| TimStevens | 03-10-2006 12:27 PM |
Hey Bonz, since you're the exhaust guy, any idea what the tabs welded on here are for?
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
| KAX | 03-10-2006 12:43 PM |
It sounded more like a shifting thing then a rev-limiter or engine problem. By the time they shift they are out of the vibration ranges (14-16k according to Varsha and the gang) so it should be caused by that. It just sounded to me like a stutter in the gearbox or something, idk what it could be but that was my take.
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.
| GDR | 03-10-2006 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Hey Bonz, since you're the exhaust guy, any idea what the tabs welded on here are for?
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats a slip fit conection. The tabs hold it together.
There sure are alot of nice pics there :banana:
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url][/QUOTE]
Thats a slip fit conection. The tabs hold it together.
There sure are alot of nice pics there :banana:
| TimStevens | 03-10-2006 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]It sounded more like a shifting thing then a rev-limiter or engine problem. By the time they shift they are out of the vibration ranges (14-16k according to Varsha and the gang) so it should be caused by that. It just sounded to me like a stutter in the gearbox or something, idk what it could be but that was my take.
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.[/QUOTE]
Could be JPM's fat bellah, too :)
And IIRC they said that vibration range was in the V-10's, but that the V8's just get progressively worse the higher you rev them.
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.[/QUOTE]
Could be JPM's fat bellah, too :)
And IIRC they said that vibration range was in the V-10's, but that the V8's just get progressively worse the higher you rev them.
| Ferg | 03-10-2006 01:04 PM |
I think it has [i]something[/i] to do with seemless shift.
I was sort of half asleep when practice was going on so I can't recall if I heard it on all the cars. It seemed to be most evident on the Williams and McLaren, both of which run with seemless.
I was sort of half asleep when practice was going on so I can't recall if I heard it on all the cars. It seemed to be most evident on the Williams and McLaren, both of which run with seemless.
| KAX | 03-10-2006 01:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]I think it has [i]something[/i] to do with seemless shift.
I was sort of half asleep when practice was going on so I can't recall if I heard it on all the cars. It seemed to be most evident on the Williams and McLaren, both of which run with seemless.[/QUOTE]
i thought seemless shifting was illegal. I remember either last year or the year before Honda was accused of running it. Or is it a CVT thats illegal?
I was sort of half asleep when practice was going on so I can't recall if I heard it on all the cars. It seemed to be most evident on the Williams and McLaren, both of which run with seemless.[/QUOTE]
i thought seemless shifting was illegal. I remember either last year or the year before Honda was accused of running it. Or is it a CVT thats illegal?
| TimStevens | 03-10-2006 01:23 PM |
CVT is illegal, and apparently Honda's tranny was deemed to be too close to a CVT... for some stupid reason.
| BROKENWRX | 03-10-2006 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]It sounded more like a shifting thing then a rev-limiter or engine problem. By the time they shift they are out of the vibration ranges (14-16k according to Varsha and the gang) so it should be caused by that. It just sounded to me like a stutter in the gearbox or something, idk what it could be but that was my take.
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.[/QUOTE]
The 14-16k is the vibration area for the 10cyl, once they push through that rev range the harmonics sort them self�s out. The v8 will get more vibration as rev's increase.
To me it sounded like the trany was not up shifting fast enough and keeping the motor on the rev limit, as it was previously said this was only in a strait line. The down shifts seamed spot on. When I get back home tonight I am going to see if any of the in car shot show the steering wheel.
Jamie
And RD said the gearing is different between Kimi and JPM's car, im guessing thats why Kimi's pulls harder, and JPM thinks its flat.[/QUOTE]
The 14-16k is the vibration area for the 10cyl, once they push through that rev range the harmonics sort them self�s out. The v8 will get more vibration as rev's increase.
To me it sounded like the trany was not up shifting fast enough and keeping the motor on the rev limit, as it was previously said this was only in a strait line. The down shifts seamed spot on. When I get back home tonight I am going to see if any of the in car shot show the steering wheel.
Jamie
| Bonzo | 03-10-2006 02:20 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Hey Bonz, since you're the exhaust guy, any idea what the tabs welded on here are for?
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url][/QUOTE]
It's actually a secret tuned resonance device. ;)
See GDR's answer.
I scoured those pics this morning. :D Thanks Marshal. :)
The Toyota's exhuast has some rather large steps with huge diameter tubes entering a very short or steep coupled collector.
