Thứ Tư, 9 tháng 11, 2016

F1, Round Two, Grand Prix of Malaysia 2006 part 5

MattDell 03-20-2006 09:35 PM
Pick 6 Results for Malaysia

[CODE]F1P6 Results
for group impreza.net
for the Sepang International Circuit


Rank Score G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya F.Massa M.Schumacher J.Villeneuve R.Schumacher

78. 43 71 Andy Zi M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya G.Fisichella F.Massa N.Rosberg J.Villeneuve
188. 40 65 Ony Anglade K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya G.Fisichella F.Massa D.Coulthard
40 73 Jody Bertoli K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya F.Massa N.Rosberg G.Fisichella
271. 39 75 Scott Ripley K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher R.Barrichello J.Montoya G.Fisichella F.Massa
405. 38 72 Matt Doyle M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button G.Fisichella F.Massa N.Rosberg
38 80 Chris Hartman K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya R.Barrichello N.Rosberg R.Schumacher
533. 37 72 Brad Erdman K.Raikkonen F.Alonso F.Massa M.Schumacher J.Montoya G.Fisichella J.Button M.Webber
37 81 Gary Lancaster F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya F.Massa R.Barrichello N.Rosberg
697. 36 86 Andrew Sekellick K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya M.Webber N.Rosberg F.Massa
839. 35 73 Jeff Preston F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Button M.Schumacher J.Montoya G.Fisichella N.Rosberg M.Webber
1116. 33 76 Peter Lapin J.Button K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya M.Schumacher R.Barrichello N.Rosberg G.Fisichella
33 72 Andrew Parente K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button N.Rosberg G.Fisichella F.Massa J.Montoya
33 77 David Pio M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Alonso N.Rosberg J.Button F.Massa M.Webber J.Villeneuve
1228. 32 70 Matt Dell N.Rosberg J.Button K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Montoya F.Alonso F.Massa R.Barrichello
32 68 Alex Hofstetter K.Raikkonen J.Button F.Alonso M.Schumacher G.Fisichella R.Barrichello F.Massa N.Rosberg
1360. 31 67 Lord Bass F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Massa J.Button D.Coulthard J.Montoya N.Rosberg
31 61 Matt Phelps F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Trulli J.Button J.Montoya F.Massa M.Webber
31 62 Brian Sullivan J.Montoya F.Alonso M.Schumacher N.Rosberg F.Massa R.Barrichello J.Trulli G.Fisichella
1509. 30 66 Rupert Berrington K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher F.Massa N.Rosberg J.Button G.Fisichella R.Barrichello
30 65 Michael Fiyak F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Button N.Rosberg G.Fisichella J.Trulli
30 72 William Truett M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya G.Fisichella M.Webber R.Barrichello
1629. 29 54 Tommy Mcwilliams F.Alonso R.Barrichello J.Montoya J.Trulli M.Schumacher D.Coulthard G.Fisichella J.Button
1751. 28 74 Johann Joo M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya R.Barrichello G.Fisichella J.Button N.Rosberg
28 64 Steve Morris K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya R.Barrichello J.Trulli N.Rosberg
1922. 26 54 Stuart Becktell K.Raikkonen J.Button M.Schumacher F.Alonso N.Rosberg J.Montoya D.Coulthard G.Fisichella
26 26 Ken March M.Schumacher F.Massa J.Button K.Raikkonen J.Montoya R.Barrichello M.Webber N.Heidfeld
26 68 Christopher Mcguire F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher G.Fisichella R.Barrichello K.Raikkonen N.Rosberg M.Webber
1970. 25 57 James Alberts J.Button M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen R.Barrichello G.Fisichella D.Coulthard J.Montoya
25 68 David Ferguson N.Rosberg J.Button R.Barrichello K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya M.Webber M.Schumacher
2022. 24 55 Paul Chavez K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Montoya F.Alonso J.Button R.Barrichello N.Rosberg M.Webber
2056. 23 64 Mika Hyytiainen K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button N.Rosberg R.Barrichello M.Webber
2100. 22 62 Sean Ford K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher F.Alonso R.Schumacher R.Barrichello N.Rosberg M.Webber [/CODE]

