I'd love to see BMW get in the mix. They have the AWD technology and engineering arm already, and probably have tons of cash to create a factory team. Watching an M3 (2.0L doh!) slide through the forest would be enough to tempt my faithfulness to my lady Impreza.
Also Porsche.
As far as a television package goes, we shouldn't hold our breath for one. MAYBE we could get OLN to pick up WRC? It's not like they have anything better to show (other than RA and NHL).
Also Porsche.
As far as a television package goes, we shouldn't hold our breath for one. MAYBE we could get OLN to pick up WRC? It's not like they have anything better to show (other than RA and NHL).
| jeisen | 11-15-2005 11:06 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]As far as a television package goes, we shouldn't hold our breath for one. MAYBE we could get OLN to pick up WRC? It's not like they have anything better to show (other than RA and NHL).[/QUOTE]
"Fishing with Petter Solberg" or "The Rally Rodeo" (hang on to a rally car while it does a super special) :D
"Fishing with Petter Solberg" or "The Rally Rodeo" (hang on to a rally car while it does a super special) :D
| AdvanSTI | 11-15-2005 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE=psg]I doubt that Audi really wants to get back into rally anyhow.[/QUOTE]
i don't see why they wouldn't when they've been so successful in the past. if i were audi i'd come back for sure! they're too busy
i don't see why they wouldn't when they've been so successful in the past. if i were audi i'd come back for sure! they're too busy
| chaddeus | 11-15-2005 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Ding Ding Ding
And it was only this year that Petter had bad luck.[/QUOTE]
Even without those bad luck, he will still be in 2nd Position in the WRC. Loeb is simply too good.
- Charles
And it was only this year that Petter had bad luck.[/QUOTE]
Even without those bad luck, he will still be in 2nd Position in the WRC. Loeb is simply too good.
- Charles
| slowscooby | 11-15-2005 12:15 PM |
If speed didnt pick it up who would? What channel is OLN?
| jeisen | 11-15-2005 12:21 PM |
outdoor life network, fishing, bullriding, tour de france, and rally america
| proletariandan | 11-15-2005 12:23 PM |
[QUOTE=netadmin]I was able to talk to Nicky Grist at the Rally Catalunya, he said that it looked like Speed was not going to pick up the coverage for the WRC next year. I hope Speed has a change of heart, I would hate not seeing the rallies anymore.[/QUOTE]
*** they had better change their **** minds
*** they had better change their **** minds
| Sideshowbob | 11-15-2005 01:22 PM |
[QUOTE=leaknoil]
The SpeedTV dropping WRC thing is news to me and if its true it is a really bad news. If SpeedTV doesn't pick it up nobody else is going to (sorry OLN doesnt count). No wonder ISC isn't responding to questions I've asked them about next years video rights in the US.[/QUOTE]
If rally comes off Speed, Speed comes off my cable bill. They already **** it up with too much Nascrap.
The SpeedTV dropping WRC thing is news to me and if its true it is a really bad news. If SpeedTV doesn't pick it up nobody else is going to (sorry OLN doesnt count). No wonder ISC isn't responding to questions I've asked them about next years video rights in the US.[/QUOTE]
If rally comes off Speed, Speed comes off my cable bill. They already **** it up with too much Nascrap.
| AdvanSTI | 11-15-2005 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]If rally comes off Speed, Speed comes off my cable bill. They already **** it up with too much Nascrap.[/QUOTE]
***. they wont drop the rally. it has too many viewers. they've started to run more commercials and they actually play re-runs now to. the first half of the season made you get ONE chance to see it. and as for nascar..... they should only play that shiZ in the south or something. i dont know ANYONE that actually enjoys watching nascar.
***. they wont drop the rally. it has too many viewers. they've started to run more commercials and they actually play re-runs now to. the first half of the season made you get ONE chance to see it. and as for nascar..... they should only play that shiZ in the south or something. i dont know ANYONE that actually enjoys watching nascar.
| todd_fuller | 11-15-2005 01:49 PM |
There's no way Audi will return to WRC in the near-term. They are involved in several expensive racing series already, DTM and next year Le Mans. They havn't run a factory R8 for two years now but have been quietly developing the R10 which is rumored to be a turbo diesel. Audi also sponsors A LOT of non-autoracing sports, like downhill skiing, etc.
VW is already involved in rally albeit not in the pinnacle series. It's hard to fault them though, WRC is not a cheap sport to be in!
