| Deltron00 | 06-02-2003 08:10 PM |
large crease
It does, and it works very well for holding air to the flat boundry before the scoop
.[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/seanslogan/Image072.jpg[/IMG]
Lets just say if you wanted to get a computer model for flow testing in a simulated wind tunnel I could accomidate you
.[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/seanslogan/Image072.jpg[/IMG]
Lets just say if you wanted to get a computer model for flow testing in a simulated wind tunnel I could accomidate you
| Deltron00 | 06-02-2003 08:25 PM |
edit large crease
On the STI the scoop is raised out of the boundry layer like a large forehead or somewhat similar to the scoop found on a AA gasser which is commonly referred to as a shaker hood, keep your eyes peeled for Sammy Hagar in his 6.6 and everything will become crystal clear.
On another note.....Why put a crease on the non STI WRX models? I think this will better answer your question.
Also if you look at this hood from the side profile you will see that it protrudes no more in height than the stock scoop
Finally there are multiple ways to accomplish results through design but the ultimate goal in this case is to produce a hood that is more efficient than the factory's best, and that has been achieved on more than one level.
For those who insist on pressing aerodynamic qualitys........what was that angle after the crease and what is the frontal area of this scoop again? ETC......
On another note.....Why put a crease on the non STI WRX models? I think this will better answer your question.
Also if you look at this hood from the side profile you will see that it protrudes no more in height than the stock scoop
Finally there are multiple ways to accomplish results through design but the ultimate goal in this case is to produce a hood that is more efficient than the factory's best, and that has been achieved on more than one level.
For those who insist on pressing aerodynamic qualitys........what was that angle after the crease and what is the frontal area of this scoop again? ETC......
| NeoGeo | 06-02-2003 08:53 PM |
If you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll realize that all we ever asked for out of all this is an exact replica of the prova racing hood, seen on the very first page...how that progressed to this is beyond me.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated.
| akcel | 06-02-2003 08:59 PM |
:disco:
| Jejunum | 06-02-2003 09:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoGeo [/i]
[B]If you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll realize that all we ever asked for out of all this is an exact replica of the prova racing hood, seen on the very first page...how that progressed to this is beyond me.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated. [/B][/QUOTE
completely agree - the originator has become aggresive defensive on his product - nor is this like the prova hood - as, in my opinion, what the community wanted. And lets just say for the money that this hood costs I expect to see all of the wind tunnel testing data posted online.
[B]If you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll realize that all we ever asked for out of all this is an exact replica of the prova racing hood, seen on the very first page...how that progressed to this is beyond me.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated. [/B][/QUOTE
completely agree - the originator has become aggresive defensive on his product - nor is this like the prova hood - as, in my opinion, what the community wanted. And lets just say for the money that this hood costs I expect to see all of the wind tunnel testing data posted online.
| Deltron00 | 06-02-2003 10:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoGeo [/i]
[B]If you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll realize that all we ever asked for out of all this is an exact replica of the prova racing hood, seen on the very first page...how that progressed to this is beyond me.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated. [/B][/QUOTE]
The driving factor in producing an exact replica is just that, REPLICATING or to be humurous RIPLICATING.
Many companies do not enjoy their products being, for lack of exact words, stolen.....this may be the reasoning behind the others attempts to bring one to market. Legal disputes are also bothersome issues to say the least.
In the case of this hood after long discussion is was decided to produce a completely independent design with a grass roots approach. Yes it may resemble this or that but it is in its own right it contains the signature of a completely different manufacturer, which is noteworthy.
The only way to really state one hood is more efficient would be to perform a side by side test both simulated and real world.
A fair way to look at this project is to assume the prova hood did not exist and then ask yourself:
A) will this hood perform better than the best factory option available?
B) Does this hood look good?
its that simple.
On the wind tunnel issue it should be brought to light that many of the worlds aerodynamic components currently available are designed and tested within the computer aided environment and then sent into production only to be confirmed by a wind tunnel afterwards. This may seem axe backwards to some but is very much a standard flow of events. Could even be why prova changed thier design a bit.
Last of all
lets keep the new parts world in progression and try to keep our manufacturers on the positive side of things. Mindless bashing will do nothing but cause manufacturers to shy away from our market taking away from the exitement of new things to come.
[B]If you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll realize that all we ever asked for out of all this is an exact replica of the prova racing hood, seen on the very first page...how that progressed to this is beyond me.
