| leaknoil | 12-21-2005 02:42 AM |
Anyone else excited about Dakar ?
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Robby has his site up now at [url]http://www.teamdakarusa.com/[/url] . I hate Hummers and Nascar but, the idea of the beating the French always makes me happy. Take off that plastic shell and that is one high tech looking piece of kit. Some really nice shots there of the guts of the thing. [URL=http://www.robbygordon.com/cgi-bin/Imagefolio31/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=03_OFF-ROAD/05_RALLY_RACING/DAKAR_2006/000_THE_ROAD_TO_DAKAR&image=toyo_media_06.jpg&img=&tt=]This one[/URL] shows they spent some money.
| solo2wrx | 12-21-2005 05:28 PM |
How does Nascar factor into the Dakar and a US team running hummers? Robby was an off-road racer and indy car driver well before he ever ran stock cars. I am excited to see the Dakar again this year and I am glad to finally see more American involvement with each passing year.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-21-2005 06:59 PM |
I've always liked the dakar rally, as per the topic question:
Is there a Subaru in it this year? Oh.
Is there a Subaru in it this year? Oh.
| skuttledude | 12-21-2005 07:06 PM |
is Speed going to air all of it again?
Yes, I'm looking forward to it.
Yes, I'm looking forward to it.
| nKoan | 12-21-2005 07:07 PM |
No, no Subaru in it.
Dakar is always fun. I just wish some channel besides OLN was covering it for US audiences.
Dakar is always fun. I just wish some channel besides OLN was covering it for US audiences.
| speedyHAM | 12-21-2005 07:07 PM |
I think that H3 looks pretty tough, we'll see if Robby can keep the wheels on it.
I hope he finishes, doesn't die, and places well enough to doit again next year. :)
I hope he finishes, doesn't die, and places well enough to doit again next year. :)
| driggity | 12-21-2005 07:43 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan]I just wish some channel besides OLN was covering it for US audiences.[/QUOTE]
Why? I thought they did a good job with the coverage of it last year. More coverage of it would be nice, but I'd say that about most non US motorsports.
And yes, I am excited.
Also, its interesting that Robby is running Toyos.
Why? I thought they did a good job with the coverage of it last year. More coverage of it would be nice, but I'd say that about most non US motorsports.
And yes, I am excited.
Also, its interesting that Robby is running Toyos.
| Osgood30 | 12-21-2005 07:50 PM |
[QUOTE=driggity]Why? I thought they did a good job with the coverage of it last year. More coverage of it would be nice, but I'd say that about most non US motorsports.
And yes, I am excited.[/QUOTE]
are you serious?? Last year's coverage was profiling american team in the dakar rally, not covering the event! Bring back Toby Moody and the crew!!!
And yes, I am excited.[/QUOTE]
are you serious?? Last year's coverage was profiling american team in the dakar rally, not covering the event! Bring back Toby Moody and the crew!!!
| driggity | 12-21-2005 08:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Osgood30]are you serious?? Last year's coverage was profiling american team in the dakar rally, not covering the event! Bring back Toby Moody and the crew!!![/QUOTE]
Yes they had a lot of coverage on all the americans competing (big surprise there considering that it was a broadcast made for the US) but they covered the other teams too.
Yes they had a lot of coverage on all the americans competing (big surprise there considering that it was a broadcast made for the US) but they covered the other teams too.
| Bonzo | 12-21-2005 08:07 PM |
I have two events per year I look forward to and watch every teleivised minute. The Tour de France and the Dakar rally raid. It's good Robby is on a vehicle/truck he is accustomed to driving. I hope he does well. The bikes have a pretty good effort on the Red-Bull KTM's. They are shooting for a podium.
fwiw here's a theard in OT started a few days ago. Some good pics...
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904376&highlight=dakar[/url]
linky is to OLN's daily Dakar coverage.
[url]http://www.olntv.com/nw/article/view/673/?UserDef=true&catID=76[/url]
fwiw here's a theard in OT started a few days ago. Some good pics...
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904376&highlight=dakar[/url]
linky is to OLN's daily Dakar coverage.
[url]http://www.olntv.com/nw/article/view/673/?UserDef=true&catID=76[/url]
| bjorn240 | 12-21-2005 08:19 PM |
Lowrance GPS is ok, but a Terratrip? Ewwwwwww! And in Dakar, you really should have two rally computers... I hope they do well, though!
