| ps99115 | 05-10-2005 10:03 PM |
Best sleeper wheels ?
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Im planning on getting an STi in a couple of months and I'm going to do it up totally stealth (wingless, debadged, mabey even FMIC and RS hood). I want to get some aftermarket wheels and tires that will follow with the stealth theme but not affect driveability or make the ride even more stiff. I was going to sell the STi BBS's (for around $1000) so I only want to pay this much for wheels/ tires. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jay
Thanks,
Jay
| BrianGT | 05-10-2005 10:07 PM |
why not just paint the stock wheels black. Then you don't have to worry about finding the right wheels with the right offset that will clear the brakes.
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Brian
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Brian
| CGM_WRX | 05-10-2005 10:08 PM |
Unless your front mount is going to be black I don't think there will be any "sleeper" aspect being had.
Will JDM/EDM 17's clear the Brembo's?
Will JDM/EDM 17's clear the Brembo's?
| WRXskeet | 05-10-2005 10:12 PM |
[QUOTE=CGM_WRX]Unless your front mount is going to be black I don't think there will be any "sleeper" aspect being had.
Other than that I say stock WRX/RS wheels.[/QUOTE]
to bad the sti has big brakes, and the WRX/rs wheels wont clear them
:confused:
-nate
Other than that I say stock WRX/RS wheels.[/QUOTE]
to bad the sti has big brakes, and the WRX/rs wheels wont clear them
:confused:
-nate
| CGM_WRX | 05-10-2005 10:21 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXskeet]to bad the sti has big brakes, and the WRX/rs wheels wont clear them
:confused:
-nate[/QUOTE]
Guess I need to work on my reading comprehension skills. :p
What about JDM/EDM 17's?
:confused:
-nate[/QUOTE]
Guess I need to work on my reading comprehension skills. :p
What about JDM/EDM 17's?
| Uncle Scotty | 05-10-2005 10:23 PM |
....black FMIC with a screen in front of it....paint the calipers blck.....get the silver wheels and paint them whatever color you see fit....RS hood(or painted CF scoopless hood)....keep the stock axleback....very light tint....no wing.....badge it as an RS :devil:
| WRXskeet | 05-10-2005 10:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....black FMIC with a screen in front of it....paint the calipers blck.....get the silver wheels and paint them whatever color you see fit....RS hood(or painted CF scoopless hood)....keep the stock axleback....very light tint....no wing.....badge it as an RS :devil:[/QUOTE]
damn, listen to this man, he has a plan :disco: :devil: :lol:
damn, listen to this man, he has a plan :disco: :devil: :lol:
| ps99115 | 05-10-2005 10:33 PM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....black FMIC with a screen in front of it....paint the calipers blck.....get the silver wheels and paint them whatever color you see fit....RS hood(or painted CF scoopless hood)....keep the stock axleback....very light tint....no wing.....badge it as an RS :devil:[/QUOTE]
Thats what I'm talking about! Its to bad the APS stealth black FMIC is about $500 more than the TurboXS IC (I think I'll just fork over the cash anyway to get that ultimate sleeper look). I actually dont like the stock BBS rims and wanted to get something different for a more unique look (but not too flashy). I done some searches and found that Rota makes some good wheels at a decent price. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the responses.
Jay
Thats what I'm talking about! Its to bad the APS stealth black FMIC is about $500 more than the TurboXS IC (I think I'll just fork over the cash anyway to get that ultimate sleeper look). I actually dont like the stock BBS rims and wanted to get something different for a more unique look (but not too flashy). I done some searches and found that Rota makes some good wheels at a decent price. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the responses.
Jay
| Uncle Scotty | 05-10-2005 11:19 PM |
.....I'm ALL ABOUT the sleeper gig....all the better to slip past the taxing pigs and roast the unsuspecting asses off the ricers and wannabes......:devil:
I mean REALLY.....why put bullseyes all over yourself and your car ?????
I mean REALLY.....why put bullseyes all over yourself and your car ?????
| paperchasin | 05-10-2005 11:34 PM |
this would be the only scenario in which i'd recommend rotas...
| ps99115 | 05-11-2005 12:02 AM |
[QUOTE=paperchasin]this would be the only scenario in which i'd recommend rotas...[/QUOTE]
Which rota's would you reccomend?
