| MPME | 05-31-2006 05:44 PM |
First look--APR 2006 STI Widebody kit
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APR just finished their sweet '06 Widebody kit--seen here are the prototype pictures. The SPEED GT STI is headed to APR right away for the new kit to be installed. Jaime is working on stripping the front of the car, and modifying the '05 radiator mounts/location to accept the '06 profile.
What you see is just primered mockup material laid in place (not bolted down) to look at the overall fit. The final product will be their usual perfect fiberglass and carbon mix.
Some parts of the bumper might look off place from the fender and the headlight, but again, the pics are just of the panels being laid up. The hood shown here still its a 05 model, but the '06 hood is ready.
Very clean lines, very effective, and I can't wait to get her painted and on the group with the new '06 look.
If you have any questions about the new kit, contact [email][email�protected][/email] or [email][email�protected][/email]
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What you see is just primered mockup material laid in place (not bolted down) to look at the overall fit. The final product will be their usual perfect fiberglass and carbon mix.
Some parts of the bumper might look off place from the fender and the headlight, but again, the pics are just of the panels being laid up. The hood shown here still its a 05 model, but the '06 hood is ready.
Very clean lines, very effective, and I can't wait to get her painted and on the group with the new '06 look.
If you have any questions about the new kit, contact [email][email�protected][/email] or [email][email�protected][/email]
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| Scoob5555 | 05-31-2006 07:30 PM |
Only now do I start to appreciate the 2006 redo. Should look mean with the complete kit on and painted.
| AlxSti | 05-31-2006 07:31 PM |
hm.. not really much of a change.. for the money its gonna cost anyway
| intence | 05-31-2006 07:32 PM |
looks boring. hopefully you guys put some performance parts on this time.
| BROKENWRX | 05-31-2006 07:33 PM |
When you are trying to fit 305's under your STI you will see that it is well worth it, the body kit performs a function not tacked on piece. Looks boring? You must not have seen the car in real life with the 05 body on it then, far from boring. The APR is the only company that I personally believe makes a body for the Subaru that does not look like a riced out piece of carp.
Jamie
Jamie
| AlxSti | 05-31-2006 07:45 PM |
um yea.. it looks boring. seems to me thay bodykits are out and clean lip kits are in!
| kenlee | 05-31-2006 07:47 PM |
I have yet to see a widebody that doesn't look like a riced out piece of carp. I'll wait to judge after the whole kit is on, lined up, and painted.
| remowgn | 05-31-2006 07:50 PM |
I guess it doesn't have enough neon or wing vents for people to think it looks "mad tite". I for one like the understated look of the APR setup. There's no need for the fast n' furious look when all you really want is to get more tire under the fenders.
Can't wait to see what it looks like when it's all together!
Can't wait to see what it looks like when it's all together!
| BROKENWRX | 05-31-2006 07:55 PM |
[QUOTE=kenlee]I have yet to see a widebody that doesn't look like a riced out piece of carp. I'll wait to judge after the whole kit is on, lined up, and painted.[/QUOTE]
I personly liked the look of our 05 wide body. Very cleam IMOP.
I personly liked the look of our 05 wide body. Very cleam IMOP.
| MPME | 05-31-2006 08:04 PM |
[QUOTE=AlxSti]um yea.. it looks boring. seems to me thay bodykits are out and clean lip kits are in![/QUOTE]
It's not meant to be a trailer queen kit or impress your friends in their Type-R's.
It actually serves a purpose, and is simply meant to be a wider version of the stock body (that's where the 'widebody' name came from...) unlike the majority of the garbage advertised in every import magazine.
If you want garbage that looks crazy but serves no known vehicular purpose, or is founded in a complete lack of aerodynamic understanding, don't call APR.
It's not meant to be a trailer queen kit or impress your friends in their Type-R's.
It actually serves a purpose, and is simply meant to be a wider version of the stock body (that's where the 'widebody' name came from...) unlike the majority of the garbage advertised in every import magazine.
If you want garbage that looks crazy but serves no known vehicular purpose, or is founded in a complete lack of aerodynamic understanding, don't call APR.
| ChrisL2 | 05-31-2006 08:18 PM |
Should look good when painted. It is kind of amusing how they still have the 05 hood on it.
| Tomnel | 05-31-2006 09:00 PM |
Looks nice and clean! can't wait to see it done.
