| bemani | 04-24-2006 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Sweet, I love driver drama, and since Albers never got a chance to take a swing at Ide...
the brewing spat between Jarno and Michael will have to do.[/QUOTE]
Don't expect little help from him???? :confused: Are we talking about Ralf?
Why would anyone not on the Toyota team expect help from Trulli? :confused:
the brewing spat between Jarno and Michael will have to do.[/QUOTE]
Don't expect little help from him???? :confused: Are we talking about Ralf?
Why would anyone not on the Toyota team expect help from Trulli? :confused:
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 08:47 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX]
If this CBS coverage really does work, and more people get into F1, then i wont mind it all. they just need to not repeat it everytime it happens.
btw, no worries.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It probably benefited many of the new viewers of F1. It just bothered me that we had NO idea what was going on anywhere else on the track.
At least CBS picked it up. Hope the ratings are up there too.
If this CBS coverage really does work, and more people get into F1, then i wont mind it all. they just need to not repeat it everytime it happens.
btw, no worries.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It probably benefited many of the new viewers of F1. It just bothered me that we had NO idea what was going on anywhere else on the track.
At least CBS picked it up. Hope the ratings are up there too.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 08:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg][IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What a fine machine.... all about to be destroyed. :(
-Matt
What a fine machine.... all about to be destroyed. :(
-Matt
| StuBeck | 04-24-2006 08:50 PM |
No, its about Michael, there's no reason he needs to run in front of someone else for a lap and not pull over and brake a bit early and just let them by.
| StuBeck | 04-24-2006 08:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]How about a caption contest for poor Christian Albers.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]
Well I told the team I wanted to turn our season around but this is redicoulous.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]
Well I told the team I wanted to turn our season around but this is redicoulous.
| REX8 | 04-24-2006 09:02 PM |
"I was flyin' out there"
| wvallwheeldrive | 04-24-2006 09:48 PM |
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
...but i was good at Gran Turismo 4!
...but i was good at Gran Turismo 4!
| Chromer | 04-24-2006 10:02 PM |
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/IMG]
The new Japanese motorsports craze, 3-D-orifto.
The new Japanese motorsports craze, 3-D-orifto.
| TarmacRally | 04-24-2006 10:52 PM |
Did I hear them say Alonso was planning a move to McLaren? :huh:
why would he leave a team he is winning with? and go to a team that, arguably, has had reliability problems.
why would he leave a team he is winning with? and go to a team that, arguably, has had reliability problems.
| chairmandave | 04-24-2006 10:59 PM |
[img]http://www.pbase.com/image/59155949/large.jpg[/img]
Takuma Sato overheard in the paddock post-race: 'Jeez Ide, you're giving Asian drivers a bad name!'
Takuma Sato overheard in the paddock post-race: 'Jeez Ide, you're giving Asian drivers a bad name!'
| Ferg | 04-24-2006 11:30 PM |
[QUOTE=TarmacRally]Did I hear them say Alonso was planning a move to McLaren? :huh:
why would he leave a team he is winning with? and go to a team that, arguably, has had reliability problems.[/QUOTE]
There's been some mention of it. :)
Why does any driver leave any team? Schumacher did the same back in 1996. He was winning everything in sight with Bennetton and left for Ferrari $$$ and something new. I suspect Alonso's reasons are much the same.
why would he leave a team he is winning with? and go to a team that, arguably, has had reliability problems.[/QUOTE]
There's been some mention of it. :)
Why does any driver leave any team? Schumacher did the same back in 1996. He was winning everything in sight with Bennetton and left for Ferrari $$$ and something new. I suspect Alonso's reasons are much the same.
| MattDell | 04-24-2006 11:36 PM |
[QUOTE=TarmacRally]Did I hear them say Alonso was planning a move to McLaren? :huh: [/QUOTE]
That's pretty much the $1M question this season. If you know the answer....
That's pretty much the $1M question this season. If you know the answer....
| MattDell | 04-25-2006 12:04 AM |
[SIZE=6][COLOR=red][b]F1P6 Results[/b][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[size=3]for group [b]Impreza.net[/b]
for the [b]Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari[/b][/size]
[CODE]
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya F.Massa K.Raikkonen M.Webber J.Button G.Fisichella
71. 52 139 Michael Fiyak F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya K.Raikkonen J.Button G.Fisichella J.Trulli M.Webber
52 143 William Truett M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya G.Fisichella J.Button F.Massa N.Rosberg
230. 48 143 Jody Bertoli K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button M.Webber N.Rosberg
284. 47 47 Ken Addison M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg M.Webber J.Montoya
344. 46 165 Gary Lancaster F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button M.Webber J.Trulli N.Heidfeld
418. 45 141 Johann Joo K.Raikkonen F.Alonso G.Fisichella J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Button M.Webber J.Trulli
45 161 Andrew Sekellick K.Raikkonen F.Alonso G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Massa J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello
506. 44 129 Mika Hyytiainen K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello N.Rosberg G.Fisichella
586. 43 118 Tommy Mcwilliams G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Montoya N.Rosberg M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Button J.Trulli
677. 42 130 Steve Morris K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya J.Button N.Heidfeld G.Fisichella N.Rosberg
42 142 Andy Zi F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg J.Villeneuve
811. 41 137 Matt Doyle F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher G.Fisichella J.Montoya J.Button N.Heidfeld F.Massa
904. 40 137 Ony Anglade J.Montoya M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Button R.Schumacher G.Fisichella D.Coulthard
40 129 Paul Chavez F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Button G.Fisichella J.Trulli N.Heidfeld
40 146 Matt Dell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button M.Schumacher R.Barrichello G.Fisichella N.Rosberg
1025. 39 137 Peter Lapin J.Button K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya M.Schumacher R.Barrichello G.Fisichella F.Massa
1124. 38 131 Stuart Becktell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher N.Rosberg N.Heidfeld D.Coulthard G.Fisichella
1325. 36 80 Ken March F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher F.Massa
36 136 David Pio J.Button N.Rosberg M.Webber F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Villeneuve G.Fisichella
1540. 34 128 Rupert Berrington K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso G.Fisichella J.Trulli J.Montoya F.Massa N.Rosberg
1629. 33 142 Lord Bass F.Alonso K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button D.Coulthard R.Barrichello M.Webber