Which rota's would you reccomend?
| ps99115 | 05-11-2005 12:06 AM |
Another quick question. Can I buy a silver FMIC (not black) and then have it painted black? The APS FMIC is friggin expensive :)
| jbleee | 05-11-2005 12:10 AM |
Just get a black Forester XT, make it hood scoopless and add a fmic. And put groceries in the back seat and trunk
| Nightrunner | 05-11-2005 12:11 AM |
I just want to ask why people stealth their STi? As for the rim, I think PFF-7 looks pretty good.
| Uncle Scotty | 05-11-2005 12:18 AM |
[QUOTE=Nightrunner]I just want to ask why people stealth their STi? As for the rim, I think PFF-7 looks pretty good.[/QUOTE]
....so it dosen't look like all the other kiddies STi's....and they and the pigs leave ya alone.
....so it dosen't look like all the other kiddies STi's....and they and the pigs leave ya alone.
| spooledwrx | 05-11-2005 12:24 AM |
Are the as you say "pigs" really onto STi's and what they are cabable of?!
| paperchasin | 05-11-2005 01:04 AM |
[QUOTE=ps99115]Which rota's would you reccomend?[/QUOTE]
whichever ones appeal to u most...thats purely subjective so i'll leave it at that...
whichever ones appeal to u most...thats purely subjective so i'll leave it at that...
| Uncle Scotty | 05-11-2005 01:18 AM |
[QUOTE=paperchasin]whichever ones appeal to u most and fit over the brakes...thats purely subjective so i'll leave it at that...[/QUOTE][COLOR=White].....[/COLOR]
| IronMonkeyL255 | 05-11-2005 01:58 AM |
[QUOTE=spooledwrx]Are the as you say "pigs" really onto STi's and what they are cabable of?![/QUOTE]
You mean are the cops onto what the STi is capable of?
Probably not, but it looks fast, so they'll home in on it before anything else.....
You mean are the cops onto what the STi is capable of?
Probably not, but it looks fast, so they'll home in on it before anything else.....
| silver04rs | 05-11-2005 05:52 AM |
you can spray paint your FMIC black. i have read studies that show painting it does not reduce its eficency. and just run your stock rims, get the silver ones or PAINT them black or something. DO NOT powdercoat your stock rims because this will weaken them
travis
travis
| Danbob | 05-11-2005 08:27 AM |
flat black or gunmetal 17X8 Rota Slipstreams clear brembos. They are teh uber-stealth - Mount any aftermarket gauges in your console or inside your glovebox, if you get a turbo timer, get a black HKS type 0 and mount it where your ashtray would go- I have one and you cant tell it's there. Ditch the STi splitters and sideskirts and get regular wrx sideskirts. u can get serious money for your splitters and skirts. Definitely keep your stock axle-back - it will quiet the car tons....Badge it as an RS or just leave "Subaru" on the back with nothing else. RS hood is a must along with the black FMIC with black mesh in front if it. Do not clear your headlights - keeps the car lookin stock....keep your tint light and do not put any identification on the car that even tips people off that you might be in a car club like NASIOC....Get wrx foglights or just take the decals off the foglight covers. Thats al I can think of right now ut I will keep posting as I think of new ideas for you...Dan
| quest | 05-11-2005 08:31 AM |
and dont get a wrb sti...get one of the other colors that the rs is available in (black, white, silver, grey)...easier to make into a sleeper...
| WRB_in_my_veins | 05-11-2005 08:38 AM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]you can spray paint your FMIC black. i have read studies that show painting it does not reduce its eficency. and just run your stock rims, get the silver ones or PAINT them black or something. DO NOT powdercoat your stock rims because this will weaken them
travis[/QUOTE]
For added peace of mind, get yourself an Eastwood catalog (or use their website) and order their flat back radiator paint. It's made to match the paint used on factory black radiators. Apply it in light coats so as not to clog any fins and you should be just fine.
travis[/QUOTE]
For added peace of mind, get yourself an Eastwood catalog (or use their website) and order their flat back radiator paint. It's made to match the paint used on factory black radiators. Apply it in light coats so as not to clog any fins and you should be just fine.