I'd like to run Dakar after I retire from proper racing!
- Christian
I'd like to run Dakar after I retire from proper racing!
- Christian
| nKoan | 12-21-2005 08:25 PM |
[QUOTE=driggity]Why? I thought they did a good job with the coverage of it last year. More coverage of it would be nice, but I'd say that about most non US motorsports.
And yes, I am excited.
Also, its interesting that Robby is running Toyos.[/QUOTE]
lol, two problems with OLN.
One, I don't get OLN w/o paying for Digital Tier 2 or something like that :p Not worth it when the only thing on *any* of those channels worth watching is Dakar and Rally America.
Two, I was pretty underwhelmed when I did see it. Too much of a biopic on the American teams (which isn't a bad thing in moderation) and not enough actual racing. It was good, but it didn't do it for me like the past Speedvision and Speed Channel coverage did.
And yes, I am excited.
Also, its interesting that Robby is running Toyos.[/QUOTE]
lol, two problems with OLN.
One, I don't get OLN w/o paying for Digital Tier 2 or something like that :p Not worth it when the only thing on *any* of those channels worth watching is Dakar and Rally America.
Two, I was pretty underwhelmed when I did see it. Too much of a biopic on the American teams (which isn't a bad thing in moderation) and not enough actual racing. It was good, but it didn't do it for me like the past Speedvision and Speed Channel coverage did.
| AlbaScoob | 12-22-2005 07:23 AM |
yes, Sainz will be there...
| LordBass | 12-22-2005 01:24 PM |
[QUOTE=Osgood30]are you serious?? Last year's coverage was profiling american team in the dakar rally, not covering the event![/QUOTE]
Agreed 1000%. The years I had Speed channel I watched all the Dakar coverage - tasteful handling of the sport, with educational bits and a lot of time spent covering the field.
OLN's coverage was unwatchable. When I saw that ignorant bubbly guy with the thick New Jersey accent out in the desert trying to talk to the drivers I was finished.
OLN's Tour de France coverage is top-notch, their untainted A1 GP coverage ideal (apart from the squashed aspect ratio), even the Rally America shows were ok, but Dakar? They need to leave the commentary to the experts.
Agreed 1000%. The years I had Speed channel I watched all the Dakar coverage - tasteful handling of the sport, with educational bits and a lot of time spent covering the field.
OLN's coverage was unwatchable. When I saw that ignorant bubbly guy with the thick New Jersey accent out in the desert trying to talk to the drivers I was finished.
OLN's Tour de France coverage is top-notch, their untainted A1 GP coverage ideal (apart from the squashed aspect ratio), even the Rally America shows were ok, but Dakar? They need to leave the commentary to the experts.
| leaknoil | 12-22-2005 01:52 PM |
[QUOTE=LordBass]OLN's coverage was unwatchable. When I saw that ignorant bubbly guy with the thick New Jersey accent out in the desert trying to talk to the drivers I was finished.
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That guy annoyed the hell out of me me too. I only watched the on demand 5 show version of OLN's coverage though. He dissappeared about the third show. He's bones are probablly bleaching out there in the desert somewhere. Hopefully anyway.
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That guy annoyed the hell out of me me too. I only watched the on demand 5 show version of OLN's coverage though. He dissappeared about the third show. He's bones are probablly bleaching out there in the desert somewhere. Hopefully anyway.
| solo2wrx | 12-22-2005 01:57 PM |
That commentator annoyed me also but I stuck it out to see what happened in the event. I miss the Speed channel coverage of the Dakar.
| Howl | 12-22-2005 03:46 PM |
Didn't Rod Hall race a Hummer in the 1996 Dakar? I recall they didn't do so well.
| psg | 12-22-2005 05:27 PM |
Robby's truck this year isn't really a Hummer per-se. It's more like a SCORE Trophy Truck with the tube-frame chasis and a Hummer body shell on it and most likely, a Chevy powerplant. :)
Their support vehicles are actual Hummer H1's, though.