33 132 Jeff Preston K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello N.Rosberg
33 136 Scott Ripley F.Alonso J.Button M.Webber G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Montoya R.Barrichello F.Massa
1708. 32 66 Jim Rider F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
32 120 Brian Sullivan K.Raikkonen N.Rosberg F.Alonso M.Webber J.Montoya D.Coulthard G.Fisichella J.Trulli
1784. 31 135 Chris Hartman K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher N.Heidfeld D.Coulthard
1846. 30 113 James Alberts F.Alonso M.Webber G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button N.Rosberg J.Montoya D.Coulthard
1908. 29 117 Sean Ford K.Raikkonen J.Montoya F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher R.Schumacher R.Barrichello S.Speed
29 124 Matt Phelps F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg D.Coulthard J.Villeneuve
1941. 28 119 Brad Erdman K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher J.Montoya N.Rosberg J.Trulli
28 120 Alex Hofstetter K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button N.Rosberg J.Villeneuve F.Massa
28 124 Andrew Parente K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Trulli N.Rosberg
2056. 14 105 David Ferguson N.Rosberg F.Massa J.Villeneuve D.Coulthard R.Barrichello K.Raikkonen J.Trulli S.Speed [/CODE]
[SIZE=6][COLOR=red][b]F1P6 2006 Standings[/b][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[size=3]for group [b]Impreza.net[/b][/size]
[CODE] 14. 165 Gary Lancaster
31. 161 Andrew Sekellick
395. 146 Matt Dell
529. 143 Jody Bertoli
143 William Truett
578. 142 Lord Bass
142 Andy Zi
637. 141 Johann Joo
768. 139 Michael Fiyak
875. 137 Ony Anglade
137 Matt Doyle
137 Peter Lapin
925. 136 David Pio
136 Scott Ripley
978. 135 Chris Hartman
1150. 132 Jeff Preston
1195. 131 Stuart Becktell
1248. 130 Steve Morris
1289. 129 Paul Chavez
129 Mika Hyytiainen
1321. 128 Rupert Berrington
1458. 124 Andrew Parente
124 Matt Phelps
1587. 120 Alex Hofstetter
120 Brian Sullivan
1617. 119 Brad Erdman
1647. 118 Tommy Mcwilliams
1669. 117 Sean Ford
1739. 113 James Alberts
1844. 105 David Ferguson
1930. 96 Christopher Mcguire
2035. 80 Ken March
2122. 66 Jim Rider
2225. 47 Ken Addison [/CODE]
I thought I did terrible, but I moved from 4th to 3rd! :banana:
-Matt
[size=3]for group [b]Impreza.net[/b]
for the [b]Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari[/b][/size]
[CODE]
Rank Score M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya F.Massa K.Raikkonen M.Webber J.Button G.Fisichella
71. 52 139 Michael Fiyak F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya K.Raikkonen J.Button G.Fisichella J.Trulli M.Webber
52 143 William Truett M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya G.Fisichella J.Button F.Massa N.Rosberg
230. 48 143 Jody Bertoli K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button M.Webber N.Rosberg
284. 47 47 Ken Addison M.Schumacher F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg M.Webber J.Montoya
344. 46 165 Gary Lancaster F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button M.Webber J.Trulli N.Heidfeld
418. 45 141 Johann Joo K.Raikkonen F.Alonso G.Fisichella J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Button M.Webber J.Trulli
45 161 Andrew Sekellick K.Raikkonen F.Alonso G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Massa J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello
506. 44 129 Mika Hyytiainen K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello N.Rosberg G.Fisichella
586. 43 118 Tommy Mcwilliams G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Montoya N.Rosberg M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Button J.Trulli
677. 42 130 Steve Morris K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Montoya J.Button N.Heidfeld G.Fisichella N.Rosberg
42 142 Andy Zi F.Alonso M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg J.Villeneuve
811. 41 137 Matt Doyle F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher G.Fisichella J.Montoya J.Button N.Heidfeld F.Massa
904. 40 137 Ony Anglade J.Montoya M.Schumacher K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Button R.Schumacher G.Fisichella D.Coulthard
40 129 Paul Chavez F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Button G.Fisichella J.Trulli N.Heidfeld
40 146 Matt Dell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya J.Button M.Schumacher R.Barrichello G.Fisichella N.Rosberg
1025. 39 137 Peter Lapin J.Button K.Raikkonen F.Alonso J.Montoya M.Schumacher R.Barrichello G.Fisichella F.Massa
1124. 38 131 Stuart Becktell F.Alonso K.Raikkonen J.Montoya M.Schumacher N.Rosberg N.Heidfeld D.Coulthard G.Fisichella
1325. 36 80 Ken March F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher F.Massa
36 136 David Pio J.Button N.Rosberg M.Webber F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Villeneuve G.Fisichella
1540. 34 128 Rupert Berrington K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher F.Alonso G.Fisichella J.Trulli J.Montoya F.Massa N.Rosberg
1629. 33 142 Lord Bass F.Alonso K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button D.Coulthard R.Barrichello M.Webber
33 132 Jeff Preston K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Montoya J.Button R.Barrichello N.Rosberg
33 136 Scott Ripley F.Alonso J.Button M.Webber G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Montoya R.Barrichello F.Massa
1708. 32 66 Jim Rider F.Alonso G.Fisichella K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher R.Barrichello
32 120 Brian Sullivan K.Raikkonen N.Rosberg F.Alonso M.Webber J.Montoya D.Coulthard G.Fisichella J.Trulli
1784. 31 135 Chris Hartman K.Raikkonen F.Alonso M.Schumacher J.Button J.Montoya R.Schumacher N.Heidfeld D.Coulthard
1846. 30 113 James Alberts F.Alonso M.Webber G.Fisichella M.Schumacher J.Button N.Rosberg J.Montoya D.Coulthard
1908. 29 117 Sean Ford K.Raikkonen J.Montoya F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher R.Schumacher R.Barrichello S.Speed
29 124 Matt Phelps F.Alonso K.Raikkonen M.Schumacher J.Button G.Fisichella N.Rosberg D.Coulthard J.Villeneuve
1941. 28 119 Brad Erdman K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Button M.Schumacher J.Montoya N.Rosberg J.Trulli
28 120 Alex Hofstetter K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella M.Schumacher F.Alonso J.Button N.Rosberg J.Villeneuve F.Massa
28 124 Andrew Parente K.Raikkonen G.Fisichella F.Alonso J.Button J.Montoya M.Schumacher J.Trulli N.Rosberg
2056. 14 105 David Ferguson N.Rosberg F.Massa J.Villeneuve D.Coulthard R.Barrichello K.Raikkonen J.Trulli S.Speed [/CODE]
[SIZE=6][COLOR=red][b]F1P6 2006 Standings[/b][/COLOR][/SIZE]
[size=3]for group [b]Impreza.net[/b][/size]
[CODE] 14. 165 Gary Lancaster
31. 161 Andrew Sekellick
395. 146 Matt Dell
529. 143 Jody Bertoli
143 William Truett
578. 142 Lord Bass
142 Andy Zi
637. 141 Johann Joo
768. 139 Michael Fiyak
875. 137 Ony Anglade
137 Matt Doyle
137 Peter Lapin
925. 136 David Pio
136 Scott Ripley
978. 135 Chris Hartman
1150. 132 Jeff Preston
1195. 131 Stuart Becktell
1248. 130 Steve Morris
1289. 129 Paul Chavez
129 Mika Hyytiainen
1321. 128 Rupert Berrington
1458. 124 Andrew Parente
124 Matt Phelps
1587. 120 Alex Hofstetter
120 Brian Sullivan
1617. 119 Brad Erdman
1647. 118 Tommy Mcwilliams
1669. 117 Sean Ford
1739. 113 James Alberts
1844. 105 David Ferguson
1930. 96 Christopher Mcguire
2035. 80 Ken March
2122. 66 Jim Rider
2225. 47 Ken Addison [/CODE]
I thought I did terrible, but I moved from 4th to 3rd! :banana:
-Matt
| AndyRoo | 04-25-2006 12:22 AM |
whoa...gary is 14th overall. keep it up!