| drivin blind | 05-11-2005 09:15 AM |
spooledwrx, to answer your question, Hell yes the cops are onto what the wrx AND the sti are capable of. That's their buisness. WRB is known as "stop me blue"
| offset | 05-11-2005 09:51 AM |
If you really want stealth, look into the upcoming CBRD Air/Water IC. No big radiator up front and no big scoop up top necessary. That would surely be sleeper look if someone saw the front of your car coming, they might see the big fat rad and know better. And I believe it will be less than the APS FMIC.
offset
offset
| J-So | 05-11-2005 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=silver04rs]DO NOT powdercoat your stock rims because this will weaken them
travis[/QUOTE]
Powdercoating will not weaken rims. Chroming on the other hand will, but that isn't very stealth.
travis[/QUOTE]
Powdercoating will not weaken rims. Chroming on the other hand will, but that isn't very stealth.
| Cole | 05-11-2005 11:16 AM |
EDM 17's look like stock WRX 16's. The only way to get more sleeper-er is by getting steelies. Supreme sleeper option = (4) steelies with (3) plastic wheelcovers
| 04scoobySTI | 05-11-2005 11:34 AM |
ahaha, i love the look of three hub caps.....do it!
| Call_me_Tom | 05-11-2005 11:39 AM |
[QUOTE=WRB_in_my_veins]For added peace of mind, get yourself an Eastwood catalog (or use their website) and order their flat back radiator paint. It's made to match the paint used on factory black radiators. Apply it in light coats so as not to clog any fins and you should be just fine.[/QUOTE]
It's that big ass sky scraper wing on the rear of the trunk that gets the cops attention.
It's that big ass sky scraper wing on the rear of the trunk that gets the cops attention.
| FlyingFishSandwich | 05-11-2005 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty]....black FMIC with a screen in front of it....paint the calipers blck.....get the silver wheels and paint them whatever color you see fit....RS hood(or painted CF scoopless hood)....keep the stock axleback....very light tint....no wing.....badge it as an RS :devil:[/QUOTE]
My dream car. Don't paint the wheels or by new ones though. Some people with an RS opt for the bigger wheels off the lot and most people will think you just did that. You could also go with a borla hush exaust for performance with out giving away too much.
My dream car. Don't paint the wheels or by new ones though. Some people with an RS opt for the bigger wheels off the lot and most people will think you just did that. You could also go with a borla hush exaust for performance with out giving away too much.
| wht052.5 | 05-11-2005 11:55 AM |
Why the hell would powder-coating weaken the rim? Heat?
Never heard that one.
Never heard that one.
| Tgui | 05-11-2005 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=FlyingFishSandwich]My dream car. Don't paint the wheels or by new ones though. Some people with an RS opt for the bigger wheels off the lot and most people will think you just did that. You could also go with a borla hush exaust for performance with out giving away too much.[/QUOTE]
I've got the hush on my Black STi, pretty quiet.
I'm usually wingless (tape on holes), and plan on the following.
*APS Black front mount
*2.5 RS hood, or carbon fiber from Seibon
*Seibom fiber rear deck, no wing
*Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in MD is going to powder coat my BBS's
* Totally debadged... well.. maybe a 2.5RS badge :D
* Legal tint ;)
Right now...
* my tuna pro is in my dash, but hidden
* Utec map selection switch is also hidden in plain sight
* A few other things that I won't share will also add to the stealth factor
I'll post picks when I get done.
-Eric-
I've got the hush on my Black STi, pretty quiet.
I'm usually wingless (tape on holes), and plan on the following.
*APS Black front mount
*2.5 RS hood, or carbon fiber from Seibon
*Seibom fiber rear deck, no wing
*Ye Olde Wheel Shoppe in MD is going to powder coat my BBS's
* Totally debadged... well.. maybe a 2.5RS badge :D
* Legal tint ;)
Right now...
* my tuna pro is in my dash, but hidden
* Utec map selection switch is also hidden in plain sight
* A few other things that I won't share will also add to the stealth factor
I'll post picks when I get done.