Now they just need to make one without the pig snout and they'll sell a bunch!
Now they just need to make one without the pig snout and they'll sell a bunch!
| vtecTHIS | 05-31-2006 09:14 PM |
uhhh, there's a 04/05 version^^
| Advans | 05-31-2006 09:17 PM |
Very subtle changes. I actually like that idea, but widebodies are just too expensive. :(
| kwak | 05-31-2006 10:16 PM |
Marshall, have brake duct openings in it before getting it approved. ;)
Will the openings around the wheel well be functional? Downforce!
Will the openings around the wheel well be functional? Downforce!
| MPME | 05-31-2006 10:23 PM |
[QUOTE=kwak]Marshall, have brake duct openings in it before getting it approved. ;)
Will the openings around the wheel well be functional? Downforce![/QUOTE]
What? I don't think we're allowed to cool the brakes. Very bad call from what I've been told. Now brake [I]warmers[/I] would be a good idea...we've added a third exhaust pipe to each bank that feed directly into the disc centers...can't wait to see 'em glow like carbon rotors, baby!
The OE vent at the leading edge of the front tires is indeed aerodynamically functional--the vents on the back of the fenders, as they aren't OE, will have to be filled and made smooth to match the regular look. Those would do a lot more than the other vents, but oh well...
I look forward to working with APR on our 2006 25hrs of Thunderhill bodywork--it will have all the aero mods I ever wanted and aren't allowed in World Challenge.
Will the openings around the wheel well be functional? Downforce![/QUOTE]
What? I don't think we're allowed to cool the brakes. Very bad call from what I've been told. Now brake [I]warmers[/I] would be a good idea...we've added a third exhaust pipe to each bank that feed directly into the disc centers...can't wait to see 'em glow like carbon rotors, baby!
The OE vent at the leading edge of the front tires is indeed aerodynamically functional--the vents on the back of the fenders, as they aren't OE, will have to be filled and made smooth to match the regular look. Those would do a lot more than the other vents, but oh well...
I look forward to working with APR on our 2006 25hrs of Thunderhill bodywork--it will have all the aero mods I ever wanted and aren't allowed in World Challenge.
| Butt Dyno | 05-31-2006 10:54 PM |
[QUOTE=AlxSti]hm.. not really much of a change.. for the money its gonna cost anyway[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=intence]looks boring. hopefully you guys put some performance parts on this time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlxSti]um yea.. it looks boring. seems to me thay bodykits are out and clean lip kits are in![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kenlee]I have yet to see a widebody that doesn't look like a riced out piece of carp. I'll wait to judge after the whole kit is on, lined up, and painted.[/QUOTE]
Y'all realize this is a freakin' race car, right?
[QUOTE=intence]looks boring. hopefully you guys put some performance parts on this time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AlxSti]um yea.. it looks boring. seems to me thay bodykits are out and clean lip kits are in![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kenlee]I have yet to see a widebody that doesn't look like a riced out piece of carp. I'll wait to judge after the whole kit is on, lined up, and painted.[/QUOTE]
Y'all realize this is a freakin' race car, right?
| FWD WRX | 05-31-2006 11:06 PM |
looks kinda bland. maybe itll be better painted.. wrc widebody FTW
| GarySheehan | 05-31-2006 11:32 PM |
It's a widebody kit. It's not a "Transformers" body kit.
You would think stuffing 305 wide racing tires under an STi would be impressive around here. Oh, wait. Maybe if they were 305 wide tires that made red smoke during a drifting competition... :rolleyes:
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
You would think stuffing 305 wide racing tires under an STi would be impressive around here. Oh, wait. Maybe if they were 305 wide tires that made red smoke during a drifting competition... :rolleyes:
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
| King Ding187 | 05-31-2006 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Y'all realize this is a freakin' race car, right?[/QUOTE]
LMAO, thats exactly what I was thinking the whole time...
Marshall, are there any plans for a rear diffuser and if so will this just be the stock piece? Also, would there be any of the benefits of the roof spoiler or a modified version at the height of your wing?
LMAO, thats exactly what I was thinking the whole time...