VW is already involved in rally albeit not in the pinnacle series. It's hard to fault them though, WRC is not a cheap sport to be in!
| Craig W | 11-15-2005 02:34 PM |
Did you see that Speed is bringing back the Lost Drive In? That was from back when it was SpeedVision, where they show cool old car movies like Le Mans, Vanishing Point, etc. If they're willing to bring that back to fill their schedule, I think they're willing to hold on to WRC. At least, I hope so. Time to write Speed some more emails, just to be safe.
| leaknoil | 11-15-2005 02:35 PM |
[QUOTE=AdvanSTI]***. they wont drop the rally. it has too many viewers. they've started to run more commercials and they actually play re-runs now to. the first half of the season made you get ONE chance to see it. and as for nascar..... they should only play that shiZ in the south or something. i dont know ANYONE that actually enjoys watching nascar.[/QUOTE]
I'm betting WRC had terrible ratings. As much because of the SpeedTV time slot they gave it then anything else. In the west coast the WRC coverage is up against the Simpsons, West Wing, Family Guy, and HBO's Rome. In the east coast its so late that many people can't stay up to watch because they have work on Monday.
It's obvious SpeedTV wouldn't drop a popular show unless it was prehaps too expensive. Without any other network interested I doubt it's too expensive. The ratings probably sucked and Subaru was probably the only people that cared about advertising during it.
If this is true, its also probably just part of their continued move towards all NASCAR all the time. Rally will end up a short piece at the end of Wind Tunnel.
Still, this all may be speculation. It's not uncommon to say your dropping something to negoiate a better deal on picking it up for the next year. SpeedTV may just be trying to get it cheaper. At least I hope thats what it is.
I'm betting WRC had terrible ratings. As much because of the SpeedTV time slot they gave it then anything else. In the west coast the WRC coverage is up against the Simpsons, West Wing, Family Guy, and HBO's Rome. In the east coast its so late that many people can't stay up to watch because they have work on Monday.
It's obvious SpeedTV wouldn't drop a popular show unless it was prehaps too expensive. Without any other network interested I doubt it's too expensive. The ratings probably sucked and Subaru was probably the only people that cared about advertising during it.
If this is true, its also probably just part of their continued move towards all NASCAR all the time. Rally will end up a short piece at the end of Wind Tunnel.
Still, this all may be speculation. It's not uncommon to say your dropping something to negoiate a better deal on picking it up for the next year. SpeedTV may just be trying to get it cheaper. At least I hope thats what it is.
| Mopho | 11-15-2005 02:55 PM |
Speed really wants to drop WRC. From what I have been told the only reason it is on at all, is because Subaru is buying the airtime to broadcast it. (hence all the Subaru commercials)
In Mexico, Nicky had told me that if it does stay on Speed, there is a good chance it will be shown a week later as opposed to the same night as the event, because the satellite feed is really expensive.
Personally, I am not opposed to it being shown a week later, you can't beat the internet and the best shows were 97-2001 when they had a week to better edit them. Those shows were works of art!
As for Audi and BMW returning to WRC, will likely never happen, WRC is the wrong demographic for these now premium brands. Road racing is better suited to them
In Mexico, Nicky had told me that if it does stay on Speed, there is a good chance it will be shown a week later as opposed to the same night as the event, because the satellite feed is really expensive.
Personally, I am not opposed to it being shown a week later, you can't beat the internet and the best shows were 97-2001 when they had a week to better edit them. Those shows were works of art!
As for Audi and BMW returning to WRC, will likely never happen, WRC is the wrong demographic for these now premium brands. Road racing is better suited to them
| WagonMonster | 11-15-2005 08:25 PM |
Like you know Nicky :rolleyes: :p
| Mopho | 11-15-2005 08:30 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Like you know Nicky :rolleyes: :p[/QUOTE]
KeKeKeKeKe ;)
KeKeKeKeKe ;)
| WagonMonster | 11-15-2005 08:32 PM |
He's gonna disown you when he finds out it wasn't your Bentley.
| Mopho | 11-15-2005 08:36 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]He's gonna disown you when he finds out it wasn't your Bentley.[/QUOTE]
But Nicky drives a BMW X5, so I was too good for him ( for a weekend at least )
But Nicky drives a BMW X5, so I was too good for him ( for a weekend at least )
| WagonMonster | 11-15-2005 08:37 PM |
Oh don't lie, you big slut.
| Mopho | 11-15-2005 08:41 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Oh don't lie, you big slut.[/QUOTE]
Meh, Your just jealous, you wish you were as pimping as me
Meh, Your just jealous, you wish you were as pimping as me
| WRXMaster | 11-15-2005 10:41 PM |
[QUOTE=todd_fuller]There's no way Audi will return to WRC in the near-term. They are involved in several expensive racing series already, DTM and next year Le Mans. They havn't run a factory R8 for two years now but have been quietly developing the R10 which is rumored to be a turbo diesel. Audi also sponsors A LOT of non-autoracing sports, like downhill skiing, etc.