[url]http:[email�protected]/110502705/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url][/QUOTE]
It's actually a secret tuned resonance device. ;)
See GDR's answer.
I scoured those pics this morning. :D Thanks Marshal. :)
The Toyota's exhuast has some rather large steps with huge diameter tubes entering a very short or steep coupled collector.
| BriDrive | 03-10-2006 02:36 PM |
The engine (Kimi's)...to me at least... sounded like it was just misfiring at the upper reaches...
I've heard other engines burp the same way (not f1) that sounded identical to Kimi's. One that stands out particularly is the Maserati MC12 that Risi Comp co-ran in ALMS in 2005.
Maybe they were enriching it during practice to save it for the qualis and race.
I know, it sounds oversimplified, but its certainly a possibilty.
On a final note for this post, I, for one am not thrilled with the V8 sounds in general. They lack the overall outright aggression and shriek and intimidating, God-awful wail of the v10's...but...so be it.
BriDrive
I've heard other engines burp the same way (not f1) that sounded identical to Kimi's. One that stands out particularly is the Maserati MC12 that Risi Comp co-ran in ALMS in 2005.
Maybe they were enriching it during practice to save it for the qualis and race.
I know, it sounds oversimplified, but its certainly a possibilty.
On a final note for this post, I, for one am not thrilled with the V8 sounds in general. They lack the overall outright aggression and shriek and intimidating, God-awful wail of the v10's...but...so be it.
BriDrive
| Harvey_Mushman | 03-10-2006 02:47 PM |
Thanks Bonzo, wonderful stuff. I like this:
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?
| Bonzo | 03-10-2006 02:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Harvey_Mushman]Thanks Bonzo, wonderful stuff. I like this:
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?[/QUOTE]
hehe, you're good! Blind monkey?
I would have never caught that.
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?[/QUOTE]
hehe, you're good! Blind monkey?
I would have never caught that.
| KAX | 03-10-2006 03:02 PM |
[QUOTE=Harvey_Mushman]Thanks Bonzo, wonderful stuff. I like this:
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?[/QUOTE]
good find, that needs to go into the Trunk Monkey thread
I agree with BriDrive on the sound. Its too calm for me right now, I miss the sounds of speed with my surround sound up and the wailing V10s. Im sure well all get used to it, and itll eventually begin to sound more aggressive then it does now. Ill have to wait for the start of the race and sunday for the true sound output of the V8s compared to 10s. I for one, will not be exchanged my V10 gear change ring tone for a V8 anytime soon.
[url]http:[email�protected]/110503241/in/set-72057594050646486/[/url]
Is that a Trunk Monkey without a trunk?[/QUOTE]
good find, that needs to go into the Trunk Monkey thread
I agree with BriDrive on the sound. Its too calm for me right now, I miss the sounds of speed with my surround sound up and the wailing V10s. Im sure well all get used to it, and itll eventually begin to sound more aggressive then it does now. Ill have to wait for the start of the race and sunday for the true sound output of the V8s compared to 10s. I for one, will not be exchanged my V10 gear change ring tone for a V8 anytime soon.
| StuBeck | 03-10-2006 03:28 PM |
The CVT thing was covered in the other thread, I can't remember BAR's system being banned though. I honestly can't remember the noise, I thought it was just the whoosh of air when the cars shift gears. It truly is amazing hearing it on the track. I as well was too tired to remember to listen to the different sounds.
I don't think it was Kimi's engine, he says there was an electrical problem (which would explain the smoke coming out of the dash)
I wonder how quikcly Colin Koles will get pissy that Toro Rosso is beating them and half the field. I don't think its completely down to the engines though, but who knows.
I don't know if Bridgestone is having issues, that tire off of Massa was destroyed after a very short flat spotting.
I don't think it was Kimi's engine, he says there was an electrical problem (which would explain the smoke coming out of the dash)
I wonder how quikcly Colin Koles will get pissy that Toro Rosso is beating them and half the field. I don't think its completely down to the engines though, but who knows.
