| Dussander | 06-14-2005 03:21 PM |
From what I've heard (but have not seen an evidence) is that they didn't start using the red light in Montreal until Montoya went to pit. (They just forgot about it until then). It's obvious from the picture I posted with Barrichelo that they didn't use it in that case.
I'm not sure why DC put up a fight since he was a lap down, he would have just been blue flagged once the race restarted anyway. One less car to move over for.
I'm not sure why DC put up a fight since he was a lap down, he would have just been blue flagged once the race restarted anyway. One less car to move over for.
| GarySheehan | 06-14-2005 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]A stop and go, or drive-through would have clearly been the appropriate, or strongest, justifiable penalty for that infraction.
Another mistake the Canadiens made is rolling their beloved Safety Car for a normal dead car on course. We now know that w/o the safety car, Montoya would have won, since McLaren was going to have Juan and Kimi hold station at first and second respectively. McLaren knew that Juan was fast, and Kimi had the steering problems.
We wouldn't even be talking about this silliness if those Canadiens would figure out how to run an F1 race with out rolling out their beloved Safety Cars! Every year they destroy the natural flow of their F1 race by rolling their SC at least once, if not multiple times during the race. They need to install high cranes, and other methods of removing dead cars from the course, so that they can stage a proper F1 race.
F1 should pull Montreal from the calendar until they make the needed changes to prevent rolling a safety car.[/QUOTE]
I believe blowing through a red light at the end of pit lane may be as serious as ignoring a red flag on track.
The Canadians do not run the race. The FIA F1 Stewards do. The same group of people go to and run every race. The FIA has approved the track and the safety equipment and runs the race accordingly. Safety cars are now a part of F1.
This was not a Canadian plot to destroy the race. The Canadian GP is also one of the favorite races for the drivers as well.
[Quote=Dussander]From what I've heard (but have not seen an evidence) is that they didn't start using the red light in Montreal until Montoya went to pit. (They just forgot about it until then). It's obvious from the picture I posted with Barrichelo that they didn't use it in that case.
I'm not sure why DC put up a fight since he was a lap down, he would have just been blue flagged once the race restarted anyway. One less car to move over for.[/Quote]
I'm inclined to doubt that this is the case. From where Barrichello came out, I would assume that the pit lane marshall felt that there was adequate time for Reubens to rejoin the race AHEAD of the safety car. The same cannot be said for the timing when JPM left the pits.
Gary
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Another mistake the Canadiens made is rolling their beloved Safety Car for a normal dead car on course. We now know that w/o the safety car, Montoya would have won, since McLaren was going to have Juan and Kimi hold station at first and second respectively. McLaren knew that Juan was fast, and Kimi had the steering problems.
We wouldn't even be talking about this silliness if those Canadiens would figure out how to run an F1 race with out rolling out their beloved Safety Cars! Every year they destroy the natural flow of their F1 race by rolling their SC at least once, if not multiple times during the race. They need to install high cranes, and other methods of removing dead cars from the course, so that they can stage a proper F1 race.
F1 should pull Montreal from the calendar until they make the needed changes to prevent rolling a safety car.[/QUOTE]
I believe blowing through a red light at the end of pit lane may be as serious as ignoring a red flag on track.
The Canadians do not run the race. The FIA F1 Stewards do. The same group of people go to and run every race. The FIA has approved the track and the safety equipment and runs the race accordingly. Safety cars are now a part of F1.
This was not a Canadian plot to destroy the race. The Canadian GP is also one of the favorite races for the drivers as well.
[Quote=Dussander]From what I've heard (but have not seen an evidence) is that they didn't start using the red light in Montreal until Montoya went to pit. (They just forgot about it until then). It's obvious from the picture I posted with Barrichelo that they didn't use it in that case.
I'm not sure why DC put up a fight since he was a lap down, he would have just been blue flagged once the race restarted anyway. One less car to move over for.[/Quote]
I'm inclined to doubt that this is the case. From where Barrichello came out, I would assume that the pit lane marshall felt that there was adequate time for Reubens to rejoin the race AHEAD of the safety car. The same cannot be said for the timing when JPM left the pits.