Marshall, are there any plans for a rear diffuser and if so will this just be the stock piece? Also, would there be any of the benefits of the roof spoiler or a modified version at the height of your wing?
| the_colombian | 05-31-2006 11:45 PM |
looks almost stock besides the scoop. I think its better like that. nice kit
| Draken | 06-01-2006 12:05 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]It's a widebody kit. It's not a "Transformers" body kit.
You would think stuffing 305 wide racing tires under an STi would be impressive around here. Oh, wait. Maybe if they were 305 wide tires that made red smoke during a drifting competition... :rolleyes:
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
It is very impressive...however...sometimes it feels like you guys give out the impression that you are the only team/person on the planet to be doing it. Many top level autocrossers have had 275, 285, and even some 315 under STi for a while now. And while they aren't running widebodies, it's hardly a requirement to fit them.
I think the overall front of the new kit looks awesome. Pretty stock in appearance, just wider. I am curious how much provision SCCA will give you guy for front brake duct openings.
Chris H.
You would think stuffing 305 wide racing tires under an STi would be impressive around here. Oh, wait. Maybe if they were 305 wide tires that made red smoke during a drifting competition... :rolleyes:
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
It is very impressive...however...sometimes it feels like you guys give out the impression that you are the only team/person on the planet to be doing it. Many top level autocrossers have had 275, 285, and even some 315 under STi for a while now. And while they aren't running widebodies, it's hardly a requirement to fit them.
I think the overall front of the new kit looks awesome. Pretty stock in appearance, just wider. I am curious how much provision SCCA will give you guy for front brake duct openings.
Chris H.
| Patrick Olsen | 06-01-2006 12:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Draken]Many top level autocrossers have had 275, 285, and even some 315 under STi for a while now. And while they aren't running widebodies, it's hardly a requirement to fit them.[/QUOTE]
How many of them are running the ride height so low that the inside of the strut tower had to be cut out and reshaped to allow sufficient suspension travel? I think if those top level autocrossers were running their cars as low as this car is set up (from what I've read here) they'd all be tearing their fenders off.
Pat
How many of them are running the ride height so low that the inside of the strut tower had to be cut out and reshaped to allow sufficient suspension travel? I think if those top level autocrossers were running their cars as low as this car is set up (from what I've read here) they'd all be tearing their fenders off.
Pat
| GarySheehan | 06-01-2006 12:34 AM |
Exactly. We're not going for the monster truck look, here. The tires have to fit within the fenders. There really are different requirements for a World Challenge GT car vs. an autocross car.
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
| MPME | 06-01-2006 12:56 AM |
[QUOTE=King Ding187]LMAO, thats exactly what I was thinking the whole time...
Marshall, are there any plans for a rear diffuser and if so will this just be the stock piece? Also, would there be any of the benefits of the roof spoiler or a modified version at the height of your wing?[/QUOTE]
King--you bet--we're now legal to use the OE diffuser. The fitment challenge will be trying to incorporate it in, around, and under the low-slung fuel cell. It sits right where it would normally go on a road car.
As for the rear 'air conditioner,' we should run it per the rules, but as you mentioned, it's not really meant to work in conjunction with our rear wing. The height of the rear wing can/will change depending on the needs of each track, but until I can properly test the two together, I can't say if I'll ask to use it/ditch it.
I have my ideas about what the outcome of our testing will be, but am not confident enough in those beliefs to make a call without a wee bit o' empirical testing--I look forward to learning the answer.
Marshall, are there any plans for a rear diffuser and if so will this just be the stock piece? Also, would there be any of the benefits of the roof spoiler or a modified version at the height of your wing?[/QUOTE]
King--you bet--we're now legal to use the OE diffuser. The fitment challenge will be trying to incorporate it in, around, and under the low-slung fuel cell. It sits right where it would normally go on a road car.
As for the rear 'air conditioner,' we should run it per the rules, but as you mentioned, it's not really meant to work in conjunction with our rear wing. The height of the rear wing can/will change depending on the needs of each track, but until I can properly test the two together, I can't say if I'll ask to use it/ditch it.