- andrew
- andrew
| meebs | 04-25-2006 01:40 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8]:confused:
Did you watch F1 last year??? That very strategy has led to MANY wins.
Its a little more complicated that you make it appear to be.
What a dumb statement....[/QUOTE]
Wow - didn't know the anti-Ferrari fans could get so aggro... :lol:
Get out front, stay in front. That's pretty simple to understand isn't it? I don't want to spend a lot of time arguing common sense...but here is why I don't like them and have never liked them in my 13 years of watching F1, yes including last year:
a. risk in being smashed into
b. risk of having a crappy first set of tires and turning your 1 stop into a 2 stop with a HEAVY first stint.
c. risking that the other teams #2 may intentionaly hold you up.
d. traffic
Why add more greif to your day if you have a fast car? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Did you watch F1 last year??? That very strategy has led to MANY wins.
Its a little more complicated that you make it appear to be.
What a dumb statement....[/QUOTE]
Wow - didn't know the anti-Ferrari fans could get so aggro... :lol:
Get out front, stay in front. That's pretty simple to understand isn't it? I don't want to spend a lot of time arguing common sense...but here is why I don't like them and have never liked them in my 13 years of watching F1, yes including last year:
a. risk in being smashed into
b. risk of having a crappy first set of tires and turning your 1 stop into a 2 stop with a HEAVY first stint.
c. risking that the other teams #2 may intentionaly hold you up.
d. traffic
Why add more greif to your day if you have a fast car? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
| OnTheGas | 04-25-2006 04:05 AM |
Correction: McLaren Was Not Fuel Fat & They're Fast When Light
�
�
I was just looking at some charts showing fuel stops, and laptimes for Imola. I had said earlier that Montoya was fuel fat at the start, but I think I was wrong about that.
First a little math... San Marino is 62 laps.
62 divided by 3 = 20.6 (or 20 2/3) laps. So the 3 segments of nearly equal length will be 1 segment @ 20 laps, and 2 segments @ 21 laps. (A 2 stopper was the strategy used by everyone finishing in the points w/the exception of Button, who did a 3 stopper and finished 7th.) Each pitstop at Imola appears to cost a driver ~20 to 22 secs of laptime, btw.
Below we see when each of the top 5 finishing drivers took their first pit-stop. Remember that lap 20 is on the lean side, and lap 21 is on the fat side:
[CODE]Lap Driver
19 Massa
20 Schumacher
22 Raikkonen
23 Montoya
25 Alonso[/CODE]
So Michael was just a little lean, and Kimi was fat plus 1 lap (21 + 1), Montoya was fat plus 2, and Alonso was the heavy car of the front runners at plus 4 (21 + 4).
From that, I'd say that McLaren's strategy was not agressive regarding starting fat w/fuel... One McLaren @ 1 extra lap, and the other McLaren @ 2 extra laps. McLaren was conservative in comparison to other teams. The most agressive team of all the teams was Renault, as Fisichella was the last driver to make his first fuel stop on lap 29, (so plus 8!).
A couple of other things about Kimi. First, he did rip off a really nice lap of 1.25.0. Alonso had fast lap @ 24.5, then Schumacher's 24.6, and Kimi's 25.0 was the 3rd fastest 'driver's fast lap'. Montoya's fast lap was also 1:25.0, for fourth fastest.
Given that he was perhaps the 3rd fastest car on the circuit, why did Kimi finish 5th, instead of 3rd? First, here is what his boss, Ron Dennis, [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=215495&FS=F1]said afterwards, [/URL] [QUOTE]Kimi's race was badly influenced by a rare mistake in qualifying which cost him some grid positions and was further compounded by him not making a particularly good start.[/QUOTE] Wow! When Ron is frustrated with one of his drivers, he is not shy about it! :lol:
But perhaps another reason why Ron Dennis was not showing the love toward Kimi, was because Kimi ended up stuck behind slower cars for the first 42 laps of the race (Weber and Fisichella), where he could only turn 1:26's and 27's, while the leaders were running off turning 25's, and low 26's, and a few 24's for salt in Kimi's wounds. Ron Dennis would not have been smiling during those laps...
Kimi turned his first 25 second lap of the day on lap 40. He was following Weber at the time, and Weber had finally picked up his own pace to use up his tires before pitting on lap 42. Kimi had to pit also, but later, on lap 47. On lap 40, Kimi was the fastest man on the track when he ripped off a 1:25.6 in fairly clear air. 5 of the next 7 laps were 1:25's, and after Kimi pitted, he was of course clear of Weber, and again in clear air... Kimi then ripped off his fast lap of the day on his fresh tires, a 1:25.027 on lap 49. Unfortunately, within 2 laps he came upon a much, much slower Felipe Massa... Kimi latched onto Felipe's gearbox, turning 1:26's till the checkers.
So what did we learn? First, I think it is safe to say that McLaren was about 1/2 second off of the pace of Renault and Schumacher's Ferrari in clear air.
Second, 1 or 2 extra laps worth of fuel, was not an aggressive "fat" strategy. (REX8 pointed me in right direction.) :-)
First a little math... San Marino is 62 laps.
62 divided by 3 = 20.6 (or 20 2/3) laps. So the 3 segments of nearly equal length will be 1 segment @ 20 laps, and 2 segments @ 21 laps. (A 2 stopper was the strategy used by everyone finishing in the points w/the exception of Button, who did a 3 stopper and finished 7th.) Each pitstop at Imola appears to cost a driver ~20 to 22 secs of laptime, btw.
Below we see when each of the top 5 finishing drivers took their first pit-stop. Remember that lap 20 is on the lean side, and lap 21 is on the fat side:
[CODE]Lap Driver
19 Massa
20 Schumacher
22 Raikkonen
23 Montoya
25 Alonso[/CODE]
So Michael was just a little lean, and Kimi was fat plus 1 lap (21 + 1), Montoya was fat plus 2, and Alonso was the heavy car of the front runners at plus 4 (21 + 4).