Gary
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| TimStevens | 06-14-2005 03:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]I'm not sure why DC put up a fight since he was a lap down, he would have just been blue flagged once the race restarted anyway. One less car to move over for.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing to fight about. DC was ahead of montoya when he came out of the pits. Therefore Montoya goes behind DC. Passing on a yellow is a drive-through penalty on its own.
There's nothing to fight about. DC was ahead of montoya when he came out of the pits. Therefore Montoya goes behind DC. Passing on a yellow is a drive-through penalty on its own.
| Kha0S | 06-14-2005 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]
This was not a Canadian plot to destroy the race. The Canadian GP is also one of the favorite races for the drivers as well.
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From what I've read, it's certainly not a "favorite" of Mark Webber's, from what I read in last month's F1 Racing, but perhaps other drivers like it a lot.
It's certainly the better of the two North American events.
/Andrew
This was not a Canadian plot to destroy the race. The Canadian GP is also one of the favorite races for the drivers as well.
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From what I've read, it's certainly not a "favorite" of Mark Webber's, from what I read in last month's F1 Racing, but perhaps other drivers like it a lot.
It's certainly the better of the two North American events.
/Andrew
| Rick Hunter | 06-14-2005 03:49 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]A stop and go, or drive-through would have clearly been the appropriate, or strongest, justifiable penalty for that infraction.
Another mistake the Canadiens made is rolling their beloved Safety Car for a normal dead car on course. We now know that w/o the safety car, Montoya would have won, since McLaren was going to have Juan and Kimi hold station at first and second respectively. McLaren knew that Juan was fast, and Kimi had the steering problems.
We wouldn't even be talking about this silliness if those Canadiens would figure out how to run an F1 race with out rolling out their beloved Safety Cars! Every year they destroy the natural flow of their F1 race by rolling their SC at least once, if not multiple times during the race. They need to install high cranes, and other methods of removing dead cars from the course, so that they can stage a proper F1 race.
F1 should pull Montreal from the calendar until they make the needed changes to prevent rolling a safety car.[/QUOTE]
Us CanadiAns say F1 stays here in Montreal. It won't be pulled cause some yank that can't spell Canadians properly preaches it in every post he makes! :lol: Come on, it was an exciting race, probably way more exciting than it would have been without the safety car. It was a nice fight till the end, it had me sitting on the edge of my seat. :)
Hey, we already resurfaced the track after all the years of complaints, give us another half a decade and we'll bring in a crane for that chicane. ;)
Another mistake the Canadiens made is rolling their beloved Safety Car for a normal dead car on course. We now know that w/o the safety car, Montoya would have won, since McLaren was going to have Juan and Kimi hold station at first and second respectively. McLaren knew that Juan was fast, and Kimi had the steering problems.
We wouldn't even be talking about this silliness if those Canadiens would figure out how to run an F1 race with out rolling out their beloved Safety Cars! Every year they destroy the natural flow of their F1 race by rolling their SC at least once, if not multiple times during the race. They need to install high cranes, and other methods of removing dead cars from the course, so that they can stage a proper F1 race.
F1 should pull Montreal from the calendar until they make the needed changes to prevent rolling a safety car.[/QUOTE]
Us CanadiAns say F1 stays here in Montreal. It won't be pulled cause some yank that can't spell Canadians properly preaches it in every post he makes! :lol: Come on, it was an exciting race, probably way more exciting than it would have been without the safety car. It was a nice fight till the end, it had me sitting on the edge of my seat. :)
Hey, we already resurfaced the track after all the years of complaints, give us another half a decade and we'll bring in a crane for that chicane. ;)
| srf | 06-14-2005 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]The Canadians do not run the race. The FIA F1 Stewards do. The same group of people go to and run every race. The FIA has approved the track and the safety equipment and runs the race accordingly. Safety cars are now a part of F1.