-Eric-
| express_wagon | 05-11-2005 12:04 PM |
you might as well paint the brembos too, huge gold calipers wont give it away...right...give me a break
| ps99115 | 05-11-2005 04:28 PM |
Thanks for all the responses,
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know if installing the FMIC will cause any reliability issues or warranty issues? My feeling is that it wont affect reliablitlity because the larger IC will cause increased cooling extending the life or the turbo.
Also, any feeling as to what people think of the TurboXS versus the APS IC's? I know the APS can handle a lot more upgrades and horsepower down the road, but whether I need all that extra horespower ......
Thanks,
Jay
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know if installing the FMIC will cause any reliability issues or warranty issues? My feeling is that it wont affect reliablitlity because the larger IC will cause increased cooling extending the life or the turbo.
Also, any feeling as to what people think of the TurboXS versus the APS IC's? I know the APS can handle a lot more upgrades and horsepower down the road, but whether I need all that extra horespower ......
Thanks,
Jay
| WRXSIG | 05-11-2005 04:36 PM |
[QUOTE=J-So]Powdercoating will not weaken rims. Chroming on the other hand will, but that isn't very stealth.[/QUOTE]
ummm yes it will :rolleyes: powdercoating will weaken the wheels. Myriad amount of vette owners, and check out VW Vortex. Theres more than enough of incidents to warrant not powdercoating wheels. The high temperatures that are required to "bake" the powdercoat onto the wheel can significantly decrease its sheer strength and ability to reject compression. :rolleyes:
ummm yes it will :rolleyes: powdercoating will weaken the wheels. Myriad amount of vette owners, and check out VW Vortex. Theres more than enough of incidents to warrant not powdercoating wheels. The high temperatures that are required to "bake" the powdercoat onto the wheel can significantly decrease its sheer strength and ability to reject compression. :rolleyes:
| WRXSIG | 05-11-2005 04:39 PM |
[QUOTE=ps99115]Thanks for all the responses,
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know if installing the FMIC will cause any reliability issues or warranty issues? My feeling is that it wont affect reliablitlity because the larger IC will cause increased cooling extending the life or the turbo.
Also, any feeling as to what people think of the TurboXS versus the APS IC's? I know the APS can handle a lot more upgrades and horsepower down the road, but whether I need all that extra horespower ......
Thanks,
Jay[/QUOTE]
Anytime you change a stock set up of anything on the car....for example-> top mount to a FMIC your setting yourself up for problems. Its a simple fact..But with good tuning and a proper setup you should be fine. Do you have a stock turbo? why upgrade to a FMIC then? (if you do) :confused:
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know if installing the FMIC will cause any reliability issues or warranty issues? My feeling is that it wont affect reliablitlity because the larger IC will cause increased cooling extending the life or the turbo.
Also, any feeling as to what people think of the TurboXS versus the APS IC's? I know the APS can handle a lot more upgrades and horsepower down the road, but whether I need all that extra horespower ......
Thanks,
Jay[/QUOTE]
Anytime you change a stock set up of anything on the car....for example-> top mount to a FMIC your setting yourself up for problems. Its a simple fact..But with good tuning and a proper setup you should be fine. Do you have a stock turbo? why upgrade to a FMIC then? (if you do) :confused:
| andrew12 | 05-11-2005 09:59 PM |
injen FMIC can be bought in black... its not the biggest FMIC on the market by far, but it seems to be pretty efficent and is good for a decent amount of power upgrade... twocents of course.
chile
chile
| shoeler25 | 05-11-2005 10:33 PM |
WRXSIG, i believe the purpose of the FMIC, as stated earlier is for the sleeper look and losing the large scoop. and why is my quote button not working?