From that, I'd say that McLaren's strategy was not agressive regarding starting fat w/fuel... One McLaren @ 1 extra lap, and the other McLaren @ 2 extra laps. McLaren was conservative in comparison to other teams. The most agressive team of all the teams was Renault, as Fisichella was the last driver to make his first fuel stop on lap 29, (so plus 8!).
A couple of other things about Kimi. First, he did rip off a really nice lap of 1.25.0. Alonso had fast lap @ 24.5, then Schumacher's 24.6, and Kimi's 25.0 was the 3rd fastest 'driver's fast lap'. Montoya's fast lap was also 1:25.0, for fourth fastest.
Given that he was perhaps the 3rd fastest car on the circuit, why did Kimi finish 5th, instead of 3rd? First, here is what his boss, Ron Dennis, [URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=215495&FS=F1]said afterwards, [/URL] [QUOTE]Kimi's race was badly influenced by a rare mistake in qualifying which cost him some grid positions and was further compounded by him not making a particularly good start.[/QUOTE] Wow! When Ron is frustrated with one of his drivers, he is not shy about it! :lol:
But perhaps another reason why Ron Dennis was not showing the love toward Kimi, was because Kimi ended up stuck behind slower cars for the first 42 laps of the race (Weber and Fisichella), where he could only turn 1:26's and 27's, while the leaders were running off turning 25's, and low 26's, and a few 24's for salt in Kimi's wounds. Ron Dennis would not have been smiling during those laps...
Kimi turned his first 25 second lap of the day on lap 40. He was following Weber at the time, and Weber had finally picked up his own pace to use up his tires before pitting on lap 42. Kimi had to pit also, but later, on lap 47. On lap 40, Kimi was the fastest man on the track when he ripped off a 1:25.6 in fairly clear air. 5 of the next 7 laps were 1:25's, and after Kimi pitted, he was of course clear of Weber, and again in clear air... Kimi then ripped off his fast lap of the day on his fresh tires, a 1:25.027 on lap 49. Unfortunately, within 2 laps he came upon a much, much slower Felipe Massa... Kimi latched onto Felipe's gearbox, turning 1:26's till the checkers.
So what did we learn? First, I think it is safe to say that McLaren was about 1/2 second off of the pace of Renault and Schumacher's Ferrari in clear air.
Second, 1 or 2 extra laps worth of fuel, was not an aggressive "fat" strategy. (REX8 pointed me in right direction.) :-)
| StuBeck | 04-25-2006 08:24 AM |
Its WEBBER!!!
But good analyssi otherwise :)
But good analyssi otherwise :)
| nhluhr | 04-25-2006 08:30 AM |
I just got a chance to watch my recorded broadcast of CBS's San Marino coverage.
Great race - it was quite evident that MS was purposely holding up FA in an attempt to force his hand (and also perhaps to force some real dogfighting and reap payback from last year).
Although, Derek Daly's commentating was far less than appreciated. I HATE this bastard. He obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and he clearly can't keep things straight. I don't know how many times he said something that was either wrong, stupid, or completely off-base.
"fernando is keeping up, but not to worry, he has a heavy fuel load" - yeah that means he is more dangerous if he can keep up now and refuel later genius
"they love the noise of racing . . . in america" - you mean in italy you dumb****? do you even know where this race took place??
"michael schumacher is in big trouble" - uh, no... it's called strategy and sporting... he was turning 24's until his pitstop and he is totally aware of the fuel situation, thus he's negating it - not to mention having some fun with the race.
"the tifosi are going [i]crazy[/i]" - you mean those two guys there with the flag and the 30 other people just sitting there patiently watching?
"this track is boring and brutal" - you're right... not all tracks can consist of only left turns... imola is a challenging masterpiece and a classic, you fruitcake.
Derek Daly: please dismiss yourself.
Great race - it was quite evident that MS was purposely holding up FA in an attempt to force his hand (and also perhaps to force some real dogfighting and reap payback from last year).
Although, Derek Daly's commentating was far less than appreciated. I HATE this bastard. He obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and he clearly can't keep things straight. I don't know how many times he said something that was either wrong, stupid, or completely off-base.
"fernando is keeping up, but not to worry, he has a heavy fuel load" - yeah that means he is more dangerous if he can keep up now and refuel later genius
"they love the noise of racing . . . in america" - you mean in italy you dumb****? do you even know where this race took place??
"michael schumacher is in big trouble" - uh, no... it's called strategy and sporting... he was turning 24's until his pitstop and he is totally aware of the fuel situation, thus he's negating it - not to mention having some fun with the race.
"the tifosi are going [i]crazy[/i]" - you mean those two guys there with the flag and the 30 other people just sitting there patiently watching?
"this track is boring and brutal" - you're right... not all tracks can consist of only left turns... imola is a challenging masterpiece and a classic, you fruitcake.
Derek Daly: please dismiss yourself.
| wvallwheeldrive | 04-25-2006 09:34 AM |
[QUOTE=nhluhr]I just got a chance to watch my recorded broadcast of CBS's San Marino coverage.
Great race - it was quite evident that MS was purposely holding up FA in an attempt to force his hand (and also perhaps to force some real dogfighting and reap payback from last year).
Although, Derek Daly's commentating was far less than appreciated. I HATE this bastard. He obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and he clearly can't keep things straight. I don't know how many times he said something that was either wrong, stupid, or completely off-base.
"fernando is keeping up, but not to worry, he has a heavy fuel load" - yeah that means he is more dangerous if he can keep up now and refuel later genius
"they love the noise of racing . . . in america" - you mean in italy you dumb****? do you even know where this race took place??
"michael schumacher is in big trouble" - uh, no... it's called strategy and sporting... he was turning 24's until his pitstop and he is totally aware of the fuel situation, thus he's negating it - not to mention having some fun with the race.
"the tifosi are going [i]crazy[/i]" - you mean those two guys there with the flag and the 30 other people just sitting there patiently watching?
"this track is boring and brutal" - you're right... not all tracks can consist of only left turns... imola is a challenging masterpiece and a [B]classic[/B], you fruitcake.
Derek Daly: please dismiss yourself.[/QUOTE]
Classicly boring
Great race - it was quite evident that MS was purposely holding up FA in an attempt to force his hand (and also perhaps to force some real dogfighting and reap payback from last year).
Although, Derek Daly's commentating was far less than appreciated. I HATE this bastard. He obviously doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and he clearly can't keep things straight. I don't know how many times he said something that was either wrong, stupid, or completely off-base.
"fernando is keeping up, but not to worry, he has a heavy fuel load" - yeah that means he is more dangerous if he can keep up now and refuel later genius
"they love the noise of racing . . . in america" - you mean in italy you dumb****? do you even know where this race took place??
"michael schumacher is in big trouble" - uh, no... it's called strategy and sporting... he was turning 24's until his pitstop and he is totally aware of the fuel situation, thus he's negating it - not to mention having some fun with the race.