Overall Standings
[CODE] 57. 86 Andrew Sekellick
189. 81 Gary Lancaster
226. 80 Chris Hartman
408. 77 David Pio
481. 76 Peter Lapin
563. 75 Scott Ripley
634. 74 Johann Joo
708. 73 Jody Bertoli
73 Jeff Preston
800. 72 Matt Doyle
72 Brad Erdman
72 Andrew Parente
72 William Truett
896. 71 Andy Zi
980. 70 Matt Dell
1147. 68 David Ferguson
68 Alex Hofstetter
68 Christopher Mcguire
1221. 67 Lord Bass
1310. 66 Rupert Berrington
1379. 65 Ony Anglade
65 Michael Fiyak
1444. 64 Mika Hyytiainen
64 Steve Morris
1577. 62 Sean Ford
62 Brian Sullivan
1630. 61 Matt Phelps
1789. 57 James Alberts
1843. 55 Paul Chavez
1870. 54 Stuart Becktell
54 Tommy Mcwilliams
2163. 26 Ken March [/CODE]

This race really screwed me. I can't believe I don't get points for picking Barrichello as 8th, as he finished 10th. :o

-Matt
grippgoat 03-20-2006 10:17 PM
[QUOTE=artkevin]I think Alonso is a likeable guy. I don't see why he wouldn't be. Well spoken, emotional when he should be, amazing to watch behind the wheel and good looking (minus the catapiller eyebrows).

He has bitched a little too often but one needs to remember that hes in the lead or pushing towards it when you hear the team radio so he is going to be pumped up. We also don't get to hear Ferrari's or McLaren's so we don't know how much the other guys at the sharp end bitch while in the car.[/QUOTE]

I've been kind of getting the impression that Alonso's title is going to his head. He just seems to be getting a bit cocky.

-Mike
joltdudeuc 03-20-2006 10:48 PM
I hope Kimi wins this year, the most amazing driver I've seen to date.
artkevin 03-21-2006 10:53 AM
[QUOTE=grippgoat]I've been kind of getting the impression that Alonso's title is going to his head. He just seems to be getting a bit cocky.

-Mike[/QUOTE]
Just curious, why do you say that? I ask because he seems like the same guy that drove for Minardi and tested for a year to me. I haven't picked up on anything to say that he's getting cocky. Doesn't mean that he isn't, I just haen't picked up on it.
TimStevens 03-21-2006 11:14 AM
The Rossi criticisms strike me as a bit cocky... but perhaps its the holy egoism of genius talking. I'd imagine it takes one cocky and ballso mofo to become WDC, so I think it's just hard for Joe Motorsports Fan to relate.
KAX 03-21-2006 11:32 AM
i dont think you have to be cocky to win. I mean, Ralf is cocky, and he cant win anything. Just need a good car, and be a good driver. If your a humble person, then your a humble person, most of the time it just gets to their head. they are the best of the best, so i dont blame them.
TimStevens 03-21-2006 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=KAX]i dont think you have to be cocky to win. I mean, Ralf is cocky, and he cant win anything. Just need a good car, and be a good driver. If your a humble person, then your a humble person, most of the time it just gets to their head. they are the best of the best, so i dont blame them.[/QUOTE]

First off, you're logic's flawed. Saying cocky != win and then Ralf = cocky ==> Ralf = win doesn't work. You'd have to come up with a non-cocky regular winner and... well... not too many come to my mind. I'd say DC had potential but never quite got there for a variety of reasons.

And regarding "getting to your head" that's what I was hiting at with the "holy egoism" thing, the thought that it's ok for really good people to be a little cocky because, well, they're really good.
KAX 03-21-2006 11:47 AM
i know, i couldnt think of a regular winner that i didnt find to be cocky. I was going to say fisichella, but he could be cocky, i havent really cared too much about him.
disproving the negative does not imply positive. just hoping no one would catch that.
Ferg 03-21-2006 12:10 PM
Alonso may be cocky but come on, he's nowhere near as bad as Senna was. He was cocky enough to tell people that unless he got his way (reverse pole at Suzuka in what, 1990?) he would drive Prost off the road at the first corner. He didn't get his way, drove Prost straight into the gravel at turn one (thereby securing the WDC) and got away with it.

Alonso has a [i]loooooong[/i] way to go before he reaches that level of cockiness.

Being a massive egomaniac is par for the course in F1.