Deltron00, your theories have found some support by referencing to the stock hood, but look at the prova hood: it has no such crease. In fact the entire area in front of the scoop is "dented" in a bit, creating a "tunnel" effect. I'm no physics major but I do know that Prova performs wind tunnel tests (the real one, not on computer), and that they changed the hood specifically between 2001 and 2002 racing season.
I'm not saying your design is not valid, just that the prova design seems more convincing...and looks better too.
p.s. The title of this thread is totally wrong (ironic in fact): the originator is quite defensive about what we have to say, and this is NOT "perfect for front mounters", as Deltron himself indicated. [/B][/QUOTE]
The driving factor in producing an exact replica is just that, REPLICATING or to be humurous RIPLICATING.
Many companies do not enjoy their products being, for lack of exact words, stolen.....this may be the reasoning behind the others attempts to bring one to market. Legal disputes are also bothersome issues to say the least.
In the case of this hood after long discussion is was decided to produce a completely independent design with a grass roots approach. Yes it may resemble this or that but it is in its own right it contains the signature of a completely different manufacturer, which is noteworthy.
The only way to really state one hood is more efficient would be to perform a side by side test both simulated and real world.
A fair way to look at this project is to assume the prova hood did not exist and then ask yourself:
A) will this hood perform better than the best factory option available?
B) Does this hood look good?
its that simple.
On the wind tunnel issue it should be brought to light that many of the worlds aerodynamic components currently available are designed and tested within the computer aided environment and then sent into production only to be confirmed by a wind tunnel afterwards. This may seem axe backwards to some but is very much a standard flow of events. Could even be why prova changed thier design a bit.
Last of all
lets keep the new parts world in progression and try to keep our manufacturers on the positive side of things. Mindless bashing will do nothing but cause manufacturers to shy away from our market taking away from the exitement of new things to come.
| Matty | 06-02-2003 10:17 PM |
Got myself in alittle trouble for saying this before...But
The origonator of this thread is in Florida...The designer in Oregon..The name of the threads tells alot about the thread starter.He's trying to sell hoods...This hood isn't perfect for front mounters...Larger top mounters YES..Similar to the Prova hood ? Yes...exact copy ?? NO.. I'm not sure that was the designers intent..But it is a new product and the fact that there is this much conversation about a car hood says there is interest...
How many times have you been to a car dealership and knew in a few minutes that YOU know more about the car than the guy trying to sell it you..I think that this is the case with WRX Tuner...But cut the guy some slack...
Also i think some of the posters here will post negatively no matter what is said or proven...Like Jejunum " OK , you've proven it aerodynamically efficient
but its still ugly" well you can't please everone...
This whole thread should be scraped its old...either buy the hood or don't ...
How many times have you been to a car dealership and knew in a few minutes that YOU know more about the car than the guy trying to sell it you..I think that this is the case with WRX Tuner...But cut the guy some slack...
Also i think some of the posters here will post negatively no matter what is said or proven...Like Jejunum " OK , you've proven it aerodynamically efficient
but its still ugly" well you can't please everone...
This whole thread should be scraped its old...either buy the hood or don't ...
| Jejunum | 06-02-2003 10:46 PM |
[QUOTE]Like Jejunum " OK , you've proven it aerodynamically efficient
but its still ugly" well you can't please everone[/QUOTE]
i actual didnt say that-what i did say is proove its aerodynamically efficient...as for its appearance i dunno its not as drop dead awsome as the prova...
atleast i dont think i said it
so yah please check who said that
but its still ugly" well you can't please everone[/QUOTE]
i actual didnt say that-what i did say is proove its aerodynamically efficient...as for its appearance i dunno its not as drop dead awsome as the prova...
atleast i dont think i said it
so yah please check who said that
| Matty | 06-02-2003 11:15 PM |
My appologies Jejunum
NEOGEO said it...You copied what he said in your response...Sorry dude
| WRXTuner | 06-03-2003 03:43 AM |
Re: Got myself in alittle trouble for saying this before...But
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Matty [/i]
[B]How many times have you been to a car dealership and knew in a few minutes that YOU know more about the car than the guy trying to sell it you..I think that this is the case with WRX Tuner... [/B][/QUOTE]
Now this just isn't very nice since when did this become a flame!
I don't claim to know everything, but I can tell you this I am quite knowledgable about the WRX and think your remark is rather rude and un-called for and has no place in this thread.
Nick
[url]www.WRXTuner.com[/url]
[B]How many times have you been to a car dealership and knew in a few minutes that YOU know more about the car than the guy trying to sell it you..I think that this is the case with WRX Tuner... [/B][/QUOTE]
Now this just isn't very nice since when did this become a flame!