I have my ideas about what the outcome of our testing will be, but am not confident enough in those beliefs to make a call without a wee bit o' empirical testing--I look forward to learning the answer.
| MPME | 06-01-2006 01:04 AM |
[QUOTE=Draken]It is very impressive...however...sometimes it feels like you guys give out the impression that you are the only team/person on the planet to be doing it. Many top level autocrossers have had 275, 285, and even some 315 under STi for a while now. And while they aren't running widebodies, it's hardly a requirement to fit them.
I think the overall front of the new kit looks awesome. Pretty stock in appearance, just wider. I am curious how much provision SCCA will give you guy for front brake duct openings.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
WC allows a minimum ride height of 3" and like every other team, we do all that's possible to be at that ride height. It took 2 full days to massage, tweak, and mod the '05 APR kit to fit the 275's because of this. I can only imagine what it will take to fit 305's.
If the WC rules mandated stock ride heights, this would all be academic, and painfully easy by comparison. As it is, the brand new '06 kit will have to undergo A LOT of custom mods to tuck the 305's inside.
As for brake ducting, the SCCA is good for whatever a team needs to do, within reason, to allow air into cool the brakes. We have some pretty cool, unique, and serious brake ducting in the works that we look forward to showing when done.
I think the overall front of the new kit looks awesome. Pretty stock in appearance, just wider. I am curious how much provision SCCA will give you guy for front brake duct openings.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
WC allows a minimum ride height of 3" and like every other team, we do all that's possible to be at that ride height. It took 2 full days to massage, tweak, and mod the '05 APR kit to fit the 275's because of this. I can only imagine what it will take to fit 305's.
If the WC rules mandated stock ride heights, this would all be academic, and painfully easy by comparison. As it is, the brand new '06 kit will have to undergo A LOT of custom mods to tuck the 305's inside.
As for brake ducting, the SCCA is good for whatever a team needs to do, within reason, to allow air into cool the brakes. We have some pretty cool, unique, and serious brake ducting in the works that we look forward to showing when done.
| STi-MAN | 06-01-2006 01:10 AM |
what im wondering is how much work was needed to change the 05 front to a 06?
| MPME | 06-01-2006 01:41 AM |
[QUOTE=STi-MAN]what im wondering is how much work was needed to change the 05 front to a 06?[/QUOTE]
Details to follow...
Jaime had to do it on Julie's car, but with the radiator moved and new lights in place, it was then a swap of OE panels for OE panels. Maybe he can speak on that conversion.
Details to follow...
Jaime had to do it on Julie's car, but with the radiator moved and new lights in place, it was then a swap of OE panels for OE panels. Maybe he can speak on that conversion.
| RaceComp Engineering | 06-01-2006 02:01 AM |
Marshall, I got your message. I will call you tomorrow. ( Thursday).
Myles
Myles
| drees | 06-01-2006 03:46 AM |
Looks awesome! Can't wait to see how the whole car comes together for Laguna Seca!
| gotsol | 06-01-2006 08:25 AM |
maybe if you added M3 side gills you'd make everyone happy?
I love the look, very WRC!!!
I love the look, very WRC!!!
| DrBiggly | 06-01-2006 10:10 AM |
The white color of those fenders don't lend themselves kindly to showing proper photographic perspective. The biggest hint as to just how wide that really is comes from the cutout behind the front wheels. With paint it will show in photos better.
I'm sure in person it's quite a significant change. Good looking stuff; it's quite well done and looks as close to OEM as one could ask for. :)
-Biggly
I'm sure in person it's quite a significant change. Good looking stuff; it's quite well done and looks as close to OEM as one could ask for. :)
-Biggly
| ami2fst4u | 06-01-2006 10:13 AM |
[QUOTE=Scoob5555]Only now do I start to appreciate the 2006 redo.[/QUOTE]Agreed....
Rick
Rick
| Draken | 06-01-2006 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Patrick Olsen]How many of them are running the ride height so low that the inside of the strut tower had to be cut out and reshaped to allow sufficient suspension travel? I think if those top level autocrossers were running their cars as low as this car is set up (from what I've read here) they'd all be tearing their fenders off.
Pat[/QUOTE]
Just a couple comments, none of it intended to be disrespectful. I'm just curious.
First:
Pat, you are right. Most of the top guys I know autocrossing understand that it is retarded to run these cars too low, using stock pickup points. It's basic math to figure out that once you lower the car past a certain point, your roll center goes underground, and you have a bad camber curve. That's the tradeoff. Ride height versus proper suspension geometry. Most I know choose geometry.