Their support vehicles are actual Hummer H1's, though.
| zoomfactor | 12-22-2005 09:37 PM |
[QUOTE]Robby's truck this year isn't really a Hummer per-se. It's more like a SCORE Trophy Truck [/QUOTE]
I guess he plans to scare the locals :lol: After watching Dust to Glory last night, I'm pumped for Dakar :banana:
I guess he plans to scare the locals :lol: After watching Dust to Glory last night, I'm pumped for Dakar :banana:
| feropont | 12-23-2005 01:28 PM |
I hope russians will win in trucks group with their KAMAZ like last 2 years 1,2
| Osgood30 | 12-23-2005 04:47 PM |
[QUOTE=feropont]I hope russians will win in trucks group with their KAMAZ like last 2 years 1,2[/QUOTE]
Same here! :cool:
Same here! :cool:
| Foxy | 12-24-2005 01:23 AM |
I admit that I know next to nothing about the Dakar Rally, but I was reading about the H3 entry into the rally (there's a nice writeup at [url=http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=10502]Car and Driver[/url]), and it sort of bummed me out. Granted, I doubt that any of the other manufacturers use stock-based cars in the race, but I don't see how they can call the H3 entry an H3, when the only piece it seems to use from the production vehicle is the front grille. It's too NASCAR-ish for me, where the 'race car' has nothing in common with the street car. I wish they would've just called it the Chevy DakarDominator or something, and been honest about it.
| Howl | 12-24-2005 08:36 AM |
Rallying is about real cars on real roads.
Dakar isn't. It's about who can go from point A to point B the fastest. Some of the entries are home-built buggies. The problem is it is very expensive to build a competitive machine, so most teams make a deal with a manufacturer to dress up their vehicles to look like a production model. The manufacturer gets press and the team gets money. There are also factory entries, were the manufacturer assembles the vehicle and hires a team to drive it. Again, underneath these are not production vehicles, but are prototype designs that are in effect being tested.
Dakar isn't. It's about who can go from point A to point B the fastest. Some of the entries are home-built buggies. The problem is it is very expensive to build a competitive machine, so most teams make a deal with a manufacturer to dress up their vehicles to look like a production model. The manufacturer gets press and the team gets money. There are also factory entries, were the manufacturer assembles the vehicle and hires a team to drive it. Again, underneath these are not production vehicles, but are prototype designs that are in effect being tested.
| Bonzo | 12-24-2005 11:07 AM |
Almost all of the factory cars/trucks are one-off race machines. The exterior looks original for obvious advertising reasons. Like all televised racing it's a show for the sponsors.
Imo in rallying I like to see special built hardware. Plus Dakar does not have roads so stock or stock prepared vehicles have a difficult time traversing at a quick enough pace to keep the general audience interested. In other words they have to crawl through much of the terrain just to finish. I like the speed and excitment race cars deliver.
Santa's brining my new dvd recorder just in time :D
Imo in rallying I like to see special built hardware. Plus Dakar does not have roads so stock or stock prepared vehicles have a difficult time traversing at a quick enough pace to keep the general audience interested. In other words they have to crawl through much of the terrain just to finish. I like the speed and excitment race cars deliver.
Santa's brining my new dvd recorder just in time :D
| feropont | 12-24-2005 11:09 AM |
There is nothing NASCARish about driving 9000 km trough most grueling conditions whether by motorcycle, one of those prototypes or 3 axels truck.
I hope I will not miss this year coverage on Speed. I remember they were showing one of the KAMAZ's trucks passing on straight line driving trough african beach one of the factory sponsored Pajero's
Memory bring me back when I was racing my military truck in Kazakstan desert. What a feeling!
[QUOTE=Foxy]I admit that I know next to nothing about the Dakar Rally, but I was reading about the H3 entry into the rally (there's a nice writeup at [url=http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=10502]Car and Driver[/url]), and it sort of bummed me out. Granted, I doubt that any of the other manufacturers use stock-based cars in the race, but I don't see how they can call the H3 entry an H3, when the only piece it seems to use from the production vehicle is the front grille. It's too NASCAR-ish for me, where the 'race car' has nothing in common with the street car. I wish they would've just called it the Chevy DakarDominator or something, and been honest about it.[/QUOTE]
I hope I will not miss this year coverage on Speed. I remember they were showing one of the KAMAZ's trucks passing on straight line driving trough african beach one of the factory sponsored Pajero's
Memory bring me back when I was racing my military truck in Kazakstan desert. What a feeling!