I don't claim to know everything, but I can tell you this I am quite knowledgable about the WRX and think your remark is rather rude and un-called for and has no place in this thread.
Nick
[url]www.WRXTuner.com[/url]
| WRXtreme02 | 06-03-2003 10:42 AM |
This thread is getting ridiculous. All a guy is trying to do is sell a hood. Either you love it, or you hate it. If you are interested in this hood, post your questions or concerns in a professional manor, and I'm sure they will all get answered. If you hate this hood, and think its ugly, press that little "X" in the upper right hand corner of your browser and go post in another thread that you are interested in.
| Matty | 06-03-2003 11:27 AM |
Nick...
That was NOT intended to be a flame on you...I can see how it can be taken that way...but really you are "marketing" or trying to sell this hood..I don't think your expected to know all of the aerodynamic theories behind the design.. My example is that there are buyers out there that are pretty knowledgable about different aspects of cars...some air flow , some engine management...You know what I mean..You can be an expert about something , but not everything...And as I said to our friend Deltron on the phone last night...Your never going to please some people on here..some peoples main purpose for visiting this site is to be negative...sorry for the mis- understanding
| Leonardo | 06-05-2003 11:18 PM |
Cool it guys, please!
| NeoGeo | 06-06-2003 10:48 AM |
[QUOTE]This thread is getting ridiculous. All a guy is trying to do is sell a hood. Either you love it, or you hate it. If you are interested in this hood, post your questions or concerns in a professional manor, and I'm sure they will all get answered. If you hate this hood, and think its ugly, press that little "X" in the upper right hand corner of your browser and go post in another thread that you are interested in.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree. I don't even know why this thread exist anymore (hint to moderator ;) ). The seller and the community obviously have very strong view points about this issue and no one sees any reason to backing down. So why not just start this thread all over in the vendor's classifieds and start selling it? That should be more productive.
About the replica issue: that's totally up to the vendor, not really a legal issue (I mean yes it is, just not practically). Look around, there are vendors here who sell nothing but replicas. All I was saying was that the prova hood is something most of us can agree on, and life would've been a lot easier if they went with just that. But I have to respect Deltron's view on this...gotta give him credit for pioneering something new.
p.s. Just a FYI (NOT to hijack the thread, just repeat what Imprezer has already confirmed): I e-mailed Prova about their hood and if it's up for purchase, and here's what they said:
[QUOTE]Hello,
Thank you for your email.
You can puchase the hood. The hood is 380,000yen .
It's about $3,160.And it will cost shipping charge $400-$500.
and it is not painted.
If you want to order ,you have to pay in advance.
Thank you,
[/QUOTE]
Again, just FYI and NOT to take things away from this hood.
:eek: time to buy some lottery tickets :lol:
Yeah I agree. I don't even know why this thread exist anymore (hint to moderator ;) ). The seller and the community obviously have very strong view points about this issue and no one sees any reason to backing down. So why not just start this thread all over in the vendor's classifieds and start selling it? That should be more productive.
About the replica issue: that's totally up to the vendor, not really a legal issue (I mean yes it is, just not practically). Look around, there are vendors here who sell nothing but replicas. All I was saying was that the prova hood is something most of us can agree on, and life would've been a lot easier if they went with just that. But I have to respect Deltron's view on this...gotta give him credit for pioneering something new.
p.s. Just a FYI (NOT to hijack the thread, just repeat what Imprezer has already confirmed): I e-mailed Prova about their hood and if it's up for purchase, and here's what they said:
[QUOTE]Hello,
Thank you for your email.
You can puchase the hood. The hood is 380,000yen .
It's about $3,160.And it will cost shipping charge $400-$500.
and it is not painted.
If you want to order ,you have to pay in advance.
Thank you,
[/QUOTE]
Again, just FYI and NOT to take things away from this hood.
:eek: time to buy some lottery tickets :lol:
| Matty | 06-06-2003 12:28 PM |
I agree with NEOGEO 100%
That 95% of this thread is a waist of space...How bout removing it and letting whoever is selling start a new threads in the Vendor for sale.
| omega | 06-07-2003 02:01 AM |
i want to buy one :D
| rex02 | 06-24-2003 04:48 AM |
matty-
why do you say its not perfect for front mounters? or anyone else that might know?
why do you say its not perfect for front mounters? or anyone else that might know?
| WRXTuner | 06-30-2003 03:43 AM |
Fiberglass!