Overly sensitive personality types need not apply.
MattDell 03-21-2006 12:27 PM
[QUOTE=KAX]i dont think you have to be cocky to win. I mean, Ralf is cocky, and he cant win anything. [/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
StuBeck 03-21-2006 12:47 PM
Senna was pissed about the year before though, when he did win the championship but it was taken away because of what happend at Suzuka in 89 with Prost at the hairpin where he was penalized for a racing incident. This is why he did what he did, he was wronged previously and knew the way to get back and get what was his. He didn't do it because of not being able to move to the inside of the track (which, btw, was allowed in the rule book.)
StuBeck 03-21-2006 12:49 PM
On the cocky driver front, EVERY driver is cocky. There is simply no other way to be. You have to [i]know[/i] you are faster then everyone else because otherwise there is no point in risking your life across the world every fortnight. Being cocky doesn't mean you're an ******* though, which it often is preceived to be. I may know I am faster then someone else but I don't need to tell them that.
grippgoat 03-21-2006 01:23 PM
I think it's the Rossi comments, the posturing on top of the car, maybe something in a press conference. Maybe it's just his style. But Kimi doesn't strike me as being cocky, he just seems to have no social skills. And I can't remember the last time Schumacher came off as being cocky outside the car.

-Mike
KAX 03-21-2006 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=grippgoat]I think it's the Rossi comments, the posturing on top of the car, maybe something in a press conference. Maybe it's just his style. But Kimi doesn't strike me as being cocky, he just seems to have no social skills. And I can't remember the last time Schumacher came off as being cocky outside the car.

-Mike[/QUOTE]


his little jump on top of the podium 2 years ago.

Kimi is cocky, you can just look at him and see he thinks hes better then everyone. I like his attitude though, because i think hes better then everyone too :lol:
TimStevens 03-21-2006 01:25 PM
I think Kimi's antics give new definition to the word "cocky" :p
Ferg 03-21-2006 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=StuBeck]Senna was pissed about the year before though, when he did win the championship but it was taken away because of what happend at Suzuka in 89 with Prost at the hairpin where he was penalized for a racing incident. This is why he did what he did, he was wronged previously and knew the way to get back and get what was his. He didn't do it because of not being able to move to the inside of the track (which, btw, was allowed in the rule book.)[/QUOTE]

Senna got thrown out of the 1989 race for being push started after his coming together with Prost. The rules clearly state a car can't be push started and rejoin the race. I understand his frustration, especially considering he went on to "win"... but that in [i]no way[/i] excuses his actions the following year. Think of all the effort to bring those two teams to Japan to settle the title...the whole world watching and waiting as the two greatest drivers of their generation, driving for the two greatest teams...and Senna just punts Prost into the gravel at the first corner because he felt "wronged".

That's a bull**** temper tantrum plain and simple.
Goatboy 03-21-2006 03:18 PM
[QUOTE=Ferg]Senna got thrown out of the 1989 race for being push started after his coming together with Prost. The rules clearly state a car can't be push started and rejoin the race. I understand his frustration, especially considering he went on to "win"... but that in [i]no way[/i] excuses his actions the following year. Think of all the effort to bring those two teams to Japan to settle the title...the whole world watching and waiting as the two greatest drivers of their generation, driving for the two greatest teams...and Senna just punts Prost into the gravel at the first corner because he felt "wronged".

That's a bull**** temper tantrum plain and simple.[/QUOTE]


I don't want to stir up trouble, but I don't believe it is accurate to say that Senna was DQd for a push start in '89. The rules of the time (it might still be the case - didn't I see M. Schumacher being 'legally' pushed out of the gravel at Nurburgring a couple of years ago?) did allow a push start if the car was in a dangerous position, which Senna's was, being at the end of the braking zone after 130R. My memory is that Senna was actually DQd for re-joining the track from a different place than he left it - an antique rule that was selectively applied by the Balestre-era FIA after many years of (very sensibly) being ignored. Of course cars very rarely rejoin the track from the exact same point they leave it, for example Prost earlier in '89, who spun off at Imola, rejoined maybe 25 meters further up the road, and kept his second place. It was an absurd rule, presumably written to stop people taking blatant short-cuts (one assumes it was not intended that drivers head the wrong way back along the grass in order to locate one's own tyre tracks before performing a U-turn into the traffic) but it was the best that Balestre could come up with in the circumstances, desperate as he was to DQ Senna for some reason or other. Unquestionably Balestre was engaged in a very personal and nasty vendetta against Senna - the '89 edition of Autocourse among others did a good job of documenting this and roundly condemning what many saw as his highly partisan interference in the competition between the two McLaren drivers (one of whom happened to be Balestre's personal friend).