I don't know if Bridgestone is having issues, that tire off of Massa was destroyed after a very short flat spotting.
| jpsimon | 03-10-2006 04:34 PM |
photos from practice
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/engine1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/bmw1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/ferrari1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/ferrari2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/engine1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/bmw1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/ferrari1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/ferrari2.jpg[/img]
| jpsimon | 03-10-2006 04:34 PM |
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/honda1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/honda2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/redbull1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/renault1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/toyota1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/toyota2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/david1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/honda2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/redbull1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/renault1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/toyota1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/toyota2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/david1.jpg[/img]
| Ferg | 03-10-2006 05:27 PM |
[QUOTE=jpsimon]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc3.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
Dear Ron,
In all respect, considering your somewhat recent troubles with reliability, was it such a good idea to put the phrase, "Keep Walking" on the side of the MP4/21?
Sincerely,
A Concerned Fan
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/01bahrain-pracice/merc3.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]
Dear Ron,
In all respect, considering your somewhat recent troubles with reliability, was it such a good idea to put the phrase, "Keep Walking" on the side of the MP4/21?
Sincerely,
A Concerned Fan
| jpsimon | 03-10-2006 05:29 PM |
hahah
| Ferg | 03-10-2006 08:31 PM |
Here's a view you don't normally get to see....
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57076685/original.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57076685/original.jpg[/IMG]
| MattDell | 03-11-2006 12:48 AM |
Someone tell me. What's with the "Look Left. Look Right." decals on the Hondas?
And why is JPM in a yellow MB livery?
-Matt
And why is JPM in a yellow MB livery?
-Matt
| nKoan | 03-11-2006 01:22 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Dear Ron,
In all respect, considering your somewhat recent troubles with reliability, was it such a good idea to put the phrase, "Keep Walking" on the side of the MP4/21?
Sincerely,
A Concerned Fan[/QUOTE]
Hah.
[QUOTE=MattDell]Someone tell me. What's with the "Look Left. Look Right." decals on the Hondas?
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Isn't that where the Lucky Strike stickers go when they aren't racing in a country that bans Tobacco ads. Its probably just their way to promote the brand without breaking the rules (kind of like how Mild Seven has "Team Spirit" on the Renault F1 and Gauloise has "Go!!!!!!!!!" on the Kronos Xsaras in WRC)
In all respect, considering your somewhat recent troubles with reliability, was it such a good idea to put the phrase, "Keep Walking" on the side of the MP4/21?
Sincerely,
A Concerned Fan[/QUOTE]
Hah.
[QUOTE=MattDell]Someone tell me. What's with the "Look Left. Look Right." decals on the Hondas?
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Isn't that where the Lucky Strike stickers go when they aren't racing in a country that bans Tobacco ads. Its probably just their way to promote the brand without breaking the rules (kind of like how Mild Seven has "Team Spirit" on the Renault F1 and Gauloise has "Go!!!!!!!!!" on the Kronos Xsaras in WRC)
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:01 AM |
It's on...the first car has taken the track for quals...nice! Watching on Star Sports World in Bangkok...
| stumpz | 03-11-2006 06:10 AM |
It's been a long off season...so happy it's back and the real racing season has started.
| KAX | 03-11-2006 06:11 AM |
and another great start for mclaren. i have no idea why kimi went out so soon, Ide could barely stay in a straight line, and now Kimis starting last.
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:14 AM |
can't tell what kind of delay I'm seeing...still red flag where you are?
| bemani | 03-11-2006 06:18 AM |
About this new qualify format : what if 2 cars don't start at all, who gets 21st and who gets 22nd spot?
Does the time still count down if there's a SC situation?
Does the time still count down if there's a SC situation?
| KAX | 03-11-2006 06:20 AM |
yeh, im getting an awful delay. Hasnt red flagged on my TV yet, but im following along with formula1.com, and thats red flagged.
edit: kimi just crashed on tv.
I think they delayed it so they can skip right over the 15 minute delay between sessions.
edit: kimi just crashed on tv.
I think they delayed it so they can skip right over the 15 minute delay between sessions.
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:25 AM |
first knock-out period is over
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:27 AM |
Alonso set best lap.
There was a big bottle neck coming off the red flag.
R. Schumacher out, victim of bottle neck.
Sato out, just slow.
Kimmi out, spin etc..
Montiero out, bottle neck?
both midland drivers out.
There was a big bottle neck coming off the red flag.
R. Schumacher out, victim of bottle neck.
Sato out, just slow.
Kimmi out, spin etc..
Montiero out, bottle neck?
both midland drivers out.
| KAX | 03-11-2006 06:29 AM |
i hate midlands livery, i cant tell if its mclaren or midland when theyre coming down the track.
| bemani | 03-11-2006 06:33 AM |
Did Kimi's wing just fell off?