[QUOTE=Foxy]I admit that I know next to nothing about the Dakar Rally, but I was reading about the H3 entry into the rally (there's a nice writeup at [url=http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=10502]Car and Driver[/url]), and it sort of bummed me out. Granted, I doubt that any of the other manufacturers use stock-based cars in the race, but I don't see how they can call the H3 entry an H3, when the only piece it seems to use from the production vehicle is the front grille. It's too NASCAR-ish for me, where the 'race car' has nothing in common with the street car. I wish they would've just called it the Chevy DakarDominator or something, and been honest about it.[/QUOTE]
| feropont | 12-24-2005 11:45 AM |
Anybody knows Dakar schedule on Speed?
| psg | 12-24-2005 11:47 AM |
It won't be airing on Speed. It's on the Outdoor Life Network (OLN).
| Foxy | 12-24-2005 11:49 AM |
Oh, I fully realize [i]why[/i] the manufacturers do the things they do. It just seems dishonest to me. I'd be much more impressed if they had used, say, a heavily-modified H3 engine instead of a modified Corvette racing engine, or anything else mechanical off of the H3. The front grille? Give me a break. I understand that the H3 and other SUV's entered into the race would all die if they were left close to stock.. but it doesn't stop me from wishing, right? :)
It's a complaint I have about racing where the cars in the race bear no resemblance to the street cars, yet, they share the same name, etc.
Feropont, I never said that there was anything NASCAR-ish about the [i]driving[/i]. The Dakar rally looks absolutely insane. I can't fathom doing what they're doing. It's certainly on a different level than making 800 left hand turns in a row.
However, it is absolutely NASCAR to me to say, "Hey, let's name our RWD, V8-powered, 2 door car after our FWD, I4/V6, 4 door family sedan!" Similarily, I don't like how they are calling a tube-frame chassied, V8 sand rail a H3, when the real H3 has a I5 engine. The "race on Sunday, sell on Monday," theme just doesn't work on me when it's such a huge disconnect between the race car and the street car. That's why I like watching Group N rally, Speed World Challenge, and similar series.
It's a complaint I have about racing where the cars in the race bear no resemblance to the street cars, yet, they share the same name, etc.
Feropont, I never said that there was anything NASCAR-ish about the [i]driving[/i]. The Dakar rally looks absolutely insane. I can't fathom doing what they're doing. It's certainly on a different level than making 800 left hand turns in a row.
However, it is absolutely NASCAR to me to say, "Hey, let's name our RWD, V8-powered, 2 door car after our FWD, I4/V6, 4 door family sedan!" Similarily, I don't like how they are calling a tube-frame chassied, V8 sand rail a H3, when the real H3 has a I5 engine. The "race on Sunday, sell on Monday," theme just doesn't work on me when it's such a huge disconnect between the race car and the street car. That's why I like watching Group N rally, Speed World Challenge, and similar series.
| Rallyroo | 12-24-2005 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=psg]It won't be airing on Speed. It's on the Outdoor Life Network (OLN).[/QUOTE]
:mad:
I don't have the OLN channel. Why isn't the Speed Channel showing Dakar anyways? Was Dakar not popular enough in the ratings?
:mad:
I don't have the OLN channel. Why isn't the Speed Channel showing Dakar anyways? Was Dakar not popular enough in the ratings?
| feropont | 12-24-2005 01:03 PM |
I look at OLN website but can't find where race will be broadcast.
Who knows?
Who knows?
| Bonzo | 12-25-2005 01:28 AM |
[QUOTE=feropont]I look at OLN website but can't find where race will be broadcast.
Who knows?[/QUOTE]
reply number 10 in this thread ftw :banana: ;) :D
Who knows?[/QUOTE]
reply number 10 in this thread ftw :banana: ;) :D
| Bort | 12-25-2005 09:35 AM |
Same day coverage.:) They didn't do that last year.
| feropont | 12-25-2005 10:17 AM |
Excellent! Thanks a lot.
Marry Christmas and Happy New Year everybody!
Marry Christmas and Happy New Year everybody!
| Dr. WOT | 12-30-2005 04:03 AM |
Can't wait, not just one of the best races in the world, it is one of the great events/spectacles/challenges in the world. I love the new rule this year limiting the on board GPS to only speed and direction which will force them to use the road book for directions.