| Uncle Scotty | 05-12-2005 12:18 AM |
[QUOTE=shoeler25]WRXSIG, i believe the purpose of the FMIC, as stated earlier is for the sleeper look and losing the large scoop. and why is my quote button not working?[/QUOTE]
...wait for it ;)
...wait for it ;)
| WRX Rush | 05-12-2005 12:26 AM |
O.Z. Chrono Evolutions as for sale here. . . . :)
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9771047#post9771047[/url]
Rush
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9771047#post9771047[/url]
Rush
| WRXSIG | 05-12-2005 12:43 AM |
[QUOTE=shoeler25]WRXSIG, i believe the purpose of the FMIC, as stated earlier is for the sleeper look and losing the large scoop. and why is my quote button not working?[/QUOTE]
yeah thats cool, i was just sayin... :)
btw off topic but what part of rochester do you live in? I grew up there, lived there for about 14yrs.....graduated from McQuaid in 03 :) hit me up in a PM, or aol im sometime :p
yeah thats cool, i was just sayin... :)
btw off topic but what part of rochester do you live in? I grew up there, lived there for about 14yrs.....graduated from McQuaid in 03 :) hit me up in a PM, or aol im sometime :p
| ps99115 | 05-12-2005 12:44 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]Anytime you change a stock set up of anything on the car....for example-> top mount to a FMIC your setting yourself up for problems. Its a simple fact..But with good tuning and a proper setup you should be fine. Do you have a stock turbo? why upgrade to a FMIC then? (if you do) :confused:[/QUOTE]
FMIC = adds to stealth factor buy loosing the hood scoop. Anyone have any feedback about problems when adding a FMIC to replace the TMIC? Again, I would do it only for the stealth factor and am not interested in other upgrades/ modifications at this time.
FMIC = adds to stealth factor buy loosing the hood scoop. Anyone have any feedback about problems when adding a FMIC to replace the TMIC? Again, I would do it only for the stealth factor and am not interested in other upgrades/ modifications at this time.
| Capt Crunch | 05-12-2005 01:15 AM |
get a water to air intercooler. The vendor CBRD is making one. Look into it, you can get rid of the hood scoop, and the radiator is smaller than an intercooler core.
| WagnerRX03 | 05-12-2005 01:18 AM |
[img]http://www.subydude.com/images/prod/products/Wheels/400/400/17actionsteelgrey01subydude.jpg[/img]
I think the rota action looks really sleeper in a steel gray color too
I think the rota action looks really sleeper in a steel gray color too
| Wrekaro | 05-12-2005 01:38 AM |
Get RA steelies ;)
| offset | 05-12-2005 07:59 AM |
[QUOTE=Capt Crunch]get a water to air intercooler. The vendor CBRD is making one. Look into it, you can get rid of the hood scoop, and the radiator is smaller than an intercooler core.[/QUOTE]
I already said that and it seems to have been largely ignored.
[QUOTE=offset]If you really want stealth, look into the upcoming CBRD Air/Water IC. No big radiator up front and no big scoop up top necessary. That would surely be sleeper look if someone saw the front of your car coming, they might see the big fat rad and know better. And I believe it will be less than the APS FMIC.
offset[/QUOTE]
offset
I already said that and it seems to have been largely ignored.
[QUOTE=offset]If you really want stealth, look into the upcoming CBRD Air/Water IC. No big radiator up front and no big scoop up top necessary. That would surely be sleeper look if someone saw the front of your car coming, they might see the big fat rad and know better. And I believe it will be less than the APS FMIC.
offset[/QUOTE]
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| Tkacik | 05-12-2005 08:13 AM |
Stick with the stock steelies for the ultimate sleeper look. :D
| 05rswagon | 05-12-2005 08:19 AM |
I was just reading...I went to McQuaid I graduated in 2000 what a small world
| ps99115 | 05-12-2005 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Capt Crunch]get a water to air intercooler. The vendor CBRD is making one. Look into it, you can get rid of the hood scoop, and the radiator is smaller than an intercooler core.[/QUOTE]
I did a search and could not find any info on this IC. How can I find out details about it?
I did a search and could not find any info on this IC. How can I find out details about it?
| omahasubaru | 05-12-2005 03:24 PM |
sliver wheels aren't done anymore and are a nice sleeper look. If you really want to throw them off, sell your stock brake off and get some nice ones that will fit under some nice 16" wheels. Smaller will throw them off even more.
Either way silver is the way to go. That's the color I run on my sleeper.
Either way silver is the way to go. That's the color I run on my sleeper.
| ps99115 | 05-12-2005 06:17 PM |
[QUOTE=Capt Crunch]get a water to air intercooler. The vendor CBRD is making one. Look into it, you can get rid of the hood scoop, and the radiator is smaller than an intercooler core.[/QUOTE]
Scratch my last post. I did some more searching and found that the IC has not been released yet so very little info available. But how streetable is the Air/ water IC? It seems like it is maily used for race/ track purposes. My Sti will be my daily driver.