Second:
I was very shocked when I saw this car at the 25hrs of Thunderhill, and thought it was funny they were rubbing with 225 Toyos. The car was way too low. Even more shocked to find out they had not relocated the inner pickup points, and/or were not using something like the new ball joint extenders at a minimum. Many many people have commented that the car is way too low, and in fact, photos from Long Beach showed how screwy the camber curve was on the loaded outside front tire. The fact they need to hack out sheet metal, is only needed because the car is way low, not because they have huge tires.
Third:
I can totally understand the want for wide fenders to cover the big meaty tires for road racing. Besides, I think the kit looks awesome. M
Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. Maybe they have since relocated inner pickup points the allowable 25mm, or they bribed Hoppe out of a set of early ball joint extenders. I hope so.
btw, don't most of the other Speed GT cars, that do run 3", have double a-arms.....with nice camber curves? Corvette, Viper, Porsche etc. Just because they can do it, doesn't mean a stock geometry Subie should.
But I digress. Good luck in Laguna!
Chris H.
Pat[/QUOTE]
Just a couple comments, none of it intended to be disrespectful. I'm just curious.
First:
Pat, you are right. Most of the top guys I know autocrossing understand that it is retarded to run these cars too low, using stock pickup points. It's basic math to figure out that once you lower the car past a certain point, your roll center goes underground, and you have a bad camber curve. That's the tradeoff. Ride height versus proper suspension geometry. Most I know choose geometry.
Second:
I was very shocked when I saw this car at the 25hrs of Thunderhill, and thought it was funny they were rubbing with 225 Toyos. The car was way too low. Even more shocked to find out they had not relocated the inner pickup points, and/or were not using something like the new ball joint extenders at a minimum. Many many people have commented that the car is way too low, and in fact, photos from Long Beach showed how screwy the camber curve was on the loaded outside front tire. The fact they need to hack out sheet metal, is only needed because the car is way low, not because they have huge tires.
Third:
I can totally understand the want for wide fenders to cover the big meaty tires for road racing. Besides, I think the kit looks awesome. M
Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. Maybe they have since relocated inner pickup points the allowable 25mm, or they bribed Hoppe out of a set of early ball joint extenders. I hope so.
btw, don't most of the other Speed GT cars, that do run 3", have double a-arms.....with nice camber curves? Corvette, Viper, Porsche etc. Just because they can do it, doesn't mean a stock geometry Subie should.
But I digress. Good luck in Laguna!
Chris H.
| Chiketkd | 06-01-2006 12:57 PM |
Pics looks great!!!!
| MPME | 06-01-2006 01:04 PM |
[I]Many many people have commented that the car is way too low, and in fact, photos from Long Beach showed how screwy the camber curve was on the loaded outside front tire. The fact they need to hack out sheet metal, is only needed because the car is way low, not because they have huge tires. [/I]
What people? road racing people? The car wasn't nearly as low at the 25hr as it was at Long Beach, so that's simply wrong. As for the big rubbing problem at Thunderhill, there wasn't one. Minor rubbing, at best. You'd have had to stuck your head in the fender well to really know what you're talking about.
The hacking sheet metal comment is just ignorant. If I need to explian to you the many different ways it's ignorant, you've got a lot more you need to learn about road racing before we'd even cross that bridge.
[I]Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. [/I]
Never said it was--we said we'd have to compromise for Long Beach--the car wasn't near the 3" minimum nor did we have all the geometry fixes in place.
[I]btw, don't most of the other Speed GT cars, that do run 3", have double a-arms.....with nice camber curves? Corvette, Viper, Porsche etc. Just because they can do it, doesn't mean a stock geometry Subie should.[/I]
Too funny. Thanks for laugh. I'll stop now.
What people? road racing people? The car wasn't nearly as low at the 25hr as it was at Long Beach, so that's simply wrong. As for the big rubbing problem at Thunderhill, there wasn't one. Minor rubbing, at best. You'd have had to stuck your head in the fender well to really know what you're talking about.
The hacking sheet metal comment is just ignorant. If I need to explian to you the many different ways it's ignorant, you've got a lot more you need to learn about road racing before we'd even cross that bridge.