No, it's not the same as WRC or Group N or SCCA, it's not supposed to be. We already have those, this is something different, and it is great. Survival of man and machine in the harshest of enviornments against a backdrop of racing-- there is nothing like Dakar, and IMHO all else pales in comparison.
No, it's not the same as WRC or Group N or SCCA, it's not supposed to be. We already have those, this is something different, and it is great. Survival of man and machine in the harshest of enviornments against a backdrop of racing-- there is nothing like Dakar, and IMHO all else pales in comparison.
| feropont | 12-30-2005 07:44 AM |
KAMAZ barely made it to Dakar because heavy snow in Spain
| Rallycarperson | 12-30-2005 09:35 AM |
Im excited. I always like watching the Dakar.
It's finally good theres going to be same day coverage. Now lets just hope the Prorally schedule don't be aired in like October.
~Mark
It's finally good theres going to be same day coverage. Now lets just hope the Prorally schedule don't be aired in like October.
~Mark
| luggnutz | 12-30-2005 01:33 PM |
Hell yes I'm excited about Dakar.
What I'm not excited about is the crapy coverage or even the lack of coverage we will most likely get stateside :furious:
I love it so much though, that I'll torture myself watching even the worst coverage!
Go De Rooy!
lugnutz
What I'm not excited about is the crapy coverage or even the lack of coverage we will most likely get stateside :furious:
I love it so much though, that I'll torture myself watching even the worst coverage!
Go De Rooy!
lugnutz
| TOMMY B | 12-30-2005 01:44 PM |
If VW does not win this year... :confused: Thay better just give up trying !!! :devil:
TOMMY B
RALLY ON ////////////////
TOMMY B
RALLY ON ////////////////
| AdvanSTI | 12-30-2005 02:42 PM |
Dakar is pretty crazy... but i'd rather just see like a superclip of all the highlights
| Bonzo | 12-30-2005 03:59 PM |
Interesting article about Robby's prerace and tech.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/articles/rally/auto/21369/[/url]
Robby's in-house designed mid engine truck was built in 90 days.
Impressive.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/articles/rally/auto/21369/[/url]
Robby's in-house designed mid engine truck was built in 90 days.
Impressive.
| Bonzo | 01-01-2006 12:31 PM |
it seems OLN will be airing it in two parts. Initially daily updated coverage with a more indepth later in the month. Way to go OLN.
below is copied from tvracer.com
4:00pm-4:30pm
Dakar Rally Highlights will be on everyday at the same time from Jan 1 thru Jan 15.
The Dakar Rally will be televised starting Jan 14, 7:00pm-8:00pm and continue to run at various times thru Jan 30.
below is copied from tvracer.com
4:00pm-4:30pm
Dakar Rally Highlights will be on everyday at the same time from Jan 1 thru Jan 15.
The Dakar Rally will be televised starting Jan 14, 7:00pm-8:00pm and continue to run at various times thru Jan 30.
| skuttledude | 01-01-2006 10:16 PM |
I wasn't thrilled with OLN's coverage today. It was ok but it surely doesn't compare to the one that SPEED aired (UK broadcast I believe) the last few years.
| Howl | 01-01-2006 10:48 PM |
For those of you that missed it: Both the De Rooy's (father and son) were disqualified in scrutineering. Sainz posted the best time for cars.
| Protege Menace | 01-01-2006 11:40 PM |
I have my friends DVR recording all of Dakar, watching todays episode tonight.
I saw some on speed a few years ago, and i LVOED it and the music, it was just so relaxing almost watching them out in the middle of nowhere with that music.
I saw some on speed a few years ago, and i LVOED it and the music, it was just so relaxing almost watching them out in the middle of nowhere with that music.
| Predwolf | 01-02-2006 01:09 AM |
Extremely excited.
I just want better coverage than last year though. 24 hours of Le Mans style coverage would rock, with the late night-early morning footage put to music.
*sigh*..Doubt that'll happen though.
I just want better coverage than last year though. 24 hours of Le Mans style coverage would rock, with the late night-early morning footage put to music.