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:34 AM |
Liuzzi is on a hot lap with 11:30 left to go...1:34.5. Not bad. Toro Rosso are running V-10's aren't they? Sorry for my ignorance, I've had no access to internet and news for a few months.
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:35 AM |
looks like the wing ripped off after he spun it. He was going perpendicular to the track when it ripped off.
Heidfeld is quick!
Here comes Montoya...looks quick...P1! And his wing stayed on! [with 6 mins left]
3 minutes left...
Montoya still in P1.
Heidfeld is coming back on track to try to retake P1.
Renaults are taking the track now...
2 mintues left...
Coulthard is going to get knocked out.
1 mintue left...
Alonso sets P1.
Fisichella 3rd.
Button 6th.
Heidfeld 4th.
Kocked out.
Trulli
Speed
Liuzzi
Rosberg
[missed the other 2]
Heidfeld is quick!
Here comes Montoya...looks quick...P1! And his wing stayed on! [with 6 mins left]
3 minutes left...
Montoya still in P1.
Heidfeld is coming back on track to try to retake P1.
Renaults are taking the track now...
2 mintues left...
Coulthard is going to get knocked out.
1 mintue left...
Alonso sets P1.
Fisichella 3rd.
Button 6th.
Heidfeld 4th.
Kocked out.
Trulli
Speed
Liuzzi
Rosberg
[missed the other 2]
| KAX | 03-11-2006 06:45 AM |
his wing was wobbley going into the corner, so obviously not going to work correctly and then he spun and it ripped off.
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:49 AM |
Guess I missed the wobble. Does everyone get the same video feed? What are you watching?
I like Kimmi starting in the back, his woes last year made sure that we would see some daring passing.
Renaults on track first for 10 car session...
I like Kimmi starting in the back, his woes last year made sure that we would see some daring passing.
Renaults on track first for 10 car session...
| MER | 03-11-2006 06:54 AM |
20 minutes left.
Schumacher not on track at start of session.
19 minutes...
No one on hot lap.
Cars loaded with race fuel levels.
Knocked out cars can do what they like with fuel [this is confusing]
The strategy of the whole thing is interesting.
18 minutes...
Alonso sets a time...about 3 seconds off fastest times [fuel tire considerations?]
16 minutes...
Barrichello sets fastest lap. Honda looks stong and well balanced.
15 minutes...
---STAR SPORTS CUTS COVERAGE!--
What crap...Birmingham soccer is more important!
Schumacher not on track at start of session.
19 minutes...
No one on hot lap.
Cars loaded with race fuel levels.
Knocked out cars can do what they like with fuel [this is confusing]
The strategy of the whole thing is interesting.
18 minutes...
Alonso sets a time...about 3 seconds off fastest times [fuel tire considerations?]
16 minutes...
Barrichello sets fastest lap. Honda looks stong and well balanced.
15 minutes...
---STAR SPORTS CUTS COVERAGE!--
What crap...Birmingham soccer is more important!
| bemani | 03-11-2006 06:55 AM |
There's nothing to hit on that part of the track, the wing couldn't have been broken off due to impact.
| KAX | 03-11-2006 07:17 AM |
[QUOTE=MER]---STAR SPORTS CUTS COVERAGE!--
What crap...Birmingham soccer is more important![/QUOTE]
oo that sucks.
[QUOTE=MER]Guess I missed the wobble. Does everyone get the same video feed? What are you watching?
I like Kimmi starting in the back, his woes last year made sure that we would see some daring passing.
Renaults on track first for 10 car session...[/QUOTE]
yes, we all get the same coverage, the same thing you see on the jumbotrons if you were at the race. You could see the wing bouncing right as he loses it, commentators seem to think something happened with the tranny to cause the mounting position to break, but well find out later today i guess.
What crap...Birmingham soccer is more important![/QUOTE]
oo that sucks.
[QUOTE=MER]Guess I missed the wobble. Does everyone get the same video feed? What are you watching?
I like Kimmi starting in the back, his woes last year made sure that we would see some daring passing.