"the tifosi are going [i]crazy[/i]" - you mean those two guys there with the flag and the 30 other people just sitting there patiently watching?
"this track is boring and brutal" - you're right... not all tracks can consist of only left turns... imola is a challenging masterpiece and a [B]classic[/B], you fruitcake.
Derek Daly: please dismiss yourself.[/QUOTE]
Classicly boring
| Ferg | 04-25-2006 11:21 AM |
No more picking Rosberg for me..although he'd be a good pick for a podium at the Nurburgring since Williams have always gone well there.
More on the revamp of Imola for next year.
[QUOTE][B]Imola hopes changes will improve racing[/B]
By Michele Lostia Tuesday, April 25th 2006, 14:22 GMT
The president of the company that manages the Imola circuit is hopeful a planned revamp will help improve overtaking at the Italian circuit.
Organisers are planning a major revamp of the old Italian track, in a 10 million euro project supported by the Italian government.
The plans include changes to the layout of the circuit, and Federico Bendinelli, president of Sagis, is confident they will allow for more overtaking.
"I hope Herman Tilke's project, which includes a long straight between Rivazza and Tamburello, can improve the situation," Bendinelli told Gazzetta dello Sport, "but I would like to restore the Villeneuve turn to what it once was, even though this would need an increase of runoff areas at Tosa.
"I can only promise that we'll discuss it with Tilke and with the FIA technical delegate, Charlie Withing, to find a solution."
Bandinelli's comments come following a San Marino Grand Prix in which Fernando Alonso was unable to pass Michael Schumacher for the lead despite having a quicker car.[/QUOTE]
More on the revamp of Imola for next year.
[QUOTE][B]Imola hopes changes will improve racing[/B]
By Michele Lostia Tuesday, April 25th 2006, 14:22 GMT
The president of the company that manages the Imola circuit is hopeful a planned revamp will help improve overtaking at the Italian circuit.
Organisers are planning a major revamp of the old Italian track, in a 10 million euro project supported by the Italian government.
The plans include changes to the layout of the circuit, and Federico Bendinelli, president of Sagis, is confident they will allow for more overtaking.
"I hope Herman Tilke's project, which includes a long straight between Rivazza and Tamburello, can improve the situation," Bendinelli told Gazzetta dello Sport, "but I would like to restore the Villeneuve turn to what it once was, even though this would need an increase of runoff areas at Tosa.
"I can only promise that we'll discuss it with Tilke and with the FIA technical delegate, Charlie Withing, to find a solution."
Bandinelli's comments come following a San Marino Grand Prix in which Fernando Alonso was unable to pass Michael Schumacher for the lead despite having a quicker car.[/QUOTE]
| REX8 | 04-25-2006 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE=meebs]Wow - didn't know the anti-Ferrari fans could get so aggro... :lol:
Get out front, stay in front. That's pretty simple to understand isn't it? I don't want to spend a lot of time arguing common sense...but here is why I don't like them and have never liked them in my 13 years of watching F1, yes including last year:
a. risk in being smashed into
b. risk of having a crappy first set of tires and turning your 1 stop into a 2 stop with a HEAVY first stint.
c. risking that the other teams #2 may intentionaly hold you up.
d. traffic
Why add more greif to your day if you have a fast car? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:
Get out front, stay in front. That's pretty simple to understand isn't it? I don't want to spend a lot of time arguing common sense...but here is why I don't like them and have never liked them in my 13 years of watching F1, yes including last year:
a. risk in being smashed into
b. risk of having a crappy first set of tires and turning your 1 stop into a 2 stop with a HEAVY first stint.
c. risking that the other teams #2 may intentionaly hold you up.
d. traffic
Why add more greif to your day if you have a fast car? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:
| OnTheGas | 04-25-2006 11:59 AM |
Returning A Once Great Circuit From Its Emasculation
�
�
[QUOTE=Ferg]...More on the revamp of Imola for next year.[/QUOTE]
Quoting the President of the company managing the Imola track:[QUOTE]I hope Herman Tilke's project, which includes a long straight between Rivazza and Tamburello, can improve the situation," Bendinelli told Gazzetta dello Sport, "but I would like to restore the Villeneuve turn to what it once was, even though this would need an increase of runoff areas at Tosa.[/QUOTE] Fantastic news! That is exactly what I believe would work best... Before Imola was emasculated w/chicanes, racers would dogfight from Tamburello (was a high speed left sweeper) down thru Villeneuve (was a high speed right sweeper) and pass for position braking into, or accelerating out of, Tosa.
I would hope that Tamburello can be made into a turn where racers can battle going into it, but also battle coming out of it going down to Villeneuve. That would probably mean changing Tamburello's left, right, left chicane, and into a hard left w/room for two drivers to run side by side toward Villeneuve together.
Daly was correct in saying that the current lay-out of Imola is crap! These pending changes have been badly needed for a decade...
Quoting the President of the company managing the Imola track:[QUOTE]I hope Herman Tilke's project, which includes a long straight between Rivazza and Tamburello, can improve the situation," Bendinelli told Gazzetta dello Sport, "but I would like to restore the Villeneuve turn to what it once was, even though this would need an increase of runoff areas at Tosa.[/QUOTE] Fantastic news! That is exactly what I believe would work best... Before Imola was emasculated w/chicanes, racers would dogfight from Tamburello (was a high speed left sweeper) down thru Villeneuve (was a high speed right sweeper) and pass for position braking into, or accelerating out of, Tosa.
I would hope that Tamburello can be made into a turn where racers can battle going into it, but also battle coming out of it going down to Villeneuve. That would probably mean changing Tamburello's left, right, left chicane, and into a hard left w/room for two drivers to run side by side toward Villeneuve together.
Daly was correct in saying that the current lay-out of Imola is crap! These pending changes have been badly needed for a decade...
| bemani | 04-25-2006 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas]
Daly was correct in saying that the current lay-out of Imola is crap! These pending changes have been badly needed for a decade...[/QUOTE]
His reason wasn't very convincing though ... "I wasn't any good at this track ... so it is crap!" :lol:
Daly was correct in saying that the current lay-out of Imola is crap! These pending changes have been badly needed for a decade...[/QUOTE]
His reason wasn't very convincing though ... "I wasn't any good at this track ... so it is crap!" :lol:
| KAX | 04-25-2006 05:05 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]:rolleyes:
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:[/QUOTE]
ok,tell me whats better.. running .5 seconds slower if every single lap is their fastest (which it never is) or running 2 or 3 seconds slower caught behind drivers much slower then the leaders? Mclaren would not have ran a 3 stop race if they ran the same load as Ferrari. If they did get to qualify up front (ahead os schumacher on the same load and ahead of renault on a heavier load) they could have easily won the race. Its impossible to pass on that track so being out front is your only shot, hence ferraris win, and no bs about mclaren cant do it even though ferrari can, the cars arent all that dissimilar and Kimi is an excellent driver. Its just pointless to get yourself caught behind slow cars when you know your faster, but you know you cant pass them on track. And you can only make up at most 2 positions on a pit, and only 2 pits. So explain to me how 4 positions can get you from 9th to 1st?