*sigh*..Doubt that'll happen though.
| psg | 01-02-2006 01:59 AM |
The Europeans only get 24-27 minutes of coverage a day, and are (most likely) using the same footage as OLN. I don't get OLN, so I've been watching the Eurosport feed. Coverage thus far hasn't been great, but it's better than nothing.
| skuttledude | 01-02-2006 08:00 AM |
[QUOTE=psg]The Europeans only get 24-27 minutes of coverage a day, and are (most likely) using the same footage as OLN. I don't get OLN, so I've been watching the Eurosport feed. Coverage thus far hasn't been great, but it's better than nothing.[/QUOTE]
How do you get EuroSport channel???? Satellite? Cable? Other? That use to be my favorite channel when I lived east of the Atlantic.
How do you get EuroSport channel???? Satellite? Cable? Other? That use to be my favorite channel when I lived east of the Atlantic.
| Bonzo | 01-02-2006 09:08 AM |
That sucks big time for the DeRooys. They have been a mainstay for many many years. IMO a blow to the race and organisation.
We only get aprox 24 minutes in a 30 minute program thaks to commercials.
I thought the coverage was not bad at all. They have 3 main classes that demand air play. Remember later in the month the complete [I]shows[/I] will be aired. Now we get day to day coverage. Way to go OLN.
We only get aprox 24 minutes in a 30 minute program thaks to commercials.
I thought the coverage was not bad at all. They have 3 main classes that demand air play. Remember later in the month the complete [I]shows[/I] will be aired. Now we get day to day coverage. Way to go OLN.
| leaknoil | 01-02-2006 12:30 PM |
Gordon starting to move. Looks to be an exciting Dakar in the cars.
Mitsubishi's team director said "I told our drivers that Volkswagen are the main rivals, but we should also watch out for Jean-Louis Schlesser and Robbie Gordon"
Mitsubishi's team director said "I told our drivers that Volkswagen are the main rivals, but we should also watch out for Jean-Louis Schlesser and Robbie Gordon"
| scoobyRx | 01-02-2006 03:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Predwolf]Extremely excited.
I just want better coverage than last year though. 24 hours of Le Mans style coverage would rock, with the late night-early morning footage put to music.
*sigh*..Doubt that'll happen though.[/QUOTE]
remember that about 2/3 of the rally is at non-race speeds in transits, so I don't think 24 coverage would be too exciting.
first day coverage seemed ok to me, OLN is using the Euro feed for daily updates that they didn't do last year which I'm very happy about.
OLN is picking up more racing all the time with this, R/A rally and A1GP.
I just want better coverage than last year though. 24 hours of Le Mans style coverage would rock, with the late night-early morning footage put to music.
*sigh*..Doubt that'll happen though.[/QUOTE]
remember that about 2/3 of the rally is at non-race speeds in transits, so I don't think 24 coverage would be too exciting.
first day coverage seemed ok to me, OLN is using the Euro feed for daily updates that they didn't do last year which I'm very happy about.
OLN is picking up more racing all the time with this, R/A rally and A1GP.
| Dr. WOT | 01-03-2006 09:16 AM |
I have been very pleased with OLN's coverage this year, they are treating it like a motor sport instead of last year when it was more of an X-treme Axtion Sport y0! I am pretty sure however that those longer 1 hour shows will just be re-edits of the 1/2 hour shows, so don't get your hopes up too high.
I am following the action with the coverage, which is a day behind, so all my comments will follow as such....
First of all, it is great to see Il Madatore out there!! And in the WRC-like early stages he showed his form and drove the wheels off that thing. Let's hope he measures his pace carefully in Africa, although if you can expect any "rookie" to know enough to do that, it would be Sainz.
I'm very interested that Robbie's Hummer is 2WD, anyone have any thoughts on why they chose this route? He said they went with a heavier more stable vehicle rather than a small nimble one to impove performance in the dunes, let's hope that pays off.
Otherwise my favorites going in have to be Petterhansel (really going out on a limb with that one! :p) Roma (1st year on 4 wheels but has the experience), Saby, and my rooting interest Gordon.
Does anyone have any background on Miller the American driving the VW?
I am following the action with the coverage, which is a day behind, so all my comments will follow as such....
First of all, it is great to see Il Madatore out there!! And in the WRC-like early stages he showed his form and drove the wheels off that thing. Let's hope he measures his pace carefully in Africa, although if you can expect any "rookie" to know enough to do that, it would be Sainz.
I'm very interested that Robbie's Hummer is 2WD, anyone have any thoughts on why they chose this route? He said they went with a heavier more stable vehicle rather than a small nimble one to impove performance in the dunes, let's hope that pays off.