Renaults on track first for 10 car session...[/QUOTE]
yes, we all get the same coverage, the same thing you see on the jumbotrons if you were at the race. You could see the wing bouncing right as he loses it, commentators seem to think something happened with the tranny to cause the mounting position to break, but well find out later today i guess.
| psg | 03-11-2006 07:19 AM |
Ferrari sweeps the front row: Schumacher wins his 65th career pole, Massa in P2. I like this format--makes qualifying worth watch (even at 4AM PST).
| KAX | 03-11-2006 07:20 AM |
F1Racing.net:
"Kimi R�ikk�nen's wishbone broke his rearwing though causing the Fin to spin."
kinda weird that hed break his suspension in the middle of a turn without hitting anything.
"Kimi R�ikk�nen's wishbone broke his rearwing though causing the Fin to spin."
kinda weird that hed break his suspension in the middle of a turn without hitting anything.
| bemani | 03-11-2006 07:22 AM |
Oh yeah, Kimi helped with the excitment too.
Low Ferrari fuel loads?
Low Ferrari fuel loads?
| bemani | 03-11-2006 07:32 AM |
Massa needs to learn to do interviews, don't be another Kimi.
| Ferg | 03-11-2006 07:48 AM |
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57091163/original.jpg[/IMG]
So far I love the new format.
Very interesting.
So far I love the new format.
Very interesting.
| finnRex | 03-11-2006 09:27 AM |
Good news for McLaren fans. This time you weren't disappointed with a motor failure. :mad:
Mika
Mika
| grandpa rex | 03-11-2006 10:08 AM |
Interesting format. I think I like it.
Interesting result. Never expected red cars up front.
Interesting result. Never expected red cars up front.
| MER | 03-11-2006 10:36 AM |
Thanks for the updates.
Tomorrow should be interesting.
It is only a matter of time before someone gets a picture of Kimmi walking away his broken car with the Johnnie Walker "Keep Walking" ads on the side. Ah...irony.
Tomorrow should be interesting.
It is only a matter of time before someone gets a picture of Kimmi walking away his broken car with the Johnnie Walker "Keep Walking" ads on the side. Ah...irony.
| finnRex | 03-11-2006 10:47 AM |
[QUOTE=grandpa rex]Interesting result. Never expected red cars up front.[/QUOTE]
Never underestimate Ferrari. Especially when Michael's at the helm. I've learned that the hard way the past 6 years...
Mika
Never underestimate Ferrari. Especially when Michael's at the helm. I've learned that the hard way the past 6 years...
Mika
| Bonzo | 03-11-2006 11:01 AM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Massa needs to learn to do interviews, don't be another Kimi.[/QUOTE]
I agree he was about to fall asleep with his head in his hand.
I did like how Massa somewhat dissed MS by saying he was on a pole lap until it was thwarted by a Renualt. MS's face changed ever so slightly. :banana: Massa will give Shuey some competition this year.
In the end F1 is all good now. Ferrari and MS are back on top.
I agree he was about to fall asleep with his head in his hand.
I did like how Massa somewhat dissed MS by saying he was on a pole lap until it was thwarted by a Renualt. MS's face changed ever so slightly. :banana: Massa will give Shuey some competition this year.
In the end F1 is all good now. Ferrari and MS are back on top.
| meebs | 03-11-2006 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]Good news for McLaren fans. This time you weren't disappointed with a motor failure. :mad:
Mika[/QUOTE]
I don't know how much more I can take... seriously... :mad: :mad:
[quote=ferg]
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/57091163/original.jpg[/img][/quote]
[size=15]"KEEP WALKING"[/size] What a cruel bit of irony... :o
Love the new format. Weird how MS's engine had that chatter again right before the line on his pole lap. YIKES!!
Mika[/QUOTE]
I don't know how much more I can take... seriously... :mad: :mad:
[quote=ferg]
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/57091163/original.jpg[/img][/quote]
[size=15]"KEEP WALKING"[/size] What a cruel bit of irony... :o
Love the new format. Weird how MS's engine had that chatter again right before the line on his pole lap. YIKES!!
| finnRex | 03-11-2006 11:53 AM |
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Another fine example of German engineering. At least Yugo's didn't just assplode in a corner. They died of natural causes...
Mika
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Another fine example of German engineering. At least Yugo's didn't just assplode in a corner. They died of natural causes...
Mika
| HomerJay | 03-11-2006 12:00 PM |
Maybe Toyota should hang it up. 14th and 17th. Pretty pathetic. Come back to WRC ;)
| jpsimon | 03-11-2006 12:15 PM |
kimi needs to goto ferrari already..
| Ferg | 03-11-2006 12:19 PM |
Quali report.