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:[/QUOTE]
ok,tell me whats better.. running .5 seconds slower if every single lap is their fastest (which it never is) or running 2 or 3 seconds slower caught behind drivers much slower then the leaders? Mclaren would not have ran a 3 stop race if they ran the same load as Ferrari. If they did get to qualify up front (ahead os schumacher on the same load and ahead of renault on a heavier load) they could have easily won the race. Its impossible to pass on that track so being out front is your only shot, hence ferraris win, and no bs about mclaren cant do it even though ferrari can, the cars arent all that dissimilar and Kimi is an excellent driver. Its just pointless to get yourself caught behind slow cars when you know your faster, but you know you cant pass them on track. And you can only make up at most 2 positions on a pit, and only 2 pits. So explain to me how 4 positions can get you from 9th to 1st?
| REX8 | 04-25-2006 05:17 PM |
You just can't make an argument that they ran the wrong strategy when they DIDN'T have a competitive car (for the win that is). There's no way you could know how it would have turned out.
So if Kimi would have finished 4th, you'd be happy? Cause he certainly wasn't going to get any higher than that in the car he was in.
THEY WERE NOT GETTING HELD UP 2-3 SECONDS A LAP BY THE "SLOWER" GUYS. [B]There were times Webber, etc. was PULLING away from him. If anyhting, the 4-7th place cars were the McLarens equals on that track[/B].
Face it. Kimi didn't run well early in the race. It cost him 4th place. It as simple as that. When he finally did challenge, it was too little too late.
Speaking of cars running light to qualify up front....HONDA anyone???(see what happens when you have a slower car AND 3 stops!)
So if Kimi would have finished 4th, you'd be happy? Cause he certainly wasn't going to get any higher than that in the car he was in.
THEY WERE NOT GETTING HELD UP 2-3 SECONDS A LAP BY THE "SLOWER" GUYS. [B]There were times Webber, etc. was PULLING away from him. If anyhting, the 4-7th place cars were the McLarens equals on that track[/B].
Face it. Kimi didn't run well early in the race. It cost him 4th place. It as simple as that. When he finally did challenge, it was too little too late.
Speaking of cars running light to qualify up front....HONDA anyone???(see what happens when you have a slower car AND 3 stops!)
| REX8 | 04-25-2006 05:32 PM |
I agree that the track layout has a lot to do with strategy...but McLaren didn't have the speed you think they had...period.
Kimi runs so-so for once in his life, Ron Dennis said he was slow, and you are searching to give him an excuse...
its pretty simple: They were about .5 seconds a lap slower than the front runners. Thats about 30 seconds over the course of the race. Without "traffic" (that wasn't even really holding them up) HOW IN THE HECK COULD THEY HAVE FINISHED ANY HIGHER?
[B]I really fail to see how if Kimi would have qualified 4th or 5th, and went on a three stopper the end result of the race would have changed AT ALL. [/B]
Kimi runs so-so for once in his life, Ron Dennis said he was slow, and you are searching to give him an excuse...
its pretty simple: They were about .5 seconds a lap slower than the front runners. Thats about 30 seconds over the course of the race. Without "traffic" (that wasn't even really holding them up) HOW IN THE HECK COULD THEY HAVE FINISHED ANY HIGHER?
[B]I really fail to see how if Kimi would have qualified 4th or 5th, and went on a three stopper the end result of the race would have changed AT ALL. [/B]
| KAX | 04-25-2006 06:09 PM |
if they ran the same load as Ferrari, there was a possibility they could have qaulified 1st, and still been on a 2 stopper. No one said we wanted them as light as the honda to pull a 3 stopper, that doesnt work. For the second qualifying section Kimi was about as fast and Michael (a little off but who knows what he would have run in 3rd part). Given that, he wouldnt have had to pass anyone and even though he was 0.5 seconds slower, MS and Alonso would never have been able to pass, just like Alonso could not pass MS.
McLarens speed was not as slow as you think. A few posts ago someone mentioned Kimi running 1:26 and 1:27s while behind slower cars, but for the 2 opportunities he had fresh air, he was running 1:25s, same as ferrari and renault (while alonso was behind MS). That pretty much means, had he qualified 1st on the same load as MS, he would have been in the same position MS was... and what was that? Top of the podium.
McLarens speed was not as slow as you think. A few posts ago someone mentioned Kimi running 1:26 and 1:27s while behind slower cars, but for the 2 opportunities he had fresh air, he was running 1:25s, same as ferrari and renault (while alonso was behind MS). That pretty much means, had he qualified 1st on the same load as MS, he would have been in the same position MS was... and what was that? Top of the podium.
| Ferg | 04-25-2006 06:46 PM |
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please.
Can't we all just agree that McLaren dropped the ball at Imola. Slow car (fast cars don't get passed by Webbo...who's notoriously crap at passing) and a mediocre strategy at best. At least JPM made the most out of it.
Can't we all just agree that McLaren dropped the ball at Imola. Slow car (fast cars don't get passed by Webbo...who's notoriously crap at passing) and a mediocre strategy at best. At least JPM made the most out of it.
| Ferg | 04-25-2006 07:23 PM |
Post Imola story time.
[QUOTE][I]2006 San Marino GP: facts & Stats
Sean Kelly analyses the results and the stats from the San Marino Grand Prix, and he offers perspective on the performance of the drivers and teams
By Sean Kelly
autosport.com writer[/I]
Discounting the six-car shambles that was the 2005 US Grand Prix, Michael Schumacher's 85th career win marked his first "real" triumph since the Japanese Grand Prix of 2004 - the longest drought of his Formula One career.
The seven-time world champion successfully fended off the challenge of Fernando Alonso - a mirror image of 12 months ago, when Schumacher, as reigning champion, was all over the back of Alonso, the man who would be king.
Although the Spaniard only finished second, the championship leader can still be content with his afternoon's work, as he further extended his streak of consecutive podium finishes to 10. Only one man has ever had a streak reaching into double figures... the ubiquitous Schumacher, who appeared on the podium for 19 straight Grands Prix in 2001-02.
As if the German didn't already hold enough records, Imola 2006 proved to be the weekend in which he finally overhauled the late Ayrton Senna's holy grail of 65 career pole positions.
The symmetry regarding the two drivers is almost eerie. Schumacher has surpassed the record at the circuit on which Senna took his final pole, one day before the accident that claimed his life 12 years ago.
Schumacher started alongside the Brazilian on the front row that day, and began his long haul to Senna's total by taking his maiden pole at Monaco, two weeks later. There was even a Safety Car period on the first lap in 1994, which had never happened in any other San Marino GP, until Sunday.