[I]Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. [/I]
Never said it was--we said we'd have to compromise for Long Beach--the car wasn't near the 3" minimum nor did we have all the geometry fixes in place.
[I]btw, don't most of the other Speed GT cars, that do run 3", have double a-arms.....with nice camber curves? Corvette, Viper, Porsche etc. Just because they can do it, doesn't mean a stock geometry Subie should.[/I]
Too funny. Thanks for laugh. I'll stop now.
| Draken | 06-01-2006 01:14 PM |
Ha, my pleasure. Like I said, i think you guys are doing awesome. It wasn't meant as criticism, but if you choose to take it that way, then I'm sorry.
I was at Thunderhill, and no i didnt stick my head under the car. I didn't want to be rude. I did the see the photos you posted of the rubbing on the sheet metal. And, imo, if you rubbed that much with 225 Toyos, than is pretty dang serious. I guess not in your mind. Sorry for the poor choice of words. FWIW, Many of us that run out there don't rub with 245, 255, or 275 tires.
And with regard to the comments about road racers. Are road racers the only people skilled enough to give you advice?
Oh, and thanks for the ignorant comments. Gave me a chuckle. Don't forget to wear a safety shield next time you hack off some pesky sheet metal.
Chris H.
I was at Thunderhill, and no i didnt stick my head under the car. I didn't want to be rude. I did the see the photos you posted of the rubbing on the sheet metal. And, imo, if you rubbed that much with 225 Toyos, than is pretty dang serious. I guess not in your mind. Sorry for the poor choice of words. FWIW, Many of us that run out there don't rub with 245, 255, or 275 tires.
And with regard to the comments about road racers. Are road racers the only people skilled enough to give you advice?
Oh, and thanks for the ignorant comments. Gave me a chuckle. Don't forget to wear a safety shield next time you hack off some pesky sheet metal.
Chris H.
| trhoppe | 06-01-2006 01:14 PM |
Alls I gots to say is that the balljoint adapters will put this car right back to "good geometry with no compromises while scraping the ground" status :)
-Tom
-Tom
| BROKENWRX | 06-01-2006 01:21 PM |
One thing that make it hard to fit big rubber to our STI is that the ohlins struts run a 101.6mm springs as apposed to most other makes of 88.9-82.55mm. As you know when you are looking for room to fit things every mm helps.
Jamie
Jamie
| MPME | 06-01-2006 01:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken]Ha, my pleasure. Like I said, i think you guys are doing awesome. It wasn't meant as criticism, but if you choose to take it that way, then I'm sorry.
I was at Thunderhill, and no i didnt stick my head under the car. I didn't want to be rude. I did the see the photos you posted of the rubbing on the sheet metal. And, imo, if you rubbed that much with 225 Toyos, than is pretty dang serious. I guess not in your mind. Sorry for the poor choice of words. FWIW, Many of us that run out there don't rub with 245, 255, or 275 tires.
And with regard to the comments about road racers. Are road racers the only people skilled enough to give you advice?
Oh, and thanks for the ignorant comments. Gave me a chuckle. Don't forget to wear a safety shield next time you hack off some pesky sheet metal.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
I've never told autoX'ers what to do, what they're doing wrong, or how I know better because I simply don't have the experience to. I've spent my life in road racing, and know there's lot's of crossover to autoX, but as I haven't run or campaigned an amatuer, much less top level autoX car, I don't presume my road racing experience trumps anything an autox vet knows. Kinda makes, sense, no?
I'm all good with criticism, advice, and whatever else, but when silly/ignorant stuff comes in from people that don't have much/any similar experience, yeah, I'd question the value or quality of it.
I was at Thunderhill, and no i didnt stick my head under the car. I didn't want to be rude. I did the see the photos you posted of the rubbing on the sheet metal. And, imo, if you rubbed that much with 225 Toyos, than is pretty dang serious. I guess not in your mind. Sorry for the poor choice of words. FWIW, Many of us that run out there don't rub with 245, 255, or 275 tires.
And with regard to the comments about road racers. Are road racers the only people skilled enough to give you advice?