VW is already involved in rally albeit not in the pinnacle series. It's hard to fault them though, WRC is not a cheap sport to be in![/QUOTE]
And DTM and Le Mans is cheaper? WRC is not that expensive compared to other professional sports... Ford Spent 40 million last year on 2 car team "thats petty change in motorsports"
VW is already involved in rally albeit not in the pinnacle series. It's hard to fault them though, WRC is not a cheap sport to be in![/QUOTE]
And DTM and Le Mans is cheaper? WRC is not that expensive compared to other professional sports... Ford Spent 40 million last year on 2 car team "thats petty change in motorsports"
| leaknoil | 11-16-2005 02:17 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]And DTM and Le Mans is cheaper? WRC is not that expensive compared to other professional sports... Ford Spent 40 million last year on 2 car team "thats petty change in motorsports"[/QUOTE]
Corporate sponsorship helps pay the bill in most other motorsports. This is why a Chevy looks like a box of Tide or a F1 car like a can of Red Bull. I'm always surprised that rally cars have things like Subaru or Ford taking up so much money making space on the cars. Either nobody wants to buy space or there is some WRC unspoken rule against it. Either way the WRC loses.
Corporate sponsorship helps pay the bill in most other motorsports. This is why a Chevy looks like a box of Tide or a F1 car like a can of Red Bull. I'm always surprised that rally cars have things like Subaru or Ford taking up so much money making space on the cars. Either nobody wants to buy space or there is some WRC unspoken rule against it. Either way the WRC loses.
| WRXedUSA | 11-16-2005 11:04 AM |
[QUOTE=leaknoil]Corporate sponsorship helps pay the bill in most other motorsports. This is why a Chevy looks like a box of Tide or a F1 car like a can of Red Bull. I'm always surprised that rally cars have things like Subaru or Ford taking up so much money making space on the cars. Either nobody wants to buy space or there is some WRC unspoken rule against it. Either way the WRC loses.[/QUOTE]
Getting sponsorship in WRC is beyond difficult.
Look at Corona/Coronita (SWRT) ----- Mexican/spanish beer
Big One (SWRT) ----- Norweigan Supermarket
BAT 555 (SWRT) ----- International Cigarette brand
Red Bull (Skoda) ----- Internationally rec. energy drink
Olsbergs (Subaru) ---- Swedish Hydraulics
Eddie Stobart (Subaru) ------ English trucking company
Ponnsse (Ford) ----- Finnish logging equipment company
OMV (Kronos) ----- Austrian Oil Company
Jardine Lloyd Thompson --- English Insurance company
Diplom-Is --- Norweigian Ice Cream
Not many folks know who MOST of these sponsors are.
The problem is, that international marketing on a niche area such as rallying is not a very good option for many companies. Only internationally recognized brands would work, such as Ford, Subaru, Coke, Red Bull etc. Even title sponsors are hard to come by, look at Telstra for example.
There are no WRC rules against it, for example BP/Castrol/Ford who carries a title sponsor.
Check out SWRT's page at [url]www.swrt.com[/url] and look at the bottom of the page. They are basically BEGGING for a sponsor, even offering one-offs.
Getting sponsorship in WRC is beyond difficult.
Look at Corona/Coronita (SWRT) ----- Mexican/spanish beer
Big One (SWRT) ----- Norweigan Supermarket
BAT 555 (SWRT) ----- International Cigarette brand
Red Bull (Skoda) ----- Internationally rec. energy drink
Olsbergs (Subaru) ---- Swedish Hydraulics
Eddie Stobart (Subaru) ------ English trucking company
Ponnsse (Ford) ----- Finnish logging equipment company
OMV (Kronos) ----- Austrian Oil Company
Jardine Lloyd Thompson --- English Insurance company
Diplom-Is --- Norweigian Ice Cream
Not many folks know who MOST of these sponsors are.
The problem is, that international marketing on a niche area such as rallying is not a very good option for many companies. Only internationally recognized brands would work, such as Ford, Subaru, Coke, Red Bull etc. Even title sponsors are hard to come by, look at Telstra for example.
There are no WRC rules against it, for example BP/Castrol/Ford who carries a title sponsor.
Check out SWRT's page at [url]www.swrt.com[/url] and look at the bottom of the page. They are basically BEGGING for a sponsor, even offering one-offs.
| WagonMonster | 11-16-2005 12:22 PM |
I wonder how much it would cost to get my name on Petter's car :lol:
| WRXedUSA | 11-16-2005 12:25 PM |
$5
:lol:
:lol:
| WagonMonster | 11-16-2005 12:27 PM |
So, for, like, $50, could I get the whole hood?
| WRXedUSA | 11-16-2005 12:28 PM |
$50 dolla makes SWRT holla!
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