His 7th win at Imola matches his existing figures at Montreal and Magny-Cours as the most victories for one driver at a single circuit. It also gives Ferrari their 8th San Marino GP win, tying Williams's record.
Schumacher further extended his own record for most races led to a mammoth 130, and unlike Senna, who broke Jim Clark's pole mark at Phoenix in 1989, Schumacher converted his record-breaking pole into a victory.
Bridgestone have been a part of Schumacher's last 58 Grand Prix victories, and by taking their 96th win overall, it means that once again, the two incumbent tyire suppliers are tied on the all-time win list.
Looking down the field, Juan Pablo Montoya scored his first podium since winning at Interlagos last September. He narrowly beat Felipe Massa to third, but the Brazilian can still look forward to his 25th birthday on Tuesday in the knowledge that he equalled his best ever F1 finish and ensured Ferrari took 15 points from Imola - doubling their season total to date.
Kimi Raikkonen was a rather anonymous fifth, having masked his true pace by running heavy in the final period in qualifying - his best time in period 2, the third quickest overall in the session, was 0.968 seconds slower than his period 3 effort.
Mark Webber was slower still, a massive 1.077 seconds off what he managed in period 2, but the more conservative strategy paid dividends, as he brought Williams their first finish of any description since back in Bahrain, with his run to sixth.
Toward the end, Webber was fending off the attentions of the much-delayed Jenson Button. For the seventh consecutive race, the Englishman finished lower than where he started, and Honda's pitstop blunder meant their decision to sacrifice Button's points finish in Australia to avoid a 10-position grid penalty was largely wasted.
The minor consolation is extending the BAR/Honda amalgam's streak of consecutive points finishes to 13, the same as Mclaren.
Rubens Barrichello also had a Button-esque weekend, ending in tenth, having started third - his best qualifying since taking pole for the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix.
Also like Button, the Brazilian extended a rather trivial streak - it's now been more than a year since he failed to finish a race, although he was point-less in 11 of those 19 starts.
Taking the final point might not be much to write home about, but Giancarlo Fisichella has at least ended a point-less streak at Imola that stretched back into the last decade. Next year he'll have to work on his qualifying performance - it's nine years and counting since he started on any of the top nine grid positions of this track.
BMW-Sauber may have hoped for more from a race in which Jacques Villeneuve finished fourth in 2006 - this year they trailed in 12th and 13th, although Villeneuve will at least have bragging rights over Nick Heidfeld, having beaten him and finished on the lead lap.
It's a similar story at Toro Rosso, where Tonio Liuzzi outpaced a lackluster Scott Speed, despite a spin at Variante Alta. Red Bull would kill for the reliability of their Toro Rosso cousins right now. Of the last 6 "car" starts they've made (three races, including this weekend), they've retired 5 times - only Coulthard's point in Melbourne bucks the trend.
With his usual metronomic efficiency, Tiago Monteiro finished for Midland, albeit as the last classified runner. He did at least avoid being passed by both Super Aguris at the start (which had happened at all the other races so far), and for the first time he outqualified his 2006 teammate, leaving Massa, Barrichello and Yuji Ide as the only drivers yet to achieve such a feat.
Monteiro was way off the pace in the final section of the race, struggling to break the one minute and 30 seconds barrier, while the Toro Rossos were hovering around the 1:26 range, and both Midland and Aguri are still well adrift on pace compared to their rivals.
The qualifying gap between 18th-placed Scott Speed and 19th-placed Monteiro was 1.4 seconds, a bigger gap than the one separating the first nine on the grid.
By finishing the opening three races, Takuma Sato had given Super Aguri reason for optimism so far, but the double retirement of both him and teammate Ide gave the team an unwanted reality check.
With Sato gaining eight positions at the start in Melbourne, Aguri's unofficial strategy seems to be to make up as many positions as possible on lap 1, when their car deficiency is at its least apparent.
The evidence backs it up, as they are always among the first 10 drivers to pit, showing that, among other things, they expect a good start as a consequence of running light.
At this race, Sato moved up one position on the first lap, but that was merely at the expense of a barrel-rolling Christijan Albers. The irony was that teammate Ide was the man trying to pass the Midland driver, aware that it was likely to be his only chance at doing so.
Speaking of first lap statistics, it is a lap on which we have seen retirements in all four races in 2006 - but Albers now has the unenviable record of having been among these first lap retirements on two occasions.
Perhaps the most frustrated man leaving Imola was Jarno Trulli, who has now gone eight races without scoring a point.
This weekend the Italian became the 25th driver to start 150 Grands Prix, but his day's work at Imola was done by lap 5. Combined with his lap 1 retirement in Melbourne, Trulli's total racing mileage in the month of April amounts to just 24 kms.[/QUOTE]
:D
[QUOTE][I]2006 San Marino GP: facts & Stats
Sean Kelly analyses the results and the stats from the San Marino Grand Prix, and he offers perspective on the performance of the drivers and teams
By Sean Kelly
autosport.com writer[/I]
Discounting the six-car shambles that was the 2005 US Grand Prix, Michael Schumacher's 85th career win marked his first "real" triumph since the Japanese Grand Prix of 2004 - the longest drought of his Formula One career.
The seven-time world champion successfully fended off the challenge of Fernando Alonso - a mirror image of 12 months ago, when Schumacher, as reigning champion, was all over the back of Alonso, the man who would be king.
Although the Spaniard only finished second, the championship leader can still be content with his afternoon's work, as he further extended his streak of consecutive podium finishes to 10. Only one man has ever had a streak reaching into double figures... the ubiquitous Schumacher, who appeared on the podium for 19 straight Grands Prix in 2001-02.
As if the German didn't already hold enough records, Imola 2006 proved to be the weekend in which he finally overhauled the late Ayrton Senna's holy grail of 65 career pole positions.
The symmetry regarding the two drivers is almost eerie. Schumacher has surpassed the record at the circuit on which Senna took his final pole, one day before the accident that claimed his life 12 years ago.
Schumacher started alongside the Brazilian on the front row that day, and began his long haul to Senna's total by taking his maiden pole at Monaco, two weeks later. There was even a Safety Car period on the first lap in 1994, which had never happened in any other San Marino GP, until Sunday.
His 7th win at Imola matches his existing figures at Montreal and Magny-Cours as the most victories for one driver at a single circuit. It also gives Ferrari their 8th San Marino GP win, tying Williams's record.
Schumacher further extended his own record for most races led to a mammoth 130, and unlike Senna, who broke Jim Clark's pole mark at Phoenix in 1989, Schumacher converted his record-breaking pole into a victory.
Bridgestone have been a part of Schumacher's last 58 Grand Prix victories, and by taking their 96th win overall, it means that once again, the two incumbent tyire suppliers are tied on the all-time win list.