The whole thing escalated over the winter of '89/90 into something very bitter and unpleasant, with Senna driving under a suspended ban and various other nonsense.

Regarding 1990, then, I have always felt that two wrongs do not make a right (the same reason the death penalty makes no sense to me, incidentally). Among other things, Senna's "revenge" foul on Prost, and the lack of action from the FIA, set a bad precedent and a poor example to the younger generation - for example a certain German driver who proceeded to twice try to settle later titles with blatant fouls (in neither of those cases did the young man have any reason to feel he had been victimised, of course). But I would say there was a lot more to the whole Balestre-Prost-Senna feud than simply a a "bull**** temper tantrum" on Senna's part.
KAX 03-21-2006 03:27 PM
ignore this. hypocritical statement deleted
Ferg 03-21-2006 03:58 PM
Excellent point Goatboy, you're no doubt right about the specifics of Senna's DQ. I remembered only the push start being the cause of his black flag. I had also forgotten about the trouble with Balestre and his vendetta against Senna. Dark days for the sport indeed.

Ultimately I have to believe that what Senna did in the end was a bit of a temper tantrum, regardless of the circumstances leading up to it. In the end he was the one who took action, and he should bear the brunt of the blame. That is of course only an opinion. I loved Senna as a driver, he set a standard that in my mind hasn't been reached yet by anyone else, but sometimes he made it very difficult to support him.

I was bitterly dissapointed in his actions that day..to deny the world what surely would have been a classic battle between himself and Prost...honestly it still angers my blood.

You're 100% correct about the FIA's complete failure to act, even afterwards, but that's another issue!

:)

ps- you should post more in these threads, great stuff.
f1vlad 03-21-2006 04:09 PM
goes without comment:


[img]http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/k/a/karinelli/7/00669744/00669744.jpg[/img]
BillT 03-21-2006 04:51 PM
[QUOTE=f1vlad]goes without comment:


[img]http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/k/a/karinelli/7/00669744/00669744.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Hey! That's just like our design!
artkevin 03-21-2006 05:31 PM
I like the McLaren guy giggling in the backround.
KAX 03-21-2006 06:31 PM
[QUOTE=artkevin]I like the McLaren guy giggling in the backround.[/QUOTE]

:lol: :lol:
StuBeck 03-21-2006 06:59 PM
[QUOTE=grippgoat]I think it's the Rossi comments, the posturing on top of the car, maybe something in a press conference. Maybe it's just his style. But Kimi doesn't strike me as being cocky, he just seems to have no social skills. And I can't remember the last time Schumacher came off as being cocky outside the car.

-Mike[/QUOTE]

Last year at France Schumacher was uber cocky. He said if he wasn't blocked during the early part of the race he would have probably won (during the press conference.) After the event it was shown he was over a second a lap down in speed the entire event, no matter if blocked or not. The entire Ferrari organization seems fairly cocky too, especially if you put Wili Weber into the mix.
AndyRoo 03-21-2006 09:10 PM
[url]http://hitthepacecar.com/?p=13[/url]
bitterWRX 03-21-2006 10:15 PM
[QUOTE=StuBeck]Last year at France Schumacher was uber cocky. He said if he wasn't blocked during the early part of the race he would have probably won (during the press conference.) After the event it was shown he was over a second a lap down in speed the entire event, no matter if blocked or not. The entire Ferrari organization seems fairly cocky too, especially if you put Wili Weber into the mix.[/QUOTE]

I think when you have much of a racing history and racing pedigree as Ferrari, you are allowed to be cocky. You've pretty much earn the right to be crowned the best.
I think Rossi is a pretty cocky guy as well but being such a dominant MotoGP champion, he has earned the right to as well.
artkevin 03-22-2006 01:10 AM
Rossi, cocky? No way.
He is cocky as hell but he is quite simply the best man on two wheels. To hear Nicky Hayden say in a press confrence that he can do nothing about Rossi' speed is jaw dropping. The only guys who don't admit that he is the best are Biaggi and Sette and they can't win a race to save their lives in the past two years.
Ferg 03-22-2006 10:09 PM
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57335670/original.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57624789/original.jpg[/IMG]
bitterWRX 03-23-2006 03:26 AM
[QUOTE=Ferg][IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57335670/original.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/57624789/original.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:lol:

How sad.
Người đăng: vào lúc

Không có nhận xét nào:

Đăng nhận xét

Đăng ký: Đăng Nhận xét (Atom)