[QUOTE]Schumacher equals Senna record with pole
By Jamie O'Leary Saturday, March 11th 2006, 12:13 GMT
Michael Schumacher equalled Ayrton Senna's record of 65 pole positions by setting the fastest time in qualifying for tomorrow's Bahrain Grand Prix.
German Schumacher set a time of one minute 31.431 seconds to edge out his Ferrari teammate Felipe Massa, of Brazil, by less than 0.1 seconds.
But rivals McLaren had a terrible day as their Finnish star Kimi Raikkonen crashed in the first 15-minute session and will start from the back of the grid tomorrow.
Behind the front pair, Briton Jenson Button, in a Honda and World Champion Spaniard Fernando Alonso, in a Renault, make up row two ahead of McLaren's Juan Pablo Montoya.
German Nick Heidfeld made it a good debut for BMW Sauber as he qualified 10th on the grid.
But he almost did not make it, as he lay 16th during the second knock-out session when, with just eight seconds remaining, he set the fourth fastest time to knock his former World Champion teammate Jacques Villeneuve out of the top ten.
Canadian Villeneuve will therefore start 11th ahead of the other drivers knocked out in session two, including German Nico Rosberg and Red Bull's David Coulthard, who qualified ahead of both Toro Rosso cars.
Alonso was fastest in both of the knock-out sessions to determine the ten fastest cars to go through into the final 20-minute session.
Williams' debutant Nico Rosberg missed his chance to compete in the top-10 run-off when he spun into a tyre barrier at turn 10 during the second session.
Raikkonen will start 22nd after he almost flipped on his first lap out of the pits.
He was approaching turn nine of the Sakhir circuit on his first lap out of the pits when he suffered a right-rear suspension failure, forcing him off the road.
He drove the car back to the pits but the McLaren team were unable to repair the car in time for him to complete a lap in remainder of the session.
Therefore he was eliminated from the rest of qualifying and will start last.
Toyota's Ralf Schumacher was the highest-placed driver to be knocked out in the first session and will start 16th.
1 M.Schumacher Ferrari B���������..1:31.431
2 Massa Ferrari B�������������1:31.478
3 Button Honda M�����������......1:31.549
4 Alonso Renault M������������1:31.702
5 Montoya McLaren M�����������1:32.164
6 Barrichello Honda M�����������1:32.579
7 Webber Williams B�����������..1:33.006
8 Klien Red Bull M������������.1:33.112
9 Fisichella Renault M����������....1:33.496
10 Heidfeld BMW M�����������..1:33.926
11 Villeneuve BMW M�����������1:32.456
12 Rosberg Williams B�����������1:32.620
13 Coulthard Red Bull M����������1:32.850
14 Trulli Toyota B�������������1:33.066
15 Speed Toro Rosso M����������...1:33.416
16 Liuzzi Toro Rosso M�����������1:34.606
17 R.Schumacher Toyota B���������.1:34.702
18 Albers Midland B������������1:35.724
19 Monteiro Midland B�����������1:35.900
20 Sato Super Aguri B�����������..1:37.411
21 Ide Super Aguri B������������1:40.270
22 Raikkonen McLaren M����������.No time
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[QUOTE]Schumacher equals Senna record with pole
By Jamie O'Leary Saturday, March 11th 2006, 12:13 GMT
Michael Schumacher equalled Ayrton Senna's record of 65 pole positions by setting the fastest time in qualifying for tomorrow's Bahrain Grand Prix.
German Schumacher set a time of one minute 31.431 seconds to edge out his Ferrari teammate Felipe Massa, of Brazil, by less than 0.1 seconds.
But rivals McLaren had a terrible day as their Finnish star Kimi Raikkonen crashed in the first 15-minute session and will start from the back of the grid tomorrow.
Behind the front pair, Briton Jenson Button, in a Honda and World Champion Spaniard Fernando Alonso, in a Renault, make up row two ahead of McLaren's Juan Pablo Montoya.
German Nick Heidfeld made it a good debut for BMW Sauber as he qualified 10th on the grid.
But he almost did not make it, as he lay 16th during the second knock-out session when, with just eight seconds remaining, he set the fourth fastest time to knock his former World Champion teammate Jacques Villeneuve out of the top ten.
Canadian Villeneuve will therefore start 11th ahead of the other drivers knocked out in session two, including German Nico Rosberg and Red Bull's David Coulthard, who qualified ahead of both Toro Rosso cars.