Looking down the field, Juan Pablo Montoya scored his first podium since winning at Interlagos last September. He narrowly beat Felipe Massa to third, but the Brazilian can still look forward to his 25th birthday on Tuesday in the knowledge that he equalled his best ever F1 finish and ensured Ferrari took 15 points from Imola - doubling their season total to date.
Kimi Raikkonen was a rather anonymous fifth, having masked his true pace by running heavy in the final period in qualifying - his best time in period 2, the third quickest overall in the session, was 0.968 seconds slower than his period 3 effort.
Mark Webber was slower still, a massive 1.077 seconds off what he managed in period 2, but the more conservative strategy paid dividends, as he brought Williams their first finish of any description since back in Bahrain, with his run to sixth.
Toward the end, Webber was fending off the attentions of the much-delayed Jenson Button. For the seventh consecutive race, the Englishman finished lower than where he started, and Honda's pitstop blunder meant their decision to sacrifice Button's points finish in Australia to avoid a 10-position grid penalty was largely wasted.
The minor consolation is extending the BAR/Honda amalgam's streak of consecutive points finishes to 13, the same as Mclaren.
Rubens Barrichello also had a Button-esque weekend, ending in tenth, having started third - his best qualifying since taking pole for the 2004 Brazilian Grand Prix.
Also like Button, the Brazilian extended a rather trivial streak - it's now been more than a year since he failed to finish a race, although he was point-less in 11 of those 19 starts.
Taking the final point might not be much to write home about, but Giancarlo Fisichella has at least ended a point-less streak at Imola that stretched back into the last decade. Next year he'll have to work on his qualifying performance - it's nine years and counting since he started on any of the top nine grid positions of this track.
BMW-Sauber may have hoped for more from a race in which Jacques Villeneuve finished fourth in 2006 - this year they trailed in 12th and 13th, although Villeneuve will at least have bragging rights over Nick Heidfeld, having beaten him and finished on the lead lap.
It's a similar story at Toro Rosso, where Tonio Liuzzi outpaced a lackluster Scott Speed, despite a spin at Variante Alta. Red Bull would kill for the reliability of their Toro Rosso cousins right now. Of the last 6 "car" starts they've made (three races, including this weekend), they've retired 5 times - only Coulthard's point in Melbourne bucks the trend.
With his usual metronomic efficiency, Tiago Monteiro finished for Midland, albeit as the last classified runner. He did at least avoid being passed by both Super Aguris at the start (which had happened at all the other races so far), and for the first time he outqualified his 2006 teammate, leaving Massa, Barrichello and Yuji Ide as the only drivers yet to achieve such a feat.
Monteiro was way off the pace in the final section of the race, struggling to break the one minute and 30 seconds barrier, while the Toro Rossos were hovering around the 1:26 range, and both Midland and Aguri are still well adrift on pace compared to their rivals.
The qualifying gap between 18th-placed Scott Speed and 19th-placed Monteiro was 1.4 seconds, a bigger gap than the one separating the first nine on the grid.
By finishing the opening three races, Takuma Sato had given Super Aguri reason for optimism so far, but the double retirement of both him and teammate Ide gave the team an unwanted reality check.
With Sato gaining eight positions at the start in Melbourne, Aguri's unofficial strategy seems to be to make up as many positions as possible on lap 1, when their car deficiency is at its least apparent.
The evidence backs it up, as they are always among the first 10 drivers to pit, showing that, among other things, they expect a good start as a consequence of running light.
At this race, Sato moved up one position on the first lap, but that was merely at the expense of a barrel-rolling Christijan Albers. The irony was that teammate Ide was the man trying to pass the Midland driver, aware that it was likely to be his only chance at doing so.
Speaking of first lap statistics, it is a lap on which we have seen retirements in all four races in 2006 - but Albers now has the unenviable record of having been among these first lap retirements on two occasions.
Perhaps the most frustrated man leaving Imola was Jarno Trulli, who has now gone eight races without scoring a point.
This weekend the Italian became the 25th driver to start 150 Grands Prix, but his day's work at Imola was done by lap 5. Combined with his lap 1 retirement in Melbourne, Trulli's total racing mileage in the month of April amounts to just 24 kms.[/QUOTE]
:D
| meebs | 04-25-2006 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]:rolleyes:
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:[/QUOTE]
We will just have to agree to disagree.
I'll just sum it up as best as I can without going overboard on hypotheticals...
We can say that it's a given that McLaren are on average *as fast as* Ferrari and Renault.
When would you judge that you are .5 off the pace, the last practice?
If you are planning on losing 1 sec per 2 laps consistantly in outright speed, the penalty you pay for being behind midpackers fighting for positions and taking the risks involved on such a narrow track is worse than qualifying "best of the rest" at 2 stop weight.
I don't see where I'm going wrong there, and I reckon we'll see less and less of the 1 stopper unless (and here is a big exception) you can qualify [b]out front[/b] on 1 stop weight. :)
No, actually I'm thrilled Michael won. I am a Ferrari fan. They drove the PERFECT race for THEIR car. They couldn't have done it any better. But its just plain stupid to say that the strategy that worked for Ferrari is going to work for the other cars on track.
I cannot believe that you would make a general statement like: Because it worked for Ferrari, it works for everyone(??? :huh: )...have you been watching the same sport as the rest of us for all these years. Its very simple, somtimes light is good, sometimes light is bad....it depends on the car/track/drivers/ TONS of factors.
You're missing the point... McLaren DIDN'T HAVE A FAST CAR. They were .5 seconds a lap back running THEIR BEST. THEIR ONLY CHOICE WAS TO GO HEAVY ON FUEL TO TRY AND MAKE UP FOR THEIR LACK OF PACE.
^^^These are basic F1 strategies here....
CN: So let me get this straight...this is your theory:
McLaren, knowing they were .5 seconds back (light fuel to light fuel) per lap in outright speed, should have went with a 3 stop race? I.E. knowing they were going to be slower, and make the same number of stops as the competition? Thats your plan... :huh: You MUST be kidding....
Great idea, then they could have lost by 30 seconds instead of 15!
:rolleyes:
Again, how many results would you like us to show you where the heavy fuel load won drivers the race? Come on, how many... :lol:[/QUOTE]
We will just have to agree to disagree.
I'll just sum it up as best as I can without going overboard on hypotheticals...
We can say that it's a given that McLaren are on average *as fast as* Ferrari and Renault.
When would you judge that you are .5 off the pace, the last practice?
If you are planning on losing 1 sec per 2 laps consistantly in outright speed, the penalty you pay for being behind midpackers fighting for positions and taking the risks involved on such a narrow track is worse than qualifying "best of the rest" at 2 stop weight.
I don't see where I'm going wrong there, and I reckon we'll see less and less of the 1 stopper unless (and here is a big exception) you can qualify [b]out front[/b] on 1 stop weight. :)
Không có nhận xét nào:
Đăng nhận xét