The fiber glass hoods are now available
They are $700 + shipping!
Call us at 1-866-WRXTuner to place your orders!
Nick
[url]www.WRXTuner.com[/url]
They are $700 + shipping!
Call us at 1-866-WRXTuner to place your orders!
Nick
[url]www.WRXTuner.com[/url]
| phatfil | 06-30-2003 05:09 PM |
ACTUAL weight please.
Phil
[url]www.importautotrends.com[/url]
Phil
[url]www.importautotrends.com[/url]
| Jejunum | 07-03-2003 06:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by brucelee [/i]
[B]I like how our questions are being answered. [/B][/QUOTE]
u mean ignore, deny, and get aggresive defensive? (or is it defensive aggresive?)
heh
[B]I like how our questions are being answered. [/B][/QUOTE]
u mean ignore, deny, and get aggresive defensive? (or is it defensive aggresive?)
heh
| BurtonCR | 07-07-2003 01:13 AM |
Great vendor huh? You should all read my vendor review - it explains how "great" WRXTuner really is :rolleyes:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=381891[/url]
- chris
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=381891[/url]
- chris
| rex02 | 07-07-2003 02:50 AM |
i think brucelee was being sarcastic based on the thumbs down and the different font used in the word "great"
| BurtonCR | 07-07-2003 10:04 AM |
Whoops - I knew my post would sound like I didnt understand. Sorry, it was just to back up his opinion with some hard facts.
- Chris
- Chris
| 128d | 07-07-2003 11:39 AM |
They alreadyt sell this hood somewhere for cheaper than 800.
| WRXTuner | 07-07-2003 01:11 PM |
Sorry for the delay guys...
Well the fiber glass is going to weigh in at around 25lbs which is the stock hoods weight.
Remeber the stock hood is light weight aluminium so as far as any hood you buy aftermarket your not going to look for a major if any weight difference. This hood also incorperates head shielding which as I am sure you know no one else does.
The heat shielding is to help keep the hood from warping and reduce any shrinkage to a minimum so that you don't have something you hate several months down the road.
Also remember the design removes a lot of the heat from under the hood to begin with through the front vents reducing under hood temps greatly.
Nick
P.S. I understand your impatience with this hood since it has been such a long time in the making and please bare with us as we have several new projects that we are working on and there may be delays in reply's.
Remeber the stock hood is light weight aluminium so as far as any hood you buy aftermarket your not going to look for a major if any weight difference. This hood also incorperates head shielding which as I am sure you know no one else does.
The heat shielding is to help keep the hood from warping and reduce any shrinkage to a minimum so that you don't have something you hate several months down the road.
Also remember the design removes a lot of the heat from under the hood to begin with through the front vents reducing under hood temps greatly.
Nick
P.S. I understand your impatience with this hood since it has been such a long time in the making and please bare with us as we have several new projects that we are working on and there may be delays in reply's.
| WRXTuner | 07-07-2003 01:17 PM |
Not acutally true...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 128d [/i]
[B]They alreadyt sell this hood somewhere for cheaper than 800. [/B][/QUOTE]
They don't sell this hood somewhere else cheaper...
They sell one that looks similar and has totally different characteristics.
The original prova hood was changed from the original pictures that are posted everwhere, because it didn't flow properly through the top scoop the design that has been implimented with the GP Moto hood is a reflection of the stock design which creates a low pressure zone just before the scoop to draw more air into it.
The orginal design of the prova hood is rounded at the bottom which causes a lot of the air to be diverted over the scoop and not directly into it.
Nick
P.S. As far as BurtonCR goes I ask you to please read that post as it explains a lot.
[B]They alreadyt sell this hood somewhere for cheaper than 800. [/B][/QUOTE]
They don't sell this hood somewhere else cheaper...
They sell one that looks similar and has totally different characteristics.
The original prova hood was changed from the original pictures that are posted everwhere, because it didn't flow properly through the top scoop the design that has been implimented with the GP Moto hood is a reflection of the stock design which creates a low pressure zone just before the scoop to draw more air into it.
The orginal design of the prova hood is rounded at the bottom which causes a lot of the air to be diverted over the scoop and not directly into it.
Nick
P.S. As far as BurtonCR goes I ask you to please read that post as it explains a lot.
| 128d | 07-07-2003 05:59 PM |
Sounds good to me. If I had the cash I would be down for it.
Không có nhận xét nào:
Đăng nhận xét