Otherwise my favorites going in have to be Petterhansel (really going out on a limb with that one! :p) Roma (1st year on 4 wheels but has the experience), Saby, and my rooting interest Gordon.
Does anyone have any background on Miller the American driving the VW?
| Jon Bogert | 01-03-2006 10:03 AM |
Coverage isn't half bad. Much better than last year, of course. Was it 2004 when they had the excellent daily coverage?
| Bonzo | 01-03-2006 11:15 AM |
I know last year Robby very publicly said the VW's compact and short travel design beat the F out of it's occupants. He was not a happy camper.
I am looking forward to seeing that 30" or so travel smoothly walk by the bouncy little cars everyone else is so accustomed to.
I am looking forward to seeing that 30" or so travel smoothly walk by the bouncy little cars everyone else is so accustomed to.
| Jon Bogert | 01-03-2006 11:55 AM |
[quote]I am looking forward to seeing that 30" or so travel smoothly walk by the bouncy little cars everyone else is so accustomed to.[/quote]People have run huge travel Baja-type trophy trucks in the past without much success. I love innovation, but you have to question whether it's wise to discount so many years of development that have led to the currently successful form factor.
| Howl | 01-03-2006 12:03 PM |
What happened to yesterday's coverage? They played the first day's coverage again?
| leaknoil | 01-03-2006 12:31 PM |
[QUOTE=Jon Bogert]People have run huge travel Baja-type trophy trucks in the past without much success. I love innovation, but you have to question whether it's wise to discount so many years of development that have led to the currently successful form factor.[/QUOTE]
Well as Gordon doesn't seem to have a time for todays stage and the tracking gizmo just shows him stopped on the course those may be fitting words.
Well as Gordon doesn't seem to have a time for todays stage and the tracking gizmo just shows him stopped on the course those may be fitting words.
| Bonzo | 01-03-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=Jon Bogert]People have run huge travel Baja-type trophy trucks in the past without much success. I love innovation, but you have to question whether it's wise to discount so many years of development that have led to the currently successful form factor.[/QUOTE]
Good point and true, big trucks have been run in the past. Maybe it's just not rough enough or all out speed over the rough stuff is not that important? Maneuverability(sp) and navigation may be the key.
The winners in the past have also had major factory support along with huge support during the event. The trucks that have run in the past along with Robby's effort is basically a privateer effort.
Good point and true, big trucks have been run in the past. Maybe it's just not rough enough or all out speed over the rough stuff is not that important? Maneuverability(sp) and navigation may be the key.
The winners in the past have also had major factory support along with huge support during the event. The trucks that have run in the past along with Robby's effort is basically a privateer effort.
| Protege Menace | 01-03-2006 01:45 PM |
man, those trucks are BADASS. They drive em like tanks, flip it over? oh well winch it back up!
and that one going down the gulley on 3 wheels was hillarious.
and that one going down the gulley on 3 wheels was hillarious.
| CirrusWRX | 01-03-2006 01:48 PM |
I think the OLN coverage has been quite decent.
Have the Windows MCE set up to record all week @ 4:00pm.
Have the Windows MCE set up to record all week @ 4:00pm.
| Howl | 01-03-2006 01:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]Good point and true, big trucks have been run in the past. Maybe it's just not rough enough or all out speed over the rough stuff is not that important? Maneuverability(sp) and navigation may be the key.
The winners in the past have also had major factory support along with huge support during the event. The trucks that have run in the past along with Robby's effort is basically a privateer effort.[/QUOTE]
There's also the need to go full-bore for at least a few hours every day, plus a lot of highway-speed miles (9,000km's in all), for 15 straight days with virtually no time for major repairs. Driving a regular trophy truck in the Dakar would be like driving an F1 car in the 24 Heures Du Mans. You might do okay for the first quarter of the race, but you won't last the distance.
The winners in the past have also had major factory support along with huge support during the event. The trucks that have run in the past along with Robby's effort is basically a privateer effort.[/QUOTE]
There's also the need to go full-bore for at least a few hours every day, plus a lot of highway-speed miles (9,000km's in all), for 15 straight days with virtually no time for major repairs. Driving a regular trophy truck in the Dakar would be like driving an F1 car in the 24 Heures Du Mans. You might do okay for the first quarter of the race, but you won't last the distance.
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