Oh, and thanks for the ignorant comments. Gave me a chuckle. Don't forget to wear a safety shield next time you hack off some pesky sheet metal.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
I've never told autoX'ers what to do, what they're doing wrong, or how I know better because I simply don't have the experience to. I've spent my life in road racing, and know there's lot's of crossover to autoX, but as I haven't run or campaigned an amatuer, much less top level autoX car, I don't presume my road racing experience trumps anything an autox vet knows. Kinda makes, sense, no?
I'm all good with criticism, advice, and whatever else, but when silly/ignorant stuff comes in from people that don't have much/any similar experience, yeah, I'd question the value or quality of it.
| MPME | 06-01-2006 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Alls I gots to say is that the balljoint adapters will put this car right back to "good geometry with no compromises while scraping the ground" status :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Amen, Tom.
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Amen, Tom.
| kic | 06-01-2006 01:56 PM |
Car's lookin good. Once everything is on and painted I think some people turn their negative opinion around. Subtle, but very sleek!
| javid | 06-01-2006 02:02 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken]
Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. Maybe they have since relocated inner pickup points the allowable 25mm, or they bribed Hoppe out of a set of early ball joint extenders. I hope so.
[/QUOTE]
They did 'bribe' a set, and they have known they would get the first set for a very long time now. To me, what they did makes sense, right now they have all the custom fabrication (inner and outer fender walls fit the tires they want at the height they want). So they will have 30 mintues of work to do next week when the ball joints get in rather than 30 hours of fab work.
As for all the wide body haters:
You are alowed to flame the wide body's in the member car forum but not here. This is the motorsoports forum and covering your tires is a requirement in SWCGT.... so go find a sand box, bury your head in it, and think about the stupid things you've posted. ;)
Fourth:
I guess i just dont understand why getting the car to within 3" ground clearance is more important than having proper suspension geometry. Maybe they have since relocated inner pickup points the allowable 25mm, or they bribed Hoppe out of a set of early ball joint extenders. I hope so.
[/QUOTE]
They did 'bribe' a set, and they have known they would get the first set for a very long time now. To me, what they did makes sense, right now they have all the custom fabrication (inner and outer fender walls fit the tires they want at the height they want). So they will have 30 mintues of work to do next week when the ball joints get in rather than 30 hours of fab work.
As for all the wide body haters:
You are alowed to flame the wide body's in the member car forum but not here. This is the motorsoports forum and covering your tires is a requirement in SWCGT.... so go find a sand box, bury your head in it, and think about the stupid things you've posted. ;)
| GarySheehan | 06-01-2006 02:30 PM |
[QUOTE=javid]You are alowed to flame the wide body's in the member car forum but not here. This is the motorsoports forum and covering your tires is a requirement in SWCGT.... so go find a sand box, bury your head in it, and think about the stupid things you've posted. ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't know. I think Marshall and I need to give the "nice clean lip" idea some more thought.
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
I don't know. I think Marshall and I need to give the "nice clean lip" idea some more thought.
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT
| MPME | 06-01-2006 02:31 PM |
[QUOTE=javid]They did 'bribe' a set, and they have known they would get the first set for a very long time now. To me, what they did makes sense, right now they have all the custom fabrication (inner and outer fender walls fit the tires they want at the height they want). So they will have 30 mintues of work to do next week when the ball joints get in rather than 30 hours of fab work.
As for all the wide body haters:
You are alowed to flame the wide body's in the member car forum but not here. This is the motorsoports forum and covering your tires is a requirement in SWCGT.... so go find a sand box, bury your head in it, and think about the stupid things you've posted. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks Javid--I'd hope the marketing opportunities of having your rockin' pieces on the sole STI SPEED GT car to be of some value in return.
We look forward to getting them in place ASAP!
As for all the wide body haters:
You are alowed to flame the wide body's in the member car forum but not here. This is the motorsoports forum and covering your tires is a requirement in SWCGT.... so go find a sand box, bury your head in it, and think about the stupid things you've posted. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks Javid--I'd hope the marketing opportunities of having your rockin' pieces on the sole STI SPEED GT car to be of some value in return.
We look forward to getting them in place ASAP!
| MPME | 06-01-2006 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I don't know. I think Marshall and I need to give the "nice clean lip" idea some more thought.
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
Me too. Found these to consider--maybe we can add some 'street glow' beneath the car too! Gotta make the kidZ happy!