Alonso was fastest in both of the knock-out sessions to determine the ten fastest cars to go through into the final 20-minute session.
Williams' debutant Nico Rosberg missed his chance to compete in the top-10 run-off when he spun into a tyre barrier at turn 10 during the second session.
Raikkonen will start 22nd after he almost flipped on his first lap out of the pits.
He was approaching turn nine of the Sakhir circuit on his first lap out of the pits when he suffered a right-rear suspension failure, forcing him off the road.
He drove the car back to the pits but the McLaren team were unable to repair the car in time for him to complete a lap in remainder of the session.
Therefore he was eliminated from the rest of qualifying and will start last.
Toyota's Ralf Schumacher was the highest-placed driver to be knocked out in the first session and will start 16th.
1 M.Schumacher Ferrari B���������..1:31.431
2 Massa Ferrari B�������������1:31.478
3 Button Honda M�����������......1:31.549
4 Alonso Renault M������������1:31.702
5 Montoya McLaren M�����������1:32.164
6 Barrichello Honda M�����������1:32.579
7 Webber Williams B�����������..1:33.006
8 Klien Red Bull M������������.1:33.112
9 Fisichella Renault M����������....1:33.496
10 Heidfeld BMW M�����������..1:33.926
11 Villeneuve BMW M�����������1:32.456
12 Rosberg Williams B�����������1:32.620
13 Coulthard Red Bull M����������1:32.850
14 Trulli Toyota B�������������1:33.066
15 Speed Toro Rosso M����������...1:33.416
16 Liuzzi Toro Rosso M�����������1:34.606
17 R.Schumacher Toyota B���������.1:34.702
18 Albers Midland B������������1:35.724
19 Monteiro Midland B�����������1:35.900
20 Sato Super Aguri B�����������..1:37.411
21 Ide Super Aguri B������������1:40.270
22 Raikkonen McLaren M����������.No time
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| Clegg | 03-11-2006 12:56 PM |
Those saying just from one qualifier that "Ferrari and MS are back!" need to get with it...
Its a qualifier... hell in their POS 2005 spec car he took pole once. This year they will be better, by far, but I think Renault and McLaren (if they can keep their fragile cars together) will be a force, as will Williams.
Its a qualifier... hell in their POS 2005 spec car he took pole once. This year they will be better, by far, but I think Renault and McLaren (if they can keep their fragile cars together) will be a force, as will Williams.
| KAX | 03-11-2006 01:11 PM |
So far I found the new format interesting. I really liked when every car came out after the red flag, it was like i was watching the race (except Ide was at the front)
| rupertberr | 03-11-2006 01:34 PM |
Jury is still out on the new Q format. I'll be interested to see how it all turns out on race day.
Poor Kimi! :(
Poor Kimi! :(
| bitterWRX | 03-11-2006 01:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Clegg]Those saying just from one qualifier that "Ferrari and MS are back!" need to get with it...
Its a qualifier... hell in their POS 2005 spec car he took pole once. This year they will be better, by far, but I think Renault and McLaren (if they can keep their fragile cars together) will be a force, as will Williams.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Take a breather. People are just expressing their joy after an extremely depressing season for Michael Shumacher. I know this pole position will not reflect how he'll do in the actual GP but at least he's making it great for all the Schumi/Ferrari fans.
Man, after watching Raikonnen crash last night, I can just feel the doubt in Alonso. :lol:
Its a qualifier... hell in their POS 2005 spec car he took pole once. This year they will be better, by far, but I think Renault and McLaren (if they can keep their fragile cars together) will be a force, as will Williams.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Take a breather. People are just expressing their joy after an extremely depressing season for Michael Shumacher. I know this pole position will not reflect how he'll do in the actual GP but at least he's making it great for all the Schumi/Ferrari fans.
Man, after watching Raikonnen crash last night, I can just feel the doubt in Alonso. :lol:
| XenoWolf | 03-11-2006 01:56 PM |
Does anyone have a torrent or direct download of qualifying? I didn't get a chance to see it, and I wanted to see how the new qualifying system works (as well as Kimi's fault).
| AndyRoo | 03-11-2006 02:33 PM |
scott speed more than a second faster then his teammate. thats cool i guess.
| Chiketkd | 03-11-2006 02:52 PM |
Go Schumi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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