Jay
Scratch my last post. I did some more searching and found that the IC has not been released yet so very little info available. But how streetable is the Air/ water IC? It seems like it is maily used for race/ track purposes. My Sti will be my daily driver.
Jay
| offset | 05-12-2005 07:05 PM |
Well, you are talking about a sleeper as if to say you will be driving it like you would on the track except that you will be on the street. Someone just did their own big install and made a custom AWIC. It is perfectly fine on the street from what I have read (but I am far from being an expert on this topic).
offset
offset
| ps99115 | 05-12-2005 08:08 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]Anytime you change a stock set up of anything on the car....for example-> top mount to a FMIC your setting yourself up for problems. Its a simple fact..But with good tuning and a proper setup you should be fine. Do you have a stock turbo? why upgrade to a FMIC then? (if you do) :confused:[/QUOTE]
Ive heard that with just a FMIC install, you don't need neither engine management or tuning. you would just be replacing the TMIC with a FMIC with no other mods. I will probably perform other modifications down the road but not anytime soon. Anyone think I will run into problems with this setup (b/c im also concerned about reliability issues)?
Jay
Ive heard that with just a FMIC install, you don't need neither engine management or tuning. you would just be replacing the TMIC with a FMIC with no other mods. I will probably perform other modifications down the road but not anytime soon. Anyone think I will run into problems with this setup (b/c im also concerned about reliability issues)?
Jay
| Capt Crunch | 05-12-2005 08:14 PM |
[QUOTE=offset]I already said that and it seems to have been largely ignored.
offset[/QUOTE]
:( sorry mang
offset[/QUOTE]
:( sorry mang
| Uncle Scotty | 05-12-2005 11:41 PM |
...damn....and I wasn't gonna post on the air/liquid IC.....that was my ace-in-the-hole :(
| WRXSIG | 05-13-2005 01:55 AM |
[QUOTE=ps99115]Ive heard that with just a FMIC install, you don't need neither engine management or tuning. you would just be replacing the TMIC with a FMIC with no other mods. I will probably perform other modifications down the road but not anytime soon. Anyone think I will run into problems with this setup (b/c im also concerned about reliability issues)?
Jay[/QUOTE]
w/o any mods wouldnt there be hella turbo lag? :confused: ( i ask cause i dont know)
Jay[/QUOTE]
w/o any mods wouldnt there be hella turbo lag? :confused: ( i ask cause i dont know)
| ps99115 | 05-13-2005 02:30 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXSIG]w/o any mods wouldnt there be hella turbo lag? :confused: ( i ask cause i dont know)[/QUOTE]
Ive heard different opionios on this issue. Some say that the do experience some turbo lag, but the STi has very little lag to begin with. Others say that they experience no lag but a higher top end. Any feedback?
Ive heard different opionios on this issue. Some say that the do experience some turbo lag, but the STi has very little lag to begin with. Others say that they experience no lag but a higher top end. Any feedback?
| STi-Spec C | 05-13-2005 03:09 PM |
instead of painting the brembos swap them with the wrx ones. i know that you're going to stake a step back in braking but if you really want the sleeper look i think you should do this. too many RSs out there have sti body kits and what not but they still have their stock brakes.
| ps99115 | 05-13-2005 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=STi-Spec C]instead of painting the brembos swap them with the wrx ones. i know that you're going to stake a step back in braking but if you really want the sleeper look i think you should do this. too many RSs out there have sti body kits and what not but they still have their stock brakes.[/QUOTE]
This kind of defeats the purpose of being stealth: Have a high performance car that does not look the part. I'd be sacrificing braking performance if I were to swap brakes.
This kind of defeats the purpose of being stealth: Have a high performance car that does not look the part. I'd be sacrificing braking performance if I were to swap brakes.
| ps99115 | 05-14-2005 01:09 PM |
What do you all think of TXS FMIC versus the Injen FMIC? I heard the Injen retains the stock bumper beam so no sacrifice of saftey issues/ insurance issues.
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