[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/larkscds/dumbndumber.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.monsterjamonline.com/photoGallery/060325racing/IMG_2526.jpg[/IMG]
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
Me too. Found these to consider--maybe we can add some 'street glow' beneath the car too! Gotta make the kidZ happy!
[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/larkscds/dumbndumber.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.monsterjamonline.com/photoGallery/060325racing/IMG_2526.jpg[/IMG]
| Virrdog | 06-01-2006 02:52 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME][IMG]http://www.monsterjamonline.com/photoGallery/060325racing/IMG_2526.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Not nearly enough camber on those front wheels. And they need to rethink their front spring lengths since they have to use limiting straps... :lol:
Not nearly enough camber on those front wheels. And they need to rethink their front spring lengths since they have to use limiting straps... :lol:
| Pacobeagle | 06-01-2006 03:03 PM |
Looks great!!!! Now who makes one for my bugeye so that my 17x10 CCW's "look" good?
Curious,
Jose
Curious,
Jose
| stidailydriver | 06-01-2006 03:15 PM |
Thats awesome. I want.
275-285s, and plenty of fender room. perfect! :disco:
275-285s, and plenty of fender room. perfect! :disco:
| TurboRX | 06-01-2006 03:19 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]I don't know. I think Marshall and I need to give the "nice clean lip" idea some more thought.
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
Just make sure its STX legal...
Gary
#99 ESX Subaru STi
World Challenge GT[/QUOTE]
Just make sure its STX legal...
| javid | 06-01-2006 03:28 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]Thanks Javid--I'd hope the marketing opportunities of having your rockin' pieces on the sole STI SPEED GT car to be of some value in return.
We look forward to getting them in place ASAP![/QUOTE]
Your marketing > * :D
As for your lip, by the time your done with the 25 hours it will be covered in rubber, cracked, bashed, and possibly still smoldering a little.
We look forward to getting them in place ASAP![/QUOTE]
Your marketing > * :D
As for your lip, by the time your done with the 25 hours it will be covered in rubber, cracked, bashed, and possibly still smoldering a little.
| MPME | 06-01-2006 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Virrdog]Not nearly enough camber on those front wheels. And they need to rethink their front spring lengths since they have to use limiting straps... :lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes, but we can fit 1475's!
Yes, but we can fit 1475's!
| kwak | 06-01-2006 05:52 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]What? I don't think we're allowed to cool the brakes. Very bad call from what I've been told. Now brake [I]warmers[/I] would be a good idea...we've added a third exhaust pipe to each bank that feed directly into the disc centers...can't wait to see 'em glow like carbon rotors, baby![/QUOTE]You could just go for a nice warm fuzzy glow by ducting air from behind the radiator and intercooler to the brakes. :p
| kwak | 06-01-2006 06:01 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]It's a widebody kit. It's not a "Transformers" body kit.[/QUOTE]"Functional" is not in their vocabulairee... vokabulary... they don't know what it means.
| silver arrow | 06-01-2006 09:45 PM |
would be nice to see how it works out
| MPME | 06-07-2006 04:21 PM |
:banana: She's coming along nicely. APR rocks.
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versus
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[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/57/162563043_e13d89265c_o.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/44/162563022_65d0ddd772_o.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/50/162563060_e290e171b2_o.jpg[/IMG]
versus
[IMG]http://static.flickr.com/52/144243408_0c8fd03044.jpg[/IMG]
| hyp36rmax | 06-07-2006 04:24 PM |
simply stunning, i want to look at the rear brake ducts... haha yes OT last time i saw it was when i was helping jaimie load the car into the truck at rim of the world rally.
| silver arrow | 06-07-2006 04:25 PM |
Looks fantastic, when can we see you next on the tube.
| Butt Dyno | 06-07-2006 04:29 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]:banana: She's coming along nicely. APR rocks.[/QUOTE]
I don't see any TV's? :confused:
I don't see any TV's? :confused:
| MPME | 06-07-2006 04:32 PM |
October, hopefully, at the Laguna ALMS/SPEED finale. Seibon should have the hood done shortly, and the 6-piston Front/4-piston rear Stoptech custome brake system should be ready by the end of July. The tilton floor mount pedals will go in soon too.
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