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Hmm, history would be a bit different if that were true. There are different stewards for each race:
[url]http://www.f1db.com/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q55[/url]
"In order to ensure sporting equity, the Stewards vary from one event to another; two of them are nominated by the FIA from amongst holders of the Stewards' super licence. The third Steward is designated by the National Sporting Authority of the country in which the event takes place. The Stewards appointed by the FIA are of a different nationality from the country of the event. "
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Hmm, history would be a bit different if that were true. There are different stewards for each race:
[url]http://www.f1db.com/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1#q55[/url]
"In order to ensure sporting equity, the Stewards vary from one event to another; two of them are nominated by the FIA from amongst holders of the Stewards' super licence. The third Steward is designated by the National Sporting Authority of the country in which the event takes place. The Stewards appointed by the FIA are of a different nationality from the country of the event. "
| GarySheehan | 06-14-2005 04:00 PM |
Wow! That's very surprising. I would assume then that at least the Chief Steward is always provided by the FIA. I believe it would be his call as to what penalties are handed down during and after the race.
Gary
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| srf | 06-14-2005 04:15 PM |
Yes, that would be an assumption.
| GarySheehan | 06-14-2005 04:24 PM |
A poor assumption, or a valid assumption?
Gary
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| Alpinestar | 06-15-2005 02:48 AM |
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-corey
| Dussander | 06-15-2005 11:05 AM |
[quote]There's nothing to fight about. DC was ahead of montoya when he came out of the pits. Therefore Montoya goes behind DC. Passing on a yellow is a drive-through penalty on its own.[/quote]
He seemed to come out next to DC on the exit of the pit lane:
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url]
He seemed to come out next to DC on the exit of the pit lane:
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url]
| TimStevens | 06-15-2005 11:11 AM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]He seemed to come out next to DC on the exit of the pit lane:
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Depends where you look. If you look back at the pit exit or start/finish line, when Montoya crossed them DC was already half-way through the chicane. If you use the white line that goes across the track after the chicane, DC had a nose ahead of Montoya when they both crossed it. Montoya pulled ahead after that, but DC was clearly ahead coming out of the corner and Montoya blew by him on the outside.
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Depends where you look. If you look back at the pit exit or start/finish line, when Montoya crossed them DC was already half-way through the chicane. If you use the white line that goes across the track after the chicane, DC had a nose ahead of Montoya when they both crossed it. Montoya pulled ahead after that, but DC was clearly ahead coming out of the corner and Montoya blew by him on the outside.
| Dussander | 06-15-2005 11:40 AM |
I suppose the ambiguity of the situation is why they don't let cars exit the pits when the safety car train is going by. :)
Man, I just wish McLaren would have stacked the pits like they should have.
Man, I just wish McLaren would have stacked the pits like they should have.
| TimStevens | 06-15-2005 11:41 AM |
Heh, yep, just one reason :)
| GarySheehan | 06-15-2005 01:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]He seemed to come out next to DC on the exit of the pit lane:
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url][/QUOTE]
There's nothing to fight about because JPM left the pits illegally.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
[url]http://users.telenet.be/michaelT/TV_36_14062005_1608.0000.mpg[/url][/QUOTE]
There's nothing to fight about because JPM left the pits illegally.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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| Dussander | 06-15-2005 02:17 PM |
If you stand back far enough and view Tim and my conversation about some minor detail, then yes there is no real need to discuss it, but then again, you could step back further and claim there is no point in talking about the race at all since it is over.
| TimStevens | 06-15-2005 02:23 PM |
In similar news, Schumacher was totally at fault when he took out Damon Hill in 94.
:)
:)
| GarySheehan | 06-15-2005 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]In similar news, Schumacher was totally at fault when he took out Damon Hill in 94.
:)[/QUOTE]
Now you're just trying to cause a ruckus!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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:)[/QUOTE]
Now you're just trying to cause a ruckus!
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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